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singersp
10-28-2008, 08:17 AM
Future of Childress, stadium reaches this pivotal moment (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/33420744.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsX)

By PATRICK REUSSE, Star Tribune

Last update: October 28, 2008 - 1:03 AM

There is a tendency to overdramatize in these situations, and perhaps that's the case in making this statement: Brad Childress is early in the biggest week of his three-season tenure as Vikings coach...

marstc09
10-28-2008, 09:13 PM
Wilf was described as leaving the visitors locker room in Soldier Field with his head glowing an angry red.

Good. It's coming guys. 2 home loses could set him off.

BadlandsVikings
10-28-2008, 09:17 PM
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PurpleMafia
10-28-2008, 09:54 PM
fire chilly?

SamOchoCinco
10-28-2008, 10:35 PM
send chilly's bags packing!

we need marty ball or the chin!

ragz
10-28-2008, 11:19 PM
pretty good read.
and i think the slight bit of optimism is warranted in there, but this game this week is a game you just have to win if you are at all for real.
he's right in a way, if we lose it the season is probably over cuz if you can't win at home against houston, than you are probably not beating green bay or going on the road and winning any games.
but even if we get a win this week, but then lose at home to green bay next week we are probably done.
another division and conferene loss and then we hit the road to boot.
these next 2 games are probably it cuz you gotta be able to hold your own ground at home.
a split doesn't matter a whole lot cuz we'll be 2 games later in the year and still be a game under 500.

i think we have the talent to pull it off despite childress, bevell, and frazier, but if we do lose the williams's its gonna be hard to imagine us getting better on defense, which we have to do if we are gonna make any kinda run in the 2nd half.
i think peterson has a chance to have a monster 2nd half, and with the emergence of berrian we should be able to score just enough, but the defense cannot be letting teams throw the ball up and down the field.
and ferrotte can't be throwing 4 picks a game.
oh yah and the special teams can't flatout stink. oh shit, so much for optimism from me.
you guys shoulda known better

huxx
10-28-2008, 11:52 PM
I have a feeling that not only do we have to win on Sunday, but we have to win big in order to get comfortable this season.
The outcome of this game could tell us everything we need to know about Childress and this team (not that we don't know everything already, right guys?)

AngloVike
10-29-2008, 05:13 AM
In a way the game against the Bears was a bit of a benchmark - when you put up 41 points against a Bears team then it indicates that the offense are finally clicking. If we go back to our previous 'squeak out 20 points a game' mentality then Childress is finished as HC of this team.
I'd agree it is a pivotal moment for him as coach but not sure on the stadium side. Given the current economic climate then, even with a perfect record, it would be hard to convince the State to be spending money on a sporting facility.

We shall see but I'm sure that Zygi is getting close to losing his patience with Childress.

Purple Floyd
10-29-2008, 08:06 AM
Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

Marrdro
10-29-2008, 08:16 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a damn good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.

bleedpurple
10-29-2008, 01:33 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I agree with you whole heartedly, however, I'm not sure how much being as though Brad was there before Speilman, that Brad's input isn't as good or just as good as Speilmans'... Afterall, Speilman did trade a 2nd rounder for AJ Feely, and failed to bring in a legitimate QB after Marino.. additionally, the coudn't for the life of them find a decent running back...

So, i'm not sure how much input or influence Brad has on personnel, but i'd rather he be in the Front office than in the coaches box... with that said it will never happen...

I'm just worried that if he's fired our talent level as far as drafting might not be as good without him there... i thnk he has a decent eye for talent working under andy and andy seems to be able to win consistently with suspect players...at wr anyway...

Marrdro
10-29-2008, 02:25 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I agree with you whole heartedly, however, I'm not sure how much being as though Brad was there before Speilman, that Brad's input isn't as good or just as good as Speilmans'... Afterall, Speilman did trade a 2nd rounder for AJ Feely, and failed to bring in a legitimate QB after Marino.. additionally, the coudn't for the life of them find a decent running back...

