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helmutkohl
09-01-2009, 02:14 PM
I figured Jon Gruden would worship Farve on Monday night, but man he was praising the vikings players at every opportunity.
He seems to believe we have all the pieces in place to become a championship team.
Is he positioning himeself to become the next Vikings head coach if childress fails this year?

ultravikingfan
09-01-2009, 03:17 PM
No.

He is being a commentator.

tarkenton10
09-01-2009, 03:18 PM
My two choices would be

1.
The chin - Bill Cower
OR
2.
Mike Shanahan

in that order!

Zeus
09-01-2009, 03:19 PM
"tarkenton10" wrote:


My two choices would be

1.
The chin - Bill Cower
OR
2.
Mike Shanahan

in that order!


Since Childress is going to lead them to the Super Bowl Championship this year, it's a moot point.

=Z=

Sajid28
09-04-2009, 08:03 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"tarkenton10" wrote:


My two choices would be

1.
The chin - Bill Cower
OR
2.
Mike Shanahan

in that order!


Since Childress is going to lead them to the Super Bowl Championship this year, it's a moot point.

=Z=


as much as i would love our first SB, it would be great if chilly lead us to it. but if he doesnt and if for some reason we dont even make the playoffs, id luv to get cowher, shanny or gruden. all 3 have a ring, and all 3 are capable of taking us to the promise land

jessejames09
09-04-2009, 08:41 AM
I see where you're coming from. As an offensive guru he was sporting a rod when our offense was on the field. Not to mention the guy loves PH and Brett Favre. Hell, he even ran the cover 2 in TB.

I just don't think the team will be bad enough to get Chilly fired. I see us making the playoffs easily, and once we get passed the first round Chillies job will already be safe.

Mark_The_Viking
09-04-2009, 09:08 AM
Take of your homer hats and answer the question honestly. Do you really think we a re lock in for the playoffs?

Zeus
09-04-2009, 09:20 AM
"Mark_The_Viking" wrote:


Take of your homer hats and answer the question honestly. Do you really think we a re lock in for the playoffs?


There are no locks in the NFL.
The Patriots were a stone-cold lock for about 12 minutes last year.

=Z=

snowinapril
09-04-2009, 09:26 AM
"Sajid28" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"tarkenton10" wrote:


My two choices would be

1.
The chin - Bill Cower
OR
2.
Mike Shanahan

in that order!


Since Childress is going to lead them to the Super Bowl Championship this year, it's a moot point.

=Z=


as much as i would love our first SB, it would be great if chilly lead us to it. but if he doesnt and if for some reason we dont even make the playoffs, id luv to get cowher, shanny or gruden. all 3 have a ring, and all 3 are capable of taking us to the promise land


The good thing about this Favre situation, we know the owners will do what they think is best for the team.
Even bold action is not out of the question.


"Mark_The_Viking" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


I see where you're coming from. As an offensive guru he was sporting a rod when our offense was on the field. Not to mention the guy loves PH and Brett Favre. Hell, he even ran the cover 2 in TB.

I just don't think the team will be bad enough to get Chilly fired. I see us making the playoffs easily, and once we get passed the first round Chillies job will already be safe.




Take of your homer hats and answer the question honestly. Do you really think we a re lock in for the playoffs?


If we don't make the playoffs, this will be a huge blunder.
We have one of the most talented teams in the league.


Proclaimed by the media at every turn:
Best RB
Top 5 D
Possibly the best O-line (at least run)
Possibly the best D-line


Heck it was stated before Favre that all we needed was a small upgrade and we were a lock.
Now we got the small upgrade and we are competing with the Packers for the NFCN.

Back to the original topic, about Gruden, he will not be our coach......... Doesn't make sense.
I think he got lucky in Oak and he inherited Dungy's team in TB.
Where did TB go after that SB.
Some of that might have been front office decisions but I don't see him as a great coach.

NodakPaul
09-04-2009, 09:44 AM
I want C Mac to be the next coach. :)
Then we will find out for sure if he really knows more about football than Childress...

Just kidding C Mac.
(But you have to admit, that would be a fun train wreck to watch...)

snowinapril
09-04-2009, 09:52 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


I want C Mac to be the next coach. :)
Then we will find out for sure if he really knows more about football than Childress...

Just kidding C Mac.
(But you have to admit, that would be a fun train wreck to watch...)


He could hire Tice as his assistant to help make decisions.

Formo
09-04-2009, 09:54 AM
I wouldn't be mad if Gruden was hired.
I'll can't be content with any of our coaching staff until we win a Super Bowl.

Zeus
09-04-2009, 09:55 AM
"Formo" wrote:


I wouldn't be mad if Gruden was hired.
I'll can't be content with any of our coaching staff until we win a Super Bowl.


Why do you hate Bud Grant?

=Z=

Formo
09-04-2009, 10:02 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:


I wouldn't be mad if Gruden was hired.
I'll can't be content with any of our coaching staff until we win a Super Bowl.


