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UMD_Bleeds_Purple
11-17-2008, 10:47 AM
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/77852
(http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/77852)

I think this could be a great move for the Vikings!
We are an established QB away from being one of the best teams in the NFL and the best in the North!
I think putting McNabb along side AP and our sick defense is something dreams are made of!
I think if donovan goes into free agency Chilly will go crazy! since he worked with D nab before!
Let me know what you think...I know its still a rumor but I think if we could get D nab for atleast a couple years while JDB watches on we could make some real noise

Better than picking up cassel or D anderson?

i_bleed_purple
11-17-2008, 11:07 AM
"UMD_Bleeds_Purple" wrote:


http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/77852
(http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/77852)

I think this could be a great move for the Vikings!

We are an established QB away from being one of the best teams in the NFL and the best in the North!
I think putting McNabb along side AP and our sick defense is something dreams are made of!
I think if donovan goes into free agency Chilly will go crazy! since he worked with D nab before!
Let me know what you think...I know its still a rumor but I think if we could get D nab for atleast a couple years while JDB watches on we could make some real noise

Better than picking up cassel or D anderson?

you are assuming that Chilly is still around when free agency comes around.
If McNabb hits FA, i hope to god that we do our best to get him here.
he will be a hot commodity though.

Mr Anderson
11-17-2008, 11:17 AM
Didn't McNabb throw 3 picks, choke, and puke in the Super Bowl, when he was 4-5 years younger and much healthier?

If we do pick up McNabb in FA we damn well better draft a QB to go along with him.

V4L
11-17-2008, 11:17 AM
This rumor has been going around for years

I would love to have the guy here.. But I dont see it happening at all

I think Philly will let him finish his career there and I think he wants to do that

Mr-holland
11-17-2008, 11:24 AM
"Mr" wrote:


Didn't McNabb throw 3 picks, choke, and puke in the Super Bowl, when he was 4-5 years younger and much healthier?

If we do pick up McNabb in FA we gol 'darnit well better draft a QB to go along with him.

Basing his whole carreer on one game?

Purple Floyd
11-17-2008, 11:33 AM
This has been floating around since Chilly got here.

I am not a fan of McNabb and really don't want to see him here, but if chilly is still the coach and when faced with the decision between McNabb and anybody else they have brought in here I guess McNabb isn't the worst possibility.

V4L
11-17-2008, 12:19 PM
McNabb has only had TO as a good WR

He would be great with BB and Rice and Wade and mix in AP getting 8 man fronts

I so wish this would happen

petrodemos
11-17-2008, 12:24 PM
no qb in the right mind should play for childress.

say cassel does come here, whos to say its not belichick and moss making cassel the qb he is now?

untill the head coaching situation is resolved i dont believe we'l see a big name quarter back come here.

Purple Floyd
11-17-2008, 12:25 PM
DM does have a habit of disappearing in the biggest games so he should feel very comfortable here.

V4L
11-17-2008, 12:28 PM
Our QBs also never get us to a big game

I would be thrilled.. He would for sure get us to the playoffs.. And who knows after that with Chilly as coach

Maybe if we actually had a QB Chilly could open his playbook.. We are very very limited to slants and dump offs with Gus.. And the occasional big throw

Purple Floyd
11-17-2008, 12:30 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Our QBs also never get us to a big game

I would be thrilled.. He would for sure get us to the playoffs.. And who knows after that with Chilly as coach

Maybe if we actually had a QB Chilly could open his playbook.. We are very very limited to slants and dump offs with Gus.. And the occasional big throw


The comment was in reference to the history of the team back to the 60's, not just the past 3 years. ;)

V4L
11-17-2008, 12:32 PM
Ha gotcha :)

Im a little drunk so im not really reading into posts all that well!!

If there is any chance Philly doesn't sign him back PLEASE make an attempt at Mac

AngloVike
11-17-2008, 03:30 PM
If Childress was still here then who's to say that McNabb would want to be re-united with him?
No point in speculating about QBs until we know what will happen with the coaching staff - they will be the biggest deciding factor rather than money or even current players.

purplehelmut
11-17-2008, 04:11 PM
Well I for one have never been a McNabb fan.
We need a good young QB, not another retread.
I've got to believe there is a better option out there.

BloodyHorns82
11-17-2008, 04:25 PM
"purplehelmut" wrote:


Well I for one have never been a McNabb fan.
We need a good young QB, not another retread.
I've got to believe there is a better option out there.


While I am not a huge fan of bringing in McNabb, he would be a nice band-aid for the time being.
He is certainly an improvement over Gus and Tjack.

The scary thing is that there aren't any great promising options for us next year.
Even if we draft a QB we still are going to need a solution for next year and probably the year after before the rookie would be ready.
We need a franchise QB.
Too bad it's not as easy as putting out a Craigslist ad.

pack93z
11-17-2008, 04:32 PM
Are you serious... send his arse to the Bears.. they can live out the days under the man whom has no clue about overtime, looks old and slow and is soft as they come.

You can't be serious about McNabb in Minny..

Formo
11-17-2008, 04:50 PM
"pack93z" wrote:


Are you serious... send his arse to the Bears.. they can live out the days under the man whom has no clue about overtime, looks old and slow and is soft as they come.

You can't be serious about McNabb in Minny..


Dude..
You haven't been cheering for a team with a carousel at the QB position.
Any big name looks great to us.

BTW, I'm not calling for McNabb..
but much like others, I wouldn't be made.
It definitely wouldn't be the worst FA/trade pickup the Vikings have made.

V4L
11-17-2008, 04:54 PM
What do people have against McNabb?

He is lightyears ahead of Gus and T-Jack

He is having a subpar year but is still much better then whatever we got

2700 yards 14 TDs and 8 Picks.. 271 yards a game.. 85 qb rating and 7 yards a pass

That was mostly without Curtis and without Westbrook for awhile.. Having Desean Jackson as ur main target and a softer line then we got

He would fit in here nicely.. It won't happen but I don't understand why people wouldn't want him for a few years

i_bleed_purple
11-17-2008, 04:59 PM
"V4L" wrote:


What do people have against McNabb?

He is lightyears ahead of Gus and T-Jack

He is having a subpar year but is still much better then whatever we got

2700 yards 14 TDs and 8 Picks.. 271 yards a game.. 85 qb rating and 7 yards a pass

That was mostly without Curtis and without Westbrook for awhile.. Having Desean Jackson as ur main target and a softer line then we got

He would fit in here nicely.. It won't happen but I don't understand why people wouldn't want him for a few years


because people here are set on the thought that we're going to find the second coming of Christ in the late rounds of the draft, a guy who will come in and bring us to a superbowl his rookie year.

huxx
11-17-2008, 05:04 PM
"V4L" wrote:


What do people have against McNabb?

He is lightyears ahead of Gus and T-Jack

He is having a subpar year but is still much better then whatever we got

2700 yards 14 TDs and 8 Picks.. 271 yards a game.. 85 qb rating and 7 yards a pass

That was mostly without Curtis and without Westbrook for awhile.. Having Desean Jackson as ur main target and a softer line then we got

He would fit in here nicely.. It won't happen but I don't understand why people wouldn't want him for a few years


+1


We need a proven starter who can serve as a mentor to some young guys...whether it's TJack, Booty or an 09 Draft Choice.

There needs to be no question going into the season as to who our starter would be, and with a guy like McNabb, there'd be no questions.

Whether he's injury prone or lacking some of his old spark doesn't matter right now.
If we can get a couple of good years while some younger qbs are groomed, we'd be feeling pretty darn fine about ourselves because he's a far more talented qb than what we've got right now.

V4L
11-17-2008, 05:07 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


What do people have against McNabb?

He is lightyears ahead of Gus and T-Jack

He is having a subpar year but is still much better then whatever we got

2700 yards 14 TDs and 8 Picks.. 271 yards a game.. 85 qb rating and 7 yards a pass

That was mostly without Curtis and without Westbrook for awhile.. Having Desean Jackson as ur main target and a softer line then we got

He would fit in here nicely.. It won't happen but I don't understand why people wouldn't want him for a few years


because people here are set on the thought that we're going to find the second coming of Christ in the late rounds of the draft, a guy who will come in and bring us to a superbowl his rookie year.



Oh yes I forgot

Still bitter about Tyler Thigpen.. We let our only chance go

Purple Floyd
11-17-2008, 05:11 PM
"V4L" wrote:


What do people have against McNabb?

He is lightyears ahead of Gus and T-Jack

He is having a subpar year but is still much better then whatever we got

2700 yards 14 TDs and 8 Picks.. 271 yards a game.. 85 qb rating and 7 yards a pass

That was mostly without Curtis and without Westbrook for awhile.. Having Desean Jackson as ur main target and a softer line then we got

He would fit in here nicely.. It won't happen but I don't understand why people wouldn't want him for a few years


For me it is the fact that he has suffered several injuries in the recent past that have kept him on the sidelines and they will certainly be taking their toll on him in the next few years as he ages.

Really, if you look at him he could go either way. He certainly is getting up there in age where historically QB's start to decline, but then again if you look at Collins, Farve and Warner, they are among the most successful players at the QB position this year and they are also several years older than DM.

I just never liked his Chunky commercials, his moon walk or the controversies he has started with some of the things he has said in the past.

lastly and possibly most importantly, to look at him as a fill in as we groom the next QB is hard for me to look at when I look at the team as it is and how it is ready to win now. If he could step in and play from day 1 and do it effectively then he would be a great choice, but if he is only keeping the seat warm then no.

Sajid28
11-17-2008, 05:14 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UMD_Bleeds_Purple" wrote:


http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/77852
(http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/77852)

I think this could be a great move for the Vikings!

We are an established QB away from being one of the best teams in the NFL and the best in the North!
I think putting McNabb along side AP and our sick defense is something dreams are made of!
I think if donovan goes into free agency Chilly will go crazy! since he worked with D nab before!
Let me know what you think...I know its still a rumor but I think if we could get D nab for atleast a couple years while JDB watches on we could make some real noise

Better than picking up cassel or D anderson?

you are assuming that Chilly is still around when free agency comes around.
If McNabb hits FA, i hope to god that we do our best to get him here.
he will be a hot commodity though.


very good point

V4L
11-17-2008, 05:19 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


What do people have against McNabb?

He is lightyears ahead of Gus and T-Jack

He is having a subpar year but is still much better then whatever we got

2700 yards 14 TDs and 8 Picks.. 271 yards a game.. 85 qb rating and 7 yards a pass

That was mostly without Curtis and without Westbrook for awhile.. Having Desean Jackson as ur main target and a softer line then we got

He would fit in here nicely.. It won't happen but I don't understand why people wouldn't want him for a few years


For me it is the fact that he has suffered several injuries in the recent past that have kept him on the sidelines and they will certainly be taking their toll on him in the next few years as he ages.

Really, if you look at him he could go either way. He certainly is getting up there in age where historically QB's start to decline, but then again if you look at Collins, Farve and Warner, they are among the most successful players at the QB position this year and they are also several years older than DM.

I just never liked his Chunky commercials, his moon walk or the controversies he has started with some of the things he has said in the past.

lastly and possibly most importantly, to look at him as a fill in as we groom the next QB is hard for me to look at when I look at the team as it is and how it is ready to win now. If he could step in and play from day 1 and do it effectively then he would be a great choice, but if he is only keeping the seat warm then no.



Agreed with the injuries.. Never know what could happen

But if it was up to him or someone else.. Who do you prefer?

CCthebest
11-17-2008, 05:19 PM
Even if (and lets hope so) Dickless isnt around, McNabb would be a good pickup if the price wasnt way too high. Drop TJ. I think Cassel would be a much better fit though.

dfosterf
11-17-2008, 05:23 PM
I don't know if 93z is serious or just saying that to keep the pitchfork folk from putting that on the agenda when they go for Ziggy and Major Dad.
McNabb has had a couple bad games, sure.
Forget last year. Last year that knee was messing with him, and it showed. This year he has had some real awesome, and I mean awesome performances.
He is not done, not even close, imo.
I don't like him, and I hope he stays right where he is.
You get him... surprise, surprise... Superbowl here you come.
Fortunately for me and my fellow puker fans, your manglement isn't smart enough to pull the trigger on that one. (At least I hope so ;D).

Purple Floyd
11-17-2008, 05:24 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


What do people have against McNabb?

He is lightyears ahead of Gus and T-Jack

He is having a subpar year but is still much better then whatever we got

2700 yards 14 TDs and 8 Picks.. 271 yards a game.. 85 qb rating and 7 yards a pass

That was mostly without Curtis and without Westbrook for awhile.. Having Desean Jackson as ur main target and a softer line then we got

He would fit in here nicely.. It won't happen but I don't understand why people wouldn't want him for a few years


For me it is the fact that he has suffered several injuries in the recent past that have kept him on the sidelines and they will certainly be taking their toll on him in the next few years as he ages.

Really, if you look at him he could go either way. He certainly is getting up there in age where historically QB's start to decline, but then again if you look at Collins, Farve and Warner, they are among the most successful players at the QB position this year and they are also several years older than DM.

I just never liked his Chunky commercials, his moon walk or the controversies he has started with some of the things he has said in the past.

lastly and possibly most importantly, to look at him as a fill in as we groom the next QB is hard for me to look at when I look at the team as it is and how it is ready to win now. If he could step in and play from day 1 and do it effectively then he would be a great choice, but if he is only keeping the seat warm then no.



Agreed with the injuries.. Never know what could happen

But if it was up to him or someone else.. Who do you prefer?


Unless they hire a real, experienced football GM I don't really think it will matter. If they do hire a quality GM who excels at evaluating talent i will defer to him.

V4L
11-17-2008, 05:27 PM
Fair enough

I think a quality probowl QB would definitley be the key

We haven't been far off.. Next year we will have EJ and Gordan and Farwell back

I think we will be in decent shape next year with a better QB

dfosterf
11-17-2008, 05:33 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Fair enough

I think a quality probowl QB would definitley be the key

We haven't been far off.. Next year we will have EJ and Gordan and Farwell back

I think we will be in decent shape next year with a better QB


Anyone ever stacked the box against Philly with Brian Westbrook back there? I never saw it.
Donovan McNabb scares defenses... they respect him...sound familiar?
He is a load to bring down, too.
A Fran Tarkenton at times, A Daunte Culpepper on a good Daunte Culpepper day, a Gus-like manager with a cannon arm.
A better than Brett Favre Brett Favre a lot of times.... Ya, I hate him.

SamOchoCinco
11-17-2008, 05:37 PM
bring this guy in.

simple as that

V4L
11-17-2008, 05:40 PM
I think if we have a shot at him for some reason this offseason it's a no brainer IMO

The dude on a good team is still a top 10 QB

Not in any particular order but my top 10 unless I forget a couple which im sure I will

Brees
Brady
Manning
Manning
Romo
McNabb
Favre
Warner
Cutler
Rivers
Garcia

It's tough to make a top 10 IMO.. I wanted to include people like Roethlisberger but he has been inconsistant... Or Thigpen but he is still young and is it a fluke or no?

Never the less IMO Mac is a top 10 and I know there are rumors about him all the time.. But if we have a shot we gotta make it happen

SamOchoCinco
11-17-2008, 05:49 PM
"V4L" wrote:


I think if we have a shot at him for some reason this offseason it's a no brainer IMO

The dude on a good team is still a top 10 QB

Not in any particular order but my top 10 unless I forget a couple which im sure I will

Brees
Brady
Manning
Manning
Romo
McNabb
Favre
Warner
Cutler
Rivers
Garcia

It's tough to make a top 10 IMO.. I wanted to include people like Roethlisberger but he has been inconsistant... Or Thigpen but he is still young and is it a fluke or no?

Never the less IMO Mac is a top 10 and I know there are rumors about him all the time.. But if we have a shot we gotta make it happen




i agree with everyone but cutler

he has been inconistant.

V4L
11-17-2008, 05:51 PM
yah I was debating him too

I didn't know who to put on.. Him or Roethlisberger or someone else

I never get excited about these Donovan rumors they have happened for a few years here

SamOchoCinco
11-17-2008, 05:55 PM
i would throw in carson palmer instead of him.

or big ben as you said before

or maybe CHAD PENNINGTON ;)

V4L
11-17-2008, 05:57 PM
Carson!!

I knew I was missing someone

I would take Cutler over Pennington slightly..Cutler can throw a deep ball but Pennington is better with the short stuff

SamOchoCinco
11-17-2008, 06:07 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Carson!!

I knew I was missing someone

I would take Cutler over Pennington slightly..Cutler can throw a deep ball but Pennington is better with the short stuff




but pennington is the most accurate quarterback in NFL history i believe

Sajid28
11-17-2008, 06:12 PM
"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Carson!!

I knew I was missing someone

I would take Cutler over Pennington slightly..Cutler can throw a deep ball but Pennington is better with the short stuff




but pennington is the most accurate quarterback in NFL history i believe


NFL history? you got to be kidding... Steve Young is more accurate then pennington. Shyt I can throw in 10 names off the top of my head that are more accurate than pennington. Even Favre is more accurate than him. Pennington does have a good completion %, but to say he is the most accurate is just ludacris.

SamOchoCinco
11-17-2008, 06:14 PM
"Sajid28" wrote:


"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Carson!!

I knew I was missing someone

I would take Cutler over Pennington slightly..Cutler can throw a deep ball but Pennington is better with the short stuff




but pennington is the most accurate quarterback in NFL history i believe


NFL history? you got to be kidding... Steve Young is more accurate then pennington. Shyt I can throw in 10 names off the top of my head that are more accurate than pennington. Even Favre is more accurate than him. Pennington does have a good completion %, but to say he is the most accurate is just ludacris.


thats what i ment was that comp. % and i
heard something about him and the highest in history or current players

and i wasnt sure dude if you read my quote right

midgensa
11-17-2008, 06:42 PM
With Chilly staying on as coach I think it is VERY possible that McNabb would come here if he hits the free agent waters. I think I would more than welcome the move too, especially of T-Jack sticks around to learn a little more.
If Chilly is gone, I see little chance of enticing McNabb here, though I am sure he would like our WR corps and being protected by a running game with All Day.
This is a move we should have made long ago while there was a little bit of a rif between him and the Eagles ... we could have made a decent trade offer and gotten him I think.
Anyways ... if this happens we become a much better team immediately. I would also expect us to be in the mix for Cassel, Anderson and Garcia if they become available.

V4L
11-17-2008, 06:46 PM
It would be idiotic to pass on a top 10 QB if there is any shot at it

SamOchoCinco
11-17-2008, 06:53 PM
"V4L" wrote:


It would be idiotic to pass on a top 10 QB if there is any shot at it


agreed

Big C
11-17-2008, 07:03 PM
Sorry but I am not sold on Donovan and never have been. I have no particular rhyme or reason for it, but I just don't like him. I agree that he would be the best option considering who else is available but that doesn't mean I have to like him
;D.

One thing for sure though: I want a solid FA QB and not another "project". 3 years of mediocre QB play is enough. A new OC and ST coach would be nice too
;).

Sajid28
11-17-2008, 09:56 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


With Chilly staying on as coach I think it is VERY possible that McNabb would come here if he hits the free agent waters. I think I would more than welcome the move too, especially of T-Jack sticks around to learn a little more.
If Chilly is gone, I see little chance of enticing McNabb here, though I am sure he would like our WR corps and being protected by a running game with All Day.
This is a move we should have made long ago while there was a little bit of a rif between him and the Eagles ... we could have made a decent trade offer and gotten him I think.
Anyways ... if this happens we become a much better team immediately. I would also expect us to be in the mix for Cassel, Anderson and Garcia if they become available.


If we end up with cassel, anderson or garcia?? i would hate to think that one of those scrubs would be the future vikings qb. id rather stick out another year with frerrote as our qb then those 3 to be quite honest. the vikings do need a qb like mcnabb to be considered a contender instead of the pretenders we are right now. its either that (mcnabb) or look in the draft for a qb, imo.

i_bleed_purple
11-17-2008, 10:21 PM
"Sajid28" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


With Chilly staying on as coach I think it is VERY possible that McNabb would come here if he hits the free agent waters. I think I would more than welcome the move too, especially of T-Jack sticks around to learn a little more.
If Chilly is gone, I see little chance of enticing McNabb here, though I am sure he would like our WR corps and being protected by a running game with All Day.
This is a move we should have made long ago while there was a little bit of a rif between him and the Eagles ... we could have made a decent trade offer and gotten him I think.
Anyways ... if this happens we become a much better team immediately. I would also expect us to be in the mix for Cassel, Anderson and Garcia if they become available.


If we end up with cassel, anderson or garcia?? i would hate to think that one of those scrubs would be the future vikings qb. id rather stick out another year with frerrote as our qb then those 3 to be quite honest. the vikings do need a qb like mcnabb to be considered a contender instead of the pretenders we are right now. its either that (mcnabb) or look in the draft for a qb, imo.


Garcia won't be the future of anything, he's 38 years old! almost as old as Favre.
Anderson has potential, I'm not sold on Cassell though, something tells me that its just a fluke he's putting up good numbers, or maybe it has something to do with the fact he is throwing to Moss, welker, and has a great line blocking for him.

kevoncox
11-17-2008, 10:34 PM
I love how people hate Mcnabb but are in love with Anderson and Cassell. There must be something in the water that Vike fans drink because McNabb is a top 5 QB in the league. At 31, he is in his Qb prime and has atleast 5 great years left.

McNabb has done more with less talent then any Qb in NFL history except possibly Dan Marino.
His TE is always hurt,
His running back is always hurt
His Wrs are a joke and we keep trading for them.
The year he was given a top teir weapon he made it to the superbowl.
He has lead his team to 4 consecutive NFC championships.
We haven't won a non wild card playoff game in 10 years.
Anyone that doesn't want Mcnabb has no clue on what this team needs. Hint... it's not a project Qb, or one that will still allow defenses to key on AD. McNabb would slice and dice defense if they stacked the line.
How is this even a debate. We have never had a QB of Mcnabbs caliber. He reads defenses like Payton and Brady, Buys time with his feet and Moonwalks when he scores....

Get me a Farve or McNabb.

