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singersp
03-27-2009, 07:13 AM
Coach optimistic on Winfield contract (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/41867382.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUss)

By CHIP SCOGGINS, Star Tribune

Last update: March 26, 2009 - 12:17 AM


Vikings coach Brad Childress said the team has had "pretty good dialogue" with the agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield, who is entering the final season of his six-year, $35 million contract....

V4L
03-27-2009, 07:27 AM
Good glad talks are going well

We need to keep him around and get someone to groom

Marrdro
03-27-2009, 07:53 AM
I was amazed at how low Griffs contract was.
Seems that will allow the organization to spend a bit and keep Whinny.

Who said this has been a bad offseason?
::)

marstc09
03-27-2009, 10:07 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:



Who said this has been a bad offseason?
::)


Me and it still is. We lost 2 starters and gained 0.

seaniemck7
03-27-2009, 10:17 AM
lock him up: 2-3 year extension please

tb04512
03-27-2009, 10:20 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Who said this has been a bad offseason?
::)


Me and it still is. We lost 2 starters and gained 0.

im going with addition by subtraction, Sharper is not a good safety in the cover 2 he's slow and takes horrible angles in run support. Tyrell got some experience last year and has another offseason to get ready.
Birk is past his prime, since his surgery he has not been the same he lets people blow by untouched, it is great to have a vet like him on the line but not when he is missing as many blocks as he did.

Marrdro
03-27-2009, 10:47 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Who said this has been a bad offseason?
::)


Me and it still is. We lost 2 starters and gained 0.

Addition by subtraction.

Marrdro
03-27-2009, 10:48 AM
"tb04512" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Who said this has been a bad offseason?
::)


Me and it still is. We lost 2 starters and gained 0.

im going with addition by subtraction, Sharper is not a good safety in the cover 2 he's slow and takes horrible angles in run support. Tyrell got some experience last year and has another offseason to get ready.
Birk is past his prime, since his surgery he has not been the same he lets people blow by untouched, it is great to have a vet like him on the line but not when he is missing as many blocks as he did.

Were the hell are you on my spreadsheet......?
;D ;D ;D

tastywaves
03-27-2009, 10:57 AM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


lock him up: 2-3 year extension please


I would love to see that.
One of the strongest competitors we have on the team.

Vikes_King
03-27-2009, 03:33 PM
"tastywaves" wrote:


"seaniemck7" wrote:


lock him up: 2-3 year extension please


I would love to see that.
One of the strongest competitors we have on the team.


Me too.
Winfield is one of my favorite players in the NFL, he's just such a competitor and has such a strong love for the game.
I saw him miss a tackle (for like the first time ever) and he got up off the ground, brushed his shoulder off, went over to the RB laughing and game him a pat on the helmet in kind of a "nice job, i'll get u next time" kinda way, he always has an ear-to-ear smile.
I'll be upset to see him retire as anything other than a Viking.
He said himself in an interview at around the time of the Pro Bowl that he wants to play for a couple more years, even if he has to get moved to the inside (nickle) or dropped back to safety

nephilimstorm
03-27-2009, 03:34 PM
I always laugh wen I see that shit grin form Winfield LOL

Vikes_King
03-27-2009, 03:36 PM
"Nephilim" wrote:


I always laugh wen I see that shit grin form Winfield LOL


http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/3vike0326.jpg

SamOchoCinco
03-27-2009, 03:38 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


"seaniemck7" wrote:


lock him up: 2-3 year extension please


I would love to see that.
One of the strongest competitors we have on the team.


Me too.
Winfield is one of my favorite players in the NFL, he's just such a competitor and has such a strong love for the game.
I saw him miss a tackle (for like the first time ever) and he got up off the ground, brushed his shoulder off, went over to the RB laughing and game him a pat on the helmet in kind of a "nice job, i'll get u next time" kinda way, he always has an ear-to-ear smile.
I'll be upset to see him retire as anything other than a Viking.

He said himself in an interview at around the time of the Pro Bowl that he wants to play for a couple more years, even if he has to get moved to the inside (nickle) or dropped back to safety


terrell owens should ask winfield on how to be a classy athelete

Purple Floyd
03-27-2009, 09:50 PM
He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.

Ranger
03-29-2009, 06:50 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is the man, mayne.

Purple Floyd
03-29-2009, 11:11 AM
"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.

PurpleTide
03-29-2009, 11:41 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.


If Winfield does lose a step, he will be moved to nickelback or safety, where his coverage skills and tackling ability will allow him to play 2-4 more years. I bet he make's the pro-bowl again this year again, and allows us more time to prepare his eventual replacement. A guy with his veteran skill set can compensate for a lost step.

jessejames09
03-29-2009, 01:27 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.


You're banking on a player who just had his best season of his career to lose a step? Pessimistic Pete.

Winfield is just as important as the Williams wall to our rush defense, and is our best DB against the pass, where he seems to be getting better with age.

KrackerJack
03-29-2009, 01:33 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.


You're basing this on what?
That he's old?
That's one thing, but he just had of of his best seasons, too.
Lock him up while a new guy develops.
We can't let him go without a replacement, and judging by the corners we have on our roster, I don't think we have one.
(No problems with Gordon or Sapp, I just don't think they're a lot more than Nickel/ST players, but they're solid backups.)

ThorSPL
03-29-2009, 02:32 PM
Do you really think 5 yrs 25 mil for Griff was cheap??? I think it's a solid contract....
5mil/year on average (but who knows what that means he'll realistically earn).
Winfield was 5 yrs 35 million before (but yes, the market has inflated since then)....

Either way, good deal.
I'd love to see Winfield in purple a few more years!
32 isn't that old for a CB, is it?
I'd have been thinking at 34/35 people stay away... of course, we always have the option of moving him to safety.

Yfz01
03-29-2009, 02:37 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.


You're banking on a player who just had his best season of his career to lose a step? Pessimistic Pete.

Winfield is just as important as the Williams wall to our rush defense, and is our best DB against the pass, where he seems to be getting better with age.


Williams wall is much more important then Winfield is to our rush defense.

Vikes_King
03-29-2009, 02:43 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.


You're banking on a player who just had his best season of his career to lose a step? Pessimistic Pete.

Winfield is just as important as the Williams wall to our rush defense, and is our best DB against the pass, where he seems to be getting better with age.


Williams wall is much more important then Winfield is to our rush defense.



your two starting DT's are more important that a DB? Hmmm lol


Winfield has said himself that he'd be willing to move to nickle or safety if asked of him, he wants to play for a couple more years

thatjusthappened28
03-29-2009, 02:44 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.


You're banking on a player who just had his best season of his career to lose a step? Pessimistic Pete.

Winfield is just as important as the Williams wall to our rush defense, and is our best DB against the pass, where he seems to be getting better with age.


Williams wall is much more important then Winfield is to our rush defense.



and i think what he meant by he's as important as the williams wall is... he's as important to our secondary as the williams wall is to our d-line.

Marrdro
03-29-2009, 02:49 PM
"ThorSPL" wrote:


Do you really think 5 yrs 25 mil for Griff was cheap??? I think it's a solid contract....
5mil/year on average (but who knows what that means he'll realistically earn).
Winfield was 5 yrs 35 million before (but yes, the market has inflated since then)....

Either way, good deal.
I'd love to see Winfield in purple a few more years!
32 isn't that old for a CB, is it?
I'd have been thinking at 34/35 people stay away... of course, we always have the option of moving him to safety.

You be the judge.


I think that Griff will only keep getting better.
When this contract is up I expect he will be paid accordingly and we will all sit back and marvel that Bryzcheapski got him to sign for such a lowball offer.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/22/five-years-25-million-for-griffin/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ed1a5c&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

http://nflblogs.profootballweekly.com/AroundtheNFL/2009/02/nnamdi_asomugha_highestpaid_de.html

VikingsTw
03-29-2009, 03:09 PM
If Griffin continues to play like he did after last seasons by week, we got a steal. He's easily one of the most physical CB's in the league. A hard tackler, perfect fit for the cover two, plays well in press coverage. If he continues to improve his ball skills I expect to see him in the Pro Bowl before its over, consistency is the key.

Marrdro
03-29-2009, 03:17 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


If Griffin continues to play like he did after last seasons by week, we got a steal. He's easily one of the most physical CB's in the league. A hard tackler, perfect fit for the cover two, plays well in press coverage. If he continues to improve his ball skills I expect to see him in the Pro Bowl before its over, consistency is the key.

You brought your "A" game again today didn't you my friend. ;D

jessejames09
03-29-2009, 04:26 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.


You're banking on a player who just had his best season of his career to lose a step? Pessimistic Pete.

Winfield is just as important as the Williams wall to our rush defense, and is our best DB against the pass, where he seems to be getting better with age.


Williams wall is much more important then Winfield is to our rush defense.



Look at Jacksonville when they had Henderson and Stroud, sure you couldn't really run inside, but strongside can be used as a teams bread and butter.

Against us, you can't go inside (Williams wall) you can't go strongside because Winfield usually blows up the run, and Allen on the weakside just makes things too easy for us.

Without tough corners to match our tough front 7 our rush defense just wouldn't be the same.

Purple Floyd
03-29-2009, 08:46 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He's old. Just let the contract run out and bring in a young guy like they did with Cook.


What?!
How dare you!
Winfield is was the man, mayne.


Past his prime. I fixed it for you.

This year he will lose a step and the fans will be calling for his head. Just wait.


You're banking on a player who just had his best season of his career to lose a step? Pessimistic Pete.

Winfield is just as important as the Williams wall to our rush defense, and is our best DB against the pass, where he seems to be getting better with age.



He is important and he is one of my favorite players so I am not saying it with any malice. But he will be 32 years old this season. How long are you going to lock up a player who is that age?
For comparison Sharper was 33 at the beginning of last season and was as fast as he had ever been in the preseason but he faded as the season went on and we let him go. That was a guy who led the league in INT's among active players. So to say that we now should lock Winfield up to another multi year contract when Sharper was losing it when he was one year older seems shaky to me. I guess that it is OK to let one guy go because of his age but perfectly acceptable to sign another to a contract that extends him to an older age.

oaklandzoo24
03-29-2009, 08:58 PM
I think we could afford to lock him up for a good bit longer though.
Unlike Sharper, Winfield is capable of playing as a S or CB (i know he hasnt in the NFL but i think he is def. capable).
So what im saying is even if he loses speed, he is a hell of a run stopper and very physical.
If he slows down he can still be a great nickleback, run stopping S, and ST player.
Plus hed be a great mentor for our future backs.

Elam529
03-29-2009, 09:21 PM
"oaklandzoo24" wrote:


I think we could afford to lock him up for a good bit longer though.
Unlike Sharper, Winfield is capable of playing as a S or CB (i know he hasnt in the NFL but i think he is def. capable).
So what im saying is even if he loses speed, he is a hell of a run stopper and very physical.
If he slows down he can still be a great nickleback, run stopping S, and ST player.
Plus hed be a great mentor for our future backs.


Agree 100%

Another great DB, Rod Woodson, played until he was almost 40, at safety though. I can see Winfield doing that, and at 32 he really isn't too old for the CB position. If Tyrell doesn't pan out, Winfield to S, Griff mans the top CB spot and we draft a new person to replace Griffin at the #2 spot. Gordon and Sapp at nickel/dime. I really like our DB situation.

Mr. Purple
03-29-2009, 09:49 PM
So whats the deal, any word on where this contract is at? I really hope it doesn't come down to him wanting a little but more then we're comfortable with and he walks. I don't think he will if he feels they will work out a middle ground financialy. Letting go of Birk was somewhat hard to see happen and Winfield would be even worse,I bet he has atleast 2-3 years left of 'pro bowl' calibur play left in him.

ThorSPL
03-30-2009, 12:01 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ThorSPL" wrote:


Do you really think 5 yrs 25 mil for Griff was cheap??? I think it's a solid contract....
5mil/year on average (but who knows what that means he'll realistically earn).
Winfield was 5 yrs 35 million before (but yes, the market has inflated since then)....

Either way, good deal.
I'd love to see Winfield in purple a few more years!
32 isn't that old for a CB, is it?
I'd have been thinking at 34/35 people stay away... of course, we always have the option of moving him to safety.

You be the judge.


I think that Griff will only keep getting better.
When this contract is up I expect he will be paid accordingly and we will all sit back and marvel that Bryzcheapski got him to sign for such a lowball offer.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/22/five-years-25-million-for-griffin/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ed1a5c&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

http://nflblogs.profootballweekly.com/AroundtheNFL/2009/02/nnamdi_asomugha_highestpaid_de.html


I think it's a good/fair contract.
Enough where he can continue to improve but not outplay his contract, yet not so much that we broke the bank.
We're set for 5 years, that's a great situation.

i_bleed_purple
03-30-2009, 12:27 AM
those are just the base numbers, but we know nothing about the details.
I'm willing to be a good portion of that contract is incentive based, as we seem to like handing those out.

grpape
03-31-2009, 10:40 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


If Griffin continues to play like he did after last seasons by week, we got a steal. He's easily one of the most physical CB's in the league. A hard tackler, perfect fit for the cover two, plays well in press coverage. If he continues to improve his ball skills I expect to see him in the Pro Bowl before its over, consistency is the key.


But, will he look it as him getting better and now he wants to get paid accordingly. It happens a lot, guys think they are playing at the level of the higher paid CBs, and they want some of that coin too.

Marrdro
04-01-2009, 10:29 AM
"Elam529" wrote:


"oaklandzoo24" wrote:


I think we could afford to lock him up for a good bit longer though.
Unlike Sharper, Winfield is capable of playing as a S or CB (i know he hasnt in the NFL but i think he is def. capable).
So what im saying is even if he loses speed, he is a hell of a run stopper and very physical.
If he slows down he can still be a great nickleback, run stopping S, and ST player.
Plus hed be a great mentor for our future backs.


Agree 100%

Another great DB, Rod Woodson, played until he was almost 40, at safety though. I can see Winfield doing that, and at 32 he really isn't too old for the CB position. If Tyrell doesn't pan out, Winfield to S, Griff mans the top CB spot and we draft a new person to replace Griffin at the #2 spot. Gordon and Sapp at nickel/dime. I really like our DB situation.

Some yutz started a thread on this very same subj awhile back ago........Some real good discussions came out of it.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=41441.0

bleedpurple
04-01-2009, 10:33 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Elam529" wrote:


"oaklandzoo24" wrote:


I think we could afford to lock him up for a good bit longer though.
Unlike Sharper, Winfield is capable of playing as a S or CB (i know he hasnt in the NFL but i think he is def. capable).
So what im saying is even if he loses speed, he is a hell of a run stopper and very physical.
If he slows down he can still be a great nickleback, run stopping S, and ST player.
Plus hed be a great mentor for our future backs.


Agree 100%

Another great DB, Rod Woodson, played until he was almost 40, at safety though. I can see Winfield doing that, and at 32 he really isn't too old for the CB position. If Tyrell doesn't pan out, Winfield to S, Griff mans the top CB spot and we draft a new person to replace Griffin at the #2 spot. Gordon and Sapp at nickel/dime. I really like our DB situation.

Some yutz started a thread on this very same subj awhile back ago........Some real good discussions came out of it.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=41441.0


not really sold on TJ.. i'd rather move Winny to safety with Williams, draft a corner, and move Gordon opposite griff... we have sapp and McCauley as well... draft a corner...

Marrdro
04-01-2009, 10:51 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Elam529" wrote:


"oaklandzoo24" wrote:


I think we could afford to lock him up for a good bit longer though.
Unlike Sharper, Winfield is capable of playing as a S or CB (i know he hasnt in the NFL but i think he is def. capable).
So what im saying is even if he loses speed, he is a hell of a run stopper and very physical.
If he slows down he can still be a great nickleback, run stopping S, and ST player.
Plus hed be a great mentor for our future backs.


Agree 100%

Another great DB, Rod Woodson, played until he was almost 40, at safety though. I can see Winfield doing that, and at 32 he really isn't too old for the CB position. If Tyrell doesn't pan out, Winfield to S, Griff mans the top CB spot and we draft a new person to replace Griffin at the #2 spot. Gordon and Sapp at nickel/dime. I really like our DB situation.

Some yutz started a thread on this very same subj awhile back ago........Some real good discussions came out of it.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=41441.0


not really sold on TJ.. i'd rather move Winny to safety with Williams, draft a corner, and move Gordon opposite griff... we have sapp and McCauley as well... draft a corner...

The good thing is, as pointed out in that thread, the staff seems to like guys that play or have played both positions.


Gives them alot of flexibility IMHO.

bleedpurple
04-01-2009, 10:54 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Elam529" wrote:


"oaklandzoo24" wrote:


I think we could afford to lock him up for a good bit longer though.
Unlike Sharper, Winfield is capable of playing as a S or CB (i know he hasnt in the NFL but i think he is def. capable).
So what im saying is even if he loses speed, he is a hell of a run stopper and very physical.
If he slows down he can still be a great nickleback, run stopping S, and ST player.
Plus hed be a great mentor for our future backs.


Agree 100%

Another great DB, Rod Woodson, played until he was almost 40, at safety though. I can see Winfield doing that, and at 32 he really isn't too old for the CB position. If Tyrell doesn't pan out, Winfield to S, Griff mans the top CB spot and we draft a new person to replace Griffin at the #2 spot. Gordon and Sapp at nickel/dime. I really like our DB situation.

Some yutz started a thread on this very same subj awhile back ago........Some real good discussions came out of it.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=41441.0


not really sold on TJ.. i'd rather move Winny to safety with Williams, draft a corner, and move Gordon opposite griff... we have sapp and McCauley as well... draft a corner...

The good thing is, as pointed out in that thread, the staff seems to like guys that play or have played both positions.


Gives them alot of flexibility IMHO.


yep flexibility is key.. but moving winny to safety will give us even more flexibility bc u now have two guys at safety that can cover and tackle.. and I guarantee you winny would be the next bob sanders....

bleedpurple
04-01-2009, 10:55 AM
without the injuries of course...

Vikes
04-03-2009, 02:00 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


I was amazed at how low Griffs contract was.
Seems that will allow the organization to spend a bit and keep Whinny.

Who said this has been a bad offseason?
::)


Minny gives GREAT Bonus money. It's why we hardly have CAP problems.

V4L
04-03-2009, 07:51 PM
We really gotta keep him around with Cutler in the division now

Look him up as long as we can and get a guy in the draft to groom

Purple Floyd
04-03-2009, 08:55 PM
Winny is too small to play safety. He is really only good to us for at most 1-2 years before he is ready for the pasture.

jessejames09
04-04-2009, 11:58 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Winny is too small to play safety. He is really only good to us for at most 1-2 years before he is ready for the pasture.


Ever heard of Bob Sanders? Seems like he gets by, and it's even in the same system. Winfield is a beast.

NordicNed
04-04-2009, 12:03 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Winny is too small to play safety. He is really only good to us for at most 1-2 years before he is ready for the pasture.


Ever heard of Bob Sanders? Seems like he gets by, and it's even in the same system. Winfield is a beast.


I'de have to agree,
I've seen Winfield take down some of the best RB's out there on his own, Winfield plays alot bigger than what he is, plus he's a super great tacticion....

nephilimstorm
04-04-2009, 12:52 PM
Winfield is always the biggest little guy on the field.

FuadFan
04-04-2009, 03:51 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Winny is too small to play safety. He is really only good to us for at most 1-2 years before he is ready for the pasture.


Ever heard of Bob Sanders? Seems like he gets by, and it's even in the same system. Winfield is a beast.



While Sanders has been defensive player of the year, I don't know if 3 seasons of six games or less played suggest he is getting by very well and he is a little younger then Winfield.


http://www.nfl.com/players/bobsanders/profile?id=SAN287153

jmcdon00
04-04-2009, 04:02 PM
"FuadFan" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Winny is too small to play safety. He is really only good to us for at most 1-2 years before he is ready for the pasture.


Ever heard of Bob Sanders? Seems like he gets by, and it's even in the same system. Winfield is a beast.



While Sanders has been defensive player of the year, I don't know if 3 seasons of six games or less played suggest he is getting by very well and he is a little younger then Winfield.


http://www.nfl.com/players/bobsanders/profile?id=SAN287153



http://arsjerm.net/misc/owned-hatonfire.jpg

V4L
04-04-2009, 11:07 PM
Thing is Winny is in on almost as much action as Bob is and he has rarely been hurt

I think he could do it

I don't know if we have room for him unless Tyrell doesn't pan out or Madieu gets hurt however in a couple years

marstc09
04-05-2009, 10:08 AM
Vikings, Winfield set to resume talks this week
By JUDD ZULGAD, Star Tribune
Last update: April 4, 2009 - 11:46 PM


Ashanti Webb, who serves as Winfield's agent, termed the dealings as "intense negotiations" in a text message on Saturday evening but declined to say if a deal might be reached this week.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/42484232.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

marstc09
04-05-2009, 10:26 AM
Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1

mountainviking
04-05-2009, 11:20 AM
Winfield's reliability making a tackle makes me think he could pull off S, but personally, I think he fits better at CB, and is one hell of a nickel guy if he loses a step or we somehow get better play outside.
I'm all for keeping Winny, he's made a lot of nice plays for us, and it kind of takes a need away so we can really focus on our offensive passing game in the early part of draft.
;)

You like a bit more thump in your S and expect them to hit bigger guys (RBs/TEs) more often.


