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Articnv
08-15-2009, 03:24 AM
Since i didn't see a post game thread i figured i would start one so with out further ado

(some of this is what i posted
in so who gets the starting job thread)

all i can comments what i saw
at this stage is who started with the 1st
string.
This is what seen when i was at work and was pouring drinks or cooking.

Sage -
2 failed 3rd downs = bad.
Drive
would realistically have
ended on the first failed 3rd down.

Same dump passes
= bad.

No real
indeterminate to deep passes cant gauge how well he would do at
passing them.

Didn't see in 5
or 7 step
passes

Also colts didn't play there
top 3 or 4 dbs (colts fan at the bar told me that)

AP -
nice to see him catch a ball but transition from catch to run wasn't smooth.
Ran good and didn't fumble always a plus.
Not sure
how well he did at pass blocking if he was in for some of them

Sullivan - Looked good
and didn't mess up an exchanges like i thought he would

Phil Loadholt - They seemed
to have back up to protect him.
Made a few mistakes and got beat
a couple times.
But
at this stage
i would say hes already better then Cook.

Defense looked good but then

again the colts
but then again the colts didn't play
Wayne or Clark and most of
first string offense played

only
6 snaps.
Manning was sacked
2 times that i senn

Special teams looked
good.

Deep punts good
coverage decent returns.
One penalty costed us
3 points

wish i woudl got to watch more of the game but
he i got to watch

some of the game and get payed for it

kevoncox
08-15-2009, 04:06 AM
"Articnv" wrote:


Since i didn't see a post game thread i figured i would start one so with out further ado

(some of this is what i posted
in so who gets the starting job thread)

all i can comments what i saw
at this stage is who started with the 1st
string.
This is what seen when i was at work and was pouring drinks or cooking.

Sage -
2 failed 3rd downs = bad.
Drive
would realistically have
ended on the first failed 3rd down.

Same dump passes
= bad.

No real
indeterminate to deep passes cant gauge how well he would do at
passing them.

Didn't see in 5
or 7 step
passes

Also colts didn't play there
top 3 or 4 dbs (colts fan at the bar told me that)

AP -
nice to see him catch a ball but transition from catch to run wasn't smooth.
Ran good and didn't fumble always a plus.
Not sure
how well he did at pass blocking if he was in for some of them

Sullivan - Looked good
and didn't mess up an exchanges like i thought he would

Phil Loadholt - They seemed
to have back up to protect him.
Made a few mistakes and got beat
a couple times.
But
at this stage
i would say hes already better then Cook.

Defense looked good but then

again the colts
but then again the colts didn't play
Wayne or Clark and most of
first string offense played

only
6 snaps.
Manning was sacked
2 times that i senn

Special teams looked
good.

Deep punts good
coverage decent returns.
One penalty costed us
3 points

wish i woudl got to watch more of the game but
he i got to watch

some of the game and get payed for it


Stop being so negative about Sage. He played a hell of a game. I believe that we would have one this game based on his play( if it was a regular season game)

BBQ Platypus
08-15-2009, 04:37 AM
Well, I don't put too much stock into preseason games, but I liked what I saw from our starters, for the most part.
Some thoughts:

Sage was efficient, and that first drive was nice.
Would've ended in a punt during the regular season, but he made some good throws.
I still don't know if we can trust him with the deep ball, though.
I didn't see him throw any deep passes, which he'll need to be able to do to keep opposing defenses from crowding the line.
At this point, I'd say he's made himself the front-runner as of right now.

Sullivan looked great out there - he was nailing pull blocks and doing well in pass protection.
I tell ya, he looks like he's been doing this for years.

Loadholt looked pretty good as well.
Certainly better than Cook.
You didn't hear his name called very often, which is a good sign.

Hoo boy, I forgot how much I missed Heath Farwell.
I think he's an even more important part of our special teams than we previously thought.
That guy is a beast out there.

It's a shame we didn't get to see Harvin, though.
Oh, well - we'll see him next week.

I didn't watch the backups play - I switched over to the Twins game as soon as we yanked 'em.

BigEasyViking
08-15-2009, 04:57 AM
In my personal opinion from just having watched the game on NFL network here is what I found:

Sage looked really good.
He made very quick desicions and threw most of his passes right where he needed to.
At this point it looks like it should be his job to lose.

Loadholt is a MONSTER.
Once he gets caught up with the speed of the Dlinemen he is goiing to be a force.
I feel a lot better with him in the lineup protecting our QB than COOK. :-X
Who btw was playing with the third string and still can't line up without jumping offsides or holding.
He could very well get cut!

It was very good to see EJ Henderson back in the lineup.
He is always around the ball when he is healthy.
I really think that our LB's are going to have a great year.
LOVE EM...

Tavaris Jackson really has a cannon but he can't hit an open man.
He just seems to panic in the pocket, and at this point I would rather have John David Booty in the lineup instead of T-Jack.


If we can get this type of pressure on QB's this year we are going to be a top 2 defense.
They were all over every Colts QB all night.


I am very excited in how good this team could be this year!
All in all a good showing for a first pre-season game!

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 08:16 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290814011

Minnesota quarterback Sage Rosenfels won this round.

And he finally beat the Colts.

Rosenfels looked sharp Friday night, leading the Vikings to scores on their first two series and a 13-3 victory over Indianapolis.

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 08:19 AM
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-10-166/Rosenfels-makes-a-statement.html

INDIANAPOLIS -- Even if you don't like drawing conclusions from a preseason opener, you would be hard-pressed to deny that Sage Rosenfels put on a critical and perhaps career-altering show Friday evening at Lucas Oil Stadium. That it came on a night when Tarvaris Jackson struggled with even the most basic of tasks, well, only adds another level to Minnesota's increasingly complex quarterback competition.

Marrdro
08-15-2009, 08:22 AM
What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.
::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.
;)

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 08:23 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/14/rosenfels-makes-a-solid-opening-statement/

Rosenfels makes a solid opening statement

Vikings quarterback Sage Rosenfels, getting the start in his team's preseason opener, completed ten of 13 passes and led the offense to ten points in two drives in a 13-3 win over the Colts on Friday night.

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 08:25 AM
http://skolvikes.blogspot.com/2009/08/vikes-top-colts-in-preseason-opener.html

Thanks to a solid outing by Vikings starting quarterback (for the game) Sage Rosenfels, the Minnesota Vikings defeated the Colts in Indianapolis 13-3 in the Preseason opener for both teams.

Rosenfels led the Vikes on a long first drive that included two fourth down conversions, to a touchdown. Chester Taylor had a great five yard sweep to the left side to put Minnesota up 7-0.

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 08:29 AM
http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=3166
Berrian taken off in cart

INDIANAPOLIS — Viking wide receiver Bernard Berrian was just taken off the field on a cart after appearing to injure his hamstring late in the first quarter.

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 08:31 AM
http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=3165

Defense starts strong too

The Vikings sacked Peyton Manning three times on the opening series

Marrdro
08-15-2009, 08:31 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=3166
Berrian taken off in cart

INDIANAPOLIS — Viking wide receiver Bernard Berrian was just taken off the field on a cart after appearing to injure his hamstring late in the first quarter.

Pussy.
Yet another year were he starts out dinged.
>:(

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 08:36 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=3166
Berrian taken off in cart

INDIANAPOLIS — Viking wide receiver Bernard Berrian was just taken off the field on a cart after appearing to injure his hamstring late in the first quarter.

Pussy.
Yet another year were he starts out dinged.
>:(



What is with guys like that? ;D

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/vikings/2009-08-01-camp-letter_N.htm?csp=34


Jackson suffered what the Associated Press reported was a sprained MCL in his left knee

ejmat
08-15-2009, 08:36 AM
"Articnv" wrote:


Since i didn't see a post game thread i figured i would start one so with out further ado

(some of this is what i posted
in so who gets the starting job thread)

all i can comments what i saw
at this stage is who started with the 1st
string.
This is what seen when i was at work and was pouring drinks or cooking.

Sage -
2 failed 3rd downs = bad.
Drive
would realistically have
ended on the first failed 3rd down.

Same dump passes
= bad.

No real
indeterminate to deep passes cant gauge how well he would do at
passing them.

Didn't see in 5
or 7 step
passes

Also colts didn't play there
top 3 or 4 dbs (colts fan at the bar told me that)

AP -
nice to see him catch a ball but transition from catch to run wasn't smooth.
Ran good and didn't fumble always a plus.
Not sure
how well he did at pass blocking if he was in for some of them

Sullivan - Looked good
and didn't mess up an exchanges like i thought he would

Phil Loadholt - They seemed
to have back up to protect him.
Made a few mistakes and got beat
a couple times.
But
at this stage
i would say hes already better then Cook.

Defense looked good but then

again the colts
but then again the colts didn't play
Wayne or Clark and most of
first string offense played

only
6 snaps.
Manning was sacked
2 times that i senn

Special teams looked
good.

Deep punts good
coverage decent returns.
One penalty costed us
3 points

wish i woudl got to watch more of the game but
he i got to watch

some of the game and get payed for it


Can't really agree with your assessment on Sage.
He was very efficient.
10 for 13 with at least 1 of them dropped by Kleinny.
He moved the chains well.
He converted two 4th down conversations one with a very nice touch to Shank.
IMO he outplayed TJ so far.
It is only a preseason game so I can't put a lot of stock in it.
TJ has pressure on him to win the job so it is his job to show he can come through under the pressure.
I did remember one play where JJ was wide open and TJ didn't find him.
He was under pressure but those are the type of plays a QB should make.
We'll see how things work themselves out.