Why do you hate Bud Grant?

=Z=


lol, No hate, brah.

I'm talking coaching staff of my lifetime (Denny Green to current).

battleaxe4cheese
09-04-2009, 10:42 AM
I'd take Gruden, but he isn't coming so that leaves potentially Shanahan/Cower. I think Bill is content behind a desk for now, and Mike would probably be our best option/possibility. Who knows maybe Chilli makes us all proud. :-

NodakPaul
09-04-2009, 10:44 AM
"battleaxe4cheese" wrote:


I'd take Gruden, but he isn't coming so that leaves potentially Shanahan/Cower. I think Bill is content behind a desk for now, and Mike would probably be our best option/possibility. Who knows maybe Chilli makes us all proud. :-\


Well, Childress has been a part of the FO that has put one of the best teams in a LONG time on the field, and he brought us our first ever NFC North title, and we hosted a playoff game for the first time since 2000... SO as of right now I am not complaining about him.

battleaxe4cheese
09-04-2009, 10:47 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"battleaxe4cheese" wrote:


I'd take Gruden, but he isn't coming so that leaves potentially Shanahan/Cower. I think Bill is content behind a desk for now, and Mike would probably be our best option/possibility. Who knows maybe Chilli makes us all proud. :-\


Well, Childress has been a part of the FO that has put one of the best teams in a LONG time on the field, and he brought us our first ever NFC North title, and we hosted a playoff game for the first time since 2000... SO as of right now I am not complaining about him.


Agree :)

Mr-holland
09-04-2009, 10:47 AM
After this season, Childress will sign an extension

battleaxe4cheese
09-04-2009, 10:57 AM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


After this season, Childress will sign an extension


perhaps

NordicNed
09-04-2009, 11:00 AM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


After this season, Childress will sign an extension

This will happen, only if we take the Div again and win at least one playoff game.
If Chilly and the Team, come up short, I can see Wilf testing the waters for a new coach.







One other way Chilly may be safe, at least I believe so.
We come oh so close to taking the DIV, but don't, but do earn a Wild Card slot.
With that said, we go into the playoffs and win all the way up to the NFC title game.
Either we win the NFC or lose it, Chilly still may be safe.
Depends on how we lose that game.
If a big blunder, it may piss Wilf off enought for him to seek a change at HC....

RK.
09-04-2009, 11:18 AM
This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some ass this year.

Ranger
09-04-2009, 11:21 AM
"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some ass this year.


I'm one of the few here who actually like Chilly a lot.
However, I see where you're coming from.

Zeus
09-04-2009, 11:42 AM
"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some ass this year.


I actually call winning your division and making the playoffs "Being a contender", but I'm weird like that.

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
09-04-2009, 11:53 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some ass this year.


I actually call winning your division and making the playoffs "Being a contender", but I'm weird like that.

=Z=


I'd say having a legitimate shot at winning a superbowl is being a contender.
Teams taht back into the playoffs knowing they're one and done aren't contenders.
We were close, i wouldn't say we were contending though.

Zeus
09-04-2009, 11:55 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some ass this year.


I actually call winning your division and making the playoffs "Being a contender", but I'm weird like that.


I'd say having a legitimate shot at winning a superbowl is being a contender.
Teams taht back into the playoffs knowing they're one and done aren't contenders.

We were close, i wouldn't say we were contending though.


So - Arizona wasn't a contender last year?

=Z=

slavinator
09-04-2009, 12:09 PM
A couple of thoughts here........

Gruden would be a great fit in terms of the offensive, defensive schemes and coaching up our nastiness a bit.
However I dont see this happening for a few reasons.
Chilli, unless this thing backfires this year on him, is fairly secure in his job.
The Wilf's are not going to go into an uncapped year without a stadium deal and pay a ton of money for a new coach not to mention the increased cost of getting players next year, it just doesn't make sense.


I have a great deal of respect for what Chilli has done in terms of changing over our roster, putting his imprint on the team, and with Favre the other night it was the first time I really saw the offense open up.
What I mean by that is there were playcalls in there that we had not run before whether that was due to the QB or the options we now have amassed I dont know, but I like where we are headed.

SKOL!

snowinapril
09-04-2009, 12:24 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some jiggly butt this year.


I actually call winning your division and making the playoffs "Being a contender", but I'm weird like that.


I'd say having a legitimate shot at winning a superbowl is being a contender.
Teams taht back into the playoffs knowing they're one and done aren't contenders.

We were close, i wouldn't say we were contending though.


So - Arizona wasn't a contender last year?

=Z=


LOL! AZ was one INT/NoPts/Pick6 away from winning that game.
That swing killed them.

That is the crazy part of the NFL.
Momentum over the playoff games to get to the superbowl and then on one play during the Bowl that momentum swung the other way.

ultravikingfan
09-04-2009, 12:27 PM
"Ranger" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some ass this year.