What do you guys think he's looking for?
There hasn't been any $#s posted has there?
I don't think we should pay him in the 10 mill/year range like the last couple of big name FA CBs...IF thats what he wants, we probably draft a CB in round 1 or 2 and say see ya later.
I was thinking, similar totals to Cedric's contract, but for a year less.
There is some truth to the fact that Tampa2 CBs are asked to do a bit less, and that the scheme can help cover up some coverage issues.



Updating a previous report, Sean Jensen, of the St. Paul Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings CB Cedric Griffin signed a five-year extension worth $28.5 million, according to a source. The contract includes $10.5 million in guaranteed money

Purple Floyd
04-05-2009, 07:02 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Marrdro
04-06-2009, 06:44 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Hardly anticipate a flip out on my part.
I understand that this stuff happens at times.

I will post some stuff about how unhappy I am with him, which in turn will cause all the Whinny CSA'rs to flip out though.
As soon as that happens, I will then have a few buttons I can push and will have some fun with it at thier expense. :o

V4L
04-06-2009, 02:15 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Hardly anticipate a flip out on my part.
I understand that this stuff happens at times.

I will post some stuff about how unhappy I am with him, which in turn will cause all the Whinny CSA'rs to flip out though.

As soon as that happens, I will then have a few buttons I can push and will have some fun with it at thier expense. :o



But he should honor his contract and be at these kinda things shouldn't he?

Overlord
04-06-2009, 02:28 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Hardly anticipate a flip out on my part.
I understand that this stuff happens at times.

I will post some stuff about how unhappy I am with him, which in turn will cause all the Whinny CSA'rs to flip out though.

As soon as that happens, I will then have a few buttons I can push and will have some fun with it at thier expense. :o



But he should honor his contract and be at these kinda things shouldn't he?


The workouts at this point are voluntary.
So, it's not part of his contract, he doesn't have to show up, and it's not a holdout.

A lot of guys do, but there are always a few that don't for whatever reason.
Tough to read much into it.

V4L
04-06-2009, 02:45 PM
"Overlord" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Hardly anticipate a flip out on my part.
I understand that this stuff happens at times.

I will post some stuff about how unhappy I am with him, which in turn will cause all the Whinny CSA'rs to flip out though.

As soon as that happens, I will then have a few buttons I can push and will have some fun with it at thier expense. :o



But he should honor his contract and be at these kinda things shouldn't he?


The workouts at this point are voluntary.
So, it's not part of his contract, he doesn't have to show up, and it's not a holdout.

A lot of guys do, but there are always a few that don't for whatever reason.
Tough to read much into it.



I know man :)

Marrdro
04-06-2009, 03:28 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Hardly anticipate a flip out on my part.
I understand that this stuff happens at times.

I will post some stuff about how unhappy I am with him, which in turn will cause all the Whinny CSA'rs to flip out though.

As soon as that happens, I will then have a few buttons I can push and will have some fun with it at thier expense. :o



But he should honor his contract and be at these kinda things shouldn't he?

I hear ya, he is, at least IMHO, a team leader and should be there.

V4L
04-06-2009, 03:30 PM
We should probably just trade him and Allen and Chester

jargomcfargo
04-06-2009, 04:02 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Hardly anticipate a flip out on my part.
I understand that this stuff happens at times.

I will post some stuff about how unhappy I am with him, which in turn will cause all the Whinny CSA'rs to flip out though.

As soon as that happens, I will then have a few buttons I can push and will have some fun with it at thier expense. :o



But he should honor his contract and be at these kinda things shouldn't he?

I hear ya, he is, at least IMHO, a team leader and should be there.


You ran Birk off with all that talk last year. Are you going to run Winfield off now?
;)

V4L
04-06-2009, 04:08 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:




Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Hardly anticipate a flip out on my part.
I understand that this stuff happens at times.

I will post some stuff about how unhappy I am with him, which in turn will cause all the Whinny CSA'rs to flip out though.

As soon as that happens, I will then have a few buttons I can push and will have some fun with it at thier expense. :o



But he should honor his contract and be at these kinda things shouldn't he?

I hear ya, he is, at least IMHO, a team leader and should be there.


You ran Birk off with all that talk last year. Are you going to run Winfield off now?
;)



He already was stated that Allen wouldn't be on his team since he is missing these voluntary camps

Marrdro
04-06-2009, 04:13 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:




Winfield's status unclear
Cornerback seeks contract extension
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/04/2009 11:36:07 PM CDT


The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said contract negotiations with the Vikings are "moving along" but wasn't sure if his client would attend the start of the team's offseason workout program on Monday.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12074121?nclick_check=1


So noe he might hold out even though he is under contract? Marr is going to flip if that happens.

Hardly anticipate a flip out on my part.
I understand that this stuff happens at times.

I will post some stuff about how unhappy I am with him, which in turn will cause all the Whinny CSA'rs to flip out though.

As soon as that happens, I will then have a few buttons I can push and will have some fun with it at thier expense. :o



But he should honor his contract and be at these kinda things shouldn't he?

I hear ya, he is, at least IMHO, a team leader and should be there.


You ran Birk off with all that talk last year. Are you going to run Winfield off now?
;)

No one gets special treatment around Marrdro Camp.
Any/all are held to the same standard.
;D

Tad7
05-11-2009, 09:08 AM
The agent for Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield said in a text message Sunday night that talks of an extension with the Vikings have broken down.

"There are no active negotiations and there are no further talks planned," Ashanti Webb said in a text message.

Asked how he feels about that, Webb said, "Disappointed. Very disappointed."

Webb did not return follow-up messages asking whether he or the Vikings cut off talks and whether Winfield would attend the team's mandatory mini-camp later this month.
http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12341186?source=rss

thepacksux
05-11-2009, 09:14 AM
hopefully this is just posturing.
We can always franchise him if needed!

marstc09
05-11-2009, 09:39 AM
Talks Break Down Between Winfield, Vikings
Posted by Mike Florio on May 11, 2009, 7:07 a.m. EDT


“There are no active negotiations and there are no further talks planned,” agent Ashanti Webb told Sean Jensen of the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/11/talks-break-down-between-winfield-vikings/

marstc09
05-11-2009, 09:41 AM
Minnesota Vikings, cornerback Antoine Winfield reach an impasse
By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 05/11/2009 06:07:18 AM CDT


Asked how he feels about that, Webb said, "Disappointed. Very disappointed."

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_12341186?nclick_check=1

marstc09
05-11-2009, 09:51 AM
Shouldn't this topic name be changed.

???

Marrdro
05-11-2009, 10:04 AM
This is sad news.
Wonder if a certain someones (who I refuse to comment on) CAP hit might be impeding contract talks with players in same contract status as Whinny?

Zeus
05-11-2009, 10:05 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


Shouldn't this topic name be changed.

???


You really think the moderators should be monitoring all developments and then changing thread titles to suit the current reporting?

=Z=

marstc09
05-11-2009, 10:09 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Shouldn't this topic name be changed.

???


You really think the moderators should be monitoring all developments and then changing thread titles to suit the current reporting?

=Z=


I would.

jessejames09
05-11-2009, 10:11 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


This is sad news.

Wonder if a certain someones (who I refuse to comment on) CAP hit might be impeding contract talks with players in same contract status as Whinny?


We should have enough room this year, AW's new salary would have to be greater than $6M (which it is this year) for us to actually take a hit. If it's less we're just gaining cap room. As for next year I don't think Bryz would start us off in the hole, we always seem to have around $20 million to spend in the off season.

Also I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're blaming AD or JA...

Marrdro
05-11-2009, 10:13 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


This is sad news.

Wonder if a certain someones (who I refuse to comment on) CAP hit might be impeding contract talks with players in same contract status as Whinny?


We should have enough room this year, AW's new salary would have to be greater than $6M (which it is this year) for us to actually take a hit. If it's less we're just gaining cap room. As for next year I don't think Bryz would start us off in the hole, we always seem to have around $20 million to spend in the off season.

Also I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're blaming AD or JA...

LOL, I am not.
The nameless player is currently NOT on the team.
;D

marstc09
05-11-2009, 10:15 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


This is sad news.

Wonder if a certain someones (who I refuse to comment on) CAP hit might be impeding contract talks with players in same contract status as Whinny?


We should have enough room this year, AW's new salary would have to be greater than $6M (which it is this year) for us to actually take a hit. If it's less we're just gaining cap room. As for next year I don't think Bryz would start us off in the hole, we always seem to have around $20 million to spend in the off season.

Also I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're blaming AD or JA...

LOL, I am not.
The nameless player is currently NOT on the team.
;D


BRETT FAVRE!

http://games.easports.com/downloads/easports/madden09/img/Favre_Vikings.JPG

Purple Floyd
05-11-2009, 07:32 PM
Well, I suppose we should cut his ass becuase he might miss OTA's and some of the offseason program, plus he is almost as old as Sharper.

PurplePowerPunch
05-11-2009, 07:47 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Well, I suppose we should cut his jiggly butt becuase he might miss OTA's and some of the offseason program, plus he is almost as old as Sharper.


I'm pretty sure that Winfield has earned a new contract.

Vikes_King
05-11-2009, 09:09 PM
"PurplePowerPunch" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Well, I suppose we should cut his jiggly butt becuase he might miss OTA's and some of the offseason program, plus he is almost as old as Sharper.


I'm pretty sure that Winfield has earned a new contract.


+1

marstc09
05-11-2009, 09:15 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"PurplePowerPunch" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Well, I suppose we should cut his jiggly butt becuase he might miss OTA's and some of the offseason program, plus he is almost as old as Sharper.


I'm pretty sure that Winfield has earned a new contract.


+1


LOL I think that was a knock on Marrdro.

Purple Floyd
05-11-2009, 10:05 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"PurplePowerPunch" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Well, I suppose we should cut his jiggly butt becuase he might miss OTA's and some of the offseason program, plus he is almost as old as Sharper.


I'm pretty sure that Winfield has earned a new contract.


+1


LOL I think that was a knock on Marrdro.


What... Me? ;D

Marrdro
05-12-2009, 07:37 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"PurplePowerPunch" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Well, I suppose we should cut his jiggly butt becuase he might miss OTA's and some of the offseason program, plus he is almost as old as Sharper.


I'm pretty sure that Winfield has earned a new contract.


+1


LOL I think that was a knock on Marrdro.

Knock away.
Truth of the matter is, what we are seeing here is a FO who says "Yea we want you but at this price, and a player who says, I want to stay but not at that price."
Wonder who will win out, the player or the FO?


My guess, the FO as the player will have to come in and play his final year out so that he can show the rest of the league (who might be paying for his services next year) that he can still play at the level (Price) he is/will be asking.

Additionally, not picking on PPP here, but if I'm not mistaken a player earns his contract after he signs it based on the play in games that have yet to be played instead of the games from the past.
::)

singersp
05-12-2009, 07:56 AM
What happened with Winfield talks? (http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2841)


...what happened in the contract talks between the Vikings and veteran cornerback Antoine Winfield? When the Vikings made the surprise announcement in March that they had quietly negotiated a five-year extension worth more than $25 million with corner Cedric Griffin, it also got out that Minnesota was in talks with Winfield’s agent, Ashanti Webb, about an extension.....

Marrdro
05-12-2009, 08:04 AM
Another interesting read, thanks.

Zeus
05-12-2009, 09:00 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Another interesting read, thanks.


Especially this part:


Of course at the end of the day, leverage is what these negotiations are all about and the player and team are always trying to get the upper hand. Webb declined to get into any discussions on if talks could pick up again before training camp. “That’s a long [time] from now so I don’t want to comment on that,” he said in a text message. But it certainly would not be surprising to see something get done around the time camp opens. Remember, the rhetoric of contract talks is just that.

A recent example: Less than two years ago, July 2007 to be exact, the agent for nose tackle Pat Williams declared he had ended negotiations on a contract extension with the Vikings after telling the team that if a deal wasn’t in place by the time training camp opened, his plan was to cease talks. Just over a month later, Williams signed a three-year, $22 million extension.


I was remembering that this morning and was about to bring that up - glad the yutzes did it for me.

=Z=

Marrdro
05-12-2009, 09:17 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Another interesting read, thanks.


Especially this part:


Of course at the end of the day, leverage is what these negotiations are all about and the player and team are always trying to get the upper hand. Webb declined to get into any discussions on if talks could pick up again before training camp. “That’s a long [time] from now so I don’t want to comment on that,” he said in a text message. But it certainly would not be surprising to see something get done around the time camp opens. Remember, the rhetoric of contract talks is just that.

A recent example: Less than two years ago, July 2007 to be exact, the agent for nose tackle Pat Williams declared he had ended negotiations on a contract extension with the Vikings after telling the team that if a deal wasn’t in place by the time training camp opened, his plan was to cease talks. Just over a month later, Williams signed a three-year, $22 million extension.


I was remembering that this morning and was about to bring that up - glad the yutzes did it for me.

=Z=

???????

Lost me, what were you remembering?

PurpleTide
05-12-2009, 09:55 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Another interesting read, thanks.


Especially this part:


Of course at the end of the day, leverage is what these negotiations are all about and the player and team are always trying to get the upper hand. Webb declined to get into any discussions on if talks could pick up again before training camp. “That’s a long [time] from now so I don’t want to comment on that,” he said in a text message. But it certainly would not be surprising to see something get done around the time camp opens. Remember, the rhetoric of contract talks is just that.

A recent example: Less than two years ago, July 2007 to be exact, the agent for nose tackle Pat Williams declared he had ended negotiations on a contract extension with the Vikings after telling the team that if a deal wasn’t in place by the time training camp opened, his plan was to cease talks. Just over a month later, Williams signed a three-year, $22 million extension.


I was remembering that this morning and was about to bring that up - glad the yutzes did it for me.

=Z=

???????

Lost me, what were you remembering?


He is talking about Winney playing it just like big Pat did a couple years ago.

Marrdro
05-12-2009, 11:29 AM
"PurpleTide" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Another interesting read, thanks.


Especially this part:


Of course at the end of the day, leverage is what these negotiations are all about and the player and team are always trying to get the upper hand. Webb declined to get into any discussions on if talks could pick up again before training camp. “That’s a long [time] from now so I don’t want to comment on that,” he said in a text message. But it certainly would not be surprising to see something get done around the time camp opens. Remember, the rhetoric of contract talks is just that.

A recent example: Less than two years ago, July 2007 to be exact, the agent for nose tackle Pat Williams declared he had ended negotiations on a contract extension with the Vikings after telling the team that if a deal wasn’t in place by the time training camp opened, his plan was to cease talks. Just over a month later, Williams signed a three-year, $22 million extension.


I was remembering that this morning and was about to bring that up - glad the yutzes did it for me.

=Z=

???????

Lost me, what were you remembering?


He is talking about Winney playing it just like big Pat did a couple years ago.

Ahhh.
Even though I don't see them as the same type of issue, I see the logic behind that way of thinking....Sorta.

Zeus
05-12-2009, 04:02 PM
"PurpleTide" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Another interesting read, thanks.


Especially this part:


Of course at the end of the day, leverage is what these negotiations are all about and the player and team are always trying to get the upper hand. Webb declined to get into any discussions on if talks could pick up again before training camp. “That’s a long [time] from now so I don’t want to comment on that,” he said in a text message. But it certainly would not be surprising to see something get done around the time camp opens. Remember, the rhetoric of contract talks is just that.

A recent example: Less than two years ago, July 2007 to be exact, the agent for nose tackle Pat Williams declared he had ended negotiations on a contract extension with the Vikings after telling the team that if a deal wasn’t in place by the time training camp opened, his plan was to cease talks. Just over a month later, Williams signed a three-year, $22 million extension.


I was remembering that this morning and was about to bring that up - glad the yutzes did it for me.


???????

Lost me, what were you remembering?


He is talking about Winney playing it just like big Pat did a couple years ago.


I wasn't talking about Winfield playing anything.
I was talking about how the "reports" were that negotiations were "cooled" or otherwise at an impasse - right before something happened.
The Vikings prefer not to play these games in the press.

=Z=

Marrdro
05-13-2009, 09:17 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"PurpleTide" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Another interesting read, thanks.


Especially this part:


Of course at the end of the day, leverage is what these negotiations are all about and the player and team are always trying to get the upper hand. Webb declined to get into any discussions on if talks could pick up again before training camp. “That’s a long [time] from now so I don’t want to comment on that,” he said in a text message. But it certainly would not be surprising to see something get done around the time camp opens. Remember, the rhetoric of contract talks is just that.

A recent example: Less than two years ago, July 2007 to be exact, the agent for nose tackle Pat Williams declared he had ended negotiations on a contract extension with the Vikings after telling the team that if a deal wasn’t in place by the time training camp opened, his plan was to cease talks. Just over a month later, Williams signed a three-year, $22 million extension.


I was remembering that this morning and was about to bring that up - glad the yutzes did it for me.


???????

Lost me, what were you remembering?


He is talking about Winney playing it just like big Pat did a couple years ago.


I wasn't talking about Winfield playing anything.
I was talking about how the "reports" were that negotiations were "cooled" or otherwise at an impasse - right before something happened.
The Vikings prefer not to play these games in the press.
=Z=

Excellent point and thanks makes more sense to me....... ;D

marstc09
05-13-2009, 02:54 PM
I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)

Mr Anderson
05-13-2009, 02:56 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)

But there's a major responsibility difference, which Sharper's age and drop in speed effected. Winfield is only responsible(most of the time) from the LOS to 15 or so yards downfield. Sharper had an entire deep-half to cover.

marstc09
05-13-2009, 02:58 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"PurplePowerPunch" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Well, I suppose we should cut his jiggly butt becuase he might miss OTA's and some of the offseason program, plus he is almost as old as Sharper.


I'm pretty sure that Winfield has earned a new contract.


+1


LOL I think that was a knock on Marrdro.

Knock away.
Truth of the matter is, what we are seeing here is a FO who says "Yea we want you but at this price, and a player who says, I want to stay but not at that price."
Wonder who will win out, the player or the FO?


My guess, the FO as the player will have to come in and play his final year out so that he can show the rest of the league (who might be paying for his services next year) that he can still play at the level (Price) he is/will be asking.

Additionally, not picking on PPP here, but if I'm not mistaken a player earns his contract after he signs it based on the play in games that have yet to be played instead of the games from the past.

::)


What does that have to do with the knock?

jessejames09
05-13-2009, 03:02 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fucking beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.

marstc09
05-13-2009, 03:08 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fucking beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.


Sharper looked bad because the system he was in. Sharper even stated that.

C Mac D
05-13-2009, 03:10 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fucking beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.


Sharper looked bad because the system he was in. Sharper even stated that.


The system doesn't seem to work for a lot of our players. Sorta makes you think about who's running the system.

Mr Anderson
05-13-2009, 03:23 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fucking beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.


Sharper looked bad because the system he was in. Sharper even stated that.

And a lot of that had to do with his declining speed. In prior defenses he was a free safety(as opposed to his role here, where there is no safety distinction). His responsibility was to read and react. He's great at reading an offense, which is evident by his number of interceptions in the past. But in the cover 2, his role isn't as reactionary and doesn't give him as much freedom on the field. He has the same responsibility virtually every play. "Don't let anyone behind you."

Zeus
05-13-2009, 03:49 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fucking beast...


Pat Williams isn't asked to run up and down the field all day long.
His responsibilities are all within about 5 yards from where he takes sets up pre-snap.
AND he comes out on passing downs.

And Liverpool sucks.

=Z=

V4L
05-13-2009, 04:29 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fucking beast...


Pat Williams isn't asked to run up and down the field all day long.
His responsibilities are all within about 5 yards from where he takes sets up pre-snap.
AND he comes out on passing downs.

And Liverpool sucks.

=Z=



LMAO

+1

bleedpurple
05-13-2009, 04:52 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fricken beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.


Sharper looked bad because the system he was in. Sharper even stated that.


you mean the system that got him the the pro-bowl two out of the 4 years he was here including one season where he had 9 picks... 3 in one game..?

oh yeah that system!!

marstc09
05-13-2009, 05:18 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fricken beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.


Sharper looked bad because the system he was in. Sharper even stated that.


you mean the system that got him the the pro-bowl two out of the 4 years he was here including one season where he had 9 picks... 3 in one game..?

oh yeah that system!!


Actually Sharper said that they changed it up on him.

Zeus
05-14-2009, 11:26 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fricken beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.


Sharper looked bad because the system he was in. Sharper even stated that.


you mean the system that got him the the pro-bowl two out of the 4 years he was here including one season where he had 9 picks... 3 in one game..?

oh yeah that system!!


Actually Sharper said that they changed it up on him.


How did the system make him whiff on tackles?

=Z=

V4L
05-14-2009, 12:21 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:




I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fricken beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.


Sharper looked bad because the system he was in. Sharper even stated that.


you mean the system that got him the the pro-bowl two out of the 4 years he was here including one season where he had 9 picks... 3 in one game..?

oh yeah that system!!


Actually Sharper said that they changed it up on him.


How did the system make him whiff on tackles?

=Z=



He was not known as a great tackler so I didnt mind

And he only whiffed on like 2-3 tackles this year

Worst was the Hester shit

kevoncox
05-14-2009, 01:25 PM
How bad can your saftey be when you have the 6th rank defense? Unfortunatly, as a saftey the only time your name gets called is when you make a mistake. I saw a lot of great pass break ups, coverage sacks and secure tackles. I know a lot of you a still mad about him not fallingon that fumble but if he had picked it up and scored, you would be cheering your arses off. There is always a risk reward and it's easy to say he should have done something, after he gets tackled but on a lot of those INTS, he should have just gone down.