Marrdro
08-15-2009, 08:40 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=3166
Berrian taken off in cart

INDIANAPOLIS — Viking wide receiver Bernard Berrian was just taken off the field on a cart after appearing to injure his hamstring late in the first quarter.

"meow".
Yet another year were he starts out dinged.

>:(



What is with guys like that? ;D

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/vikings/2009-08-01-camp-letter_N.htm?csp=34


Jackson suffered what the Associated Press reported was a sprained MCL in his left knee

Chiller coddles em to much.
Making them into "Flag" football players.
;D

battleaxe4cheese
08-15-2009, 08:53 AM
Jackson looked like a lost soul again. Seriously, why are we even trying to extend the the extension of the T-Jack experiment?

Marrdro
08-15-2009, 08:57 AM
"battleaxe4cheese" wrote:


Jackson looked like a lost soul again. Seriously, why are we even trying to extend the the extension of the T-Jack experiment?

Posts like that, are what keep me coming back for more.
;)

jorgie
08-15-2009, 09:00 AM
I thought our rookie right tackle did fairly well for his first NFL game. Errors, sure, but all in all pretty good.

Rosenfel looked much better than Travaris.

Sullivan did a decent job,

I think the coaches are taking to much control, we need a QB that can think. I almost fell on the floor when the Colts had most of their team on the line and Travaris still rann the ball. Uff Da!!!

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 09:01 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Articnv" wrote:


Since i didn't see a post game thread i figured i would start one so with out further ado

(some of this is what i posted
in so who gets the starting job thread)

all i can comments what i saw
at this stage is who started with the 1st
string.
This is what seen when i was at work and was pouring drinks or cooking.

Sage -
2 failed 3rd downs = bad.
Drive
would realistically have
ended on the first failed 3rd down.

Same dump passes
= bad.

No real
indeterminate to deep passes cant gauge how well he would do at
passing them.

Didn't see in 5
or 7 step
passes

Also colts didn't play there
top 3 or 4 dbs (colts fan at the bar told me that)

AP -
nice to see him catch a ball but transition from catch to run wasn't smooth.
Ran good and didn't fumble always a plus.
Not sure
how well he did at pass blocking if he was in for some of them

Sullivan - Looked good
and didn't mess up an exchanges like i thought he would

Phil Loadholt - They seemed
to have back up to protect him.
Made a few mistakes and got beat
a couple times.
But
at this stage
i would say hes already better then Cook.

Defense looked good but then
again the colts
but then again the colts didn't play
Wayne or Clark and most of
first string offense played
only
6 snaps.
Manning was sacked
2 times that i senn

Special teams looked
good.
Deep punts good
coverage decent returns.
One penalty costed us
3 points

wish i woudl got to watch more of the game but
he i got to watch
some of the game and get payed for it


Can't really agree with your assessment on Sage.
He was very efficient.
10 for 13 with at least 1 of them dropped by Kleinny.
He moved the chains well.
He converted two 4th down conversations one with a very nice touch to Shank.
IMO he outplayed TJ so far.
It is only a preseason game so I can't put a lot of stock in it.
TJ has pressure on him to win the job so it is his job to show he can come through under the pressure.
I did remember one play where JJ was wide open and TJ didn't find him.
He was under pressure but those are the type of plays a QB should make.
We'll see how things work themselves out.


The benefit to us in having Sage start this week and look good is that it will put lots of pressure on Jackson to perform as good or better next week. Handling pressure has been the biggest knock on TJ so this sets the stage very well to evaluate how he has learned to manage that pressure and play well when under it. It will be a fun game to watch.

And if our Defense can be as dominant as they looked last night..... Holy Balls this will be a fun year.

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 09:02 AM
"jorgie" wrote:


I thought our rookie right tackle did fairly well for his first NFL game. Errors, sure, but all in all pretty good.

Rosenfel looked much better than Travaris.

Sullivan did a decent job,

I think the coaches are taking to much control, we need a QB that can think. I almost fell on the floor when the Colts had most of their team on the line and Travaris still rann the ball. Uff Da!!!


You rang?

;D

ejmat
08-15-2009, 09:48 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Articnv" wrote:


Since i didn't see a post game thread i figured i would start one so with out further ado

(some of this is what i posted
in so who gets the starting job thread)

all i can comments what i saw
at this stage is who started with the 1st
string.
This is what seen when i was at work and was pouring drinks or cooking.

Sage -
2 failed 3rd downs = bad.
Drive
would realistically have
ended on the first failed 3rd down.

Same dump passes
= bad.

No real
indeterminate to deep passes cant gauge how well he would do at
passing them.

Didn't see in 5
or 7 step
passes

Also colts didn't play there
top 3 or 4 dbs (colts fan at the bar told me that)

AP -
nice to see him catch a ball but transition from catch to run wasn't smooth.
Ran good and didn't fumble always a plus.
Not sure
how well he did at pass blocking if he was in for some of them

Sullivan - Looked good
and didn't mess up an exchanges like i thought he would

Phil Loadholt - They seemed
to have back up to protect him.
Made a few mistakes and got beat
a couple times.
But
at this stage
i would say hes already better then Cook.

Defense looked good but then

again the colts
but then again the colts didn't play
Wayne or Clark and most of
first string offense played

only
6 snaps.
Manning was sacked
2 times that i senn

Special teams looked
good.

Deep punts good
coverage decent returns.
One penalty costed us
3 points

wish i woudl got to watch more of the game but
he i got to watch

some of the game and get payed for it


Can't really agree with your assessment on Sage.
He was very efficient.
10 for 13 with at least 1 of them dropped by Kleinny.
He moved the chains well.
He converted two 4th down conversations one with a very nice touch to Shank.
IMO he outplayed TJ so far.
It is only a preseason game so I can't put a lot of stock in it.
TJ has pressure on him to win the job so it is his job to show he can come through under the pressure.
I did remember one play where JJ was wide open and TJ didn't find him.
He was under pressure but those are the type of plays a QB should make.
We'll see how things work themselves out.


The benefit to us in having Sage start this week and look good is that it will put lots of pressure on Jackson to perform as good or better next week. Handling pressure has been the biggest knock on TJ so this sets the stage very well to evaluate how he has learned to manage that pressure and play well when under it. It will be a fun game to watch.

And if our Defense can be as dominant as they looked last night..... Holy Balls this will be a fun year.


I agree Uff.
Great post.
Next week when TJ gets the start we will see how he is able to handle the pressure.
It is up to him to show he can.
If he can't at least we know who the starter will be.
TJ should look better than Sage.
He hs more experience with this offense.
The fact he didn't even look half as good is what worries me about him.

BleedinPandG
08-15-2009, 10:13 AM
Seems like some of you guys missed the disclaimer in the ESPN article... Sage played with our first team against Colts secondary backups... TJ obviously played with our 2nd team... gotta take both sets of stats with a grain of salt...

Sage's completion % looked good, I like to see that... means he's putting the ball where it can be caught... the issue I saw through NFL.com was no throws down field... everything on NFL.com was labeled as "short".
He was getting knocked in training camp for always checking down, I fear he's still doing that.
Again, from NFL.com I saw TJ make 2 throws down field... both were incomplete (at least 1 was a good defensive play from what the announcer said).


Frankly, I'm glad Sage put up good stats.
I still believe this is TJ's job to lose.
Sage putting up a good performance should put additional pressure on TJ next week to perform at as high of a level with our starters.
Seeing him perform under that sort of pressure would help solidify his position, at least in my mind.
We'll see what happens, game on!

C Mac D
08-15-2009, 10:22 AM
One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.

NodakPaul
08-15-2009, 10:25 AM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


Seems like some of you guys missed the disclaimer in the ESPN article... Sage played with our first team against Colts secondary backups... TJ obviously played with our 2nd team... gotta take both sets of stats with a grain of salt...

Sage's completion % looked good, I like to see that... means he's putting the ball where it can be caught... the issue I saw through NFL.com was no throws down field... everything on NFL.com was labeled as "short".
He was getting knocked in training camp for always checking down, I fear he's still doing that.
Again, from NFL.com I saw TJ make 2 throws down field... both were incomplete (at least 1 was a good defensive play from what the announcer said).


Frankly, I'm glad Sage put up good stats.
I still believe this is TJ's job to lose.
Sage putting up a good performance should put additional pressure on TJ next week to perform at as high of a level with our starters.
Seeing him perform under that sort of pressure would help solidify his position, at least in my mind.
We'll see what happens, game on!


With respect, did you watch the game, or just look at stats on NFL.com?
You are right, Sage didn't take any shots downfield, but I don't think it was because he was hitting the checkdown.
With almost every play, he had the ball out quickly, and I am guessing that the short pass was the primary or secondary receiver.
Most of the passes to Shank were on crossing routes, not your typical checkdown in the flat or sitting over the middle.

TJack was off target on almost every deep pass.
There was one time when he threw the ball way behind Jaymar Johnson on a cross, and then went up and yelled at Jaymay after the play as if it was his fault.
Replays shows that Jaymar made a good cut and the ball was off target.
Blaming others for your mistakes is not what I want in a QB.
Of course, his fans blame everything on everyone else too, so maybe it fits...

