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Zeus
09-25-2009, 12:27 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/adam_duerson/09/25/week.3/index.html#?eref=T1


Game of the Week: Niners-Vikings
Adam Duerson > INSIDE THE NFL
Posted: Friday September 25, 2009 12:05PM; Updated: Friday September 25, 2009 12:11PM

Breaking down Sunday's San Francisco 49ers at Minnesota Vikings game (1 p.m., FOX).

Three Things You Should Care About
1. Does anyone in San Francisco have the creativity to draft an offensive game plan capable of cracking the Vikings' defensive line?

2. The man between Adrian Peterson and pay-dirt: Patrick Willis.

3. You'll be watching two of the game's preeminent game managers. Can either one shake that image?


The actual writing about those 3 things can be found in the article.

=Z=

jmcdon00
09-25-2009, 01:34 PM
very good article, nice breakdown.

Not sure if i agree with this though.


Percy Harvin: If you've benefited from his two-touchdown start, then gather your winnings and walk away. Harvin's the type of gimmick player whom Singletary will gameplan for (in between marathon "Stop Peterson" sessions). Don't overplay the hot hand.
Gimmick player?
Nothing gimmicky about being a total stud.

STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES
09-25-2009, 01:39 PM
Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.

BloodyHorns82
09-25-2009, 01:48 PM
"STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES" wrote:


Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.


Why is Harvin gimicky?
He's got elite speed, great hands, and awesome strength, and has shown the ability to pick up the 3rd down conversion.
What else would you want out of a WR?

snowinapril
09-26-2009, 10:20 AM
"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES" wrote:


Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.


Why is Harvin gimicky?
He's got elite speed, great hands, and awesome strength, and has shown the ability to pick up the 3rd down conversion.
What else would you want out of a WR?


It isn't gimmicky!
The guy gets yards.

Gimmick
plays are when you try to use a player at something he isn't good at.
JMHO.

Marrdro
09-26-2009, 10:29 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES" wrote:


Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.


Why is Harvin gimicky?
He's got elite speed, great hands, and awesome strength, and has shown the ability to pick up the 3rd down conversion.
What else would you want out of a WR?


It isn't gimmicky!
The guy gets yards.

Gimmick
plays are when you try to use a player at something he isn't good at.
JMHO.



You mean like the Dolphins and their QB?.......
JK, still cracks me up how they have to resort to the Wildcat so much to move the ball and people still think that cat is a good QB.

Wonder if we will see them move to one of their youngsters this year?
::)

snowinapril
09-26-2009, 10:36 AM
The article didn't mention much about Gore.

So I will.

When I hear the commentators on the NFL shows on ESPN, NFLN, and Sirius, they all talk about the impact of Gore.
They go back to his two long runs in the last game and are just amazed and translate that to having a great game vs the Vikes.
I mentioned this in a previous thread and I will say it again.
Those runs were MISTAKES and can be attributed to number 27 for the Hawks.
The safety too the wrong lines and missed his chance to tackle Gore.
One of those TDs would have happened the other one shouldn't have happened.
The one where the ref was in the way and #27 couldn't take the line he initially started on.
The other run for a TD I will give that one to Gores ability to deceive the defender.


We have held some of the best runners in the league to not many yards in the past three years.
Willis or no Willis on the other side of AP, I would go with AP over Gore in this match up this week.
That is my take.

OK, now that I have taken the Gore excitement out of this game, what do the Niners have left.
Hill and Issac Bruce.

My question is this, has our running game been that bad or have he just been baiting teams into thinking they can run on us so they won't want to come out and pass the whole game.
I would rather give up the best run D title if it means that we don't get passed on so bad that we become the worst pass D.
It is a little bit of give and take.

Marrdro
09-26-2009, 10:38 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:


The article didn't mention much about Gore.

So I will.

When I hear the commentators on the NFL shows on ESPN, NFLN, and Sirius, they all talk about the impact of Gore.
They go back to his two long runs in the last game and are just amazed and translate that to having a great game vs the Vikes.
I mentioned this in a previous thread and I will say it again.
Those runs were MISTAKES and can be attributed to number 27 for the Hawks.
The safety too the wrong lines and missed his chance to tackle Gore.
One of those TDs would have happened the other one shouldn't have happened.
The one where the ref was in the way and #27 couldn't take the line he initially started on.
The other run for a TD I will give that one to Gores ability to deceive the defender.


