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HEY
07-08-2009, 02:29 PM
Simply put: I'm totally bored (I work at the operation center in one of the largest garrison in the Norwegian Army and it can get VERY boring sometimes) so this is what I came up with...

This is how I personally hope the depth chart will look like when the 2009 season begins:
(last updated august 28)

Offense
POS


STARTER








2nd









3rd










4th






GRADE
QB

Brett Favre




Sage Rosenfels


Tarvaris Jackson
John David Booty

B
HB

Adrian Peterson

Chester Taylor


Ian Johnson




(Percy Harvin)



A+
FB

Naufahu Tahi



(Garrett Mills)






























C-
WR1
Bernard Berrian

Jaymar Johnson
Darius Reynaud
















B
WR2
Sidney Rice




Percy Harvin (slot)



























B-
TE

Visanthe Shiancoe
Jim Kleinsasser
Garrett Mills



















B
LT

Bryant McKinnie

(Artis Hicks)



Drew Radovich
















A-
LG

Steve Hutchinson

(Artis Hicks)



Brian Daniels

















A+
C


John Sullivan



Ryan Cook
































C
RG

Anthony Herrera

Artis Hicks

































B
RT

Phil Loadholt




(Artis Hicks)



(Ryan Cook)


















C

Overall grade for offense: B+

(projected as top 10 in NFL with Favre behind center)

Defense
POS

STARTER







2nd










3rd









4th
LE

Ray Edwards


Jayme Mitchell




Otis Grigsby

















B-
LDT

Kevin Williams

Letroy Guion































A+
RDT

Pat Williams



Jimmy Kennedy


Fred Evans


















A-
RE

Jared Allen




Brian Robison






























A+
WLB

Ben Leber




Heath Farwell



(Erin Henderson)














B
MLB

E.J. Henderson

(Erin Henderson)

Jasper Brinkley















A
SLB

Chad Greenway

Erin Henderson





























A
CB1
Antoine Winfield

Charles Gordon






























A
CB2
Cedric Griffin



Karl Paymah





Asher Allen


















B
SS

Tyrell Johnson


Jamarca Sanford

Husain Abdullah















B-
FS

Madieu Williams

Eric Frampton






























B+

Overall grade for defense: A
(projected as top 5 in NFL)

Special Teams
POS

STARTER








2nd









3rd










4th

K

Ryan Longwell













































A

P

Chris Kluwe













































B+
PR

Jaymar Johnson

Chester Taylor
Bernard Berrian

















C+
KR

Darius Reynaud

Percy Harvin

Jaymar Johnson


















B
LS

Cullen Loeffler












































A

















































SKOL!

BloodyHorns82
07-08-2009, 02:33 PM
Nicely done - looks fair to me.
But what happened to your purple shades?

i_bleed_purple
07-08-2009, 02:33 PM
You forgot Brett Favre

And you really think Bobby Wade is going to get cut?!

and what about Asher Allen?

HEY
07-08-2009, 02:41 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


You forgot Brett Favre

And you really think Bobby Wade is going to get cut?!

and what about Asher Allen?

Well... he's not on the roster... yet.
I now that alot of the guys on here like Bobby Wade, and I think he has done a decent job, but he has been slowed down by injury and ain't getting any faster. I think it's time that we gives the young guys with greater potential a shot.
Asher Allen. I totally forgot about him. He should definitely be on the roster. I'll change that.

Thanks for the tip!

i_bleed_purple
07-08-2009, 02:42 PM
"HEY" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


You forgot Brett Favre

And you really think Bobby Wade is going to get cut?!

and what about Asher Allen?

Well... he's not on the roster... yet.
I now that alot of the guys on here like Bobby Wade, and I think he has done a decent job, but he has been slowed down by injury and ain't getting any faster. I think it's time that we gives the young guys with greater potential a shot.
Asher Allen. I totally forgot about him. He should definitely be on the roster. I'll change that.

Thanks for the tip!


yes, but the likelihood of cutting Wade is extremely low.
He's been reliable for us so far, moreso than Allison and Rice have.
to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Allison is a late cut.
No way Wade goes, but its your roster.