So, i'm not sure how much input or influence Brad has on personnel, but i'd rather he be in the Front office than in the coaches box... with that said it will never happen...

I'm just worried that if he's fired our talent level as far as drafting might not be as good without him there... i thnk he has a decent eye for talent working under andy and andy seems to be able to win consistently with suspect players...at wr anyway...

If you are worried about the Chiller leaving and our talent level dropping then I wouldn't be worried if I was you.

The Chiller has very little to do with that process.
Scott (Collegiate Scouting) and George (Pro Scouting) and their scouts, under the VP of Player Personnel (Rick) do most of the "Finding" of talent that fits the scheme the coaches say they want to run.

The coaches and scouts will sit down and go through the player evaluations together after the guys are "Found" to ensure they are the right fit, but the finding happens long before the coaches get involved my friend (in most instances).

A example of one of those deviations is Tyler Thygpen.
When they played us in the scrimages, Herm got his
eye on him and as soon as he came free they went out and snagged him.

DeathtoDenny
10-29-2008, 03:22 PM
"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


send chilly's bags packing!

we need marty ball or the chin!


Marty-Ball is the same Denny Green choke artist playoff loser shi* we had in the 90s, and it took Cowher like 20 boring years. Can we get a coach that can get it done before I'm 40?

bleedpurple
10-29-2008, 03:52 PM
"DeathtoDenny" wrote:


"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


send chilly's bags packing!

we need marty ball or the chin!


Marty-Ball is the same Denny Green choke artist playoff loser shi* we had in the 90s, and it took Cowher like 20 boring years. Can we get a coach that can get it done before I'm 40?


LOL!!!... we should get Kiffin!

jmcdon00
10-29-2008, 04:07 PM
"marstc09" wrote:



Wilf was described as leaving the visitors locker room in Soldier Field with his head glowing an angry red.

Good. It's coming guys. 2 home loses could set him off.

haha
I hope others aren't thinking like that. You should get a texans jersey and cheer them on this week. I'll stick to being a Viking fan.

Marrdro
10-29-2008, 04:07 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"DeathtoDenny" wrote:


"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


send chilly's bags packing!

we need marty ball or the chin!


Marty-Ball is the same Denny Green choke artist playoff loser shi* we had in the 90s, and it took Cowher like 20 boring years. Can we get a coach that can get it done before I'm 40?


LOL!!!... we should get Kiffin!

Lane or Monti?

bleedpurple
10-29-2008, 05:00 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"DeathtoDenny" wrote:


"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


send chilly's bags packing!

we need marty ball or the chin!


Marty-Ball is the same Denny Green choke artist playoff loser shi* we had in the 90s, and it took Cowher like 20 boring years. Can we get a coach that can get it done before I'm 40?


LOL!!!... we should get Kiffin!

Lane or Monti?


lane!.. monte's not going anywhere..

I see Lane as a Shannahan in the making... IMO

PackSux!
10-29-2008, 06:21 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:



Wilf was described as leaving the visitors locker room in Soldier Field with his head glowing an angry red.

Good. It's coming guys. 2 home loses could set him off.

haha
I hope others aren't thinking like that. You should get a texans jersey and cheer them on this week. I'll stick to being a Viking fan.


Nice post.
I cant imagine any viking fan wanting us to lose because they want the coach fired.
I forget who the old reciever was for the bears that was doing his radio show before the vikes-bears game.
Tom Waddle maybe?
But anyways he said he dont like saying this but there are alot of fairweathered fans in Minnesota, i tend to agree with him after reading alot of posts.

jessejames09
10-29-2008, 06:45 PM
"PackSux!" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:



Wilf was described as leaving the visitors locker room in Soldier Field with his head glowing an angry red.

Good. It's coming guys. 2 home loses could set him off.

haha
I hope others aren't thinking like that. You should get a texans jersey and cheer them on this week. I'll stick to being a Viking fan.


Nice post.
I cant imagine any viking fan wanting us to lose because they want the coach fired.

