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zakvikes2k
02-07-2005, 12:02 AM
Well after watching the Super Bowl, we watch the Eagles blow the chance of driving downfield(with a minute to play) for at least a try at a field goal to tie the game(I mean it's not like Akers can't hit from deep). This was very disappointing to many Eagles fans, I'm sure. BUT let's take a look at probably the worst team regarding clock management... our Vikings. I can't really say it's the team's fault, but more Tice's fault. At least 4 games should have been wins this past year if it wasn't for us giving the ball back to the other team, ahead, but allowing them about 2 minutes to slowly drive the ball downfield and kick a game winning field goal or scoring the game-ending touchdown (both games against the Pack, the Colts, and the Seahawks, and of course the game against the Cardinals last year) that kills all the Vikings fans watching or keeping up with the game. I'm personally sick of watching the other team kicking the game-winner. It happened too often, and we definitely don't need to see it twice against our archrivals. This has been going on for the past 3 years. You'd think that Tice and the coaching staff would have recognized that they can't trust our D to finish off a game. It just doesn't happen. Not to say it won't happen this upcoming year, but most coaches in the league at least play to not give the other team much time to work with. It's as if Tice doesn't mind losing. Even with our defense probably being upgraded, this has got to change. Clock management is one of the easiest things to manage, cause you can control it. Come on Tice, show us you can do the simple things...

LosAngelis
02-07-2005, 12:04 AM
"zakvikes2k" wrote:

Well after watching the Super Bowl, we watch the Eagles blow the chance of driving downfield(with a minute to play) for at least a try at a field goal to tie the game(I mean it's not like Akers can't hit from deep). This was very disappointing to many Eagles fans, I'm sure. BUT let's take a look at probably the worst team regarding clock management... our Vikings. I can't really say it's the team's fault, but more Tice's fault. At least 4 games should have been wins this past year if it wasn't for us giving the ball back to the other team, ahead, but allowing them about 2 minutes to slowly drive the ball downfield and kick a game winning field goal or scoring the game-ending touchdown (both games against the Pack, the Colts, and the Seahawks, and of course the game against the Cardinals last year) that kills all the Vikings fans watching or keeping up with the game. I'm personally sick of watching the other team kicking the game-winner. It happened too often, and we definitely don't need to see it twice against our archrivals. This has been going on for the past 3 years. You'd think that Tice and the coaching staff would have recognized that they can't trust our D to finish off a game. It just doesn't happen. Not to say it won't happen this upcoming year, but most coaches in the league at least play to not give the other team much time to work with. It's as if Tice doesn't mind losing. Even with our defense probably being upgraded, this has got to change. Clock management is one of the easiest things to manage, cause you can control it. Come on Tice, show us you can do the simple things...

It was amazing to watch Reid, who's been the NFC Dalai Lama for the past few seasons, staring blankly like a deer in headlights (a la Tice and Sherman) as millions of people are screaming at the television set.

I guess the NFC North doesn't have a monopoly on head coaches with ADD in critical situations.

VKG4LFE
02-07-2005, 09:56 AM
I thought their drive before their final drive is what killed the Eagles. Why were they huddling? That made no sense to me. They got the ball with 5:40 left on the clock and they didn't score until there was 1:55 or something like that. I know they gave themselves a chance with the onside kick, but had they conserved some time by no huddling they maybe could have kicked the ball deep and then held the pats o to a 3 and out and gotten the ball back with much better field position. Just my thoughts!

PurplePeopleEaters
02-07-2005, 10:20 AM
I found it hilarious that westbrook caught the ball on first down. That kept the clock running and basically gave the eagles no chance.