PurpleTide
07-08-2009, 02:57 PM
Great work Hey, I agree that B. Wade is on the bubble, so is A. Allison. I think as camp goes on and other teams start making tough decisions we may grab another vet WR off waivers, and it wouldn't surprise me if we let loose
BW, and/or AA, before it's all said and done. Many possible trade scenerio's could rise if we sign Farve. Do we let Booty go, trying to sneak him to the practice squad? Do we try and trade TJ, or Sage, and keep JDB?

i_bleed_purple
07-08-2009, 03:12 PM
I changed my mind.

We absolutely won't cut Wade unless we sign Harrison.

Zeus
07-08-2009, 03:17 PM
I voted "Other".

But I'm not going to tell you what it is.


Neener!

=Z=

jessejames09
07-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Only thing I want to point out (other than Wade) is McCauley can't play the slot... He's got some serious learning to do before the end of the preseason, if he's going to make the team that is.

jessejames09
07-08-2009, 03:19 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


I voted "Other".

But I'm not going to tell you what it is.


Neener!

=Z=


Thanks for your input.

Zeus
07-08-2009, 03:21 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


I voted "Other".

But I'm not going to tell you what it is.


Neener!


Thanks for your input.


Did Liverpool collect any hardware this past season?

=Z=

Mr-holland
07-08-2009, 03:23 PM
special teams

gagarr
07-08-2009, 03:48 PM
Why didn't you (HEY) put Fullback in the poll?
By your grading FB received the lowest marks.

I think FB is worse than a C with Tahi.
A good FB would be good to have against a 3-4 D.

I hope against GB's 3-4 the Vikes put Kleiny in at FB, so he can get a little steam up and flatten some LB's.

HEY
07-08-2009, 05:32 PM
"gagarr" wrote:


Why didn't you (HEY) put Fullback in the poll?
By your grading FB received the lowest marks.

I think FB is worse than a C with Tahi.
A good FB would be good to have against a 3-4 D.

I hope against GB's 3-4 the Vikes put Kleiny in at FB, so he can get a little steam up and flatten some LB's.

I'm not that impressed by Tahi either, but the fullback position is simply not that important. We don't use fullbacks that often and good blockers are pretty easy to find when comparing to other positions like cornerbacks and quarterbacks. Plus, Adrian Peterson prefers to run without a fullback.
Some people would argue that the loss of pro bowler Tony Richardson was the reason to why AD's yards per carry average dropped, but fact is that the majority of his big runs came out of the singleback formation. The loss of Richardson did most likely hurt our run game, but not by much.
At least that's my thoughts on the subject.

gagarr
07-08-2009, 08:46 PM
"HEY" wrote:


"gagarr" wrote:


Why didn't you (HEY) put Fullback in the poll?
By your grading FB received the lowest marks.

I think FB is worse than a C with Tahi.
A good FB would be good to have against a 3-4 D.

I hope against GB's 3-4 the Vikes put Kleiny in at FB, so he can get a little steam up and flatten some LB's.

I'm not that impressed by Tahi either, but the fullback position is simply not that important. We don't use fullbacks that often and good blockers are pretty easy to find when comparing to other positions like cornerbacks and quarterbacks. Plus, Adrian Peterson prefers to run without a fullback.
Some people would argue that the loss of pro bowler Tony Richardson was the reason to why AD's yards per carry average dropped, but fact is that the majority of his big runs came out of the singleback formation. The loss of Richardson did most likely hurt our run game, but not by much.
At least that's my thoughts on the subject.


Personally, I think the quality of the player at a position has a lot to do with your choice of formation.
A FB that can run block, pass block, run, and receive at a high level would make Chilly add many more FB formations.
But since Tahi doesn't really do any of those things very well, I think AD alone is a much better option.

Plus, what use to be FB's are now the big brusing RB's, designed for punishing the D's and getting the tough yards.

HEY
07-09-2009, 10:47 AM
"gagarr" wrote:


"HEY" wrote:


"gagarr" wrote:


Why didn't you (HEY) put Fullback in the poll?
By your grading FB received the lowest marks.

I think FB is worse than a C with Tahi.
A good FB would be good to have against a 3-4 D.

