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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by thorshammer View Post
    I hope they can develop Sloter. Kids got good size and a great arm. If he learns to read NFL defenses he has the gun to get her done ......
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWvQBYF8FwE
    I absolutely thought it was a stroke of genious to snatch that kid. I know that it drove the Broncos nuts when he didn't pass waivers.
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  2. I feel pretty confident that Brees will retire a Saint in how ever many years he decides to keep playing. I'm still hoping we can find a reasonably affordable way to keep 2 out of our 3 former starters, and Sloter. Good to have developmental guy at 3, who knows what you'll find. Definitely need a solid backup, as Both of the NFC Championship teams proved this year.

    Regardless of what Keenum gets paid next year, I worry that Defenses will have much better luck now that there is tape out there on him. I would have liked some designed movement from the pocket for him too, but they largely eliminated his scrambling by surrounding and containing him on both sides...pretty much winning the LOS on nearly every down.

    Which leads to my next point: OT first round. I want a monster-mauler RT who dominates in the run game immediately and has some tools to develop pass blocking. Last off season we upgraded from bottom OL to average. Well, turns out average OL can still get dominated by a top DL, and our guys were so in all four losses this season. DET!? you laugh? YES! They've spent early picks and big money there for years, and that D is most likely only going to get scarier with Patricia at the helm.

    At OC its not so much scheme as Play Calling that worries me. They have a recipe for success and some excellent playmakers on hand, but we've had years of predictable disappointing timing of plays called for our Offense. Shurmer shined in that regard most of this year, and that will be hard to replace. Bevell isn't my first choice because of his ties to Childress' terrible play calling. Maybe Stefanski has better instinct, problem is we won't know until we're tied to whichever OC they pick.

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  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    I thought of Brees and Cousins. See to much of Cousins down here in the 757 to really consider him to hard.

    Again, he might be a fit if the right OC is brought in.
    Dude, I am in D.C. ... I see plenty of Cousins. I think he is certainly as capable as Keenum is, but I don't think he is worth a fortune more.

    I think you're wrong on the Keenum tag too, they have so much cap room, that if they don't have another option figured out in time, Keenum is going to get the tag.

    Them moving Sam ahead of Teddy2Gloves in the playoffs signals to me that Teddy is gone. You tell me Bradford is going to hold up ... then I am about 75% sold on him as the best guy. But I also am not blind to Keenum and the fact that he could still develop even more.

    Honestly, I am fine with any one of them behind center game one next year, and would be fine with Cousins or Brees or even Alex Smith to be honest.

    I am more concerned with what they can do to make the line DEEPER and help Linval at the DT position. Of course, we are also going to need a No. 3 corner.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    I feel pretty confident that Brees will retire a Saint in how ever many years he decides to keep playing. I'm still hoping we can find a reasonably affordable way to keep 2 out of our 3 former starters, and Sloter. Good to have developmental guy at 3, who knows what you'll find. Definitely need a solid backup, as Both of the NFC Championship teams proved this year.

    Regardless of what Keenum gets paid next year, I worry that Defenses will have much better luck now that there is tape out there on him. I would have liked some designed movement from the pocket for him too, but they largely eliminated his scrambling by surrounding and containing him on both sides...pretty much winning the LOS on nearly every down.

    Which leads to my next point: OT first round. I want a monster-mauler RT who dominates in the run game immediately and has some tools to develop pass blocking. Last off season we upgraded from bottom OL to average. Well, turns out average OL can still get dominated by a top DL, and our guys were so in all four losses this season. DET!? you laugh? YES! They've spent early picks and big money there for years, and that D is most likely only going to get scarier with Patricia at the helm.

    At OC its not so much scheme as Play Calling that worries me. They have a recipe for success and some excellent playmakers on hand, but we've had years of predictable disappointing timing of plays called for our Offense. Shurmer shined in that regard most of this year, and that will be hard to replace. Bevell isn't my first choice because of his ties to Childress' terrible play calling. Maybe Stefanski has better instinct, problem is we won't know until we're tied to whichever OC they pick.

    SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!
    Meh ... tape on him? There was 24 games of STARTING tape coming into this season. That is a season and a half sample size.

    I am not that worried about "tape" on him as if NOW people can see all the mysterious ways of Keenum. I think Keenum can be a VERY good NFL QB in the right situations. He had one good season with the Rams when the D was playing well.

    I am all with you on the line though. The first round pick should be another offensive lineman for sure and they should continue to look in free agency considering they have a decent amount of cap room to work with.

    I think any OC would lick their chops to get hold of this receiving corps and Cook ... we should be fine in that regard ... I hope.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    At OC its not so much scheme as Play Calling that worries me. They have a recipe for success and some excellent playmakers on hand, but we've had years of predictable disappointing timing of plays called for our Offense. Shurmer shined in that regard most of this year, and that will be hard to replace.
    I disagree.

    Shurmur called an inside run far to often on first and 10 - especially in the first half of each game. He would often come back with a short pass on 2nd down. Defenses keyed this heavily as the season went on.

    In the second half of games, Shurmur would mix it up with some outside runs or even try short passes on first down often followed by runs. Having short passes to backs on first down often did not work well because the Vikings were already defensed for the run on those plays.