We have held some of the best runners in the league to not many yards in the past three years.
Willis or no Willis on the other side of AP, I would go with AP over Gore in this match up this week.
That is my take.

OK, now that I have taken the Gore excitement out of this game, what do the Niners have left.
Hill and Issac Bruce.

My question is this, has our running game been that bad or have he just been baiting teams into thinking they can run on us so they won't want to come out and pass the whole game.
I would rather give up the best run D title if it means that we don't get passed on so bad that we become the worst pass D.
It is a little bit of give and take.

I put a couple of articles in the "Prediction" thread that has some nice info along that lines.

On a side note, did you see the NFC Playbook last night?
Baldy broke down how the Lions gashed us last week.
LB'rs not staying in their lanes.


Lets hope that got fixed this week or we might see a few "Mistake" runs.

snowinapril
09-26-2009, 10:44 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


The article didn't mention much about Gore.

So I will.

When I hear the commentators on the NFL shows on ESPN, NFLN, and Sirius, they all talk about the impact of Gore.
They go back to his two long runs in the last game and are just amazed and translate that to having a great game vs the Vikes.
I mentioned this in a previous thread and I will say it again.
Those runs were MISTAKES and can be attributed to number 27 for the Hawks.
The safety too the wrong lines and missed his chance to tackle Gore.
One of those TDs would have happened the other one shouldn't have happened.
The one where the ref was in the way and #27 couldn't take the line he initially started on.
The other run for a TD I will give that one to Gores ability to deceive the defender.


We have held some of the best runners in the league to not many yards in the past three years.
Willis or no Willis on the other side of AP, I would go with AP over Gore in this match up this week.
That is my take.

OK, now that I have taken the Gore excitement out of this game, what do the Niners have left.
Hill and Issac Bruce.

My question is this, has our running game been that bad or have he just been baiting teams into thinking they can run on us so they won't want to come out and pass the whole game.
I would rather give up the best run D title if it means that we don't get passed on so bad that we become the worst pass D.
It is a little bit of give and take.

I put a couple of articles in the "Prediction" thread that has some nice info along that lines.

On a side note, did you see the NFC Playbook last night?
Baldy broke down how the Lions gashed us last week.
LB'rs not staying in their lanes.


Lets hope that got fixed this week or we might see a few "Mistake" runs.


I saw that when I watched the game on DVR.
I just don't understand it.
I don't think that our D is bad, I just don't know why they have been disrespectful of the two teams we have played so far.
Oh ya, because it was the Browns and the Lions.
They have to stay in their lanes like you said when they play Gore.
It will be a team D effort to stop him.
If one player breaks down he will take one the distance.

V4L
09-26-2009, 04:12 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES" wrote:


Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.


Why is Harvin gimicky?
He's got elite speed, great hands, and awesome strength, and has shown the ability to pick up the 3rd down conversion.
What else would you want out of a WR?


It isn't gimmicky!
The guy gets yards.

Gimmick
plays are when you try to use a player at something he isn't good at.
JMHO.



You mean like the Dolphins and their QB?.......
JK, still cracks me up how they have to resort to the Wildcat so much to move the ball and people still think that cat is a good QB.

Wonder if we will see them move to one of their youngsters this year?

::)



?

Why would they? They win with Chad

Chad is a very very very accurate passer.. Not an elite QB.. But I never hear him mentioned in those name

He is a good QB

jorgie
09-26-2009, 04:16 PM
One of these days the Vikings are going to have to play a complete, and not just one half. :-[

snowinapril
09-26-2009, 05:46 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES" wrote:


Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.


Why is Harvin gimicky?
He's got elite speed, great hands, and awesome strength, and has shown the ability to pick up the 3rd down conversion.
What else would you want out of a WR?


It isn't gimmicky!
The guy gets yards.

Gimmick
plays are when you try to use a player at something he isn't good at.
JMHO.



You mean like the Dolphins and their QB?.......
JK, still cracks me up how they have to resort to the Wildcat so much to move the ball and people still think that cat is a good QB.

Wonder if we will see them move to one of their youngsters this year?

::)



?

Why would they? They win with Chad

Chad is a very very very accurate passer.. Not an elite QB.. But I never hear him mentioned in those name

He is a good QB


They are 0-2 right now.

I do agree, that Chad is a good passer.

