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kevoncox
11-29-2008, 01:26 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Do people really want McNabb?

I mean, he's had a pretty good career, but I've always found him to wear down throughout the season. He has problems closing out games as well.

Either way, better than what we have. I'm torn on him coming here.


I'm in the same boat with McNabb (we actually agree on something CMac).
The way I would factor this is ask if he is an upgrade to what we have now.
To me, I would say he is.
Therefore if we had the option to get McNabb and he fits under the cap I would say bring him in.
Unfortunately, the QB situation doesn't provide allot of options.

Therefore yuo have to go with what is best for the team.
From what we have now, McNabb is the better option.
I also would point out is McNabb would be a great mentor for TJ.
They are the same type/style of QB.
That would probably help TJ out more than anything is learning from a QB with a similar style of play.


I guess you are in favor of McNabb. Funny because he has a career completion % of 58.8 and Gus has 54.6.
::)


I rather look at his TD to INt stats.
189 to 89 BTW.

marstc09
11-29-2008, 01:55 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Do people really want McNabb?

I mean, he's had a pretty good career, but I've always found him to wear down throughout the season. He has problems closing out games as well.

Either way, better than what we have. I'm torn on him coming here.


I'm in the same boat with McNabb (we actually agree on something CMac).
The way I would factor this is ask if he is an upgrade to what we have now.
To me, I would say he is.
Therefore if we had the option to get McNabb and he fits under the cap I would say bring him in.
Unfortunately, the QB situation doesn't provide allot of options.

Therefore yuo have to go with what is best for the team.
From what we have now, McNabb is the better option.
I also would point out is McNabb would be a great mentor for TJ.
They are the same type/style of QB.
That would probably help TJ out more than anything is learning from a QB with a similar style of play.


I guess you are in favor of McNabb. Funny because he has a career completion % of 58.8 and Gus has 54.6.
::)


I rather look at his TD to INt stats.
189 to 89 BTW.


I look at that too. I want McNabb here. I am just saying that ejmat said he is looking for an accurate QB. Might not get that with McNabb.

SamOchoCinco
11-29-2008, 02:37 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Do people really want McNabb?

I mean, he's had a pretty good career, but I've always found him to wear down throughout the season. He has problems closing out games as well.

Either way, better than what we have. I'm torn on him coming here.


I'm in the same boat with McNabb (we actually agree on something CMac).
The way I would factor this is ask if he is an upgrade to what we have now.
To me, I would say he is.
Therefore if we had the option to get McNabb and he fits under the cap I would say bring him in.
Unfortunately, the QB situation doesn't provide allot of options.

Therefore yuo have to go with what is best for the team.
From what we have now, McNabb is the better option.
I also would point out is McNabb would be a great mentor for TJ.
They are the same type/style of QB.
That would probably help TJ out more than anything is learning from a QB with a similar style of play.


I guess you are in favor of McNabb. Funny because he has a career completion % of 58.8 and Gus has 54.6.
::)


I rather look at his TD to INt stats.
189 to 89 BTW.


I look at that too. I want McNabb here. I am just saying that ejmat said he is looking for an accurate QB. Might not get that with McNabb.


mcnabb has also been to some probowls, is familiar with childress, done way better with worse than gus and T-jack,

And is in a system that is simular to ours.

i am in favor of getting D-mac. but i wouldnt cry about it if we didnt get him

dfosterf
11-29-2008, 02:54 PM
I think it should be Alex Smith of the 49ers.
How can you go wrong with the former #1 pick?

ejmat
11-30-2008, 02:02 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


I am not very high on Cassell but I don't care what system you work in, throwing for more than 400 yards is hard to do never mind doing it 2 games in a row.


I really don't understand you. You don't blame Chilly for this QB mess. It looks like you don't like Cassel. What do you think we should do about this QB situation? I have never seen a straight answer. By the way you asked one time about who we should have went after. What about Pennington!!!!!
::) Failed to bring him in as well.


I answered the Pennington question many moons ago.
Yes I wish he were here.
Again, I am sure Parcells had him scooped up before he was even cut.
After all Parcells drafted him and they had a history.
There is no doubt in my mind.


What don't I like about Casssell?
Right now there is nothing I don't like about him.
Anyone that throws for 400+ yards in 2 games in a row has to have something going for him.
The only problem I see at this point in which I mentioned before is he has only played in 11 games.
The guy has Moss and Welker and that will make anyone better.
You think Brady has as good as stats as he did last year without those two?
Never!
He was just a good QB that won games.
He was never big with his statistics.
Once he got some weapons he tore it up.

It is great Cassell has a high % completion rate.
Maybe he will be a good QB but did you expect the staff to go after him during last offseason?
What did he ever do prior to this year?
Nothing.
Now maybe during this off season they make a play for him if he is available.


I am not sure what I haven't answered.
I have answered every question you and everyone else has asked.
Maybe you just haven't read everything.
By the way, I have been the one asking what / who should they have gone after for QB?
It is you that keeps talking about players that were unavailable such as Garcia and Pennington.
My entire point has stemmed off of the staff not having a lot of options.
It has been you and CMac blaming the coaching staff for not going after someone, not me.
Now why don't you tell me what viable options they did have.

Vikes_King
12-25-2008, 04:11 PM
Bringin this one back too!

McNabb expects to return to Eagles in 2009 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80d9c073&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)

Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA -- Tired of answering questions about his future with the Philadelphia Eagles, Donovan McNabb would rather get a new contract than play for a new team.

"Everybody wants a new deal," McNabb said Wednesday. "But, that's not why we're playing this game. We're playing this game to win and things happen. I've been answering this question the last couple of years, so I guess to eliminate that part of it, hopefully (a new contract) will happen, but we'll see."

Marrdro
12-25-2008, 04:16 PM
I am in no way trying to say I am a CAPOLOGIST or anything like that, however, unless ole Bryzcheapski has some hidden numbers built in (like he did last year), Been spending the last week or so going over the roster and I just don't see how we can afford McNabb.

Sure we wouldn't pay him 10.5, but I am sure he would command a significant CAP number especially if they sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal.

Vikes_King
12-25-2008, 04:24 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


I am in no way trying to say I am a CAPOLOGIST or anything like that, however, unless ole Bryzcheapski has some hidden numbers built in (like he did last year), Been spending the last week or so going over the roster and I just don't see how we can afford McNabb.

Sure we wouldn't pay him 10.5, but I am sure he would command a significant CAP number especially if they sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal.




yea yea i'm looking, can't find anything on the cap yet

Marrdro
12-25-2008, 04:26 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I am in no way trying to say I am a CAPOLOGIST or anything like that, however, unless ole Bryzcheapski has some hidden numbers built in (like he did last year), Been spending the last week or so going over the roster and I just don't see how we can afford McNabb.

Sure we wouldn't pay him 10.5, but I am sure he would command a significant CAP number especially if they sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal.




yea yea i'm looking, can't find anything on the cap yet

We had a guy join last year who tracked it all the way through the season and always had a number for me.
Can't remember his name, however, I miss that guy...
;D

Vikes_King
12-25-2008, 04:28 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I am in no way trying to say I am a CAPOLOGIST or anything like that, however, unless ole Bryzcheapski has some hidden numbers built in (like he did last year), Been spending the last week or so going over the roster and I just don't see how we can afford McNabb.

Sure we wouldn't pay him 10.5, but I am sure he would command a significant CAP number especially if they sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal.




yea yea i'm looking, can't find anything on the cap yet

We had a guy join last year who tracked it all the way through the season and always had a number for me.
Can't remember his name, however, I miss that guy...
;D


i believe theres a guy on scout.com that does it.. but you have to pay for a membership there, so no thnx.

I know we gave Berrian a very cap friendly contract - a huge part of his guaranteed contract hit us on our 2008 cap since we started the free agency with $37 million.
but yeaaa

Vikes_King
12-25-2008, 04:33 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I am in no way trying to say I am a CAPOLOGIST or anything like that, however, unless ole Bryzcheapski has some hidden numbers built in (like he did last year), Been spending the last week or so going over the roster and I just don't see how we can afford McNabb.

Sure we wouldn't pay him 10.5, but I am sure he would command a significant CAP number especially if they sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal.




yea yea i'm looking, can't find anything on the cap yet

We had a guy join last year who tracked it all the way through the season and always had a number for me.
Can't remember his name, however, I miss that guy...
;D


I was just reading another board and a user there says he thinks we're at about $15 mil under the cap right now, and thats before the adjusted cap

Purple Floyd
12-25-2008, 05:23 PM
Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?

Marrdro
12-26-2008, 07:59 AM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I am in no way trying to say I am a CAPOLOGIST or anything like that, however, unless ole Bryzcheapski has some hidden numbers built in (like he did last year), Been spending the last week or so going over the roster and I just don't see how we can afford McNabb.

Sure we wouldn't pay him 10.5, but I am sure he would command a significant CAP number especially if they sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal.




yea yea i'm looking, can't find anything on the cap yet

We had a guy join last year who tracked it all the way through the season and always had a number for me.

Can't remember his name, however, I miss that guy...

;D


I was just reading another board and a user there says he thinks we're at about $15 mil under the cap right now, and thats before the adjusted cap

Well that is a bit better than I figured.
Hope he is right.

My number (around 7 Mil) is based on what we had last year, what we used last year, current contracts and some issues/assumptions related to incentives (JA will get over 15/Kwills up/ Pro-bowl appearances etc.

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
http://www.vikingsstop.com/2008-vikings-salary-cap
http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Minnesota-Vikings-Salaries

Course I suck at math so I am sure I am missing something.
;D

TheVike1
12-26-2008, 09:32 AM
McNabb, no!
Too old!
Buid our franchise after TJ and if not Let Booty get a taste of the NFL!
I think this has been CHILLY and the orgs plan from two yrs ago, n?

Marrdro
12-26-2008, 09:45 AM
"TheVike1" wrote:


McNabb, no!
Too old!
Buid our franchise after TJ and if not Let Booty get a taste of the NFL!
I think this has been CHILLY and the orgs plan from two yrs ago, n?

Call me silly, however, I can't think of any HC that would want to go into his HC career with at kid like TJ as his starter.
I still contend that Studwell and the Chiller wantedhad the QB's ranked Cutler, Clemens and TJ in that draft class and if Foley wouldn't have screwed the pooch and drafted one of the first two, none of us would even give a squat about TJ other than as a side note for how he was/wasn't doing on another team.

I am sure all his plans went to shit when Pepp copped his little attitude with the FO and the medical staff.

Anyway, back to Donovan......

Sure he has some wear and tear, however, he is back to what appears 100% and is the perfect fit for this offense especially if you put him on a team that will run the ball a bit more than they do down there in Iggle land.

TJ, although he has played well of late, still doesn't have it completely together.
I say let him sit one more year (or two) on the bench, learning the way a young QB should and then in 2 years or so bring him out.

JDB is nothing more than a project.
I look for this team to use another draft pick, just like they have so far, on another kid.
The loss of Thygpen put this whole "Project/Development" plan a year behind.
Long story short, even though he ran a WCO in college, he is still 2 to 3 years away from evern sniffing the starters job here.

TheVike1
12-26-2008, 09:48 AM
Good points but you gotta admit the way our O and QB's look sometimes he probab in the back of Chilly's mind only a DOWN or TWO! from gettin in the game :)))))))

Marrdro
12-26-2008, 09:56 AM
"TheVike1" wrote:


Good points but you gotta admit the way our O and QB's look sometimes he probab in the back of Chilly's mind only a DOWN or TWO! from gettin in the game :)))))))

Agree.
Some credit needs to be given to Coach Rogers for the way he kept TJ's head in the game.
Although I really like the kid, I was pretty worried when ole Gussy boy went down in the Lions game.

Maybe, just maybe, the light has come on and we won't need to waste CAP money on a guy next year at that position so we can spend it else where (ala a new C, S, or K'r).
Give the coaching staff 2 of those 3 and we will be a pretty tough team next year. ::)

Ltrey33
12-26-2008, 03:47 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


I am in no way trying to say I am a CAPOLOGIST or anything like that, however, unless ole Bryzcheapski has some hidden numbers built in (like he did last year), Been spending the last week or so going over the roster and I just don't see how we can afford McNabb.

Sure we wouldn't pay him 10.5, but I am sure he would command a significant CAP number especially if they sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal.




yea yea i'm looking, can't find anything on the cap yet

We had a guy join last year who tracked it all the way through the season and always had a number for me.
Can't remember his name, however, I miss that guy...
;D


I was just reading another board and a user there says he thinks we're at about $15 mil under the cap right now, and thats before the adjusted cap


I'm not sure if you guys know this or not, but there is a link to the cap # on PP.O. It's up under the stats tab.

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/stats/salarycap

It's updated from the end of the summer, but I'm sure it's close enough.

i_bleed_purple
12-26-2008, 04:52 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.

PackSux!
12-26-2008, 04:58 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


He may not choke, but he does get tired.
At least that is what was said about the superbowl game he lost.

Purple Floyd
12-26-2008, 05:06 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.

snowinapril
12-26-2008, 05:25 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


Right place at the right time.

Right team at the right time.


"Trent Dilfer"

McNabb is still good enough to win.

marshallvike
12-26-2008, 05:28 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"TheVike1" wrote:


McNabb, no!
Too old!
Buid our franchise after TJ and if not Let Booty get a taste of the NFL!
I think this has been CHILLY and the orgs plan from two yrs ago, n?

Call me silly, however, I can't think of any HC that would want to go into his HC career with at kid like TJ as his starter.
I still contend that Studwell and the Chiller wantedhad the QB's ranked Cutler, Clemens and TJ in that draft class and if Foley wouldn't have screwed the pooch and drafted one of the first two, none of us would even give a squat about TJ other than as a side note for how he was/wasn't doing on another team.

I am sure all his plans went to pooh when Pepp copped his little attitude with the FO and the medical staff.

Anyway, back to Donovan......

Sure he has some wear and tear, however, he is back to what appears 100% and is the perfect fit for this offense especially if you put him on a team that will run the ball a bit more than they do down there in Iggle land.

TJ, although he has played well of late, still doesn't have it completely together.
I say let him sit one more year (or two) on the bench, learning the way a young QB should and then in 2 years or so bring him out.

