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  1. #71

    Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    Posted on Sat, Mar. 18, 2006

    [size=18px]Hutchinson deal hits snag[/size]

    Clause that ensures he would be team's highest-paid offensive lineman will be challenged

    BY SEAN JENSEN
    Pioneer Press


    The NFL and the NFL Players Association are at it again.

    This time, the Vikings are at the center of their disagreement, with the sides split on the legality of the offer sheet that all-pro guard Steve Hutchinson signed last Sunday.

    "The league is challenging the offer sheet," said Richard Berthelsen, the general counsel for the NFL Players Association. "But there's nothing in the (collective bargaining agreement) that prohibits this from happening."

    An NFL spokesman confirmed Monday's hearing to review the terms of the Vikings' offer sheet "to determine if they were in compliance with the CBA."

    Under the terms of the newly ratified collective bargaining agreement, the Seahawks and the NFL contend that a clause the Vikings included in the deal is not a "principle term."

    Hutchinson signed a seven-year, $49 million offer sheet with the Vikings that included $16 million in guarantees, as well as a clause that ensures he is the highest-paid offensive lineman on his team.

    The latter term is a given in Minnesota but not in Seattle, where six-time Pro Bowl left tackle Walter Jones signed a seven-year, $54.5 million deal last year that included $20 million in guarantees.

    Berthelsen said the team with the option to match has to agree to the "principle terms" of the deal. The sticking point is what is interpreted as such.

    "One are the monetary terms, like bonuses and salaries," said Berthelsen, who will represent Hutchinson. "The other are non-monetary, things like guarantees and no-cut clauses. This, we regard, as a guarantee clause (the Seahawks) have to match."

    Because the Seahawks couldn't accommodate that clause, they would have to fully guarantee Hutchinson's $49 million contract. In the NFL, where guaranteed contracts are the exception rather than the rule, that would be impossible for the Seahawks to accept. The current monetary record for an NFL guarantee is $37 million, for Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick.

    A special master will rule on whether the clause is a principle term Monday morning in Philadelphia, and the Seahawks would have to decide whether to match the offer sheet later in the day.

    So far, the NFL and the Seahawks have some momentum because a special master will hear the case instead of an arbiter. That could be significant because, unlike with an arbiter, a special master's decisions cannot be appealed.

    The NFLPA opted not to argue against the NFL's insistence that this case fell under the special master's jurisdiction.

    But if the NFL and the Seahawks lose, they would need to apply to a court for a stay, which could extend the determination of this drama.

    The Vikings declined comment.

    Berthelsen said there is a precedent for this case. In 1993, in the first year of unrestricted free agency, the Indianapolis Colts signed offensive tackle Will Wolford, Buffalo's transition player, to an offer sheet that included a guarantee that he would be the team's highest-paid offensive player.

    "It happened that in Indianapolis, the offer would have made him the highest-paid," Berthelsen said. But if the Bills matched, he would have had to make more because of (quarterback) Jim Kelly. The Bills argued that the clause violated the CBA, but an arbiter ruled against them. The Bills did not match the offer sheet, and Wolford signed with the Colts.


    After that case, the NFL and the NFLPA agreed that the monetary terms had to be the same, Berthelsen said.

    "That would not apply in this case, because the monetary terms are the same," Berthelsen said. "This is not a case where the money is different, so we say that it should have the same result as Wofford."


    Meanwhile, contrary to other reports, Berthelsen said there was not an extension on the decision. He said there is a provision in the CBA that if an offer sheet is signed on a Sunday, the deadline is pushed to Monday.

    Sean Jensen can be reached at sjensen@pioneerpress.com.

    Hutchinson deal hits snag

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

  2. #72
    Prophet Guest

    Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    'nother version from KFFL.

    Seahawks | Hutchinson case will be heard Monday
    Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:07:27 -0800

    Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports the Seattle Seahawks will have their arbitration hearing heard on Monday, March 20, at 7:30 a.m. ET. The hearing is over the offer sheet Seahawks transition free agent OT Steve Hutchinson signed with the Minnesota Vikings. The Seahawks and the NFL claim a clause in the contract is not a "principal term", which would allow the Seahawks to match the Vikings offer without guaranteeing the entire contract.

  3. #73

    Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    Wonder if seattle feels like they are going to lose.