I just hope that Johnson is as sound in his coverage as Johnson was because Mcnabb made him look foolish. Sharper leaving was one of the biggest turning points in the game. I hope he is ready.

Yfz01
05-14-2009, 10:11 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


How bad can your saftey be when you have the 6th rank defense? Unfortunatly, as a saftey the only time your name gets called is when you make a mistake. I saw a lot of great pass break ups, coverage sacks and secure tackles. I know a lot of you a still mad about him not fallingon that fumble but if he had picked it up and scored, you would be cheering your arses off. There is always a risk reward and it's easy to say he should have done something, after he gets tackled but on a lot of those INTS, he should have just gone down.

I just hope that Johnson is as sound in his coverage as Johnson was because Mcnabb made him look foolish. Sharper leaving was one of the biggest turning points in the game. I hope he is ready.



I think people need to take note.
Sharper wasn't that bad!
I agree. 8)

singersp
05-16-2009, 01:51 PM
Vikings' Favre talks might impact Winfield deal (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12377843?)


The timing of the impasse of the Minnesota Vikings' contract extension talks with Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield is becoming curious....

MVIKING7
05-16-2009, 01:53 PM
Yea I agree that it's paramount to sign Antoine. This guy should be a fixture in this defense

Johnson14
05-16-2009, 03:10 PM
"MVIKING7" wrote:


Yea I agree that it's paramount to sign Antoine. This guy should be a fixture in this defense


+1

marshallvike
05-16-2009, 07:08 PM
"MVIKING7" wrote:


Yea I agree that it's paramount to sign Antoine. This guy should be a fixture in this defense


he has shown nothing but consistency and class since he came here. I hope he continues as a viking and retires in the purple.

Marrdro
05-17-2009, 01:37 AM
"singersp" wrote:


Vikings' Favre talks might impact Winfield deal (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12377843?)


The timing of the impasse of the Minnesota Vikings' contract extension talks with Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield is becoming curious....



http://ux.brookdalecc.edu/fac/socsci/Scales_of_justice2.jpg

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Let the scales of justice tip to the right person my friends...........

Schutz
05-17-2009, 01:45 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Vikings' Favre talks might impact Winfield deal (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12377843?)


The timing of the impasse of the Minnesota Vikings' contract extension talks with Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield is becoming curious....



http://ux.brookdalecc.edu/fac/socsci/Scales_of_justice2.jpg

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Let the scales of justice tip to the right person my friends...........


Well I'm sure some young center prospect on the Vikings roster could fill in at CB.

VikingsTw
05-17-2009, 02:35 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


I wonder if those people that called Sharper old are going to do the same with Winfield after this year. There would only be a years difference.
::)


Winfield had his best season to date at the age of 31. I don't think 1 birthday is going to make his wheels fall off. Sharper was, and is, on the decline, Winfield isn't.

Pat Williams is older than both of them, no one bitches about him because he's a fricken beast...

To summarize age doesn't matter, unless you let it show, like Sharper did last year.


Solid post.

To add on to the Sharper debate, I don't know that anyone felt he played "horrible", I just think people saw a decline in play along with him not really "fitting in". I thought that anytime Johnson got in we were much more aggresive in terms of a down field tackler or tackler period, open field, in the box, you name it, Tyrell was very impressive, saved some TD's too. Tyrell needs to work on his coverage but I saw enough as a rookie to know that he's not a major liability. I look foward to his 2nd Season but I don't expect his best till at least his 3rd and even 4th Seasons.

As far as Winfield goes I would really like him to retire here, but in the right role, going into the future I think he's going to have to take a backseat at times from the main CB position. As a really good slot cover man and a specail teams ace, I would love to have him on the team. He's been nothing but solid his entire carear with Minny. Class Act guy too, really great veteran to have around.

I thought last year he was beat for more TD's and downfield plays, but came up huge in big times. I think he's a dangerous nickle guy due to his ability to blitz and that role could keep him fresh into his later 30's.

Purple Floyd
05-17-2009, 09:34 AM
I don't have any problem getting him a contract, but hopefully it is heavily based on performance incentives so when his performance drops we aren't stuck with a large contract that is taking away money from what we could be paying his replacement.

Marrdro
05-17-2009, 07:00 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Vikings' Favre talks might impact Winfield deal (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12377843?)


The timing of the impasse of the Minnesota Vikings' contract extension talks with Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield is becoming curious....



http://ux.brookdalecc.edu/fac/socsci/Scales_of_justice2.jpg

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Let the scales of justice tip to the right person my friends...........


Well I'm sure some young center prospect on the Vikings roster could fill in at CB.


But can he fill in at LB, DE, and multiple CB spots?
Lord Dickhead will command a significant amount of money that could/should be used to keep our team solid both on the starter front, but the backups as well.

midgensa
05-17-2009, 07:10 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Vikings' Favre talks might impact Winfield deal (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12377843?)


The timing of the impasse of the Minnesota Vikings' contract extension talks with Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield is becoming curious....



http://ux.brookdalecc.edu/fac/socsci/Scales_of_justice2.jpg

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Let the scales of justice tip to the right person my friends...........


Well I'm sure some young center prospect on the Vikings roster could fill in at CB.


But can he fill in at LB, DE, and multiple CB spots?
Lord Dickhead will command a significant amount of money that could/should be used to keep our team solid both on the starter front, but the backups as well.


Look Marr ... I know you hate LD and all, but every network and every publication that has actually crunched the numbers have shown that this will not hurt us all that much financially to get Favre.

Some have thrown out outrageous numbers like $10 million, but most have us in the area of $5 million or so max to land Favre for a year ... and that definitely does not hurt Winny's negotiations.

Winny's negotiations are hurt most by the fact that he is 32 this year and to sign up a corner for two years at age 33 and 34 is tough. Speed is one of the things that goes first with age ... and speed can kill you at corner. I personally want to keep him around ... and think he is worth the 2 years/$10-11 million or so that has been rumored to be where the Vikes stand ... but much more than that is a serious commitment to make. They have good reason to want to make sure he has not lost a step and is still worth the money by watching this year.

Winfield's situation likely has very little to do with Favre.

Odin VAVikefan
05-17-2009, 07:29 PM
Whether Winfield's contract situation is tied to Lord Dickhead's potential signing or not is debatable.

But I honestly believe we overall will suffer more this year without Winny than if we stick with TJ and Rosencopter instead of grabbing LD.

Plus Winfield deserves to retire as a Viking.

V4L
05-17-2009, 07:55 PM
We will still have money if we sign Farve to resign the players we need to

i_bleed_purple
05-17-2009, 09:26 PM
"Odin" wrote:


Whether Winfield's contract situation is tied to Lord Dickhead's potential signing or not is debatable.

But I honestly believe we overall will suffer more this year without Winny than if we stick with TJ and Rosencopter instead of grabbing LD.

Plus Winfield deserves to retire as a Viking.


We still have winfield next season, we're working on an extension as he's a FA after next season.

Marrdro
05-17-2009, 11:20 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Vikings' Favre talks might impact Winfield deal (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12377843?)


The timing of the impasse of the Minnesota Vikings' contract extension talks with Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield is becoming curious....



http://ux.brookdalecc.edu/fac/socsci/Scales_of_justice2.jpg

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Lord Dickhead............Whinny.
::)

Let the scales of justice tip to the right person my friends...........


Well I'm sure some young center prospect on the Vikings roster could fill in at CB.


But can he fill in at LB, DE, and multiple CB spots?
Lord Dickhead will command a significant amount of money that could/should be used to keep our team solid both on the starter front, but the backups as well.


Look Marr ... I know you hate LD and all, but every network and every publication that has actually crunched the numbers have shown that this will not hurt us all that much financially to get Favre.

Some have thrown out outrageous numbers like $10 million, but most have us in the area of $5 million or so max to land Favre for a year ... and that definitely does not hurt Winny's negotiations.

Winny's negotiations are hurt most by the fact that he is 32 this year and to sign up a corner for two years at age 33 and 34 is tough. Speed is one of the things that goes first with age ... and speed can kill you at corner. I personally want to keep him around ... and think he is worth the 2 years/$10-11 million or so that has been rumored to be where the Vikes stand ... but much more than that is a serious commitment to make. They have good reason to want to make sure he has not lost a step and is still worth the money by watching this year.

Winfield's situation likely has very little to do with Favre.

I hope your right my friend.
Just seems a bit of a coincidence that we were working several extensions with several players and now that is all kindof gone to the way side.

Again, call it coincidence or whatever, just something that worries me.
:'(

Vikes_King
05-18-2009, 07:12 AM
If it came down to Favre vs Winny, it shouldn't even be a discussion.
Winfield is a Viking.
Even if Favre wore purple, I wouldn't call him a "Viking".



Give the man what he's earned.
Fuck Favre.

ThorSPL
05-18-2009, 11:39 AM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


If it came down to Favre vs Winny, it shouldn't even be a discussion.
Winfield is a Viking.
Even if Favre wore purple, I wouldn't call him a "Viking".



Give the man what he's earned.
Fuck Favre.


So basically, you're saying he's not a Vikings he's a band-aid....

jessejames09
05-18-2009, 11:41 AM
Wouldn't contract negotiations with Winfield stop when we started to negotiate with our rookies? We have to make sure these guys get to TC before we lock down our Vets.

midgensa
05-18-2009, 11:52 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


Wouldn't contract negotiations with Winfield stop when we started to negotiate with our rookies? We have to make sure these guys get to TC before we lock down our Vets.


Yeah ... it is silly speculation by a sportswriter who has nothing else really to write about right now.
We have plenty of cap space to bring Favre in and to sign Winny. I doubt one has to do with the other.

mountainviking
05-18-2009, 12:10 PM
There is a difference between, Can Fit it in the Cap, and Want to fit all that under the Cap!
Could be that our small market team doesn't want to spend the limit!!

I'm still hoping, that they're just busy, as mentioned, with other dealings...rookie contracts, suddenly Free Agent Vets, former QBs etc...and that we'll get back to reupping Winnny a couple of weeks into the season when he's playing his tail off and we've settled the rest of this business.

Zeus
05-18-2009, 02:41 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


I hope your right my friend.
Just seems a bit of a coincidence that we were working several extensions with several players and now that is all kindof gone to the way side.

Again, call it coincidence or whatever, just something that worries me.

:'(


You're always worried about something.
Don't forget what I wrote last week - the Vikings prefer to do their negotiations in private - not in the newspapers and blogs.

=Z=

V4L
05-18-2009, 05:54 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I hope your right my friend.
Just seems a bit of a coincidence that we were working several extensions with several players and now that is all kindof gone to the way side.

Again, call it coincidence or whatever, just something that worries me.

:'(


You're always worried about something.
Don't forget what I wrote last week - the Vikings prefer to do their negotiations in private - not in the newspapers and blogs.

=Z=



Thank you

We are very private about the things we do

singersp
05-22-2009, 07:03 AM
Childress says Vikings still want Winfield deal (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i8hu7LeYtT78YxfpNsDVI1X_F_uQD98AUQSO0)

10 hours ago


EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP) — The Vikings are still interested in signing cornerback Antoine Winfield to a contract extension....

marstc09
05-28-2009, 01:44 AM
Winfield Expected To Attend Vikings’ Minicamp


According to Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Vikings linebacker Erin Henderson indicated during a radio interview with KFAN today that Winfield will attend the workouts.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/27/winfield-expected-to-attend-vikings-minicamp/

singersp
05-28-2009, 06:41 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


Winfield Expected To Attend Vikings’ Minicamp


According to Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Vikings linebacker Erin Henderson indicated during a radio interview with KFAN today that Winfield will attend the workouts.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/27/winfield-expected-to-attend-vikings-minicamp/


Why wouldn't he? He's still under contract & the only thing we've been talking about is an extension to his contract beyond this year.

Marrdro
05-28-2009, 08:26 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I hope your right My Sexy Little Pixie.
Just seems a bit of a coincidence that we were working several extensions with several players and now that is all kindof gone to the way side.

Again, call it coincidence or whatever, just something that worries me.

:'(


You're always worried about something.
Don't forget what I wrote last week - the Vikings prefer to do their negotiations in private - not in the newspapers and blogs.

=Z=

I hear ya my friend, but lets not forget that there are two sides to this effort.
The Vikes org and the player, to include thier agent.

We all know how the latter two seem to want to air dirty laundry at times.

Zeus
05-28-2009, 08:35 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I hope your right My Sexy Little Pixie.
Just seems a bit of a coincidence that we were working several extensions with several players and now that is all kindof gone to the way side.

Again, call it coincidence or whatever, just something that worries me.

:'(


You're always worried about something.
Don't forget what I wrote last week - the Vikings prefer to do their negotiations in private - not in the newspapers and blogs.


I hear ya my friend, but lets not forget that there are two sides to this effort.

The Vikes org and the player, to include thier agent.

We all know how the latter two seem to want to air dirty laundry at times.


Well - I've heard Antoine on KFAN a number of times with PA over the past month and he hasn't said one negative word about his contract situation.

=Z=

Marrdro
05-28-2009, 08:55 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I hope your right My Sexy Little Pixie.
Just seems a bit of a coincidence that we were working several extensions with several players and now that is all kindof gone to the way side.

Again, call it coincidence or whatever, just something that worries me.

:'(


You're always worried about something.
Don't forget what I wrote last week - the Vikings prefer to do their negotiations in private - not in the newspapers and blogs.


I hear ya My Sexy Little Pixie, but lets not forget that there are two sides to this effort.

The Vikes org and the player, to include thier agent.

We all know how the latter two seem to want to air dirty laundry at times.


Well - I've heard Antoine on KFAN a number of times with PA over the past month and he hasn't said one negative word about his contract situation.

=Z=

And I have been nice to him in my posts.
;D

In fact, it is more than just Whinny that has been silent.
Lets not forget, Ricky boy said they were working with "Several" players.
Kindof speaks to the maturity of this team IMHO.

Regardless, I still worry.
;)

jargomcfargo
05-29-2009, 04:44 PM
Report is Winfield was a no show for mandatory OTA.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/

gregair13
05-29-2009, 04:57 PM
Winfield can skip camp all he wants as long as he is ready to ball on some chins come game 1

gagarr
05-29-2009, 05:43 PM
Winny, missing minicamp is only good if you're going down to MS and slapping Favre into making up his mind.
That is what is slowing down the whole contract negotiations.

Purple Floyd
05-29-2009, 08:03 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Report is Winfield was a no show for mandatory OTA.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/


Cut his ass. He needs to be there to set an example for the young guys. He just went to the bottom of the old Lotus 1-2-3.

Marrdro
05-30-2009, 06:04 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Report is Winfield was a no show for mandatory OTA.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/


Cut his jiggly butt. He needs to be there to set an example for the young guys. He just went to the bottom of the old Lotus 1-2-3.

Now your catching on.
Pretty soon we will hear something from Phat Pat about how Whinny needs to work harder...... :o :o :o

FuadFan
06-05-2009, 03:06 AM
http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?
???

kevoncox
06-05-2009, 03:31 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Report is Winfield was a no show for mandatory OTA.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/


Cut his jiggly butt. He needs to be there to set an example for the young guys. He just went to the bottom of the old Lotus 1-2-3.

Now your catching on.

Pretty soon we will hear something from Phat Pat about how Whinny needs to work harder...... :o :o :o


Fastest ways to get on Marr's bad side..
10 Miss camp due to contract
2) profess your love for Farve.

singersp
06-05-2009, 06:20 AM
Minnesota Vikings' Antoine Winfield takes mandatory physical (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12512960?nclick_check=1)

From staff, news services
Updated: 06/03/2009 11:44:27 PM CDT


Vikings cornerback Antoine Winfield fulfilled at least one obligation to the team Tuesday: He got his mandatory physical.

Aside from that, however, Winfield has not attended the voluntary organized team activities, and he missed the recent mandatory minicamp to be at the funeral of a close friend's mother.......

singersp
06-05-2009, 06:28 AM
Antoine Winfield: I want to retire a Viking (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12519948)

By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 06/05/2009 12:28:51 AM CDT


Vikings Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield provided a simple reason why he is not at the team's Organized Team Activities.

"I want all to know that I'm not at OTAs because I don't want to be there," Winfield said in a statement late Thursday night. "I do want to be there! As I have stated before, I want to finish my career a Viking."

singersp
06-05-2009, 06:33 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:



Fastest ways to get on Marr's bad side..
10 Miss camp OTA's due to contract
2) profess your love for Farve.


Marrdro, What if Winfield is not showing up for the OTA's because it's his way of protesting against the signing of Lord Dickhead?
:P

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 08:37 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Report is Winfield was a no show for mandatory OTA.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/


Cut his jiggly butt. He needs to be there to set an example for the young guys. He just went to the bottom of the old Lotus 1-2-3.

Now your catching on.

Pretty soon we will hear something from Phat Pat about how Whinny needs to work harder...... :o :o :o


Fastest ways to get on Marr's bad side..
10 Miss camp due to contract
2) profess your love for Farve.

Your catching on as well.
;D

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 08:38 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Fastest ways to get on Marr's bad side..
10 Miss camp OTA's due to contract
2) profess your love for Farve.


Marrdro, What if Winfield is not showing up for the OTA's because it's his way of protesting against the signing of Lord Dickhead?
:P

Still not a valid reason.
He should be there trying to make the team better.
His prowess on the field would help the current crop of QB's get better, thus negating any need to even consider bringing in Lord Noodle Arm Dickhead.

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 08:45 AM
"FuadFan" wrote:


http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?

???

First, thanks for the read my friend.....

Second, I am kindof torn on that subject.
I often wonder if Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead and a contract for his services don't have some play in this.

My rationale is based on what I percieve is the anticipated "Cost" it would be to bring him in........I am 100% convinced that contract won't be a 1 year deal.
If he shows, it will be for at least 2 years.
Just can't get over the feeling that TJ (our only hope right now of a long term solution) would walk when his contract is due.

That would mean we would need a viable option at QB for at least 2 years.
If (and I think its a big if) Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead is able to throw the ball effectively this year, my assumption is that he would be able to do it for 2 years which would allow either Booty or (drafted 2010) QB to get on the squad and progress enough to take over the team when Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead retires for good.

Anyway, thats a long way of saying that I think ole Bryzcheapski is bouncing the numbers and there might not be enough in the coffers to sign not only Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead, but guys like Whinny, Chad, Cook, TJ, etc etc etc.

Option might be to let Whinny play out his last year and then hope either MM or AA can then take over next year.

kspurplepride
06-05-2009, 09:06 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"FuadFan" wrote:


http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?

???

First, thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.....

Second, I am kindof torn on that subject.

I often wonder if Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead and a contract for his services don't have some play in this.

My rationale is based on what I percieve is the anticipated "Cost" it would be to bring him in........I am 100% convinced that contract won't be a 1 year deal.
If he shows, it will be for at least 2 years.
Just can't get over the feeling that TJ (our only hope right now of a long term solution) would walk when his contract is due.

That would mean we would need a viable option at QB for at least 2 years.
If (and I think its a big if) Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead is able to throw the ball effectively this year, my assumption is that he would be able to do it for 2 years which would allow either Booty or (drafted 2010) QB to get on the squad and progress enough to take over the team when Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead retires for good.

Anyway, thats a long way of saying that I think ole Bryzcheapski is bouncing the numbers and there might not be enough in the coffers to sign not only Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead, but guys like Whinny, Chad, Cook, TJ, etc etc etc.

Option might be to let Whinny play out his last year and then hope either MM or AA can then take over next year.


Winnie is the anchor of our defense, and our secondary. Our secondary is really young without Winfield back there, and Chilly would be stupid to let a guy that is so perfect for our system go

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 09:09 AM
"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"FuadFan" wrote:


http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?

???

First, thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.....

Second, I am kindof torn on that subject.

I often wonder if Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead and a contract for his services don't have some play in this.

My rationale is based on what I percieve is the anticipated "Cost" it would be to bring him in........I am 100% convinced that contract won't be a 1 year deal.
If he shows, it will be for at least 2 years.
Just can't get over the feeling that TJ (our only hope right now of a long term solution) would walk when his contract is due.

That would mean we would need a viable option at QB for at least 2 years.
If (and I think its a big if) Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead is able to throw the ball effectively this year, my assumption is that he would be able to do it for 2 years which would allow either Booty or (drafted 2010) QB to get on the squad and progress enough to take over the team when Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead retires for good.

Anyway, thats a long way of saying that I think ole Bryzcheapski is bouncing the numbers and there might not be enough in the coffers to sign not only Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead, but guys like Whinny, Chad, Cook, TJ, etc etc etc.

Option might be to let Whinny play out his last year and then hope either MM or AA can then take over next year.


Winnie is the anchor of our defense, and our secondary. Our secondary is really young without Winfield back there, and Chilly would be stupid to let a guy that is so perfect for our system go

I agree with you with one exception.........

This is a decision that isn't being made by the Chiller.
This decision is in the hands of Mr. Spielman, Bryzcheapski and the ownership group.

I am sure the HC has already articulated to them (as he has done in the papers) that he wants his vet back.
Its up to the rest of those Chuckleheads to work it out (financially) if they can.

kspurplepride
06-05-2009, 10:14 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"FuadFan" wrote:


http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?

???

First, thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.....

Second, I am kindof torn on that subject.