I'm one of the few here who actually like Chilly a lot.
However, I see where you're coming from.


+1

I like Chilly too.
I love hearing about his speeches and analogies.
Plus, the unshaven "rough" look with the boonie cap is slick as hell. (Maybe I have a man-crush on him???)

The season has not even started and some are thinking about our next head coach?
Especially one that inherited a Super Bowl team?
Wow.
::)

jargomcfargo
09-04-2009, 12:44 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some jiggly butt this year.


I'm one of the few here who actually like Chilly a lot.
However, I see where you're coming from.


+1

I like Chilly too.
I love hearing about his speeches and analogies.
Plus, the unshaven "rough" look with the boonie cap is slick as hell. (Maybe I have a man-crush on him???)

The season has not even started and some are thinking about our next head coach?
Especially one that inherited a Super Bowl team?
Wow.
::)


Wow is right. You'd think this team sucked. The reality is quite the opposite.

ejmat
09-04-2009, 01:04 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some jiggly butt this year.


I'm one of the few here who actually like Chilly a lot.
However, I see where you're coming from.


+1

I like Chilly too.
I love hearing about his speeches and analogies.
Plus, the unshaven "rough" look with the boonie cap is slick as hell. (Maybe I have a man-crush on him???)

The season has not even started and some are thinking about our next head coach?
Especially one that inherited a Super Bowl team?
Wow.
::)


Wow is right. You'd think this team sucked. The reality is quite the opposite.



Exactly.
This team has great talent.
I will agree that Childress should be on the hot seat though.
This team needs to be successful.
By successful I don't mean they must absolutely win a superbowl.
I mean they must contend.
There are things that happen throughout the course of the year that can change the outcome of the team such as injuries and whatnot.
The fact is the team has improved and continues to improve.
If Childress makes stupid decisions that cost them games that's one thing.
But if it is things that are out of his control that's another.

PurpleTide
09-04-2009, 01:21 PM
Chidress will be around unless we don't make the playoffs with a relatively healthy team, or he loses the locker room. I think BC gets a extension, and continue's building a mighty fine team. We are true contenders now.

Prophet
09-04-2009, 01:38 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some jiggly butt this year.


I'm one of the few here who actually like Chilly a lot.
However, I see where you're coming from.


+1

I like Chilly too.
I love hearing about his speeches and analogies.
Plus, the unshaven "rough" look with the boonie cap is slick as hell. (Maybe I have a man-crush on him???)

The season has not even started and some are thinking about our next head coach?
Especially one that inherited a Super Bowl team?
Wow.
::)


Wow is right. You'd think this team sucked. The reality is quite the opposite.



Exactly.
This team has great talent.
I will agree that Childress should be on the hot seat though.
This team needs to be successful.
By successful I don't mean they must absolutely win a superbowl.
I mean they must contend.
There are things that happen throughout the course of the year that can change the outcome of the team such as injuries and whatnot.
The fact is the team has improved and continues to improve.
If Childress makes stupid decisions that cost them games that's one thing.
But if it is things that are out of his control that's another.




Fire Childress.
He is doing a great job, best team that has been assembled for decades.
Of course I am an idiot so what do I know.

ultravikingfan
09-04-2009, 01:39 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:




This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some jiggly butt this year.


I'm one of the few here who actually like Chilly a lot.
However, I see where you're coming from.


+1

I like Chilly too.
I love hearing about his speeches and analogies.
Plus, the unshaven "rough" look with the boonie cap is slick as hell. (Maybe I have a man-crush on him???)

The season has not even started and some are thinking about our next head coach?
Especially one that inherited a Super Bowl team?
Wow.
::)


Wow is right. You'd think this team sucked. The reality is quite the opposite.



Exactly.
This team has great talent.
I will agree that Childress should be on the hot seat though.
This team needs to be successful.
By successful I don't mean they must absolutely win a superbowl.
I mean they must contend.
There are things that happen throughout the course of the year that can change the outcome of the team such as injuries and whatnot.
The fact is the team has improved and continues to improve.
If Childress makes stupid decisions that cost them games that's one thing.
But if it is things that are out of his control that's another.




Fire Childress.
He is doing a great job, best team that has been assembled for decades.


Let's not start that in this thread.
We have had a ton of threads with this already embedded and beat to death in them.

Prophet
09-04-2009, 01:40 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:






This is the year Chilly has to be a contender.
He has everything he has asked for.
If we fail it will fall directly on coaching and he will be gone.
There is no reason we should not win the our division and go deep into the playoffs.
In short the KAO better kick some jiggly butt this year.


I'm one of the few here who actually like Chilly a lot.
However, I see where you're coming from.


+1

I like Chilly too.
I love hearing about his speeches and analogies.
Plus, the unshaven "rough" look with the boonie cap is slick as hell. (Maybe I have a man-crush on him???)