VikingsExpress
11-18-2008, 12:14 AM
I think daunte had a better year with his WR (moss) then Mcnabb had with Owens.
I think Cpep lost his vision with his knee.
He wasn't the same after that.
I thought he was great prior to that though.
I don't think that interception throwing, butter fingers fumbling QB is the answer.
Chilly is supposedly a QB coach...yet i don't like this.
But who knows...maybe a good thing.
Maybe chilly and mcnabbs chemistry could mesh for a superbowl.
Vision like brady and manning?
Hmm...not so much!

Ranger
11-18-2008, 02:18 AM
It's all guessing and speculation this early, anyway.
However, McNabb (with all of his faults) is ten times the quarterback we have on the team right now.

Shame about Thigpen, huh?
Glad we gave a roster spot to Bollinger.

MN_SkolVikings_NC
11-18-2008, 07:40 AM
I don't think Gus comes back next year as he still hasn't moved his family and is already talking about "not knowing" about next year.
I think the FA class of QB's is VERY weak. These are the top names, please correct me if I forgot anyone.
Jeff Garcia - has no desire to play under Childress
Cassell - one good game, but not good enough to make an improvement to our team
Grossman - need I say anything?
Kyle Boller - nope

I don't think McNabb is the answer either.
He is very average now.
I said this once in another thread already, but I think one more year of a vet QB to develop Booty.
A lot of REALLY good QB's (minus Leinart) played at USC and Booty smashed a lot of their records.
I think this kid could be a gamer, but he needs time to develop.

vikesfargo
11-18-2008, 09:06 AM
McNabb fits our needs at QB. He can throw accurately, run quickly, and has familiarity with the WCO. He'd be great.

Getting McNabb and not upgrading at WR would be a big mistake, however. We need somebody to be a true #1 WR (sorry but we don't have one right now).

oaklandzoo24
11-18-2008, 09:11 AM
Hell im all for McNabb.
He is a proven veteran QB and leader who is familiar with the WCO we run.
He still has stuff left in the tank too.
And I wold much rather grab him than Cassel who many feel will be looking for a deal similar to what Rodgers got at about $65 Million.

I certainly dont want to overpay for another free agent.
Either grab McNabb or pick up a QB or 2 in the draft.

VikesFan4Life
11-18-2008, 09:45 AM
I guess I'd be on board with bringing him in here, with or without Childress at the helm (preferably not).

The QB situation probably couldn't be much worse than it is, with the future not even being on the roster right now.

Is it too much to ask from a team to develop a franchise caliber QB?

ejmat
11-18-2008, 09:47 AM
"petrodemos" wrote:


no qb in the right mind should play for childress.

say cassel does come here, whos to say its not belichick and moss making cassel the qb he is now?

untill the head coaching situation is resolved i dont believe we'l see a big name quarter back come here.


McNabb played for Chilly in Philly.
He liked playing for Chilly so I don't know where you got this from.

bleedpurple
11-18-2008, 10:06 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"petrodemos" wrote:


no qb in the right mind should play for childress.

say cassel does come here, whos to say its not belichick and moss making cassel the qb he is now?

untill the head coaching situation is resolved i dont believe we'l see a big name quarter back come here.


McNabb played for Chilly in Philly.
He liked playing for Chilly so I don't know where you got this from.


I'm not sure about that... from what i understand, McNabb hated chilly!!!

ejmat
11-18-2008, 10:29 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"petrodemos" wrote:


no qb in the right mind should play for childress.

say cassel does come here, whos to say its not belichick and moss making cassel the qb he is now?

untill the head coaching situation is resolved i dont believe we'l see a big name quarter back come here.


McNabb played for Chilly in Philly.
He liked playing for Chilly so I don't know where you got this from.


I'm not sure about that... from what i understand, McNabb hated chilly!!!


I don't remember that.
I know TO didn't like Chilly but I never heard that about McNabb

V4L
11-18-2008, 10:30 AM
I think I read somewhere that McNabb didn't care for him as well

ejmat
11-18-2008, 10:32 AM
"V4L" wrote:


I think I read somewhere that McNabb didn't care for him as well


I didn't hear that but I'm not saying I don't believe it.
What I do remember hearing is that McNabb had a conversation with Childress about TJack and McNabb saying TJ was better than he was at that point in his career.

That would lead me to believe the relationship with McNabb and Chilly wasn't that bad.
Obviously I could be wrong but I never heard or read about any problems with the two.

triedandtruevikesfan
11-18-2008, 10:36 AM
Childress won't be our coach next year anyways, so who cares if they like each other or not?

V4L
11-18-2008, 10:36 AM
Yah idk man.. I just said I think I might have read that somewhere

Maybe someone was just saying it on here? Maybe it was an article? Maybe im just trippin

I have no clue

ejmat
11-18-2008, 10:41 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Yah idk man.. I just said I think I might have read that somewhere

Maybe someone was just saying it on here? Maybe it was an article? Maybe im just trippin

I have no clue


Me either.
WHo knows?
Who cares?
;D

Purple Floyd
11-18-2008, 12:13 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"petrodemos" wrote:


no qb in the right mind should play for childress.

say cassel does come here, whos to say its not belichick and moss making cassel the qb he is now?

untill the head coaching situation is resolved i dont believe we'l see a big name quarter back come here.


McNabb played for Chilly in Philly.
He liked playing for Chilly so I don't know where you got this from.


Then maybe we can talk Reid into calling the plays for us and we would be set.

vikesfargo
11-18-2008, 12:56 PM
McNabb, a #1 WR and a good RT and we win the Super Bowl.

C Mac D
11-18-2008, 12:57 PM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


McNabb, a #1 WR and a good RT and we win the Super Bowl.


Poor guy...

ejmat
11-18-2008, 01:00 PM
"C" wrote:


"vikesfargo" wrote:


McNabb, a #1 WR and a good RT and we win the Super Bowl.


Poor guy...


LOL.
We need to work on STs as well.
We can start by getting Hicks out of there because he goes straight up the middle every freaking time.

Caine
11-18-2008, 01:50 PM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


McNabb, a #1 WR and a good RT and we win the Super Bowl.


Nope....not even close.
We still have Childress.......


Caine

V-Unit
11-18-2008, 01:50 PM
No one wants to talk about the dilemma of which QB do we cut to bring in a new QB.

I have even seen someone post bringing in McNabb and drafting another QB...wow.

V4L
11-18-2008, 01:53 PM
"Caine" wrote:


"vikesfargo" wrote:


McNabb, a #1 WR and a good RT and we win the Super Bowl.


Nope....not even close.
We still have Childress.......


Caine



Does anyone think he would be good when he is actually able to pass?

I do personally.. I can see why many don't.. but I think with a QB which allows him to actually pass I think it would help greatly

Caine
11-18-2008, 01:54 PM
"V" wrote:


No one wants to talk about the dilemma of which QB do we cut to bring in a new QB.

I have even seen someone post bringing in McNabb and drafting another QB...wow.


Bring in McNabb, draft a new QB, keep Booty.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Caine

V4L
11-18-2008, 01:56 PM
"Caine" wrote:


"V" wrote:


No one wants to talk about the dilemma of which QB do we cut to bring in a new QB.

I have even seen someone post bringing in McNabb and drafting another QB...wow.


Bring in McNabb, draft a new QB, keep Booty.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Caine



I would love that

McNabb for a few years then pass the torch onto either the Rook or Booty

bleedpurple
11-18-2008, 02:18 PM
Forget McNabb... i say we get another QB and keep TJack as a backuP!!... draft a corner/return specialist a right tackle, a LB and another receiver!

Game set match!!!

V-Unit
11-18-2008, 02:23 PM
"Caine" wrote:


"V" wrote:


No one wants to talk about the dilemma of which QB do we cut to bring in a new QB.

I have even seen someone post bringing in McNabb and drafting another QB...wow.


Bring in McNabb, draft a new QB, keep Booty.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Caine


Yeah, until you have to deal with the TJ lover crowd that believes TJ deserves yet another shot.

What happens if McNabb sucks as Brad Johnson did in 2006? What happens if the injury-prone McNabb gets injured again? We'd be stuck with Booty and a rookie QB. Sounds a lot like 2006 huh?

V4L
11-18-2008, 02:26 PM
Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt

bleedpurple
11-18-2008, 02:31 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


how about we get a QB somewhere south of 30!!

V4L
11-18-2008, 02:33 PM
What would be wrong with Keeping for for a few years to develop the future QB?

V-Unit
11-18-2008, 02:36 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


How quickly you forget Brad Johnson, the savior of 2005, leading this team to 6 straight wins. 7-2 as a starter that year. 11 highest QB rating, higher than McNabb's rating this year.

I'm all for McNabb, but the QB troubles of the last 4 years means I want a legit backup plan too. Booty and another rookie is not a legit backup plan. That's as poor as TJ and Bollinger, Bollinger and Holcomb, etc.

midgensa
11-18-2008, 02:47 PM
Gus is still under contract for another year as well ... I would expect if we made a move for McNabb that they would probably cut Gus and have McNabb, T-Jack, Booty. They could cut T-Jack though and go McNabb, Gus, Booty. I doubt they cut Booty because I don't think they would make either T-Jack or Gus a No. 3 for the money they make.

V-Unit
11-18-2008, 02:52 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


Gus is still under contract for another year as well ... I would expect if we made a move for McNabb that they would probably cut Gus and have McNabb, T-Jack, Booty. They could cut T-Jack though and go McNabb, Gus, Booty. I doubt they cut Booty because I don't think they would make either T-Jack or Gus a No. 3 for the money they make.


So you cut the QB who had a winning record as a starter?
OR
You give up on the "future" and cut him?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.

bleedpurple
11-18-2008, 02:55 PM
"V" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


How quickly you forget Brad Johnson, the savior of 2005, leading this team to 6 straight wins. 7-2 as a starter that year. 11 highest QB rating, higher than McNabb's rating this year.

I'm all for McNabb, but the QB troubles of the last 4 years means I want a legit backup plan too. Booty and another rookie is not a legit backup plan. That's as poor as TJ and Bollinger, Bollinger and Holcomb, etc.


Dont'you dare call Brad J a savior!!.. the only time he was a savior was in his first stint right before we traded his sorry as to the skins and then we drafted Pepp....

He was awful in 2005... did you even watch the games,???? the only reason we were winning was because our defense was scoring td's as well as the special teams... during that 7-2 misleading stint, we were perrinial field goal kickers...

our offense was atrocious!!... don't dare call him a savior, if anything his misleading performance was the soul purpose we passed on the likes of Bree's and thought we could do without pepp... only to bench brad with three games left in the season (or something like that)...

It's arguably ppl like you (no offense) who thought Brad actually played well that year is the reason we are in this ishittay QB predicament right now!!!...

He sucked.. savior he was not!!!
:o

midgensa
11-18-2008, 02:55 PM
"V" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


Gus is still under contract for another year as well ... I would expect if we made a move for McNabb that they would probably cut Gus and have McNabb, T-Jack, Booty. They could cut T-Jack though and go McNabb, Gus, Booty. I doubt they cut Booty because I don't think they would make either T-Jack or Gus a No. 3 for the money they make.


So you cut the QB who had a winning record as a starter?
OR
You give up on the "future" and cut him?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.

Luckily I don't have to make those decisions. I am just saying that if we bring in McNabb I think it is likely that either T-Jack or Gus goes, I cannot imagine them keeping one of them around as the No. 3 or either one staying around to be the No. 3.
I personally think Gus is the right guy for the job right now, but if we got McNabb, I would be cutting Mr. Frerotte and going with T-Jack as my backup.
I think that T-Jack has some valuable tools and learning under a player like McNabb could get his confidence back while continuing to improve.
So I would love our QB crop next season to be McNabb, T-Jack and Booty (that is assuming I cannot have a QB crop of P. Manning, Brady and Brees).

C Mac D
11-18-2008, 02:56 PM
"V" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


Gus is still under contract for another year as well ... I would expect if we made a move for McNabb that they would probably cut Gus and have McNabb, T-Jack, Booty. They could cut T-Jack though and go McNabb, Gus, Booty. I doubt they cut Booty because I don't think they would make either T-Jack or Gus a No. 3 for the money they make.


So you cut the QB who had a winning record as a starter?
OR
You give up on the "future" and cut him?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.


We already benched a QB with a winning record this season, so what does it matter?

And T-Jack isn't the "Future" to any serious team in the NFL either.

bleedpurple
11-18-2008, 03:00 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


Gus is still under contract for another year as well ... I would expect if we made a move for McNabb that they would probably cut Gus and have McNabb, T-Jack, Booty. They could cut T-Jack though and go McNabb, Gus, Booty. I doubt they cut Booty because I don't think they would make either T-Jack or Gus a No. 3 for the money they make.


So you cut the QB who had a winning record as a starter?
OR
You give up on the "future" and cut him?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.

Luckily I don't have to make those decisions. I am just saying that if we bring in McNabb I think it is likely that either T-Jack or Gus goes, I cannot imagine them keeping one of them around as the No. 3 or either one staying around to be the No. 3.
I personally think Gus is the right guy for the job right now, but if we got McNabb, I would be cutting Mr. Frerotte and going with T-Jack as my backup.
I think that T-Jack has some valuable tools and learning under a player like McNabb could get his confidence back while continuing to improve.
So I would love our QB crop next season to be McNabb, T-Jack and Booty (that is assuming I cannot have a QB crop of P. Manning, Brady and Brees).


I'd rather have Derek Anderson than McNabb.... while he is ok, McNabb is pretty injury prone, older, and a pretty much a choker....who doesn't know there is only 1 overtime period in professional football... talk about being a student of the game....

Derek is younger, has just a strong of an arm and i think would be pretty decent in our kind of offense where he doesn't have to do everything himself.... DA could be a longer term fix at QB versus McNabb which is more of a bandaid...without all the ego!!!

bleedpurple
11-18-2008, 03:02 PM
If that happens Gus is sure to leave/retire....

TJ would be a quality back-up IMO..... He just needs some confidence and some better coaching!

V-Unit
11-18-2008, 03:13 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


How quickly you forget Brad Johnson, the savior of 2005, leading this team to 6 straight wins. 7-2 as a starter that year. 11 highest QB rating, higher than McNabb's rating this year.

I'm all for McNabb, but the QB troubles of the last 4 years means I want a legit backup plan too. Booty and another rookie is not a legit backup plan. That's as poor as TJ and Bollinger, Bollinger and Holcomb, etc.


Dont'you dare call Brad J a savior!!.. the only time he was a savior was in his first stint right before we traded his sorry as to the skins and then we drafted Pepp....

He was awful in 2005... did you even watch the games,???? the only reason we were winning was because our defense was scoring td's as well as the special teams... during that 7-2 misleading stint, we were perrinial field goal kickers...

our offense was atrocious!!... don't dare call him a savior, if anything his misleading performance was the soul purpose we passed on the likes of Bree's and thought we could do without pepp... only to bench brad with three games left in the season (or something like that)...

It's arguably ppl like you (no offense) who thought Brad actually played well that year is the reason we are in this ishittay QB predicament right now!!!...

He sucked.. savior he was not!!!

:o


Face it man. We would kill for a QB who completed 62% of his passes, had a 3:1 TD/INT ratio, and had a rating of 88.9 right now.

Maybe savior was an overstatement, but in 2005 Brad Johnson was a solid NFL QB.

V-Unit
11-18-2008, 03:16 PM
"C" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


Gus is still under contract for another year as well ... I would expect if we made a move for McNabb that they would probably cut Gus and have McNabb, T-Jack, Booty. They could cut T-Jack though and go McNabb, Gus, Booty. I doubt they cut Booty because I don't think they would make either T-Jack or Gus a No. 3 for the money they make.


So you cut the QB who had a winning record as a starter?
OR
You give up on the "future" and cut him?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.


We already benched a QB with a winning record this season, so what does it matter?

And T-Jack isn't the "Future" to any serious team in the NFL either.


Benching and Cutting are two very different things.

ejmat
11-18-2008, 03:16 PM
"V" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


How quickly you forget Brad Johnson, the savior of 2005, leading this team to 6 straight wins. 7-2 as a starter that year. 11 highest QB rating, higher than McNabb's rating this year.

I'm all for McNabb, but the QB troubles of the last 4 years means I want a legit backup plan too. Booty and another rookie is not a legit backup plan. That's as poor as TJ and Bollinger, Bollinger and Holcomb, etc.


Dont'you dare call Brad J a savior!!.. the only time he was a savior was in his first stint right before we traded his sorry as to the skins and then we drafted Pepp....

He was awful in 2005... did you even watch the games,???? the only reason we were winning was because our defense was scoring td's as well as the special teams... during that 7-2 misleading stint, we were perrinial field goal kickers...

our offense was atrocious!!... don't dare call him a savior, if anything his misleading performance was the soul purpose we passed on the likes of Bree's and thought we could do without pepp... only to bench brad with three games left in the season (or something like that)...

It's arguably ppl like you (no offense) who thought Brad actually played well that year is the reason we are in this ishittay QB predicament right now!!!...

He sucked.. savior he was not!!!

:o


Face it man. We would kill for a QB who completed 62% of his passes, had a 3:1 TD/INT ratio, and had a rating of 88.9 right now.

Maybe savior was an overstatement, but in 2005 Brad Johnson was a solid NFL QB.


Yes he was a solid NFL QB in 2005.
Yes he was a savior for that team.
If you want to go solely by stats so be it. But he brought more to the table that year.
He calmed the team down and managed the games very well.
If you don't think Brad Johnson did a good job that year go back and look at the tapes.
He did what was needed to win games.
That was all that was expected of him.
He did a much better job than Culpepper did with the same team Culpepper had.

bleedpurple
11-18-2008, 03:34 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


How quickly you forget Brad Johnson, the savior of 2005, leading this team to 6 straight wins. 7-2 as a starter that year. 11 highest QB rating, higher than McNabb's rating this year.

I'm all for McNabb, but the QB troubles of the last 4 years means I want a legit backup plan too. Booty and another rookie is not a legit backup plan. That's as poor as TJ and Bollinger, Bollinger and Holcomb, etc.


Dont'you dare call Brad J a savior!!.. the only time he was a savior was in his first stint right before we traded his sorry as to the skins and then we drafted Pepp....

He was awful in 2005... did you even watch the games,???? the only reason we were winning was because our defense was scoring td's as well as the special teams... during that 7-2 misleading stint, we were perrinial field goal kickers...

our offense was atrocious!!... don't dare call him a savior, if anything his misleading performance was the soul purpose we passed on the likes of Bree's and thought we could do without pepp... only to bench brad with three games left in the season (or something like that)...

It's arguably ppl like you (no offense) who thought Brad actually played well that year is the reason we are in this ishittay QB predicament right now!!!...

He sucked.. savior he was not!!!
:o


Face it man. We would kill for a QB who completed 62% of his passes, had a 3:1 TD/INT ratio, and had a rating of 88.9 right now.

Maybe savior was an overstatement, but in 2005 Brad Johnson was a solid NFL QB.


Yes he was a solid NFL QB in 2005.
Yes he was a savior for that team.
If you want to go solely by stats so be it. But he brought more to the table that year.
He calmed the team down and managed the games very well.
If you don't think Brad Johnson did a good job that year go back and look at the tapes.
He did what was needed to win games.
That was all that was expected of him.
He did a much better job than Culpepper did with the same team Culpepper had.


i remember... have seen the tapes... he was not a savior, not even for that team.... he was a very good game manager that did not make mistakes, but again, given the team we had and the talent we had on offense and for us to be used to one thing and then get what we had with Brad are two entirely different things... he managed the game well.. but he was far from a juggernaut QB that won games for us...

During that 9 game stretch, the defense and special teams won more than their fair of games for us... specifically the Giants, Green Bay and St. Lois, the other teams we beat during that stretch were Cleveland, and detroit twice.. hardly playoff teams... we lost to Baltimore and Pitt...
and finished up with a waxing of a bad bears team to back into the playoffs.... now if you wanna call that savior than sobeit... but imo, we got lucky with brad managing the game and that's pretty much it...

IF you really watched the games, there was more than enough concern to look for a future QB than entrust your first tenure as a head coach to an aging, noodle arm QB that benefited from a cake schedule down the stretch....

ejmat
11-18-2008, 03:55 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"V" wrote:




Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


How quickly you forget Brad Johnson, the savior of 2005, leading this team to 6 straight wins. 7-2 as a starter that year. 11 highest QB rating, higher than McNabb's rating this year.

I'm all for McNabb, but the QB troubles of the last 4 years means I want a legit backup plan too. Booty and another rookie is not a legit backup plan. That's as poor as TJ and Bollinger, Bollinger and Holcomb, etc.


Dont'you dare call Brad J a savior!!.. the only time he was a savior was in his first stint right before we traded his sorry as to the skins and then we drafted Pepp....

He was awful in 2005... did you even watch the games,???? the only reason we were winning was because our defense was scoring td's as well as the special teams... during that 7-2 misleading stint, we were perrinial field goal kickers...

our offense was atrocious!!... don't dare call him a savior, if anything his misleading performance was the soul purpose we passed on the likes of Bree's and thought we could do without pepp... only to bench brad with three games left in the season (or something like that)...

It's arguably ppl like you (no offense) who thought Brad actually played well that year is the reason we are in this ishittay QB predicament right now!!!...

He sucked.. savior he was not!!!

:o


Face it man. We would kill for a QB who completed 62% of his passes, had a 3:1 TD/INT ratio, and had a rating of 88.9 right now.

Maybe savior was an overstatement, but in 2005 Brad Johnson was a solid NFL QB.


Yes he was a solid NFL QB in 2005.
Yes he was a savior for that team.
If you want to go solely by stats so be it. But he brought more to the table that year.
He calmed the team down and managed the games very well.
If you don't think Brad Johnson did a good job that year go back and look at the tapes.
He did what was needed to win games.
That was all that was expected of him.
He did a much better job than Culpepper did with the same team Culpepper had.


i remember... have seen the tapes... he was not a savior, not even for that team.... he was a very good game manager that did not make mistakes, but again, given the team we had and the talent we had on offense and for us to be used to one thing and then get what we had with Brad are two entirely different things... he managed the game well.. but he was far from a juggernaut QB that won games for us...