JDB is nothing more than a project.
I look for this team to use another draft pick, just like they have so far, on another kid.
The loss of Thygpen put this whole "Project/Development" plan a year behind.
Long story short, even though he ran a WCO in college, he is still 2 to 3 years away from evern sniffing the starters job here.



i would not be surprised if a draft pick was used on a qb in the later rounds either, however, we do need a veteran backup do we not? if/when we pick up a qb, either he or jdb will probably not make the team, assuming that everyone in the organization has learned their lesson about having a QUALITY veteran backup on the roster.

that may be a big assumption.

CCthebest
12-26-2008, 05:37 PM
If we had a chance to get McNabb for a decent price we would be STUPID not to. Let him beat TJ out next years training camp/preseason. Get rid of Gus, TJ/ McN as backup. Trust me, Defenses would fear McN more for his arm then TJ. Can you imagine McN finding Shanc and Wade wide open with the box stacked?

happy camper
12-26-2008, 05:40 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.

PackSux!
12-26-2008, 06:01 PM
"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


Seems that he tends to choke.
There is no doubt that McNabb is a better quarterback then what we have at the moment, but do we really want to spend that kind of money on a quarterback that old and beat up?
Will he be a mentor to Jackson?
Will Jackson ever be the franchise quarterback alot of people want him to be?


This offseason will be very interesting when it comes to the quarterback position.
This game on sunday will tell us alot about Jackson and his future.

Purple Floyd
12-27-2008, 09:44 AM
"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.

i_bleed_purple
12-27-2008, 09:46 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.


thats funny, you'd rather take your chances on TJ, who folds like a lawn chair under pressure, than McNabb, a vet who's proven he can stay calm under heat?
Purple tinted glasses indeed.
You just wait untill TJ has one bad game and you'll all be off of the TJ wagon as quickly as you hopped on.

Ltrey33
12-27-2008, 09:58 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.


That same criticism hit Peyton Manning before he won his first Super Bowl too.

You can label a guy a choker all you want, but it's REALLY hard to win a Super Bowl. Think of all the times guys like Manning, Favre, Hasselbeck, Brees, Romo, Kurt Warner, McNabb, Garcia and other top notch quarterbacks have all been to the playoffs and have either won one Super Bowl or none at all.

Winning a Super Bowl is about a lot more than just the quarterback. Ask Trent Dilfer.

ejmat
12-27-2008, 10:05 AM
"Ltrey" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.


That same criticism hit Peyton Manning before he won his first Super Bowl too.

You can label a guy a choker all you want, but it's REALLY hard to win a Super Bowl. Think of all the times guys like Manning, Favre, Hasselbeck, Brees, Romo, Kurt Warner, McNabb, Garcia and other top notch quarterbacks have all been to the playoffs and have either won one Super Bowl or none at all.

Winning a Super Bowl is about a lot more than just the quarterback. Ask Trent Dilfer.


I guess QBs like Dan Marino, Fran Tarkington to name just 2 must really suck because they never won a superbowl.
Sometimes I don't understand people's logic.
McNabb is a good fucking QB.
I would love to have him on the Vikings.
I am not the one to worry about money.
That is the FOs job.
If they can get McNabb and stay under the cap then bring the guy in.
Plain and simple.

i_bleed_purple
12-27-2008, 10:09 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Ltrey" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:






Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.


That same criticism hit Peyton Manning before he won his first Super Bowl too.

You can label a guy a choker all you want, but it's REALLY hard to win a Super Bowl. Think of all the times guys like Manning, Favre, Hasselbeck, Brees, Romo, Kurt Warner, McNabb, Garcia and other top notch quarterbacks have all been to the playoffs and have either won one Super Bowl or none at all.

Winning a Super Bowl is about a lot more than just the quarterback. Ask Trent Dilfer.


I guess QBs like Dan Marino, Fran Tarkington to name just 2 must really suck because they never won a superbowl.
Sometimes I don't understand people's logic.
McNabb is a good fucking QB.
I would love to have him on the Vikings.
I am not the one to worry about money.
That is the FOs job.
If they can get McNabb and stay under the cap then bring the guy in.
Plain and simple.



in the history of the NFL, only 42 quarterbacks ever win the superbowl.
Since some players won more than once, that number is really only less.
For arguments sake, lets say its 30 different qb's.
Are you telling me that there have only been 30 good qb's in the history of the NFL?

V4L
12-27-2008, 10:17 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Ltrey" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"happy" wrote:








Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.


That same criticism hit Peyton Manning before he won his first Super Bowl too.

You can label a guy a choker all you want, but it's REALLY hard to win a Super Bowl. Think of all the times guys like Manning, Favre, Hasselbeck, Brees, Romo, Kurt Warner, McNabb, Garcia and other top notch quarterbacks have all been to the playoffs and have either won one Super Bowl or none at all.

Winning a Super Bowl is about a lot more than just the quarterback. Ask Trent Dilfer.


I guess QBs like Dan Marino, Fran Tarkington to name just 2 must really suck because they never won a superbowl.
Sometimes I don't understand people's logic.
McNabb is a good fucking QB.
I would love to have him on the Vikings.
I am not the one to worry about money.
That is the FOs job.
If they can get McNabb and stay under the cap then bring the guy in.
Plain and simple.



in the history of the NFL, only 42 quarterbacks ever win the superbowl.
Since some players won more than once, that number is really only less.
For arguments sake, lets say its 30 different qb's.
Are you telling me that there have only been 30 good qb's in the history of the NFL?



29

We can't include Trent Dilfer

Otherwise yes, just 20 good QBS
;)

Purple Floyd
12-27-2008, 10:39 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.


thats funny, you'd rather take your chances on TJ, who folds like a lawn chair under pressure, than McNabb, a vet who's proven he can stay calm under heat?
Purple tinted glasses indeed.
You just wait untill TJ has one bad game and you'll all be off of the TJ wagon as quickly as you hopped on.


I think it is safe to say that I am not on the TJ bandwagon.

but by the same token I am not on the bandwagon of believing that bringing in an aging QB with no SB rings will give us any better chance of winning a SB than a young one with no SB rings.

considering the staff we have and the personnel I am not convinced he would be enough of a change to win the SB

i_bleed_purple
12-27-2008, 10:43 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:






Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.


thats funny, you'd rather take your chances on TJ, who folds like a lawn chair under pressure, than McNabb, a vet who's proven he can stay calm under heat?
Purple tinted glasses indeed.
You just wait untill TJ has one bad game and you'll all be off of the TJ wagon as quickly as you hopped on.


I think it is safe to say that I am not on the TJ bandwagon.

but by the same token I am not on the bandwagon of believing that bringing in an aging QB with no SB rings will give us any better chance of winning a SB than a young one with no SB rings.

considering the staff we have and the personnel I am not convinced he would be enough of a change to win the SB


so by your logic we should bring back brad johnson, he has a ring, so therefore must be the best option available.

TheVike1
12-28-2008, 10:06 AM
negative on McNabb tood old Cassell YOU BET! :)

PackSux!
12-28-2008, 02:32 PM
"PackSux!" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


Seems that he tends to choke.

There is no doubt that McNabb is a better quarterback then what we have at the moment, but do we really want to spend that kind of money on a quarterback that old and beat up?

Will he be a mentor to Jackson?

Will Jackson ever be the franchise quarterback alot of people want him to be?


This offseason will be very interesting when it comes to the quarterback position.
This game on sunday will tell us alot about Jackson and his future.


Jacksons future is no more.

Go Texans.

Alright that is twice today i have totally fucked up.
The first time was when they showed the Lloyd touchdown and i thought it was the texans that have scored.
Now i just said go to the wrong team, i might have screwed up 3 times today if Jackson can prove me wrong.

I suck today.
:(

UMD_Bleeds_Purple
12-28-2008, 03:22 PM
T jacks has shown some real presence in these last 4 games and has shown in the giants that he can come through when he needs to....I know this has been a small example but seeing if he plays well in the playoffs I think we need to keep him as our starter....with another off season to watch film and maybe add another receiver next year (housh!) he wont have the pressure he had on him going into this year and he could save us alot of money!

STAY WITH TJACKS! he is killin! 9 td's and 1int in 4 games thats good in my book!

Articnv
12-28-2008, 03:29 PM
I am sorry McNabb
I don't see as a good fight,
we
had enuff of the older aging vets see Brad Johnson and Gus.
Tjack looked well enuff to lead and make drives when behind.

As for Cassel, i think the pats will resign him as tom Brady wont be the QB he was again and may have to go back under the knife for another knee surgery if thats the case, kiss your nfl careergood bye.

D Anderson,
I seer him as a unpolished
QB much like Travis was at the beging of the season,
I dont see him being good enuff to compete and i think he would costto much to be a 2nd stringer.

What i realy need is a nother
decent wr, since rice seems to be hurt alot.

COJOMAY
12-28-2008, 03:56 PM
I totally agree that we need one more wide receiver more than anything else right now. We need that field stretched on both sides and also it will give Peterson a lot more running room.
But you know all the football "experts" want anyone who is hot right now. How about Carr, I haven't seen him mentioned and he sure looked good to me today!
:D

TheVike1
12-28-2008, 04:11 PM
LETS steal Shaub asap!

CCthebest
12-28-2008, 04:42 PM
If we have a chance for McNabb next year and dont take it, it will be a stupid move. He is good. TJ is ok at best. Id give alot for Mcnabb right now.

Purple Floyd
12-28-2008, 06:01 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"happy" wrote:








Jacksons numbers the last 3 weeks blow McNabb out of the water and he is cheaper. Why bring in old and beaten when you have new and improved?


its all about experience

TJ has proved to play beautifully in regular season, non-pressure games.

anybody remember watching an important or prime-time game where TJ played well?
I sure don't

for all we know, he'll fold up like a lawn chair in the playoffs, if he does, then he just needs experience.


McNabb, on the other hand, won't do that, he has his own ups and downs, but choking in the big game isn't one of them.


McNabb lost 3 out of 4 NFC Championship games and one out of one SB's.


That means McNabb also got to 4 NFC Championships and one SB.


The Vikings have done that too. I would rather take my chances on somebody who hasn't won the big game but hasn't lost it than to go with somebody who has lost the big ones multiple times.


thats funny, you'd rather take your chances on TJ, who folds like a lawn chair under pressure, than McNabb, a vet who's proven he can stay calm under heat?
Purple tinted glasses indeed.
You just wait untill TJ has one bad game and you'll all be off of the TJ wagon as quickly as you hopped on.


I think it is safe to say that I am not on the TJ bandwagon.

but by the same token I am not on the bandwagon of believing that bringing in an aging QB with no SB rings will give us any better chance of winning a SB than a young one with no SB rings.

considering the staff we have and the personnel I am not convinced he would be enough of a change to win the SB


so by your logic we should bring back brad johnson, he has a ring, so therefore must be the best option available.



That may be your logic but not mine.

If TJ is what the coaches want, they won't bring in anybody to replace him.

Mr-holland
12-28-2008, 06:05 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:


If we have a chance for McNabb next year and dont take it, it will be a stupid move. He is good. TJ is ok at best. Id give alot for Mcnabb right now.

I agree that we should go for him, but depending at what cost. It also depends on how TJ will play in the playoffs. IMO he hasn't played enough to convince me that he should be the starting QB for next season, but he sure is playing good football.

Yfz01
12-28-2008, 07:06 PM
T-Jack is still playing good.


T-Jack has a mid 95+ rating on the year.
That's pretty impressive.
Not many qb's are perfect.

TheVike1
12-28-2008, 07:13 PM
If the Pats let cASSEL GOES AS WAS MENTIONED RUMORED AS A POSSIBILITY ON THE nbc GURUS TONIGHT we must get him!

Yfz01
12-28-2008, 07:15 PM
I don't like Cassel.
He cant throw the deep ball and the boxes will be stacked.

V4L
12-28-2008, 07:16 PM
Jackson- the kid is growing

Cassell- overrated.. But will stay.. Brady might not be back next year

McNabb- I feel unless they are out after next week he will stay

marstc09
01-19-2009, 08:44 PM
EAGLES REITERATE THAT REID AND MCNABB WILL BE BACK

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/19/eagles-reiterate-that-reid-and-mcnabb-will-be-back/

Marrdro
01-20-2009, 07:20 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


EAGLES REITERATE THAT REID AND MCNABB WILL BE BACK

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/19/eagles-reiterate-that-reid-and-mcnabb-will-be-back/

And to think I got my hopes up for nothing....... :'(

JK, anyone notice how accurate McNabb was on most of his throws during the game.
Sure were some chokers out there that missed the mark.

I can/could see that happening if he was getting alot of pressure but in most cases he was off the mark and wasn't getting any pressure at all......

Maybe he isnt a good option..... :o

singersp
01-20-2009, 07:48 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


EAGLES REITERATE THAT REID AND MCNABB WILL BE BACK

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/19/eagles-reiterate-that-reid-and-mcnabb-will-be-back/

And to think I got my hopes up for nothing....... :'(

JK, anyone notice how accurate McNabb was on most of his throws during the game.
Sure were some chokers out there that missed the mark.

I can/could see that happening if he was getting alot of pressure but in most cases he was off the mark and wasn't getting any pressure at all......

Maybe he isnt a good option..... :o


Still don't know why people even thought McNabb was a possibility. Hell, his contract isn't even up for several years yet, I believe.

Marrdro
01-20-2009, 08:00 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


EAGLES REITERATE THAT REID AND MCNABB WILL BE BACK

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/19/eagles-reiterate-that-reid-and-mcnabb-will-be-back/

And to think I got my hopes up for nothing....... :'(

JK, anyone notice how accurate McNabb was on most of his throws during the game.
Sure were some chokers out there that missed the mark.

I can/could see that happening if he was getting alot of pressure but in most cases he was off the mark and wasn't getting any pressure at all......

Maybe he isnt a good option..... :o


Still don't know why people even thought McNabb was a possibility. Hell, his contract isn't even up for several years yet, I believe.

Well he is under contract, however, at that time and instant he wasn't playing very well and the consensus was that because he is due something like 10 mil next year and Kolb is sitting there on the bench, the staff would pull a GB/Lord Dickhead move.

Truth be told, the outcry from the fans wouldn't be anywere near what we saw up in PUKER land.......there are alot of Iggles fans out there that just flat don't like Donovan and are ready to move on.

I for one still think something might happen in that regard.

marstc09
01-20-2009, 08:18 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


EAGLES REITERATE THAT REID AND MCNABB WILL BE BACK

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/19/eagles-reiterate-that-reid-and-mcnabb-will-be-back/

And to think I got my hopes up for nothing....... :'(

JK, anyone notice how accurate McNabb was on most of his throws during the game.
Sure were some chokers out there that missed the mark.