The season has not even started and some are thinking about our next head coach?
Especially one that inherited a Super Bowl team?
Wow.
::)


Wow is right. You'd think this team sucked. The reality is quite the opposite.



Exactly.
This team has great talent.
I will agree that Childress should be on the hot seat though.
This team needs to be successful.
By successful I don't mean they must absolutely win a superbowl.
I mean they must contend.
There are things that happen throughout the course of the year that can change the outcome of the team such as injuries and whatnot.
The fact is the team has improved and continues to improve.
If Childress makes stupid decisions that cost them games that's one thing.
But if it is things that are out of his control that's another.




Fire Childress.
He is doing a great job, best team that has been assembled for decades.


Let's not start that in this thread.
We have had a ton of threads with this already embedded and beat to death in them.


You should always read the fine print.

midgensa
09-04-2009, 02:00 PM
I don't see Gruden being our next coach honestly ... and I don't see Childress going anywhere any time soon.
Let's be honest ... the guys has cleaned house over three years and done things his way and gotten his guys and has gotten better each season.
He has helped assemble a team loaded with talent and is coming off a division championship.
Barring a tank job this season I think Childress is around for next season. I personally don't think he HAS to win a playoff game to keep his job, but if he does win one, he keeps his job with ease.

RK.
09-04-2009, 06:30 PM
All I am saying is last year many times the play calling was simply awful.
Maybe it was because of the QB maybe it was just unimaginative.
Too hard to tell which it was from the side line.
We won the division but never had a chance in the playoffs.
We just were not good enough.
This year we are good enough in talent.
This is the year that will show Chilly up for being a genius or just another mediocre coach that can't quite put it all together when he has all the pieces.
IMHO.

jorgie
09-04-2009, 07:11 PM
"tarkenton10" wrote:


My two choices would be

1.
The chin - Bill Cower
OR
2.
Mike Shanahan

in that order!


I agree but not for sure in that order.

Mark_The_Viking
09-04-2009, 07:18 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


I don't see Gruden being our next coach honestly ... and I don't see Childress going anywhere any time soon.
Let's be honest ... the guys has cleaned house over three years and done things his way and gotten his guys and has gotten better each season.
He has helped assemble a team loaded with talent and is coming off a division championship.
Barring a tank job this season I think Childress is around for next season. I personally don't think he HAS to win a playoff game to keep his job, but if he does win one, he keeps his job with ease.


I'm afraid midge is right
:(

Purple Floyd
09-04-2009, 07:42 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


I want C Mac to be the next coach. :)
Then we will find out for sure if he really knows more about football than Childress...

Just kidding C Mac.
(But you have to admit, that would be a fun train wreck to watch...)


He could hire Tice as his assistant to help make decisions.


And TW as the director of player personnel because he can see into the soul of a player just by reading a short blog.

TrojanVike28
09-04-2009, 07:46 PM
I can see Gruden as our coach, but I highly doubt it. All Chilly has to is get us to the playoffs, and his job is pretty much safe. However, I don't want to see Shanahan as our coach. He'll trade AD in his prime for Nnamdi Asomugha(like the Broncos traded Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey) Nah, let's not fantasize about getting rid of Chilly, it won't happen unless he totally blows it...

scottishvike
09-04-2009, 07:52 PM
Chilly is an innovator he was the first coach to use the "punt to lose" strategy why would we ditch him for a guy who has a SB win on his CV?

V4L
09-04-2009, 11:50 PM
"scottishvike" wrote:


Chilly is an innovator he was the first coach to use the "punt to lose" strategy why would we ditch him for a guy who has a SB win on his CV?


HAHAHHAAHAAAA!!

soonerbornNbred
09-05-2009, 01:27 AM
Brad Childress recognized he needed to get a QB this offseason, He recognized the QB he had the past seasons were a hindrance to creating a championship level team( Winning team he had ,Championship type team not yet there)...Maybe getting the right mix of players helps him to become a good coach...was Walsh the best coach or was it the talent he had, was Jimmy Johnson the best coach or was it the talent...Talented Core Players make a coach look good whether he is or not...Talented Core players with a coach that has a intelligent scheme, a plan, a vision...... can be Champions...Im pretty sure thats whats going on in New England

Marrdro
09-05-2009, 09:09 AM
"soonerbornNbred" wrote:




Brad Childress recognized he needed to get a QB this offseason, He recognized the QB he had the past seasons were a hindrance to creating a championship level team( Winning team he had ,Championship type team not yet there)...Maybe getting the right mix of players helps him to become a good coach...was Walsh the best coach or was it the talent he had, was Jimmy Johnson the best coach or was it the talent...Talented Core Players make a coach look good whether he is or not...Talented Core players with a coach that has a intelligent scheme, a plan, a vision...... can be Champions...Im pretty sure thats whats going on in New England

You think the Chiller just woke up this offseason and said, "Hey, I need a QB"........