During that 9 game stretch, the defense and special teams won more than their fair of games for us... specifically the Giants, Green Bay and St. Lois, the other teams we beat during that stretch were Cleveland, and detroit twice.. hardly playoff teams... we lost to Baltimore and Pitt...
and finished up with a waxing of a bad bears team to back into the playoffs.... now if you wanna call that savior than sobeit... but imo, we got lucky with brad managing the game and that's pretty much it...

IF you really watched the games, there was more than enough concern to look for a future QB than entrust your first tenure as a head coach to an aging, noodle arm QB that benefited from a cake schedule down the stretch....


I don't think anyone here will argue the fact they needed a future QB.
Nor will I or anyone tell you Johnson was a juggernaut.
What I will tell you is he managed the games and did what was needed to win.
His "noodle" arm as you put it is a crock.
He could throw the ball 40-50 yards down the field just as any other QB could do.
If you watched the games then you would see that the WRs were very consistent in dropping passes (I.e. Troy Williamson, Travis Taylor)
He did not have a solid group of people around him at all.
He did better than expected that year.


You are correct in that the defense and STs scored some points for us.
But please don't expect me to believe the defense was that great.
They were near the bottom of the league in pass defense.
They did help with INTs and turnovers though so I can undeerstand what you are trying to say.

The bottom line is BJ calmed that offense down and worked them to their stregnths.
They weren't a powerhouse but they were worse with Pep that year.
If Pep had lasted that entire year there would be no way they would have had a better record.
He was losing too many games for them.

bleedpurple
11-18-2008, 04:38 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:






Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


How quickly you forget Brad Johnson, the savior of 2005, leading this team to 6 straight wins. 7-2 as a starter that year. 11 highest QB rating, higher than McNabb's rating this year.

I'm all for McNabb, but the QB troubles of the last 4 years means I want a legit backup plan too. Booty and another rookie is not a legit backup plan. That's as poor as TJ and Bollinger, Bollinger and Holcomb, etc.


Dont'you dare call Brad J a savior!!.. the only time he was a savior was in his first stint right before we traded his sorry as to the skins and then we drafted Pepp....

He was awful in 2005... did you even watch the games,???? the only reason we were winning was because our defense was scoring td's as well as the special teams... during that 7-2 misleading stint, we were perrinial field goal kickers...

our offense was atrocious!!... don't dare call him a savior, if anything his misleading performance was the soul purpose we passed on the likes of Bree's and thought we could do without pepp... only to bench brad with three games left in the season (or something like that)...

It's arguably ppl like you (no offense) who thought Brad actually played well that year is the reason we are in this ishittay QB predicament right now!!!...

He sucked.. savior he was not!!!
:o


Face it man. We would kill for a QB who completed 62% of his passes, had a 3:1 TD/INT ratio, and had a rating of 88.9 right now.

Maybe savior was an overstatement, but in 2005 Brad Johnson was a solid NFL QB.


Yes he was a solid NFL QB in 2005.
Yes he was a savior for that team.
If you want to go solely by stats so be it. But he brought more to the table that year.
He calmed the team down and managed the games very well.
If you don't think Brad Johnson did a good job that year go back and look at the tapes.
He did what was needed to win games.
That was all that was expected of him.
He did a much better job than Culpepper did with the same team Culpepper had.


i remember... have seen the tapes... he was not a savior, not even for that team.... he was a very good game manager that did not make mistakes, but again, given the team we had and the talent we had on offense and for us to be used to one thing and then get what we had with Brad are two entirely different things... he managed the game well.. but he was far from a juggernaut QB that won games for us...

During that 9 game stretch, the defense and special teams won more than their fair of games for us... specifically the Giants, Green Bay and St. Lois, the other teams we beat during that stretch were Cleveland, and detroit twice.. hardly playoff teams... we lost to Baltimore and Pitt...
and finished up with a waxing of a bad bears team to back into the playoffs.... now if you wanna call that savior than sobeit... but imo, we got lucky with brad managing the game and that's pretty much it...

IF you really watched the games, there was more than enough concern to look for a future QB than entrust your first tenure as a head coach to an aging, noodle arm QB that benefited from a cake schedule down the stretch....


I don't think anyone here will argue the fact they needed a future QB.
Nor will I or anyone tell you Johnson was a juggernaut.
What I will tell you is he managed the games and did what was needed to win.
His "noodle" arm as you put it is a crock.
He could throw the ball 40-50 yards down the field just as any other QB could do.
If you watched the games then you would see that the WRs were very consistent in dropping passes (I.e. Troy Williamson, Travis Taylor)
He did not have a solid group of people around him at all.
He did better than expected that year.


You are correct in that the defense and STs scored some points for us.
But please don't expect me to believe the defense was that great.
They were near the bottom of the league in pass defense.
They did help with INTs and turnovers though so I can undeerstand what you are trying to say.

The bottom line is BJ calmed that offense down and worked them to their stregnths.
They weren't a powerhouse but they were worse with Pep that year.
If Pep had lasted that entire year there would be no way they would have had a better record.
He was losing too many games for them.


I agree with you.... along with the fact that we imploded with Pep in the game....

Twill probably dropped less passes his rookie year than he ever had, and TT was pretty sure handed, so i doubt that brad didn't perform better due to drops... he's never been more than a game manager, and so, to say we would have been better with better receivers is doubtful at best... yes, he has a noodle arm... 40-50 yards??.. a little bit of a stretch... considering we had 6 pass plays of over 30 yards the last 9 games.... and that's assuming he threw the ball in the air for longer than that... we didn't have a downfield pass game/threat that year...

Either way, we agree so i'm with ya... he does have a weak arm tho....
;D

V-Unit
11-18-2008, 07:19 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"V" wrote:




Well McNabb is a top 10 QB and still doing great

Johnson wasn't when he came here and was maybe a top 20 in his prime

The only thing that would screw us over is if McNabb got hurt


How quickly you forget Brad Johnson, the savior of 2005, leading this team to 6 straight wins. 7-2 as a starter that year. 11 highest QB rating, higher than McNabb's rating this year.

I'm all for McNabb, but the QB troubles of the last 4 years means I want a legit backup plan too. Booty and another rookie is not a legit backup plan. That's as poor as TJ and Bollinger, Bollinger and Holcomb, etc.


Dont'you dare call Brad J a savior!!.. the only time he was a savior was in his first stint right before we traded his sorry as to the skins and then we drafted Pepp....

He was awful in 2005... did you even watch the games,???? the only reason we were winning was because our defense was scoring td's as well as the special teams... during that 7-2 misleading stint, we were perrinial field goal kickers...

our offense was atrocious!!... don't dare call him a savior, if anything his misleading performance was the soul purpose we passed on the likes of Bree's and thought we could do without pepp... only to bench brad with three games left in the season (or something like that)...

It's arguably ppl like you (no offense) who thought Brad actually played well that year is the reason we are in this ishittay QB predicament right now!!!...

He sucked.. savior he was not!!!

:o


Face it man. We would kill for a QB who completed 62% of his passes, had a 3:1 TD/INT ratio, and had a rating of 88.9 right now.

Maybe savior was an overstatement, but in 2005 Brad Johnson was a solid NFL QB.


Yes he was a solid NFL QB in 2005.
Yes he was a savior for that team.
If you want to go solely by stats so be it. But he brought more to the table that year.
He calmed the team down and managed the games very well.
If you don't think Brad Johnson did a good job that year go back and look at the tapes.
He did what was needed to win games.
That was all that was expected of him.
He did a much better job than Culpepper did with the same team Culpepper had.


i remember... have seen the tapes... he was not a savior, not even for that team.... he was a very good game manager that did not make mistakes, but again, given the team we had and the talent we had on offense and for us to be used to one thing and then get what we had with Brad are two entirely different things... he managed the game well.. but he was far from a juggernaut QB that won games for us...

During that 9 game stretch, the defense and special teams won more than their fair of games for us... specifically the Giants, Green Bay and St. Lois, the other teams we beat during that stretch were Cleveland, and detroit twice.. hardly playoff teams... we lost to Baltimore and Pitt...
and finished up with a waxing of a bad bears team to back into the playoffs.... now if you wanna call that savior than sobeit... but imo, we got lucky with brad managing the game and that's pretty much it...

IF you really watched the games, there was more than enough concern to look for a future QB than entrust your first tenure as a head coach to an aging, noodle arm QB that benefited from a cake schedule down the stretch....


There was concern to look for a future QB, hence the drafting of Tavaris Jackson. We thought, and based on 2005 it was perfectly acceptable to do so, that BJ could hold down the fort for a couple more years before TJ got the job. He couldn't.

All I'm saying is that if we really want to go into the year with an injury prone vet as our starter, no matter how good he was in previous years, this team should be wary and prepare an adequate backup plan.

kevoncox
11-18-2008, 07:35 PM
Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.

midgensa
11-18-2008, 08:30 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.

Caine
11-18-2008, 08:48 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine

i_bleed_purple
11-18-2008, 11:58 PM
"Caine" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


I bet someone would make a move to try and grab him as a 2nd/3rd stringer.
He has the physical tools, and might be better suited for a different type of offense.

ejmat
11-19-2008, 06:36 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.

bleedpurple
11-19-2008, 11:47 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.


i don't think he could be placed on the ps... but either way, he's more than a viable backup... Ppl said the same thing about derek anderson and eli manning before the light went on....

he was a 2nd year starter for goodness sake benched after the second game... with questionable playcalling
being most likely being his biggest nemesis....

ejmat
11-19-2008, 12:00 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.


i don't think he could be placed on the ps... but either way, he's more than a viable backup... Ppl said the same thing about derek anderson and eli manning before the light went on....

he was a 2nd year starter for goodness sake benched after the second game... with questionable playcalling
being most likely being his biggest nemesis....




Honestly we cannot blame everything on play calling.
He downright missed a few easy throws.
Plain and simple.
He was not getting the team in the endzone.
We were driving down the field so if one were to tell me the play calling was only bad while in the redzone I would ask them to prove it to me.

Caine
11-19-2008, 12:00 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.


i don't think he could be placed on the ps... but either way, he's more than a viable backup... Ppl said the same thing about derek anderson and eli manning before the light went on....

he was a 2nd year starter for goodness sake benched after the second game... with questionable playcalling
being most likely being his biggest nemesis....




There is a HUGE difference between Eli Manning and Tarvaris Jackson.
And Derek Anderson had one good season and has fallen off a great deal since....further he had a LOT more development time before being asked to start.

As for Jackson, he was a second year
starter that never should have been starting.
His first season was fairly unimpressive, and he began the second season in the same fashion.
As for the play calling, I am inclined to believe that the restrictions were more due to Jacksons inability to execute anything beyond the basics.
So, far from blaming play calling, I believe that Jackson was Jackson's own nemesis.

Bottom line, I'd rather take a chance with Booty next year than move on with another phase of the Tarvaris Jackson Development Debacle.


Caine

bleedpurple
11-19-2008, 01:42 PM
"Caine" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:




Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.


i don't think he could be placed on the ps... but either way, he's more than a viable backup... Ppl said the same thing about derek anderson and eli manning before the light went on....

he was a 2nd year starter for goodness sake benched after the second game... with questionable playcalling
being most likely being his biggest nemesis....




There is a HUGE difference between Eli Manning and Tarvaris Jackson.
And Derek Anderson had one good season and has fallen off a great deal since....further he had a LOT more development time before being asked to start.

As for Jackson, he was a second year
starter that never should have been starting.
His first season was fairly unimpressive, and he began the second season in the same fashion.
As for the play calling, I am inclined to believe that the restrictions were more due to Jacksons inability to execute anything beyond the basics.
So, far from blaming play calling, I believe that Jackson was Jackson's own nemesis.

Bottom line, I'd rather take a chance with Booty next year than move on with another phase of the Tarvaris Jackson Development Debacle.


Caine


I'm sorry buddy but i don't agree with you.... Booty??... he reminds me of a cross between brad johnson and chad pennington... which isn't bad, but not great either....

and for you to say DA has fallen off since, i beg to disagree with you!!! have you seen him play??.. if you had, then you'd know that he'd still be starting if it wasn't for Braylon not being able to hold onto the ball.... Dude has like atleast 14 drops this year and about 5 of them were guaranteed TD's... look at the games they lost!.. They would be easily be 6-4 or maybe even 7-3 if Braylon could hold onto the ball...

Benching him was more political than anything, trying to see if Brady could cut it, since DA is due an approx. 6m roster bonus for next season....

ejmat
11-19-2008, 01:51 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:






Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.


i don't think he could be placed on the ps... but either way, he's more than a viable backup... Ppl said the same thing about derek anderson and eli manning before the light went on....

he was a 2nd year starter for goodness sake benched after the second game... with questionable playcalling
being most likely being his biggest nemesis....




There is a HUGE difference between Eli Manning and Tarvaris Jackson.
And Derek Anderson had one good season and has fallen off a great deal since....further he had a LOT more development time before being asked to start.

As for Jackson, he was a second year
starter that never should have been starting.
His first season was fairly unimpressive, and he began the second season in the same fashion.
As for the play calling, I am inclined to believe that the restrictions were more due to Jacksons inability to execute anything beyond the basics.
So, far from blaming play calling, I believe that Jackson was Jackson's own nemesis.

Bottom line, I'd rather take a chance with Booty next year than move on with another phase of the Tarvaris Jackson Development Debacle.


Caine


I'm sorry buddy but i don't agree with you.... Booty??... he reminds me of a cross between brad johnson and chad pennington... which isn't bad, but not great either....

and for you to say DA has fallen off since, i beg to disagree with you!!! have you seen him play??.. if you had, then you'd know that he'd still be starting if it wasn't for Braylon not being able to hold onto the ball.... Dude has like atleast 14 drops this year and about 5 of them were guaranteed TD's... look at the games they lost!.. They would be easily be 6-4 or maybe even 7-3 if Braylon could hold onto the ball...

Benching him was more political than anything, trying to see if Brady could cut it, since DA is due an approx. 6m roster bonus for next season....


A cross between BJ and CP is just what this team needs.
Someone that is accurate and can hit his WRs instead of throwing it at their feet or way off.
I would take CP anyday right now.

Caine
11-19-2008, 02:27 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.


i don't think he could be placed on the ps... but either way, he's more than a viable backup... Ppl said the same thing about derek anderson and eli manning before the light went on....

he was a 2nd year starter for goodness sake benched after the second game... with questionable playcalling
being most likely being his biggest nemesis....




There is a HUGE difference between Eli Manning and Tarvaris Jackson.
And Derek Anderson had one good season and has fallen off a great deal since....further he had a LOT more development time before being asked to start.

As for Jackson, he was a second year
starter that never should have been starting.
His first season was fairly unimpressive, and he began the second season in the same fashion.
As for the play calling, I am inclined to believe that the restrictions were more due to Jacksons inability to execute anything beyond the basics.
So, far from blaming play calling, I believe that Jackson was Jackson's own nemesis.

Bottom line, I'd rather take a chance with Booty next year than move on with another phase of the Tarvaris Jackson Development Debacle.


Caine


I'm sorry buddy but i don't agree with you.... Booty??... he reminds me of a cross between brad johnson and chad pennington... which isn't bad, but not great either....

and for you to say DA has fallen off since, i beg to disagree with you!!! have you seen him play??.. if you had, then you'd know that he'd still be starting if it wasn't for Braylon not being able to hold onto the ball.... Dude has like atleast 14 drops this year and about 5 of them were guaranteed TD's... look at the games they lost!.. They would be easily be 6-4 or maybe even 7-3 if Braylon could hold onto the ball...

Benching him was more political than anything, trying to see if Brady could cut it, since DA is due an approx. 6m roster bonus for next season....


A cross between BJ and CP is just what this team needs.
Someone that is accurate and can hit his WRs instead of throwing it at their feet or way off.
I would take CP anyday right now.


I agree.
Pennington would be a huge upgrade over what we currently have.


For bleedpurple:

As for Anderson, his stats aren't anywhere near as impressive as they were last season.
I will grant you that I do not watch the Cleveland games, and I DO understand that stats aren't the entire story, but his production decrease has to be more than Edwards dropping 14 passes.
His INTs and Sacks are up too.

That said, I'd still rather have Anderson than Frerotte or Jackson.

Booty I haven't really seen play.
I don't know where he is in development.
I've seen Jackson.
Booty can't be any worse.

Truthfully, I don't think McNabb is the answer....I think he'd be like Moon or Cunningham, a guy brought in to tide us over until we could find a true Franchise guy.
And since - if things go well - Chiller won't be here next year, maybe the new guy will have a better eye for QB's.

Caine

bleedpurple
11-19-2008, 02:51 PM
"Caine" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:










Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.


i don't think he could be placed on the ps... but either way, he's more than a viable backup... Ppl said the same thing about derek anderson and eli manning before the light went on....

he was a 2nd year starter for goodness sake benched after the second game... with questionable playcalling
being most likely being his biggest nemesis....




There is a HUGE difference between Eli Manning and Tarvaris Jackson.
And Derek Anderson had one good season and has fallen off a great deal since....further he had a LOT more development time before being asked to start.

As for Jackson, he was a second year
starter that never should have been starting.
His first season was fairly unimpressive, and he began the second season in the same fashion.
As for the play calling, I am inclined to believe that the restrictions were more due to Jacksons inability to execute anything beyond the basics.
So, far from blaming play calling, I believe that Jackson was Jackson's own nemesis.

Bottom line, I'd rather take a chance with Booty next year than move on with another phase of the Tarvaris Jackson Development Debacle.


Caine


I'm sorry buddy but i don't agree with you.... Booty??... he reminds me of a cross between brad johnson and chad pennington... which isn't bad, but not great either....

and for you to say DA has fallen off since, i beg to disagree with you!!! have you seen him play??.. if you had, then you'd know that he'd still be starting if it wasn't for Braylon not being able to hold onto the ball.... Dude has like atleast 14 drops this year and about 5 of them were guaranteed TD's... look at the games they lost!.. They would be easily be 6-4 or maybe even 7-3 if Braylon could hold onto the ball...

Benching him was more political than anything, trying to see if Brady could cut it, since DA is due an approx. 6m roster bonus for next season....


A cross between BJ and CP is just what this team needs.
Someone that is accurate and can hit his WRs instead of throwing it at their feet or way off.
I would take CP anyday right now.


I agree.
Pennington would be a huge upgrade over what we currently have.


For bleedpurple:

As for Anderson, his stats aren't anywhere near as impressive as they were last season.
I will grant you that I do not watch the Cleveland games, and I DO understand that stats aren't the entire story, but his production decrease has to be more than Edwards dropping 14 passes.
His INTs and Sacks are up too.

That said, I'd still rather have Anderson than Frerotte or Jackson.

Booty I haven't really seen play.
I don't know where he is in development.
I've seen Jackson.
Booty can't be any worse.

Truthfully, I don't think McNabb is the answer....I think he'd be like Moon or Cunningham, a guy brought in to tide us over until we could find a true Franchise guy.
And since - if things go well - Chiller won't be here next year, maybe the new guy will have a better eye for QB's.

Caine


obviously you didn't watch any preseason games either... if your saying playing booty over TJ couldn't be any worse.... he was downright awful and didn't even look like an NFL QB...

I think it's saying a lot when chilly had a hard time releasing bollinger in lieu of keeping booty as the 3rd QB...

ejmat
11-19-2008, 02:54 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:












Whya re we still talking about this. I would give m left nut for McNabb. I don't understand people complaining about McNabbs stats this season. He is playing in the toughest division in football right? While we need a refs help to beat the f*cking lions. He did it on a team with a WR situation similar to ours and did it great. He is one of the best QBs at reading a defense. He's mobile. He gets blamed for choking in the playoffs. I thought football was a team game? Heck we choke during the regular season so he is still an upgrade.

Sign Mcnabb
Cut Gus
Keep TJ as backup
Sign a top
3 QB in the draft.
Cut Booty and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. If we lose him we still have an upgrade to him at the rookie Qb position. Should McNabb get hurt, we have a QB that can step in and start in either TJ or the rookie. If not we have a QB situation similar to greenbay where we have our rookie sit for 2-3 years like.. Rodgers and Campbell, two qbs who were/are tearing up the league.


Just so you know ... Campbell didn't sit ... he was the starter by the tenth game of his rookie season.
I personally do not mind your plan there ... although drafting a top 3 QB in the draft does not seem likely ... I would think that Booty ends up being our No. 3.


I agree that Booty would be our #2/#3 and that Jackson would be the guy snuck on to the practice squad.
Honestly, I don't think too many (any) franchises would make a play for him.

Caine


Is TJ eligible to be placed on the practice squad?
I'm not sure about the rules there but I thought once you are active for a certain amount of games you can no longer be placed on the practice squad.
Let meknow.


i don't think he could be placed on the ps... but either way, he's more than a viable backup... Ppl said the same thing about derek anderson and eli manning before the light went on....

he was a 2nd year starter for goodness sake benched after the second game... with questionable playcalling
being most likely being his biggest nemesis....




There is a HUGE difference between Eli Manning and Tarvaris Jackson.
And Derek Anderson had one good season and has fallen off a great deal since....further he had a LOT more development time before being asked to start.

As for Jackson, he was a second year
starter that never should have been starting.
His first season was fairly unimpressive, and he began the second season in the same fashion.
As for the play calling, I am inclined to believe that the restrictions were more due to Jacksons inability to execute anything beyond the basics.
So, far from blaming play calling, I believe that Jackson was Jackson's own nemesis.

Bottom line, I'd rather take a chance with Booty next year than move on with another phase of the Tarvaris Jackson Development Debacle.


Caine


I'm sorry buddy but i don't agree with you.... Booty??... he reminds me of a cross between brad johnson and chad pennington... which isn't bad, but not great either....

and for you to say DA has fallen off since, i beg to disagree with you!!! have you seen him play??.. if you had, then you'd know that he'd still be starting if it wasn't for Braylon not being able to hold onto the ball.... Dude has like atleast 14 drops this year and about 5 of them were guaranteed TD's... look at the games they lost!.. They would be easily be 6-4 or maybe even 7-3 if Braylon could hold onto the ball...