I hope against GB's 3-4 the Vikes put Kleiny in at FB, so he can get a little steam up and flatten some LB's.

I'm not that impressed by Tahi either, but the fullback position is simply not that important. We don't use fullbacks that often and good blockers are pretty easy to find when comparing to other positions like cornerbacks and quarterbacks. Plus, Adrian Peterson prefers to run without a fullback.
Some people would argue that the loss of pro bowler Tony Richardson was the reason to why AD's yards per carry average dropped, but fact is that the majority of his big runs came out of the singleback formation. The loss of Richardson did most likely hurt our run game, but not by much.
At least that's my thoughts on the subject.


Personally, I think the quality of the player at a position has a lot to do with your choice of formation.
A FB that can run block, pass block, run, and receive at a high level would make Chilly add many more FB formations.
But since Tahi doesn't really do any of those things very well, I think AD alone is a much better option.

Plus, what use to be FB's are now the big brusing RB's, designed for punishing the D's and getting the tough yards.

The thing is, like you said, Tahi is not dangerous when he has the ball in his hands, but I saw Brad Childress call a considerable number of plays where Tahi ran out in the flat and they were never successful.
According to NFL.com, this is Tahi's stats for the 2008 season:

Rec
Yds
Avg
Lng
TD
FUM
Lost

16
37

2.3

7

0

1

1
I'm just going to say this as straight forward as possible: Only use Naufahu Tahi to block!

C Mac D
07-09-2009, 11:01 AM
I'm the only person that voted SS?

I'm not really worried about any other position, except maybe C a little bit.

I'm just not sold on Tyrell Johnson yet. He didn't impress me at all last year, albeit was his rookie season.

nephilimstorm
07-09-2009, 11:35 AM
I am with you on that one C MAc

skol_vikes!
07-09-2009, 11:35 AM
"C" wrote:


I'm the only person that voted SS?

I'm not really worried about any other position, except maybe C a little bit.

I'm just not sold on Tyrell Johnson yet. He didn't impress me at all last year, albeit was his rookie season.

I voted for center.
Seems to me that the last few seasons, our QB's have been pressure way too fast on each play, and Birk being gone will NOT help that.
The #1 vote was for QB. Well, you have to be able to protect one before it even matters.

kspurplepride
07-09-2009, 12:35 PM
definatly don't see Sage starting over TJ, I also have a feeling we will see Harvin returning both kicks and punts next year. BWade and Harvin should be, and will be mixed in the #3 spot at reciever. BWade has been very good out of the slot. He may not have a great top speed, but he runs decent routes, has pretty reliable hands, and is pretty quick on those crossing routes.

V4L
07-09-2009, 01:09 PM
Fuck Tahi

Mark_The_Viking
07-10-2009, 08:14 AM
I pretty much agree with what you've put and my 2c is that a solid FB does make a difference because it gives the O a differenet look and the D one more thing to think about.

If Phil Loadholt has improved on his first step issue then by all reports he just has to stand up and he'll block most of the left end of their D, I think if he improves too much he could alter the axis of the earth if he steps too quickly.

It would have been interesting to see the poll if QB hadn't been a choice and I was quite surprised to see that some of you think we have bigger issues.

jessejames09
07-10-2009, 10:05 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


I voted "Other".

But I'm not going to tell you what it is.


Neener!


Thanks for your input.


Did Liverpool collect any hardware this past season?

=Z=


Beating Man U at Old Trafford is better than any Carling or FA cup.

marstc09
07-10-2009, 10:45 AM
QB but that will soon be fixed.

Zeus
07-10-2009, 11:40 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


I voted "Other".

But I'm not going to tell you what it is.


Neener!


Thanks for your input.


Did Liverpool collect any hardware this past season?


Beating Man U at Old Trafford is better than any Carling or FA cup.


You keep telling yourself that, okay?

=Z=

jessejames09
07-10-2009, 11:48 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


I voted "Other".

But I'm not going to tell you what it is.


Neener!


Thanks for your input.


Did Liverpool collect any hardware this past season?


Beating Man U at Old Trafford is better than any Carling or FA cup.


You keep telling yourself that, okay?