;D
EDIT: Forgot to add the smiley, but that last part really was a joke...

NodakPaul
08-15-2009, 10:26 AM
"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


Actually, that is well put.
(We really got to stop agreeing so much).
People shouldn't make big deal out of TJack's performance, but at the same time they shouldn't take anything away from Sage.

In my mind, TJack's performance neither helped or hurt his chances, while Sage did help himself.

midgensa
08-15-2009, 10:27 AM
"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


:o
:o
:o
:o

Shocked for sure!
But you hit this one on the head. Sage looked good, no doubt ... and if he looks good again on Friday, it might be all over by Game 3.

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 10:28 AM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


Seems like some of you guys missed the disclaimer in the ESPN article... Sage played with our first team against Colts secondary backups... TJ obviously played with our 2nd team... gotta take both sets of stats with a grain of salt...

Sage's completion % looked good, I like to see that... means he's putting the ball where it can be caught... the issue I saw through NFL.com was no throws down field... everything on NFL.com was labeled as "short".
He was getting knocked in training camp for always checking down, I fear he's still doing that.
Again, from NFL.com I saw TJ make 2 throws down field... both were incomplete (at least 1 was a good defensive play from what the announcer said).


Frankly, I'm glad Sage put up good stats.
I still believe this is TJ's job to lose.
Sage putting up a good performance should put additional pressure on TJ next week to perform at as high of a level with our starters.
Seeing him perform under that sort of pressure would help solidify his position, at least in my mind.
We'll see what happens, game on!


I am not worried about pushing the ball down the field. After all, this is the WCO and the progression of the reads goes from the short routes to the deeper ones and this tells me Sage was identifying the correct match up and getting on it quickly. That is what is needed. You could see when TJ was in there he had hesitation which led him to hold the ball too long and was indecisive.

One thing though that I am concerned about is that it still looks like the play calling is not aggressive enough once we get inside the 40. I really believe we should have had Sage take a shot at the end zone once we got to the 40 but instead we pulled back and ran the ball. That has been a complaint of mine under Childress and Bevell and hopefully they will get out of that mentality.

Mr Anderson
08-15-2009, 10:38 AM
Shiancoe and the front 4 truly impressed.

The rest of the team played about as I expeted, and knowing what some of the matchups were like I cannot accurately evaluate, e.g our starting secondary vs. the receivers the Colts fielded.

E.J. Henderson appears to be back up to speed, I'm really excited to watch our defense play this season.


And how about the leg on that McAfee punter? Holy shit.
Giordano's open field tackle on Peterson(on the play where he caught the ball, see some of you people didn't think he could) that was impressive.

Jilly
08-15-2009, 10:53 AM
Just got a chance to see the game. I'll leave the analysis up to you guys, I was just pumped to see the team back on the field....another week closer to the regular season.

Any word on BB's injury?

NodakPaul
08-15-2009, 11:04 AM
"VikingMD" wrote:


Just got a chance to see the game. I'll leave the analysis up to you guys, I was just pumped to see the team back on the field....another week closer to the regular season.

Any word on BB's injury?


He was limping when he left the locker room last night.
Childress has no comment.
Hopefully they don't rush him back.
I would rather have him ready for the regular season.

jessejames09
08-15-2009, 11:14 AM
I was really impressed with Sage and Sullivan, both were in a good little rhythm, and the passing game was flowing. Sid, Shank and even JJ also played well. Not sure I'm a big fan of Jaymar on punt returns though.

Like Marrdro said Albert Young had a couple nice carries. It says on NFL.com Johnson had 50 yards as well, how did he look? I couldn't stay up for the 2nd half, it was 3 am already...

Asher Allen isn't as far along as I was hoping, but remember how long it took Griff to master the cover 2? Asher has the coverage abilities, he just had troubles getting off blocks and making the key tackles. Hopefully some time spent studying AW will improve that.

Oh and I hope Tyrell Johnson's arm-tackling days are over. That was pathetic... At least he made up for it by laying out a receiver going over the middle.

C Mac D
08-15-2009, 11:21 AM
If Tyrell Johnson is really not playing well, I hope Childress gives Jamarca Sanford a chance to show what he's got. His name popped up a few times in camp.

jessejames09
08-15-2009, 11:23 AM
"C" wrote:


If Tyrell Johnson is really not playing well, I hope Childress gives Jamarca Sanford a chance to show what he's got. His name popped up a few times in camp.


He missed one tackle, albeit he looked stupid, It's no real cause for concern.

NordicNed
08-15-2009, 11:34 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"BleedinPandG" wrote:


Seems like some of you guys missed the disclaimer in the ESPN article... Sage played with our first team against Colts secondary backups... TJ obviously played with our 2nd team... gotta take both sets of stats with a grain of salt...

Sage's completion % looked good, I like to see that... means he's putting the ball where it can be caught... the issue I saw through NFL.com was no throws down field... everything on NFL.com was labeled as "short".
He was getting knocked in training camp for always checking down, I fear he's still doing that.
Again, from NFL.com I saw TJ make 2 throws down field... both were incomplete (at least 1 was a good defensive play from what the announcer said).


Frankly, I'm glad Sage put up good stats.
I still believe this is TJ's job to lose.
Sage putting up a good performance should put additional pressure on TJ next week to perform at as high of a level with our starters.
Seeing him perform under that sort of pressure would help solidify his position, at least in my mind.
We'll see what happens, game on!


With respect, did you watch the game, or just look at stats on NFL.com?
You are right, Sage didn't take any shots downfield, but I don't think it was because he was hitting the checkdown.
With almost every play, he had the ball out quickly, and I am guessing that the short pass was the primary or secondary receiver.
Most of the passes to Shank were on crossing routes, not your typical checkdown in the flat or sitting over the middle.

TJack was off target on almost every deep pass.
There was one time when he threw the ball way behind Jaymar Johnson on a cross, and then went up and yelled at Jaymay after the play as if it was his fault.
Replays shows that Jaymar made a good cut and the ball was off target.
Blaming others for your mistakes is not what I want in a QB.
Of course, his fans blame everything on everyone else too, so maybe it fits...

;D
EDIT: Forgot to add the smiley, but that last part really was a joke...



Nodak,
I caught that also....Thats way out of line and just shows me how much TJ was lacking confidence in himself.... He was very fustraded at that point, but you don't walk up to a player and chew him out while he's walking back to the huddle, just because you threw a shitty pass...









My take,









Sage= Solid B for the game









TJ= D+









Booty= B

NordicNed
08-15-2009, 11:36 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


If Tyrell Johnson is really not playing well, I hope Childress gives Jamarca Sanford a chance to show what he's got. His name popped up a few times in camp.


He missed one tackle, albeit he looked stupid, It's no real cause for concern.


He looked solid on a number of plays also....How come no one wants to mention that fact....One missed tackle and he had a bad game?????
This kid is going to be a very good player, and a Viking for many years I hope.

jessejames09
08-15-2009, 11:43 AM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


If Tyrell Johnson is really not playing well, I hope Childress gives Jamarca Sanford a chance to show what he's got. His name popped up a few times in camp.


He missed one tackle, albeit he looked stupid, It's no real cause for concern.


He looked solid on a number of plays also....How come no one wants to mention that fact....One missed tackle and he had a bad game?????
This kid is going to be a very good player, and a Viking for many years I hope.


Who said he had a bad game?

I said this..

Oh and I hope Tyrell Johnson's arm-tackling days are over. That was pathetic... At least he made up for it by laying out a receiver going over the middle.

I guess C Mac took that as Tyrell having a bad game.

PurpleTide
08-15-2009, 12:59 PM
All in all, a pretty good start to the season. The guys know that there is much work to do, but a road win, even in pre-season is a great way to start. I like that Sage is bumping the competition with Tarvaris up a notch. We'll see next week if TJ can bounce back with a strong showing with the first string.

On a side note, does anybody really know what TJ, and Jaymar where talking about? JJ could have run something different than what was called. Maybe it was a comback route or he made his cut at the wrong debth, we simply don't know. Let the players communicate without putting words in their mouths.

Jimmymeboy
08-15-2009, 01:02 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"Articnv" wrote:


Since i didn't see a post game thread i figured i would start one so with out further ado

(some of this is what i posted
in so who gets the starting job thread)

all i can comments what i saw
at this stage is who started with the 1st
string.
This is what seen when i was at work and was pouring drinks or cooking.

Sage -
2 failed 3rd downs = bad.
Drive
would realistically have
ended on the first failed 3rd down.

Same dump passes
= bad.

No real
indeterminate to deep passes cant gauge how well he would do at
passing them.

Didn't see in 5
or 7 step
passes

Also colts didn't play there
top 3 or 4 dbs (colts fan at the bar told me that)

AP -
nice to see him catch a ball but transition from catch to run wasn't smooth.
Ran good and didn't fumble always a plus.
Not sure
how well he did at pass blocking if he was in for some of them

Sullivan - Looked good
and didn't mess up an exchanges like i thought he would

Phil Loadholt - They seemed
to have back up to protect him.
Made a few mistakes and got beat
a couple times.
But
at this stage
i would say hes already better then Cook.

Defense looked good but then

again the colts
but then again the colts didn't play
Wayne or Clark and most of
first string offense played

only
6 snaps.
Manning was sacked
2 times that i senn

Special teams looked
good.