    Seahawks | Team reportedly interested in Law
    Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:43:30 -0800

    Jim Wyatt, of the Tennessean, reports the Seattle Seahawks are reportedly interested in free agent CB Ty Law (Jets). Law wouldn't come cheap. He's believed to be seeking a $10 million signing bonus.


    Seahawks | Team agrees to terms with R. Davis
    Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:54:35 -0800

    ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Seattle Seahawks have agreed to terms with free agent DT Russell Davis (Cardinals). The contract is for three years, but financial details were not yet available.

    After reading that article singer posted and seeing these on kffl I am thinking we will end up with Hutch.

  4. Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    hopefully we get him on monday`

  5. #75

    Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    "PackSux!" wrote:
    Wonder if seattle feels like they are going to lose.


    Seahawks | Team reportedly interested in Law
    Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:43:30 -0800

    Jim Wyatt, of the Tennessean, reports the Seattle Seahawks are reportedly interested in free agent CB Ty Law (Jets). Law wouldn't come cheap. He's believed to be seeking a $10 million signing bonus.


    Seahawks | Team agrees to terms with R. Davis
    Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:54:35 -0800

    ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Seattle Seahawks have agreed to terms with free agent DT Russell Davis (Cardinals). The contract is for three years, but financial details were not yet available.

    After reading that article singer posted and seeing these on kffl I am thinking we will end up with Hutch.
    They have also re-signed two of their players & are also interested in Abraham & Peterson.

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

  6. #76

    Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    I think they are just giving the Vikings the run around. They will delay as long as possibly just because they can. I think even if the hawks wins mondays ruling they wont match the offersheet. Seriously who wants a player around for seven years who obviously doesn't want to be there.

  7. #77

    Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    PA--clone. who are you and what do you want? i thought we made deal, only PAvikesfan can be on the board at a time!

    hahaha.

  8. Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    "Benet" wrote:
    "Vikadelic" wrote:
    "But a ruling against the NFC champions would require them to also match a provision in the offer that states if Hutchinson is not the team's highest-paid offensive lineman at any time after the first year of the contract, the final six years of the deal becomes guaranteed."

    Notice the wording "AFTER" the first year. There is nothing that states that he has to be paid more than Jones this season. Therefore, the Seachickens have until the end of next season to make him the highest paid lineman on the team. Many posting members on this site have been saying that the highest paid clause starts in year one. According to this article it doesn't. Can somebody clarify this for me?

    The main reason I am looking for clarification is that it could make a huge difference on whether or not Seattle will match the offer or not. If they have a full year to figure out how to make it work for them it won't be nearly as difficult to offer him the "matching offer" as it would if they needed to make him the highest paid lineman immediately.

    Thanks in advance for any input you might have.
    That's a quality find you've made there.. Where did you get that quote from? I don't think ANYBODY on here has mentioned that at all! Certainly not me! :lol:

    That quote was taken directly from the article that started this post on pg 1

  9. #79

    Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    "Vikadelic" wrote:
    That quote was taken directly from the article that started this post on pg 1
    Eh.. I missed it. If you come in late to these threads you have to speed-read or you'll never catch up!

  10. #80

    Re: Hutch decision will be delayed

    "Vikadelic" wrote:
    "But a ruling against the NFC champions would require them to also match a provision in the offer that states if Hutchinson is not the team's highest-paid offensive lineman at any time after the first year of the contract, the final six years of the deal becomes guaranteed."

    Notice the wording "AFTER" the first year. There is nothing that states that he has to be paid more than Jones this season. Therefore, the Seachickens have until the end of next season to make him the highest paid lineman on the team. Many posting members on this site have been saying that the highest paid clause starts in year one. According to this article it doesn't. Can somebody clarify this for me?

    The main reason I am looking for clarification is that it could make a huge difference on whether or not Seattle will match the offer or not. If they have a full year to figure out how to make it work for them it won't be nearly as difficult to offer him the "matching offer" as it would if they needed to make him the highest paid lineman immediately.

    Thanks in advance for any input you might have.
    Without seeing the actual contract its hard to know exactly what it means. However that could be inturprated to mean that if they make him the higest paid the first year, then after that if for some reason they pay someone more then the remainder of the contract has to be guaranteed. In other words if at any time he becomes not the highest paid lineman then the remainder of the contract becomes guaranteed.

    Just a guess. :wink:

    WWBGD

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