Comeon my friend, this staff has been trying to fix the QB position since they got here.
Take a hard look at what has been available since Pepp caught an attitude and Foley screwed the Pooch in his firs (and last draft).

My 2 cents for what its worth?

This is the most talented, well rounded Vikings team to fun out onto the gridiron for a long long time.
If we had a do-over on the 2006 draft (Rick instead of Foley) things would be different it would even be better.

The Chiller and Rickie boy seem to work well together and have made some nice decisions.
I do see one issue coming up though.
It appears that Rickie has had a big say in trying to fix some of those 2006 draft issues as he (not the Chiller) was the major voice that brought Sage here and it appears the Chiller is the main voice (as well as the owners) who brought in LNAD.

This small issue can/could drive a wedge between the two when it comes to the contract discussions that will have to take place with TJ (Foley/Chiller Pick).

Question is, does Rickie boy have more pull than the Chiller and will that small issue, along with a 1 and done (in the playoffs) be enough ammo for Rickie to get rid of the Chiller if he feels he needs to go.

Long story short, as I said, I think these two work well together.
I don't see either one of them trying to get rid of the other (even if the TJ contract talks go awry) and the Chiller will get his extension and will be the HC of the "Bowers Hill VA Vikings" next year and for many years to come.
;)

(One caveat) - I still say his "New" approach to getting a team ready will have this team flat coming out of the gate, when in fact they need to come out and start fast.

battleaxe4cheese
09-05-2009, 11:14 AM
Chilli will be back with a vengeance! Well that is assuming the team doesn't implode. To be honest Chilli has taken this team up a notch every year...well QB wise we still have issues, but then so do allot of teams in the league. I like Frazier, Bevell I'm on the fence with. Maybe this is the year of the daunted KAO :D

Big C
09-05-2009, 11:21 AM
I like Chilly. He has evolved over the years and has the team believinvg him. He screwed up the QB position big time, but I can stomach that in comparison to some of the other new coaches over the last 3 years.

However, if Chilli loses his job, I think it automatically goes to Leslie Frazier. Hands down. He inheirted the best run defense from Tomlin and IMPROVED the pass defense WITHOUT dropping production in run defense. Yes he has quality players, but he is showing that he knows how to use them.

battleaxe4cheese
09-05-2009, 11:28 AM
"Big" wrote:


I like Chilly. He has evolved over the years and has the team believinvg him. He screwed up the QB position big time, but I can stomach that in comparison to some of the other new coaches over the last 3 years.

However, if Chilli loses his job, I think it automatically goes to Leslie Frazier. Hands down. He inheirted the best run defense from Tomlin and IMPROVED the pass defense WITHOUT dropping production in run defense. Yes he has quality players, but he is showing that he knows how to use them.



+1

V4L
09-05-2009, 11:57 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"soonerbornNbred" wrote:




Brad Childress recognized he needed to get a QB this offseason, He recognized the QB he had the past seasons were a hindrance to creating a championship level team( Winning team he had ,Championship type team not yet there)...Maybe getting the right mix of players helps him to become a good coach...was Walsh the best coach or was it the talent he had, was Jimmy Johnson the best coach or was it the talent...Talented Core Players make a coach look good whether he is or not...Talented Core players with a coach that has a intelligent scheme, a plan, a vision...... can be Champions...Im pretty sure thats whats going on in New England

You think the Chiller just woke up this offseason and said, "Hey, I need a QB"........

Comeon my friend, this staff has been trying to fix the QB position since they got here.
Take a hard look at what has been available since Pepp caught an attitude and Foley screwed the Pooch in his firs (and last draft).

My 2 cents for what its worth?

This is the most talented, well rounded Vikings team to fun out onto the gridiron for a long long time.
If we had a do-over on the 2006 draft (Rick instead of Foley) things would be different it would even be better.

The Chiller and Rickie boy seem to work well together and have made some nice decisions.
I do see one issue coming up though.
It appears that Rickie has had a big say in trying to fix some of those 2006 draft issues as he (not the Chiller) was the major voice that brought Sage here and it appears the Chiller is the main voice (as well as the owners) who brought in LNAD.

This small issue can/could drive a wedge between the two when it comes to the contract discussions that will have to take place with TJ (Foley/Chiller Pick).

Question is, does Rickie boy have more pull than the Chiller and will that small issue, along with a 1 and done (in the playoffs) be enough ammo for Rickie to get rid of the Chiller if he feels he needs to go.

Long story short, as I said, I think these two work well together.
I don't see either one of them trying to get rid of the other (even if the TJ contract talks go awry) and the Chiller will get his extension and will be the HC of the "Bowers Hill VA Vikings" next year and for many years to come.

;)

(One caveat) - I still say his "New" approach to getting a team ready will have this team flat coming out of the gate, when in fact they need to come out and start fast.