Deep punts good
coverage decent returns.
One penalty costed us
3 points

wish i woudl got to watch more of the game but
he i got to watch

some of the game and get payed for it


Stop being so negative about Sage. He played a hell of a game. I believe that we would have one this game based on his play( if it was a regular season game)


Exactly!
Don't be so negative!!

ejmat
08-15-2009, 02:17 PM
"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


I can't believe my f---ing eyes.
Nice post CMac.
You are right.
It is what it is.
There's still a long way to go in the competition.
Right now it's Sage - 1, TJ - 0.
TJ has the opportunity next week to tie it back up.
Let's see how he does.

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 02:25 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


I can't believe my f---ing eyes.
Nice post CMac.
You are right.
It is what it is.
There's still a long way to go in the competition.
Right now it's Sage - 1,Booty .5, TJ - 0.
TJ has the opportunity next week to tie it back up.
Let's see how he does.



Edited it for you ;D

V4L
08-15-2009, 02:25 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


I can't believe my f---ing eyes.
Nice post CMac.
You are right.
It is what it is.
There's still a long way to go in the competition.
Right now it's Sage - 1,Booty .5, TJ - 0.
TJ has the opportunity next week to tie it back up.
Let's see how he does.



Edited it for you ;D


Hahaha :)

V-Unit
08-15-2009, 02:42 PM
Here are my thoughts.

- Sage was incredibly efficient. Even his incompletions were right on target.
- Peterson and Taylor are so so sweet. Taylor played like a rockstar.
- I was disappointed that we didn't test our offensive rookies more. No Harvin. Loadholt played but we never ran to his side with the first unit.
- Dominant defense. Ray Edwards was awesome. Anyone still think that Robison or Udeze should start over him?
- Winny, Griff, Williams, and Pwill hardly played at all.
- Tyrell Johnson looks like the worst guy on an elite unit. I'm not saying he's bad, but it will be interesting to see if he can elevate his game to make our defense utterly unstoppable.
- Asher Allen, I was a bit of a hater, but he played well.
- Indy's Punter was way too good. I wanted to see Jaymar's skills but that was impossible. At least he ddn't muff any of those balls.
- Slow start for TJ. He still looks nervous and I think that contributed to his other problems.
- Hoo Boy! The most interesting battle right now is by far for 3rd string RB. Both Young and Johnson looked GOOD.
- Brad Chilldress. What the fuck are you wearing?
- Brad Childress. Will you please fucking shave?
- Shank was awesome. Otherwise we saw nothing from any of our receivers. I solid game by a guy like Rice, Mills, or Johnson would have been nice.
- Our screen pass is starting to work. Finally.
- AD had some nice pass blocks.
- Some are saying we would have punted on our TD drive. I disagree.
- Not putting points on the board at the end of that game was ridicuous. At least give Melhaff another chance to score.
- Speaking of Melhaff, that was an awesome kickoff. Make me question Longwell's kickoff leg a bit...damn you Marrdro.
- On that botched Shotgun snap, was that TJ's fault or the center's fault? I think it was TJ. But if I say that too loud I'll be labeled a hater.
- Fuck it! I don't care if that ball was snapped unexpectedly. It was right to you! Catch freaking snap!
- Too many penalties in the second half.
- NFL Network gave me an update with the final score of the game I was currently watching. WTF?

I'll end with some camp battle thoughts.
- The edge goes to Sage right now.
- 3rd RB battle is incredibly even.
- Jaymar Johnson is being reported to have that last WR spot, but did h do anything to solidify that?
- Write Loadholt's name in pen when it comes to starting RT.
- McCauley had a few plays, but I say give the Nickle CB spot to Allen.
- Do we need to rethink the absolute confidence that the coaches have in Tyrell Johnson?

It's just one game people. One preseason game. No need to overreact. I'll be handing out grains of salt all week.

Purple Floyd
08-15-2009, 02:58 PM
The defense was amazing last night. Hell, 3 sacks on Manning were about all you could ask for. That sack by Edwards on the first play was spectacular and it set the pace for the game.

I really believe we have a chance at seeing the best defense we have had in decades this year barring injury to key players. If we can keep this unit healthy it will be fun to watch them wreak havoc on the NFC Central QB's they face.

The Dropper
08-15-2009, 03:10 PM
Great post, V. You put down a lot of my same thoughts. Just a couple comments.

"V" wrote:


Here are my thoughts.
- Hoo Boy! The most interesting battle right now is by far for 3rd string RB. Both Young and Johnson looked GOOD.
Seriously. I love thinking back at how weak we were at RB between Robert Smith and Chester Taylor, and how ridiculously stacked we are now. Personally, I'm cheering for Ian at the moment, if for no other reason than I think it would be awesome to have two of the key players playing on the Vikes from one of the greatest football games I've ever watched (Fiesta Bowl '07, of course).

"V" wrote:


- Brad Childress. Will you please fucking shave?

Oh, I don't know. You have to admit that at least the beard makes him look less like a child molester.
:D

"V" wrote:


- Some are saying we would have punted on our TD drive. I disagree.
I posted about this earlier. I think we would have gone for it in a regular season on the second fourth down (when just a few yards from being in field goal range), but I'm less sure on the first one.

"V" wrote:


- Speaking of Melhaff, that was an awesome kickoff. Make me question Longwell's kickoff leg a bit...damn you Marrdro.
Longwell's kickoffs last night were atrocious. I would never usually be in favor of keeping a kickoff specialist, but I'm coming around.

"V" wrote:


- NFL Network gave me an update with the final score of the game I was currently watching. WTF?
That was fucking ridiculous. Seriously, why would you show that there's only one field goal scored in the entire rest of the game if you want people to keep watching?

snowinapril
08-15-2009, 03:41 PM
"V" wrote:


Here are my thoughts.

- Sage was incredibly efficient. Even his incompletions were right on target.
- Peterson and Taylor are so so sweet. Taylor played like a rockstar.
- I was disappointed that we didn't test our offensive rookies more. No Harvin. Loadholt played but we never ran to his side with the first unit.
- Dominant defense. Ray Edwards was awesome. Anyone still think that Robison or Udeze should start over him?
- Winny, Griff, Williams, and Pwill hardly played at all.
- Tyrell Johnson looks like the worst guy on an elite unit. I'm not saying he's bad, but it will be interesting to see if he can elevate his game to make our defense utterly unstoppable.
- Asher Allen, I was a bit of a hater, but he played well.
- Indy's Punter was way too good. I wanted to see Jaymar's skills but that was impossible. At least he ddn't muff any of those balls.
- Slow start for TJ. He still looks nervous and I think that contributed to his other problems.
- Hoo Boy! The most interesting battle right now is by far for 3rd string RB. Both Young and Johnson looked GOOD.
- Brad Chilldress. What the floop are you wearing?
- Brad Childress. Will you please fricken shave?
- Shank was awesome. Otherwise we saw nothing from any of our receivers. I solid game by a guy like Rice, Mills, or Johnson would have been nice.
- Our screen pass is starting to work. Finally.
- AD had some nice pass blocks.
- Some are saying we would have punted on our TD drive. I disagree.
- Not putting points on the board at the end of that game was ridicuous. At least give Melhaff another chance to score.
- Speaking of Melhaff, that was an awesome kickoff. Make me question Longwell's kickoff leg a bit...gol 'darnit you Marrdro.
- On that botched Shotgun snap, was that TJ's fault or the center's fault? I think it was TJ. But if I say that too loud I'll be labeled a hater.
- floop it! I don't care if that ball was snapped unexpectedly. It was right to you! Catch freaking snap!
- Too many penalties in the second half.
- NFL Network gave me an update with the final score of the game I was currently watching. WTF?

I'll end with some camp battle thoughts.
- The edge goes to Sage right now.
- 3rd RB battle is incredibly even.
- Jaymar Johnson is being reported to have that last WR spot, but did h do anything to solidify that?
- Write Loadholt's name in pen when it comes to starting RT.
- McCauley had a few plays, but I say give the Nickle CB spot to Allen.
- Do we need to rethink the absolute confidence that the coaches have in Tyrell Johnson?

It's just one game people. One preseason game. No need to overreact. I'll be handing out grains of salt all week.


That was a mouth-full (page-full) for one preseason game.


Good post!

I first of all have to say I love HD TV!
I disliked the Colts announcers that were even getting there own team mixed up not to mention our beloved Nafahu TooHoo, Nofuhu Taffy, Nobu Tahi.........

I am going to address the Blue items, I strongly agree with the Purple items.

Give Chilly a break, that is his new fist full of playbook (dollars) look or Dirty Brad look.
He is not going to take crap from anyone, especially you!
"Ya you!
You looking at me Punk!"
LOL!
Seriously though, he looks like he has a swagger and a mission on that sideline.
JMHO!


I would hope that if we had our starting ST unit in there, the one made up with guys from the 53 man roster, those kicks would have been what they call, "outkicking the coverage."
Or was McAffe's hang time the good.

Rice did snatch one out of the air that I was impressed with.
The opps were limited IMHO.

ejmat
08-15-2009, 03:47 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


I can't believe my f---ing eyes.
Nice post CMac.
You are right.
It is what it is.
There's still a long way to go in the competition.
Right now it's Sage - 1,Booty .5, TJ - 0.
TJ has the opportunity next week to tie it back up.
Let's see how he does.