I often wonder if Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead and a contract for his services don't have some play in this.

My rationale is based on what I percieve is the anticipated "Cost" it would be to bring him in........I am 100% convinced that contract won't be a 1 year deal.
If he shows, it will be for at least 2 years.
Just can't get over the feeling that TJ (our only hope right now of a long term solution) would walk when his contract is due.

That would mean we would need a viable option at QB for at least 2 years.
If (and I think its a big if) Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead is able to throw the ball effectively this year, my assumption is that he would be able to do it for 2 years which would allow either Booty or (drafted 2010) QB to get on the squad and progress enough to take over the team when Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead retires for good.

Anyway, thats a long way of saying that I think ole Bryzcheapski is bouncing the numbers and there might not be enough in the coffers to sign not only Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead, but guys like Whinny, Chad, Cook, TJ, etc etc etc.

Option might be to let Whinny play out his last year and then hope either MM or AA can then take over next year.


Winnie is the anchor of our defense, and our secondary. Our secondary is really young without Winfield back there, and Chilly would be stupid to let a guy that is so perfect for our system go

I agree with you with one exception.........

This is a decision that isn't being made by the Chiller.
This decision is in the hands of Mr. Spielman, Bryzcheapski and the ownership group.

I am sure the HC has already articulated to them (as he has done in the papers) that he wants his vet back.
Its up to the rest of those Chuckleheads to work it out (financially) if they can.


Its sad really, because its guys like him, griff, Johnson, and EJ that make our defense so ruthless. The hits they lay rival that of the 2000 Ravens, and I believe its because of them and our monsters up front that our defense is quickly becoming one of the most feared defenses in the league. It is a rare thing these days when a player wants to finish his career with a team, and I believe that Winnie bleeds purple and gold through and through. Reward the man that has been our leading tackler over his time here

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 10:32 AM
"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"FuadFan" wrote:


http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?

???

First, thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.....

Second, I am kindof torn on that subject.

I often wonder if Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead and a contract for his services don't have some play in this.

My rationale is based on what I percieve is the anticipated "Cost" it would be to bring him in........I am 100% convinced that contract won't be a 1 year deal.
If he shows, it will be for at least 2 years.
Just can't get over the feeling that TJ (our only hope right now of a long term solution) would walk when his contract is due.

That would mean we would need a viable option at QB for at least 2 years.
If (and I think its a big if) Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead is able to throw the ball effectively this year, my assumption is that he would be able to do it for 2 years which would allow either Booty or (drafted 2010) QB to get on the squad and progress enough to take over the team when Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead retires for good.

Anyway, thats a long way of saying that I think ole Bryzcheapski is bouncing the numbers and there might not be enough in the coffers to sign not only Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead, but guys like Whinny, Chad, Cook, TJ, etc etc etc.

Option might be to let Whinny play out his last year and then hope either MM or AA can then take over next year.


Winnie is the anchor of our defense, and our secondary. Our secondary is really young without Winfield back there, and Chilly would be stupid to let a guy that is so perfect for our system go

I agree with you with one exception.........

This is a decision that isn't being made by the Chiller.
This decision is in the hands of Mr. Spielman, Bryzcheapski and the ownership group.

I am sure the HC has already articulated to them (as he has done in the papers) that he wants his vet back.
Its up to the rest of those Chuckleheads to work it out (financially) if they can.


Its sad really, because its guys like him, griff, Johnson, and EJ that make our defense so ruthless. The hits they lay rival that of the 2000 Ravens, and I believe its because of them and our monsters up front that our defense is quickly becoming one of the most feared defenses in the league. It is a rare thing these days when a player wants to finish his career with a team, and I believe that Winnie bleeds purple and gold through and through. Reward the man that has been our leading tackler over his time here

Again, I hear ya and agree.
Probably why guys like you and me aren't running a NFL team.

I am sure Whinny wants more that he is valued at just as I am sure that the Vikes are trying to get him at a lower value.

Long story short, he is gonna get his last contract and he wants a payday.
The Vikes would be silly to give him that payday because it is his last contract (age).
How silly would it be to give him huge gauranteed money and a long term deal if he can't play?

Need to factor in the fact that they need to have cash available to also sign backups to that position or that very reason.
Give Whinny to much and you don't have any backup.

kspurplepride
06-05-2009, 10:49 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?

???

First, thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.....

Second, I am kindof torn on that subject.

I often wonder if Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead and a contract for his services don't have some play in this.

My rationale is based on what I percieve is the anticipated "Cost" it would be to bring him in........I am 100% convinced that contract won't be a 1 year deal.
If he shows, it will be for at least 2 years.
Just can't get over the feeling that TJ (our only hope right now of a long term solution) would walk when his contract is due.

That would mean we would need a viable option at QB for at least 2 years.
If (and I think its a big if) Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead is able to throw the ball effectively this year, my assumption is that he would be able to do it for 2 years which would allow either Booty or (drafted 2010) QB to get on the squad and progress enough to take over the team when Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead retires for good.

Anyway, thats a long way of saying that I think ole Bryzcheapski is bouncing the numbers and there might not be enough in the coffers to sign not only Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead, but guys like Whinny, Chad, Cook, TJ, etc etc etc.

Option might be to let Whinny play out his last year and then hope either MM or AA can then take over next year.


Winnie is the anchor of our defense, and our secondary. Our secondary is really young without Winfield back there, and Chilly would be stupid to let a guy that is so perfect for our system go

I agree with you with one exception.........

This is a decision that isn't being made by the Chiller.
This decision is in the hands of Mr. Spielman, Bryzcheapski and the ownership group.

I am sure the HC has already articulated to them (as he has done in the papers) that he wants his vet back.
Its up to the rest of those Chuckleheads to work it out (financially) if they can.


Its sad really, because its guys like him, griff, Johnson, and EJ that make our defense so ruthless. The hits they lay rival that of the 2000 Ravens, and I believe its because of them and our monsters up front that our defense is quickly becoming one of the most feared defenses in the league. It is a rare thing these days when a player wants to finish his career with a team, and I believe that Winnie bleeds purple and gold through and through. Reward the man that has been our leading tackler over his time here

Again, I hear ya and agree.

Probably why guys like you and me aren't running a NFL team.

I am sure Whinny wants more that he is valued at just as I am sure that the Vikes are trying to get him at a lower value.

Long story short, he is gonna get his last contract and he wants a payday.
The Vikes would be silly to give him that payday because it is his last contract (age).
How silly would it be to give him huge gauranteed money and a long term deal if he can't play?

Need to factor in the fact that they need to have cash available to also sign backups to that position or that very reason.
Give Whinny to much and you don't have any backup.


Nah, we have plenty of cap room, the problem is that the front office is holding out for ol noodle arm (as you keep refering to him as). They want to be able to pay him the bank that he's not worth anymore, when he would be a marginal upgrade at best. Defense doesn't sell tickets, so ofcourse our office doesn't want to bank money on a legit corner that tackles better than 80% of the linebackers, because he's not flashy. However what they dont realize is that defense (and peterson's steady legs) are what is going to hoist the Lambardi trophy for us one of these days. Our defense suffered heavily when Winnie went down with injuries a couple years ago, and honestly we just can't afford that. Not to mention I want to see the look on Cutlers face when he rolls out of the pocket and gets his teeth knocked our by Winnie... and he thought he was crying in the AFC West.... we hit a bit harder in the North

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 10:56 AM
"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kspurplepride" wrote:






http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?

???

First, thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.....

Second, I am kindof torn on that subject.

I often wonder if Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead and a contract for his services don't have some play in this.

My rationale is based on what I percieve is the anticipated "Cost" it would be to bring him in........I am 100% convinced that contract won't be a 1 year deal.
If he shows, it will be for at least 2 years.
Just can't get over the feeling that TJ (our only hope right now of a long term solution) would walk when his contract is due.

That would mean we would need a viable option at QB for at least 2 years.
If (and I think its a big if) Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead is able to throw the ball effectively this year, my assumption is that he would be able to do it for 2 years which would allow either Booty or (drafted 2010) QB to get on the squad and progress enough to take over the team when Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead retires for good.

Anyway, thats a long way of saying that I think ole Bryzcheapski is bouncing the numbers and there might not be enough in the coffers to sign not only Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead, but guys like Whinny, Chad, Cook, TJ, etc etc etc.

Option might be to let Whinny play out his last year and then hope either MM or AA can then take over next year.


Winnie is the anchor of our defense, and our secondary. Our secondary is really young without Winfield back there, and Chilly would be stupid to let a guy that is so perfect for our system go

I agree with you with one exception.........

This is a decision that isn't being made by the Chiller.
This decision is in the hands of Mr. Spielman, Bryzcheapski and the ownership group.

I am sure the HC has already articulated to them (as he has done in the papers) that he wants his vet back.
Its up to the rest of those Chuckleheads to work it out (financially) if they can.


Its sad really, because its guys like him, griff, Johnson, and EJ that make our defense so ruthless. The hits they lay rival that of the 2000 Ravens, and I believe its because of them and our monsters up front that our defense is quickly becoming one of the most feared defenses in the league. It is a rare thing these days when a player wants to finish his career with a team, and I believe that Winnie bleeds purple and gold through and through. Reward the man that has been our leading tackler over his time here

Again, I hear ya and agree.

Probably why guys like you and me aren't running a NFL team.

I am sure Whinny wants more that he is valued at just as I am sure that the Vikes are trying to get him at a lower value.

Long story short, he is gonna get his last contract and he wants a payday.
The Vikes would be silly to give him that payday because it is his last contract (age).
How silly would it be to give him huge gauranteed money and a long term deal if he can't play?

Need to factor in the fact that they need to have cash available to also sign backups to that position or that very reason.
Give Whinny to much and you don't have any backup.


Nah, we have plenty of cap room, the problem is that the front office is holding out for ol noodle arm (as you keep refering to him as). They want to be able to pay him the bank that he's not worth anymore, when he would be a marginal upgrade at best. Defense doesn't sell tickets, so ofcourse our office doesn't want to bank money on a legit corner that tackles better than 80% of the linebackers, because he's not flashy. However what they dont realize is that defense (and peterson's steady legs) are what is going to hoist the Lambardi trophy for us one of these days. Our defense suffered heavily when Winnie went down with injuries a couple years ago, and honestly we just can't afford that. Not to mention I want to see the look on Cutlers face when he rolls out of the pocket and gets his teeth knocked our by Winnie... and he thought he was crying in the AFC West.... we hit a bit harder in the North

Didn't they win something like 5 straight with a rookie filling in for Whinny when he went down a few years ago.

kspurplepride
06-05-2009, 11:00 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kspurplepride" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:








http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2934


Winfield more or less confirming he is not showing because of contract talks braking down.

Is this something that is strictly tied to us waiting on Favre
or could one side have higher or lower expectations on Winfield's value?

???

First, thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.....

Second, I am kindof torn on that subject.

I often wonder if Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead and a contract for his services don't have some play in this.

My rationale is based on what I percieve is the anticipated "Cost" it would be to bring him in........I am 100% convinced that contract won't be a 1 year deal.
If he shows, it will be for at least 2 years.
Just can't get over the feeling that TJ (our only hope right now of a long term solution) would walk when his contract is due.

That would mean we would need a viable option at QB for at least 2 years.
If (and I think its a big if) Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead is able to throw the ball effectively this year, my assumption is that he would be able to do it for 2 years which would allow either Booty or (drafted 2010) QB to get on the squad and progress enough to take over the team when Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead retires for good.

Anyway, thats a long way of saying that I think ole Bryzcheapski is bouncing the numbers and there might not be enough in the coffers to sign not only Lord Noodle Armed Dickhead, but guys like Whinny, Chad, Cook, TJ, etc etc etc.

Option might be to let Whinny play out his last year and then hope either MM or AA can then take over next year.


Winnie is the anchor of our defense, and our secondary. Our secondary is really young without Winfield back there, and Chilly would be stupid to let a guy that is so perfect for our system go

I agree with you with one exception.........

This is a decision that isn't being made by the Chiller.
This decision is in the hands of Mr. Spielman, Bryzcheapski and the ownership group.

I am sure the HC has already articulated to them (as he has done in the papers) that he wants his vet back.
Its up to the rest of those Chuckleheads to work it out (financially) if they can.


Its sad really, because its guys like him, griff, Johnson, and EJ that make our defense so ruthless. The hits they lay rival that of the 2000 Ravens, and I believe its because of them and our monsters up front that our defense is quickly becoming one of the most feared defenses in the league. It is a rare thing these days when a player wants to finish his career with a team, and I believe that Winnie bleeds purple and gold through and through. Reward the man that has been our leading tackler over his time here

Again, I hear ya and agree.

Probably why guys like you and me aren't running a NFL team.

I am sure Whinny wants more that he is valued at just as I am sure that the Vikes are trying to get him at a lower value.

Long story short, he is gonna get his last contract and he wants a payday.
The Vikes would be silly to give him that payday because it is his last contract (age).
How silly would it be to give him huge gauranteed money and a long term deal if he can't play?

Need to factor in the fact that they need to have cash available to also sign backups to that position or that very reason.
Give Whinny to much and you don't have any backup.


Nah, we have plenty of cap room, the problem is that the front office is holding out for ol noodle arm (as you keep refering to him as). They want to be able to pay him the bank that he's not worth anymore, when he would be a marginal upgrade at best. Defense doesn't sell tickets, so ofcourse our office doesn't want to bank money on a legit corner that tackles better than 80% of the linebackers, because he's not flashy. However what they dont realize is that defense (and peterson's steady legs) are what is going to hoist the Lambardi trophy for us one of these days. Our defense suffered heavily when Winnie went down with injuries a couple years ago, and honestly we just can't afford that. Not to mention I want to see the look on Cutlers face when he rolls out of the pocket and gets his teeth knocked our by Winnie... and he thought he was crying in the AFC West.... we hit a bit harder in the North

Didn't they win something like 5 straight with a rookie filling in for Whinny when he went down a few years ago.


The pass defense from what I remembered struggled though, and if I remember correctly that window wasn't an overly tough one stretch of games

singersp
06-06-2009, 09:22 AM
Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)

By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 06/05/2009 09:08:29 PM CDT


Vikings coach Brad Childress maintained his diplomatic approach to the team's contract negotiations with Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield....

singersp
06-06-2009, 09:25 AM
"singersp" wrote:


Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)


That's a no-brainer isn't it?

Outside of GB's Mike McCarthy, I can only think of 1 other coach, who did not want a certain player to practice with the team.

vikinggreg
06-06-2009, 09:54 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)


That's a no-brainer isn't it?

Outside of GB's Mike McCarthy, I can only think of 1 other coach, who did not want a certain player to practice with the team.


Weren't Culpepper with Miami and McNair with the Titans both keep away from the teams before they were moved

Purple Floyd
06-06-2009, 10:01 AM
"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)


That's a no-brainer isn't it?

Outside of GB's Mike McCarthy, I can only think of 1 other coach, who did not want a certain player to practice with the team.




Weren't Culpepper with Miami and McNair with the Titans both keep away from the teams before they were moved
Yep.

singersp
06-06-2009, 10:42 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)


That's a no-brainer isn't it?

Outside of GB's Mike McCarthy, I can only think of 1 other coach, who did not want a certain player to practice with the team.


Yep.

Weren't Culpepper with Miami and McNair with the Titans both keep away from the teams before they were moved



McNair was the other one I was thinking of. With Culpepper that makes 3.

vikinggreg
06-06-2009, 10:46 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)


That's a no-brainer isn't it?

Outside of GB's Mike McCarthy, I can only think of 1 other coach, who did not want a certain player to practice with the team.


Yep.

Weren't Culpepper with Miami and McNair with the Titans both keep away from the teams before they were moved



McNair was the other one I was thinking of. With Culpepper that makes 3.


I thought you might have been thinking of TO with the Eagles

singersp
06-06-2009, 11:29 AM
"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:




Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)


That's a no-brainer isn't it?

Outside of GB's Mike McCarthy, I can only think of 1 other coach, who did not want a certain player to practice with the team.


Yep.

Weren't Culpepper with Miami and McNair with the Titans both keep away from the teams before they were moved



McNair was the other one I was thinking of. With Culpepper that makes 3.


I thought you might have been thinking of TO with the Eagles


Was he locked out of OTA's & camp? I personally don't know.

I recall him pumping iron in his driveway, but thought that was his choice to stay away & not the coaches.

singersp
06-06-2009, 11:48 AM
Winfield negotiations could be fluid (http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2937)

June 5th, 2009 – 4:03 PM

by Judd Zulgad
startribune.com


Vikings coach Brad Childress made it clear this afternoon that the door is not closed on contract negotiations with veteran cornerback Antoine Winfield. Both sides have done their best to avoid showing any hostility through the media in their negotiations, even though Winfield is staying away from the Vikings’ offseason practices.....

vikinggreg
06-06-2009, 11:54 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:






Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)


That's a no-brainer isn't it?

Outside of GB's Mike McCarthy, I can only think of 1 other coach, who did not want a certain player to practice with the team.


Yep.

Weren't Culpepper with Miami and McNair with the Titans both keep away from the teams before they were moved



McNair was the other one I was thinking of. With Culpepper that makes 3.


I thought you might have been thinking of TO with the Eagles


Was he locked out of OTA's & camp? I personally don't know.

I recall him pumping iron in his driveway, but thought that was his choice to stay away & not the coaches.


Not to sure if it was that or a team suspension for conduct detrimental to the team for saying Andy was fat and McNabb was soft, the usual stuff. I don't thinks he ever cameback to a team facility after the SB until he was in Dallas

vikinggreg
06-06-2009, 12:05 PM
"singersp" wrote:


Winfield negotiations could be fluid (http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2937)

June 5th, 2009 – 4:03 PM

by Judd Zulgad
startribune.com


Vikings coach Brad Childress made it clear this afternoon that the door is not closed on contract negotiations with veteran cornerback Antoine Winfield. Both sides have done their best to avoid showing any hostility through the media in their negotiations, even though Winfield is staying away from the Vikings’ offseason practices.....



Does "fluid" and "free flow" mean Winfield peed on the last offer :o


Childess said. “Personnel, the team, coaching, salary cap, owners and it goes all different directions. Around the circle, back and forth, we are completely transparent.

kind of a friendly pissing match, everyone ones a little wet, but
as long as no one is not using diuretics and staying hydrated a deal will get done.

Mr Anderson
06-06-2009, 12:20 PM
I hope this isn't a money issue, especially going into an uncapped year. He deserves to be paid like a top 5 corner, he's one of the best all-around defensive players in the NFL. I could see there being a contract length dispute, but it's the NFL there's no guarantees anyway.

Just get this straightened out, we don't need any problems with Winfield, and need this defense to be together as much as possible.

V4L
06-06-2009, 01:39 PM
Im comfortable with the situation

Marrdro
06-09-2009, 09:51 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.

ejmat
06-09-2009, 10:08 AM
"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:








Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress wants Antoine Winfield at OTAs (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12529800)


That's a no-brainer isn't it?

Outside of GB's Mike McCarthy, I can only think of 1 other coach, who did not want a certain player to practice with the team.


Yep.

Weren't Culpepper with Miami and McNair with the Titans both keep away from the teams before they were moved



McNair was the other one I was thinking of. With Culpepper that makes 3.


I thought you might have been thinking of TO with the Eagles


Was he locked out of OTA's & camp? I personally don't know.

I recall him pumping iron in his driveway, but thought that was his choice to stay away & not the coaches.


Not to sure if it was that or a team suspension for conduct detrimental to the team for saying Andy was fat and McNabb was soft, the usual stuff. I don't thinks he ever cameback to a team facility after the SB until he was in Dallas




I remember the suspension being during the season.
He played in the SB then started the next season I think.
I thought he was part of the team the first few games.

thorshammer
06-10-2009, 12:07 AM
we all want him signed .... he's a key ingredient to our "SB" potential team .... i don't think there's anyway we (the FO) let Winnie get away .... specially if we sign you know who .... i think he will be signed soon we can ill afford to let him go if we want to go to the promised land.

vikinggreg
06-10-2009, 12:12 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.


So if the Vikes had signed TJ Howsyourmamma would that have cost them Whinny?

Marrdro
06-10-2009, 04:56 AM
"vikinggreg" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.


So if the Vikes had signed TJ Howsyourmamma would that have cost them Whinny?

Could have, my guess, thats why they didn't sign him.
Something closer to the truth though, might be that they didn't pursue TJH as hard as we liked (notice I said WE) cause they had LNAD in thier sights and knew in fact they couldn't sign him, TJH, and our other guys that have contracts coming due.

singersp
06-10-2009, 05:15 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.


So if the Vikes had signed TJ Howsyourmamma would that have cost them Whinny?

Could have, my guess, thats why they didn't sign him.
Something closer to the truth though, might be that they didn't pursue TJH as hard as we liked (notice I said WE) cause they had LNAD in thier sights and knew in fact they couldn't sign him, TJH, and our other guys that have contracts coming due.


Might be why they didn't resign Birk also.

vikinggreg
06-10-2009, 10:54 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.


So if the Vikes had signed TJ Howsyourmamma would that have cost them Whinny?

Could have, my guess, thats why they didn't sign him.
Something closer to the truth though, might be that they didn't pursue TJH as hard as we liked (notice I said WE) cause they had LNAD in thier sights and knew in fact they couldn't sign him, TJH, and our other guys that have contracts coming due.


Might be why they didn't resign Birk also.