As far as the wildcat in Miami covering for Chad's inability, that is what I would have a problem with.
I think they were trying to find a way to use Brown and Williams at the same time.
It could be because of the lack of WR help they had last year too.
The guys like Ginn and Camarillo (?) are maturing this year.
JMHO!

gagarr
09-26-2009, 06:07 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:




Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.


Why is Harvin gimicky?
He's got elite speed, great hands, and awesome strength, and has shown the ability to pick up the 3rd down conversion.
What else would you want out of a WR?


It isn't gimmicky!
The guy gets yards.

Gimmick
plays are when you try to use a player at something he isn't good at.
JMHO.



You mean like the Dolphins and their QB?.......
JK, still cracks me up how they have to resort to the Wildcat so much to move the ball and people still think that cat is a good QB.

Wonder if we will see them move to one of their youngsters this year?

::)



?

Why would they? They win with Chad

Chad is a very very very accurate passer.. Not an elite QB.. But I never hear him mentioned in those name

He is a good QB


They are 0-2 right now.

I do agree, that Chad is a good passer.

As far as the wildcat in Miami covering for Chad's inability, that is what I would have a problem with.
I think they were trying to find a way to use Brown and Williams at the same time.
It could be because of the lack of WR help they had last year too.
The guys like Ginn and Camarillo (?) are maturing this year.
JMHO!


If it works go with it.
Until someone can consistantly stop the Dolphins WC, they would be stupid not to use it, REGARDLESS of who is QB.
Colts and Pats couldn't run a WC, because they don't have the personnel.
Although I think the Vikes have the personnel in PH, AD, and CT, I don't think it is necessary.

Remember, the Dolphins were coming of a horrible 1-15 season, they just lost their first 2 in 2008, and they were going up against the Pats.
If they played the Pats straight up they would have gotten their butts kicked, so they had nothing to lose in trying something gimmiky.
But the gimmick wasn't a gimmick, because it used the talent of the personnel and created serious mismatches.

battleaxe4cheese
09-26-2009, 06:29 PM
I will be at the game tomorrow and will be taking careful notes.

Marrdro
09-27-2009, 06:52 AM
"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES" wrote:


Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.


Why is Harvin gimicky?
He's got elite speed, great hands, and awesome strength, and has shown the ability to pick up the 3rd down conversion.
What else would you want out of a WR?


It isn't gimmicky!
The guy gets yards.

Gimmick
plays are when you try to use a player at something he isn't good at.
JMHO.



You mean like the Dolphins and their QB?.......
JK, still cracks me up how they have to resort to the Wildcat so much to move the ball and people still think that cat is a good QB.

Wonder if we will see them move to one of their youngsters this year?

::)



?

Why would they? They win with Chad

Chad is a very very very accurate passer.. Not an elite QB.. But I never hear him mentioned in those name

He is a good QB

Accurate or not, he has a weak arm.
That allows D-coords to cheat up and take the short stuff away.
Again, thats why they use the Wildcat IMHO.

Get someone in there that can throw an out or the skinny post and the wildcat would go away for them.

And they don't win with Chad by the way.
They either win with the Wildcat or lose.
;)

Marrdro
09-27-2009, 06:53 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:




Out of all 32 teams, mike vick is the biggest 'gimmick player' today.
Harvin might be 2nd, but you won't see dogs bark when percy's on the scene.


Why is Harvin gimicky?
He's got elite speed, great hands, and awesome strength, and has shown the ability to pick up the 3rd down conversion.
What else would you want out of a WR?


It isn't gimmicky!
The guy gets yards.

Gimmick
plays are when you try to use a player at something he isn't good at.
JMHO.



You mean like the Dolphins and their QB?.......
JK, still cracks me up how they have to resort to the Wildcat so much to move the ball and people still think that cat is a good QB.

Wonder if we will see them move to one of their youngsters this year?

::)



?

Why would they? They win with Chad

Chad is a very very very accurate passer.. Not an elite QB.. But I never hear him mentioned in those name

He is a good QB


They are 0-2 right now.

I do agree, that Chad is a good passer.

As far as the wildcat in Miami covering for Chad's inability, that is what I would have a problem with.
I think they were trying to find a way to use Brown and Williams at the same time.
It could be because of the lack of WR help they had last year too.
The guys like Ginn and Camarillo (?) are maturing this year.
JMHO!

Ginn and Fasano (sp) need to hang onto the ball, not mature.
;)