Edited it for you ;D


LOL.
Maybe true Uff.
He did look comfortable

snowinapril
08-15-2009, 04:57 PM
I thought that Jamarca, Jasper, and Johnson put in some plays that were worthy of giving them a shout out.


Looked like Jasper was in charge calling the plays in the huddle.

Overall, we did well on D, even in garbage time.

Oh, Frampton was all over special teams and in a few D plays as well.
Who?
Frampton!
Not sure if he makes the final cut but he deserves to be mentioned.

alexfandrich
08-15-2009, 05:00 PM
i'm just excited that there are new vikings highlights to watch, regardless of who is playing

snowinapril
08-16-2009, 12:25 PM
"The" wrote:


"V" wrote:


- NFL Network gave me an update with the final score of the game I was currently watching. WTF?
That was fricken ridiculous. Seriously, why would you show that there's only one field goal scored in the entire rest of the game if you want people to keep watching?



It is preseason!
Ironing out the kinks!

Their commercial for the Vikings - Chiefs game was wrong, it said tomorrow or something like that when it is next week.
LOL!

Freakout
08-16-2009, 01:24 PM
Pat Mcaffe has a very strong leg.
I got to watch him at WVU during his college career.
He had a unusual kicking style but could still kick the living crap out of the ball.
On the other hand he choked enough times on field goals at WVU to officially peg himself as strictly a kick off / punter type.

Vikestand
08-16-2009, 03:26 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"The" wrote:


"V" wrote:


- NFL Network gave me an update with the final score of the game I was currently watching. WTF?
That was fricken ridiculous. Seriously, why would you show that there's only one field goal scored in the entire rest of the game if you want people to keep watching?



It is preseason!
Ironing out the kinks!

Their commercial for the Vikings - Chiefs game was wrong, it said tomorrow or something like that when it is next week.
LOL!




God I hate the NFL Network.....

Big C
08-16-2009, 04:16 PM
Sage: Sage was solid with the 1st string offense. I was very happy to see him establish a solid rapport with Shancoe. Shancoe is our most reliable pass catcher at the moment, so it's good to see Sage put that talent to use. TJ was horrible with the 2nd stringers, but the O-Line and WRs didn't help him out either. Very curious to see him play with the 1st string offense next week. The biggest difference to me was that Sage look composed and confident. TJ looked jittery and desperate. Lets see how that plays out next week when their supporting cast is exchanged.

Sullivan: Sullivan was rock solid. I saw a couple of big rushing plays with Sully hustling and blocking down field. I was really really impressed with him.

Loadholt: I was a little dissapointed with how frequently Loadholt got beaten by speed rushers. I heard that he had problems with Ray Edwards in training camp, but was a little surprised to see him get beaten by 2nd and 3rd string defenders with speed. Then I saw Ryan Cool false-start twice with 3rd stringers and felt much better :).

Special Teams: Special teams came to play. I saw more consistency from them than I have seen in a couple of years. Good to have Farwell back and see Frampton still play strong. Glen Holt made the play of the game to force the fumble on the punt return. I was happy to see Kluwe punt the crap out of the ball again and was impressed with the backup kickers leg.

Defense: Wow. Defense was solid all game except for that drive that Donald Brown had a couple of big runs on. Kudos to Jayme Mitchell for chasing down Brown on that bug run. Great hustle for a DE. Jasper Brinkley is catching my eye. McCauley made a nice play. Heard Asher Allen's name get called on a couple of tackles. Tyrell Johnson was OK in my eyes. Whiffed on an open field tackle on Addai and made up for it with a solid tackle on a receiver soon after.

Backup RB: Albert Young and Ian Johnson made very strong cases for a 3rd RB. I believe Young will earn the spot and Ian might sneak in to the practice squad. Chestor Taylor is the man. He should get a few more touches during the season. He is not AP, but is versatile enough to open the playbook to a lot more variety.

Jaymar Johnson: I am very impressed with Jaymar Johnson. Looks very smooth and showed some great hands on the pass or two he caught. I can understand why Allison's roster spot was challenged. I really hope this kid makes it as our #5 WR and Reynaud makes it as the KR with a few WR packages. I really like both of these receivers.

Childress: Love the beard. Can't explain it. Kudos to Childress for having the entire roster ready to play football. I was worried about our intensity with a relatively tame training camp, but the entire team, all the way down to the 3rd stringers were focused and ready play. We looked like the defending NFC North champions. We were prepared. We were composed. We dominated. Nice job coach. It's only pre-season, but you have to give credit where it is due.

marstc09
08-16-2009, 10:04 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.

::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.

;)


WOW! Really?! A rookie in his first preseason game getting 1 penalty?! How about a worthless 3 year man getting 2! Load looked great for a rookie. Didn't even look like one. Very impressed with this YOUNG man.
::)

How about Farwell! LOL at those who thought he would not make a huge difference.

marstc09
08-16-2009, 10:11 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"BleedinPandG" wrote:


Seems like some of you guys missed the disclaimer in the ESPN article... Sage played with our first team against Colts secondary backups... TJ obviously played with our 2nd team... gotta take both sets of stats with a grain of salt...

Sage's completion % looked good, I like to see that... means he's putting the ball where it can be caught... the issue I saw through NFL.com was no throws down field... everything on NFL.com was labeled as "short".
He was getting knocked in training camp for always checking down, I fear he's still doing that.
Again, from NFL.com I saw TJ make 2 throws down field... both were incomplete (at least 1 was a good defensive play from what the announcer said).


Frankly, I'm glad Sage put up good stats.
I still believe this is TJ's job to lose.
Sage putting up a good performance should put additional pressure on TJ next week to perform at as high of a level with our starters.
Seeing him perform under that sort of pressure would help solidify his position, at least in my mind.
We'll see what happens, game on!


With respect, did you watch the game, or just look at stats on NFL.com?
You are right, Sage didn't take any shots downfield, but I don't think it was because he was hitting the checkdown.
With almost every play, he had the ball out quickly, and I am guessing that the short pass was the primary or secondary receiver.
Most of the passes to Shank were on crossing routes, not your typical checkdown in the flat or sitting over the middle.

TJack was off target on almost every deep pass.
There was one time when he threw the ball way behind Jaymar Johnson on a cross, and then went up and yelled at Jaymay after the play as if it was his fault.
Replays shows that Jaymar made a good cut and the ball was off target.
Blaming others for your mistakes is not what I want in a QB.
Of course, his fans blame everything on everyone else too, so maybe it fits...

;D
EDIT: Forgot to add the smiley, but that last part really was a joke...


I was also impressed with the quick release of Sage. He is a poor mans Favre but I will take it over confusion anyday.

V4L
08-16-2009, 10:21 PM
Apon further review.. EVEN in my drunken state at the moment.. Sage looked GREAT

Keep that up in teh regular season and i'll have no complaints

If he turns into the gunslinger that can't complete a deep pass i'll be pissed

but this game he deserved 100 percent of the credit he got

Formo
08-16-2009, 10:23 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.

::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.

;)


WOW! Really?! A rookie in his first preseason game getting 1 penalty?! How about a worthless 3 year man getting 2! Load looked great for a rookie. Didn't even look like one. Very impressed with this YOUNG man.
::)

How about Farwell! LOL at those who thought he would not make a huge difference.


+1 Mars.

Formo
08-16-2009, 10:26 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"BleedinPandG" wrote:


Seems like some of you guys missed the disclaimer in the ESPN article... Sage played with our first team against Colts secondary backups... TJ obviously played with our 2nd team... gotta take both sets of stats with a grain of salt...

Sage's completion % looked good, I like to see that... means he's putting the ball where it can be caught... the issue I saw through NFL.com was no throws down field... everything on NFL.com was labeled as "short".
He was getting knocked in training camp for always checking down, I fear he's still doing that.
Again, from NFL.com I saw TJ make 2 throws down field... both were incomplete (at least 1 was a good defensive play from what the announcer said).


Frankly, I'm glad Sage put up good stats.
I still believe this is TJ's job to lose.
Sage putting up a good performance should put additional pressure on TJ next week to perform at as high of a level with our starters.
Seeing him perform under that sort of pressure would help solidify his position, at least in my mind.
We'll see what happens, game on!


With respect, did you watch the game, or just look at stats on NFL.com?
You are right, Sage didn't take any shots downfield, but I don't think it was because he was hitting the checkdown.
With almost every play, he had the ball out quickly, and I am guessing that the short pass was the primary or secondary receiver.
Most of the passes to Shank were on crossing routes, not your typical checkdown in the flat or sitting over the middle.

TJack was off target on almost every deep pass.
There was one time when he threw the ball way behind Jaymar Johnson on a cross, and then went up and yelled at Jaymay after the play as if it was his fault.
Replays shows that Jaymar made a good cut and the ball was off target.
Blaming others for your mistakes is not what I want in a QB.
Of course, his fans blame everything on everyone else too, so maybe it fits...

;D
EDIT: Forgot to add the smiley, but that last part really was a joke...




Nodak,

I caught that also....Thats way out of line and just shows me how much TJ was lacking confidence in himself.... He was very fustraded at that point, but you don't walk up to a player and chew him out while he's walking back to the huddle, just because you threw a shitty pass...