But the Vikes did make both players offers that were close, but less than the ones the players signed. The Vikes also talked to the Broncos with Greenway as part of a deal for Cutler and traded for Sage and resigned him to a contract with 2 more years tacked on....have you two been fishing Ed Werner lately?

NuJerseyDevil93
06-11-2009, 01:11 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.

Sorry but whats "LNAD"? I haven't been on these forums in awhile.

Mr Anderson
06-11-2009, 01:22 AM
"NuJerseyDevil93" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.

Sorry but whats "LNAD"? I haven't been on these forums in awhile.

Favre is LNAD, but I have not deciphered the acronym yet.

singersp
06-11-2009, 05:12 AM
"Mr" wrote:


"NuJerseyDevil93" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.

Sorry but whats "LNAD"? I haven't been on these forums in awhile.

Favre is LNAD, but I have not deciphered the acronym yet.


Lord "Noodle Arm" Dickhead

Marrdro
06-12-2009, 06:38 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Im comfortable with the situation

I'm not and that means the other guys that are due along with Whinny.

With half of what we have free right now probably going to LNAD, my guess is ole Bryzcheapski is looking to cut some corners.

Makes me wonder who won't be on this team next year, especially if LNAD is signed to at least a 2 year conrtract.


So if the Vikes had signed TJ Howsyourmamma would that have cost them Whinny?

Could have, my guess, thats why they didn't sign him.
Something closer to the truth though, might be that they didn't pursue TJH as hard as we liked (notice I said WE) cause they had LNAD in thier sights and knew in fact they couldn't sign him, TJH, and our other guys that have contracts coming due.


Might be why they didn't resign Birk also.

They didn't resign Matt cause he didn't fit the scheme.

NordicNed
06-12-2009, 09:20 PM
NA NA NA NA NA,,,Brett is on the wayyyyyyyyyyyy y.....YEA !

All you doubters....Su ck ASS...LMFBO

Marrdro
06-13-2009, 06:55 AM
"NordicNed" wrote:


NA NA NA NA NA,,,Brett is on the wayyyyyyyyyyyy y.....YEA !

All you doubters....Su ck jiggly butt...LMFBO

What, were you scared we wouldn't see this in the other thread?

Look what this guy has turned you into my friend.
First a enemy lover, now a broken record.
All so very sad, so very sad indeed.
:'(
:'(
:'(
:'(

Marrdro
06-14-2009, 07:21 AM
Winfield negotiations remain publicly civil

While it’s clear Childress knows exactly where things stand in this situation, he hasn’t been and won’t be involved in the actual talks.

“It’s a free flow of information (internally),” Childress said. “Personnel, the team, coaching, salary cap, owners and it goes all different directions. Around the circle, back and forth, we are completely transparent. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing so that’s not my expertise, negotiating. I have to go out of my way to tell the players, ‘Far be it from me, I’m never going to sit and talk about dollars and cents.’ Typically it’s a degrading deal when a coach is talking about putting a dollar figure on you.”

http://min.scout.com/2/871981.html

Marrdro's comments follow:
AHEM,......I said AHEM

Xplain that one away you wild and crazy guys...... ;D

Here is a another nice little tidbit to chew on..........


There is some thought that the Vikings could be waiting to see what it would take to sign Brett Favre before they get too deep into dollars – at least on this year’s cap – with a potential Winfield extension.

AHEM,......I said AHEM

jessejames09
06-14-2009, 09:47 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


NA NA NA NA NA,,,Brett is on the wayyyyyyyyyyyy y.....YEA !

All you doubters....Su ck jiggly butt...LMFBO

What, were you scared we wouldn't see this in the other thread?

Look what this guy has turned you into my friend.
First a enemy lover, now a broken record.
All so very sad, so very sad indeed.

:'(
:'(
:'(
:'(


An enemy lover? Favre was a jet last year. You on the other hand are soon to be the an enemy. I hope Chad OchoCinco treats you right.

marstc09
06-14-2009, 09:49 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


NA NA NA NA NA,,,Brett is on the wayyyyyyyyyyyy y.....YEA !

All you doubters....Su ck jiggly butt...LMFBO

What, were you scared we wouldn't see this in the other thread?

Look what this guy has turned you into my friend.
First a enemy lover, now a broken record.
All so very sad, so very sad indeed.

:'(
:'(
:'(
:'(


Sad?! I call it exciting. Favre is not the enemy! The Packers are. Brett is not a Packer. LMFAO!
::)

marstc09
06-14-2009, 09:52 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Winfield negotiations remain publicly civil

While it’s clear Childress knows exactly where things stand in this situation, he hasn’t been and won’t be involved in the actual talks.

“It’s a free flow of information (internally),” Childress said. “Personnel, the team, coaching, salary cap, owners and it goes all different directions. Around the circle, back and forth, we are completely transparent. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing so that’s not my expertise, negotiating. I have to go out of my way to tell the players, ‘Far be it from me, I’m never going to sit and talk about dollars and cents.’ Typically it’s a degrading deal when a coach is talking about putting a dollar figure on you.”

http://min.scout.com/2/871981.html

Marrdro's comments follow:
AHEM,......I said AHEM

Xplain that one away you wild and crazy guys...... ;D

Here is a another nice little tidbit to chew on..........


There is some thought that the Vikings could be waiting to see what it would take to sign Brett Favre before they get too deep into dollars – at least on this year’s cap – with a potential Winfield extension.

AHEM,......I said AHEM



Oh boy, you truly are a flip flopper. So which is it Marr, do you believe the media or don't you? I cant figure it out. Also, what exactly are you getting at with the Childress comment.

marstc09
06-14-2009, 09:53 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


NA NA NA NA NA,,,Brett is on the wayyyyyyyyyyyy y.....YEA !

All you doubters....Su ck jiggly butt...LMFBO

What, were you scared we wouldn't see this in the other thread?

Look what this guy has turned you into my friend.
First a enemy lover, now a broken record.
All so very sad, so very sad indeed.

:'(
:'(
:'(
:'(


An enemy lover? Favre was a jet last year. You on the other hand are soon to be the an enemy. I hope Chad OchoCinco treats you right.


Brett and the Vikings are going to destroy the Bungals. That one is so circled on my calendar.

V4L
06-14-2009, 12:50 PM
+1

mountainviking
06-14-2009, 01:19 PM
There is some thought that the Vikings could be waiting to see what it would take to sign Brett Favre before they get too deep into dollars – at least on this year’s cap – with a potential Winfield extension.

Makes sense to me.
If we don't blow a wad on the worshipped one, we can write most of Winny's contract off this year...IF we do sign the 10 million dollar INT machine, we'll have to spread the money out more.

V4L
06-14-2009, 02:15 PM
If he gets 10 mill here I will be VERY surprised

Purple Floyd
06-14-2009, 03:00 PM
IMO this is the second year he has decided to either hold out or make waves in the offseason and like Birk, they will find a young guy to replace him next year.

Tad7
06-14-2009, 03:06 PM
I'm not overly concerned with re-signing Winfield. He'll be 33 heading into next season and if we're not the ones to give him his last big payday, I'll be fine with that.

It'd be nice if we could get him on a contract like Brian Dawkins though


Dawkins was signed by the Denver Broncos on February 28, 2009. The contract is worth 5 years and $17 million with $7.2 million guaranteed. There is a termination clause after 2 years that says that if he is released after two seasons, he will receive an additional $1.8 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Dawkins

V4L
06-14-2009, 05:24 PM
I think Whinny won't take nearly that cheap

It would be nice but he is coming off arguably his best season and has been a fixture in this D for a long time

If we dont give him a big pay day.. Ill be ok with him walking too.. Be sad but he deserves great money

Marrdro
06-15-2009, 02:18 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Winfield negotiations remain publicly civil

While it’s clear Childress knows exactly where things stand in this situation, he hasn’t been and won’t be involved in the actual talks.

“It’s a free flow of information (internally),” Childress said. “Personnel, the team, coaching, salary cap, owners and it goes all different directions. Around the circle, back and forth, we are completely transparent. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing so that’s not my expertise, negotiating. I have to go out of my way to tell the players, ‘Far be it from me, I’m never going to sit and talk about dollars and cents.’ Typically it’s a degrading deal when a coach is talking about putting a dollar figure on you.”

http://min.scout.com/2/871981.html

Marrdro's comments follow:
AHEM,......I said AHEM

Xplain that one away you wild and crazy guys...... ;D

Here is a another nice little tidbit to chew on..........


There is some thought that the Vikings could be waiting to see what it would take to sign Brett Favre before they get too deep into dollars – at least on this year’s cap – with a potential Winfield extension.

AHEM,......I said AHEM



Oh boy, you truly are a flip flopper. So which is it Marr, do you believe the media or don't you? I cant figure it out. Also, what exactly are you getting at with the Childress comment.

Thats your response?
I'm a flip flopper.

I don't believe the media but I do read thier stuff.
When in fact the Quote someone I tend to believe it.
When they add speculation to what someone says, I take that with a grain of salt.

marstc09
06-15-2009, 02:20 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Winfield negotiations remain publicly civil

While it’s clear Childress knows exactly where things stand in this situation, he hasn’t been and won’t be involved in the actual talks.

“It’s a free flow of information (internally),” Childress said. “Personnel, the team, coaching, salary cap, owners and it goes all different directions. Around the circle, back and forth, we are completely transparent. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing so that’s not my expertise, negotiating. I have to go out of my way to tell the players, ‘Far be it from me, I’m never going to sit and talk about dollars and cents.’ Typically it’s a degrading deal when a coach is talking about putting a dollar figure on you.”

http://min.scout.com/2/871981.html

Marrdro's comments follow:
AHEM,......I said AHEM

Xplain that one away you wild and crazy guys...... ;D

Here is a another nice little tidbit to chew on..........


There is some thought that the Vikings could be waiting to see what it would take to sign Brett Favre before they get too deep into dollars – at least on this year’s cap – with a potential Winfield extension.

AHEM,......I said AHEM



Oh boy, you truly are a flip flopper. So which is it Marr, do you believe the media or don't you? I cant figure it out. Also, what exactly are you getting at with the Childress comment.

Thats your response?
I'm a flip flopper.

I don't believe the media but I do read thier stuff.

When in fact the Quote someone I tend to believe it.
When they add speculation to what someone says, I take that with a grain of salt.


Yes that is my response.

Marrdro
06-15-2009, 02:21 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Winfield negotiations remain publicly civil

While it’s clear Childress knows exactly where things stand in this situation, he hasn’t been and won’t be involved in the actual talks.

“It’s a free flow of information (internally),” Childress said. “Personnel, the team, coaching, salary cap, owners and it goes all different directions. Around the circle, back and forth, we are completely transparent. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing so that’s not my expertise, negotiating. I have to go out of my way to tell the players, ‘Far be it from me, I’m never going to sit and talk about dollars and cents.’ Typically it’s a degrading deal when a coach is talking about putting a dollar figure on you.”

http://min.scout.com/2/871981.html

Marrdro's comments follow:
AHEM,......I said AHEM

Xplain that one away you wild and crazy guys...... ;D

Here is a another nice little tidbit to chew on..........


There is some thought that the Vikings could be waiting to see what it would take to sign Brett Favre before they get too deep into dollars – at least on this year’s cap – with a potential Winfield extension.

AHEM,......I said AHEM



Oh boy, you truly are a flip flopper. So which is it Marr, do you believe the media or don't you? I cant figure it out. Also, what exactly are you getting at with the Childress comment.

Thats your response?
I'm a flip flopper.

I don't believe the media but I do read thier stuff.

When in fact the Quote someone I tend to believe it.
When they add speculation to what someone says, I take that with a grain of salt.


Yes that is my response.

You crack me up.
;D

Marrdro
06-15-2009, 02:23 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


NA NA NA NA NA,,,Brett is on the wayyyyyyyyyyyy y.....YEA !

All you doubters....Su ck jiggly butt...LMFBO

What, were you scared we wouldn't see this in the other thread?

Look what this guy has turned you into My Sexy Little Pixie.
First a enemy lover, now a broken record.
All so very sad, so very sad indeed.

:'(
:'(
:'(
:'(


An enemy lover? Favre was a jet last year. You on the other hand are soon to be the an enemy. I hope Chad OchoCinco treats you right.


Brett and the Vikings are going to destroy the Bungals. That one is so circled on my calendar.

Probably gonna happen.
I sure don't expect much from the land of stripes, however, I sure hope to all the is holy the Vikes don't looooooossseeeeee.

I might just show up to stir the pot a bit. ;) ;) (Double dip wink) ;D

Marrdro
06-18-2009, 08:40 AM
Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)

i_bleed_purple
06-18-2009, 08:47 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?
I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.

Marrdro
06-18-2009, 08:50 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.

Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?
::)

i_bleed_purple
06-18-2009, 09:10 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.

Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.

Zeus
06-18-2009, 09:13 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.


Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.



Last night, Spielman made it clear that acquiring players from cut lists is a duty which falls to him and his staff, not Childress.
Childress and the coaches are too busy dealing with their own team to know anything about the 70th, 71st, 72nd, etc. player on another teams pre-season roster.

Spielman said they have already begun putting together lists of 15 players for every team that they will keep an eye on during the cut season, because when those guys are cut, you have to be ready to make a move within a span of hours or you can lose them to someone else.

=Z=

Marrdro
06-18-2009, 09:55 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.

Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.


Let me get this straight, are you now trying to tell me that the Scouts (who work for Spielman) don't actually scout for players that fit the scheme and that the Chiller and his coaches do it?

If thats the case, who the hell is coaching the team when all the coaches are busy visiting players and watching tape?
::)

Marrdro
06-18-2009, 09:55 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.


Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.



Last night, Spielman made it clear that acquiring players from cut lists is a duty which falls to him and his staff, not Childress.
Childress and the coaches are too busy dealing with their own team to know anything about the 70th, 71st, 72nd, etc. player on another teams pre-season roster.

Spielman said they have already begun putting together lists of 15 players for every team that they will keep an eye on during the cut season, because when those guys are cut, you have to be ready to make a move within a span of hours or you can lose them to someone else.

=Z=

Bingo.........Someone has a clue.
;D

V4L
06-18-2009, 05:04 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.

Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.


Let me get this straight, are you now trying to tell me that the Scouts (who work for Spielman) don't actually scout for players that fit the scheme and that the Chiller and his coaches do it?

If thats the case, who the hell is coaching the team when all the coaches are busy visiting players and watching tape?
::)




You are thinking WAY too deep into it man

It's pretty obvious everyone has a role

He wasn't saying Chilly does everything.. he was saying Chilly helps find the players he wants.. And he does in fact do SOME scouting.. Not the inside dirty work and all that though

Bkfldviking
06-18-2009, 05:19 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.

Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.


Let me get this straight, are you now trying to tell me that the Scouts (who work for Spielman) don't actually scout for players that fit the scheme and that the Chiller and his coaches do it?

If thats the case, who the hell is coaching the team when all the coaches are busy visiting players and watching tape?
::)




You are thinking WAY too deep into it man

It's pretty obvious everyone has a role

He wasn't saying Chilly does everything.. he was saying Chilly helps find the players he wants.. And he does in fact do SOME scouting.. Not the inside dirty work and all that though




Only when incognito.
Fake hair, beard and shades.....I wonder, does he carry a pipe for undercover work? ;D

V4L
06-18-2009, 05:20 PM
"Bkfldviking" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:






Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.

Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.


Let me get this straight, are you now trying to tell me that the Scouts (who work for Spielman) don't actually scout for players that fit the scheme and that the Chiller and his coaches do it?

If thats the case, who the hell is coaching the team when all the coaches are busy visiting players and watching tape?
::)




You are thinking WAY too deep into it man

It's pretty obvious everyone has a role

He wasn't saying Chilly does everything.. he was saying Chilly helps find the players he wants.. And he does in fact do SOME scouting.. Not the inside dirty work and all that though




Only when incognito.
Fake hair, beard and shades.....I wonder, does he carry a pipe for undercover work? ;D



Hahaaa

Purple Floyd
06-18-2009, 07:09 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?
I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.


Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?
::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.



Last night, Spielman made it clear that acquiring players from cut lists is a duty which falls to him and his staff, not Childress.
Childress and the coaches are too busy dealing with their own team to know anything about the 70th, 71st, 72nd, etc. player on another teams pre-season roster.

Spielman said they have already begun putting together lists of 15 players for every team that they will keep an eye on during the cut season, because when those guys are cut, you have to be ready to make a move within a span of hours or you can lose them to someone else.

=Z=


That makes sense.

OTOH if Childress has a specific player that he wants he will have the ability to bring that player in.

Marrdro
06-19-2009, 08:00 AM
"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.

Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.


Let me get this straight, are you now trying to tell me that the Scouts (who work for Spielman) don't actually scout for players that fit the scheme and that the Chiller and his coaches do it?

If thats the case, who the hell is coaching the team when all the coaches are busy visiting players and watching tape?
::)




You are thinking WAY too deep into it man

It's pretty obvious everyone has a role

He wasn't saying Chilly does everything.. he was saying Chilly helps find the players he wants.. And he does in fact do SOME scouting.. Not the inside dirty work and all that though



He didn't say Chilly HELPS my friend.


Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.

Which caused me to ask what role the Scouts have.
::)

Marrdro
06-19-2009, 08:06 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?

I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.


Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?

::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.



Last night, Spielman made it clear that acquiring players from cut lists is a duty which falls to him and his staff, not Childress.
Childress and the coaches are too busy dealing with their own team to know anything about the 70th, 71st, 72nd, etc. player on another teams pre-season roster.

Spielman said they have already begun putting together lists of 15 players for every team that they will keep an eye on during the cut season, because when those guys are cut, you have to be ready to make a move within a span of hours or you can lose them to someone else.

=Z=


That makes sense.

OTOH if Childress has a specific player that he wants he will have the ability to bring that player in.

But what has yet to be agreed upon is how he gets to the point were he wants a player so that the FO pukes can try to sign him?

Does the Chiller watch tape all year long?
Does the Chiller go on road trips to watch a player play?

Look, at the end of the season the Coaching Staff gives Spielman and crew a "State of the Team" brief.
In it they articulate were they stand with each and every player and how it impacts the 53 man roster.

They express thier need/desire for upgrades at those positions or say they are good, resign the guy if you can.

The onus is then on the FO pukes, namely Ricky boy, Paton/Studwell (and scouts) to go out and try to find the right fit.
The coaches then review the candidates (Might have 5 fits for one position), prioritize them and give the FO pukes the go ahead to try and land a guy out of that group whether that be via FA or via the draft.

Like it or not, thats the process.

To sit here and think the Vikes went into (say) the 2006 draft and targeted only TJ as the future QB for this team is simply ludicrous.

Purple Floyd
06-19-2009, 03:11 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:






Spielman discusses Winfield negotiations

I know Coach Childress identifies the guys who are core guys and we’ll try to keep them all together as long as we can. We’ve been able to do that and hopefully we’ll have the same success with Antoine.”



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2980

Marrdro's comments follow:

And yet, some more evidence of who does what on this staff.
As with the link I provided Saturday, I bet no one comments on it as well.

::)


So Chilly picks who he wants and doesn't want, then Rob and Rick do the dirty work because Chilly doesn't know how to?
I'm pretty sure most of us had that assumption the whole time.


Chilly doesn't know how to?
If thats your assumption maybe you been wrong the whole time.....How about ....... its not his fricken job?
::)


I mean more along the lines of not really being qualified to work out contracts, etc.
Its fairly obvious that he does in fact find players HE wants, based on the fact he said it himself.



Last night, Spielman made it clear that acquiring players from cut lists is a duty which falls to him and his staff, not Childress.
Childress and the coaches are too busy dealing with their own team to know anything about the 70th, 71st, 72nd, etc. player on another teams pre-season roster.

Spielman said they have already begun putting together lists of 15 players for every team that they will keep an eye on during the cut season, because when those guys are cut, you have to be ready to make a move within a span of hours or you can lose them to someone else.

=Z=


That makes sense.

OTOH if Childress has a specific player that he wants he will have the ability to bring that player in.

But what has yet to be agreed upon is how he gets to the point were he wants a player so that the FO pukes can try to sign him?

Does the Chiller watch tape all year long?
Does the Chiller go on road trips to watch a player play?

Look, at the end of the season the Coaching Staff gives Spielman and crew a "State of the Team" brief.
In it they articulate were they stand with each and every player and how it impacts the 53 man roster.

They express thier need/desire for upgrades at those positions or say they are good, resign the guy if you can.

The onus is then on the FO pukes, namely Ricky boy, Paton/Studwell (and scouts) to go out and try to find the right fit.
The coaches then review the candidates (Might have 5 fits for one position), prioritize them and give the FO pukes the go ahead to try and land a guy out of that group whether that be via FA or via the draft.

Like it or not, thats the process.

To sit here and think the Vikes went into (say) the 2006 draft and targeted only TJ as the future QB for this team is simply ludicrous.


No man can do it all by himself. Lucky for him the Keebler elves are huge Vikings fans and they help him out in their spare time.

singersp
07-06-2009, 07:07 AM
Antoine Winfield frustrated by Minnesota Vikings' mixed signals (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12759348)

Viking frustrated by mixed signals

By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 07/05/2009 11:28:37 PM CDT


Pro Bowl cornerback Antoine Winfield, known for his knack of anticipating the moves of opposing receivers, didn't envision his current situation.....

i_bleed_purple
07-06-2009, 08:08 AM
"He [childress] wanted things to get done," Winfield recalled. "He told me, 'You're one of my guys.' He said he doesn't do numbers, but he was going to fight for me."

more insight into what say a HC has in the whole personell decision.