I can/could see that happening if he was getting alot of pressure but in most cases he was off the mark and wasn't getting any pressure at all......

Maybe he isnt a good option..... :o


It would help if his WRs would actually catch something. Drops in a NFC Championship games are costly.

marstc09
01-20-2009, 08:21 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


EAGLES REITERATE THAT REID AND MCNABB WILL BE BACK

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/19/eagles-reiterate-that-reid-and-mcnabb-will-be-back/

And to think I got my hopes up for nothing....... :'(

JK, anyone notice how accurate McNabb was on most of his throws during the game.
Sure were some chokers out there that missed the mark.

I can/could see that happening if he was getting alot of pressure but in most cases he was off the mark and wasn't getting any pressure at all......

Maybe he isnt a good option..... :o


Still don't know why people even thought McNabb was a possibility. Hell, his contract isn't even up for several years yet, I believe.

Well he is under contract, however, at that time and instant he wasn't playing very well and the consensus was that because he is due something like 10 mil next year and Kolb is sitting there on the bench, the staff would pull a GB/Lord Dickhead move.

Truth be told, the outcry from the fans wouldn't be anywere near what we saw up in PUKER land.......there are alot of Iggles fans out there that just flat don't like Donovan and are ready to move on.

I for one still think something might happen in that regard.


Exactly, anything can happen. Contracts mean nothing in the NFL. If I was McNabb I would want out. They never get him any WRs. He could easily pull a Brett Favre.

Marrdro
01-20-2009, 09:37 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


EAGLES REITERATE THAT REID AND MCNABB WILL BE BACK

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/19/eagles-reiterate-that-reid-and-mcnabb-will-be-back/

And to think I got my hopes up for nothing....... :'(

JK, anyone notice how accurate McNabb was on most of his throws during the game.
Sure were some chokers out there that missed the mark.

I can/could see that happening if he was getting alot of pressure but in most cases he was off the mark and wasn't getting any pressure at all......

Maybe he isnt a good option..... :o


It would help if his WRs would actually catch something. Drops in a NFC Championship games are costly.

I hear ya, however, even you would have to admit his was off with alot of his throws.

Storm
01-21-2009, 05:22 AM
McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

Prophet
01-21-2009, 06:14 AM
"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am retarded.

jdvike
01-21-2009, 06:32 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am retarded.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.

Storm
01-21-2009, 06:44 AM
Dear challenged hillbilly lovers:

Do you want to stick with our current QB crew?

Do you want to draft a rookie?

Or do you want to sign a free agent? If so, who do you think will be available that would suite us better than McNabb?

ThorSPL
01-21-2009, 08:23 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am retarded.


I may have a new sig, thanks Prophet!

Marrdro
01-21-2009, 08:36 AM
"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.

johnnyfrey12
01-21-2009, 08:45 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.

I want a QB who can at least GET US TO BIG GAMES and then choke...not a QB who chokes in the regular season...

thorshammer
01-21-2009, 08:46 AM
I like McNabb but his history in big games is pretty questionable .... I don't think he's the answer ....
great guy but I don't think he can win the big one .... he always seems "off" when it matters in really big games ... seems to loose his focus.

Marrdro
01-21-2009, 09:07 AM
"johnnyfrey12" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.

I want a QB who can at least GET US TO BIG GAMES and then choke...not a QB who chokes in the regular season...

.......Followed by the proverbial.....WHO for instance...... ::)

ejmat
01-21-2009, 05:37 PM
"jdvike" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am retarded.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.

jdvike
01-21-2009, 06:26 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am retarded.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.

Hmmmm I seem to recall him missing several wide open receivers early in the game...balls thrown over heads, balls thrown in the dirt...If he would have connected with some of these receivers early, the game would not have been close.

And don't get me started on all his other big game chokes...The Super Bowl comes to mind for one.

He won't come cheap, and I for one do not want to give up the picks, and the cash it will take to get him in the first place.

JMO

kevoncox
01-21-2009, 06:39 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.

ejmat
01-21-2009, 08:56 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

kevoncox
01-21-2009, 08:58 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:




McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.


Whose better Brees?
Look at his weapons!

singersp
01-22-2009, 04:46 AM
"Prophet" wrote:



My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am retarded.



Admitting you are a tard is the first step.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/tards/retard2.jpg

El Vikingo
01-22-2009, 04:50 AM
"Prophet" wrote:




My name is Prophet and
I am retarded.


Tell me something I don´t know

jdvike
01-22-2009, 06:40 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:




McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.

Storm
01-22-2009, 07:12 AM
Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.

jdvike
01-22-2009, 07:30 AM
"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.

I'm interested to hear how many draft picks we should give up for McNabb?

I didn't say DM wasn't good I just said he isn't good in big games.

QB's better than DM dont hit the free agent market, except maybe for Brees a few years back, and that was because of his injury concerns.

Comparing McNabb to free agents is not realistic since DM will come at a very steep price and the F.A.(except for the contract) are... FREE.

singersp
01-22-2009, 07:33 AM
"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.

jdvike
01-22-2009, 07:36 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.

So it is written...So it shall be done?
:P
;D

Ltrey33
01-22-2009, 07:41 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


That may not be 100% true. The owner says Reid and McNabb will be back....but there may be one more snag.

McNabb wants to renegotiate his contract for more guaranteed money and there is talk that the Eagles will do that this offseason because McNabb has the option to void his contract after next season. If those negotiations his a snag, or it comes out that Donovan actually wants a trade, things could heat right back up.

Prophet
01-22-2009, 08:09 AM
"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:






McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



+1

Although if it ever came to fruition he would be near the end of his career and it would just buy time to groom someone.
I want nothing short of a SB win and I don't care if it's TJack or anyone else if they get the job done.
People like McNabb are called the '95 percenters'.
Really good at doing better than most and appear to not have what it needs to get to the next level for whatever reason.
We have all seen them in our professional lives, people that fold under pressure and are better than average when the pressure is off.

marstc09
01-22-2009, 08:23 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"johnnyfrey12" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.

I want a QB who can at least GET US TO BIG GAMES and then choke...not a QB who chokes in the regular season...

.......Followed by the proverbial.....WHO for instance...... ::)


Daunte Culpepper

marstc09
01-22-2009, 08:24 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


EAGLES REITERATE THAT REID AND MCNABB WILL BE BACK

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/19/eagles-reiterate-that-reid-and-mcnabb-will-be-back/

And to think I got my hopes up for nothing....... :'(

JK, anyone notice how accurate McNabb was on most of his throws during the game.
Sure were some chokers out there that missed the mark.

I can/could see that happening if he was getting alot of pressure but in most cases he was off the mark and wasn't getting any pressure at all......

Maybe he isnt a good option..... :o


It would help if his WRs would actually catch something. Drops in a NFC Championship games are costly.

I hear ya, however, even you would have to admit his was off with alot of his throws.


Maybe he was sick again.

singersp
01-22-2009, 08:26 AM
Vikings' quarterback options shrinking? (http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html)

By John Holler
VikingUpdate.com

Posted Jan 20, 2009



The Vikings haven’t fully committed to Tarvaris Jackson as their starting quarterback in 2009, but two of the more attractive possibilities from around the league likely will be staying put....

marstc09
01-22-2009, 08:28 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.


What about the huge bomb that got them back in the game? What about that spark that caused a comeback? What about a Kurt Warner that was almost flawless, tearing up a dominant Eagles D? I guess a few bad throws makes him a unworthy QB for us. In that case Gus should not even crack the roster but you want him back.

NordicNed
01-22-2009, 08:29 AM
Until McNabb is signed to a new contract, he's still up for grabs in my book.
I'de welcome him with opened arms here.
He's still way better than anyone we have at the QB position right now. If Wilf and his staff of support and coaches are serious about winning a Super Bowl in the near future, McNabb is just the type of QB we are going to have to bring in to get it done.
I'll tell you all right now, TJ sure as hell isn't going to win us any Super Bowl soon...... This may be just the change that McNabb needs, to get that monkey off his back.

marstc09
01-22-2009, 08:30 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


+1, My dad was ripping on him like some here. I asked him to name one Eagles WR. He shut up quickly.

marstc09
01-22-2009, 08:33 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:






McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.


Whose better Brees?
Look at his weapons!


Brett Favre.
;) I might stick Kurt Warner up there.

marstc09
01-22-2009, 08:36 AM
"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:






McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



Why is it that when teams make it to the Championship games and Super Bowls and lose it is called a choke?
??? Man I hate that!

Prophet
01-22-2009, 08:38 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



Why is it that when teams make it to the Championship games and Super Bowls and lose it is called a choke?
??? Man I hate that!


I would say that when it's consistent over time it is fair to question.


Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship.. ..0-1 in the Super Bowl.

ThorSPL
01-22-2009, 08:43 AM
"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


He isn't a free agent.. apples to oranges.

kevoncox
01-22-2009, 08:45 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



+1

Although if it ever came to fruition he would be near the end of his career and it would just buy time to groom someone.
I want nothing short of a SB win and I don't care if it's TJack or anyone else if they get the job done.
People like McNabb are called the '95 percenters'.
Really good at doing better than most and appear to not have what it needs to get to the next level for whatever reason.
We have all seen them in our professional lives, people that fold under pressure and are better than average when the pressure is off.


95%ers? There have only been 43 superbowl winning QBs( actually less because most of thoses are repeats). Does that mean every other Qb in NFL history is
a 95 %er? What separates him from Peyton? A few years back Peyton could not win the "big game" and his team had some of the best offensive talent in the league. The fact of the matter is, it takes a lot of skill to get to the NFCC game. Hell we haven't been there in so long. At this point any Qb that gets me there gives us a chance to get to the Superbowl. Only us Vikings fan would bash a guy that has gotten his team to a level that none of our Qbs has. McNabb is a gamer. You may think he chokes but they lost the Superbowl by 3 points. Not the definition of a choke job if you ask me.

I rather have a chance to get over the top each year than make the playoffs 2 times in 8 years. Even if we stall out at the NFCCG at least we would probably have a new stadium and we could get some respect in league circles.

kevoncox
01-22-2009, 08:46 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:










McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Why is it that when teams make it to the Championship games and Super Bowls and lose it is called a choke?
??? Man I hate that!


I would say that when it's consistent over time it is fair to question.


Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship.. ..0-1 in the Super Bowl.


Superbowl winning Qbs this decade.

Big Ben
Manning
Eli
Brady

Everyone else in the league is a choke artist!!!!!!

marstc09
01-22-2009, 08:47 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?

kevoncox
01-22-2009, 08:49 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.


What about the huge bomb that got them back in the game? What about that spark that caused a comeback? What about a Kurt Warner that was almost flawless, tearing up a dominant Eagles D? I guess a few bad throws makes him a unworthy QB for us. In that case Gus should not even crack the roster but you want him back.


We don't agree much but i agree with you. I don't get it! The one year he had a WR they got to the Superbowl and lost to a very good Pats team by 3. Every other year he played with lessor talent and a B. Westbrook that always has a sprained knee come playoff time.

VikingLance
01-22-2009, 08:56 AM
Call me misinformed..... (I'm waiting)

Is Andy Reid returning as the Eagles HC next year?
Or is there some question as for his return?
(Due to his kids trouble)
For some reason I am under that impression, although I couldn't find anything on it.
(I didn't look real hard though).

I think if they got a new head coach, that would be the time to clean house.
(Just like Chilly & Culpepper).
He would be a definite improvement.
With his and Chilly's past, I would think Minny would be the first place he looks too.
Can we afford him?
Once we get him, we should pick up TO from Dallas too.....it would be like a class reunion......

Full disclosure, I really dislike McNabb.
Why, He reminds me of Favre.
Whinny.
Don't get me wrong, he is an elite quarterback, but like Favre, after you've been beaten down a few times, I tend to dislike the guy.

So, If we were to get McNabb, I think we would instantly be one of the trendy picks for 2009-2010 postseason dominance.

marstc09
01-22-2009, 09:03 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.


What about the huge bomb that got them back in the game? What about that spark that caused a comeback? What about a Kurt Warner that was almost flawless, tearing up a dominant Eagles D? I guess a few bad throws makes him a unworthy QB for us. In that case Gus should not even crack the roster but you want him back.


We don't agree much but i agree with you. I don't get it! The one year he had a WR they got to the Superbowl and lost to a very good Pats team by 3. Every other year he played with lessor talent and a B. Westbrook that always has a sprained knee come playoff time.


Actually lately I agree with 100% of your posts. I can't remember any that I have not liked in a while. Well except for the Buress thread. Although you might get the last laugh since the Giants want him back.

kevoncox
01-22-2009, 09:06 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.


What about the huge bomb that got them back in the game? What about that spark that caused a comeback? What about a Kurt Warner that was almost flawless, tearing up a dominant Eagles D? I guess a few bad throws makes him a unworthy QB for us. In that case Gus should not even crack the roster but you want him back.


We don't agree much but i agree with you. I don't get it! The one year he had a WR they got to the Superbowl and lost to a very good Pats team by 3. Every other year he played with lessor talent and a B. Westbrook that always has a sprained knee come playoff time.


Actually lately I agree with 100% of your posts. I can't remember any that I have not liked in a while. Well except for the Buress thread. Although you might get the last laugh since the Giants want him back.


Lol....Get me McNabb and we will call it even.

SKOL
01-22-2009, 09:35 AM
"VikingLance" wrote:


Once we get him, we should pick up TO from Dallas too.....it would be like a class reunion......


I hope you were being funny, because I'm guessing you were.


I think that the Chiller and TO were at each others throats in Philly.
Wasn't there a sideline tirade, during a game, that involved Chiller and TO?

marstc09
01-22-2009, 09:50 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.

After watching how he played in the NFC Championship game, I am not so sure I want him either.
Seriously, he really made some bad throws......

Behind open recievers.
Short to open recievers.
Over threw open recievers.

Of course that stuff happens, especially when you are being pressured, however, he had a pretty clean pocket for most of the game.


What about the huge bomb that got them back in the game? What about that spark that caused a comeback? What about a Kurt Warner that was almost flawless, tearing up a dominant Eagles D? I guess a few bad throws makes him a unworthy QB for us. In that case Gus should not even crack the roster but you want him back.