My take,










Sage= Solid B for the game









TJ= D+









Booty= B


I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that play.
I thought it was Jaymar's fault, until seeing the replay.
T-Jack was 100% at fault for that one, and him getting in the grill of his receiver shows his inability to handle his frustration.
I know T-jack is a winner..
but c'mon man.
You aren't even CLOSE to talented enough to call out your WR for a piss-poor toss like that.

El Vikingo
08-17-2009, 05:27 AM
I have to say Sage impressed me
with his timing and accuracy ,he completed about 75 % of his passes and the ones he didn´t were on target
too ,in the other hand TJ looked flat with problems to make good decisions,it is clear Rosenfels won this battle ,,the Qb dilema is a little more clear.

We looked like a very solid team in general terms,our D keeps rocking,our running game keeps being amazing(including that new 2 players,Young and Jonshon)
etc..

A really encouraging beggining

singersp
08-17-2009, 06:46 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


Actually, that is well put.
(We really got to stop agreeing so much).
People shouldn't make big deal out of TJack's performance, but at the same time they shouldn't take anything away from Sage.

In my mind, TJack's performance neither helped or hurt his chances, while Sage did help himself.


Yet they are doing just that. At the same time they shouldn't be making a big deal out of Sage's good debut either. It was one quarter of play and you of all people should know that if 5 regular seasons of play isn't a big enough sample size, then 1 quarter of play certainly doesn't qualify.

He played good in that quarter of play. I've stated that before as well as stated TJ didn't look that good. When I bring up facts that surround both of their performances, you label me as an apologist.

10-13 passes is good play in my book, however all those passes were under 15 yards. TJ had some longer passes that were not caught as well as had drops, which made the completion % look much worse than what it was. Jimmy K. also dropped a pass from Sage that should have made him 8-11.

With that said, I still don't think TJ would have completed those those same 10-13 passes had he been in as starter under the same exact circumstances. He did have balls that were off target.

People are still getting too worked up over the "JJ was wide open 15 yards down field" or "TJ's not making his reads" or "Sage is checking down". Let's not forget this is preseason & certain plays are called in from the bench that are to get certain players involved
& be run to see how well they are executed. It doesn't matter if a WR is open down the field if the play called in is a slant to Shiancoe. That's the play the coaches want to see executed.

I'm not knocking Sage for the short passes, merely pointing out that they were short passes & that the comp. % should be high. I believe Sage was throwing those short passes because that is what was called in.

I'd certainly like to see Childress/Bevell call in some longer throws for Sage to see how he performs. That's were he gets into the most trouble throwing INT's & preseason is the best time to be taking those shots to test & measure the QB's ability. INT's are my only concern with Sage & in Childress' conservative playing style, we can't afford to have Sage throwing 30 INT's this season. (He had 10 in 6 games last year). I also hope when Sage does get his time next Friday that Childress doesn't call 14 running plays to Young either. That was a huge waste of preseason evaluation, IMO.

At the end of the day however, I'm not to concerned over who gets the start. I will be concerned if Sage throws several picks & he's kept on the field.

Let's not forget that regardless of which QB wins the competition, the other one will still make the roster & can come in, should the starter falter.

That wasn't the case a few weeks ago when Favre was in the picture. Had Favre signed, we risked letting either Sage or TJ go. If one had to go, I'd would have wanted us to stay with TJ over Sage, because I see more possible upside with Jackson, than I do with Sage who has been in the league for 8 years already & TJ protects the ball much better than Sage does. I don't think his INT problems miraculously went away by signing with the Vikings. It remains to be seen.

Again, regardless of who starts, both QB's will make the roster. There shouldn't be any major worries by anyone. If Sage starts throwing picks, TJ will be brought in. If TJ continues to look sloppy, then Sage will be brought in. Had Favre been brought in & played sloppy & threw picks, IMO, Childress still would have rode that horse for 16 games.

I'm just happy we have the QB competition that we do have. Now lets see what we can do the rest of the preseason before crowning a starter.

NodakPaul
08-17-2009, 09:04 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


Actually, that is well put.
(We really got to stop agreeing so much).
People shouldn't make big deal out of TJack's performance, but at the same time they shouldn't take anything away from Sage.

In my mind, TJack's performance neither helped or hurt his chances, while Sage did help himself.


Yet they are doing just that. At the same time they shouldn't be making a big deal out of Sage's good debut either. It was one quarter of play and you of all people should know that if 5 regular seasons of play isn't a big enough sample size, then 1 quarter of play certainly doesn't qualify.

He played good in that quarter of play. I've stated that before as well as stated TJ didn't look that good. When I bring up facts that surround both of their performances, you label me as an apologist.

10-13 passes is good play in my book, however all those passes were under 15 yards. TJ had some longer passes that were not caught as well as had drops, which made the completion % look much worse than what it was. Jimmy K. also dropped a pass from Sage that should have made him 8-11.

With that said, I still don't think TJ would have completed those those same 10-13 passes had he been in as starter under the same exact circumstances. He did have balls that were off target.

People are still getting too worked up over the "JJ was wide open 15 yards down field" or "TJ's not making his reads" or "Sage is checking down". Let's not forget this is preseason & certain plays are called in from the bench that are to get certain players involved
& be run to see how well they are executed. It doesn't matter if a WR is open down the field if the play called in is a slant to Shiancoe. That's the play the coaches want to see executed.

I'm not knocking Sage for the short passes, merely pointing out that they were short passes & that the comp. % should be high. I believe Sage was throwing those short passes because that is what was called in.

I'd certainly like to see Childress/Bevell call in some longer throws for Sage to see how he performs. That's were he gets into the most trouble throwing INT's & preseason is the best time to be taking those shots to test & measure the QB's ability. INT's are my only concern with Sage & in Childress' conservative playing style, we can't afford to have Sage throwing 30 INT's this season. (He had 10 in 6 games last year). I also hope when Sage does get his time next Friday that Childress doesn't call 14 running plays to Young either. That was a huge waste of preseason evaluation, IMO.

At the end of the day however, I'm not to concerned over who gets the start. I will be concerned if Sage throws several picks & he's kept on the field.

Let's not forget that regardless of which QB wins the competition, the other one will still make the roster & can come in, should the starter falter.

That wasn't the case a few weeks ago when Favre was in the picture. Had Favre signed, we risked letting either Sage or TJ go. If one had to go, I'd would have wanted us to stay with TJ over Sage, because I see more possible upside with Jackson, than I do with Sage who has been in the league for 8 years already & TJ protects the ball much better than Sage does. I don't think his INT problems miraculously went away by signing with the Vikings. It remains to be seen.

Again, regardless of who starts, both QB's will make the roster. There shouldn't be any major worries by anyone. If Sage starts throwing picks, TJ will be brought in. If TJ continues to look sloppy, then Sage will be brought in. Had Favre been brought in & played sloppy & threw picks, IMO, Childress still would have rode that horse for 16 games.

I'm just happy we have the QB competition that we do have. Now lets see what we can do the rest of the preseason before crowning a starter.




The TJack supporters are making a much bigger deal out of it than anyone else.
It barely took any time before we had people on here spinning it and making excuses.
If it isn't a big deal (which it isn't), then just admit that he had a bad game and move on.

I have no idea what you meant here:

10-13 passes is good play in my book, however all those passes were under 15 yards. TJ had some longer passes that were not caught as well as had drops, which made the completion % look much worse than what it was. Jimmy K. also dropped a pass from Sage that should have made him 8-11.

First, at least one of Sage's passes was over 15 yards.
He threw a laser 17 yard pass to Shank, who had no YAC on the play.
Second, most of TJack's long throws were poor throws.
Claiming that they were "not caught as well as had drops" isn't right.
One was defended well.
One might be argued that it was dropped.
And Three, arguably Four, were off target (two of which were off by more than 7 yards).
Finally, Kliensausser's drop would have made it 11-13 for Sage, not 8-11 (not sure where that number came from).

ejmat
08-17-2009, 11:06 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


One week closer to the regular season...

Anyways, didn't get to watch the game but it looks like Sage did pretty well, while Jackson had a mulligan game. I agree with Nodak (shocking I know), people shouldn't be downplaying Sage's performance then making excuses for Jackson. It is what it is, one preseason game. Give credit where credit is due. And by looking at the numbers, it looks like the credit goes to Sage in this one.


Actually, that is well put.
(We really got to stop agreeing so much).
People shouldn't make big deal out of TJack's performance, but at the same time they shouldn't take anything away from Sage.

In my mind, TJack's performance neither helped or hurt his chances, while Sage did help himself.


Yet they are doing just that. At the same time they shouldn't be making a big deal out of Sage's good debut either. It was one quarter of play and you of all people should know that if 5 regular seasons of play isn't a big enough sample size, then 1 quarter of play certainly doesn't qualify.

He played good in that quarter of play. I've stated that before as well as stated TJ didn't look that good. When I bring up facts that surround both of their performances, you label me as an apologist.

10-13 passes is good play in my book, however all those passes were under 15 yards. TJ had some longer passes that were not caught as well as had drops, which made the completion % look much worse than what it was. Jimmy K. also dropped a pass from Sage that should have made him 8-11.

With that said, I still don't think TJ would have completed those those same 10-13 passes had he been in as starter under the same exact circumstances. He did have balls that were off target.