Also, doesn't sound like Favre plays into this negotiation, contrary to popular belief.

BleedinPandG
07-06-2009, 08:16 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:



"He [childress] wanted things to get done," Winfield recalled. "He told me, 'You're one of my guys.' He said he doesn't do numbers, but he was going to fight for me."

more insight into what say a HC has in the whole personell decision.

Also, doesn't sound like Favre plays into this negotiation, contrary to popular belief.


A little off topic... but I like this... moves like this are what get a HC respect from his veteran players (assuming Chilly comes through).
I remember when Chilly first started all the people dogging him and saying players didn't want to play for him... Winfield doesn't sound like one of those guys.

i_bleed_purple
07-06-2009, 08:33 AM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:



"He [childress] wanted things to get done," Winfield recalled. "He told me, 'You're one of my guys.' He said he doesn't do numbers, but he was going to fight for me."

more insight into what say a HC has in the whole personell decision.

Also, doesn't sound like Favre plays into this negotiation, contrary to popular belief.


A little off topic... but I like this... moves like this are what get a HC respect from his veteran players (assuming Chilly comes through).
I remember when Chilly first started all the people dogging him and saying players didn't want to play for him... Winfield doesn't sound like one of those guys.

Wasn't winfield originally one of those players?

I seem to remember him calling out the offense, and the coach.

singersp
07-06-2009, 08:39 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:



"He [childress] wanted things to get done," Winfield recalled. "He told me, 'You're one of my guys.' He said he doesn't do numbers, but he was going to fight for me."

more insight into what say a HC has in the whole personell decision.

Also, doesn't sound like Favre plays into this negotiation, contrary to popular belief.


And you determined that how?

Without having everyone signed, including what huge portion of the cap that Favre will suck up, there is no way in any of us knowing how much ching they have left to sign Winfield.

i_bleed_purple
07-06-2009, 08:45 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:



"He [childress] wanted things to get done," Winfield recalled. "He told me, 'You're one of my guys.' He said he doesn't do numbers, but he was going to fight for me."

more insight into what say a HC has in the whole personell decision.

Also, doesn't sound like Favre plays into this negotiation, contrary to popular belief.


And you determined that how?

Without having everyone signed, including what huge portion of the cap that Favre will suck up, there is no way in any of knowing how much ching they have left to sign Winfield.


It jsut seems to me that they have other priorities than hammering out a contract with a player who's contract ends next year.
They have all season to get it done, and I'm sure, if they wanted to, they could easilly do both.
Frontload Favre's contract, have Winfield get his bonus next season, etc.
There's many ways to work around it.
I just get the impression that they want to get a final roster set, evaluate where everyone stands then start hammering out contracts.
Seems over the past few seasons, players have been getting extensions mid-season, I don't see why this can't be the case here.
Only thing that will cause a problem is what Winfield will do if he goes into the season without an extension.

Caine
07-06-2009, 08:59 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:



"He [childress] wanted things to get done," Winfield recalled. "He told me, 'You're one of my guys.' He said he doesn't do numbers, but he was going to fight for me."

more insight into what say a HC has in the whole personell decision.

Also, doesn't sound like Favre plays into this negotiation, contrary to popular belief.


A little off topic... but I like this... moves like this are what get a HC respect from his veteran players (assuming Chilly comes through).
I remember when Chilly first started all the people dogging him and saying players didn't want to play for him... Winfield doesn't sound like one of those guys.

Wasn't winfield originally one of those players?

I seem to remember him calling out the offense, and the coach.

Yup.
He sure did.

That said, the FO better stop screwing around and get this guy signed.


Caine

marstc09
07-06-2009, 10:15 AM
IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/

jessejames09
07-06-2009, 10:23 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/


As usual, Florio lays the situation out nicely, no one is in the wrong, but the organization has all the leverage. To tell you the truth I think AW will buckle down and work hard come training camp.

ejmat
07-06-2009, 10:38 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/


Without even reading the article, I agree.
This is the 2nd time in 3 years he is making noise.
He had one breakout year in the NFL.
He has been decent but before last year he gave up way too many pass completions.
Hence one reason why he has so many tackles.
I like WInfield but I have never thought he was one of the best.
All those other players getting decent contracts are all younger too.
Why would MN break the bank for him?
I know he is a good player that brings a lot of experience as far as the other side of this but let's be realistic about what he is worth.
They can sign a FA such as McCallister and be just as good.

mountainviking
07-07-2009, 12:26 PM
IF healthy, and that is a question, McAllister would be better in coverage, but I'm unconvinced he'd do as well in our zone and vs. the run.
The reason our run D still topped the NFL, even without Pat for 3 games, is that our LBs and secondary all stuff the run too.
Winfield is probably one of, if not the best, open field tackler in the game.
It is rare that anything gets by him.
Of course, we have also seen him out leaped by bigger WRs for first downs for years.

I think we want Winny to stick around.
But, as mentioned, we need to take care of rookie contracts and signing the BF before we'll know just how much room we have left to work with.
IF AW comes out playing like he did last year, he'll definitely get his contract by mid season.
Just have a bit of patience my man!
Off the top of my head, I'm thinking roughly 27 mill over 3 years...say, 12 guaranteed between signing bonus and first year's salary, then 7.5/year for the remaining 2 years...?
I guess I don't think he deserves quite what Asomugha got in OAK, but maybe kind of close.
He's too old for top price CB rate.

V-Unit
07-07-2009, 01:00 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/


Without even reading the article, I agree.
This is the 2nd time in 3 years he is making noise.
He had one breakout year in the NFL.
He has been decent but before last year he gave up way too many pass completions.
Hence one reason why he has so many tackles.
I like WInfield but I have never thought he was one of the best.
All those other players getting decent contracts are all younger too.
Why would MN break the bank for him?
I know he is a good player that brings a lot of experience as far as the other side of this but let's be realistic about what he is worth.
They can sign a FA such as McCallister and be just as good.


I think you need to read the article, especially the one written by Sean Jensen in the pioneer press. Winny's complaints are not about contract amount, or length.

When you look at what happened with Birk and Sharper, I think he has a legit argument.

For some reason this staff is willing to pay the bucks to bring new guys in, but now willing to sign core vets to new, bigger contracts. Anyone worth keeping is going to cost big bucks, and Winny is without a doubt worth keeping.

VKG4LFE
07-07-2009, 01:04 PM
We NEED to resign AW! There's nothing else to it. SIGN THE GUY!!

mountainviking
07-07-2009, 02:02 PM
"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/


Without even reading the article, I agree.
This is the 2nd time in 3 years he is making noise.
He had one breakout year in the NFL.
He has been decent but before last year he gave up way too many pass completions.
Hence one reason why he has so many tackles.
I like WInfield but I have never thought he was one of the best.
All those other players getting decent contracts are all younger too.
Why would MN break the bank for him?
I know he is a good player that brings a lot of experience as far as the other side of this but let's be realistic about what he is worth.
They can sign a FA such as McCallister and be just as good.


I think you need to read the article, especially the one written by Sean Jensen in the pioneer press. Winny's complaints are not about contract amount, or length.

When you look at what happened with Birk and Sharper, I think he has a legit argument.

For some reason this staff is willing to pay the bucks to bring new guys in, but now willing to sign core vets to new, bigger contracts. Anyone worth keeping is going to cost big bucks, and Winny is without a doubt worth keeping.

I think there's more to it than that.
For one, we've got a bunch of "potential" at CB at the moment.
We have Winny for 1 more year already.
Might be nice to see who steps up before dealing out a big contract.


And, really, EJ Henderson, Pat Williams, Cedric Griffin, Herrera, Kluwe...several guys have gotton new contracts during the season.
I think there's a good chance it happens later, yet long before his current one expires.

PurpleTide
07-07-2009, 02:28 PM
I think they need to sign the rookie's, and Farve before they re-sign AW. Probably a 4 yr deal with a nice signing bonus.

BleedinPandG
07-07-2009, 03:00 PM
"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/


Without even reading the article, I agree.
This is the 2nd time in 3 years he is making noise.
He had one breakout year in the NFL.
He has been decent but before last year he gave up way too many pass completions.
Hence one reason why he has so many tackles.
I like WInfield but I have never thought he was one of the best.
All those other players getting decent contracts are all younger too.
Why would MN break the bank for him?
I know he is a good player that brings a lot of experience as far as the other side of this but let's be realistic about what he is worth.
They can sign a FA such as McCallister and be just as good.


I think you need to read the article, especially the one written by Sean Jensen in the pioneer press. Winny's complaints are not about contract amount, or length.

When you look at what happened with Birk and Sharper, I think he has a legit argument.

For some reason this staff is willing to pay the bucks to bring new guys in, but now willing to sign core vets to new, bigger contracts. Anyone worth keeping is going to cost big bucks, and Winny is without a doubt worth keeping.


I think you also need to consider what Marrdro always says... just because fans believe a guy is "core" doesn't mean the team really needs him.
Lets face it, some players believe they are worth more then they are.
Other times, a player is worth more to another team then to the Vikings.
You can't put the best player at every position, no one team can afford that, you have to put the best combination of value on the field you can.


Maybe Winfield is better then Gordon or whomever else we'd replace him with, but at what cost?
Is he $2M a year better?
Well if we're happy at every other position and don't need a $2M upgrade, maybe, but what if we do need an upgrade?
Is the $2M better spent on the incremental increase in performance of Winfield over Gordon, or maybe it's better spent on a difference incremental improvement.

Sharper and Birk were both replaceable and I believe we'll see little if any impact in performance in that.
Winfield is a veteran on the team and a leader, but he is by no means a shut down corner that can't be replaced.
Big, physical, fast tackling corners are a dime a dozen coming out of college.
I don't believe he'd be hard to replace on the field.
He can acknowledge that and sign a contract that's in line with that realization or he can test free agency and maybe a team like the Saints (with Sharper) or Ravens (with Birk) will believe he's their savior, can't live with out type player and give him the pay day his ego says he deserves.

ejmat
07-07-2009, 03:01 PM
"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/


Without even reading the article, I agree.
This is the 2nd time in 3 years he is making noise.
He had one breakout year in the NFL.
He has been decent but before last year he gave up way too many pass completions.
Hence one reason why he has so many tackles.
I like WInfield but I have never thought he was one of the best.
All those other players getting decent contracts are all younger too.
Why would MN break the bank for him?
I know he is a good player that brings a lot of experience as far as the other side of this but let's be realistic about what he is worth.
They can sign a FA such as McCallister and be just as good.


I think you need to read the article, especially the one written by Sean Jensen in the pioneer press. Winny's complaints are not about contract amount, or length.

When you look at what happened with Birk and Sharper, I think he has a legit argument.

For some reason this staff is willing to pay the bucks to bring new guys in, but now willing to sign core vets to new, bigger contracts. Anyone worth keeping is going to cost big bucks, and Winny is without a doubt worth keeping.


I think the Vikings did a pretty good job at retaining vets over the last couple of years.
Didn't they extend McKinnie, EJ and others?
We are looking at them letting two people go (both of whom are aging and have lost a step or two).

V-Unit
07-07-2009, 03:26 PM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/


Without even reading the article, I agree.
This is the 2nd time in 3 years he is making noise.
He had one breakout year in the NFL.
He has been decent but before last year he gave up way too many pass completions.
Hence one reason why he has so many tackles.
I like WInfield but I have never thought he was one of the best.
All those other players getting decent contracts are all younger too.
Why would MN break the bank for him?
I know he is a good player that brings a lot of experience as far as the other side of this but let's be realistic about what he is worth.
They can sign a FA such as McCallister and be just as good.


I think you need to read the article, especially the one written by Sean Jensen in the pioneer press. Winny's complaints are not about contract amount, or length.

When you look at what happened with Birk and Sharper, I think he has a legit argument.

For some reason this staff is willing to pay the bucks to bring new guys in, but now willing to sign core vets to new, bigger contracts. Anyone worth keeping is going to cost big bucks, and Winny is without a doubt worth keeping.


I think you also need to consider what Marrdro always says... just because fans believe a guy is "core" doesn't mean the team really needs him.
Lets face it, some players believe they are worth more then they are.
Other times, a player is worth more to another team then to the Vikings.
You can't put the best player at every position, no one team can afford that, you have to put the best combination of value on the field you can.


Maybe Winfield is better then Gordon or whomever else we'd replace him with, but at what cost?
Is he $2M a year better?
Well if we're happy at every other position and don't need a $2M upgrade, maybe, but what if we do need an upgrade?
Is the $2M better spent on the incremental increase in performance of Winfield over Gordon, or maybe it's better spent on a difference incremental improvement.

Sharper and Birk were both replaceable and I believe we'll see little if any impact in performance in that.
Winfield is a veteran on the team and a leader, but he is by no means a shut down corner that can't be replaced.
Big, physical, fast tackling corners are a dime a dozen coming out of college.
I don't believe he'd be hard to replace on the field.
He can acknowledge that and sign a contract that's in line with that realization or he can test free agency and maybe a team like the Saints (with Sharper) or Ravens (with Birk) will believe he's their savior, can't live with out type player and give him the pay day his ego says he deserves.


That is a fine argument, but those who take that POV need to realize that we may get worse when trading in known commodities for unknown potential. You have to factor in the risk as well.

Some think Johnson is worth the risk. I haven't seen pooh from him yet to convince me that he is. Same goes for Sullivan. Of course they might be worth it but I prefer to believe it when I SEE it. This is why I'm an advocate of giving young guys playing time and making sure they are legit before sending the old vet packing.

So sure Birk and Sharper were replaceable, but by total unknowns? I'm not sold. I just can't make that leap. Sorry.

Anyways, Winny's entire point was that the FO says all the right things to the media, but when it comes down to it, they are not willing to back their words with dollar signs. Whether he re-signs or not, he just wants to be shot straight. I can't hate on a man who wants to know the truth.

BleedinPandG
07-07-2009, 03:35 PM
"V" wrote:


That is a fine argument, but those who take that POV need to realize that we may get worse when trading in known commodities for unknown potential. You have to factor in the risk as well.

Some think Johnson is worse the risk. I haven't seen pooh from him yet to convince me that he is. Same goes for Sullivan. Of course they might be worth it but I prefer to believe it when they see it. So sure Birk and Sharper were replaceable, but by total unknowns? I'm not sold. I just can't make that leap. Sorry.

Anyways, Winny's entire point was that the FO says all the right things to the media, but when it comes down to it, they are not willing to back their words with dollar signs. Whether he re-signs or not, he just wants to be shot straight. I can't hate on a man who wants to know the truth.


Unknown to you is not unknown to the coaching staff... by your logic, any new player is unknown.
Just because TJ Housawhatshisname did well on the Bengals, it's unknown what he'll do in Seattle... Cutler was great in Denver, what's he going to do in Chicago?
These were known commodities on one team, in one location, under one coaching staff... you start to mess with any of those pieces and you may end up with an entirely different set of results.

The counter to this will be to never bring anyone new in.
The ultra conservative, known is better then unknown approach.
Unfortunately that also leaves little to no room for improvement.
To improve you have to take calculated risks.
Players on your team are lowest risk, players who play in a similar scheme are 2nd lowest, players with NFL experience are 3rd, and rookies are probably 4th.
But there is always risk.

Remember, our coaching staff and FO are paid for results, they are employed to put together a winning organization.
That doesn't mean their goal is to win the SB every year or even to maximize wins in any one year, they are being paid to construct a franchise, a dynasty that is capable of making a SB run every year.
To date they've had 3 successive seasons of improved performance which would indicate they are doing their job and moving in the direction they are supposed to.
Based on that knowledge and assumption of their job description, why wouldn't you trust them to make the decision on Birk being replaced by Sullivan and Sharper by Johnson?
You as a fan hope those are good decisions, the Vikings coaches and FO's jobs depend on it.
I trust them to be doing the right things to protect their jobs and I trust they've made the right decisions and will continue to do so.

ejmat
07-07-2009, 03:36 PM
"V" wrote:


"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


IMO Winfield is being greedy. I agree with this article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/06/antoine-winfield-is-getting-upset/


Without even reading the article, I agree.
This is the 2nd time in 3 years he is making noise.
He had one breakout year in the NFL.
He has been decent but before last year he gave up way too many pass completions.
Hence one reason why he has so many tackles.
I like WInfield but I have never thought he was one of the best.
All those other players getting decent contracts are all younger too.
Why would MN break the bank for him?
I know he is a good player that brings a lot of experience as far as the other side of this but let's be realistic about what he is worth.
They can sign a FA such as McCallister and be just as good.


I think you need to read the article, especially the one written by Sean Jensen in the pioneer press. Winny's complaints are not about contract amount, or length.

When you look at what happened with Birk and Sharper, I think he has a legit argument.

For some reason this staff is willing to pay the bucks to bring new guys in, but now willing to sign core vets to new, bigger contracts. Anyone worth keeping is going to cost big bucks, and Winny is without a doubt worth keeping.


I think you also need to consider what Marrdro always says... just because fans believe a guy is "core" doesn't mean the team really needs him.
Lets face it, some players believe they are worth more then they are.
Other times, a player is worth more to another team then to the Vikings.
You can't put the best player at every position, no one team can afford that, you have to put the best combination of value on the field you can.


Maybe Winfield is better then Gordon or whomever else we'd replace him with, but at what cost?
Is he $2M a year better?
Well if we're happy at every other position and don't need a $2M upgrade, maybe, but what if we do need an upgrade?
Is the $2M better spent on the incremental increase in performance of Winfield over Gordon, or maybe it's better spent on a difference incremental improvement.

Sharper and Birk were both replaceable and I believe we'll see little if any impact in performance in that.
Winfield is a veteran on the team and a leader, but he is by no means a shut down corner that can't be replaced.
Big, physical, fast tackling corners are a dime a dozen coming out of college.
I don't believe he'd be hard to replace on the field.
He can acknowledge that and sign a contract that's in line with that realization or he can test free agency and maybe a team like the Saints (with Sharper) or Ravens (with Birk) will believe he's their savior, can't live with out type player and give him the pay day his ego says he deserves.


That is a fine argument, but those who take that POV need to realize that we may get worse when trading in known commodities for unknown potential. You have to factor in the risk as well.

Some think Johnson is worth the risk. I haven't seen pooh from him yet to convince me that he is. Same goes for Sullivan. Of course they might be worth it but I prefer to believe it when I SEE it. This is why I'm an advocate of giving young guys playing time and making sure they are legit before sending the old vet packing.

So sure Birk and Sharper were replaceable, but by total unknowns? I'm not sold. I just can't make that leap. Sorry.

Anyways, Winny's entire point was that the FO says all the right things to the media, but when it comes down to it, they are not willing to back their words with dollar signs. Whether he re-signs or not, he just wants to be shot straight. I can't hate on a man who wants to know the truth.


I agree with the fact they need to be upfront with him.
I don't think we have the entire story though.
We don't know the asking price.
Evidently the agent say they aren't close.
Maybe the VIkings don't think he is worth what he is asking.
I also believe the Favre, rookies and possibly another FA may be weighing on why a deal isn't done yet.


Fact I am seeing with Winfield is his contract is up next year (not now).
Of course I and others would like to keep him because of your point.
He is a known and solid commodity.
But if he is saying the Vikings don't keep their "core players" I say that's hogwash.
They have signed core players to extensions over the past couple of years.
If you look at FAs they didn't bring much in this year at all.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why the deal isn't done yet.
But it now is an issue for me with him.
He wanted out of Buffalo.
Yes he was a FA and had his rights to do so but he made it pretty clear he wanted out.
Now for the 2nd time in 3 years he is stirring the pot.
Maybe he is justified.
I don't know.
But the fact is he should keep it within the organization and let them work it out.
No need to stir the pot and get the media involved.
The only reason why someone would do that in this situation is to get leverage for more money.

Marrdro
07-07-2009, 06:31 PM
Hmmmmmmm, still not done yet huh?


Player wants to stay.........
HC wants him to stay.......
DC wants him to stay.......

FO, well, being a bit hazy on this aren't they.

Some yutz pondered (a few pages ago) that maybe the impending check to be spent on a certain player might impact this signing.

By the way, how many pages/posts are in here about why the HC isn't getting this deal done?
Hell, he does everything right?
::)
::)
::)
;)

C Mac D
07-07-2009, 06:39 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Hmmmmmmm, still not done yet huh?


Player wants to stay.........
HC wants him to stay.......
DC wants him to stay.......

FO, well, being a bit hazy on this aren't they.

Some yutz pondered (a few pages ago) that maybe the impending check to be spent on a certain player might impact this signing.

By the way, how many pages/posts are in here about why the HC isn't getting this deal done?
Hell, he does everything right?

::)
::)
::)
;)



I've always stated that Childress does nothing... he sits home sucking a pacifier during games and crys until he gets his spaghetti-o's.

That is a robot on the sidelines during games.

Purple Floyd
07-07-2009, 06:43 PM
The amount of money the team has to spend is finite and they need to be prudent with the money they spend. he is getting up there in age and when his contract expires I believe he will be about the same age Sharper was after the last season and they felt he wasn't at the age where a long term deal was justified and I agree. As a CB it is going to be difficult to remain playing at a high level into the mid-30's, so IMO it is a prudent move for the team to see if he can play at the same level this year as he did last year before they decide to sign him. And if he is asking too much they can go into FA next year and sign a younger player to replace him if the draft choices don't work out. Personally I don't see him playing here past his contract due to his age. Then again, if he was a QB we would probably find room for him until he was 50.