I don't think we can possibly start out slow against our first 4 teams we play

I love his approach

Our players have been around long enough they know eachother

They seemed to be flying around this preseason

Im not worried and we will be fresh

battleaxe4cheese
09-05-2009, 12:46 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"soonerbornNbred" wrote:




Brad Childress recognized he needed to get a QB this offseason, He recognized the QB he had the past seasons were a hindrance to creating a championship level team( Winning team he had ,Championship type team not yet there)...Maybe getting the right mix of players helps him to become a good coach...was Walsh the best coach or was it the talent he had, was Jimmy Johnson the best coach or was it the talent...Talented Core Players make a coach look good whether he is or not...Talented Core players with a coach that has a intelligent scheme, a plan, a vision...... can be Champions...Im pretty sure thats whats going on in New England

You think the Chiller just woke up this offseason and said, "Hey, I need a QB"........

Comeon My Farvish Friend, this staff has been trying to fix the QB position since they got here.
Take a hard look at what has been available since Pepp caught an attitude and Foley screwed the Pooch in his firs (and last draft).

My 2 cents for what its worth?

This is the most talented, well rounded Vikings team to fun out onto the gridiron for a long long time.
If we had a do-over on the 2006 draft (Rick instead of Foley) things would be different it would even be better.

The Chiller and Rickie boy seem to work well together and have made some nice decisions.
I do see one issue coming up though.
It appears that Rickie has had a big say in trying to fix some of those 2006 draft issues as he (not the Chiller) was the major voice that brought Sage here and it appears the Chiller is the main voice (as well as the owners) who brought in LNAD.

This small issue can/could drive a wedge between the two when it comes to the contract discussions that will have to take place with TJ (Foley/Chiller Pick).

Question is, does Rickie boy have more pull than the Chiller and will that small issue, along with a 1 and done (in the playoffs) be enough ammo for Rickie to get rid of the Chiller if he feels he needs to go.

Long story short, as I said, I think these two work well together.
I don't see either one of them trying to get rid of the other (even if the TJ contract talks go awry) and the Chiller will get his extension and will be the HC of the "Bowers Hill VA Vikings" next year and for many years to come.

;)

(One caveat) - I still say his "New" approach to getting a team ready will have this team flat coming out of the gate, when in fact they need to come out and start fast.


I don't think we can possibly start out slow against our first 4 teams we play

I love his approach

Our players have been around long enough they know eachother

They seemed to be flying around this preseason

Im not worried and we will be fresh



Team Ga-y will be a tough game I think

SamOchoCinco
09-05-2009, 12:48 PM
"Big" wrote:


I like Chilly. He has evolved over the years and has the team believinvg him. He screwed up the QB position big time, but I can stomach that in comparison to some of the other new coaches over the last 3 years.

However, if Chilli loses his job, I think it automatically goes to Leslie Frazier. Hands down. He inheirted the best run defense from Tomlin and IMPROVED the pass defense WITHOUT dropping production in run defense. Yes he has quality players, but he is showing that he knows how to use them.


thats debateable.

hes good at coordinator yes. but that doesnt automaticly make him a head coach.

and it helps to have a top 8 cornerback, a solid linebacking core, and 3 probowl D-lineman. it would be hard not to do awesome with that kind of a lineup right there

Purple Floyd
09-05-2009, 01:43 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:



You think the Chiller just woke up this offseason and said, "Hey, I need a QB"........

No, I think Wilf and Spielman stepped in and told him they would either bring in BETTER QB's or a new coach and he got the hint.

"Marrdro" wrote:


Comeon my friend, this staff has been trying to fix the QB position since they got here.
Take a hard look at what has been available since Pepp caught an attitude and Foley screwed the Pooch in his firs (and last draft).

You mean you would rather have Lienart, Clemens or that headcase Cutler at QB? :o

"Marrdro" wrote:


My 2 cents for what its worth?



This is the most talented, well rounded Vikings team to fun out onto the gridiron for a long long time.
If we had a do-over on the 2006 draft (Rick instead of Foley) things would be different it would even be better.


How so? The whole key so far to where the team has gotten was the 2007 pick of Adrian Peterson. IMO the biggest problem with the QB was that they kept Jackson and waived Thigpen a few years back.

"Marrdro" wrote:


The Chiller and Rickie boy seem to work well together and have made some nice decisions.
I do see one issue coming up though.
It appears that Rickie has had a big say in trying to fix some of those 2006 draft issues as he (not the Chiller) was the major voice that brought Sage here and it appears the Chiller is the main voice (as well as the owners) who brought in LNAD.
It was a large number of FA players brought in at QB, WR and OL in the first 2 seasons that stunted the development of the team, not the draft picks.


"Marrdro" wrote:


This small issue can/could drive a wedge between the two when it comes to the contract discussions that will have to take place with TJ (Foley/Chiller Pick). Unless he is released. Then no problemo


"Marrdro" wrote:


Question is, does Rickie boy have more pull than the Chiller and will that small issue, along with a 1 and done (in the playoffs) be enough ammo for Rickie to get rid of the Chiller if he feels he needs to go.