People are still getting too worked up over the "JJ was wide open 15 yards down field" or "TJ's not making his reads" or "Sage is checking down". Let's not forget this is preseason & certain plays are called in from the bench that are to get certain players involved
& be run to see how well they are executed. It doesn't matter if a WR is open down the field if the play called in is a slant to Shiancoe. That's the play the coaches want to see executed.

I'm not knocking Sage for the short passes, merely pointing out that they were short passes & that the comp. % should be high. I believe Sage was throwing those short passes because that is what was called in.

I'd certainly like to see Childress/Bevell call in some longer throws for Sage to see how he performs. That's were he gets into the most trouble throwing INT's & preseason is the best time to be taking those shots to test & measure the QB's ability. INT's are my only concern with Sage & in Childress' conservative playing style, we can't afford to have Sage throwing 30 INT's this season. (He had 10 in 6 games last year). I also hope when Sage does get his time next Friday that Childress doesn't call 14 running plays to Young either. That was a huge waste of preseason evaluation, IMO.

At the end of the day however, I'm not to concerned over who gets the start. I will be concerned if Sage throws several picks & he's kept on the field.

Let's not forget that regardless of which QB wins the competition, the other one will still make the roster & can come in, should the starter falter.

That wasn't the case a few weeks ago when Favre was in the picture. Had Favre signed, we risked letting either Sage or TJ go. If one had to go, I'd would have wanted us to stay with TJ over Sage, because I see more possible upside with Jackson, than I do with Sage who has been in the league for 8 years already & TJ protects the ball much better than Sage does. I don't think his INT problems miraculously went away by signing with the Vikings. It remains to be seen.

Again, regardless of who starts, both QB's will make the roster. There shouldn't be any major worries by anyone. If Sage starts throwing picks, TJ will be brought in. If TJ continues to look sloppy, then Sage will be brought in. Had Favre been brought in & played sloppy & threw picks, IMO, Childress still would have rode that horse for 16 games.

I'm just happy we have the QB competition that we do have. Now lets see what we can do the rest of the preseason before crowning a starter.




The TJack supporters are making a much bigger deal out of it than anyone else.
It barely took any time before we had people on here spinning it and making excuses.
If it isn't a big deal (which it isn't), then just admit that he had a bad game and move on.

I have no idea what you meant here:

10-13 passes is good play in my book, however all those passes were under 15 yards. TJ had some longer passes that were not caught as well as had drops, which made the completion % look much worse than what it was. Jimmy K. also dropped a pass from Sage that should have made him 8-11.

First, at least one of Sage's passes was over 15 yards.
He threw a laser 17 yard pass to Shank, who had no YAC on the play.
Second, most of TJack's long throws were poor throws.
Claiming that they were "not caught as well as had drops" isn't right.
One was defended well.
One might be argued that it was dropped.
And Three, arguably Four, were off target (two of which were off by more than 7 yards).
Finally, Kliensausser's drop would have made it 11-13 for Sage, not 8-11 (not sure where that number came from).


It isn't so much that the long passes were dropped or poorly thrown.
It is the fact that on at least 2 occasions TJ threw deep to a guy that were well covered.
One he took too long to throw as Dugan was open about 15 yards downfield.
The other one JJ was wide open about 15 yards downfield yet TJ threw to Reynaud who was well covered.
That is what bothered my about TJ in that game.


I am not expecting him to be perfect but so much is made on Sage didn't throw deep.
Who cares?
This was a preseason game in which we aren't going to show a whole lot.
WCO is built off of short passes.
Even with that TJ has lacked the ability to hit those passes whereas Sage was showing he can.

Like everyone is saying it is just one preseason game.
But when you analyze it there are things TJ did that was just horrible.
Plain and simple.
These are things he should have picked up by now as he is in the 4th year of his pro career.
This is what worries me about TJ and the whole he didn't get to play with the 1st string nonsense did not cause those errors in play.
Remember he was also playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers too.
Tit for tat.

BloodyHorns82
08-17-2009, 11:12 AM
Pretty simple QB summary:

Sage had a good looking 1 quarter, got the ball out quickly and effectively, made a couple really nice throws.
Tjack looked hurried and worried, made several bad throws.
Sage looked calm and cool, Tjack - not so much.

With that said - Go TJack!
Win this job!

snowinapril
08-17-2009, 11:24 AM
"Formo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.

::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.

;)


WOW! Really?! A rookie in his first preseason game getting 1 penalty?! How about a worthless 3 year man getting 2! Load looked great for a rookie. Didn't even look like one. Very impressed with this YOUNG man.
::)

How about Farwell! LOL at those who thought he would not make a huge difference.


+1 Mars.


Special teams is difficult to judge in the preseason.
It is a place where the guys that will be cut get to play a lot.
The 53 man roster will make ST look a lot different.

Frampton anyone?
The guy made a couple of open field tackles. Not sure he makes the team for ST only.

jessejames09
08-17-2009, 11:34 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.

::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.

;)


WOW! Really?! A rookie in his first preseason game getting 1 penalty?! How about a worthless 3 year man getting 2! Load looked great for a rookie. Didn't even look like one. Very impressed with this YOUNG man.
::)

How about Farwell! LOL at those who thought he would not make a huge difference.


+1 Mars.


Special teams is difficult to judge in the preseason.
It is a place where the guys that will be cut get to play a lot.
The 53 man roster will make ST look a lot different.

Frampton anyone?
The guy made a couple of open field tackles. Not sure he makes the team for ST only.

'

Peter is a very solid open field tackler. Always a contributor on ST.

tastywaves
08-17-2009, 11:47 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.

::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.

;)


According to nfl.com, the Vikings had 6 sacks.
Bad day to be a Colts QB.

I thought AY showed he could be a solid 3rd RB.
Ian was okay as well, but AY looked like a better 3rd from this game.
With the heavy emphasis on getting carries to Albert and Ian, they must have had this as one of their focus spots.
Also, probably wanted to get Sullivan and Loadholt tested to make sure we didn't drop off in our run blocking.
Protect your strength first and then work on your weakness (passing) I guess.


I'll refrain from going into the whole Sage/TJ thing as it has been greatly discussed at this point.
I will only say that I would like to see the rest of the preseason play out to see where we stand with QB play.

Having some of the Colts back 7 defensive players would have been nice to get the passing game better adjusted to real experience, but it's a confidence builder if nothing else.

Cook's penalties late in the game were really painful to watch.
I think his days in MN are starting to be numbered.

jargomcfargo
08-17-2009, 12:30 PM
"tastywaves" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.

::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.

;)


According to nfl.com, the Vikings had 6 sacks.

Bad day to be a Colts QB.

I thought AY showed he could be a solid 3rd RB.
Ian was okay as well, but AY looked like a better 3rd from this game.
With the heavy emphasis on getting carries to Albert and Ian, they must have had this as one of their focus spots.
Also, probably wanted to get Sullivan and Loadholt tested to make sure we didn't drop off in our run blocking.
Protect your strength first and then work on your weakness (passing) I guess.


I'll refrain from going into the whole Sage/TJ thing as it has been greatly discussed at this point.
I will only say that I would like to see the rest of the preseason play out to see where we stand with QB play.

Having some of the Colts back 7 defensive players would have been nice to get the passing game better adjusted to real experience, but it's a confidence builder if nothing else.

Cook's penalties late in the game were really painful to watch.
I think his days in MN are starting to be numbered.



Pretty much the way I saw it as well.

Sometimes, like in the case of Loadholt, people look better because their backup looks worse.
Same could be said for Sage.

Loadholt reaches out with those long arms and holds when he gets beat by speed. Overall he looked pretty darn good. But he will get a few holding calls. It's easier to get away with holding when your arms aren't extended.
Holding is better than giving up a sack, however.

Sage looked accurate, but threw into pretty tight coverage a few times. Can't throw the ball over the middle to Shank all the time without eventually having the DB jump the route. Hopefully we will see a pump fake out of him soon.

TJ wasn't quite as bad as some said. He was just TJ. Inconsistant. I won't pass judgement based on his play with the second stringers.

I thought Asher played better than expected. He has all the tools.

In general I thought the coverage was very good by our pass defense.

EJ, and Farwell are back and as good as ever.

The back up D lineman have improved.

And Booty looked pretty decent.

Can't really say anything based on preseason, but the team looked good, even though a lot of Colts starters weren't playing.

The Dropper
08-17-2009, 01:20 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.

::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.

;)


WOW! Really?! A rookie in his first preseason game getting 1 penalty?! How about a worthless 3 year man getting 2! Load looked great for a rookie. Didn't even look like one. Very impressed with this YOUNG man.
::)

How about Farwell! LOL at those who thought he would not make a huge difference.


+1 Mars.


Special teams is difficult to judge in the preseason.
It is a place where the guys that will be cut get to play a lot.
The 53 man roster will make ST look a lot different.

Frampton anyone?
The guy made a couple of open field tackles. Not sure he makes the team for ST only.

'

Peter is a very solid open field tackler. Always a contributor on ST.


Heh. You mean Eric, right?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/creadmin/HIGHWAY%20TO%20HELL/FramptonImInYou.jpg

C Mac D
08-17-2009, 01:24 PM
"The" wrote:


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/creadmin/HIGHWAY%20TO%20HELL/FramptonImInYou.jpg


"I'm in you"... Hahahaha, hilarious

i_bleed_purple
08-17-2009, 01:26 PM
"C" wrote:


"The" wrote:


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/creadmin/HIGHWAY%20TO%20HELL/FramptonImInYou.jpg


"I'm in you"... Hahahaha, hilarious


http://www.geocities.com/jacopas.geo/dadfca.jpg
I thought Frampton really came alive in the preseason game, making some nice tackles.