=Z=


Hahahaha I didn't even realize Chelsea won the FA cup. Although bragging about winning the 3rd most prestigious cup they were in competition for is like bragging about a participation ribbon.

Congratulations on having the squad depth to win a tournament in which the big four usually test formations and blood their youth players.


As for being actual Champions of Europe...
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1187/1413808073_258a54501b.jpg?v=0

mountainviking
07-10-2009, 01:10 PM
Some random thoughts...

To me its all about the OL.
I can't say now whether C or RT is the bigger question, cuz we haven't seen a lick of Sully and Load in action.
Whether they end up being improvements goes a long, long, long ways toward an overall offensive improvement!!
To me, the rest of the offense has improved...

QB?
Go read 700 pages of BF and 600 pages of TJ, nuff said.
;)
BF is going to happen.
We resigned Sage after trying to trade for him for years...he'll stay, and to me sounds a lot better than Gus, Brooks, Kelly etc!!
Jackson, IMHO, looked great in those few games late last season, showing enough improvement, that he remains our best option if BF goes down.
Hopefully Booty will make it to the PS...he'd have to have miraculous improvement to beat any of the other 3 out.

WR & TE?
Harvin has gamebreaking ability, and we've seen proof of improvement in BB, BW, VS, etc with time in the system.
IF we can get one of our young guys to step up we may be looking at a really, really nice WR core.
Bobby Wade has led our team in catches for two years straight.
He's not real flashy, but he is pretty dang reliable.
It'll be friggin tough for one of the young guys to beat him out...even though most of them are faster.

FB doesn't look like a priority at all, or we would have kept Tony.
He's easily worth the 2.5 mill/year and that still isn't much in the grand scheme of things.
Tahi has done nothing good with the ball in his hands...blocker only.
(Too bad the pack got Quinn!)

RB is already awesome but did add some big play ability in Harvin.


Adding 20 or 30 plays to utuilize the Harvin and Favre should add some much needed zest to our simple, smashmouth gameplan.
All in all, I think this offense could be really, really fun to watch!!
;D

IF our defense can stay healthy, we should be improved with our returning injured starters.
I like Madieu and Tyrell, but I'm nervous about our depth at S after them.
The suspension suspense sucks!!
Obviously, we are much better with the Williams.
But, EJ is pretty dang good vs. the run too, as are Winny and Griff.
IF Kennedy, Evens, and Guion step up a bit, we might be OK vs. the likes of DET, CLE, SF, and possibly GB....as long as we don't let the Mighty Quinn surprise our LBs.
;)
OR, more improtantly, our offense doesn't just fizzle!!

CCthebest
07-10-2009, 01:16 PM
QB. Unless we do sign Farve. All we need is an average QB and Farve is that. And hes an ex Jet, i forget what team he played for before then.

Prophet
07-13-2009, 08:34 AM
Long snapper is our demise.
Sign Houser, the ponzi schemer.

Suick
07-13-2009, 12:01 PM
Yesterday, I finally brought myselft to watch the playoff game from last year. My biggest fear is that our defense is overated. The Eagles sliced through them easily. Poor tackling and they couldn't stop the slant pass. (What a surprise ::))

Poor special teams and TJ's performance was the nail(s) in the coffin.

purplepat
07-13-2009, 01:20 PM
"HEY" wrote:


Simply put: I'm totally bored (I work at the operation center in one of the largest garrison in the Norwegian Army and it can get VERY boring sometimes) and this is what I came up with...

This is how I hope the depth chart will look like when the 2009 season begins:

Offense
POS


STARTER








2nd









3rd










4th






GRADE
QB

Sage Rosenfels


Tarvaris Jackson
John David Booty














C+
HB

Adrian Peterson

Chester Taylor


Ian Johnson




(Percy Harvin)


A+
FB

Naufahu Tahi



(Garrett Mills)






























C
WR1
Bernard Berrian

Jaymar Johnson
Darius Reynaud
















B
WR2
Sidney Rice




Percy Harvin































B-
TE

Visanthe Shiancoe
Jim Kleinsasser
Garrett Mills



















B
LT

Bryant McKinnie

(Artis Hicks)