I believe Spielman has more say than Childress.


"Marrdro" wrote:


Long story short, as I said, I think these two work well together.
I don't see either one of them trying to get rid of the other (even if the TJ contract talks go awry) and the Chiller will get his extension and will be the HC of the "Bowers Hill VA Vikings" next year and for many years to come.
;)

Could be. Or he might be gone in Dec.


"Marrdro" wrote:


(One caveat) - I still say his "New" approach to getting a team ready will have this team flat coming out of the gate, when in fact they need to come out and start fast.

Agreed. It will take 5-6 weeks to get into rythm on offense. Hopefully the defense can keep them undefeated until then.

battleaxe4cheese
09-05-2009, 03:02 PM
I think Spielman has done a good job with personnel and we have definitely made some improvements in the personnel department. Keep it up!

AKViking
09-06-2009, 12:40 PM
Guess I'd rather have Cowher or Shannihan. Gruden collects way too many worthless Qbs, which makes him indecisive on which one he should start when. I'd prefer Shannihan, simply for the fact that he has had numerous 1,000+ yard backs and he also drafted a good Qb. Love him or hate him, Cutler has done far more with less than most any other Qb in his class.


"Brad Childress recognized he needed to get a QB this offseason, He recognized the QB he had the past seasons were a hindrance to creating a championship level team."-SoonerBnB


As for Chilli acquiring Favre, and that supposedly showing he recognizes a hindrance... Well, I hope he and/or Bevell show that ability to adapt on game day. My main problem with Chilli is he doesn't seem to recognize that if it don't work the first twelve times.. it needs fixin. I don't give a Floop if you got the game all planned out, when the plan ain't workin, FIX IT! That means he needs to adapt within EACH and every game and/or series! I have yet to see that out of the Vikings since Chilli took over. Hell, I haven't seen it since Billick left. Until our coach can do that the Vikings will not win a S.B.

Marrdro
09-06-2009, 01:08 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


No, I think Wilf and Spielman stepped in and told him they would either bring in BETTER QB's or a new coach and he got the hint.

LOL, yea, thats how FO's really work, at least in Madden.

Spielman brought in his boy (Sage) and the Wilfs/Chiller brought in thier boy (Money Maker LNAD).

My guess is niether one of them is gonna work out.



You mean you would rather have Lienart, Clemens or that headcase Cutler at QB? :o
I'm torn on Clemens.
I still think he might turn into something if he was put in the right scenario.
Lienart has shown a bit more commitment this year and looks like he is getting it.
Cutler is still welcome at my door as well but I would ask him what the hell he was doing here first before I let him in.

If I were to rate the kids in that draft I wouldn't rate them much differently than what I had them in my draft....

Cutler
Clemens
Lienart
TJ

(Note: My rating of TJ and Clemens would only be that way cause I knew the Vikes worked them out.
Had no clue who either one of them were going into that draft otherwise.)


How so? The whole key so far to where the team has gotten was the 2007 pick of Adrian Peterson. IMO the biggest problem with the QB was that they kept Jackson and waived Thigpen a few years back.
Can't argue that.
Who drafted Thigpen?

Carefull how you answer.
;)
;D



It was a large number of FA players brought in at QB, WR and OL in the first 2 seasons that stunted the development of the team, not the draft picks.
What?
You lost me there.
Large number of FA players?


Here is a reminder of who/what was brought in at each position.
Don't see a plethera of QB, WR, or OLmen in there that had the special skills needed to supplant/stunt the development of anybody...... ::)

http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=Signed+by+Team&y=2006

http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=Signed+by+Team&y=2007


Unless he is released. Then no problemo
Again, what?
Did you read my post?



I believe Spielman has more say than Childress.
So do I.




Could be. Or he might be gone in Dec.
He'll have the full year if in fact he is going anywere.


Agreed. It will take 5-6 weeks to get into rythm on offense. Hopefully the defense can keep them undefeated until then.
Only if the Wall doesn't get suspended.

Purple Floyd
09-06-2009, 01:36 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:



LOL, yea, thats how FO's really work, at least in Madden.


Not sure what you mean. I have never seen or played madden so you lost me there.


"Marrdro" wrote:



Spielman brought in his boy (Sage) and the Wilfs/Chiller brought in thier boy (Money Maker LNAD).

They brought them in in both cases because the one that was there can't do the job. Either way competition is good and that is a far cry better than the likes of Bollinger, Holcolm etc.


"Marrdro" wrote:



My guess is niether one of them is gonna work out.


Which means we will have 3 QB's on the roster who won't work out. That would be a shame and a huge kick in the nutz for the staff to be that incompetent.


"Marrdro" wrote:



I'm torn on Clemens.
I still think he might turn into something if he was put in the right scenario.
Lienart has shown a bit more commitment this year and looks like he is getting it.
Cutler is still welcome at my door as well but I would ask him what the hell he was doing here first before I let him in.