Zeus
08-17-2009, 01:37 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


http://www.geocities.com/jacopas.geo/dadfca.jpg
I thought Frampton really came alive in the preseason game, making some nice tackles.


Ooooo, baby I love your play, every day.
I wanna tell you I love your play, every way.
I want you tackle 'em night and day!

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
08-17-2009, 01:39 PM
http://www.norton-buffalo.com/gallery/NBwPeterFrampton.jpg

thats what he looks like now (right), I think he should have kept the hair at least.

ThorSPL
08-17-2009, 08:07 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


If Tyrell Johnson is really not playing well, I hope Childress gives Jamarca Sanford a chance to show what he's got. His name popped up a few times in camp.


He missed one tackle, albeit he looked stupid, It's no real cause for concern.


Yeah, it was a bad miss but he did make up for it.
He's young and WILL make mistakes; we need to be prepared for that.

battleaxe4cheese
08-17-2009, 08:24 PM
I think the Chilli should keep his beard. It may be the source of strength for the Kick Ass Offense...ya know kinda like Sampson from the old testament. Not only that, if he grows it long enough he could potentially pull off a world record grade "comb over/wrap around" for them cold Lambeau games.

gagarr
08-17-2009, 08:54 PM
"battleaxe4cheese" wrote:


I think the Chilli should keep his beard. It may be the source of strength for the Kick jiggly butt Offense...ya know kinda like Sampson from the old testament. Not only that, if he grows it long enough he could potentially pull off a world record grade "comb over/wrap around" for them cold Lambeau games.


When my wife walked by and saw Chilly, she asked me "Who's the homeless guy?"

I couldn't disagree with her.

Redmption
08-17-2009, 09:23 PM
While Sage looked sharp, you could tell dramatically the quality of play he received vs TJ behind a 2nd and 3rd string line. TJ was having to move around a lot, and not able to set himself. This next game should be a lot more telling, but it was nice to see TJ take on that DE with a stiff arm and still throw it out of bounds. The knee must be feeling better :)

PackSux!
08-17-2009, 09:29 PM
"Redmption" wrote:


While Sage looked sharp, you could tell dramatically the quality of play he received vs TJ behind a 2nd and 3rd string line. TJ was having to move around a lot, and not able to set himself. This next game should be a lot more telling, but it was nice to see TJ take on that DE with a stiff arm and still throw it out of bounds. The knee must be feeling better :)


Lets remember that our line was also going against 2nd and 3rd string lineman.
So perhaps the Colts backups are better then ours, either way it didnt look good for Jackson.

Jackson gets to start against a piss poor defense this week, he has no option but to do well.

jmcdon00
08-17-2009, 10:10 PM
"gagarr" wrote:


"battleaxe4cheese" wrote:


I think the Chilli should keep his beard. It may be the source of strength for the Kick jiggly butt Offense...ya know kinda like Sampson from the old testament. Not only that, if he grows it long enough he could potentially pull off a world record grade "comb over/wrap around" for them cold Lambeau games.


When my wife walked by and saw Chilly, she asked me "Who's the homeless guy?"

I couldn't disagree with her.

lmao

i_bleed_purple
08-17-2009, 10:16 PM
"gagarr" wrote:


"battleaxe4cheese" wrote:


I think the Chilli should keep his beard. It may be the source of strength for the Kick jiggly butt Offense...ya know kinda like Sampson from the old testament. Not only that, if he grows it long enough he could potentially pull off a world record grade "comb over/wrap around" for them cold Lambeau games.


When my wife walked by and saw Chilly, she asked me "Who's the homeless guy?"

I couldn't disagree with her.


He needs to get the Bill Bellicheck cutoff sweater to complete the look.

jargomcfargo
08-18-2009, 11:06 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"gagarr" wrote:


"battleaxe4cheese" wrote:


I think the Chilli should keep his beard. It may be the source of strength for the Kick jiggly butt Offense...ya know kinda like Sampson from the old testament. Not only that, if he grows it long enough he could potentially pull off a world record grade "comb over/wrap around" for them cold Lambeau games.


When my wife walked by and saw Chilly, she asked me "Who's the homeless guy?"

I couldn't disagree with her.


He needs to get the Bill Bellicheck cutoff sweater to complete the look.


That would be perfect. He could practice up for next year when he's out of a job.
:)

i_bleed_purple
08-18-2009, 11:07 AM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"gagarr" wrote:


"battleaxe4cheese" wrote:


I think the Chilli should keep his beard. It may be the source of strength for the Kick jiggly butt Offense...ya know kinda like Sampson from the old testament. Not only that, if he grows it long enough he could potentially pull off a world record grade "comb over/wrap around" for them cold Lambeau games.


When my wife walked by and saw Chilly, she asked me "Who's the homeless guy?"

I couldn't disagree with her.


He needs to get the Bill Bellicheck cutoff sweater to complete the look.


That would be perfect. He could practice up for next year when he's out of a job.
:)

as long as he doesn't change his sweater when we're 18-0 in the superbowl :D

jessejames09
08-18-2009, 11:11 AM
"The" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:




What I saw, one team a bit better prepared than another team (who was without a bunch of starters).

Pro's.

Sully.
Did a pretty decent job.
Shanc.
Definately made our starter look good.
AY. Alot of reps with no huge mistakes. Looked good catching a few out of the backfield.

Starting D.
One first down allowed and 3 sacks.
Maybe ole Leslie has a clue this year.
::)
ST's seemed to be a bit tighter.
Still withholding judgement but a bit optimistic.
7 for 52 put return yards and 2 for 52 on kickoffs isn't really that much to brag about but the coverage seemed better.


Con's.
Can we get a RT that doesn't have penalties?
Load looked good as a run blocker but had a few issues in the pass protection area.
Cook wasn't any better.
Second string D.
Let a RB get 58 yards on 5 carries.
Maybe ole Leslie doesn't have a clue this year.

::)
Way to many penalties, starting secondary, Penalty killed a FG, RT etc.

Long story short.
Not a bad debut but I want to see what they can do against a healthy team and a established coaching staff.


On a side note, looks like the OL issues still need to be worked out by the Colts coachings staff.
Might be a long year for Colts fans.

;)


WOW! Really?! A rookie in his first preseason game getting 1 penalty?! How about a worthless 3 year man getting 2! Load looked great for a rookie. Didn't even look like one. Very impressed with this YOUNG man.
::)

How about Farwell! LOL at those who thought he would not make a huge difference.


+1 Mars.


Special teams is difficult to judge in the preseason.
It is a place where the guys that will be cut get to play a lot.
The 53 man roster will make ST look a lot different.

Frampton anyone?
The guy made a couple of open field tackles. Not sure he makes the team for ST only.

'

Peter is a very solid open field tackler. Always a contributor on ST.


Heh. You mean Eric, right?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/creadmin/HIGHWAY%20TO%20HELL/FramptonImInYou.jpg


Apparently you don't 'feel like I do.'

marstc09
08-18-2009, 01:58 PM
Zeus are you coming early?

i_bleed_purple
08-18-2009, 01:59 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


Zeus are you coming early?


thats what she said

Zeus
08-18-2009, 02:05 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.

=Z=

BloodyHorns82
08-18-2009, 02:12 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.

=Z=


Pussy.




























;D

Zeus
08-18-2009, 02:25 PM
"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
08-18-2009, 02:25 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.

=Z=


not a true fan

Zeus
08-18-2009, 02:26 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.

=Z=

thatjusthappened28
08-18-2009, 02:28 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.

=Z=


GIVE ME YOUR TICKETS!!!
;D

V4L
08-18-2009, 02:28 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.

=Z=



Holy smokes
:o

Formo
08-18-2009, 02:29 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.

=Z=


Woooo Weee!!
Firin' up Zeus!

Anyway, have fun with your plans, my d00d.
You are totally on, it's a freakin' preseason game.

C Mac D
08-18-2009, 02:30 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.

=Z=


Some of us are far too smart for that.

Zeus
08-18-2009, 02:42 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:






Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.



Holy smokes
:o


I don't like taking crap for loving my wife.

=Z=

V4L
08-18-2009, 02:43 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:








Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.



Holy smokes
:o


I don't like taking crap for loving my wife.

=Z=



I hear ya

Im pretty sure he was playing man

Zeus
08-18-2009, 02:44 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:










Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.



Holy smokes
:o


I don't like taking crap for loving my wife.


I hear ya

Im pretty sure he was playing man


There's some things that I don't think you play around with.

=Z=

V4L
08-18-2009, 02:47 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:












Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.



Pussy.

;D


Not gonna fuck up my marriage over a pre-season game.


not a true fan


You married?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.



Holy smokes
:o


I don't like taking crap for loving my wife.


I hear ya

Im pretty sure he was playing man


There's some things that I don't think you play around with.

=Z=



Fair enough

marstc09
08-18-2009, 02:48 PM
"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Zeus are you coming early?


Lordy, you don't pay attention, do you?


I'm not coming (as I said MONTHS ago).
It's my 10th anniversary and my priorities are with my wife, not the Vikings.

=Z=


Pussy.




























;D


Are you coming early?