We don't agree much but i agree with you. I don't get it! The one year he had a WR they got to the Superbowl and lost to a very good Pats team by 3. Every other year he played with lessor talent and a B. Westbrook that always has a sprained knee come playoff time.


Actually lately I agree with 100% of your posts. I can't remember any that I have not liked in a while. Well except for the Buress thread. Although you might get the last laugh since the Giants want him back.


Lol....Get me McNabb and we will call it even.


Done....I just got off the phone with Zygi.

VikingLance
01-22-2009, 09:53 AM
Posted by: SKOL
Quote from: VikingLance on Today at 07:56:33 PM
Once we get him, we should pick up TO from Dallas too.....it would be like a class reunion......

I hope you were being funny, because I'm guessing you were.

I think that the Chiller and TO were at each others throats in Philly.
Wasn't there a sideline tirade, during a game, that involved Chiller and TO?

yes, a little sarcasm before my morning coffee boost kicked in.

jmcdon00
01-22-2009, 10:45 AM
I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008

23td
11int
Career
194td 90int

Marrdro
01-22-2009, 10:59 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php

jmcdon00
01-22-2009, 11:11 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:












McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Why is it that when teams make it to the Championship games and Super Bowls and lose it is called a choke?
??? Man I hate that!


I would say that when it's consistent over time it is fair to question.


Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship.. ..0-1 in the Super Bowl.


Superbowl winning Qbs this decade.

Big Ben
Manning
Eli
Brady

Everyone else in the league is a choke artist!!!!!!

McNabb is 9-6 in the playoffs.
12 teams make the playoffs every year. 11 teams lose the last game of the season, 1 wins the super bowl.
Peyton Manning is 7-8 in the playoffs. Take away the 1 superbowl season(4-0) and he is 3-8. Now that is choke artist. ;D

C Mac D
01-22-2009, 11:14 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


Superbowl winning Qbs this decade.

Big Ben
Manning
Eli
Brady

Everyone else in the league is a choke artist!!!!!!


Actually, you forgot Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson...

jmcdon00
01-22-2009, 11:24 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php

That is very interesting, I book marked it. I didn't realize there were so many unrestricted free agents out there. I would bet a few of those guys will be re-signed by there former teams(or franchised and traded).

Cassell: I think he is more a product of his situation. Brady shattered league records with basically the same o-line, running backs, wr's. If we could get him for a reasonable price I would be for bring him in for competition but I fear that he would cost a fortune and demand a long term deal.

Kerry Collins: Again if he was reasonably priced and okay with being a back up I would be fine with bringing him in, but I don't think that is the case. In 15 games he only threw 12tds, Tjack threw 9 in 5 games. Plus he's old and likely won't play more than 2 more seasons.

Kurt Warner: I'd probably say go get him. He played at a very high level and got his team to the super bowl, but I doubt he will be available. No guarantees with a guy his age but worth the risks IMHO.

I don't think I would give up a first round pick for any of these guys.

i_bleed_purple
01-22-2009, 11:28 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php

That is very interesting, I book marked it. I didn't realize there were so many unrestricted free agents out there. I would bet a few of those guys will be re-signed by there former teams(or franchised and traded).

Cassell: I think he is more a product of his situation. Brady shattered league records with basically the same o-line, running backs, wr's. If we could get him for a reasonable price I would be for bring him in for competition but I fear that he would cost a fortune and demand a long term deal.

Kerry Collins: Again if he was reasonably priced and okay with being a back up I would be fine with bringing him in, but I don't think that is the case. In 15 games he only threw 12tds, Tjack threw 9 in 5 games. Plus he's old and likely won't play more than 2 more seasons.

Kurt Warner: I'd probably say go get him. He played at a very high level and got his team to the super bowl, but I doubt he will be available. No guarantees with a guy his age but worth the risks IMHO.

I don't think I would give up a first round pick for any of these guys.


I bet warner will be available.
Just a feeling i'm getting.
He's getting up there in age, and Az can't keep riding him, hoping he'll bring them places.
there's a point where they have to start the Matt leinart Era in Az, and next year is it. Warner's a FA, he'll demand some good cash to come back and IMO its just time for them to move on.
They have a good group of players in place, they just need Leinart to play decent (not good or great) ball and they're in the playoffs again.

Marrdro
01-22-2009, 11:31 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php

That is very interesting, I book marked it. I didn't realize there were so many unrestricted free agents out there. I would bet a few of those guys will be re-signed by there former teams(or franchised and traded).

Cassell: I think he is more a product of his situation. Brady shattered league records with basically the same o-line, running backs, wr's. If we could get him for a reasonable price I would be for bring him in for competition but I fear that he would cost a fortune and demand a long term deal.

Kerry Collins: Again if he was reasonably priced and okay with being a back up I would be fine with bringing him in, but I don't think that is the case. In 15 games he only threw 12tds, Tjack threw 9 in 5 games. Plus he's old and likely won't play more than 2 more seasons.

Kurt Warner: I'd probably say go get him. He played at a very high level and got his team to the super bowl, but I doubt he will be available. No guarantees with a guy his age but worth the risks IMHO.

I don't think I would give up a first round pick for any of these guys.


I bet warner will be available.
Just a feeling i'm getting.
He's getting up there in age, and Az can't keep riding him, hoping he'll bring them places.
there's a point where they have to start the Matt leinart Era in Az, and next year is it. Warner's a FA, he'll demand some good cash to come back and IMO its just time for them to move on.
They have a good group of players in place, they just need Leinart to play decent (not good or great) ball and they're in the playoffs again.


Getting to look like a "Lord Dickhead"/"Rodgers" situation there in AZ isn't it.

Gonna be a serious uproar from the Fans if they don't do as good next year with Lienart at the helm.... ;D

marstc09
01-22-2009, 12:04 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php


I am thinking Carr, Kitna, and Leftwich are all strong possibilities. The Favre thing will always be there as well.

marstc09
01-22-2009, 12:13 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php

That is very interesting, I book marked it. I didn't realize there were so many unrestricted free agents out there. I would bet a few of those guys will be re-signed by there former teams(or franchised and traded).

Cassell: I think he is more a product of his situation. Brady shattered league records with basically the same o-line, running backs, wr's. If we could get him for a reasonable price I would be for bring him in for competition but I fear that he would cost a fortune and demand a long term deal.

Kerry Collins: Again if he was reasonably priced and okay with being a back up I would be fine with bringing him in, but I don't think that is the case. In 15 games he only threw 12tds, Tjack threw 9 in 5 games. Plus he's old and likely won't play more than 2 more seasons.

Kurt Warner: I'd probably say go get him. He played at a very high level and got his team to the super bowl, but I doubt he will be available. No guarantees with a guy his age but worth the risks IMHO.

I don't think I would give up a first round pick for any of these guys.


I bet warner will be available.
Just a feeling i'm getting.
He's getting up there in age, and Az can't keep riding him, hoping he'll bring them places.
there's a point where they have to start the Matt leinart Era in Az, and next year is it. Warner's a FA, he'll demand some good cash to come back and IMO its just time for them to move on.
They have a good group of players in place, they just need Leinart to play decent (not good or great) ball and they're in the playoffs again.



I hope man. Can you imagine what Warner could do on this team with the best RB in the league?
:o

bleedpurple
01-22-2009, 12:16 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php

That is very interesting, I book marked it. I didn't realize there were so many unrestricted free agents out there. I would bet a few of those guys will be re-signed by there former teams(or franchised and traded).

Cassell: I think he is more a product of his situation. Brady shattered league records with basically the same o-line, running backs, wr's. If we could get him for a reasonable price I would be for bring him in for competition but I fear that he would cost a fortune and demand a long term deal.

Kerry Collins: Again if he was reasonably priced and okay with being a back up I would be fine with bringing him in, but I don't think that is the case. In 15 games he only threw 12tds, Tjack threw 9 in 5 games. Plus he's old and likely won't play more than 2 more seasons.

Kurt Warner: I'd probably say go get him. He played at a very high level and got his team to the super bowl, but I doubt he will be available. No guarantees with a guy his age but worth the risks IMHO.

I don't think I would give up a first round pick for any of these guys.


I bet warner will be available.
Just a feeling i'm getting.
He's getting up there in age, and Az can't keep riding him, hoping he'll bring them places.
there's a point where they have to start the Matt leinart Era in Az, and next year is it. Warner's a FA, he'll demand some good cash to come back and IMO its just time for them to move on.
They have a good group of players in place, they just need Leinart to play decent (not good or great) ball and they're in the playoffs again.



sorry but WRRRRONG!!!

No way they let him walk... he's gonna sign a nice big fat 2-3 year deal... leinhart had ride the pine for that long... hell he took them to the superbowl!

bleedpurple
01-22-2009, 12:17 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php


I am thinking Carr, Kitna, and Leftwich are all strong possibilities. The Favre thing will always be there as well.


i'm starting to think those are our best options outside of a trade...

marstc09
01-22-2009, 12:29 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php


I am thinking Carr, Kitna, and Leftwich are all strong possibilities. The Favre thing will always be there as well.


i'm starting to think those are our best options outside of a trade...


Really the only trade I see is Anderson and I don't like him much.

i_bleed_purple
01-22-2009, 12:33 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php


I am thinking Carr, Kitna, and Leftwich are all strong possibilities. The Favre thing will always be there as well.


i'm starting to think those are our best options outside of a trade...


Really the only trade I see is Anderson and I don't like him much.


we can trade our first round pick and TJ for Manning....
well it worked for me in madden... :(

bleedpurple
01-22-2009, 12:39 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php


I am thinking Carr, Kitna, and Leftwich are all strong possibilities. The Favre thing will always be there as well.


i'm starting to think those are our best options outside of a trade...


Really the only trade I see is Anderson and I don't like him much.


we can trade our first round pick and TJ for Manning....
well it worked for me in madden... :(


LOL!!!...

jmcdon00
01-22-2009, 01:00 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


I am not in favor of going out and spending draft picks and a big contract on a lot of QB's such as: Kitna, Bulger, Favre etc. I just don't feel those guys will be enough of an upgrade,if any. I think Tjack played very well in 08 and should only get better. That said I think McNabb is a huge upgrade to Tjack. He has played in a very similar offense, knows Chilly, and has a similar playing style to Tjack. I don't think the game plan would have to change much when you switch from Tjack to McNabb.
Still a very long shot and I am fairly certain the Eagles would need 2 first round picks for him, but he carried that team this year and likely isn't going anywhere for any price.
2008


23td

11int
Career
194td 90int


Here is the link I have been using to track FA's. Not alot of those cats make ya want to run right out and sign them.
My guess is the 3 or 4 that are worth anything won't be let go anyways......

Cassell
Collins
Warner


http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php


I am thinking Carr, Kitna, and Leftwich are all strong possibilities. The Favre thing will always be there as well.

Carr and Kitna don't do much for me. I like Leftwich and think he would be good competition for Tjack, and not cost too much.

ejmat
01-23-2009, 08:51 AM
"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:






McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



Not calling you retarded but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.

i_bleed_purple
01-23-2009, 09:19 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



Not calling you retarded but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.



here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.

bleedpurple
01-23-2009, 09:38 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:










McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Not calling you Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.



here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


Neither have a lot of quality QB's such as Romo, Pennington, Cutler, Carson palmer, Garrard, shaub, leftwich
so what's your point.... half of these guys have been in the league longer than tj anyway... that's a ridiculous statement...
other than pepp and cunningham, when's the last time we've been to a conference championship?... 87? or superbowl for that matter...

jdvike
01-23-2009, 09:38 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



Not calling you retarded but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO

C Mac D
01-23-2009, 09:40 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


haha, he only started 5 games this season... plus, McNabb had already started 44 games at this point compared to TJ.

Jackson has started 23.

Just a thought.


(BTW... Jackson had a better QB rating in his 3rd year than McNabb... by about 10 points.)

jdvike
01-23-2009, 09:43 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:










McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



Not calling you retarded but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.



here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.

That is a funny stat LMAO ...thanks for the grins this A.M.
;D

Prophet
01-23-2009, 09:47 AM
"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


haha, he only started 5 games this season... plus, McNabb had already started 44 games at this point compared to TJ.

Jackson has started 23.

Just a thought.


(BTW... Jackson had a better QB rating in his 3rd year than McNabb... by about 10 points.)


TJack's first year was a couple game at the end of a mind-numbing season.
So he has a little over a season in him as far as starts go.

The whole argument is silly anyway.
TJack is exactly where he should be after 20 starts, an unknown that plays inconsistently.
The problem is not TJack, it's the fact that the coaching staff has never had an open competition at the position nor has it brought in anybody that is worth a crap.
TJack was given the reigns in '07, benched with a proclamation that Frerotte will start for the rest of the season, then tossed back into the mix at the end of '08.
No, this isn't an apologist spiel, it is reality.
I think anyone that wants to honestly assess the situation will agree that TJack is a solid backup at this point in his career and nobody knows if he will be a solid starter someday.
What is pathetic is that going into the fourth year of Childress' tenure the QB slot is in disarray and needs to be addressed.
This is coming from someone that is in general support of Childress and what he has done with the team.
The QB situation blows (and no Marr, that is not regurgitating the presses bs, i have no respect for 99% of those hacks).

jmcdon00
01-23-2009, 10:03 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


haha, he only started 5 games this season... plus, McNabb had already started 44 games at this point compared to TJ.

Jackson has started 23.

Just a thought.


(BTW... Jackson had a better QB rating in his 3rd year than McNabb... by about 10 points.)


TJack's first year was a couple game at the end of a mind-numbing season.
So he has a little over a season in him as far as starts go.

The whole argument is silly anyway.
TJack is exactly where he should be after 20 starts, an unknown that plays inconsistently.
The problem is not TJack, it's the fact that the coaching staff has never had an open competition at the position nor has it brought in anybody that is worth a crap.
TJack was given the reigns in '07, benched with a proclamation that Frerotte will start for the rest of the season, then tossed back into the mix at the end of '08.
No, this isn't an apologist spiel, it is reality. I think anyone that wants to honestly assess the situation will agree that TJack is a solid backup at this point in his career and nobody knows if he will be a solid starter someday.
What is pathetic is that going into the fourth year of Childress' tenure the QB slot is in disarray and needs to be addressed.
This is coming from someone that is in general support of Childress and what he has done with the team.
The QB situation blows (and no Marr, that is not regurgitating the presses bs, i have no respect for 99% of those hacks).