Drew Radovich
















A-
LG

Steve Hutchinson

(Artis Hicks)



Brian Daniels


















A
C


John Sullivan



Ryan Cook
































C+
RG

Anthony Herrera

Artis Hicks

































B
RT

Phil Loadholt




(Artis Hicks)



(Ryan Cook)


















C

Overall grade for offense: B

(projected as top 15 in NFL)

Defense
POS

STARTER







2nd










3rd









4th
LE

Ray Edwards



Kenechi Udeze



Otis Grigsby

















B
LDT

Kevin Williams

Letroy Guion































A+
RDT

Pat Williams



Jimmy Kennedy


Fred Evans


















A-
RE

Jared Allen




Brian Robison






























A+
WLB

Ben Leber




Heath Farwell



(Erin Henderson)














B
MLB

E.J. Henderson

(Erin Henderson)

Jasper Brinkley















A
SLB

Chad Greenway

Erin Henderson





























A
CB1
Antoine Winfield

Marcus McCauley

Karl Paymah

















A
CB2
Cedric Griffin



Charles Gordon


Asher Allen


















B
SS

Tyrell Johnson


Jamarca Sanford

Husain Abdullah















B-
FS

Madieu Williams

Eric Frampton






























B+

Overall grade for defense: A
(projected as top 5 in NFL)

Special Teams
POS

STARTER








2nd









3rd










4th
K

Ryan Longwell













































A

P

Chris Kluwe













































B+
PR

Jaymar Johnson

Chester Taylor
Bernard Berrian

















C+
KR

Darius Reynaud

Percy Harvin

Jaymar Johnson


















B
LS

Cullen Loeffler












































A

















































SKOL!


To each his own...

I'll disagree with you on the following counts/players...

To my knowledge, Garrett Mills has never been used as a FB type.
On the other hand, Jeff Dugan has played both FB and TE.
Not the flashiest player in the bunch, I agree, but he's more versatile than Mills (who has had trouble staying healthy to boot).
And for some bizarre reason, the Vikings won almost every game they played last season where Dugan was active for the game.
So replace Mills at FB with Dugan.
Mills might stick at TE, then again, he might not.

At safety, I know a lot of people on a different Vikings board are very high on free agent Colt Anderson.
Could he push Eric Frampton out the door?
Also, I had read reports prior to OTAs that apparently the coaching staff is very high on Husain Abdullah and think he could give Tyrell Johnson a run for his money for the starting safety spot.
So at the very least, I think Abdullah at least moves up to 2nd string on your depth chart, with the rookie Sanford moving down to 3rd string.

Of course at QB, you are ignoring the obvious issue of Brett Favre.
If he signs, will the Vikings keep 4 QBs on the roster, or will they release or trade either Booty or Jackson?

I think you are foolish to think that Bobby Wade will not be on the roster.
The real question is, do the Vikings go with 5 or 6 WRs, and who gets voted off the island?
Jaymar Johnson is still practice squad eligible, though I agree with you in hoping he makes it to the 53 man roster.
Will the coaching staff finally run out of patience with Aundrae Allison, who has shown flashes but has yet to make a real impact?

So, here's my wacko predictions....

Favre signs.
Vikings let QB situation in camp play itself out, seeing how the other three perform.
If Booty stinks the joint up, he's out.
Otherwise, he could be legitimate future #1/#2/#3 material.
If Jackson performs well, Vikes try to re-sign him to an extension at a bargain basement price (strictly backup QB money).
If they re-sign Jackson, they try to trade Booty for a 5th-7th round pick, otherwise they cut him.
If they can't re-sign Jackson, they try to trade him.
Failing that, they cut him (assuming Booty looks OK in camp).
There's an outside shot they keep 4 QBs, but I wouldn't bet too heavily on it.

Don't count on either Ian Johnson or Albert Young making the team as the #3 RB.
Harvin will get some carries as the #3 RB, and both Johnson and Young can still be signed to the practice squad and called up in the event of an injury to Peterson or Taylor.
Only keeping two RBs on the roster opens up a spot for either keeping 6 WRs, or 4 QBs, or maybe even a kickoff specialist guy like Taylor Melhaff.