Marrdro
07-07-2009, 06:49 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


The amount of money the team has to spend is finite and they need to be prudent with the money they spend. he is getting up there in age and when his contract expires I believe he will be about the same age Sharper was after the last season and they felt he wasn't at the age where a long term deal was justified and I agree. As a CB it is going to be difficult to remain playing at a high level into the mid-30's, so IMO it is a prudent move for the team to see if he can play at the same level this year as he did last year before they decide to sign him. And if he is asking too much they can go into FA next year and sign a younger player to replace him if the draft choices don't work out. Personally I don't see him playing here past his contract due to his age. Then again, if he was a QB we would probably find room for him until he was 50.

Some great stuff in there (as usual), however, what if he does play up to what he did last year?

Long story short, the staff should know what shape he is in both physically and talent wise.
Give him a 3 year contract commensurate to that level.

Will it cost, hell yes, but damn, unlike Sharp who has lost a step and Birk, who either didn't fit the scheme or lost as step or both, were a FO being smart.
Screwing with this cat is a FO being dumb.

V-Unit
07-07-2009, 07:18 PM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


Unknown to you is not unknown to the coaching staff... by your logic, any new player is unknown.
Just because TJ Housawhatshisname did well on the Bengals, it's unknown what he'll do in Seattle... Cutler was great in Denver, what's he going to do in Chicago?
These were known commodities on one team, in one location, under one coaching staff... you start to mess with any of those pieces and you may end up with an entirely different set of results.


That is why we should just keep Winny. We don't need to bring in some young gun DB. We don't even need a veteran FA CB who is new to the team. We just need to keep Winny.



The counter to this will be to never bring anyone new in.
The ultra conservative, known is better then unknown approach.
Unfortunately that also leaves little to no room for improvement.
To improve you have to take calculated risks.
Players on your team are lowest risk, players who play in a similar scheme are 2nd lowest, players with NFL experience are 3rd, and rookies are probably 4th.
But there is always risk.


WOAH WOAH WOAH! That is not my argument at all! I am all for bringing in young guys, I just think that they should prove they can start before thrusting them into the fire. You draft talent, groom it, and give them playing time while a backup plan still exists. Let's face it, it Tyrell sucks next year, we're screwed. If Sullivan sucks next year, we're screwed! Slow grooming is better and less risky. Needs some examples? Adrian Peterson. Cedric Griffin. We have probably already done this with Winfield, but giving Allen more time on the bench is not a negative.



Remember, our coaching staff and FO are paid for results, they are employed to put together a winning organization.
That doesn't mean their goal is to win the SB every year or even to maximize wins in any one year, they are being paid to construct a franchise, a dynasty that is capable of making a SB run every year.
To date they've had 3 successive seasons of improved performance which would indicate they are doing their job and moving in the direction they are supposed to.
Based on that knowledge and assumption of their job description, why wouldn't you trust them to make the decision on Birk being replaced by Sullivan and Sharper by Johnson?
You as a fan hope those are good decisions, the Vikings coaches and FO's jobs depend on it.
I trust them to be doing the right things to protect their jobs and I trust they've made the right decisions and will continue to do so.


I agree about the growth process of a team, but I think there is a time where you must switch out of "rebuilding" and switch into "win now", and I think we have reached that point. We are no longer rebuilding. We went 10-6 last year, hosted a playoff game, and lost it. If we seriously think of ourselves as contender, we need to act like it. Youth and inexperience are big negatives on contenders. We will need guys who have been to the playoffs before we succeed in the playoffs, and this is frequently seen on Super Bowl teams. TJ, AD, Rice, Edwards all underacheived against the Eagles, and I think it was mainly because it was thier first playoff game.

Sure, we can have these guys learn how to win in the playoffs on thier own. We would contend for several years, and hopefully win the big one down the road. However, I think it would be better to have veterans like Winfield lead the way.

Marrdro
07-07-2009, 07:21 PM
"V" wrote:


"BleedinPandG" wrote:


Unknown to you is not unknown to the coaching staff... by your logic, any new player is unknown.
Just because TJ Housawhatshisname did well on the Bengals, it's unknown what he'll do in Seattle... Cutler was great in Denver, what's he going to do in Chicago?
These were known commodities on one team, in one location, under one coaching staff... you start to mess with any of those pieces and you may end up with an entirely different set of results.


That is why we should just keep Winny. We don't need to bring in some young gun DB. We don't even need a veteran FA CB who is new to the team. We just need to keep Winny.



The counter to this will be to never bring anyone new in.
The ultra conservative, known is better then unknown approach.
Unfortunately that also leaves little to no room for improvement.
To improve you have to take calculated risks.
Players on your team are lowest risk, players who play in a similar scheme are 2nd lowest, players with NFL experience are 3rd, and rookies are probably 4th.
But there is always risk.


WOAH WOAH WOAH! That is not my argument at all! I am all for bringing in young guys, I just think that they should prove they can start before thrusting them into the fire. You draft talent, groom it, and give them playing time while a backup plan still exists. Let's face it, it Tyrell sucks next year, we're screwed. If Sullivan sucks next year, we're screwed! Slow grooming is better and less risky. Needs some examples? Adrian Peterson. Cedric Griffin. We have probably already done this with Winfield, but giving Allen more time on the bench is not a negative.



Remember, our coaching staff and FO are paid for results, they are employed to put together a winning organization.
That doesn't mean their goal is to win the SB every year or even to maximize wins in any one year, they are being paid to construct a franchise, a dynasty that is capable of making a SB run every year.
To date they've had 3 successive seasons of improved performance which would indicate they are doing their job and moving in the direction they are supposed to.
Based on that knowledge and assumption of their job description, why wouldn't you trust them to make the decision on Birk being replaced by Sullivan and Sharper by Johnson?
You as a fan hope those are good decisions, the Vikings coaches and FO's jobs depend on it.
I trust them to be doing the right things to protect their jobs and I trust they've made the right decisions and will continue to do so.


I agree about the growth process of a team, but I think there is a time where you must switch out of "rebuilding" and switch into "win now", and I think we have reached that point. We are no longer rebuilding. We went 10-6 last year, hosted a playoff game, and lost it. If we seriously think of ourselves as contender, we need to act like it. Youth and inexperience are big negatives on contenders. We will need guys who have been to the playoffs before we succeed in the playoffs, and this is frequently seen on Super Bowl teams. TJ, AD, Rice, Edwards all underacheived against the Eagles, and I think it was mainly because it was thier first playoff game.

Sure, we can have these guys learn how to win in the playoffs on thier own. We would contend for several years, and hopefully win the big one down the road. However, I think it would be better to have veterans like Winfield lead the way.

You both have your "A" game going today.
Great discussion guys. V, especially good stuff.....

We are a team that has a damn nice core group of players, some nice young talent that is developing, and the means to go ahead and maintain that type of talent on the team for years to come.


Shit can the old guys that can't play anymore, but damn we gotta keep the ones that still can if we are ever gonna get consistent.

V-Unit
07-07-2009, 07:22 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Hmmmmmmm, still not done yet huh?


Player wants to stay.........
HC wants him to stay.......
DC wants him to stay.......

FO, well, being a bit hazy on this aren't they.

Some yutz pondered (a few pages ago) that maybe the impending check to be spent on a certain player might impact this signing.

By the way, how many pages/posts are in here about why the HC isn't getting this deal done?
Hell, he does everything right?

::)
::)
::)
;)



The chief contract negotiator has told the media he wants Winny back. The VP of player personnel has said the same.

They are not being hazy. They are being two-faced. they realize Winny is worth keeping but are not willing to pay for it. Very similar to Birk.

We can bring in the young talented guys year after year, but they will only take us so far. Every championship team has some veteran leaders.

V-Unit
07-07-2009, 07:32 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


I agree with the fact they need to be upfront with him.
I don't think we have the entire story though.
We don't know the asking price.
Evidently the agent say they aren't close.
Maybe the VIkings don't think he is worth what he is asking.
I also believe the Favre, rookies and possibly another FA may be weighing on why a deal isn't done yet.


Fact I am seeing with Winfield is his contract is up next year (not now).
Of course I and others would like to keep him because of your point.
He is a known and solid commodity.
But if he is saying the Vikings don't keep their "core players" I say that's hogwash.
They have signed core players to extensions over the past couple of years.
If you look at FAs they didn't bring much in this year at all.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why the deal isn't done yet.
But it now is an issue for me with him.
He wanted out of Buffalo.
Yes he was a FA and had his rights to do so but he made it pretty clear he wanted out.
Now for the 2nd time in 3 years he is stirring the pot.
Maybe he is justified.
I don't know.
But the fact is he should keep it within the organization and let them work it out.
No need to stir the pot and get the media involved.
The only reason why someone would do that in this situation is to get leverage for more money.


I'm positive we don't have the entire story, but the quotes of the FO sound like the deal is close, when it's not. That's disappointing. This is the time when you pony up and drop a fat, front heavy contract on the guy you want. They are playing this like Birk and I hate it.

Which core players have we re-signed? McKinnie? Griffin? Hell, when was the last time we re-signed a starter over the age of 30?

This team has had huge overhaul in the Chilly era. I think we have what, 4 starters remaining from the Tice years? The core of this team has been thrown away and restructured, and I'm fine with that, because it was needed, but the line should be drawn somewhere. Birk and Sharper can still play, and even if you don't believe they could, Winny can. Who are you going to replace Winny with without your offense losing a beat? Either a stud rookie DB or a stud FA DB. Either way a lot of money is going to come out of your pockets, and the risk is greater. Just keep Winny.

In any event, the lack of re-signing starters is pretty apparent. MAybe it's the FA era in full swing, but its getting to me. If Chilly starts to show "his guys" like Leber and Hutch, the door before adequately replacing them, that is where I lose faith in the current FO.

Marrdro
07-07-2009, 07:42 PM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Hmmmmmmm, still not done yet huh?


Player wants to stay.........
HC wants him to stay.......
DC wants him to stay.......

FO, well, being a bit hazy on this aren't they.

Some yutz pondered (a few pages ago) that maybe the impending check to be spent on a certain player might impact this signing.

By the way, how many pages/posts are in here about why the HC isn't getting this deal done?
Hell, he does everything right?

::)
::)
::)
;)



The chief contract negotiator has told the media he wants Winny back. The VP of player personnel has said the same.

They are not being hazy. They are being two-faced. they realize Winny is worth keeping but are not willing to pay for it. Very similar to Birk.

We can bring in the young talented guys year after year, but they will only take us so far. Every championship team has some veteran leaders.

I can agree to 2 faced.
Kindof what I meant by saying "Hazy".

By the way, you'r posts are excellent today, well, until you had to mess it up with a comment like that about Matt..... ;)

ejmat
07-07-2009, 07:50 PM
"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


I agree with the fact they need to be upfront with him.
I don't think we have the entire story though.
We don't know the asking price.
Evidently the agent say they aren't close.
Maybe the VIkings don't think he is worth what he is asking.
I also believe the Favre, rookies and possibly another FA may be weighing on why a deal isn't done yet.


Fact I am seeing with Winfield is his contract is up next year (not now).
Of course I and others would like to keep him because of your point.
He is a known and solid commodity.
But if he is saying the Vikings don't keep their "core players" I say that's hogwash.
They have signed core players to extensions over the past couple of years.
If you look at FAs they didn't bring much in this year at all.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why the deal isn't done yet.
But it now is an issue for me with him.
He wanted out of Buffalo.
Yes he was a FA and had his rights to do so but he made it pretty clear he wanted out.
Now for the 2nd time in 3 years he is stirring the pot.
Maybe he is justified.
I don't know.
But the fact is he should keep it within the organization and let them work it out.
No need to stir the pot and get the media involved.
The only reason why someone would do that in this situation is to get leverage for more money.


I'm positive we don't have the entire story, but the quotes of the FO sound like the deal is close, when it's not. That's disappointing. This is the time when you pony up and drop a fat, front heavy contract on the guy you want. They are playing this like Birk and I hate it.

Which core players have we re-signed? McKinnie? Griffin? Hell, when was the last time we re-signed a starter over the age of 30?

This team has had huge overhaul in the Chilly era. I think we have what, 4 starters remaining from the Tice years? The core of this team has been thrown away and restructured, and I'm fine with that, because it was needed, but the line should be drawn somewhere. Birk and Sharper can still play, and even if you don't believe they could, Winny can. Who are you going to replace Winny with without your offense losing a beat? Either a stud rookie DB or a stud FA DB. Either way a lot of money is going to come out of your pockets, and the risk is greater. Just keep Winny.

In any event, the lack of re-signing starters is pretty apparent. MAybe it's the FA era in full swing, but its getting to me. If Chilly starts to show "his guys" like Leber and Hutch, the door before adequately replacing them, that is where I lose faith in the current FO.


I agree with you in that Winny is important but I just don't see where they lack in resigning people or starters.
They lost two players in which can be considered key guys.
Again they were both aged and losing steps.
Who else did they lose that has been a bad loss?
I don't see anyone making a name for themselves somewhere else.
I think they have done a good job at resigning poeple.
Maybe this year two left but it seemed to be their (the Vikings) option.
As far as signing anyone over 30 I don't see what difference it makes?
Who have they lost over 30 other than Sharper and Burk?

V-Unit
07-07-2009, 08:03 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


I agree with the fact they need to be upfront with him.
I don't think we have the entire story though.
We don't know the asking price.
Evidently the agent say they aren't close.
Maybe the VIkings don't think he is worth what he is asking.
I also believe the Favre, rookies and possibly another FA may be weighing on why a deal isn't done yet.


Fact I am seeing with Winfield is his contract is up next year (not now).
Of course I and others would like to keep him because of your point.
He is a known and solid commodity.
But if he is saying the Vikings don't keep their "core players" I say that's hogwash.
They have signed core players to extensions over the past couple of years.
If you look at FAs they didn't bring much in this year at all.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why the deal isn't done yet.
But it now is an issue for me with him.
He wanted out of Buffalo.
Yes he was a FA and had his rights to do so but he made it pretty clear he wanted out.
Now for the 2nd time in 3 years he is stirring the pot.
Maybe he is justified.
I don't know.
But the fact is he should keep it within the organization and let them work it out.
No need to stir the pot and get the media involved.
The only reason why someone would do that in this situation is to get leverage for more money.


I'm positive we don't have the entire story, but the quotes of the FO sound like the deal is close, when it's not. That's disappointing. This is the time when you pony up and drop a fat, front heavy contract on the guy you want. They are playing this like Birk and I hate it.

Which core players have we re-signed? McKinnie? Griffin? Hell, when was the last time we re-signed a starter over the age of 30?

This team has had huge overhaul in the Chilly era. I think we have what, 4 starters remaining from the Tice years? The core of this team has been thrown away and restructured, and I'm fine with that, because it was needed, but the line should be drawn somewhere. Birk and Sharper can still play, and even if you don't believe they could, Winny can. Who are you going to replace Winny with without your offense losing a beat? Either a stud rookie DB or a stud FA DB. Either way a lot of money is going to come out of your pockets, and the risk is greater. Just keep Winny.

In any event, the lack of re-signing starters is pretty apparent. MAybe it's the FA era in full swing, but its getting to me. If Chilly starts to show "his guys" like Leber and Hutch, the door before adequately replacing them, that is where I lose faith in the current FO.


I agree with you in that Winny is important but I just don't see where they lack in resigning people or starters.
They lost two players in which can be considered key guys.
Again they were both aged and losing steps.
Who else did they lose that has been a bad loss?
I don't see anyone making a name for themselves somewhere else.
I think they have done a good job at resigning poeple.
Maybe this year two left but it seemed to be their (the Vikings) option.
As far as signing anyone over 30 I don't see what difference it makes?
Who have they lost over 30 other than Sharper and Burk?


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.

Were these all bad moves? No not all, but I do get worried that the staff is too youth crazed, especially when talks about Winny-on-the-way-out are happening.

Again, these moves were a part of rebuilding, but I think if you don't consider to be rebuilding anymore, then that is synonomous with holding on to your known commodities.

Going forward, if the team has a better year than last, guys like Antoine, Chester, Artis, Ray, and Charles need to be kept in addition to Cedric.

ejmat
07-07-2009, 08:24 PM
"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


I agree with the fact they need to be upfront with him.
I don't think we have the entire story though.
We don't know the asking price.
Evidently the agent say they aren't close.
Maybe the VIkings don't think he is worth what he is asking.
I also believe the Favre, rookies and possibly another FA may be weighing on why a deal isn't done yet.


Fact I am seeing with Winfield is his contract is up next year (not now).
Of course I and others would like to keep him because of your point.
He is a known and solid commodity.
But if he is saying the Vikings don't keep their "core players" I say that's hogwash.
They have signed core players to extensions over the past couple of years.
If you look at FAs they didn't bring much in this year at all.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why the deal isn't done yet.
But it now is an issue for me with him.
He wanted out of Buffalo.
Yes he was a FA and had his rights to do so but he made it pretty clear he wanted out.
Now for the 2nd time in 3 years he is stirring the pot.
Maybe he is justified.
I don't know.
But the fact is he should keep it within the organization and let them work it out.
No need to stir the pot and get the media involved.
The only reason why someone would do that in this situation is to get leverage for more money.


I'm positive we don't have the entire story, but the quotes of the FO sound like the deal is close, when it's not. That's disappointing. This is the time when you pony up and drop a fat, front heavy contract on the guy you want. They are playing this like Birk and I hate it.

Which core players have we re-signed? McKinnie? Griffin? Hell, when was the last time we re-signed a starter over the age of 30?

This team has had huge overhaul in the Chilly era. I think we have what, 4 starters remaining from the Tice years? The core of this team has been thrown away and restructured, and I'm fine with that, because it was needed, but the line should be drawn somewhere. Birk and Sharper can still play, and even if you don't believe they could, Winny can. Who are you going to replace Winny with without your offense losing a beat? Either a stud rookie DB or a stud FA DB. Either way a lot of money is going to come out of your pockets, and the risk is greater. Just keep Winny.

In any event, the lack of re-signing starters is pretty apparent. MAybe it's the FA era in full swing, but its getting to me. If Chilly starts to show "his guys" like Leber and Hutch, the door before adequately replacing them, that is where I lose faith in the current FO.


I agree with you in that Winny is important but I just don't see where they lack in resigning people or starters.
They lost two players in which can be considered key guys.
Again they were both aged and losing steps.
Who else did they lose that has been a bad loss?
I don't see anyone making a name for themselves somewhere else.
I think they have done a good job at resigning poeple.
Maybe this year two left but it seemed to be their (the Vikings) option.
As far as signing anyone over 30 I don't see what difference it makes?
Who have they lost over 30 other than Sharper and Burk?


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.

Were these all bad moves? No not all, but I do get worried that the staff is too youth crazed, especially when talks about Winny-on-the-way-out are happening.

Again, these moves were a part of rebuilding, but I think if you don't consider to be rebuilding anymore, then that is synonomous with holding on to your known commodities.

Going forward, if the team has a better year than last, guys like Antoine, Chester, Artis, Ray, and Charles need to be kept in addition to Cedric.


Good post V.
You are right.
they did get rid of those players.
I always liked TR but truth be told he was hurt more often than not.
He was even hurt last year.
But I do agree with your point we need to be consistent and keep the same core people.

jmcdon00
07-07-2009, 08:33 PM
"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


I agree with the fact they need to be upfront with him.
I don't think we have the entire story though.
We don't know the asking price.
Evidently the agent say they aren't close.
Maybe the VIkings don't think he is worth what he is asking.
I also believe the Favre, rookies and possibly another FA may be weighing on why a deal isn't done yet.


Fact I am seeing with Winfield is his contract is up next year (not now).
Of course I and others would like to keep him because of your point.
He is a known and solid commodity.
But if he is saying the Vikings don't keep their "core players" I say that's hogwash.
They have signed core players to extensions over the past couple of years.
If you look at FAs they didn't bring much in this year at all.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why the deal isn't done yet.
But it now is an issue for me with him.
He wanted out of Buffalo.
Yes he was a FA and had his rights to do so but he made it pretty clear he wanted out.
Now for the 2nd time in 3 years he is stirring the pot.
Maybe he is justified.
I don't know.
But the fact is he should keep it within the organization and let them work it out.
No need to stir the pot and get the media involved.
The only reason why someone would do that in this situation is to get leverage for more money.


I'm positive we don't have the entire story, but the quotes of the FO sound like the deal is close, when it's not. That's disappointing. This is the time when you pony up and drop a fat, front heavy contract on the guy you want. They are playing this like Birk and I hate it.

Which core players have we re-signed? McKinnie? Griffin? Hell, when was the last time we re-signed a starter over the age of 30?

This team has had huge overhaul in the Chilly era. I think we have what, 4 starters remaining from the Tice years? The core of this team has been thrown away and restructured, and I'm fine with that, because it was needed, but the line should be drawn somewhere. Birk and Sharper can still play, and even if you don't believe they could, Winny can. Who are you going to replace Winny with without your offense losing a beat? Either a stud rookie DB or a stud FA DB. Either way a lot of money is going to come out of your pockets, and the risk is greater. Just keep Winny.

In any event, the lack of re-signing starters is pretty apparent. MAybe it's the FA era in full swing, but its getting to me. If Chilly starts to show "his guys" like Leber and Hutch, the door before adequately replacing them, that is where I lose faith in the current FO.