If I were to rate the kids in that draft I wouldn't rate them much differently than what I had them in my draft....

Cutler
Clemens
Lienart
TJ

(Note: My rating of TJ and Clemens would only be that way cause I knew the Vikes worked them out.
Had no clue who either one of them were going into that draft otherwise.)


I would rate the last 3 as even because Cutler is the only one who has actually proven to excel at the postition.


"Marrdro" wrote:



Can't argue that.
Who drafted Thigpen?

Carefull how you answer.
;)
;D


No problem. Childress drafted him. Who was the dumbass that released him? Careful how you answer that one ;D



"Marrdro" wrote:



What?
You lost me there.
Large number of FA players?


Here is a reminder of who/what was brought in at each position.
Don't see a plethera of QB, WR, or OLmen in there that had the special skills needed to supplant/stunt the development of anybody...... ::)

http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=Signed+by+Team&y=2006

http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=Signed+by+Team&y=2007



Guys like

QB

McMahon
Henson
Bollinger
Holcolm
O'Sullivan
Detmer

WR

Pinkston
Bethel Johnson
Travis Taylor
Ferguson
.

Most of these guys aren't on your KFFL link so maybe they didn't exist ;) ;D




"Marrdro" wrote:



He'll have the full year if in fact he is going anywere.


Yes, but if it goes like you think it will with Brett, then Dec will be the end of the season which would make my comment correct ;D


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Marrdro
09-06-2009, 02:46 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Not sure what you mean. I have never seen or played madden so you lost me there.


My attempt at humor.
See, I still suck at it.



They brought them in in both cases because the one that was there can't do the job. Either way competition is good and that is a far cry better than the likes of Bollinger, Holcolm etc.
But you see, if one were to think deep about it and look at what was available, wasn't the Bollinger and Hocolmbs of the world the best available?

Seriously, we have had this discussion so many times.
You must agree that the state of the NFL QB hasn't really offered many "Prime" selections now has it.



Which means we will have 3 QB's on the roster who won't work out. That would be a shame and a huge kick in the nutz for the staff to be that incompetent.
I agree and if one were to really take the negative approach, there are nice points out there that could be used to convince people that that in fact might happen?

LNAD.
Face it, his arm is older, he took the short route to getting ready, and he has one less tendon.
Throw in the old rotator cuff injury and you might have a problem for a full schedule.

Sage.
I tried to be optimistic about this guy, but he looks worse that Gus.
Seriously, watch his ball fakes (he doesn't even try to get near the RB), watch his footwork in the pocket (he moves so slow).
And his decision making.......

TJ.
Can he read a defense?
What about his down field accuracy?
Will he throw the ball to the correct read (Can he read defenses)?

I believe alot of people on the Vikings organization are sweating this one.
;)



I would rate the last 3 as even because Cutler is the only one who has actually proven to excel at the postition.
Kindof feel the same way, however, I reserve the right to change that after this season.
I wanna see what he does with a OL that can't consistently provide him a pocket (keep him on his feet) and a marginal set of WR's (can't get separation).

Might revert to a TJish kindof production level.



No problem. Childress drafted him. Who was the dumbass that released him? Careful how you answer that one ;D
Foley drafted him, but only after Studwell and the Chiller got in a shouting match with him for missing on Cutler and Clemens.

Spielman released him, but only because the Coaching staff told them to.
What Spielman should have known was that someone had thier eyes on him.



Guys like

QB

McMahon
Henson
Bollinger
Holcolm
O'Sullivan
Detmer

WR

Pinkston
Bethel Johnson
Travis Taylor
Ferguson
.

Most of these guys aren't on your KFFL link so maybe they didn't exist ;) ;D
Pay close attention to the catagory I searched on KFFL.




Yes, but if it goes like you think it will with Brett, then Dec will be the end of the season which would make my comment correct ;D
Sort of, however, I think TJ is gonna save the season.
;)
;)
;)
;)

Vikefantam
09-08-2009, 08:39 AM
"tarkenton10" wrote:


My two choices would be

1.
The chin - Bill Cower
OR
2.
Mike Shanahan

in that order!


I like Cowher - he had good players but also seemed to be able to do a lot with a little.
I would pass on Shanahan.
However, at least on paper, the Vikes look pretty good.
If he has another winning season, I think the Bald Eagle will be here to stay for at least another year.

Articnv
09-08-2009, 08:41 AM
rather have the chin gruden just inherited a team dungy built

marshallvike
09-08-2009, 12:37 PM
"Articnv" wrote:


rather have the chin gruden just inherited a team dungy built


You are correct in that, except Dungy could not seem to get that team over the hump. Gruden won the super bowl with that squad, but lost two 1st round picks through no fault of his own. Dungy won the SB when he inherited a Jim Mora squad. Mora couldn't get them there. Callahan inherited a Gruden built team and took them farther than gruden could.
It is tough to discredit a coach who wins the Super Bowl