Jeff Dugan remains as a hybrid backup FB/TE type.
Garrett Mills may not make the team (which again, could open up a spot for that 6th WR/4th QB).

I haven't a clue as to who the #4 and #5 DEs will be among Udeze, Grigsby and Jayme Mitchell, but don't count out Mitchell.
Actually, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Udeze be the starting DE opposite Allen, and maybe Edwards or Robison rotate in on passing downs.

I think Berrian, Rice, Wade and Harvin are locks at WR.
The final one/two spots will come down to Allison/Reynaud/Johnson.
I don't think Glenn Holt makes the team.

It will be interesting to see how well Charles Gordon has recovered from his injury.
He might start out the season on the PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list, delaying when the Vikings have to make the call on his future.
Benny Sapp actually played pretty well as a nickel last season.
Marcus McCauley had better step it up in camp or risk being cut.
I suspect we will either see Gordon or McCauley being the odd man out by November, if not earlier.
Again, we'll have to see how Gordon is healing/healed and what injuries if any occur in camp.

I don't think you are going to see the Vikings carry 9 OL on the 53 man roster.
Not sure if Daniels will be eligible for the practice squad again this year, but Radovich certainly will be.
Barring injuries, I think one of these two will not be on the 53 man roster (and I'm guessing it will be Daniels).

HEY
07-13-2009, 04:25 PM
"purplepat" wrote:


To my knowledge, Garrett Mills has never been used as a FB type.
On the other hand, Jeff Dugan has played both FB and TE.
Not the flashiest player in the bunch, I agree, but he's more versatile than Mills (who has had trouble staying healthy to boot).
And for some bizarre reason, the Vikings won almost every game they played last season where Dugan was active for the game.
So replace Mills at FB with Dugan.
Mills might stick at TE, then again, he might not.
I have always thought that Mills might turn into a serious threath as a tight end in the passing game. He has the speed and quickness, soft hands, and great route running skills. I hoped that he would replace Visanthe Shiancoe in the near future, but that was before last season. I believe that Visanthe will be a solid starter this season.

Back to Mills, he actually has played fullback in college. He played various positions in college, and it's funny that you mention Dugan is more versatile than Mills, cause I'm damn shure he is not.

Mills has played tight end, fullback, wide receiver, and even returned punts in college. He set an NCAA record in the 2005 season with 1,235 yards receiving (on 87 receptions), which is the most reception yards by a tight end in a single season. Mills is more agile, much faster, has better hands and route running skills. The only thing which Dugan is much better at, is blocking.


At safety, I know a lot of people on a different Vikings board are very high on free agent Colt Anderson.
Could he push Eric Frampton out the door?
Also, I had read reports prior to OTAs that apparently the coaching staff is very high on Husain Abdullah and think he could give Tyrell Johnson a run for his money for the starting safety spot.
So at the very least, I think Abdullah at least moves up to 2nd string on your depth chart, with the rookie Sanford moving down to 3rd string.
I like Colt Anderson, and he almost made the roster. The problem was, who was I going to cut?


Don't count on either Ian Johnson or Albert Young making the team as the #3 RB.
Harvin will get some carries as the #3 RB, and both Johnson and Young can still be signed to the practice squad and called up in the event of an injury to Peterson or Taylor.
Only keeping two RBs on the roster opens up a spot for either keeping 6 WRs, or 4 QBs, or maybe even a kickoff specialist guy like Taylor Melhaff.
Taylor Melhaff was also a player that I wanted to keep on the roster. I like Ian Johnson... A LOT. And I hope we keep him on the roster. Imagine if CT and AD went down, then we would be in big time trouble.


I haven't a clue as to who the #4 and #5 DEs will be among Udeze, Grigsby and Jayme Mitchell, but don't count out Mitchell.
Actually, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Udeze be the starting DE opposite Allen, and maybe Edwards or Robison rotate in on passing downs.
This... I agree with

:)

V4L
07-13-2009, 06:41 PM
Not a chance udeze starts

He will be 3rd string

Purple Floyd
07-13-2009, 11:06 PM
If you expand the poll to include coaching I will have something to vote for.