Tjack is not a backup here. If he was on the Colts, Patriots, eagles, etc he would be a solid backup. In minnnesota we don't have anyone better so he is the starter.

Prophet
01-23-2009, 10:07 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


haha, he only started 5 games this season... plus, McNabb had already started 44 games at this point compared to TJ.

Jackson has started 23.

Just a thought.


(BTW... Jackson had a better QB rating in his 3rd year than McNabb... by about 10 points.)


TJack's first year was a couple game at the end of a mind-numbing season.
So he has a little over a season in him as far as starts go.

The whole argument is silly anyway.
TJack is exactly where he should be after 20 starts, an unknown that plays inconsistently.
The problem is not TJack, it's the fact that the coaching staff has never had an open competition at the position nor has it brought in anybody that is worth a crap.
TJack was given the reigns in '07, benched with a proclamation that Frerotte will start for the rest of the season, then tossed back into the mix at the end of '08.
No, this isn't an apologist spiel, it is reality. I think anyone that wants to honestly assess the situation will agree that TJack is a solid backup at this point in his career and nobody knows if he will be a solid starter someday.
What is pathetic is that going into the fourth year of Childress' tenure the QB slot is in disarray and needs to be addressed.
This is coming from someone that is in general support of Childress and what he has done with the team.
The QB situation blows (and no Marr, that is not regurgitating the presses bs, i have no respect for 99% of those hacks).

Tjack is not a backup here. If he was on the Colts, Patriots, eagles, etc he would be a solid backup. In minnnesota we don't have anyone better so he is the starter.



That's the point.
Who in their right mind would take a project QB from a rinkydink school and start them their first year?
It was just wrong from the start, especially when he was given the reigns his second year.
He's a solid backup based on his current skill set.

marstc09
01-23-2009, 10:08 AM
"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


haha, he only started 5 games this season... plus, McNabb had already started 44 games at this point compared to TJ.

Jackson has started 23.

Just a thought.


(BTW... Jackson had a better QB rating in his 3rd year than McNabb... by about 10 points.)


McNabb was also selected #2 overall:

He started 6 games his rookie year and went 2-4.
He 2nd season he started all 16 and went 11-5. Made the playoffs and won in the first round. He also made the pro bowl.
His third year he went started all 16 and went 11-5. Went to the NFC Championship game. Again he made the pro bowl.

TJ was selected 64th overall:

He started 2 games and went 0-2.
His 2nd year he started 12 games and went 8-4. No playoffs.
His third year he started 5 games and went 2-5. Lost in first round of playoffs.

TJ obviously needs more time but right now McNabb is a better QB. I don't understand how Chilly can say TJ is further along in development than Donovan was at this point. TJ has been hindered by injuries and being pulled. I guess you can say he was thrown into the fire too early but McNabb was too.

C Mac D
01-23-2009, 10:13 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


haha, he only started 5 games this season... plus, McNabb had already started 44 games at this point compared to TJ.

Jackson has started 23.

Just a thought.


(BTW... Jackson had a better QB rating in his 3rd year than McNabb... by about 10 points.)


McNabb was also selected #2 overall:

He started 6 games his rookie year and went 2-4.
He 2nd season he started all 16 and went 11-5. Made the playoffs and won in the first round. He also made the pro bowl.
His third year he went started all 16 and went 11-5. Went to the NFC Championship game. Again he made the pro bowl.

TJ was selected 64th overall:

He started 2 games and went 0-2.
His 2nd year he started 12 games and went 8-4. No playoffs.
His third year he started 5 games and went 2-5. Lost in first round of playoffs.

TJ obviously needs more time but right now McNabb is a better QB. I don't understand how Chilly can say TJ is further along in development than Donovan was at this point. TJ has been hindered by injuries and being pulled. I guess you can say he was thrown into the fire too early but McNabb was too.


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

tastywaves
01-23-2009, 10:14 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


haha, he only started 5 games this season... plus, McNabb had already started 44 games at this point compared to TJ.

Jackson has started 23.

Just a thought.


(BTW... Jackson had a better QB rating in his 3rd year than McNabb... by about 10 points.)


TJack's first year was a couple game at the end of a mind-numbing season.
So he has a little over a season in him as far as starts go.

The whole argument is silly anyway.
TJack is exactly where he should be after 20 starts, an unknown that plays inconsistently.
The problem is not TJack, it's the fact that the coaching staff has never had an open competition at the position nor has it brought in anybody that is worth a crap.
TJack was given the reigns in '07, benched with a proclamation that Frerotte will start for the rest of the season, then tossed back into the mix at the end of '08.
No, this isn't an apologist spiel, it is reality. I think anyone that wants to honestly assess the situation will agree that TJack is a solid backup at this point in his career and nobody knows if he will be a solid starter someday.
What is pathetic is that going into the fourth year of Childress' tenure the QB slot is in disarray and needs to be addressed.
This is coming from someone that is in general support of Childress and what he has done with the team.
The QB situation blows (and no Marr, that is not regurgitating the presses bs, i have no respect for 99% of those hacks).

Tjack is not a backup here. If he was on the Colts, Patriots, eagles, etc he would be a solid backup. In minnnesota we don't have anyone better so he is the starter.



Let's hope that changes going into next season, at least bring in competition and make TJ earn the spot.
The QB position is currently our biggest weakness on an otherwise solid team.
Not saying its an easy problem to solve, but hopefully there is a lot of effort going into improving this situation.
If the final answer ends up being TJ #1, Booty #2 and new draft choice as #3 then expect '09 to be another developmental year with a coach who believes he will be in Minnesota for years to come.

marstc09
01-23-2009, 10:17 AM
"C" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


here's another stat for you

TJ: 0-0 in conference championships, 0-0 in superbowls.
why? Because he can't even make it to one.


haha, he only started 5 games this season... plus, McNabb had already started 44 games at this point compared to TJ.

Jackson has started 23.

Just a thought.


(BTW... Jackson had a better QB rating in his 3rd year than McNabb... by about 10 points.)


McNabb was also selected #2 overall:

He started 6 games his rookie year and went 2-4.
He 2nd season he started all 16 and went 11-5. Made the playoffs and won in the first round. He also made the pro bowl.
His third year he went started all 16 and went 11-5. Went to the NFC Championship game. Again he made the pro bowl.

TJ was selected 64th overall:

He started 2 games and went 0-2.
His 2nd year he started 12 games and went 8-4. No playoffs.
His third year he started 5 games and went 2-5. Lost in first round of playoffs.

TJ obviously needs more time but right now McNabb is a better QB. I don't understand how Chilly can say TJ is further along in development than Donovan was at this point. TJ has been hindered by injuries and being pulled. I guess you can say he was thrown into the fire too early but McNabb was too.


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.


Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.

VikingLance
01-23-2009, 10:21 AM
Posted on: Today at 09:17:11 PM
Posted by: marstc09
Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.

Promise?

C Mac D
01-23-2009, 10:23 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.


Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.


+1... couldn't agree with
you more.

Except I see us as 8-8 next year.

marstc09
01-23-2009, 10:23 AM
"VikingLance" wrote:




Posted on: Today at 09:17:11 PM
Posted by: marstc09
Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.

Promise?


Well I am no prophet but I really do see this happening. Only Brett Favre can save us now.

marstc09
01-23-2009, 10:25 AM
"C" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.


Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.


+1... couldn't agree with
you more.

Except I see us as 8-8 next year.


With the talent on this team and a weaker schedule, I really don't see that happening.

C Mac D
01-23-2009, 10:28 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.


Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.


+1... couldn't agree with
you more.

Except I see us as 8-8 next year.


With the talent on this team and a weaker schedule, I really don't see that happening.


http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/bob_blog/bradchildress.jpg

VikingLance
01-23-2009, 10:29 AM
Quote
Posted on: Today at 09:17:11 PM
Posted by: marstc09
Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.

Promise?

Well I am no prophet but I really do see this happening. Only Brett Favre can save us now.

You know, it's funny we haven't heard much from the Favre camp for a while.

I tend to agree with you though, probably not much of a quarterback change, Childress will live and die with TJ.
We'll get Shanahan next year, Childress will become the Packers OC and take TJ with him.

El Vikingo
01-23-2009, 10:30 AM
"C" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.


Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.


+1... couldn't agree with
you more.

Except I see us as 8-8 next year.


With the talent on this team and a weaker schedule, I really don't see that happening.


http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/bob_blog/bradchildress.jpg


Huhhh?Is a conehead or something?

El Vikingo
01-23-2009, 10:59 AM
"VikingLance" wrote:


[quote]
Quote
Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.




Seeing the FA Market ,you ccan be rite .We can always wait and see what happens in Cleveland with his 2 Qb.I d take DA in a heartbeat

Marrdro
01-23-2009, 11:10 AM
"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

Even I have issues with the Chiller, but I hardly think his agenda is to undermine the Vikings Fan Base my friend.

UMD_Bleeds_Purple
01-23-2009, 11:14 AM
I know Mcnabb lit it up and everything but with another eagles slide at the end of the year and another dissapointment, is it time for them to start over?! if so will they trade Mcnabb?

just trying to get this back on topic

VKG4LFE
01-23-2009, 03:00 PM
This is an interesting debate. McNabb is a heckuvalot better than any qb we have, but how long will he be around for if he were to come to us, and how long would he be productive?

The thing I'm most worried about is wasting a GREAT talent like Peterson, a la Moss.

bleedpurple
01-23-2009, 03:07 PM
"El" wrote:


"VikingLance" wrote:


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Well I have a feeling the QB situation will not get fixed. TJ will end up injured or benched again for some backup that will never get it done. We will go 10-6 again and slide into the playoffs only to get ripped apart by a way better QB. We have to suffer with him for one more year. Then the nightmare will be over.




Seeing the FA Market ,you ccan be rite .We can always wait and see what happens in Cleveland with his 2 Qb.I d take DA in a heartbeat


thank you!!.. another voice of reason!!

C Mac D
01-23-2009, 03:18 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

Even I have issues with the Chiller, but I hardly think his agenda is to undermine the Vikings Fan Base my friend.


Interpret it how you will, but he obviosly wasn't being honest with the Vikings fan base when he said TJack was further along than McNabb...

It's actually a laughable quote... so I'm actually right either way:

1.) He's undermining the Vikings Fan Base by saying TJack is "progressing better" than McNabb at this point in his career so he can keep Vikings fans quiet while he goes into another season without a true starting QB.

or...

2.) He's just that stupid that he actually thought TJack was further along than McNabb... and he probably isn't fit to be a head coach in the NFL.


I'm actually going with the #2 answer there.

marstc09
01-23-2009, 03:43 PM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

Even I have issues with the Chiller, but I hardly think his agenda is to undermine the Vikings Fan Base my friend.


Interpret it how you will, but he obviosly wasn't being honest with the Vikings fan base when he said TJack was further along than McNabb...

It's actually a laughable quote... so I'm actually right either way:

1.) He's undermining the Vikings Fan Base by saying TJack is "progressing better" than McNabb at this point in his career so he can keep Vikings fans quiet while he goes into another season without a true starting QB.

or...

2.) He's just that stupid that he actually thought TJack was further along than McNabb... and he probably isn't fit to be a head coach in the NFL.


I'm actually going with the #2 answer there.


Valid point. Fuck Childress.

bleedpurple
01-23-2009, 03:49 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

Even I have issues with the Chiller, but I hardly think his agenda is to undermine the Vikings Fan Base My Sexy Little Pixie.


Interpret it how you will, but he obviosly wasn't being honest with the Vikings fan base when he said TJack was further along than McNabb...

It's actually a laughable quote... so I'm actually right either way:

1.) He's undermining the Vikings Fan Base by saying TJack is "progressing better" than McNabb at this point in his career so he can keep Vikings fans quiet while he goes into another season without a true starting QB.

or...

2.) He's just that stupid that he actually thought TJack was further along than McNabb... and he probably isn't fit to be a head coach in the NFL.


I'm actually going with the #2 answer there.


Valid point. floop Childress.


Well considering he brought in guys like Kelly Holcolm and bollinger, Henson, and Tjack, cut Thigpen... I'd go with that latter statement and say as far as QB's he has no idea what he's talking about!!!

Purple Floyd
01-23-2009, 03:52 PM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

Even I have issues with the Chiller, but I hardly think his agenda is to undermine the Vikings Fan Base my friend.


Interpret it how you will, but he obviosly wasn't being honest with the Vikings fan base when he said TJack was further along than McNabb...

It's actually a laughable quote... so I'm actually right either way:

1.) He's undermining the Vikings Fan Base by saying TJack is "progressing better" than McNabb at this point in his career so he can keep Vikings fans quiet while he goes into another season without a true starting QB.

or...

2.) He's just that stupid that he actually thought TJack was further along than McNabb... and he probably isn't fit to be a head coach in the NFL.


I'm actually going with the #2 answer there.


Boggles the mind doesn't it? ;D

ejmat
01-23-2009, 06:19 PM
"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:










McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



Not calling you retarded but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO




You totally are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
The only thing I question is the stats you threw out to prove your point.
The game of football has several variables so sometimes stats mean nothing.
I'll give you an example.
Big Ben had a 22 QB rating nd 123 yards passing when Pitt won the superbowl.
If you look at that stat you would think they lost.
Stats really mean nothing to me unless it is something that shows the variables.
I will show you a stat I like about TJ.
After he threw the INT against the Eagles he came back and drove the team down the field.
To me that's a stat that means something.
But mentioning completion rate in certain games doesn't say that McNabb is a choke artist imo.

By the way there is nothing wrong with your opinion.
It is what it is and that is okay.
I just believe this team would be better with a guy like McNabb.
Is he long term?
No.
But football is all about the short term these days.

singersp
01-23-2009, 07:14 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


Until McNabb is signed to a new contract, he's still up for grabs in my book.....



??? He's already been signed thru 2013, 7 years ago....

McNabb to sign biggest contract in NFL history (http://www.addictsports.com/baseball/showthread.php?t=13465)

The Philadelphia Eagles and quarterback Donovan McNabb have agreed on a contract extension.

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli has confirmed it is a 12-year deal worth $115 million, giving the 25-year-old McNabb the biggest contract in NFL history.

McNabb's deal runs through 2013, and includes a $20.5 million signing bonus, his agent, Fletcher Smith, told The Associated Press.....

singersp
01-23-2009, 07:23 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.



LMAO! Yet you rip on Jackson as if he had an elite WR corp.