    With that playcalling, he was fortunate to have a defense that could keep the Vikings in the game because it was a recipe for disaster if the Vikings got down by multiple scores.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Havent' been on in a while. Was just going to check in and see who is still here. Saw ole Nuemdog posting some tailgating pictures.

    Anyway, as much as it hurts, time to move on. Overall this team is a pretty good team with loads of talent in all different stages of development. Won't take much tweaking to get us back to the place we were at last night and perhaps beyond.

    QB - Probably the biggest decision is with this position. The thing is, unless we tag one of them, all 3 vets could leave if offered more than we will pay them. I'm getting the feeling the following scenarios apply:
    (Key note - Its nice to have options/scenario's. Wasn't long ago we didn't have any options at QB. Now we have multiple ways the staff could go)
    a. We will try to keep Teddy if his knee is right. I'm getting the feeling it might not be quite right now because the staff moved Sam ahead of him as soon as Sam was ready.
    Most believe that Teddy wasn't really going to be full up round until next year. Time will tell on him.
    b. We will try to keep Sam on a Mid Tier backup contract. Because of injuries most teams won't want to commit huge numbers. I think he can be a viable option if he plays behind a decent line (which we have). He did make it through 15 games last year and that was behind a pretty patched up/scabbed together line. How quickly people forget how many HARD hits he took last year.
    c. Case is gone. He is not worth the tag price to keep him and many teams have probably seen enough of him in the Dink Dunk offensive scheme to give him a pretty big (Prove It) incentive laden contract with probably half guaranteed.
    My guess, they will draft another mid rounder, try to keep one of our Vets along with Sloter and see what comes out in camp. The only thing that could change that is if the Owner says, go after a "Top Tier" free agent. This team is still a pretty good team and probably shouldn't have to sit and watch a young kid learn.
    OL - I like were this group is going/heading. Maybe a couple of undrafted Free Agents do develop.
    WR's. - Again, a good group with loads of talent.
    TE's - Not much needed here either.
    DL - I'd like to see another 1 Technique (War Pig) that can rotate with Linval. We have a glut of 3 Techniques and loads of talent at the 5 Technique. Wouldn't be surprised to see a 2nd or 3rd round pick used here.
    LBs - Mid to Low level draft pick on a developmental guy, but I like this group.
    DB's - I like this group as well. Perhaps a mid tier draft pick just in case Newman starts to get OLD.
    ST's. - Good group. Bring in some camp legs but no changes needed here.
    COACHES
    Offensive Coordinator - They are definitely going to have to find one. For everyone clamoring about the West Coast, Walsh Dink Dunk variant guys being garbage, guess what Shurm is. Besides, Zim wants to run a Walsh variant of the West Coast Offense, not the Air Coryell Stretch it Deep every pass variant. I get a strong feeling that they might promote from within....QB Coach or WR Coach.
    In the end, it was one heck of a ride this year. Going out that way is not going to sit well with the Ownership Group all the way down to yutz fans like me. I think the staff will take this year, use it as a learning experience and make it further next year than we did this year.
    In case you haven't noticed, ...............this team gets better each year under the current ownership group, GM, Scouts and Coaching Staff. As I tell everyone, we will win it next year.
    Good to see ya on here big guy!! i just wrote on the QB thread I think we should go after Brees hard and then lay 17 million out there and see who jumps for it first. Brees is the only QB out there I would throw money at right now.

    The OL - I would move Hill to LT, he is the most athletic OL and he should do well next year. I would move Reif to RT and then we would have our tackles for a few years. I would then draft Billy Price in the second round and we would have a very strong and athletic guard. I would then acquire Norwell from the Panthers in FA. we would have significantly improved the Ol for next year with our starting lineup Hill, Norwell, Elflein, Price, Reif. We would have some depth also if Berger stays and Easton should be back.

    WR- I like them too, but I might try to Gordon in FA with a incentive laden contract. The guy is the best WR if he can stay on the field.

    DL- i hate to disagree with you but we need a 3 tech very badly. Floyd is gone, Johnson is a
    FA, Stephens is a question mark with his injury. I say our first round pick should be a 3tech stud, a 3 tech is a key to this defense. Maybe go into FA and get Dontari Poe, could you imagine Joseph and Poe, WOW.

    LB- I like these guys, I wold still look for a fast athletic Will. I don't understand why we let Lee go from last year.

    DB - they are OK, I am not sold on Sendajo and Waynes. I say after a 3 tech and OL, we need to get a good DB in the third round. Hopefully there may be a FA we can get for next year.

    Overall, I think that we missed our chance, Wentz will be back next year as well as Rodgers. we have a first place schedule and a new OC. we are definitely going to struggle next year to win the North and have a home playoff game. My guess is about every NINE years we pop up as contenders, so see you in 2027

    There s only two things stopping you - fear and common sense!! The Truth you CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    The OL - I would move Hill to LT, he is the most athletic OL and he should do well next year. I would move Reif to RT and then we would have our tackles for a few years.
    Hill was a revolving door at left tackle.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Minniman View Post
    Hill was a revolving door at left tackle.
    I agree, but he was very raw and he improved as the season progressed. he has all the tools to be a left tackle, hopefully they finally develop a linemen for once.

    There s only two things stopping you - fear and common sense!! The Truth you CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!

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