I agree with you in that Winny is important but I just don't see where they lack in resigning people or starters.
They lost two players in which can be considered key guys.
Again they were both aged and losing steps.
Who else did they lose that has been a bad loss?
I don't see anyone making a name for themselves somewhere else.
I think they have done a good job at resigning poeple.
Maybe this year two left but it seemed to be their (the Vikings) option.
As far as signing anyone over 30 I don't see what difference it makes?
Who have they lost over 30 other than Sharper and Burk?


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.

Were these all bad moves? No not all, but I do get worried that the staff is too youth crazed, especially when talks about Winny-on-the-way-out are happening.

Again, these moves were a part of rebuilding, but I think if you don't consider to be rebuilding anymore, then that is synonomous with holding on to your known commodities.

Going forward, if the team has a better year than last, guys like Antoine, Chester, Artis, Ray, and Charles need to be kept in addition to Cedric.

I think some of it might be the front office gearing up for an uncapped year. There are still a lot of rules in an uncapped year and I don't understand any of them, but I believe we have guys in the front office that do.
And while we are in a win now faze, you always have to plan for the future. Teams that put all there eggs in one basket can be right back to rebuilding mode very quickly.
Plus we have brought in a lot of "second contract guys", like Berrian, Allen, Wade, Taylor and probably a few more I can't think of right now.
All and all I think this front office is far better at acquiring and retaining key guys than the previous group.

Tad7
07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
Let Winfield go if he wants an absurd amount of money or too long of a contract. 2 years max

He's 33 heading into next season and there was times at the end of last season where he looked tired.. cornerbacks age fast. I know there's talk of moving him to safety but there's no indication we'll need safety help in the next few years except as a back up but he'll be getting starter money.

I'm a fan of the guy but giving a player his last big contract will end up biting you in the ass more times than not.

Purple Floyd
07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Some great stuff in there (as usual), however, what if he does play up to what he did last year?

Long story short, the staff should know what shape he is in both physically and talent wise.
Give him a 3 year contract commensurate to that level.

Will it cost, hell yes, but damn, unlike Sharp who has lost a step and Birk, who either didn't fit the scheme or lost as step or both, were a FO being smart.
Screwing with this cat is a FO being dumb.


I don't see them giving 3 years to a guy his age. What makes you think in the next 3 or 4 years that he won;t lose as much or more than Birk and Sharper lost last year(Considering they are close in age and he would be older at the end of the contract than both of them are right now)?

Zeus
07-07-2009, 08:38 PM
"V" wrote:


They are not being hazy. They are being two-faced. they realize Winny is worth keeping but are not willing to pay for it.
Very similar to Birk.


Not at all similar to Birk.
Birk wanted to go.
He did not agree with the coaching style and was no longer a Pro Bowl player.

Winfield, OTOH, has enjoyed the coaching style here and IS a Pro Bowl player.
I think the situation is more akin to how Pat Williams was extended a couple years back.
And I wish Winfield would stop playing to the press.

=Z=

BloodyHorns82
07-07-2009, 08:41 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"V" wrote:


They are not being hazy. They are being two-faced. they realize Winny is worth keeping but are not willing to pay for it.
Very similar to Birk.


Not at all similar to Birk.
Birk wanted to go.
He did not agree with the coaching style and was no longer a Pro Bowl player.

Winfield, OTOH, has enjoyed the coaching style here and IS a Pro Bowl player.
I think the situation is more akin to how Pat Williams was extended a couple years back.
And I wish Winfield would stop playing to the press.

=Z=


Didn't Winfield and Childress get into it a few times?

Zeus
07-07-2009, 08:44 PM
"V" wrote:


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.


I regret the loss of Tony Richardson, but that is the only one of those over-the-hill players who were worth a shit.

Wiggins has failed to get an NFL job since he was let go.
Marcus Robinson failed to get a job after he was let go.
Napoleon Harris was released by Kansas City, signed by the Vikings and only started 5 games for them.
The entire LB corps was NOT restructured.
On the contrary, once Ben Leber was signed and EJ moved to the middle (and Greenway was drafted), the group has been stable, outside of injury issues.
Dwight Smith was a horrible player for the Vikings in his final season and was in trouble multiple times on or off the field.

Meanwhile, the Vikings have extended Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, EJ Henderson, Ced Griffin, Jimmy Kleinsasser and Bryant McKinnie.


=Z=

Zeus
07-07-2009, 08:45 PM
"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"V" wrote:


They are not being hazy. They are being two-faced. they realize Winny is worth keeping but are not willing to pay for it.
Very similar to Birk.


Not at all similar to Birk.
Birk wanted to go.
He did not agree with the coaching style and was no longer a Pro Bowl player.

Winfield, OTOH, has enjoyed the coaching style here and IS a Pro Bowl player.
I think the situation is more akin to how Pat Williams was extended a couple years back.
And I wish Winfield would stop playing to the press.


Didn't Winfield and Childress get into it a few times?


Supposedly.
But I was referring to the defensive coaching staff.
Should have been clearer.

=Z=

V-Unit
07-07-2009, 11:50 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"V" wrote:


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.


I regret the loss of Tony Richardson, but that is the only one of those over-the-hill players who were worth a shit.

Wiggins has failed to get an NFL job since he was let go.
Marcus Robinson failed to get a job after he was let go.
Napoleon Harris was released by Kansas City, signed by the Vikings and only started 5 games for them.
The entire LB corps was NOT restructured.
On the contrary, once Ben Leber was signed and EJ moved to the middle (and Greenway was drafted), the group has been stable, outside of injury issues.
Dwight Smith was a horrible player for the Vikings in his final season and was in trouble multiple times on or off the field.

Meanwhile, the Vikings have extended Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, EJ Henderson, Ced Griffin, Jimmy Kleinsasser and Bryant McKinnie.


=Z=


Never said they were worth a shit. EJ wanted examples of veterans who we said goodbye to and I gave them to him, not even including the entire list. The bottom line is that we have just gone through a massive overhaul and there comes a time where you need to stop overhauling and start building on top of an already good team. I think it's telling that we have kept 4 defensive starters but only 1 offensive starter, especially when comparing that to our defensive successes and offensive failures.

We missed a beat when Tyrell came in for Dwight Smith. Was Smith worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

We missed a beat when Shank came in for Jermaine Wiggins. Was Wiggins worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

The same is true for Tony Richardson, Nate Burleson, heck even Mike Rosenthal. So to expect progress when Tyrell takes over for Darren, and John takes over for Matt, or if Asher takes over for Antoine? I see the potential but it's far from guaranteed.

I see nothing wrong with adding Sage Rosenfels, Percy Harvin, and Phil Loadholt to a 10-6 team.

ejmat
07-08-2009, 07:29 AM
"V" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"V" wrote:


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.


I regret the loss of Tony Richardson, but that is the only one of those over-the-hill players who were worth a shit.

Wiggins has failed to get an NFL job since he was let go.
Marcus Robinson failed to get a job after he was let go.
Napoleon Harris was released by Kansas City, signed by the Vikings and only started 5 games for them.
The entire LB corps was NOT restructured.
On the contrary, once Ben Leber was signed and EJ moved to the middle (and Greenway was drafted), the group has been stable, outside of injury issues.
Dwight Smith was a horrible player for the Vikings in his final season and was in trouble multiple times on or off the field.

Meanwhile, the Vikings have extended Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, EJ Henderson, Ced Griffin, Jimmy Kleinsasser and Bryant McKinnie.


=Z=


Never said they were worth a shit. EJ wanted examples of veterans who we said goodbye to and I gave them to him, not even including the entire list. The bottom line is that we have just gone through a massive overhaul and there comes a time where you need to stop overhauling and start building on top of an already good team. I think it's telling that we have kept 4 defensive starters but only 1 offensive starter, especially when comparing that to our defensive successes and offensive failures.

We missed a beat when Tyrell came in for Dwight Smith. Was Smith worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

We missed a beat when Shank came in for Jermaine Wiggins. Was Wiggins worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

The same is true for Tony Richardson, Nate Burleson, heck even Mike Rosenthal. So to expect progress when Tyrell takes over for Darren, and John takes over for Matt, or if Asher takes over for Antoine? I see the potential but it's far from guaranteed.

I see nothing wrong with adding Sage Rosenfels, Percy Harvin, and Phil Loadholt to a 10-6 team.


I understand what you are saying now but I may look at it a little differently.
For the players we lost such as Dwight Smith and Marcus Robinson I didn't really mind loosing them.
The weren't real good anyway so to re-sign them would have been questionable imo.
At the time I thought loosing Wiggins was a big deal but it ended up not being so bad for the long run.
Harris I thought did a good job filling in last year so I was somewhat upset but with a healthy EJ he is most likely not needed.
Mike Rosenthal was one of the biggest pieces of crap to don a VIking uniform imo.


What we need to remember here is it is a business.
There will be players that come and go that some of us may like or dislike.
Although I see what you are saying I don't think any of the losses were that big and since it is a business you have to do what is right for the organization.
You and I don't know what goes on behind the scenes so there may be other reasons why they walked or the Vikings let them walk.
But all in all the VIkings have done a pretty good job retaining other core players over the past couple of years.
They can't just retain people to retain them.
There has to be a reason for it.

Zeus
07-08-2009, 08:38 AM
"V" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"V" wrote:


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.


I regret the loss of Tony Richardson, but that is the only one of those over-the-hill players who were worth a shit.

Wiggins has failed to get an NFL job since he was let go.
Marcus Robinson failed to get a job after he was let go.
Napoleon Harris was released by Kansas City, signed by the Vikings and only started 5 games for them.
The entire LB corps was NOT restructured.
On the contrary, once Ben Leber was signed and EJ moved to the middle (and Greenway was drafted), the group has been stable, outside of injury issues.
Dwight Smith was a horrible player for the Vikings in his final season and was in trouble multiple times on or off the field.

Meanwhile, the Vikings have extended Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, EJ Henderson, Ced Griffin, Jimmy Kleinsasser and Bryant McKinnie.



Never said they were worth a shit. EJ wanted examples of veterans who we said goodbye to and I gave them to him, not even including the entire list. The bottom line is that we have just gone through a massive overhaul and there comes a time where you need to stop overhauling and start building on top of an already good team. I think it's telling that we have kept 4 defensive starters but only 1 offensive starter, especially when comparing that to our defensive successes and offensive failures.

We missed a beat when Tyrell came in for Dwight Smith. Was Smith worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

We missed a beat when Shank came in for Jermaine Wiggins. Was Wiggins worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

The same is true for Tony Richardson, Nate Burleson, heck even Mike Rosenthal. So to expect progress when Tyrell takes over for Darren, and John takes over for Matt, or if Asher takes over for Antoine? I see the potential but it's far from guaranteed.

I see nothing wrong with adding Sage Rosenfels, Percy Harvin, and Phil Loadholt to a 10-6 team.


Tyrell wasn't drafted to replace Dwight Smith.
He was thrust into that role when Madieu got injured.
As soon as he came back, the safety position got much stronger (in spit of Mr. Whiffer still being on the field).

There wasn't a need to extend the offensive players as much as the defensive, simply because their contracts were not up (or going to expire in the next 1-2 years).
McKinnie's was, so he was re-signed.
When Hutch gets to that point in a year or so, I would expect a large effort to extend him.
Same for AD.

=Z=

Marrdro
07-08-2009, 06:18 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Some great stuff in there (as usual), however, what if he does play up to what he did last year?

Long story short, the staff should know what shape he is in both physically and talent wise.
Give him a 3 year contract commensurate to that level.

Will it cost, hell yes, but gol 'darnit, unlike Sharp who has lost a step and Birk, who either didn't fit the scheme or lost as step or both, were a FO being smart.
Screwing with this cat is a FO being dumb.


I don't see them giving 3 years to a guy his age. What makes you think in the next 3 or 4 years that he won;t lose as much or more than Birk and Sharper lost last year(Considering they are close in age and he would be older at the end of the contract than both of them are right now)?

Hell they could give him a 5 year contract.
Doesn't matter.
Ole Bryzcheakski can/would/will load it with all kinds of crap.
Lets not forget that all that kindof crap is to make the player happy and the press as nothing but the signing bonus is guaranteed.

In the long run, the contract doesn't mean squat.
He is just looking to get that guaranteed stuff to his liking.

Purple Floyd
07-08-2009, 09:50 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Some great stuff in there (as usual), however, what if he does play up to what he did last year?

Long story short, the staff should know what shape he is in both physically and talent wise.
Give him a 3 year contract commensurate to that level.

Will it cost, hell yes, but gol 'darnit, unlike Sharp who has lost a step and Birk, who either didn't fit the scheme or lost as step or both, were a FO being smart.
Screwing with this cat is a FO being dumb.


I don't see them giving 3 years to a guy his age. What makes you think in the next 3 or 4 years that he won;t lose as much or more than Birk and Sharper lost last year(Considering they are close in age and he would be older at the end of the contract than both of them are right now)?

Hell they could give him a 5 year contract.
Doesn't matter.
Ole Bryzcheakski can/would/will load it with all kinds of crap.
Lets not forget that all that kindof crap is to make the player happy and the press as nothing but the signing bonus is guaranteed.

In the long run, the contract doesn't mean squat.
He is just looking to get that guaranteed stuff to his liking.


He's too old. Cut his whining ass and let the new guy get the reps. Hell, we are rebuilding anyway.

ThorSPL
07-08-2009, 10:19 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Some great stuff in there (as usual), however, what if he does play up to what he did last year?

Long story short, the staff should know what shape he is in both physically and talent wise.
Give him a 3 year contract commensurate to that level.

Will it cost, hell yes, but gol 'darnit, unlike Sharp who has lost a step and Birk, who either didn't fit the scheme or lost as step or both, were a FO being smart.
Screwing with this cat is a FO being dumb.


I don't see them giving 3 years to a guy his age. What makes you think in the next 3 or 4 years that he won;t lose as much or more than Birk and Sharper lost last year(Considering they are close in age and he would be older at the end of the contract than both of them are right now)?

Hell they could give him a 5 year contract.

Doesn't matter.
Ole Bryzcheakski can/would/will load it with all kinds of crap.
Lets not forget that all that kindof crap is to make the player happy and the press as nothing but the signing bonus is guaranteed.

In the long run, the contract doesn't mean squat.
He is just looking to get that guaranteed stuff to his liking.


He's too old. Cut his whining ass and let the new guy get the reps. Hell, we are rebuilding anyway.


The situation does remind me a great deal of the Birk situation; maybe they are very excited at somebody who is coming up through the ranks...

Then again, lets see how Sullivan pans out.

jmcdon00
07-08-2009, 10:28 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Some great stuff in there (as usual), however, what if he does play up to what he did last year?

Long story short, the staff should know what shape he is in both physically and talent wise.
Give him a 3 year contract commensurate to that level.

Will it cost, hell yes, but gol 'darnit, unlike Sharp who has lost a step and Birk, who either didn't fit the scheme or lost as step or both, were a FO being smart.
Screwing with this cat is a FO being dumb.


I don't see them giving 3 years to a guy his age. What makes you think in the next 3 or 4 years that he won;t lose as much or more than Birk and Sharper lost last year(Considering they are close in age and he would be older at the end of the contract than both of them are right now)?

Hell they could give him a 5 year contract.

Doesn't matter.
Ole Bryzcheakski can/would/will load it with all kinds of crap.
Lets not forget that all that kindof crap is to make the player happy and the press as nothing but the signing bonus is guaranteed.

In the long run, the contract doesn't mean squat.
He is just looking to get that guaranteed stuff to his liking.

He's gonna want a large sum guaranteed. So they either have to spread that out or take a big hit right away. If they had the capspace I'm sure they would take it right away, but with Favre coming I don't know how much room they have. I'm guessing he'll get 12-15million just for this one season.
If you spread it out it can comeback to haunt you if he ends up being cut or traded and you have that dead money restricting what you can do.
Players and agents are dumb either, they want money, and they want it guaranteed. If the vikings don't pay it someone else will. Plus if he knows he's gonna be in a contract year he's likely to play his ass off.

V-Unit
07-08-2009, 11:42 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"V" wrote:


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.


I regret the loss of Tony Richardson, but that is the only one of those over-the-hill players who were worth a shit.

Wiggins has failed to get an NFL job since he was let go.
Marcus Robinson failed to get a job after he was let go.
Napoleon Harris was released by Kansas City, signed by the Vikings and only started 5 games for them.
The entire LB corps was NOT restructured.
On the contrary, once Ben Leber was signed and EJ moved to the middle (and Greenway was drafted), the group has been stable, outside of injury issues.
Dwight Smith was a horrible player for the Vikings in his final season and was in trouble multiple times on or off the field.

Meanwhile, the Vikings have extended Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, EJ Henderson, Ced Griffin, Jimmy Kleinsasser and Bryant McKinnie.


=Z=


Never said they were worth a shit. EJ wanted examples of veterans who we said goodbye to and I gave them to him, not even including the entire list. The bottom line is that we have just gone through a massive overhaul and there comes a time where you need to stop overhauling and start building on top of an already good team. I think it's telling that we have kept 4 defensive starters but only 1 offensive starter, especially when comparing that to our defensive successes and offensive failures.

We missed a beat when Tyrell came in for Dwight Smith. Was Smith worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

We missed a beat when Shank came in for Jermaine Wiggins. Was Wiggins worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

The same is true for Tony Richardson, Nate Burleson, heck even Mike Rosenthal. So to expect progress when Tyrell takes over for Darren, and John takes over for Matt, or if Asher takes over for Antoine? I see the potential but it's far from guaranteed.

I see nothing wrong with adding Sage Rosenfels, Percy Harvin, and Phil Loadholt to a 10-6 team.


I understand what you are saying now but I may look at it a little differently.
For the players we lost such as Dwight Smith and Marcus Robinson I didn't really mind loosing them.
The weren't real good anyway so to re-sign them would have been questionable imo.
At the time I thought loosing Wiggins was a big deal but it ended up not being so bad for the long run.
Harris I thought did a good job filling in last year so I was somewhat upset but with a healthy EJ he is most likely not needed.
Mike Rosenthal was one of the biggest pieces of crap to don a VIking uniform imo.


What we need to remember here is it is a business.
There will be players that come and go that some of us may like or dislike.
Although I see what you are saying I don't think any of the losses were that big and since it is a business you have to do what is right for the organization.
You and I don't know what goes on behind the scenes so there may be other reasons why they walked or the Vikings let them walk.
But all in all the VIkings have done a pretty good job retaining other core players over the past couple of years.
They can't just retain people to retain them.
There has to be a reason for it.


Yeah. We are on the same page. I was jsut giving examples on unfavorable veterans who were replaced by young guys and did the young guy come in a perform right away? No, we had saw some struggles. That is why I prefer to phase them in slowly.

I am not for retaining people for the sake of retaining them. I am for retaining people who I believe can help this team win now. Winfield can surely do that.

kevoncox
07-09-2009, 03:07 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"V" wrote:


Tony Richadrson comes to mind. Jermaine Wiggins as well. We said bye to Marcus Robsinson extremely quickly. Napo Harris had a solid year in EJ's absence and we showed him the door. Our entire LB corps was totally restructured. Bye bye Dwight Smith.


I regret the loss of Tony Richardson, but that is the only one of those over-the-hill players who were worth a pooh.

Wiggins has failed to get an NFL job since he was let go.
Marcus Robinson failed to get a job after he was let go.
Napoleon Harris was released by Kansas City, signed by the Vikings and only started 5 games for them.
The entire LB corps was NOT restructured.
On the contrary, once Ben Leber was signed and EJ moved to the middle (and Greenway was drafted), the group has been stable, outside of injury issues.
Dwight Smith was a horrible player for the Vikings in his final season and was in trouble multiple times on or off the field.

Meanwhile, the Vikings have extended Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, EJ Henderson, Ced Griffin, Jimmy Kleinsasser and Bryant McKinnie.



Never said they were worth a pooh. EJ wanted examples of veterans who we said goodbye to and I gave them to him, not even including the entire list. The bottom line is that we have just gone through a massive overhaul and there comes a time where you need to stop overhauling and start building on top of an already good team. I think it's telling that we have kept 4 defensive starters but only 1 offensive starter, especially when comparing that to our defensive successes and offensive failures.

We missed a beat when Tyrell came in for Dwight Smith. Was Smith worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

We missed a beat when Shank came in for Jermaine Wiggins. Was Wiggins worth keeping? No, but we still got worse in his absence.

The same is true for Tony Richardson, Nate Burleson, heck even Mike Rosenthal. So to expect progress when Tyrell takes over for Darren, and John takes over for Matt, or if Asher takes over for Antoine? I see the potential but it's far from guaranteed.

I see nothing wrong with adding Sage Rosenfels, Percy Harvin, and Phil Loadholt to a 10-6 team.


Tyrell wasn't drafted to replace Dwight Smith.
He was thrust into that role when Madieu got injured.
As soon as he came back, the safety position got much stronger (in spit of Mr. Whiffer still being on the field).

There wasn't a need to extend the offensive players as much as the defensive, simply because their contracts were not up (or going to expire in the next 1-2 years).
McKinnie's was, so he was re-signed.
When Hutch gets to that point in a year or so, I would expect a large effort to extend him.
Same for AD.

=Z=


My Wiffer being injuried was the trning oint in the Eagles game BTW.