McNabb has benefited from the likes of T.O., Westbrook, Jackson & Pinkston.

singersp
01-23-2009, 07:31 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html

ItalianStallion
01-23-2009, 07:44 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.



LMAO! Yet you rip on Jackson as if he had an elite WR corp.

McNabb has benefited from the likes of T.O., Westbrook, Jackson & Pinkston.


TO for 1.5 seasons
Westbrook is not a WR
Jackson is a rookie
and Pinkston is terrible

We have better WRs right now than the Eagles have for most of McNabb's career (except maybe the 1.5 Owens seasons)

singersp
01-23-2009, 07:48 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:



I bet warner will be available.
Just a feeling i'm getting.
He's getting up there in age, and Az can't keep riding him, hoping he'll bring them places.
there's a point where they have to start the Matt leinart Era in Az, and next year is it. Warner's a FA, he'll demand some good cash to come back and IMO its just time for them to move on.
They have a good group of players in place, they just need Leinart to play decent (not good or great) ball and they're in the playoffs again.



Matt Leinart has had 3 years, started 16 games (played in 20) to prove himself. He has failed.

His record is 7-9, has only 14 TD's to his record, a 55.8 completion record, thrown 17 INT's & has a 71.7 QB rating. Worse than TJ.

Face it, time for Arizona to give up on the Matt Leinart project & move on with Warner & St. Pierre & pick up a QB in the draft.

**sarcasm off**


BTW, where are all those sniffers now who wanted the Vikings to trade up in the draft & select Lineart?

Marrdro
01-24-2009, 07:36 AM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

Even I have issues with the Chiller, but I hardly think his agenda is to undermine the Vikings Fan Base My Sexy Little Pixie.


Interpret it how you will, but he obviosly wasn't being honest with the Vikings fan base when he said TJack was further along than McNabb...

It's actually a laughable quote... so I'm actually right either way:

1.) He's undermining the Vikings Fan Base by saying TJack is "progressing better" than McNabb at this point in his career so he can keep Vikings fans quiet while he goes into another season without a true starting QB.

or...

2.) He's just that stupid that he actually thought TJack was further along than McNabb... and he probably isn't fit to be a head coach in the NFL.


I'm actually going with the #2 answer there.

Orrrrrrrrr

3.) He knew all along that again, the FO hadn't given him a better option and he was just giving us fans the party line with respect to the situation....

I mean seriously, do you really think that this staff hasn't tried to do something about our QB situation?
All indications were that they were trying to address it last offseason even though they weren't successfull.

That equates to someone not thinking we were set going into last year.......If one were to really look at how a real NFL organization/staff works, my guess is it was more than just one of the Triadthingamajib thinking that way.

But hey, if that was true then you couldn't keep going off with your Chiller this and Chiller that diatribe now could you..... ;D

Marrdro
01-24-2009, 07:38 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:



I bet warner will be available.
Just a feeling i'm getting.
He's getting up there in age, and Az can't keep riding him, hoping he'll bring them places.
there's a point where they have to start the Matt leinart Era in Az, and next year is it. Warner's a FA, he'll demand some good cash to come back and IMO its just time for them to move on.
They have a good group of players in place, they just need Leinart to play decent (not good or great) ball and they're in the playoffs again.



Matt Leinart has had 3 years, started 16 games (played in 20) to prove himself. He has failed.

His record is 7-9, has only 14 TD's to his record, a 55.8 completion record, thrown 17 INT's & has a 71.7 QB rating. Worse than TJ.

Face it, time for Arizona to give up on the Matt Leinart project & move on with Warner & St. Pierre & pick up a QB in the draft.

**sarcasm off**


BTW, where are all those sniffers now who wanted the Vikings to trade up in the draft & select Lineart?

They are worried that one of us smart asses might go use the "Advanced Search" function and start pulling up quotes on themmmmmmmmmm.
;D

marstc09
01-24-2009, 08:05 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.



LMAO! Yet you rip on Jackson as if he had an elite WR corp.

McNabb has benefited from the likes of T.O., Westbrook, Jackson & Pinkston.


I am sure McNabb would give his right nut for Berrian.

marstc09
01-24-2009, 08:07 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.

marstc09
01-24-2009, 08:09 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

Even I have issues with the Chiller, but I hardly think his agenda is to undermine the Vikings Fan Base My Sexy Little Pixie.


Interpret it how you will, but he obviosly wasn't being honest with the Vikings fan base when he said TJack was further along than McNabb...

It's actually a laughable quote... so I'm actually right either way:

1.) He's undermining the Vikings Fan Base by saying TJack is "progressing better" than McNabb at this point in his career so he can keep Vikings fans quiet while he goes into another season without a true starting QB.

or...

2.) He's just that stupid that he actually thought TJack was further along than McNabb... and he probably isn't fit to be a head coach in the NFL.


I'm actually going with the #2 answer there.

Orrrrrrrrr

3.) He knew all along that again, the FO hadn't given him a better option and he was just giving us fans the party line with respect to the situation....

I mean seriously, do you really think that this staff hasn't tried to do something about our QB situation?
All indications were that they were trying to address it last offseason even though they weren't successfull.

That equates to someone not thinking we were set going into last year.......If one were to really look at how a real NFL organization/staff works, my guess is it was more than just one of the Triadthingamajib thinking that way.

But hey, if that was true then you couldn't keep going off with your Chiller this and Chiller that diatribe now could you..... ;D


or you could blame the kicker.

Purple Floyd
01-24-2009, 08:50 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Childress is out to save his own job... it's all just about PR and how the public buys into it.

If he really thought TJack was further along than McNabb... do you really think he'd bench him after the second game of the season.

You just have to see Childress for what he is, which is nothing, and rise above his attempts to undermine the Vikings fan base.

Even I have issues with the Chiller, but I hardly think his agenda is to undermine the Vikings Fan Base My Sexy Little Pixie.


Interpret it how you will, but he obviosly wasn't being honest with the Vikings fan base when he said TJack was further along than McNabb...

It's actually a laughable quote... so I'm actually right either way:

1.) He's undermining the Vikings Fan Base by saying TJack is "progressing better" than McNabb at this point in his career so he can keep Vikings fans quiet while he goes into another season without a true starting QB.

or...

2.) He's just that stupid that he actually thought TJack was further along than McNabb... and he probably isn't fit to be a head coach in the NFL.


I'm actually going with the #2 answer there.

Orrrrrrrrr

3.) He knew all along that again, the FO hadn't given him a better option and he was just giving us fans the party line with respect to the situation....

I mean seriously, do you really think that this staff hasn't tried to do something about our QB situation?
All indications were that they were trying to address it last offseason even though they weren't successfull.

That equates to someone not thinking we were set going into last year.......If one were to really look at how a real NFL organization/staff works, my guess is it was more than just one of the Triadthingamajib thinking that way.

But hey, if that was true then you couldn't keep going off with your Chiller this and Chiller that diatribe now could you..... ;D


or you could blame the kicker.


He is right. Chldress has tried to do something with the QB position.

That is why he brought in Henson, McMahon, Bollinger, Holcolm, O'Sullivan
and maybe even a few other high caliber QB's to stack the deck in our favor.

Face it. what team has amasssed more talent at the QB position than the Vikings in the past 3 years?
Only Dallas with the additions of johnson and Bollinger come to mind as being close.

jdvike
01-24-2009, 09:10 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:












McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some damn good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me retarded.



Not calling you retarded but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO




You totally are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
The only thing I question is the stats you threw out to prove your point.
The game of football has several variables so sometimes stats mean nothing.
I'll give you an example.
Big Ben had a 22 QB rating nd 123 yards passing when Pitt won the superbowl.
If you look at that stat you would think they lost.
Stats really mean nothing to me unless it is something that shows the variables.
I will show you a stat I like about TJ.
After he threw the INT against the Eagles he came back and drove the team down the field.
To me that's a stat that means something.
But mentioning completion rate in certain games doesn't say that McNabb is a choke artist imo.

By the way there is nothing wrong with your opinion.
It is what it is and that is okay.
I just believe this team would be better with a guy like McNabb.
Is he long term?
No.
But football is all about the short term these days.

So since he is not a long term solution, and he has a penchant for throwing dirt balls and air balls...and also has missed several games in the last 5 years...has yet to win the big game(oops ;))...and is towards the end of his career...what is a gem like that worth to you?

I'm guessing if he was available for a trade(which it doesn't appear that he is), you would have to give up several high draft picks, and maybe even some warm bodies.

What is he worth to you?

If we could get him for a third rounder and maybe a conditional pick next year(not gonna happen) then he would be worth it...otherwise I would rather see us mortgage our future on someone that would be with us for 7 or 8 more years.

singersp
01-24-2009, 09:38 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He is right. Chldress has tried to do something with the QB position.

That is why he brought in Henson, McMahon, Bollinger, Holcolm, O'Sullivan
and maybe even a few other high caliber QB's to stack the deck in our favor.

Face it. what team has amasssed more talent at the QB position than the Vikings in the past 3 years?
Only Dallas with the additions of johnson and Bollinger come to mind as being close.


You forgot Koy Detmer.

jdvike
01-24-2009, 09:48 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He is right. Chldress has tried to do something with the QB position.

That is why he brought in Henson, McMahon, Bollinger, Holcolm, O'Sullivan
and maybe even a few other high caliber QB's to stack the deck in our favor.

Face it. what team has amasssed more talent at the QB position than the Vikings in the past 3 years?
Only Dallas with the additions of johnson and Bollinger come to mind as being close.


You forgot Koy Detmer.




Doesn't everyone?
;)

kevoncox
01-24-2009, 11:17 AM
"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:














McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Not calling you Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO




You totally are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
The only thing I question is the stats you threw out to prove your point.
The game of football has several variables so sometimes stats mean nothing.
I'll give you an example.
Big Ben had a 22 QB rating nd 123 yards passing when Pitt won the superbowl.
If you look at that stat you would think they lost.
Stats really mean nothing to me unless it is something that shows the variables.
I will show you a stat I like about TJ.
After he threw the INT against the Eagles he came back and drove the team down the field.
To me that's a stat that means something.
But mentioning completion rate in certain games doesn't say that McNabb is a choke artist imo.

By the way there is nothing wrong with your opinion.
It is what it is and that is okay.
I just believe this team would be better with a guy like McNabb.
Is he long term?
No.
But football is all about the short term these days.

So since he is not a long term solution, and he has a penchant for throwing dirt balls and air balls...and also has missed several games in the last 5 years...has yet to win the big game(oops ;))...and is towards the end of his career...what is a gem like that worth to you?

I'm guessing if he was available for a trade(which it doesn't appear that he is), you would have to give up several high draft picks, and maybe even some warm bodies.

What is he worth to you?

If we could get him for a third rounder and maybe a conditional pick next year(not gonna happen) then he would be worth it...otherwise I would rather see us mortgage our future on someone that would be with us for 7 or 8 more years.


You can't be serious! You want to talk about McNabbs accuracy but not TJ? Lets talk about his elusiveness, his intelligence and hit ability to read defenses, all things TJ show no signs of improving. Only in Vike land would we reject a pro bowl caliber QB. Listen our Qb situations sucks. I'm sick of the excuses, it's the WR not getting seperation, it's the oline not blocking etc. No it's our Qb looking and playing like sh*t when the game is on the line. The one year McNabb has a talented WR corps he went to the superbowl. Add in a running back that can pound the rock like AD, a Westbrook lite back like CT and McNabb has all the tools and windows to win it all here. In Phili he has to make everyone better, here he simply has to play ball. That is what we need. Why can't you all see that. If our team made Tj look polished completing 7 of 10 yards.

jdvike
01-24-2009, 01:23 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:
















McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Not calling you Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO




You totally are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
The only thing I question is the stats you threw out to prove your point.
The game of football has several variables so sometimes stats mean nothing.
I'll give you an example.
Big Ben had a 22 QB rating nd 123 yards passing when Pitt won the superbowl.
If you look at that stat you would think they lost.
Stats really mean nothing to me unless it is something that shows the variables.
I will show you a stat I like about TJ.
After he threw the INT against the Eagles he came back and drove the team down the field.
To me that's a stat that means something.
But mentioning completion rate in certain games doesn't say that McNabb is a choke artist imo.

By the way there is nothing wrong with your opinion.
It is what it is and that is okay.
I just believe this team would be better with a guy like McNabb.
Is he long term?
No.
But football is all about the short term these days.

So since he is not a long term solution, and he has a penchant for throwing dirt balls and air balls...and also has missed several games in the last 5 years...has yet to win the big game(oops ;))...and is towards the end of his career...what is a gem like that worth to you?

I'm guessing if he was available for a trade(which it doesn't appear that he is), you would have to give up several high draft picks, and maybe even some warm bodies.

What is he worth to you?

If we could get him for a third rounder and maybe a conditional pick next year(not gonna happen) then he would be worth it...otherwise I would rather see us mortgage our future on someone that would be with us for 7 or 8 more years.


You can't be serious! You want to talk about McNabbs accuracy but not TJ? Lets talk about his elusiveness, his intelligence and hit ability to read defenses, all things TJ show no signs of improving. Only in Vike land would we reject a pro bowl caliber QB. Listen our Qb situations sucks. I'm sick of the excuses, it's the WR not getting seperation, it's the oline not blocking etc. No it's our Qb looking and playing like sh*t when the game is on the line. The one year McNabb has a talented WR corps he went to the superbowl. Add in a running back that can pound the rock like AD, a Westbrook lite back like CT and McNabb has all the tools and windows to win it all here. In Phili he has to make everyone better, here he simply has to play ball. That is what we need. Why can't you all see that. If our team made Tj look polished completing 7 of 10 yards.

You say we can't make excuses for T.J.(of which I have never done) but you can for McNabb.
Make up your mind why don't ya...double standard much?

Just because McNabb is better than T.J. doesn't make him a guy worthy of a slew of high draft picks...everyone is always saying ...well hes better than T.J.
Not setting the bar too high are we.


Wasn't it you that said the Roy Williams trade was such a good one...how did that work out for ya?...seems you are an expert on trades too. LOL
*getting ready for the list of excuses on why that didn't work*



Why will no one estimate McNabb's trade value...you all say I want him I want him...but no one will say how much you are willing to give up for him.