Benching him was more political than anything, trying to see if Brady could cut it, since DA is due an approx. 6m roster bonus for next season....


A cross between BJ and CP is just what this team needs.
Someone that is accurate and can hit his WRs instead of throwing it at their feet or way off.
I would take CP anyday right now.


I agree.
Pennington would be a huge upgrade over what we currently have.


For bleedpurple:

As for Anderson, his stats aren't anywhere near as impressive as they were last season.
I will grant you that I do not watch the Cleveland games, and I DO understand that stats aren't the entire story, but his production decrease has to be more than Edwards dropping 14 passes.
His INTs and Sacks are up too.

That said, I'd still rather have Anderson than Frerotte or Jackson.

Booty I haven't really seen play.
I don't know where he is in development.
I've seen Jackson.
Booty can't be any worse.

Truthfully, I don't think McNabb is the answer....I think he'd be like Moon or Cunningham, a guy brought in to tide us over until we could find a true Franchise guy.
And since - if things go well - Chiller won't be here next year, maybe the new guy will have a better eye for QB's.

Caine


obviously you didn't watch any preseason games either... if your saying playing booty over TJ couldn't be any worse.... he was downright awful and didn't even look like an NFL QB...

I think it's saying a lot when chilly had a hard time releasing bollinger in lieu of keeping booty as the 3rd QB...


Though I agree Botty looked horrible in pre season you can't base a person's entire career on how he played for 3 - 4 quarters.
I'm not saying JDB will be good becasue I don't know.
If preseason counted then TJ would have been awesome.
You can never tell.

Chuck Taylor
11-19-2008, 03:15 PM
It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available

ejmat
11-19-2008, 03:20 PM
"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




I am still not sure what is so great about Cassell.

C Mac D
11-19-2008, 03:21 PM
"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.

Chuck Taylor
11-19-2008, 03:33 PM
"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense

C Mac D
11-19-2008, 03:59 PM
"Chuck" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense


In your opinion he's better than anything we have right now... however, I wonder what Cassel would look like if he was throwing to our receivers and not Moss and Welker.

V4L
11-19-2008, 04:03 PM
"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense


In your opinion he's better than anything we have right now... however, I wonder what Cassel would look like if he was throwing to our receivers and not Moss and Welker.



Probably good

They would key on AP and Cassell can hit his throws

And it's what his 11th start only? Many feel he will get even better

He isn't exactly lighting it up.. But he is playing some good football and could get even better

Chuck Taylor
11-19-2008, 04:27 PM
All I'm saying is Cassel is a better long-term solution than McNabb

SamOchoCinco
11-19-2008, 04:45 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense


In your opinion he's better than anything we have right now... however, I wonder what Cassel would look like if he was throwing to our receivers and not Moss and Welker.



Probably good

They would key on AP and Cassell can hit his throws

And it's what his 11th start only? Many feel he will get even better

He isn't exactly lighting it up.. But he is playing some good football and could get even better


i dont believe cassel will be as good as some people think he is.

he has randy moss throwing to him.

stick him against a team like pittsburg and cassell will not be as good

i_bleed_purple
11-19-2008, 05:17 PM
"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.



he's in a very similar situation that Romo was in.
Never played for his first few years, sat and learned, came in, was a little shaky the first few games, then really turned it up.
I'd rather take a chance on Cassell than wait for someone in the draft.

stateVIKE44
11-19-2008, 05:20 PM
"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


"C" wrote:




It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense


In your opinion he's better than anything we have right now... however, I wonder what Cassel would look like if he was throwing to our receivers and not Moss and Welker.



Probably good

They would key on AP and Cassell can hit his throws

And it's what his 11th start only? Many feel he will get even better

He isn't exactly lighting it up.. But he is playing some good football and could get even better


i dont believe cassel will be as good as some people think he is.

he has randy moss throwing to him.
stick him against a team like pittsburg and cassell will not be as good


Why didn't WE think about moving Moss to QB?!?!
;D

AKViking
11-19-2008, 09:26 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense


In your opinion he's better than anything we have right now... however, I wonder what Cassel would look like if he was throwing to our receivers and not Moss and Welker.



Probably good

They would key on AP and Cassell can hit his throws

And it's what his 11th start only? Many feel he will get even better

He isn't exactly lighting it up.. But he is playing some good football and could get even better


You mean like the deep plays he's missed ALL season? Like the wide open TD he should have gotten to Moss last week?
Yeah... he is decent, but way too early to say he's good enough to bring in as our starter.

V4L
11-20-2008, 01:47 AM
"AKViking" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


"C" wrote:




It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense


In your opinion he's better than anything we have right now... however, I wonder what Cassel would look like if he was throwing to our receivers and not Moss and Welker.



Probably good

They would key on AP and Cassell can hit his throws

And it's what his 11th start only? Many feel he will get even better

He isn't exactly lighting it up.. But he is playing some good football and could get even better


You mean like the deep plays he's missed ALL season? Like the wide open TD he should have gotten to Moss last week?

Yeah... he is decent, but way too early to say he's good enough to bring in as our starter.



He's a game manager plus a little more

Im not sold on him.. But it seems like he is well on his way to a good career

It's stupid that people keep saying he won't be good because he is only having success because of Moss

What about Ryan Fitzpatrick in Cincy

He has 2 great WRs and is still garbage

erik5032
11-20-2008, 03:25 AM
and to my recollection Casell hasn't even thrown to Moss that much. Welker is his main man.

Purple Floyd
11-20-2008, 07:09 AM
"AKViking" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


"C" wrote:




It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense


In your opinion he's better than anything we have right now... however, I wonder what Cassel would look like if he was throwing to our receivers and not Moss and Welker.



Probably good

They would key on AP and Cassell can hit his throws

And it's what his 11th start only? Many feel he will get even better

He isn't exactly lighting it up.. But he is playing some good football and could get even better


You mean like the deep plays he's missed ALL season? Like the wide open TD he should have gotten to Moss last week?
Yeah... he is decent, but way too early to say he's good enough to bring in as our starter.


I haven't been impressed with his ability to Moss either. His throws are not that accurate and I don't think he is going to save anybodies team.

SamOchoCinco
11-20-2008, 07:50 AM
"stateVIKE44" wrote:


"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:






It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




Why is everyone so Gung-Ho about Cassel?

All he's proven is that he can look moderately good at times while thowing to the best WR corps in the NFL.

That's it... nothing more, nothing less.


He is better than anything we got right now. He has showed he can get the ball to his receivers. If he can get the ball to our receivers they might catch a pass or two.
Coupled with a new head-coach and we might get what we all wish for next season........a balanced offense


In your opinion he's better than anything we have right now... however, I wonder what Cassel would look like if he was throwing to our receivers and not Moss and Welker.



Probably good

They would key on AP and Cassell can hit his throws

And it's what his 11th start only? Many feel he will get even better

He isn't exactly lighting it up.. But he is playing some good football and could get even better


i dont believe cassel will be as good as some people think he is.

he has randy moss throwing to him.
stick him against a team like pittsburg and cassell will not be as good


Why didn't WE think about moving Moss to QB?!?!
;D


haha wow i screwed up.

but you get the point

Mr Anderson
11-21-2008, 01:28 PM
Cassel has proven nothing.

Before this year he had only thrown 72 passes in game since high school, and that scares me. Although he doesn't look terrible, I just don't feel he has the experience to lead a team next season. Which is why I think we'd be better off just drafting a QB.

This season he's proven that he can't hit the best receiver in the NFL in stride, or on a deep route.

He's proven that he can take what the defense gives him... and sometimes can't even do that.

He turned the best team in the history of the NFL last season(I know they blew it in the Super Bowl, but that doesn't change what they did the other 18 weeks) to a mediocre one.


I'm not sold on Cassel.

marstc09
11-21-2008, 08:49 PM
"pack93z" wrote:


Are you serious... send his arse to the Bears.. they can live out the days under the man whom has no clue about overtime, looks old and slow and is soft as they come.

You can't be serious about McNabb in Minny..


This is coming from a guy whose team has had a QB for 16 years! Do you know how many we have had in that time? 10! To answer your question...... you damn right we are serious.

VikingsExpress
11-21-2008, 11:37 PM
If the Vikes can get him for a decent price.
No way would i pay him to come here and do the same thing he does in philly.
Anybody know testeverde's number?

hx38596
11-22-2008, 08:29 AM
Nobody thinks Vick might be a Viking next year?
What about that idea?
Imagine Vick and AD in the backfield via wildcat variant of an offense by newly hired Leach at off. coordinator.

ejmat
11-22-2008, 08:42 AM
"hx38596" wrote:


Nobody thinks Vick might be a Viking next year?
What about that idea?
Imagine Vick and AD in the backfield via wildcat variant of an offense by newly hired Leach at off. coordinator.




I am not a big Vick fan at all.
However the idea of him in the backfield in the wildcat offense may seem like a good idea.
The problem is that's about all he is good for.
I would pass on Vick.

kevoncox
11-22-2008, 08:56 AM
I don't understand people. There won't be a better QB available. Heck there are only 4 QBs better than this guy in the league. People who rather Dereck Anderson or Casell over McNabb = epic failure.

Purple Floyd
11-22-2008, 09:28 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


I don't understand people. There won't be a better QB available. Heck there are only 4 QBs better than this guy in the league. People who rather Dereck Anderson or Casell over McNabb = epic failure.


Agreed

MaxVike
11-22-2008, 09:53 AM
I live in Delaware.
Most of my friends are Eagles fans...
They, and the city want change...out with Reid, out with McNabb.


Their loss is a massive gain for the Vikes if we could find some way to get him.
He played college in a dome, he is a top 5 QB this year with basically very similar receivers to ours.
Berrian is actually a demonstrable step up from his choices with the Eagles.
DeSaun Jackson is a helluva rookie and, the Eagles have Curtis back, Reggie Brown is perpetually injured, Hank Baskett is ok but not spectacular...our receivers are just as good IMO.

There are good and bad things about McNabb.
One of them, which is disconcerting, is that he seems to have a nervous problem and locks up from time to time, when pressure mounts.
I've played in a couple of celebrity pro-am golf tournamants with current and former Eagles players, who have told me that he sometimes loses air and can't speak in the huddle...yikes.
But, the good, and considering the other options; securing McNabb is a no brainer; oh, did I just write that?
:-

ItalianStallion
11-22-2008, 03:43 PM
Vick is not accurate enough to be an NFL QB.
WE don't run a gimmick offense.
Wilf would be a complete hypocrite if Vick was brought in here.

Mr Anderson
11-22-2008, 04:10 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


I don't understand people. There won't be a better QB available. Heck there are only 4 QBs better than this guy in the league. People who rather Dereck Anderson or Casell over McNabb = epic failure.


You're right. People are crazy to want a young pocket quarterback with potential over player that's been in the league for 10 years and only played in every game in 3 of them, whose injuries have become increasingly severe, and his play has been clearly on the decline.

There is a reason they don't want him in Philly anymore.

And only 4 better than him?
Brady
Manning
Favre
Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Brees
Cutler
Romo
Warner
Rivers

kevoncox
11-22-2008, 08:10 PM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:


Vick is not accurate enough to be an NFL QB.
WE don't run a gimmick offense.
Wilf would be a complete hypocrite if Vick was brought in here.


I'll take him over TJ or Gus.

vikesfargo
11-22-2008, 09:46 PM
If Michael Vick is Vikings quarterback, I will take a break from cheering for the Vikings. Until he's gone.

V-Unit
11-23-2008, 01:59 AM
"MaxVike" wrote:


I live in Delaware.
Most of my friends are Eagles fans...
They, and the city want change...out with Reid, out with McNabb.


Their loss is a massive gain for the Vikes if we could find some way to get him.
He played college in a dome, he is a top 5 QB this year with basically very similar receivers to ours.
Berrian is actually a demonstrable step up from his choices with the Eagles.
DeSaun Jackson is a helluva rookie and, the Eagles have Curtis back, Reggie Brown is perpetually injured, Hank Baskett is ok but not spectacular...our receivers are just as good IMO.

There are good and bad things about McNabb.
One of them, which is disconcerting, is that he seems to have a nervous problem and locks up from time to time, when pressure mounts.
I've played in a couple of celebrity pro-am golf tournamants with current and former Eagles players, who have told me that he sometimes loses air and can't speak in the huddle...yikes.
But, the good, and considering the other options; securing McNabb is a no brainer; oh, did I just write that?
:-\


Where in DE? I rocked Hockessin for many childhood years.

If McNabb came to Minny, he would be given savior status. Another sink or swim scenario. If he sinks, he obtains Herschel Walker status. If he swims, the STATE is his. I, and the majority of Vikes fans, are willign to take that chance. We need a McNabb like signing. I'm done with the Wade/Shank/Berrian/Madieu/Tapeh/Leber-caliber signings of the Childress era.

Where those signings failures? HELL NO, but we need another superstar. A superstar to lead us to the promised land.

Will Wilf realize that? You can't fuck around in this league if you want a championship.

hx38596
11-23-2008, 08:17 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"ItalianStallion" wrote:


Vick is not accurate enough to be an NFL QB.
WE don't run a gimmick offense.
Wilf would be a complete hypocrite if Vick was brought in here.


I'll take him over TJ or Gus.


AYE!

jessejames09
11-23-2008, 08:29 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


I don't understand people. There won't be a better QB available. Heck there are only 4 QBs better than this guy in the league. People who rather Dereck Anderson or Casell over McNabb = epic failure.


Who wouldn't want a 30 something year old QB? From what I understand he's just about to hit his prime.

I would rather have Cassell or Anderson because I plan on enjoying vikings games for years to come. I'd rather watch someone take their lumps and become our QB of the future. Sure McNugget would mean we get 9 or 10 wins next year, but after the season we will be right back to where we've been, looking for the next has been to hand our starting role to.

Marrdro
11-23-2008, 09:22 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Unless they hire a real, experienced football GM I don't really think it will matter. If they do hire a quality GM who excels at evaluating talent i will defer to him.

Thats a quality post right there my friends.

Caine
11-23-2008, 09:30 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Unless they hire a real, experienced football GM I don't really think it will matter. If they do hire a quality GM who excels at evaluating talent i will defer to him.

Thats a quality post right there my friends.


But doesn't go far enough.

The GM needs to fire the tragic excuse of a Head Coach we currently have and find someone who can actually develop players and coach teams.


And, of course, that means the entire coaching crew is canned (I'm gonna MISS Bevell.....)

So, until ALL of that happens, we're pretty much screwed no matter who we get.

Caine

Marrdro
11-23-2008, 09:50 AM
OK, didn't read all the posts but I did read enough to get the jist of the discussion.......

With that said, the following is my quess as to what happens next year......

a. Chiller goes no where.
Hate to say it, however, he is still just a QB away from having a damn good team.
Mix in the obvious stupid mistakes (on and off the field) and I think he convinces the head shed to give him one more year.

b.
He has shown that he wants to not only grow a QB or two but he has also shown that he wants a vet.
Much to the chagrin of most on here, he hasn't had the luxury of getting a quality vet mostly because of the state of QB'ing in the NFL these days.

c.
There are a couple of QB's that will be available at the end of this year.
I started a thread on here last offseason along this lines, however, I am not gonna look it up.



1. McNabb.
At that time I wasn't to receptive to McNabb coming over but his play this year, although not Donavan of old, is pretty interesting.
The Iggles will propably making some huge changes this year which will probably be rebuilding centric so Donavan, who I think has at least 2 years left in him, will be available.

Key note, he might have always been the target/part of the big plan anyways.


2.
I wasn't overly excited about the thought of Lord Dickhead wearing purple.
Imagine that, my worst nightmare still might happen as I am not all to sure that he will want to remain with the Jets even though they seem to be coming around a bit more.


3.
Garcia is another option.
Although I don't like the way he is a bit injury prone and his age, like the first two, I think he would be a good bandaid for the staff as they try to grow a QB that can lead this team for years to come.
They don't have much in the way of youth on the bench so they could go ahead and give him a deal and keep him there, however, I think Jeff is looking for that last big payday and might become available as well.


4.
Warner.
I haven't been online much and a bit busy to watch the news, but I think he is trying to get a deal done in AZ. If that doesn't happen he might be available as well as they also have a huge amount of money tied up in a young QB that needs to see the field.

d.
As to our current crop of QB's.



1.
JDB is a project.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I anticipate that he intrigues the staff enough for him to warrant a roster spot regardless of what happens in the offseason.


2.
Gus.
He will be around if they don't bring in any other Vet.
If they do bring in another Vet Gus will be gone.
Even though he has some wins for us on his resume, he continues to demonstrate that he can't make the throws a WCO needs. His accuracy and anticipation of what the receivers are gonna do is horrendous and anything (including TJ) would be a upgrade at this point.


3.
TJ.
Sure, to the most casual fan, he appears to be a piece of shit and of no value.
To a coaching staff I think they see something else.





Pro's



a.
He has the arm to make every throw.



b.
He is very mobile.



c.
He has won games and shown that in the best of circumstances he can bring a team back.



d. He has the mental makeup to be a QB in this league.
Lord knows that if he didn't have that make
up, his time on this team would have broke him down.



e.
Unlike some of the first round busts of late he is a cheap asset at this time.




Con's


a.
He still has problems reading defenses.


b.
He seems to be hesitant to throw the ball into marginal coverage.
Probably the only negative from his time as a starter.



c.
Pocket awareness needs to get better.

Long story short, TJ won't go anywhere. All of his Cons can be coached out of him, if he is around the proper staff.
If nothing else, he is familiar enough with this scheme and has all the tools to be a quality number 2 for this team for years to come.

My ultimate guess is that, unlike us yutz fans, this staff has had a plan with respect to the QB piece of this team.
One of the older guys would be a good fit (even Lord Dickhead much to my chagrin) that could QB this team for at least 2 more years or so, allowing for a cat like TJ, JDB or another rookie to get a clue via the traditional path (ala Rodgers for the PUKERS) of grooming a QB.

ThorSPL
11-23-2008, 10:02 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


OK, didn't read all the posts but I did read enough to get the jist of the discussion.......

With that said, the following is my quess as to what happens next year......

a. Chiller goes no where.

Hate to say it, however, he is still just a QB away from having a damn good team.
Mix in the obvious stupid mistakes (on and off the field) and I think he convinces the head shed to give him one more year.

b.
He has shown that he wants to not only grow a QB or two but he has also shown that he wants a vet.

Much to the chagrin of most on here, he hasn't had the luxury of getting a quality vet mostly because of the state of QB'ing in the NFL these days.

c.
There are a couple of QB's that will be available at the end of this year.
I started a thread on here last offseason along this lines, however, I am not gonna look it up.




1. McNabb.
At that time I wasn't to receptive to McNabb coming over but his play this year, although not Donavan of old, is pretty interesting.
The Iggles will propably making some huge changes this year which will probably be rebuilding centric so Donavan, who I think has at least 2 years left in him, will be available.

Key note, he might have always been the target/part of the big plan anyways.



2.
I wasn't overly excited about the thought of Lord Dickhead wearing purple.
Imagine that, my worst nightmare still might happen as I am not all to sure that he will want to remain with the Jets even though they seem to be coming around a bit more.



3.
Garcia is another option.
Although I don't like the way he is a bit injury prone and his age, like the first two, I think he would be a good bandaid for the staff as they try to grow a QB that can lead this team for years to come.
They don't have much in the way of youth on the bench so they could go ahead and give him a deal and keep him there, however, I think Jeff is looking for that last big payday and might become available as well.



4.
Warner.
I haven't been online much and a bit busy to watch the news, but I think he is trying to get a deal done in AZ. If that doesn't happen he might be available as well as they also have a huge amount of money tied up in a young QB that needs to see the field.

d.
As to our current crop of QB's.




1.
JDB is a project.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I anticipate that he intrigues the staff enough for him to warrant a roster spot regardless of what happens in the offseason.



2.
Gus.
He will be around if they don't bring in any other Vet.
If they do bring in another Vet Gus will be gone.
Even though he has some wins for us on his resume, he continues to demonstrate that he can't make the throws a WCO needs. His accuracy and anticipation of what the receivers are gonna do is horrendous and anything (including TJ) would be a upgrade at this point.


3.
TJ.
Sure, to the most casual fan, he appears to be a piece of shit and of no value.
To a coaching staff I think they see something else.





Pro's



a.
He has the arm to make every throw.



b.
He is very mobile.



c.
He has won games and shown that in the best of circumstances he can bring a team back.



d. He has the mental makeup to be a QB in this league.
Lord knows that if he didn't have that make
up, his time on this team would have broke him down.



e.
Unlike some of the first round busts of late he is a cheap asset at this time.





Con's



a.
He still has problems reading defenses.



b.
He seems to be hesitant to throw the ball into marginal coverage.
Probably the only negative from his time as a starter.




c.
Pocket awareness needs to get better.

Long story short, TJ won't go anywhere. All of his Cons can be coached out of him, if he is around the proper staff.
If nothing else, he is familiar enough with this scheme and has all the tools to be a quality number 2 for this team for years to come.

My ultimate guess is that, unlike us yutz fans, this staff has had a plan with respect to the QB piece of this team.
One of the older guys would be a good fit (even Lord Dickhead much to my chagrin) that could QB this team for at least 2 more years or so, allowing for a cat like TJ, JDB or another rookie to get a clue via the traditional path (ala Rodgers for the PUKERS) of grooming a QB.


Excellent post.

Marrdro
11-23-2008, 10:05 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Unless they hire a real, experienced football GM I don't really think it will matter. If they do hire a quality GM who excels at evaluating talent i will defer to him.

Thats a quality post right there my friends.


But doesn't go far enough.

The GM needs to fire the tragic excuse of a Head Coach we currently have and find someone who can actually develop players and coach teams.


And, of course, that means the entire coaching crew is canned (I'm gonna MISS Bevell.....)

So, until ALL of that happens, we're pretty much screwed no matter who we get.