Maybe some of the NFC teams should learn from the Jets and hire a guy for clock management.

jackyl
02-07-2005, 10:27 AM
I loved Freddie walking in cirlces nodding his head like he was a badass for 9 seconds before getting to the huddle with less than 3 minutes on the clock. :lol:

VKG4LFE
02-07-2005, 11:32 AM
Mitchell all talk no show!! I think before the game he told Donovan not to throw the ball his way because he was afraid of Harrison!! lol

TheAnimal93
02-07-2005, 12:04 PM
somebody needs to explain to me why the eagles didnt kick it deep instead of the onside. the defense held, they used their timeouts and got the ball back. but they were pinned back deep in their own end. even though you run the risk of a runback, the eagles coverage wasnt bad, and there was enough time on clock. i dont get the logic behind that. success of the onside is less than 50% i would guess and it just seems the probability factor is not there. anyone?

ItalianStallion
02-07-2005, 12:07 PM
There was no time...

VKG4LFE
02-07-2005, 12:07 PM
Good point. I guess I don't care cuz I wanted them to lose, but they definitely were outcoached in that game!

Vikes
02-07-2005, 12:11 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:

Mitchell all talk no show!! I think before the game he told Donovan not to throw the ball his way because he was afraid of Harrison!! lol

You catch what is not thrown to you. He did not the get the ball that much.

VKG4LFE
02-07-2005, 12:17 PM
Like I said, probably cuz he told McNabb not to throw to him in fear of Harrison!

TheAnimal93
02-07-2005, 12:20 PM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:

There was no time...

there was more than two minutes on the clock, wasnt it? they did make them punt and there was plenty of time left. but they wasted it anyway. i am glad of that for sure.

purplehorn
02-07-2005, 12:59 PM
And TWO timeouts left in the first half. I
think somebody spiked Andy's Gatorade.

Storm
02-07-2005, 01:06 PM
There was like 1:50 on the clock. Anyway, yes, they had time to get it back. Obviusly, because they DID get it back, didnt they. But Reid just figured they'd take a shot at it right there, instead of trusting his D to get a quick 3 and out for a better filed position.

PAvikesfan
02-07-2005, 01:28 PM
what made me cringe--cause the vikes have been guilty of the same thing-- there was about48 seconds left in the game and the only player on the eagles O trying to hurry a play was their center freeley... he was waiving for everyone to come to the line, while McChoke and the rest were wasting 10 sec each time in the huddle. hahahahaha....

zakvikes2k
02-07-2005, 07:33 PM
I agree... McNabb did the same bull$hit that Culpepper does when we have a chance to drive the field to tie or win the game. I've seen poor Birk just sitting there, while Culpepper is pointing, trying to direct his receivers. You DONT have time to be pointing every which way. It's ridiculous. Anyways, I blame the last drive on McNabb, the one before on Reid. About 90% of the Vikings mis-haps or to be blamed on Tice.

Calmwind
02-08-2005, 11:30 AM
I noticed something about Westbrook too. He is agile yes, and likes to make guys miss. But, i think it was in the second quarter he caught a pass around the 15 going in with 1 guy between him and the Endzone, but he steps out of bounds instead of tring to break thru the guy (ala Moe) to get the score. I watched him closer after that and noticed he dosent like to get hit, he avoids contact. Walter Payton never stepped out of bounds, he fought for every yard!

Caine
02-08-2005, 11:40 AM
Most of our clock management woes this last season were due to our scoring too quickly. That's the price you pay for fielding an explosive offense.

However, with the game on the line, and us down with under a minute left, the Vikings are ATROCIOUS. Our 2-minute Drill takes 7 minutes and 34 seconds. I don't know if it's Culpepper or Tice, but I know it sucks.

As for Philly, they just seemed to crumble under the pressure. I think Westbrooks catch was a reflex action. It's pounded into you - day in, day out - to catch the ball under any conditions...only later do they mention that there are a FEW times when you shouldn't. But, with the game on the line, and the pressure mounting, Westbrooks hands likely went to auto-pilot.

The huddle was a huge goof too. You KNOW you have to go to the other end of the field. You KNOW you ahve under 30 seconds to do it. Why they lolly-gagged I'll never know.

But, that's why the Patriots have won 3 of the last 4 Superbowls. They KNOW what to do in every situation...and they DO IT.

I hope our guys were paying attention to that game.

Caine