Lets hear it kevoncox a.k.a. trade expert...what is he worth?

jdvike
01-24-2009, 01:30 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:
















McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Not calling you Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO




You totally are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
The only thing I question is the stats you threw out to prove your point.
The game of football has several variables so sometimes stats mean nothing.
I'll give you an example.
Big Ben had a 22 QB rating nd 123 yards passing when Pitt won the superbowl.
If you look at that stat you would think they lost.
Stats really mean nothing to me unless it is something that shows the variables.
I will show you a stat I like about TJ.
After he threw the INT against the Eagles he came back and drove the team down the field.
To me that's a stat that means something.
But mentioning completion rate in certain games doesn't say that McNabb is a choke artist imo.

By the way there is nothing wrong with your opinion.
It is what it is and that is okay.
I just believe this team would be better with a guy like McNabb.
Is he long term?
No.
But football is all about the short term these days.

So since he is not a long term solution, and he has a penchant for throwing dirt balls and air balls...and also has missed several games in the last 5 years...has yet to win the big game(oops ;))...and is towards the end of his career...what is a gem like that worth to you?

I'm guessing if he was available for a trade(which it doesn't appear that he is), you would have to give up several high draft picks, and maybe even some warm bodies.

What is he worth to you?

If we could get him for a third rounder and maybe a conditional pick next year(not gonna happen) then he would be worth it...otherwise I would rather see us mortgage our future on someone that would be with us for 7 or 8 more years.


You can't be serious! You want to talk about McNabbs accuracy but not TJ? Lets talk about his elusiveness, his intelligence and hit ability to read defenses, all things TJ show no signs of improving. Only in Vike land would we reject a pro bowl caliber QB. Listen our Qb situations sucks. I'm sick of the excuses, it's the WR not getting seperation, it's the oline not blocking etc. No it's our Qb looking and playing like sh*t when the game is on the line. The one year McNabb has a talented WR corps he went to the superbowl. Add in a running back that can pound the rock like AD, a Westbrook lite back like CT and McNabb has all the tools and windows to win it all here. In Phili he has to make everyone better, here he simply has to play ball. That is what we need. Why can't you all see that. If our team made Tj look polished completing 7 of 10 yards.

Oh and btw...how do you complete 7 out of 10 yards.
???

kevoncox
01-24-2009, 02:47 PM
"jdvike" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


















McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Not calling you Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO




You totally are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
The only thing I question is the stats you threw out to prove your point.
The game of football has several variables so sometimes stats mean nothing.
I'll give you an example.
Big Ben had a 22 QB rating nd 123 yards passing when Pitt won the superbowl.
If you look at that stat you would think they lost.
Stats really mean nothing to me unless it is something that shows the variables.
I will show you a stat I like about TJ.
After he threw the INT against the Eagles he came back and drove the team down the field.
To me that's a stat that means something.
But mentioning completion rate in certain games doesn't say that McNabb is a choke artist imo.

By the way there is nothing wrong with your opinion.
It is what it is and that is okay.
I just believe this team would be better with a guy like McNabb.
Is he long term?
No.
But football is all about the short term these days.

So since he is not a long term solution, and he has a penchant for throwing dirt balls and air balls...and also has missed several games in the last 5 years...has yet to win the big game(oops ;))...and is towards the end of his career...what is a gem like that worth to you?

I'm guessing if he was available for a trade(which it doesn't appear that he is), you would have to give up several high draft picks, and maybe even some warm bodies.

What is he worth to you?

If we could get him for a third rounder and maybe a conditional pick next year(not gonna happen) then he would be worth it...otherwise I would rather see us mortgage our future on someone that would be with us for 7 or 8 more years.


You can't be serious! You want to talk about McNabbs accuracy but not TJ? Lets talk about his elusiveness, his intelligence and hit ability to read defenses, all things TJ show no signs of improving. Only in Vike land would we reject a pro bowl caliber QB. Listen our Qb situations sucks. I'm sick of the excuses, it's the WR not getting seperation, it's the oline not blocking etc. No it's our Qb looking and playing like sh*t when the game is on the line. The one year McNabb has a talented WR corps he went to the superbowl. Add in a running back that can pound the rock like AD, a Westbrook lite back like CT and McNabb has all the tools and windows to win it all here. In Phili he has to make everyone better, here he simply has to play ball. That is what we need. Why can't you all see that. If our team made Tj look polished completing 7 of 10 yards.

You say we can't make excuses for T.J.(of which I have never done) but you can for McNabb.
Make up your mind why don't ya...double standard much?

Just because McNabb is better than T.J. doesn't make him a guy worthy of a slew of high draft picks...everyone is always saying ...well hes better than T.J.
Not setting the bar too high are we.


Wasn't it you that said the Roy Williams trade was such a good one...how did that work out for ya?...seems you are an expert on trades too. LOL
*getting ready for the list of excuses on why that didn't work*



Why will no one estimate McNabb's trade value...you all say I want him I want him...but no one will say how much you are willing to give up for him.

Lets hear it kevoncox a.k.a. trade expert...what is he worth?


You want to judge the value of a trade in half a season? Why don't we wait to see what he does for Dallas.
I don't want to spend a lot of picks for McNabb but I believe a 1st and a 3rd is acceptable. We would have to spend a first on a Qb anyway and with the 23rd pick we won't be getting a top teir Qb.
So in reality we are giving up a 3rd rounder for him.

I'm no tjust saying McNabb is better than TJ. I am saying he is better than all the other QBs in the league except for Manning and Brady. I respect your opinion to not like the price McNabb would cost us but to not think that he will ge tthis team to the Superbowl is crazy. The guy has done more with less than anyone in recent memory.

gregair13
01-24-2009, 03:17 PM
McNabb would bring us to the promise land.

jdvike
01-24-2009, 03:53 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:




















McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Not calling you Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO




You totally are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
The only thing I question is the stats you threw out to prove your point.
The game of football has several variables so sometimes stats mean nothing.
I'll give you an example.
Big Ben had a 22 QB rating nd 123 yards passing when Pitt won the superbowl.
If you look at that stat you would think they lost.
Stats really mean nothing to me unless it is something that shows the variables.
I will show you a stat I like about TJ.
After he threw the INT against the Eagles he came back and drove the team down the field.
To me that's a stat that means something.
But mentioning completion rate in certain games doesn't say that McNabb is a choke artist imo.

By the way there is nothing wrong with your opinion.
It is what it is and that is okay.
I just believe this team would be better with a guy like McNabb.
Is he long term?
No.
But football is all about the short term these days.

So since he is not a long term solution, and he has a penchant for throwing dirt balls and air balls...and also has missed several games in the last 5 years...has yet to win the big game(oops ;))...and is towards the end of his career...what is a gem like that worth to you?

I'm guessing if he was available for a trade(which it doesn't appear that he is), you would have to give up several high draft picks, and maybe even some warm bodies.

What is he worth to you?

If we could get him for a third rounder and maybe a conditional pick next year(not gonna happen) then he would be worth it...otherwise I would rather see us mortgage our future on someone that would be with us for 7 or 8 more years.


You can't be serious! You want to talk about McNabbs accuracy but not TJ? Lets talk about his elusiveness, his intelligence and hit ability to read defenses, all things TJ show no signs of improving. Only in Vike land would we reject a pro bowl caliber QB. Listen our Qb situations sucks. I'm sick of the excuses, it's the WR not getting seperation, it's the oline not blocking etc. No it's our Qb looking and playing like sh*t when the game is on the line. The one year McNabb has a talented WR corps he went to the superbowl. Add in a running back that can pound the rock like AD, a Westbrook lite back like CT and McNabb has all the tools and windows to win it all here. In Phili he has to make everyone better, here he simply has to play ball. That is what we need. Why can't you all see that. If our team made Tj look polished completing 7 of 10 yards.

You say we can't make excuses for T.J.(of which I have never done) but you can for McNabb.
Make up your mind why don't ya...double standard much?

Just because McNabb is better than T.J. doesn't make him a guy worthy of a slew of high draft picks...everyone is always saying ...well hes better than T.J.
Not setting the bar too high are we.


Wasn't it you that said the Roy Williams trade was such a good one...how did that work out for ya?...seems you are an expert on trades too. LOL
*getting ready for the list of excuses on why that didn't work*



Why will no one estimate McNabb's trade value...you all say I want him I want him...but no one will say how much you are willing to give up for him.

Lets hear it kevoncox a.k.a. trade expert...what is he worth?


You want to judge the value of a trade in half a season? Why don't we wait to see what he does for Dallas.
I don't want to spend a lot of picks for McNabb but I believe a 1st and a 3rd is acceptable. We would have to spend a first on a Qb anyway and with the 23rd pick we won't be getting a top teir Qb.
So in reality we are giving up a 3rd rounder for him.

I'm no tjust saying McNabb is better than TJ. I am saying he is better than all the other QBs in the league except for Manning and Brady. I respect your opinion to not like the price McNabb would cost us but to not think that he will ge tthis team to the Superbowl is crazy. The guy has done more with less than anyone in recent memory.

Roy Williams:10 games 7 started.....19 rec....198 yards...1 td....more than a half a season...not looking too good so far ace lol
;)

A first and a third is way too much IMO, since we have to continue paying that 100+ million dollar contract...for a QB that was playing so bad he was benched earlier in the season.

If he was a free agent, I would welcome him, but I don't believe he is worth all the picks and the cash too.

And btw I don't want to just get to the Super Bowl... I want to win it....losing another Bowl would be devastating for this franchise.

singersp
01-24-2009, 05:24 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Storm" wrote:


Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.

PurpleHornsOfDestruction
01-24-2009, 05:32 PM
I hope not

jaymz7
01-24-2009, 10:49 PM
It would be an upgrade at the position so I would be happy to get him.
It would be nice to have a QB we drafted become a top 5 QB and be with the team for at least 10 years.

Marrdro
01-25-2009, 06:41 AM
"jdvike" wrote:


And btw I don't want to just get to the Super Bowl... I want to win it....losing another Bowl would be devastating for this franchise.

How so?

Would they shut the doors?
Would Vikes fans not cheer for them anymore?
Would the players not show up next year?

I for one believe that if they fix 3 positions of need this year, get to the SB and lose just shows that the team continues to get better and has finally gotten to the point were they are ready to compete for alot of years to come.

Now if you want to try to say that it would be devastating if they got to the SB and lost and then completely collapsed the following year, I would agree with you.

I for one have lived through (actually remember 3) SB's as a fan of this team and I don't remember the world stopping by the way.

jdvike
01-25-2009, 07:21 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


And btw I don't want to just get to the Super Bowl... I want to win it....losing another Bowl would be devastating for this franchise.

How so?

Would they shut the doors?
Would Vikes fans not cheer for them anymore?
Would the players not show up next year?

I for one believe that if they fix 3 positions of need this year, get to the SB and lose just shows that the team continues to get better and has finally gotten to the point were they are ready to compete for alot of years to come.

Now if you want to try to say that it would be devastating if they got to the SB and lost and then completely collapsed the following year, I would agree with you.

I for one have lived through (actually remember 3) SB's as a fan of this team and I don't remember the world stopping by the way.

Well I actually remember all 4 Super Bowl loses...I cried when Joe Kapp(yes I'm an old fart) got hurt
in the first Super Bowl...I remember them all.

What I said was obviously an overstatement ...I just meant,
to be the first team to lose 5 would be a bad thing...I would still be a fan since I suffered through 4 already...I'm going nowhere...unless they relocated...then all bets might be off.
;)

Marrdro
01-25-2009, 07:42 AM
"jdvike" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


And btw I don't want to just get to the Super Bowl... I want to win it....losing another Bowl would be devastating for this franchise.

How so?

Would they shut the doors?
Would Vikes fans not cheer for them anymore?
Would the players not show up next year?

I for one believe that if they fix 3 positions of need this year, get to the SB and lose just shows that the team continues to get better and has finally gotten to the point were they are ready to compete for alot of years to come.

Now if you want to try to say that it would be devastating if they got to the SB and lost and then completely collapsed the following year, I would agree with you.

I for one have lived through (actually remember 3) SB's as a fan of this team and I don't remember the world stopping by the way.

Well I actually remember all 4 Super Bowl loses...I cried when Joe Kapp(yes I'm an old fart) got hurt
in the first Super Bowl...I remember them all.

What I said was obviously an overstatement ...I just meant,
to be the first team to lose 5 would be a bad thing...I would still be a fan since I suffered through 4 already...I'm going nowhere...unless they relocated...then all bets might be off.
;)

Gotcha......

singersp
01-25-2009, 08:16 AM
"V4L" wrote:


This rumor has been going around for years

I would love to have the guy here.. But I dont see it happening at all

I think Philly will let him finish his career there and I think he wants to do that


Yep. Funny how people actually believe he is "going into FA" as if he's at the end of his contract, when in reality he's signed thru 2013.

Especially when there isn't even a QB controversy in Philadelphia or a capable replacement.

Hell, I might as well start a "Brady's Last Season In NE? New Vikes QB?" thread. That has more reality to it with the play that Casell has shown. At least there's a QB controversy there.

Marrdro
01-25-2009, 08:20 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


This rumor has been going around for years

I would love to have the guy here.. But I dont see it happening at all

I think Philly will let him finish his career there and I think he wants to do that


Yep. Funny how people actually believe he is "going into FA" as if he's at the end of his contract, when in reality he's signed thru 2013.

Especially when there isn't even a QB controversy in Philadelphia or a capable replacement.

Hell, I might as well start a "Brady's Last Season In NE? New Vikes QB?" thread. That has more reality to it with the play that Casell has shown. At least there's a QB controversy there.

Sure there are some that aren't facing reality with respect to his contract, however, one also has to admit that the time is ripe to go another direction.........

Fans wouldn't beeeyyyyatch to much.
Kolb is there on the bench.
10 Mil is a big CAP hit.

FO do silly things my friend.
Will it happen? Probably not, however, most on here would have never thought Lord Dickhead would play as a Jet last year either.

kevoncox
01-25-2009, 08:27 AM
"jdvike" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"jdvike" wrote:






















McNabb would be such a big upgrade to our QB position, you have to be fricken Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd to pass on it, if the opportunity presents itself. I'm sure Chili has still some manlove left for his guy too. Weather he actually ends up here though, is a big if. But I'm certainly all for it.


My name is Prophet, I don't want him here, and, I am Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.

1+
No thanks on the big game choker.


I can understand you not wanting him here but big game choker?
How is any of the losses his fault?
Did he give up the 32 points to the Cards?
If it weren't for him it wouldn't have been a game.