Caine

Alas my friend, I have to agree with you.
:'(

I don't think we will get the GM we all long for nor will we see the likes of the Chiller, Bevel, Frazier and Ferraro hit the unemployed lines this year.

kevoncox
11-23-2008, 11:09 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


OK, didn't read all the posts but I did read enough to get the jist of the discussion.......

With that said, the following is my quess as to what happens next year......

a. Chiller goes no where.

Hate to say it, however, he is still just a QB away from having a gol 'darnit good team.
Mix in the obvious stupid mistakes (on and off the field) and I think he convinces the head shed to give him one more year.



I hate to admit it but I have been saying this for sometime. Childress is going to be hear for another year. : (

"Marrdro" wrote:


b.
He has shown that he wants to not only grow a QB or two but he has also shown that he wants a vet.

Much to the chagrin of most on here, he hasn't had the luxury of getting a quality vet mostly because of the state of QB'ing in the NFL these days.


I disagree, there were plenty of Qbs available that were better than the crop we started this season with. Leftwich jumps out to me, Voleck is another. Our front office failed this team but looking for a couple of game managers even though we saw last season that that is not enough.
c.
There are a couple of QB's that will be available at the end of this year.
I started a thread on here last offseason along this lines, however, I am not gonna look it up.


"Marrdro" wrote:




1. McNabb.
At that time I wasn't to receptive to McNabb coming over but his play this year, although not Donavan of old, is pretty interesting.
The Iggles will propably making some huge changes this year which will probably be rebuilding centric so Donavan, who I think has at least 2 years left in him, will be available.

Key note, he might have always been the target/part of the big plan anyways.


I don't think McNabb has lost as much as everyone thinks. His best weapon has been hurt. He has no TE and his WR crop has been injuried or non-exsistant. Again everyone seems to bury this guy when his biggest issue has been injuries from taking hits from throwing the ball 40 times a game. We are not going to ask him to do that. With the type of back that AD can be, he will prolong Mac's career.

Also, I don't beleive McNabb has 2 years left.
He is 32 and I would wager he has 6 years left with atleast 3 left at an MVP caliber level. The guy carries his team and is as important to the Eagles as Westbrook.


"Marrdro" wrote:




2.
I wasn't overly excited about the thought of Lord Dickhead wearing purple.
Imagine that, my worst nightmare still might happen as I am not all to sure that he will want to remain with the Jets even though they seem to be coming around a bit more.


I'm glad you are warming up a bit to Farve. He would be a good fit here, except our WR seems to like to pop the ball into the air when thrown with a bit of Pep on it. Farve likes to put pep on his ball. He would be my second choice if we can't land McNabb.

"Marrdro" wrote:




3.
Garcia is another option.
Although I don't like the way he is a bit injury prone and his age, like the first two, I think he would be a good bandaid for the staff as they try to grow a QB that can lead this team for years to come.
They don't have much in the way of youth on the bench so they could go ahead and give him a deal and keep him there, however, I think Jeff is looking for that last big payday and might become available as well.


Garcia, is an alright fit. At this point in his career he is a better option than Gus but not much better. He wins games . However, he has 2 years left at max.

"Marrdro" wrote:




4.
Warner.
I haven't been online much and a bit busy to watch the news, but I think he is trying to get a deal done in AZ. If that doesn't happen he might be available as well as they also have a huge amount of money tied up in a young QB that needs to see the field.


Warner will be resigned. However, he is a bad fit for us. We lack the weapons he has and our line at times can be suspect to blocking the pass( Cook has been replaced so we'll see how it improves.)

d.
As to our current crop of QB's.




1.
JDB is a project.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I anticipate that he intrigues the staff enough for him to warrant a roster spot regardless of what happens in the offseason.




2.
Gus.
He will be around if they don't bring in any other Vet.
If they do bring in another Vet Gus will be gone.
Even though he has some wins for us on his resume, he continues to demonstrate that he can't make the throws a WCO needs. His accuracy and anticipation of what the receivers are gonna do is horrendous and anything (including TJ) would be a upgrade at this point.

"Marrdro" wrote:



3.
TJ.
Sure, to the most casual fan, he appears to be a piece of pooh and of no value.
To a coaching staff I think they see something else.





Pro's



a.
He has the arm to make every throw.



b.
He is very mobile.



c.
He has won games and shown that in the best of circumstances he can bring a team back.



d. He has the mental makeup to be a QB in this league.
Lord knows that if he didn't have that make
up, his time on this team would have broke him down.



e.
Unlike some of the first round busts of late he is a cheap asset at this time.





Con's



a.
He still has problems reading defenses.



b.
He seems to be hesitant to throw the ball into marginal coverage.
Probably the only negative from his time as a starter.




c.
Pocket awareness needs to get better.

Long story short, TJ won't go anywhere. All of his Cons can be coached out of him, if he is around the proper staff.
If nothing else, he is familiar enough with this scheme and has all the tools to be a quality number 2 for this team for years to come.

You forgot that he has little to no accuracy on the deep ball or most passes over 10 yards. I like the kid but without a methaphosis, i would rather he never plays QB for us again.

I would rather we:
Sign McNabb -
Cut TJ
Draft a top 5 QB in first round.
Cut Booty and try to get him on the PS.

That would give us a QB corp of Nabb, Gus and Top flight QB prospect.


"Marrdro" wrote:


My ultimate guess is that, unlike us yutz fans, this staff has had a plan with respect to the QB piece of this team.
One of the older guys would be a good fit (even Lord Dickhead much to my chagrin) that could QB this team for at least 2 more years or so, allowing for a cat like TJ, JDB or another rookie to get a clue via the traditional path (ala Rodgers for the PUKERS) of grooming a QB.


You give this staff too much credit.

Caine
11-23-2008, 11:18 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Unless they hire a real, experienced football GM I don't really think it will matter. If they do hire a quality GM who excels at evaluating talent i will defer to him.

Thats a quality post right there my friends.


But doesn't go far enough.

The GM needs to fire the tragic excuse of a Head Coach we currently have and find someone who can actually develop players and coach teams.


And, of course, that means the entire coaching crew is canned (I'm gonna MISS Bevell.....)

So, until ALL of that happens, we're pretty much screwed no matter who we get.

Caine

Alas my friend, I have to agree with you.

:'(

I don't think we will get the GM we all long for nor will we see the likes of the Chiller, Bevel, Frazier and Ferraro hit the unemployed lines this year.


I don't think we will either.
I think we'll see Chiller again unless we pretty much lose out this season.

However, your assessment of Jackson needs some work:

"Marrdro]Pro's<br" wrote:



But lacks the accuracy.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

But doesn't gauge his pocket well, which leads to either "happy feet" or a sack.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

In the BEST of circumstaqnces?
Well.....isn't that sort of a given?

As for bringing the teaqm back, I can't think of any come-from-behind victories he's pulled off.
He ALMOST did in Denver....until he fumbled.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

I'm not sure about this one either.
I think his "mental makeup" took a beating last season because he was started too soon and, as a result, he's shellshocked.
I can't think of too many other reasons he's riding the pine.
Chiller banked too much on him to casually toss him aside.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

Agreed.
He's cheap, that's why we keep him.


"Marrdro]Con's<br" wrote:
[quote]

Yup
-
crosses with "b" above as to why that isn't really as assett.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

I wouldn't say that was the ONLY negative...I'd say it is one of many.
And, truthfully, if his accuracy wasn't so poor, this wouldn't be an issue.

[quote author=Marrdro]

c.
Pocket awareness needs to get better.

Again, back to "b" above.
Showing, once again, that that has to be removed from the "pros" column.


Anyway, we agree on Chiller, but not on Jackson.
I wouldn't mind seeing both of them gone.

Caine

Marrdro
11-23-2008, 11:25 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


I hate to admit it but I have been saying this for sometime. Childress is going to be hear for another year. : (


Lets hope that when he goes, the rest of his coaching staff goes as well.


I disagree, there were plenty of Qbs available that were better than the crop we started this season with. Leftwich jumps out to me, Voleck is another. Our front office failed this team but looking for a couple of game managers even though we saw last season that that is not enough.

Seriously, Leftwich and his slow as windup....How does that fit into this scheme.
QB's in the WCO have to have a fast release.

I liked Billy and said so in the thread I mentioned.
Problem was he elected to stay were he was at.


I don't think McNabb has lost as much as everyone thinks. His best weapon has been hurt. He has no TE and his WR crop has been injuried or non-exsistant. Again everyone seems to bury this guy when his biggest issue has been injuries from taking hits from throwing the ball 40 times a game. We are not going to ask him to do that. With the type of back that AD can be, he will prolong Mac's career.

Agree, thats why I've changed my stance on this cat, even to the point were I have come to think he has been the big picture target for some time.


Also, I don't beleive McNabb has 2 years left.
He is 32 and I would wager he has 6 years left with atleast 3 left at an MVP caliber level. The guy carries his team and is as important to the Eagles as Westbrook.


One needs to look at more than just how old, but how many hits.
I think Donavans career has been significantly shortened because of all the hits my friend.


I'm glad you are warming up a bit to Farve. He would be a good fit here, except our WR seems to like to pop the ball into the air when thrown with a bit of Pep on it. Farve likes to put pep on his ball. He would be my second choice if we can't land McNabb.
Holy crap no.
I have in no way warmed up to him.
My stance has always been and will always be the same.
To many heartaches over the years from that cat for me to ever warm up to him my friend.
;D


Warner will be resigned. However, he is a bad fit for us. We lack the weapons he has and our line at times can be suspect to blocking the pass( Cook has been replaced so we'll see how it improves.)

Thats why I discounted him as an option when he was first signed by the Cards.
Seems he has a new life or something.


I would rather we:
Sign McNabb -
Cut TJ
Draft a top 5 QB in first round.
Cut Booty and try to get him on the PS.

That would give us a QB corp of Nabb, Gus and Top flight QB prospect.

a.
Sign a Vet (hopefully McNabb and not Lord Dickhead).
b.
Keep TJ as a backup/future.
Regardless of what most think of him, I still think he has the talent to be a damn good starter if he gets coached the right way and a damn nice backup.
c.
Keep JDB.
He, like TJ has potential but needs to be coached up the right way.
d.
Always draft a QB, regardless of who/what you have on the bench.
If this organization would have done this over the years and wouldn't have thought they would always have Pepp or be able to go out and get a vet, we wouldn't be in this mess right now.



You give this staff too much credit.
I do at times.
Its the optimist in me.
;D

Marrdro
11-23-2008, 11:31 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:
[quote]
Unless they hire a real, experienced football GM I don't really think it will matter. If they do hire a quality GM who excels at evaluating talent i will defer to him.

Thats a quality post right there my friends.


But doesn't go far enough.

The GM needs to fire the tragic excuse of a Head Coach we currently have and find someone who can actually develop players and coach teams.


And, of course, that means the entire coaching crew is canned (I'm gonna MISS Bevell.....)

So, until ALL of that happens, we're pretty much screwed no matter who we get.

Caine

Alas my friend, I have to agree with you.

:'(

I don't think we will get the GM we all long for nor will we see the likes of the Chiller, Bevel, Frazier and Ferraro hit the unemployed lines this year.


I don't think we will either.
I think we'll see Chiller again unless we pretty much lose out this season.

However, your assessment of Jackson needs some work:

"Marrdro]Pro's<br" wrote:



But lacks the accuracy.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

But doesn't gauge his pocket well, which leads to either "happy feet" or a sack.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

In the BEST of circumstaqnces?
Well.....isn't that sort of a given?

As for bringing the teaqm back, I can't think of any come-from-behind victories he's pulled off.
He ALMOST did in Denver....until he fumbled.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

I'm not sure about this one either.
I think his "mental makeup" took a beating last season because he was started too soon and, as a result, he's shellshocked.
I can't think of too many other reasons he's riding the pine.
Chiller banked too much on him to casually toss him aside.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

Agreed.
He's cheap, that's why we keep him.


"Marrdro]Con's<br" wrote:
[quote]

Yup
-
crosses with "b" above as to why that isn't really as assett.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

I wouldn't say that was the ONLY negative...I'd say it is one of many.
And, truthfully, if his accuracy wasn't so poor, this wouldn't be an issue.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

Again, back to "b" above.
Showing, once again, that that has to be removed from the "pros" column.


Anyway, we agree on Chiller, but not on Jackson.
I wouldn't mind seeing both of them gone.

Caine

Good stuff Caine, as always......

Gotta agree with most comments except maybe the accuracy thing.
Still say that if he could read defenses his anticipation would be better which would lead to better accuracy.

Lets not forget that the first 2 games this year our WR's were dinged and weren't getting off the line clean and sure weren't getting much separation.
Add that to a coaching staff that preached "Protect the ball" and you have a young kid who was hesistant to throw the ball.

Give him better OL play and some WR's who can get separation and he would/will be a viable option at QB even at this stage of his career.


Long story short, all the things you dislike about him I think can be coached out of him.
Problem is, I don't think this coaching staff (as much as I like(d) Coach Rogers) has a clue or the ability to fix him at this point.

kevoncox
11-23-2008, 11:31 AM
Tha gives you 4 Qbs Marr. That is some funny math.
Nabb, JDB, TJ, rook.

Also, I agree that Leftwich has a slower wind up. However, you can't tell me that he wouldn't be an improvement over Gus? I think sometimes people dive too deeply into mechanics. Sometimes a guy can simply just play and regardless of how he fits the scheme, he will be an assest to the team. Leftwich and his slow release would not have thrown the picks gus and his fast release have thrown in the past 3 games.

kevoncox
11-23-2008, 11:34 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:
[quote]
[quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=49101.msg866253#msg866253 date=1226964294]
Unless they hire a real, experienced football GM I don't really think it will matter. If they do hire a quality GM who excels at evaluating talent i will defer to him.

Thats a quality post right there my friends.


But doesn't go far enough.

The GM needs to fire the tragic excuse of a Head Coach we currently have and find someone who can actually develop players and coach teams.


And, of course, that means the entire coaching crew is canned (I'm gonna MISS Bevell.....)

So, until ALL of that happens, we're pretty much screwed no matter who we get.

Caine

Alas my friend, I have to agree with you.

:'(

I don't think we will get the GM we all long for nor will we see the likes of the Chiller, Bevel, Frazier and Ferraro hit the unemployed lines this year.


I don't think we will either.
I think we'll see Chiller again unless we pretty much lose out this season.

However, your assessment of Jackson needs some work:

"Marrdro]Pro's<br" wrote:



But lacks the accuracy.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:



But doesn't gauge his pocket well, which leads to either "happy feet" or a sack.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

In the BEST of circumstaqnces?
Well.....isn't that sort of a given?

As for bringing the teaqm back, I can't think of any come-from-behind victories he's pulled off.
He ALMOST did in Denver....until he fumbled.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

I'm not sure about this one either.
I think his "mental makeup" took a beating last season because he was started too soon and, as a result, he's shellshocked.
I can't think of too many other reasons he's riding the pine.
Chiller banked too much on him to casually toss him aside.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

Agreed.
He's cheap, that's why we keep him.


"Marrdro]Con's<br" wrote:
[quote]

Yup
-
crosses with "b" above as to why that isn't really as assett.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

I wouldn't say that was the ONLY negative...I'd say it is one of many.
And, truthfully, if his accuracy wasn't so poor, this wouldn't be an issue.

"Marrdro]
" wrote:
[quote]

Again, back to "b" above.
Showing, once again, that that has to be removed from the "pros" column.


Anyway, we agree on Chiller, but not on Jackson.
I wouldn't mind seeing both of them gone.

Caine

Good stuff Caine, as always......

Gotta agree with most comments except maybe the accuracy thing.
Still say that if he could read defenses his anticipation would be better which would lead to better accuracy.

Lets not forget that the first 2 games this year our WR's were dinged and weren't getting off the line clean and sure weren't getting much separation.
Add that to a coaching staff that preached "Protect the ball" and you have a young kid who was hesistant to throw the ball.

Give him better OL play and some WR's who can get separation and he would/will be a viable option at QB even at this stage of his career.


Long story short, all the things you dislike about him I think can be coached out of him.
Problem is, I don't think this coaching staff (as much as I like(d) Coach Rogers) has a clue or the ability to fix him at this point.


Marr, your love for this kid is blinding you to the fact that he throws the ball like a wet sponge. He simply isn't accurate. Balls behind, balls in the dirt, balls in the air.

vikesfargo
11-23-2008, 03:30 PM
McNabb - has a history of losing the big game. Got benched today at halftime by Andy Reid. We don't need another "almost season." We need a Super Bowl championship season. That's going to take a Super Bowl champion-level quarterback.

Cassell - not used to the West Coast Offense

Derek Anderson - not used to the West Coast Offense. Benched in favor of Brady Quinn, who is just not that good.

Bring Tarvaris, John David, Frerrotte, and two young quarterbacks to camp, and keep the best two of the young players plus the wiley veteran.

gregair13
11-23-2008, 03:34 PM
D. McNabb
8/18
59
0
2
G. Frerotte
12/20
120
0
1

Just something to think about. Gus won today, Mcnabb didn't play in the second half because he got benched.

i_bleed_purple
11-23-2008, 03:36 PM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


McNabb - has a history of losing the big game. Got benched today at halftime by Andy Reid. We don't need another "almost season." We need a Super Bowl championship season. That's going to take a Super Bowl champion-level quarterback.

Cassell - not used to the West Coast Offense

Derek Anderson - not used to the West Coast Offense. Benched in favor of Brady Quinn, who is just not that good.

Bring Tarvaris, John David, Frerrotte, and two young quarterbacks to camp, and keep the best two of the young players plus the wiley veteran.


and yo uthink two young quarterbacks, who also likely won't be used to the west coast offense will win now? McNabb is our best bet, he has experience with chilly.
We won't find a "sure winner" so we have to take the best we can get.

Purple Floyd
11-23-2008, 03:55 PM
After the performance McNabb put on in the last 2 games I can't understand anybody who would lobby to have that brought here.

Mr Anderson
11-23-2008, 03:58 PM
"gregair13" wrote:


D. McNabb

8/18
59
0
2
G. Frerotte

12/20
120
0
1

Just something to think about. Gus won today, Mcnabb didn't play in the second half because he got benched.


And that INT number easily could have been 4, he was lucky to only have 2... Ravens dropped one easy one, and one tough one.

DustinDupont
11-23-2008, 04:03 PM
"Mr" wrote:


"gregair13" wrote:


D. McNabb
8/18
59
0
2
G. Frerotte
12/20
120
0
1

Just something to think about. Gus won today, Mcnabb didn't play in the second half because he got benched.


And that INT number easily could have been 4, he was lucky to only have 2... Ravens dropped one easy one, and one tough one.


1 game doesnt make u... look at their careers... i would ten ties rather have mcnabb

huxx
11-23-2008, 04:18 PM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


McNabb - has a history of losing the big game. Got benched today at halftime by Andy Reid. We don't need another "almost season." We need a Super Bowl championship season. That's going to take a Super Bowl champion-level quarterback.

Cassell - not used to the West Coast Offense

Derek Anderson - not used to the West Coast Offense. Benched in favor of Brady Quinn, who is just not that good.

Bring Tarvaris, John David, Frerrotte, and two young quarterbacks to camp, and keep the best two of the young players plus the wiley veteran.


He won't need to be when Chilly's gone.

A vet with experience as a stud is better than a vet with experience being passed around the league.
Don't get me wrong, I think Gus is a great BACKUP, but we've got the makings of a great team.
Maybe a fresh start for McNabb would be best...then he could mentor our young guys.

vikesfargo
11-23-2008, 04:23 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"vikesfargo" wrote:


McNabb - has a history of losing the big game. Got benched today at halftime by Andy Reid. We don't need another "almost season." We need a Super Bowl championship season. That's going to take a Super Bowl champion-level quarterback.

Cassell - not used to the West Coast Offense

Derek Anderson - not used to the West Coast Offense. Benched in favor of Brady Quinn, who is just not that good.

Bring Tarvaris, John David, Frerrotte, and two young quarterbacks to camp, and keep the best two of the young players plus the wiley veteran.


and yo uthink two young quarterbacks, who also likely won't be used to the west coast offense will win now? McNabb is our best bet, he has experience with chilly.
We won't find a "sure winner" so we have to take the best we can get.


Nice point. I am about ready to concede.

PackSux!
11-23-2008, 04:27 PM
Cassel looked great once again.

McNabb looked terrible.

oaklandzoo24
11-23-2008, 04:31 PM
I still think McNabb would def. help out around here.
Not only is he still a good QB, but he is a leader...something our offense needs.
Why not keep McNabb as the "wiley ol' vet" instead of Gus if we can get him at the right price.
I think we should draft a QB and then sign whoever we can get at a fair price.
I am deadset against giving McNabb, Cassel, Anderson, or anyone that we could get a huge deal before seeing their ability in purple for a year or 2.

Purple Floyd
11-23-2008, 04:31 PM
Good video of today's performance on here.


http://www.nfl.com/players/donovanmcnabb/profile?id=MCN017517&campaign=Google_NFLPlayer_DonovanMcNabb

vikesfargo
11-23-2008, 04:52 PM
On that NFL video, the only mistake I can see that McNabb made was throwing into triple coverage. The other turnovers were on the o-line or the wide receiver.

We need more than just a quarterback. We need a #1 receiver. Maybe that's Berrian. I don't know.

Marrdro
11-23-2008, 06:00 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


Tha gives you 4 Qbs Marr. That is some funny math.
Nabb, JDB, TJ, rook.

Also, I agree that Leftwich has a slower wind up. However, you can't tell me that he wouldn't be an improvement over Gus? I think sometimes people dive too deeply into mechanics. Sometimes a guy can simply just play and regardless of how he fits the scheme, he will be an assest to the team. Leftwich and his slow release would not have thrown the picks gus and his fast release have thrown in the past 3 games.

Of course one would be gone by the time we got down to 53 men.
Silly me for not going the extra mile with my post and mentioning that.

;D

Tom2Bucs
11-23-2008, 06:42 PM
Agreed. Everyone needs to forget Cassel. He is'nt that good just a product of the system. McNabb would be nice because he is a playmaker and that's what we need. The ultimate would be for K. Warner to hit FA and we get'em then draft a QB we can groom for 2-3 yrs.

Purple Floyd
11-23-2008, 06:49 PM
"Tom2Bucs" wrote:


Agreed. Everyone needs to forget Cassel. He is'nt that good just a product of the system. McNabb would be nice because he is a playmaker and that's what we need. The ultimate would be for K. Warner to hit FA and we get'em then draft a QB we can groom for 2-3 yrs.


not that I am a big fan of Cassell, but if he can play that well in that system, then I would be open to bringing both him and the system here. The KAO is getting pretty old for me.

marstc09
11-23-2008, 11:15 PM
"gregair13" wrote:


D. McNabb

8/18
59
0
2
G. Frerotte

12/20
120
0
1

Just something to think about. Gus won today, Mcnabb didn't play in the second half because he got benched.


M. Cassel

30/43




415



3



1

Note: His has no true #1 RB

Randy Moss
11-23-2008, 11:28 PM
Well, it's start to look more and more likely that Mcnabb will be gone.
It would be amazing if we picked him up.

vikingivan
11-24-2008, 03:26 AM
"Randy" wrote:


Well, it's start to look more and more likely that Mcnabb will be gone.
It would be amazing if we picked him up.


There is know doubt in my mind that if Chilress is still the Vikings head coach next season that McNabb will be a Viking.
The just reported on ESPN that McNabb's cap number would be 10 million next season.
His days in Philly are over.

ejmat
11-24-2008, 05:55 AM
I am not very high on Cassell but I don't care what system you work in, throwing for more than 400 yards is hard to do never mind doing it 2 games in a row.

V-Unit
11-24-2008, 09:35 AM
I think the most important thing we need from the QB position that we don't have right now is deep ball accuracy.

Cassell has shown that skill.

We should have said yes to:
Brees
Garcia
Schaub
Pennington
Rosenfels
Favre

I'm sure there are more. Not saying they should be here, but an attempt would have been nice. Chilly's committement to TJ has been his biggest mistake.

I'm looking forward to an offseason that has a team will such few holes. A bid for a stellar QB and solid OL should be possible.

It will be interesting. Will Chiller keep his job, and if he does, will he finally pursue a marquis QB?

I think the ability to win with TJ last year and Frerotte this year proves that a good QB takes us very very far. I say yes to Cassell, yes to Quinn, yes to Anderson, and yes to McNabb.

keystonevike
11-24-2008, 11:58 AM
Da Bears may go after him, too. IMO they need a better option at QB also. He would have a better team around him in Minny, but Chicago IS his hometown, and that could factor into his thinking if da Bears actually do try to get him.

MN_SkolVikings_NC
11-24-2008, 01:40 PM
"V" wrote:


I think the most important thing we need from the QB position that we don't have right now is deep ball accuracy.

Cassell has shown that skill.

We should have said yes to:
Brees
Garcia
Schaub
Pennington
Rosenfels
Favre

I'm sure there are more. Not saying they should be here, but an attempt would have been nice. Chilly's committement to TJ has been his biggest mistake.

I'm looking forward to an offseason that has a team will such few holes. A bid for a stellar QB and solid OL should be possible.

It will be interesting. Will Chiller keep his job, and if he does, will he finally pursue a marquis QB?

I think the ability to win with TJ last year and Frerotte this year proves that a good QB takes us very very far. I say yes to Cassell, yes to Quinn, yes to Anderson, and yes to McNabb.


Be careful what you wish for.
I think Cassell might be a one year wonder, but we'll see.
As for your list, Favre and Rosenfels were never options for us.
GB was never going to let him play in the NFC or the AFC South (as the NFC North plays them this year).
NEVER.
They wanted to make sure that there was no way that Brett Farve stepped foot into Labeau in another teams colors this year no matter what.
And Houston was asking WAY too much for Rosenfels.
It was more of a "we don't want you to have him, but if you're dumb enough we want.... " offer.
Quinn isn't leaving Cleveland for quite some time.
Derek Anderson would be too expensive in a trade with the big contract they gave him, McNabb is past his prime and just another temporary plug in the hole.

I agree that we should have had a look at Garcia and maybe Pennington, but don't expect a marquie QB this offseason... won't happen.

PackSux!
11-24-2008, 04:53 PM
"Tom2Bucs" wrote:


Agreed. Everyone needs to forget Cassel. He is'nt that good just a product of the system. McNabb would be nice because he is a playmaker and that's what we need. The ultimate would be for K. Warner to hit FA and we get'em then draft a QB we can groom for 2-3 yrs.


So what you are saying is that Cassel is horseshit but he is great in the patriots system?
Same thing must be said about Brady then also?

I dont buy the system BS.

Cassel is young and could learn the system faster then any rookie we bring in.

SamOchoCinco
11-24-2008, 05:23 PM
"MN_SkolVikings_NC" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I think the most important thing we need from the QB position that we don't have right now is deep ball accuracy.

Cassell has shown that skill.

We should have said yes to:
Brees
Garcia
Schaub
Pennington
Rosenfels
Favre

I'm sure there are more. Not saying they should be here, but an attempt would have been nice. Chilly's committement to TJ has been his biggest mistake.

I'm looking forward to an offseason that has a team will such few holes. A bid for a stellar QB and solid OL should be possible.

It will be interesting. Will Chiller keep his job, and if he does, will he finally pursue a marquis QB?

I think the ability to win with TJ last year and Frerotte this year proves that a good QB takes us very very far. I say yes to Cassell, yes to Quinn, yes to Anderson, and yes to McNabb.


Be careful what you wish for.
I think Cassell might be a one year wonder, but we'll see.
As for your list, Favre and Rosenfels were never options for us.
GB was never going to let him play in the NFC or the AFC South (as the NFC North plays them this year).
NEVER.
They wanted to make sure that there was no way that Brett Farve stepped foot into Labeau in another teams colors this year no matter what.
And Houston was asking WAY too much for Rosenfels.
It was more of a "we don't want you to have him, but if you're dumb enough we want.... " offer.
Quinn isn't leaving Cleveland for quite some time.
Derek Anderson would be too expensive in a trade with the big contract they gave him, McNabb is past his prime and just another temporary plug in the hole.

I agree that we should have had a look at Garcia and maybe Pennington, but don't expect a marquie QB this offseason... won't happen.


that would be sooo great to get pennington! i dont agree with the garcia thing though. he may retire or the bucs wont let him go.

but i believe we could get derek anderson from free agency.

they will have to cut him loose if no team trades for him. and then we go and sign him to maybe about 1-2 million less than what he going to earn each season.

snowinapril
11-24-2008, 05:57 PM
The Browns are a pathetic team, JMHO!
Was DA a fluke last year or is he just on a team that is so pathetic that he can't succeed or duplicate his efforts from last year.

He has not had the support in the form of his star TE and star WR.
They have been distractions by being mouthy and dropping passes.

I think this thread is about McNabb so I will discuss him from here on out.

I would take McNabb in a heart beat.
There have been other QBs that aren't as good as him that have lead teams to Super Bowl wins in recent years, Dilfer comes to mind.
Anyway, it looks like the Eagles have made up their minds to try the young guy to see if he is going to cut the mustard.
I am not convinced that this is the end of McNabb in Philly.


If we had McNabb this season, we would be better off than we are now.
We have a run game that would allow him to work the ball up the field plus he knows our system better than any QB on our team.


Favre proved to me that quality vet (with talent) can make a difference on even a average team.

ItalianStallion
11-24-2008, 08:17 PM
"PackSux!" wrote:


"Tom2Bucs" wrote:


Agreed. Everyone needs to forget Cassel. He is'nt that good just a product of the system. McNabb would be nice because he is a playmaker and that's what we need. The ultimate would be for K. Warner to hit FA and we get'em then draft a QB we can groom for 2-3 yrs.


So what you are saying is that Cassel is poopy but he is great in the patriots system?
Same thing must be said about Brady then also?

I dont buy the system BS.

Cassel is young and could learn the system faster then any rookie we bring in.


Cassel hasn't shown anything other than he is capable of a couple big games passing with Welker and Moss to throw to.

Brady won superbowls and had success with garbage receivers.

Purple Floyd
11-24-2008, 08:50 PM
the formula-

Any of the listed QB's + the KAO + our coaching staff = 0

V-Unit
11-24-2008, 09:04 PM
"MN_SkolVikings_NC" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I think the most important thing we need from the QB position that we don't have right now is deep ball accuracy.

Cassell has shown that skill.

We should have said yes to:
Brees
Garcia
Schaub
Pennington
Rosenfels
Favre

I'm sure there are more. Not saying they should be here, but an attempt would have been nice. Chilly's committement to TJ has been his biggest mistake.

I'm looking forward to an offseason that has a team will such few holes. A bid for a stellar QB and solid OL should be possible.

It will be interesting. Will Chiller keep his job, and if he does, will he finally pursue a marquis QB?

I think the ability to win with TJ last year and Frerotte this year proves that a good QB takes us very very far. I say yes to Cassell, yes to Quinn, yes to Anderson, and yes to McNabb.


Be careful what you wish for.
I think Cassell might be a one year wonder, but we'll see.
As for your list, Favre and Rosenfels were never options for us.
GB was never going to let him play in the NFC or the AFC South (as the NFC North plays them this year).
NEVER.
They wanted to make sure that there was no way that Brett Farve stepped foot into Labeau in another teams colors this year no matter what.
And Houston was asking WAY too much for Rosenfels.
It was more of a "we don't want you to have him, but if you're dumb enough we want.... " offer.
Quinn isn't leaving Cleveland for quite some time.
Derek Anderson would be too expensive in a trade with the big contract they gave him, McNabb is past his prime and just another temporary plug in the hole.

I agree that we should have had a look at Garcia and maybe Pennington, but don't expect a marquie QB this offseason... won't happen.


I'm not here to bitch and moan about past mistakes. Just saying that in hindsight; they definitely were mistakes. Also, I agree a few of those guys were not signable.

The point of the post was really a case for McNabb,Anderson, and Cassell. Forn the past 3 years we have said no to average QBs, and there are plenty who don't want a McNabb, primarily because they are being picky. Look at where that attitude has gotten us. Sure, the ideal is a low round draft pick who turns out to be a stud, but the more realistic option is to get a vet past his prime, or a guy who isn't very proven. Either will be leaps and bounds ahead of what we have now.

Caine
11-24-2008, 09:06 PM
"V" wrote:


"MN_SkolVikings_NC" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I think the most important thing we need from the QB position that we don't have right now is deep ball accuracy.

Cassell has shown that skill.

We should have said yes to:
Brees
Garcia
Schaub
Pennington
Rosenfels
Favre

I'm sure there are more. Not saying they should be here, but an attempt would have been nice. Chilly's committement to TJ has been his biggest mistake.

I'm looking forward to an offseason that has a team will such few holes. A bid for a stellar QB and solid OL should be possible.

It will be interesting. Will Chiller keep his job, and if he does, will he finally pursue a marquis QB?

I think the ability to win with TJ last year and Frerotte this year proves that a good QB takes us very very far. I say yes to Cassell, yes to Quinn, yes to Anderson, and yes to McNabb.


Be careful what you wish for.
I think Cassell might be a one year wonder, but we'll see.
As for your list, Favre and Rosenfels were never options for us.
GB was never going to let him play in the NFC or the AFC South (as the NFC North plays them this year).
NEVER.
They wanted to make sure that there was no way that Brett Farve stepped foot into Labeau in another teams colors this year no matter what.
And Houston was asking WAY too much for Rosenfels.
It was more of a "we don't want you to have him, but if you're dumb enough we want.... " offer.
Quinn isn't leaving Cleveland for quite some time.
Derek Anderson would be too expensive in a trade with the big contract they gave him, McNabb is past his prime and just another temporary plug in the hole.

I agree that we should have had a look at Garcia and maybe Pennington, but don't expect a marquie QB this offseason... won't happen.


I'm not here to beeyatch and moan about past mistakes. Just saying that in hindsight; they definitely were mistakes. Also, I agree a few of those guys were not signable.

The point of the post was really a case for McNabb,Anderson, and Cassell. Forn the past 3 years we have said no to average QBs, and there are plenty who don't want a McNabb, primarily because they are being picky. Look at where that attitude has gotten us. Sure, the ideal is a low round draft pick who turns out to be a stud, but the more realistic option is to get a vet past his prime, or a guy who isn't very proven. Either will be leaps and bounds ahead of what we have now.


...and either will give us TIME to develop the younger QB's so they aren't completely lost when it's their turn to play.

Caine

PackSux!
11-24-2008, 09:20 PM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"PackSux!" wrote:


"Tom2Bucs" wrote:


Agreed. Everyone needs to forget Cassel. He is'nt that good just a product of the system. McNabb would be nice because he is a playmaker and that's what we need. The ultimate would be for K. Warner to hit FA and we get'em then draft a QB we can groom for 2-3 yrs.


So what you are saying is that Cassel is poopy but he is great in the patriots system?
Same thing must be said about Brady then also?

I dont buy the system BS.

Cassel is young and could learn the system faster then any rookie we bring in.


Cassel hasn't shown anything other than he is capable of a couple big games passing with Welker and Moss to throw to.

Brady won superbowls and had success with garbage receivers.


I would believe ya if Matt Cassel's stats wernt so good.

Whats his record btw?

I also wouldnt call brady's reciever garbage, they were damn good players.

Moss will always make quarterbacks look good as long as he is not playing for Al Davis.
Welker's success feeds off of randy moss, Welker is not a true number one reciever that defenses fear.

kevoncox
11-24-2008, 09:25 PM
"PackSux!" wrote:


"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"PackSux!" wrote:


"Tom2Bucs" wrote:


Agreed. Everyone needs to forget Cassel. He is'nt that good just a product of the system. McNabb would be nice because he is a playmaker and that's what we need. The ultimate would be for K. Warner to hit FA and we get'em then draft a QB we can groom for 2-3 yrs.


So what you are saying is that Cassel is poopy but he is great in the patriots system?
Same thing must be said about Brady then also?

I dont buy the system BS.

Cassel is young and could learn the system faster then any rookie we bring in.


Cassel hasn't shown anything other than he is capable of a couple big games passing with Welker and Moss to throw to.

Brady won superbowls and had success with garbage receivers.


I would believe ya if Matt Cassel's stats wernt so good.

Whats his record btw?

I also wouldnt call brady's reciever garbage, they were gol 'darnit good players.

Moss will always make quarterbacks look good as long as he is not playing for Al Davis.
Welker's success feeds off of randy moss, Welker is not a true number one reciever that defenses fear.


The difference is McNabb has looked good with a sup par WR corps like our own. Cassell and Anderson have not. I wnt proven...not someone that it trying to prove a thing....4 consecative Confrence finals is no joke....I'll have a mcnabb please.

Mr Anderson
11-24-2008, 09:35 PM
I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.

patistheman
11-24-2008, 09:36 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"PackSux!" wrote:


"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"PackSux!" wrote:


"Tom2Bucs" wrote:


Agreed. Everyone needs to forget Cassel. He is'nt that good just a product of the system. McNabb would be nice because he is a playmaker and that's what we need. The ultimate would be for K. Warner to hit FA and we get'em then draft a QB we can groom for 2-3 yrs.


So what you are saying is that Cassel is poopy but he is great in the patriots system?
Same thing must be said about Brady then also?

I dont buy the system BS.

Cassel is young and could learn the system faster then any rookie we bring in.


Cassel hasn't shown anything other than he is capable of a couple big games passing with Welker and Moss to throw to.

Brady won superbowls and had success with garbage receivers.


I would believe ya if Matt Cassel's stats wernt so good.

Whats his record btw?

I also wouldnt call brady's reciever garbage, they were gol 'darnit good players.

Moss will always make quarterbacks look good as long as he is not playing for Al Davis.
Welker's success feeds off of randy moss, Welker is not a true number one reciever that defenses fear.


The difference is McNabb has looked good with a sup par WR corps like our own. Cassell and Anderson have not. I wnt proven...not someone that it trying to prove a thing....4 consecative Confrence finals is no joke....I'll have a mcnabb please.


McNabb also is familiar with Childress already, which is a big plus.
I would hope that there would be little to no learning curve for McNabb to learn the offense.
It would also be interesting to see how good he would be with a strong running game behind him and an offense that does not solely rely on his arm.

However I would be happy with either of those three QBs because they would be a big upgrade over what we have.

kevoncox
11-24-2008, 10:10 PM
"Mr" wrote:


I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.


The problem with the KAO is the lack of audibles. You have to let your Qb make changes at the line. I fear that is why we see so many run plays that look broken before they start. What kind of offense cannot audible.....waint one that cannot complete a screen play
:'(.

huxx
11-24-2008, 10:28 PM
"Mr" wrote:


I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.


I've gotta agree, but that's why we need someone who'll understand his schemes (somewhat).

CCthebest
11-24-2008, 10:37 PM
McNabb has a few left in him. I bet he wants a TON of cash though. Plus if he saw all the hits Gus took yesterday he may not be real excited to come here.

Id love to have Cassel, esp if Dickless is gone. Cassel is young and will make mistakes but hes had a solid year so far.

V-Unit
11-24-2008, 10:43 PM
"Mr" wrote:


I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.


Based on what? The fact that Brad Johnson. Brooks Bollinger, Tavaris Jackson, Kelly Holcomb, and Gus Frerotte have been inconsistent?

What a silly conclusion to draw.

Webby
11-24-2008, 11:39 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:


McNabb has a few left in him. I bet he wants a TON of cash though. Plus if he saw all the hits Gus took yesterday he may not be real excited to come here.

Id love to have Cassel, esp if Dickless is gone. Cassel is young and will make mistakes but hes had a solid year so far.


True, but he plays in the NE offense.
Moss, etc, good system.
I don't have faith many will succeed in this system here.
Its more about that then the QB itself sometimes.

V4L
11-24-2008, 11:55 PM
"V" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.


Based on what? The fact that Brad Johnson. Brooks Bollinger, Tavaris Jackson, Kelly Holcomb, and Gus Frerotte have been inconsistent?

What a silly conclusion to draw.



LOL

Time after time you are a huge slap in the face of reality

SKOL
11-25-2008, 12:52 AM
I'd take McNabb anyday over Scott Mitchell, er Matt Cassel.

tybrones87
11-25-2008, 02:40 AM
"V" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.


Based on what? The fact that Brad Johnson. Brooks Bollinger, Tavaris Jackson, Kelly Holcomb, and Gus Frerotte have been inconsistent?

What a silly conclusion to draw.


I gotta agree. Lets look at the Cowboys
while Romo was hurt. They played Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger. I watched a couple of their games and, with those guys under center they looked suspiciously like the Vikings did. Romo comes back in, and plays well and the Dallas offense looks really dangerous again.

ejmat
11-25-2008, 06:25 AM
"Mr" wrote:


I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.


Don't you think that players execution is a part of it?
All the time I hear Childress sucks.
Our offense sucks becasue of Childress.
All I know is they have consistently done better every week up until last week.
The players' execution / performance are a big part of why they haven't been more successful.
Childress doesn't fumble, false start, hold and make the blunders.

People need to stop blaming Childress for things none of us really know.
All we can do is assume and you know what that does to all of us.
It makes an ASS out of U and ME.
LOL, just my form of a stupid joke.
But in all seriousness the players are the ones that need to step up.
Childress has done a good job at mixing in plays but people want to bitch when he does that.
For example, passing on the 2 yard line.
Wouldn't you consider that bland if you always ran the ball?
The screw up there wasn't Childress it was Gus for not getting rid of the ball.

purpledoom
11-25-2008, 07:34 AM
It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Marrdro
11-25-2008, 10:26 AM
"purpledoom" wrote:


It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.

Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.

V-Unit
11-25-2008, 10:38 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"purpledoom" wrote:


It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.

Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.


Oh please.

If Chiller wants McNabb, they will consider signing him. If he doesn't they won't. In other words, there is no way McNabb comes to Minny if Chilly doesn't want him here.

So, he is a major-part of the decision-making process. Our front office is built to try to get the players that the coach desires, and avoid the ones that he doesn't.

ejmat
11-25-2008, 10:39 AM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"purpledoom" wrote:


It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.

Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.


Oh please.

If Chiller wants McNabb, they will consider signing him. If he doesn't they won't. In other words, there is no way McNabb comes to Minny if Chilly doesn't want him here.

So, he is a major-part of the decision-making process. Our front office is built to try to get the players that the coach desires, and avoid the ones that he doesn't.


Amy be true V but what Marrdro is saying is the process they go through.
Some of it may be a formality but none-the-less he is correct.

Marrdro
11-25-2008, 10:41 AM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"purpledoom" wrote:


It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.

Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.


Oh please.

If Chiller wants McNabb, they will consider signing him. If he doesn't they won't. In other words, there is no way McNabb comes to Minny if Chilly doesn't want him here.

So, he is a major-part of the decision-making process. Our front office is built to try to get the players that the coach desires, and avoid the ones that he doesn't.

Oh please, were in the hell did I say he wasn't a part of the decision?

V-Unit
11-25-2008, 10:47 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"purpledoom" wrote:


It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.
Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.


Oh please.

If Chiller wants McNabb, they will consider signing him. If he doesn't they won't. In other words, there is no way McNabb comes to Minny if Chilly doesn't want him here.

So, he is a major-part of the decision-making process. Our front office is built to try to get the players that the coach desires, and avoid the ones that he doesn't.

Oh please, were in the hell did I say he wasn't a part of the decision?


You said that the decision won't be his to make. That is false. It is his decision to make. I understand the process and all that FO stuff, but the bottomline is the process starts with him.

The process just means that a signing is not guaranteed if Chilly wants him, like Rosenfels, or Graham. If we don't pursue McNabb at all, it'll be because Chilly doesn't really want him. That goes for all the good QBs that we showed zero interest in.

jmcdon00
11-25-2008, 10:56 AM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"purpledoom" wrote:


It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.
Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.


Oh please.

If Chiller wants McNabb, they will consider signing him. If he doesn't they won't. In other words, there is no way McNabb comes to Minny if Chilly doesn't want him here.