Funny how Mcnabb gets the label of a choker with no WR core and Peyton doesn't!
I think the fact that the guy has been to 5 Conference title games and played well in each speaks for itself. He is a top 5 Qb with no help at WR. Peyton has 2 elite Wrs and an Elite TE and RB and still couldn't get to the superbowl. I love Peyton Manning though. McNabb is the best QB in the league next to Brady and Manning.


Not sure he is the 3rd best in the league Kevon but I do agree with what you are saying.
It's amazing how everything falls on McNabb's shoulders for losses but the fact that he made it that far in the playoffs that many times without any weapons he gets no credit for.


jdvike - I do agree he missed some passes this weekend.
However, he also made some gol 'darnit good throws.
You talk about him choking in the superbowl.
How did HE choke?
Other than the vomit of course.

I could throw out a bunch of stats like ...

Super Bowl...30 out of 51..357 yards..3Td's ...3 int ....Loss

Jan 7 2001.... 20 out of 41 ...181 yards...1 td ...1 int...Loss

Jan 27 2002..... 18 out of 30...171 yards.. 1 td.. 1 int...Loss

And the most telling stat of all....1-4 In the NFC Championship....0-1 in the Super Bowl.

...but you will just say he didn't, or doesn't have the weapons, and he is not at fault for the loss's.

So when he wins, he is the man,
but when he loses its not his fault? .....Hmmmm OK.


The Vikings have had playoff chokers for QB's in the past ...Cunningham....Culpepper etc...I'm hoping for something better.

Now everyone is going to ask who? I think we need to bring in a FREE agent or 2(hard to say who since no one knows as of yet which ones will be available) to compete with T.J. and depending on who falls to us and where ...draft.

Will we somehow strike gold?...who knows...but right now at this minute we know that in 5 tries(anything short of the Championship game is not even included) McNabb couldn't get the job done...and if the people in Philly were positive that he could eventually get it done then there wouldn't be this trade for McNabb talk going around.

If the Vikings do trade for him, I will cheer for him like I've cheered for every player that wears purple. I just hope that we try to get someone that we think MIGHT be able to get the job done...not for someone that we KNOW hasn't been able to get it done...and will probably never(IMO) get the job done.

call me Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.



Not calling you Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd but you can throw all the stats you want out to me but they don't mean that everything was on him.
Show me how many of those INTs were tipped or not.
Show me how many of the incompletes were dropped.
Show me the defenses he played against.
I can tell you he played against the Patriots in the superbowl which was a stingy defense.
The NFC Championship games he played against the Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons and AZ.
Everyone one of them had stingy defenses including AZ because they are playing their best football right now.

Ask yourself this question.
Would you rather have TJ or McNabb?
Personally I would rather have McNabb because I know he can get the job done.
He has been a perennial playoff QB unless he was injured during the season.
Whereas TJ has not proved himself yet.
With your theory I guess Tarkington was a QB we should have never had because he lost the big games.
I would rather have someone I know can get the team there.
If you think TJ is that guy right now I will disagree.
I like him and he has come a long way but he still makes ugly mistakes.


I don't like McNabb...you like him...we are both entitled to our own opinions.
You show me all that defense stuff...I have a life LOL

And for the record...I never said TJ was better...I think we need another option at QB...I just don't believe Donny is worth what he will cost us.

Again this all JMO




You totally are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
The only thing I question is the stats you threw out to prove your point.
The game of football has several variables so sometimes stats mean nothing.
I'll give you an example.
Big Ben had a 22 QB rating nd 123 yards passing when Pitt won the superbowl.
If you look at that stat you would think they lost.
Stats really mean nothing to me unless it is something that shows the variables.
I will show you a stat I like about TJ.
After he threw the INT against the Eagles he came back and drove the team down the field.
To me that's a stat that means something.
But mentioning completion rate in certain games doesn't say that McNabb is a choke artist imo.

By the way there is nothing wrong with your opinion.
It is what it is and that is okay.
I just believe this team would be better with a guy like McNabb.
Is he long term?
No.
But football is all about the short term these days.

So since he is not a long term solution, and he has a penchant for throwing dirt balls and air balls...and also has missed several games in the last 5 years...has yet to win the big game(oops ;))...and is towards the end of his career...what is a gem like that worth to you?

I'm guessing if he was available for a trade(which it doesn't appear that he is), you would have to give up several high draft picks, and maybe even some warm bodies.

What is he worth to you?

If we could get him for a third rounder and maybe a conditional pick next year(not gonna happen) then he would be worth it...otherwise I would rather see us mortgage our future on someone that would be with us for 7 or 8 more years.


You can't be serious! You want to talk about McNabbs accuracy but not TJ? Lets talk about his elusiveness, his intelligence and hit ability to read defenses, all things TJ show no signs of improving. Only in Vike land would we reject a pro bowl caliber QB. Listen our Qb situations sucks. I'm sick of the excuses, it's the WR not getting seperation, it's the oline not blocking etc. No it's our Qb looking and playing like sh*t when the game is on the line. The one year McNabb has a talented WR corps he went to the superbowl. Add in a running back that can pound the rock like AD, a Westbrook lite back like CT and McNabb has all the tools and windows to win it all here. In Phili he has to make everyone better, here he simply has to play ball. That is what we need. Why can't you all see that. If our team made Tj look polished completing 7 of 10 yards.

You say we can't make excuses for T.J.(of which I have never done) but you can for McNabb.
Make up your mind why don't ya...double standard much?

Just because McNabb is better than T.J. doesn't make him a guy worthy of a slew of high draft picks...everyone is always saying ...well hes better than T.J.
Not setting the bar too high are we.


Wasn't it you that said the Roy Williams trade was such a good one...how did that work out for ya?...seems you are an expert on trades too. LOL
*getting ready for the list of excuses on why that didn't work*



Why will no one estimate McNabb's trade value...you all say I want him I want him...but no one will say how much you are willing to give up for him.

Lets hear it kevoncox a.k.a. trade expert...what is he worth?


You want to judge the value of a trade in half a season? Why don't we wait to see what he does for Dallas.
I don't want to spend a lot of picks for McNabb but I believe a 1st and a 3rd is acceptable. We would have to spend a first on a Qb anyway and with the 23rd pick we won't be getting a top teir Qb.
So in reality we are giving up a 3rd rounder for him.

I'm no tjust saying McNabb is better than TJ. I am saying he is better than all the other QBs in the league except for Manning and Brady. I respect your opinion to not like the price McNabb would cost us but to not think that he will ge tthis team to the Superbowl is crazy. The guy has done more with less than anyone in recent memory.

Roy Williams:10 games 7 started.....19 rec....198 yards...1 td....more than a half a season...not looking too good so far ace lol
;)

A first and a third is way too much IMO, since we have to continue paying that 100+ million dollar contract...for a QB that was playing so bad he was benched earlier in the season.

If he was a free agent, I would welcome him, but I don't believe he is worth all the picks and the cash too.

And btw I don't want to just get to the Super Bowl... I want to win it....losing another Bowl would be devastating for this franchise.





You are right 10 games is nothing close to half a season. Many of those game he had Brad "the arm" Johnson and Brooks "I the man" Bolliger throwing to him. No disrespect for the play calling in Dallas but TO only just broke 1000 yards, which is way down for him. When acquiring a player, you can't judge the value of the trade in a half, whole, 2 season. Lets see what he does for the franchise over his career there. Hell, if Allen came to this team and got 5 sacks this season, most would have called him a bust, but then if he breaks the sack record the next season, those same critics would shut the hell up. Roy is young and came to a Dallas team that was spiraling out of control. Lets hope he continues to be a bust for them( easier for us)

marstc09
01-25-2009, 04:14 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:




Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.




McNabbs situation is different from most QBs. I feel he is unhappy in Philly.

KrackerJack
01-25-2009, 04:18 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:






Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.




I feel he is unhappy in Philly.


That's a good sign
;)

But on a serious note, the only thing that i could think of that would make him want out is the heavy criticizing he receives in Philly from the fans and media.
It's a good thing us Minnesota fans don't treat our QBs like that.
:P

singersp
01-25-2009, 06:10 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:






Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.




McNabbs situation is different from most QBs. I feel he is unhappy in Philly.


Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Your gut feel pretty much makes it fact.

:P

marstc09
01-31-2009, 04:38 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:








Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.




McNabbs situation is different from most QBs. I feel he is unhappy in Philly.


Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Your gut feel pretty much makes it fact.

:P


I guess I was wrong.


MCNABB: “I WANT TO RETIRE AS AN EAGLE”

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/31/mcnabb-i-want-to-retire-as-an-eagle/

jmcdon00
01-31-2009, 05:06 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:










Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.




McNabbs situation is different from most QBs. I feel he is unhappy in Philly.


Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Your gut feel pretty much makes it fact.

:P


I guess I was wrong.


MCNABB: “I WANT TO RETIRE AS AN EAGLE”

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/31/mcnabb-i-want-to-retire-as-an-eagle/

That just means he hopes the eagles give him everything he asks for, really though he knows there is not chance of that happening. I wonder how many times Favre said that, or Carter, or any other player that ever left his original team.
I think he will be an eagle in 09 but 2010 I bet he's available. Let's give Tjack one more year and then pick up McNabb in 2010. If we go blow all our money on some one like David Carr, then we will not be able to get the real piece we need to win a superbowl.

marstc09
01-31-2009, 05:09 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:












Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.




McNabbs situation is different from most QBs. I feel he is unhappy in Philly.


Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Your gut feel pretty much makes it fact.

:P


I guess I was wrong.


MCNABB: “I WANT TO RETIRE AS AN EAGLE”

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/31/mcnabb-i-want-to-retire-as-an-eagle/

That just means he hopes the eagles give him everything he asks for, really though he knows there is not chance of that happening. I wonder how many times Favre said that, or Carter, or any other player that ever left his original team.
I think he will be an eagle in 09 but 2010 I bet he's available. Let's give Tjack one more year and then pick up McNabb in 2010. If we go blow all our money on some one like David Carr, then we will not be able to get the real piece we need to win a superbowl.


I really don't think Carr, Leftwich, or even Garcia are going to be expensive. They are backups and might come pretty cheap giving the fact they would get a chance to compete for a starting job.

HoosierVike
01-31-2009, 05:55 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:












Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.




McNabbs situation is different from most QBs. I feel he is unhappy in Philly.


Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Your gut feel pretty much makes it fact.

:P


I guess I was wrong.


MCNABB: “I WANT TO RETIRE AS AN EAGLE”

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/31/mcnabb-i-want-to-retire-as-an-eagle/

That just means he hopes the eagles give him everything he asks for, really though he knows there is not chance of that happening. I wonder how many times Favre said that, or Carter, or any other player that ever left his original team.
I think he will be an eagle in 09 but 2010 I bet he's available. Let's give Tjack one more year and then pick up McNabb in 2010. If we go blow all our money on some one like David Carr, then we will not be able to get the real piece we need to win a superbowl.



lets not and say we did...

mamaluke
02-06-2009, 10:46 PM
I don't think McNabb is the answer... the guy would definitely be a big upgrade and can still play like heck.. but where has he taken the Eagles? Yeah the Eagles made it to a Superbowl and a slew of Championship games but he has not proven he can win in a big situation. Then again I don't know if we could do any better than McNabb at this point. Throughout his career has always been a streaky QB who looks unbeatable at times but the next week will look like he has just seen a football for the first time in his life.
Maybe this Booty kid deserves a good looking at this offseason to see what he can offer. God it would be so nice if he can prove to be a potential franchise QB that this team so desperately needs. On a separate note I was telling a biddy of mine that I was kind of glad in a way that we were not in the Cardinals position (losing a SB in the last 35 seconds). If that was the Vikes instead of the Cards, and we came that freaking close to winning a superbowl,
I don't know how the hell I could take it, especially after being a fan for the last 41 years.

oaklandzoo24
02-06-2009, 11:30 PM
"mamaluke" wrote:


I don't think McNabb is the answer... the guy would definitely be a big upgrade and can still play like heck.. but where has he taken the Eagles? Yeah the Eagles made it to a Superbowl and a slew of Championship games but he has not proven he can win in a big situation. Then again I don't know if we could do any better than McNabb at this point. Throughout his career has always been a streaky QB who looks unbeatable at times but the next week will look like he has just seen a football for the first time in his life.
Maybe this Booty kid deserves a good looking at this offseason to see what he can offer. God it would be so nice if he can prove to be a potential franchise QB that this team so desperately needs. On a separate note I was telling a biddy of mine that I was kind of glad in a way that we were not in the Cardinals position (losing a SB in the last 35 seconds). If that was the Vikes instead of the Cards, and we came that freaking close to winning a superbowl,
I don't know how the hell I could take it, especially after being a fan for the last 41 years.


Thats a hell lot further than we've gotten in many years.
Atleast it is a start, plus he'd be playing for a team that like to run the ball as well so not the whole load relies on his shoulders.

Dibbzz
02-07-2009, 02:43 AM
"mamaluke" wrote:


Maybe this Booty kid deserves a good looking at this offseason to see what he can offer. God it would be so nice if he can prove to be a potential franchise QB that this team so desperately needs.

Purple Floyd
02-07-2009, 08:20 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:










Drafting a QB to compete for starting job is out of the question. Go into the season with TJack as our most experienced QB? ??? We NEED an experienced QB.

As for free agents, I'm still interested to hear who do you all think is a better fit than McNabb. I'm all ears.


McNabb is not an option. This thread is now moot.


Says who?



The Eagles made the point much simpler. In an attempt to end speculation about the future of head coach Andy Reid and QB Donovan McNabb, team president Joe Banner said both Reid and McNabb will be back in 2009.

http://min.scout.com/2/831888.html


That means absolutely nothing. It says nothing about McNabb wanting to be back. McNabb, like Favre, could force the issue.


So could any good QB in the league. People here are dreaming like they did last year with the McNabb threads.




McNabbs situation is different from most QBs. I feel he is unhappy in Philly.


Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Your gut feel pretty much makes it fact.

:P


I guess I was wrong.


MCNABB: “I WANT TO RETIRE AS AN EAGLE”

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/31/mcnabb-i-want-to-retire-as-an-eagle/


But in the next sentence:


McNabb’s contract might need to be restructured for him to be back, though. Under contract through 2010, McNabb has extremely high base salaries of $9.2 million in 2009 and $10 million in 2010.

That is a hell of alot of cap space to use.

If they do decide to keep him, then maybe we have a chance at getting Kolb from them.