So, he is a major-part of the decision-making process. Our front office is built to try to get the players that the coach desires, and avoid the ones that he doesn't.

Oh please, were in the hell did I say he wasn't a part of the decision?


You said that the decision won't be his to make. That is false. It is his decision to make. I understand the process and all that FO stuff, but the bottomline is the process starts with him.

The process just means that a signing is not guaranteed if Chilly wants him, like Rosenfels, or Graham. If we don't pursue McNabb at all, it'll be because Chilly doesn't really want him. That goes for all the good QBs that we showed zero interest in.

I'm gonna have to go with Marrdro on this one. Spielman is a well paid proffessional, they are not paying him just to be Chilly's "Yes" man.
Of course whenever I say Chilly I mean "the coaching staff and all front office people". I don't have time to figure out exactly who does what or makes what decision, nor do I really care.

Marrdro
11-25-2008, 11:00 AM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"purpledoom" wrote:


It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.
Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.


Oh please.

If Chiller wants McNabb, they will consider signing him. If he doesn't they won't. In other words, there is no way McNabb comes to Minny if Chilly doesn't want him here.

So, he is a major-part of the decision-making process. Our front office is built to try to get the players that the coach desires, and avoid the ones that he doesn't.

Oh please, were in the hell did I say he wasn't a part of the decision?


You said that the decision won't be his to make. That is false. It is his decision to make. I understand the process and all that FO stuff, but the bottomline is the process starts with him.

The process just means that a signing is not guaranteed if Chilly wants him, like Rosenfels, or Graham. If we don't pursue McNabb at all, it'll be because Chilly doesn't really want him. That goes for all the good QBs that we showed zero interest in.

I also said this.....


The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend

My guess is the Coaching staff will present the "For" side and the Bean counters and medical staff might be the "Against" side.

tastywaves
11-25-2008, 11:02 AM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"purpledoom" wrote:


It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.
Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.


Oh please.

If Chiller wants McNabb, they will consider signing him. If he doesn't they won't. In other words, there is no way McNabb comes to Minny if Chilly doesn't want him here.

So, he is a major-part of the decision-making process. Our front office is built to try to get the players that the coach desires, and avoid the ones that he doesn't.

Oh please, were in the hell did I say he wasn't a part of the decision?


You said that the decision won't be his to make. That is false. It is his decision to make. I understand the process and all that FO stuff, but the bottomline is the process starts with him.

The process just means that a signing is not guaranteed if Chilly wants him, like Rosenfels, or Graham. If we don't pursue McNabb at all, it'll be because Chilly doesn't really want him. That goes for all the good QBs that we showed zero interest in.


How much of an impact do you think this guy would make here in MN, assuming something could be worked out to get him.

Personally, he intrigues me.
He's obviously has a lot of talent and has done a lot of impressive things in his 10 year career.
He's also had his share of bad games and has a bit of a choker label on him.
No doubt this guy is a serious upgrade over our current situation.
With the small pool of QB talent to choose from in any given year, getting a proven commodity that could come in and start immediately is extremely valuable.
He also should have a fair amount of mileage left in him.

Whether its McNabb or someone else, this has to be the highest priority going into next season.

Marrdro
11-25-2008, 11:06 AM
"tastywaves" wrote:


How much of an impact do you think this guy would make here in MN, assuming something could be worked out to get him.

Personally, he intrigues me.
He's obviously has a lot of talent and has done a lot of impressive things in his 10 year career.
He's also had his share of bad games and has a bit of a choker label on him.
No doubt this guy is a serious upgrade over our current situation.
With the small pool of QB talent to choose from in any given year, getting a proven commodity that could come in and start immediately is extremely valuable.
He also should have a fair amount of mileage left in him.

Whether its McNabb or someone else, this has to be the highest priority going into next season.

I think he would have a huge impact (that is a change from my stance early in the offseason) and would do very well in our scheme based on the current crop of players we have right now.

He wouldn't be forced to be as one dimensional as he is in Philly and his mobility (even though it is a bit limited from the wear and tear) would help out our OLmen a bit I think.

He does still struggle with accuracy issues, however, again, how far does he have to throw it with this team.
Look what Lord Dickhead did this weekend dumping it off to his backs and recievers.
Most of them were well withing the 7-8 yard range.

tastywaves
11-25-2008, 11:17 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


How much of an impact do you think this guy would make here in MN, assuming something could be worked out to get him.

Personally, he intrigues me.
He's obviously has a lot of talent and has done a lot of impressive things in his 10 year career.
He's also had his share of bad games and has a bit of a choker label on him.
No doubt this guy is a serious upgrade over our current situation.
With the small pool of QB talent to choose from in any given year, getting a proven commodity that could come in and start immediately is extremely valuable.
He also should have a fair amount of mileage left in him.

Whether its McNabb or someone else, this has to be the highest priority going into next season.

I think he would have a huge impact (that is a change from my stance early in the offseason) and would do very well in our scheme based on the current crop of players we have right now.

He wouldn't be forced to be as one dimensional as he is in Philly and his mobility (even though it is a bit limited from the wear and tear) would help out our OLmen a bit I think.

He does still struggle with accuracy issues, however, again, how far does he have to throw it with this team.
Look what Lord Dickhead did this weekend dumping it off to his backs and recievers.
Most of them were well withing the 7-8 yard range.


Yea, the intangible he has can't be overlooked and the role he would be asked to play should help play to his strengths.

Mr Anderson
11-25-2008, 11:27 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.


Don't you think that players execution is a part of it?
All the time I hear Childress sucks.
Our offense sucks becasue of Childress.
All I know is they have consistently done better every week up until last week.
The players' execution / performance are a big part of why they haven't been more successful.
Childress doesn't fumble, false start, hold and make the blunders.

People need to stop blaming Childress for things none of us really know.
All we can do is assume and you know what that does to all of us.
It makes an ASS out of U and ME.
LOL, just my form of a stupid joke.
But in all seriousness the players are the ones that need to step up.
Childress has done a good job at mixing in plays but people want to bitch when he does that.
For example, passing on the 2 yard line.
Wouldn't you consider that bland if you always ran the ball?
The screw up there wasn't Childress it was Gus for not getting rid of the ball.

If you want to talk about assuming. I assume it would be easier to predict whether it's one man in charge screwing up, or 5 underneath him screwing up(5 in less than 3 years might I add, that's Chicago-like at QB)

ejmat
11-25-2008, 11:45 AM
"Mr" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


I've been arguing against McNabb, but I'm wrong.

No QB will ever consistently execute Childress' offense aka "The KAO." Not Joe Montana, not John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, no one.

It doesn't matter who we bring in, we will always be a mediocre offense with Childress at the helm, or at least at the reigns of the offense.


Don't you think that players execution is a part of it?
All the time I hear Childress sucks.
Our offense sucks becasue of Childress.
All I know is they have consistently done better every week up until last week.
The players' execution / performance are a big part of why they haven't been more successful.
Childress doesn't fumble, false start, hold and make the blunders.

People need to stop blaming Childress for things none of us really know.
All we can do is assume and you know what that does to all of us.
It makes an ASS out of U and ME.
LOL, just my form of a stupid joke.
But in all seriousness the players are the ones that need to step up.
Childress has done a good job at mixing in plays but people want to bitch when he does that.
For example, passing on the 2 yard line.
Wouldn't you consider that bland if you always ran the ball?
The screw up there wasn't Childress it was Gus for not getting rid of the ball.

If you want to talk about assuming. I assume it would be easier to predict whether it's one man in charge screwing up, or 5 underneath him screwing up(5 in less than 3 years might I add, that's Chicago-like at QB)


I personally don't know the entire story on who to blame for the QB situation.
I would ASS-U-ME it's Chilly but then again I don't know the whole story.
Either way we are in bad shape in that position.

V-Unit
11-25-2008, 12:17 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




It's beginning to look like Mcnabb truly will be done in Philly this year. I would think Childress would go after him. I would also think Mcnabb would have something to prove next year. Could be a very good thing. Cassell gets more and more believeable every weekend, but can he be as good in a Minnesota offense. Long term if Cassell is as good as he looks right now I
would want him. But it's all a big roll of the dice ain't it.

Funny thing is, even if the Chiller is still the HC next year, the decision won't be his to make.
Regardless of what us yutz fans think, other things come into play here such as CAP considerations, impact of Draft Picks given up, other QB's that might or might not be available, status of the team etc etc etc.

The VP of player personnel (Spielman) will sit down with the entire staff and will hear all sides of the aruguements both for and against.
Then and only then will Spielman (not the Chiller) pursue a solution for us at QB my friend.


Oh please.

If Chiller wants McNabb, they will consider signing him. If he doesn't they won't. In other words, there is no way McNabb comes to Minny if Chilly doesn't want him here.

So, he is a major-part of the decision-making process. Our front office is built to try to get the players that the coach desires, and avoid the ones that he doesn't.

Oh please, were in the hell did I say he wasn't a part of the decision?


You said that the decision won't be his to make. That is false. It is his decision to make. I understand the process and all that FO stuff, but the bottomline is the process starts with him.

The process just means that a signing is not guaranteed if Chilly wants him, like Rosenfels, or Graham. If we don't pursue McNabb at all, it'll be because Chilly doesn't really want him. That goes for all the good QBs that we showed zero interest in.

I'm gonna have to go with Marrdro on this one. Spielman is a well paid proffessional, they are not paying him just to be Chilly's "Yes" man.
Of course whenever I say Chilly I mean "the coaching staff and all front office people". I don't have time to figure out exactly who does what or makes what decision, nor do I really care.


I didn't say that. I said it starts with Childress. Chilly tells Spielman who he wants, and Spielman counters with the realistic possibilities of why/why not said player has a chance to be in Minny.

I'm sure Spielman also suggests players that might fit well here, but in the end, we are never going to sign a guy that Chilly says no to.

V-Unit
11-25-2008, 12:18 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


My guess is the Coaching staff will present the "For" side and the Bean counters and medical staff might be the "Against" side.


Yes, and if the "For" side is against a player, he ain't going to be in purple. This is not the Raiders or Cowboys, where players are signed at whim despite the coach's input.

Marrdro
11-25-2008, 12:23 PM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


My guess is the Coaching staff will present the "For" side and the Bean counters and medical staff might be the "Against" side.


Yes, and if the "For" side is against a player, he ain't going to be in purple. This is not the Raiders or Cowboys, where players are signed at whim despite the coach's input.

LOL, I was gonna play the Tuna quote again, but thought better of it.
;D

Quick question, how can the "For" side be against a player?.......do you really think the coaching staff would be against a Vet QB that fits the scheme coming in?

C Mac D
11-25-2008, 12:41 PM
Do people really want McNabb?

I mean, he's had a pretty good career, but I've always found him to wear down throughout the season. He has problems closing out games as well.

Either way, better than what we have. I'm torn on him coming here.

ejmat
11-25-2008, 12:46 PM
"C" wrote:


Do people really want McNabb?

I mean, he's had a pretty good career, but I've always found him to wear down throughout the season. He has problems closing out games as well.

Either way, better than what we have. I'm torn on him coming here.


I'm in the same boat with McNabb (we actually agree on something CMac).
The way I would factor this is ask if he is an upgrade to what we have now.
To me, I would say he is.
Therefore if we had the option to get McNabb and he fits under the cap I would say bring him in.
Unfortunately, the QB situation doesn't provide allot of options.
Therefore yuo have to go with what is best for the team.
From what we have now, McNabb is the better option.
I also would point out is McNabb would be a great mentor for TJ.
They are the same type/style of QB.
That would probably help TJ out more than anything is learning from a QB with a similar style of play.

i_bleed_purple
11-25-2008, 12:55 PM
For those who don't like the idea of McNabb, i ask you, who would you rather take?

There is noone out there that is better RIGHT NOW than McNabb, who might be available.
if we draft a rookie, then we have to hope a) he pans out at all, and b) he'll learn quick enough to start right away.
option b is unlikely, and a has a habit of not happening.
Even if we get a top prospect, it doen't mean he'll work out (see Ryan leaf, Alex Smith..) we need to draft a guy, no doubt, but we need a guy to play while the rookie sits and learns.

Purple Floyd
11-25-2008, 01:01 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Do people really want McNabb?

I mean, he's had a pretty good career, but I've always found him to wear down throughout the season. He has problems closing out games as well.

Either way, better than what we have. I'm torn on him coming here.


I'm in the same boat with McNabb (we actually agree on something CMac).
The way I would factor this is ask if he is an upgrade to what we have now.
To me, I would say he is.
Therefore if we had the option to get McNabb and he fits under the cap I would say bring him in.
Unfortunately, the QB situation doesn't provide allot of options.
Therefore yuo have to go with what is best for the team.
From what we have now, McNabb is the better option.
I also would point out is McNabb would be a great mentor for TJ.
They are the same type/style of QB.
That would probably help TJ out more than anything is learning from a QB with a similar style of play.


That is interesting because I have never really noticed many similarities between the two of them personally. I look at Jackson as a person who's skill set more closely resembles Garrard, Rothlisberger, Culpepper etc. meaning they are big, strong, can throw the ball a mile and while they can run, they are better (theoretically) in the pocket.

I also feel that even early in his career that McNabb did have a better grasp of the game and could make plays and buy time with his legs that jackson still can't and possibly never will do.

ejmat
11-25-2008, 01:11 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Do people really want McNabb?

I mean, he's had a pretty good career, but I've always found him to wear down throughout the season. He has problems closing out games as well.

Either way, better than what we have. I'm torn on him coming here.


I'm in the same boat with McNabb (we actually agree on something CMac).
The way I would factor this is ask if he is an upgrade to what we have now.
To me, I would say he is.
Therefore if we had the option to get McNabb and he fits under the cap I would say bring him in.
Unfortunately, the QB situation doesn't provide allot of options.

Therefore yuo have to go with what is best for the team.
From what we have now, McNabb is the better option.
I also would point out is McNabb would be a great mentor for TJ.
They are the same type/style of QB.
That would probably help TJ out more than anything is learning from a QB with a similar style of play.


That is interesting because I have never really noticed many similarities between the two of them personally. I look at Jackson as a person who's skill set more closely resembles Garrard, Rothlisberger, Culpepper etc. meaning they are big, strong, can throw the ball a mile and while they can run, they are better (theoretically) in the pocket.

I also feel that even early in his career that McNabb did have a better grasp of the game and could make plays and buy time with his legs that jackson still can't and possibly never will do.


I believe you pretty much summed up McNabb in the same skill set you mentioned above.
Regardless, he would learn allot more from McNabb than Gus becasue they are nothing alike at all.

jmcdon00
11-25-2008, 01:13 PM
I'd take McNabb, if Andy Reid came with him.
;D

C Mac D
11-25-2008, 01:14 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


For those who don't like the idea of McNabb, i ask you, who would you rather take?

There is noone out there that is better RIGHT NOW than McNabb, who might be available.
if we draft a rookie, then we have to hope a) he pans out at all, and b) he'll learn quick enough to start right away.
option b is unlikely, and a has a habit of not happening.
Even if we get a top prospect, it doen't mean he'll work out (see Ryan leaf, Alex Smith..) we need to draft a guy, no doubt, but we need a guy to play while the rookie sits and learns.


I mean... I used to scoff at the idea, but Cassell had a pretty good showing once again. He may be a bit cheaper than McNabb.

I would like to see if Pittsburgh would want to trade for Dennis Dixon or Washington for Colt Brennan.

Hell, not that he should be our starter next year, but I'd even give Troy Smith a shot at this point.

Braddock
11-25-2008, 01:29 PM
"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


For those who don't like the idea of McNabb, i ask you, who would you rather take?

There is noone out there that is better RIGHT NOW than McNabb, who might be available.
if we draft a rookie, then we have to hope a) he pans out at all, and b) he'll learn quick enough to start right away.
option b is unlikely, and a has a habit of not happening.
Even if we get a top prospect, it doen't mean he'll work out (see Ryan leaf, Alex Smith..) we need to draft a guy, no doubt, but we need a guy to play while the rookie sits and learns.


I mean... I used to scoff at the idea, but Cassell had a pretty good showing once again. He may be a bit cheaper than McNabb.

I would like to see if Pittsburgh would want to trade for Dennis Dixon or Washington for Colt Brennan.

Hell, not that he should be our starter next year, but I'd even give Troy Smith a shot at this point.



I thought Troy Smith was supposed to start for the Ravens, until he got sick. Given how Flacco's played, maybe he might be good to pick up.

ejmat
11-25-2008, 01:30 PM
Why does it matter what he costs?
If the Vikings can find a way to keep him under the salary cap and the team can use him then what difference does it make to me or any other fan?
It definately isn't coming out of my pocket.
I
am sure the FO and Bryz will not do anything to hurt the team salary cap wise.
If they can't afford someone they won't go after them.

Purple Floyd
11-25-2008, 01:33 PM
Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

jmcdon00
11-25-2008, 01:49 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.

Mr Anderson
11-25-2008, 01:55 PM
McNabb is
low value player IMO.

He's 32 years old(Happy birthday Donovan), a major risk he's only played 3 full seasons in his career. someone mentioned he was in his QB prime, he's not that prime was cut short by all of his injuries and it reflects in his play this year.

He is not big enough of an upgrade to pay his huge contract.

Bars92
11-25-2008, 05:35 PM
Just picture McNabb play action with Peterson and then going deep to Berian, I can just picture it ;D

purple punk 56
11-26-2008, 06:16 AM
T.O. From the NFL Network is now talking about McNabb coming to M.N. is there a Hope the Vikings and having a real QB???? Please make it so!!!!

Purple Floyd
11-26-2008, 07:14 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

Caine
11-26-2008, 07:35 AM
"purple" wrote:


T.O. From the NFL Network is now talking about McNabb coming to M.N. is there a Hope the Vikings and having a real QB???? Please make it so!!!!


Won't matter, with Childress, Bevell, and the KAO, no matter WHO plays QB here, the end result will still be major suckage.

Caine

Marrdro
11-26-2008, 08:59 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a damn good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a damn defense.

Caine
11-26-2008, 10:02 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

Marrdro
11-26-2008, 10:04 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.
;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.

ejmat
11-26-2008, 10:08 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:




Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


You never know until the future comes.
Remember Cleveland ran Bellyfat out of town.
I am not saying Shilly will become Bellyfat but just making a statement.

Caine
11-26-2008, 10:08 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:




Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


Chiller's future will be at the 7-11, and T-Jack will be at Micky-D's (You want fries with that?).

Chiller has shown himself to be too rigid to be truly successful - reminds me a lot of Cottrell (Whom I hated).

Jackson has a SLIM shot at rising above, but based upon who's leading him, I'd say it's getting slimmer all the time.

...and if a tornadoe can drive a piece of straw through a trree, imagine what I can do with C4 versus a sttel jock strap
:o

Caine

Marrdro
11-26-2008, 10:10 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:






Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


Chiller's future will be at the 7-11, and T-Jack will be at Micky-D's (You want fries with that?).

Chiller has shown himself to be too rigid to be truly successful - reminds me a lot of Cottrell (Whom I hated).

Jackson has a SLIM shot at rising above, but based upon who's leading him, I'd say it's getting slimmer all the time.

...and if a tornadoe can drive a piece of straw through a trree, imagine what I can do with C4 versus a sttel jock strap

:o

Caine

You do crack me up my friend.
;D

Problem is, I am girding my loins for another year of the Chiller.
Something in me keeps telling me he will be here next year.
:'(
:'(
:'(

Purple Floyd
11-26-2008, 11:12 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a damn good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a damn defense.


This is the Pro's Marr. He has had the amount of time that Coaches get. Maybe he can take 5 years in a pop warner league somewhere in Toledo but in the NFL, with what his owner has provided him, the time has come to shit or get off the pot and he is fucking around with a stuck zipper.

As to Jackson, he is not a WCO QB and if that is what he is given to play in he is done. You should know that as well as anyone.

SamOchoCinco
11-26-2008, 12:10 PM
its either going to be mcnabb or derek anderson

jmcdon00
11-26-2008, 12:36 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a damn good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a damn defense.


This is the Pro's Marr. He has had the amount of time that Coaches get. Maybe he can take 5 years in a pop warner league somewhere in Toledo but in the NFL, with what his owner has provided him, the time has come to shit or get off the pot and he is fucking around with a stuck zipper.

As to Jackson, he is not a WCO QB and if that is what he is given to play in he is done. You should know that as well as anyone.

How many years did it take bill cowher to win a superbowl? Tony Dungy? Bill Bellicheck? Jon Gruden? How many coaches have never won it all?

ejmat
11-26-2008, 12:45 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:




Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a damn good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a damn defense.


This is the Pro's Marr. He has had the amount of time that Coaches get. Maybe he can take 5 years in a pop warner league somewhere in Toledo but in the NFL, with what his owner has provided him, the time has come to shit or get off the pot and he is fucking around with a stuck zipper.

As to Jackson, he is not a WCO QB and if that is what he is given to play in he is done. You should know that as well as anyone.

How many years did it take bill cowher to win a superbowl? Tony Dungy? Bill Bellicheck? Jon Gruden? How many coaches have never won it all?


I can name Bud Grant off the top of my head without even thinking.

Del Rio
11-26-2008, 01:02 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:








Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


Chiller's future will be at the 7-11, and T-Jack will be at Micky-D's (You want fries with that?).

Chiller has shown himself to be too rigid to be truly successful - reminds me a lot of Cottrell (Whom I hated).

Jackson has a SLIM shot at rising above, but based upon who's leading him, I'd say it's getting slimmer all the time.

...and if a tornadoe can drive a piece of straw through a trree, imagine what I can do with C4 versus a sttel jock strap

:o

Caine

You do crack me up my friend.

;D

Problem is, I am girding my loins for another year of the Chiller.
Something in me keeps telling me he will be here next year.

:'(
:'(
:'(


Gotta agree with you Marr. Childress will be here next season.

I would also wager there is a good shot at getting McNabb Eagles wont keep him unless he takes a huge pay cut. We have a good shot at getting him if we want him.

kevoncox
11-26-2008, 01:56 PM
"Del" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:










Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


Chiller's future will be at the 7-11, and T-Jack will be at Micky-D's (You want fries with that?).

Chiller has shown himself to be too rigid to be truly successful - reminds me a lot of Cottrell (Whom I hated).

Jackson has a SLIM shot at rising above, but based upon who's leading him, I'd say it's getting slimmer all the time.

...and if a tornadoe can drive a piece of straw through a trree, imagine what I can do with C4 versus a sttel jock strap

:o

Caine

You do crack me up my friend.

;D

Problem is, I am girding my loins for another year of the Chiller.
Something in me keeps telling me he will be here next year.

:'(
:'(
:'(


Gotta agree with you Marr. Childress will be here next season.

I would also wager there is a good shot at getting McNabb Eagles wont keep him unless he takes a huge pay cut. We have a good shot at getting him if we want him.


I would give up my left nut for Mcnabb.
I ahve actually seen him play this season. A lot of people only catch the eagles blunders on Sportscenter.
I wonder why Westbrook isn't getting blame for a lovely 20+ rushing yards game? The entire offense stunk it up and a lot of offenses have done that agaisnt the Ravens. Did I mentioned they were probaally fired up after getting embarressed by the GMen
the week prior? Sugar Ray and his D came on to play on Sunday and shut an entire team down.

SamOchoCinco
11-26-2008, 02:06 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:












Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


Chiller's future will be at the 7-11, and T-Jack will be at Micky-D's (You want fries with that?).

Chiller has shown himself to be too rigid to be truly successful - reminds me a lot of Cottrell (Whom I hated).

Jackson has a SLIM shot at rising above, but based upon who's leading him, I'd say it's getting slimmer all the time.

...and if a tornadoe can drive a piece of straw through a trree, imagine what I can do with C4 versus a sttel jock strap

:o

Caine

You do crack me up my friend.

;D

Problem is, I am girding my loins for another year of the Chiller.
Something in me keeps telling me he will be here next year.

:'(
:'(
:'(


Gotta agree with you Marr. Childress will be here next season.

I would also wager there is a good shot at getting McNabb Eagles wont keep him unless he takes a huge pay cut. We have a good shot at getting him if we want him.


I would give up my left nut for Mcnabb.
I ahve actually seen him play this season. A lot of people only catch the eagles blunders on Sportscenter.
I wonder why Westbrook isn't getting blame for a lovely 20+ rushing yards game? The entire offense stunk it up and a lot of offenses have done that agaisnt the Ravens. Did I mentioned they were probaally fired up after getting embarressed by the GMen
the week prior? Sugar Ray and his D came on to play on Sunday and shut an entire team down.


westbrook will never get blamed until mcnabb is out of town.

everything that happens falls on the QB's shoulders. unless your the vikings then AP gets everything

Del Rio
11-26-2008, 02:08 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:












Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


Chiller's future will be at the 7-11, and T-Jack will be at Micky-D's (You want fries with that?).

Chiller has shown himself to be too rigid to be truly successful - reminds me a lot of Cottrell (Whom I hated).

Jackson has a SLIM shot at rising above, but based upon who's leading him, I'd say it's getting slimmer all the time.

...and if a tornadoe can drive a piece of straw through a trree, imagine what I can do with C4 versus a sttel jock strap

:o

Caine

You do crack me up my friend.

;D

Problem is, I am girding my loins for another year of the Chiller.
Something in me keeps telling me he will be here next year.

:'(
:'(
:'(


Gotta agree with you Marr. Childress will be here next season.

I would also wager there is a good shot at getting McNabb Eagles wont keep him unless he takes a huge pay cut. We have a good shot at getting him if we want him.


I would give up my left nut for Mcnabb.
I ahve actually seen him play this season. A lot of people only catch the eagles blunders on Sportscenter.
I wonder why Westbrook isn't getting blame for a lovely 20+ rushing yards game? The entire offense stunk it up and a lot of offenses have done that agaisnt the Ravens. Did I mentioned they were probaally fired up after getting embarressed by the GMen
the week prior? Sugar Ray and his D came on to play on Sunday and shut an entire team down.


Never been a fan of McNabb, but he has definately prooven he can do more with less. The guy is no fluke he has Crocodile arms for a wide reciever and they were for the most part perenial contenders in the NFC post season. A good RB, and mediocre WR's and he makes stuff happen.

His attitude right now blows goats, but he plays for the worst fans in the world. He needs a change of location. I wouldnt cry if he came here. He would definatley be a large improvement over what we have.

kevoncox
11-26-2008, 03:20 PM
"Del" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:














Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


Chiller's future will be at the 7-11, and T-Jack will be at Micky-D's (You want fries with that?).

Chiller has shown himself to be too rigid to be truly successful - reminds me a lot of Cottrell (Whom I hated).

Jackson has a SLIM shot at rising above, but based upon who's leading him, I'd say it's getting slimmer all the time.

...and if a tornadoe can drive a piece of straw through a trree, imagine what I can do with C4 versus a sttel jock strap

:o

Caine

You do crack me up my friend.

;D

Problem is, I am girding my loins for another year of the Chiller.
Something in me keeps telling me he will be here next year.

:'(
:'(
:'(


Gotta agree with you Marr. Childress will be here next season.

I would also wager there is a good shot at getting McNabb Eagles wont keep him unless he takes a huge pay cut. We have a good shot at getting him if we want him.


I would give up my left nut for Mcnabb.
I ahve actually seen him play this season. A lot of people only catch the eagles blunders on Sportscenter.
I wonder why Westbrook isn't getting blame for a lovely 20+ rushing yards game? The entire offense stunk it up and a lot of offenses have done that agaisnt the Ravens. Did I mentioned they were probaally fired up after getting embarressed by the GMen
the week prior? Sugar Ray and his D came on to play on Sunday and shut an entire team down.


Never been a fan of McNabb, but he has definately prooven he can do more with less. The guy is no fluke he has Crocodile arms for a wide reciever and they were for the most part perenial contenders in the NFC post season. A good RB, and mediocre WR's and he makes stuff happen.

His attitude right now blows goats, but he plays for the worst fans in the world. He needs a change of location. I wouldnt cry if he came here. He would definatley be a large improvement over what we have.


Del your wisdom outshines your years my friend( best Marrado impression)
Seriously, I don't understand Vikings fan who bash other teams Qbs. It's like someone that's homeless making fun of someone living in the projects. You lose credibility when that happens. Can you blame the guy for having a bad attitude. He turned this team around after a 1-15 record. He made them the favorites almost every Jan. He ha sneve rbeen given any toys to play with. When given a WR they went to the Superbowl and almost won it. He turned Stallworth into a 1200 yard WR. What does he get in return? Ran out of town!!!

Purple Floyd
11-26-2008, 06:36 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:




Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a damn good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a damn defense.


This is the Pro's Marr. He has had the amount of time that Coaches get. Maybe he can take 5 years in a pop warner league somewhere in Toledo but in the NFL, with what his owner has provided him, the time has come to shit or get off the pot and he is fucking around with a stuck zipper.

As to Jackson, he is not a WCO QB and if that is what he is given to play in he is done. You should know that as well as anyone.

How many years did it take bill cowher to win a superbowl? Tony Dungy? Bill Bellicheck? Jon Gruden? How many coaches have never won it all?


Glad you asked. It took 14 for Cowher.

Now, look at his record as a whole:


He took over a 7-9 team that missed the playoffs (Sound familiar?) and the posted the following records:

11-5 playoffs
9-7 playoffs
12-4 playoffs
11-5 playoffs(Went to SB)
10-6 playoffs
11-5 playoffs


Now, look at what Childress has done and let me know if you want me to keep going with the rest

AKViking
11-26-2008, 09:36 PM
"Del" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:














Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


You're just cruisin' for a crotch kick, aren't you, Mar.


Caine

I have a steel jockstrap my freind.

;D

Seriously though, they both have a future it just isn't gonna happen here as they both need some more time to learn their craft.


Chiller's future will be at the 7-11, and T-Jack will be at Micky-D's (You want fries with that?).

Chiller has shown himself to be too rigid to be truly successful - reminds me a lot of Cottrell (Whom I hated).

Jackson has a SLIM shot at rising above, but based upon who's leading him, I'd say it's getting slimmer all the time.

...and if a tornadoe can drive a piece of straw through a trree, imagine what I can do with C4 versus a sttel jock strap

:o

Caine

You do crack me up my friend.

;D

Problem is, I am girding my loins for another year of the Chiller.
Something in me keeps telling me he will be here next year.

:'(
:'(
:'(


Gotta agree with you Marr. Childress will be here next season.

I would also wager there is a good shot at getting McNabb Eagles wont keep him unless he takes a huge pay cut. We have a good shot at getting him if we want him.


I would give up my left nut for Mcnabb.
I ahve actually seen him play this season. A lot of people only catch the eagles blunders on Sportscenter.
I wonder why Westbrook isn't getting blame for a lovely 20+ rushing yards game? The entire offense stunk it up and a lot of offenses have done that agaisnt the Ravens. Did I mentioned they were probaally fired up after getting embarressed by the GMen
the week prior? Sugar Ray and his D came on to play on Sunday and shut an entire team down.


Never been a fan of McNabb, but he has definately prooven he can do more with less. The guy is no fluke he has Crocodile arms for a wide reciever and they were for the most part perenial contenders in the NFC post season. A good RB, and mediocre WR's and he makes stuff happen.

His attitude right now blows goats, but he plays for the worst fans in the world. He needs a change of location. I wouldnt cry if he came here. He would definatley be a large improvement over what we have.


Well McNabb better not figure on having a cushy honeymoon with the Vikes fans. They would expect great things from a pro-bowl Qb, and not after 5 games into the season either. Another suggestion: leave the bad attitude and the racial comments/excuses in the city of brotherly love. They aren't going to fly in Minneapolis. That would be a certain way of getting run out of another NFL city.
Not sure I want McNabb here. Yes he has plenty of talent and a good record of leadership. But I think he has a tendency to play poorly if the fans don't give him as much respect he feels he should get. The only way you get respect from the average Viking fan is consistently wining games, just ask Daunte. Then there are the injuries he's been accumulating. Lord knows we have some questions to answer about our Oline in the near future, and that doesn't bode well for an injury prone Qb. I'm not saying he wouldn't do well, I just have my doubts.

PackSux!
11-26-2008, 09:52 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:






Could we trade Jackson and Childress for Reid and McNabb?

I mean, if they are both so good who would turn down the trade?

I don't recall anyone ever saying childress and Jackson were "so good". I have heard many people say that McNabb is verg good. An argument could be made that Reid is very good too.


Really?

I could dredge links all day but I have work to do.

Granted those would not come from recent posts except a few from the TJ thread, but right up to the opening game there were plenty of Childress and Jackson disciples on here.

BTW it was sarcasm anyway. ;)

I for one still think the Chiller will be a gol 'darnit good HC but until he fixes the issues with his system (not scheme) that gets the players ready, he will continue to have issues with respect to inconsistent play by the team.

As for TJ, I still think he has a future as well.
Said it before and I'll say it again, that kid has a strong mental disposition and the athletic tools to make every throw.
The kid just needs time to learn how to read a gol 'darnit defense.


This is the Pro's Marr. He has had the amount of time that Coaches get. Maybe he can take 5 years in a pop warner league somewhere in Toledo but in the NFL, with what his owner has provided him, the time has come to pooh or get off the pot and he is fricken around with a stuck zipper.

As to Jackson, he is not a WCO QB and if that is what he is given to play in he is done. You should know that as well as anyone.

How many years did it take bill cowher to win a superbowl? Tony Dungy? Bill Bellicheck? Jon Gruden? How many coaches have never won it all?


Glad you asked. It took 14 for Cowher.

Now, look at his record as a whole:


He took over a 7-9 team that missed the playoffs (Sound familiar?) and the posted the following records:

11-5 playoffs
9-7 playoffs
12-4 playoffs
11-5 playoffs(Went to SB)
10-6 playoffs
11-5 playoffs


Now, look at what Childress has done and let me know if you want me to keep going with the rest





Cowher will never coach again, so there is no sense on getting your hopes up.

How many of them playoff years were one and out?
It does not matter how many times you have been to the playoffs, what only matters is how many superbowls you have won.

There are a few elite coaches out there, Cowher is not one of them in my book.

midgensa
11-26-2008, 10:38 PM
His point was that just because Cowher, Gruden, Belichick and Dungy took a while to win a Super Bowl doesn't mean that Childress needs time.
All of these guys were winners at some point early in their career. Cower won 11 games his FIRST years and went to the playoffs his first SIX. Gruden was .500 or better right from the get go. Won 12 games his third year and won a Super Bowl in his fifth. Dungy went to the playoffs in his SECOND year with a perennial loser and has made the playoffs 10 out of the 12 years he has coached.
Belichick is really the only one here that struggled, but he took over a 3-13 team and turned them into a playoff team in four years ... Childress got a 9-7 team and ran them into the ground.
To say "wait around" and use these guys as examples is terrible. All of them were winners almost from the get go, and all of them showed real promise from the get go. Childress (while I think is a little better than most give credit) is not even close to ANY of these men and his resume never will be.

olson_10
11-26-2008, 11:21 PM
reid might call it quits or move on after this season is over after all of the trouble and stress his sons have caused him over the past couple of years, so theres a pretty good chance that any new coach coming in would want to play it safe by keeping mcnabb..if for whatever reason mcnabb does become available, then id love to have him..if this team, the way it is, had a quarterback of mcnabbs caliber, we would have a 3-4 game lead on our division right now, and would be among the leagues elite teams

Marrdro
11-27-2008, 08:52 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


Del your wisdom outshines your years my friend( best Marrado impression)
Seriously, I don't understand Vikings fan who bash other teams Qbs. It's like someone that's homeless making fun of someone living in the projects. You lose credibility when that happens. Can you blame the guy for having a bad attitude. He turned this team around after a 1-15 record. He made them the favorites almost every Jan. He ha sneve rbeen given any toys to play with. When given a WR they went to the Superbowl and almost won it. He turned Stallworth into a 1200 yard WR. What does he get in return? Ran out of town!!!

I bet that if you could get them to honestly answer a poll you would find out that most of them don't watch any other team than the Vikings my friend.

Not that that is a bad thing, just saying that not many guys spend every waking moment watching not only thier favorite team, but any game that is on when that team isn't playing.
Then you throw in that other dynamic (NFLN Re-airs) and you have a "Fanatic" for the game.

Anyway, rambling a bit, but that might answer your question.
Truth of the matter is they are just regurging things they heard or saw on ESPN and don't have the faintest idea what that player is really doing during the season or even for his career.

Marrdro
11-27-2008, 08:54 AM
"olson_10" wrote:


reid might call it quits or move on after this season is over after all of the trouble and stress his sons have caused him over the past couple of years, so theres a pretty good chance that any new coach coming in would want to play it safe by keeping mcnabb..if for whatever reason mcnabb does become available, then id love to have him..if this team, the way it is, had a quarterback of mcnabbs caliber, we would have a 3-4 game lead on our division right now, and would be among the leagues elite teams

I am not sure that the new Coach would have a huge say in that my friend.
That CAP figure hanging over thier heads might make the FO go into full rebuild mode if/when Andy takes the long walk.

purpledoom
11-28-2008, 07:01 AM
Never been a fan of McNabb, but he has definately prooven he can do more with less. The guy is no fluke he has Crocodile arms for a wide reciever and they were for the most part perenial contenders in the NFC post season. A good RB, and mediocre WR's and he makes stuff happen.

His attitude right now blows goats, but he plays for the worst fans in the world. He needs a change of location. I wouldnt cry if he came here. He would definatley be a large improvement over what we have.
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You took the words right out my mouth.

purple punk 56
11-28-2008, 07:38 AM
The guy can play we all know that. With our Line ( aleast every position but right Tackle ) and our FREAKIN God like Backs Man, What a fit.

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Marrdro
11-28-2008, 07:54 AM
Nice performance last night, but it wasn't only McNabb, but rather a team effort especially related to the ability to get a RB involved in some plays.

Exactly why I think he would be a good fit with this team.

dfosterf
11-28-2008, 08:11 AM
As I said approximately 25 pages ago, this worries me.
I perceive Donovan as the missing piece to the Viking puzzle.
I want him to play well the rest of the way this season.
The Puker fans are also discussing this, btw.
80-90% are dismissing McNabb as functional, but not the difference-maker that you might hope for.
Naturally, like 99% of you fellas, they are wrong. ;D
Donovan; keep your jiggly-butt where it belongs, in Philadelphia...or more accurately put, in the NFC East...I got enough trouble as it is...

Regards,

One of the token Puker fans out and about.

(Pack93z is in that 80-90 percentile, btw)

ejmat
11-28-2008, 08:12 AM
"dfosterf" wrote:


As I said approximately 25 pages ago, this worries me.
I perceive Donovan as the missing piece to the Viking puzzle.
I want him to play well the rest of the way this season.
The Puker fans are also discussing this, btw.
80-90% are dismissing McNabb as functional, but not the difference-maker that you might hope for.
Naturally, like 99% of you fellas, they are wrong. ;D
Donovan; keep your jiggly-butt where it belongs, in Philadelphia...or more accurately put, in the NFC East...I got enough trouble as it is...

Regards,

One of the token Puker fans out and about.

(Pack93z is in that 80-90 percentile, btw)





This is great.
Love to have that inside information dfosterf.

Purple Floyd
11-28-2008, 08:23 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Nice performance last night, but it wasn't only McNabb, but rather a team effort especially related to the ability to get a RB involved in some plays.

Exactly why I think he would be a good fit with this team.


their RB works well in the passing game. Ours (AD) not so much.

ejmat
11-28-2008, 08:29 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Nice performance last night, but it wasn't only McNabb, but rather a team effort especially related to the ability to get a RB involved in some plays.

Exactly why I think he would be a good fit with this team.


their RB works well in the passing game. Ours (AD) not so much.


True but Taylor does which would fit the 2 back set everyone is crying for with AD and CT.
AD can be taught too.

Purple Floyd
11-28-2008, 08:37 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Nice performance last night, but it wasn't only McNabb, but rather a team effort especially related to the ability to get a RB involved in some plays.

Exactly why I think he would be a good fit with this team.


their RB works well in the passing game. Ours (AD) not so much.


True but Taylor does which would fit the 2 back set everyone is crying for with AD and CT.
AD can be taught too.


I would agree with that idea. But then when you look at it, AD's big plays have come from a single back set and then I would have to question whether he was a necessity. To be honest, Chester is a better back if we are going to be an exclusive WCO team. With AD they have brought in more plays from the vertical game to use his skills.

If you need a reference to how you can ruin a great RB by taking him from a system he is built to be in and putting him in one he isn't go back and look at Herschel Walkers stay with the Vikings. He went from being a beast in the offense Dallas runs(Which I would love to see us run) to a bust in the WCO Burns was running. Not to say it is an identical situation, just a potential one.

ejmat
11-28-2008, 09:28 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Nice performance last night, but it wasn't only McNabb, but rather a team effort especially related to the ability to get a RB involved in some plays.

Exactly why I think he would be a good fit with this team.


their RB works well in the passing game. Ours (AD) not so much.


True but Taylor does which would fit the 2 back set everyone is crying for with AD and CT.
AD can be taught too.


I would agree with that idea. But then when you look at it, AD's big plays have come from a single back set and then I would have to question whether he was a necessity. To be honest, Chester is a better back if we are going to be an exclusive WCO team. With AD they have brought in more plays from the vertical game to use his skills.

If you need a reference to how you can ruin a great RB by taking him from a system he is built to be in and putting him in one he isn't go back and look at Herschel Walkers stay with the Vikings. He went from being a beast in the offense Dallas runs(Which I would love to see us run) to a bust in the WCO Burns was running. Not to say it is an identical situation, just a potential one.


No need to reference (especially the Walker trade)
>:(.
I know not using someone correctly can ruin a player.
That is specifically why I've been saying using Peterson on that last drive against TB would be a waste.

Right now the Vikings have 2 great backs.
Precisely why you use the better back for the given circumstance as I have stated all along.
The thing with Peterson is he may not be the best back for the WCO now but he is skilled enough to work with it and has the work habit to learn it.


I love these discussions by the way.
Great posts Sir.
;D

marstc09
11-29-2008, 11:51 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:


It doesn't matter what QB we bring in as long as we can't block up front. Not even Brady or the Manning 2 would look good behind our O-line, we're giving up waayyy too many sacks, but that's another thread.

For the sake of discussion I would like McNabb behind center next season. I think he is still a bit more mobile than Frerotte and we need a mobile QB. We had luck with Cunningham, though he had a badass rookie receiver ;D
But, as has been said earlier McNabb is only a stop-gap solution. I would like us to aggressively pursue Patriots' Cassel in the off-season if he becomes available




I am still not sure what is so great about Cassell.


How about his 65.3 career completion %. You said you want a QB that is accurate!
:P

marstc09
11-29-2008, 11:57 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


I am not very high on Cassell but I don't care what system you work in, throwing for more than 400 yards is hard to do never mind doing it 2 games in a row.


I really don't understand you. You don't blame Chilly for this QB mess. It looks like you don't like Cassel. What do you think we should do about this QB situation? I have never seen a straight answer. By the way you asked one time about who we should have went after. What about Pennington!!!!!
::) Failed to bring him in as well.

marstc09
11-29-2008, 12:01 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Do people really want McNabb?

I mean, he's had a pretty good career, but I've always found him to wear down throughout the season. He has problems closing out games as well.

Either way, better than what we have. I'm torn on him coming here.


I'm in the same boat with McNabb (we actually agree on something CMac).
The way I would factor this is ask if he is an upgrade to what we have now.
To me, I would say he is.
Therefore if we had the option to get McNabb and he fits under the cap I would say bring him in.
Unfortunately, the QB situation doesn't provide allot of options.

Therefore yuo have to go with what is best for the team.
From what we have now, McNabb is the better option.
I also would point out is McNabb would be a great mentor for TJ.
They are the same type/style of QB.
That would probably help TJ out more than anything is learning from a QB with a similar style of play.


I guess you are in favor of McNabb. Funny because he has a career completion % of 58.8 and Gus has 54.6.
::)