I forget who the old reciever was for the bears that was doing his radio show before the vikes-bears game.
Tom Waddle maybe?

But anyways he said he dont like saying this but there are alot of fairweathered fans in Minnesota, i tend to agree with him after reading alot of posts.


From the outside looking in, (never been to Minny, live in Ontario) anyone who follows the vikings is not a fair-weather fan. Fair weather fans wouldn't be following this vikings team, or any from the last 8 years, because we suck. Amongst most football fans we are in the same class as the Bills, Cards, Lions, and other organizations that are more of a punchline than something to be proud of.

What you are seeing is proud Vikings fans who know a shitty team when they see one, and call it as such. Can anyone really say they have followed this organization and think we are doing all the right things, just have bad luck? I love this team, but pretending we are better than we are is what most here refer to as a being a Homer, if you point out our flaws you are a fair weather fan, or a pussy. Without homers, fairweather fans and pussies this website is just stats.

Purple Floyd
10-29-2008, 07:03 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a damn good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A damn solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.

PackSux!
10-29-2008, 07:14 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.



I dont think anyone can answer that question since people seem to think it takes about three years to see what ya got from the drafts.

I actually think the Vikings have had good drafts for the last three years.
Although this years draft dont count really since we gave up three picks out of it.
We have all the pieces to the puzzle besides the quarterback and perhaps a right tackle(time will tell with Cook).

Purple Floyd
10-29-2008, 07:42 PM
"PackSux!" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.



I dont think anyone can answer that question since people seem to think it takes about three years to see what ya got from the drafts.

I actually think the Vikings have had good drafts for the last three years.
Although this years draft dont count really since we gave up three picks out of it.
We have all the pieces to the puzzle besides the quarterback and perhaps a right tackle(time will tell with Cook).


Really?

I don't think we have the pieces to the puzzle at WR, TE, LT, RG,FB,QB on ofense and on defense I think we are lacking at CB,S, LDE and the LB crew is pretty thin. I see alot of average players that will give us average records year in and year out. many of the players who were supposed to have breakout years like Rice, Allison, Griffin, Hererra, Cook, Jackson,Edwards etc have not done anything to separate themselves from the average from what I have seen. Wade is avrage, nothing more. Shank is getting to the point where he is almost riding to sub-average.

PackSux!
10-29-2008, 07:56 PM
The only real two complaints i have on Chilly is the quarterback situation and the zone blocking scheme and perhaps the playcalling at times, but i believe alot of the playcalling had to do with the dumb as rocks quarterback he thought would be the next McNabb.

But since Gus has been the starter the main reason we have lost games is because of simple mistakes made by the players and not the coaches.


Man we need a good young quarterback badly.

PackSux!
10-29-2008, 07:59 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"PackSux!" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.



I dont think anyone can answer that question since people seem to think it takes about three years to see what ya got from the drafts.

I actually think the Vikings have had good drafts for the last three years.
Although this years draft dont count really since we gave up three picks out of it.
We have all the pieces to the puzzle besides the quarterback and perhaps a right tackle(time will tell with Cook).


Really?

I don't think we have the pieces to the puzzle at WR, TE, LT, RG,FB,QB on ofense and on defense I think we are lacking at CB,S, LDE and the LB crew is pretty thin. I see alot of average players that will give us average records year in and year out. many of the players who were supposed to have breakout years like Rice, Allison, Griffin, Hererra, Cook, Jackson,Edwards etc have not done anything to separate themselves from the average from what I have seen. Wade is avrage, nothing more. Shank is getting to the point where he is almost riding to sub-average.


What you are expecting from the young players will never happen in a year or two.
The way I take your post you expect everyone we draft to be a pro bowler by year two.

Purple Floyd
10-29-2008, 08:06 PM
"PackSux!" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"PackSux!" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.



I dont think anyone can answer that question since people seem to think it takes about three years to see what ya got from the drafts.

I actually think the Vikings have had good drafts for the last three years.
Although this years draft dont count really since we gave up three picks out of it.
We have all the pieces to the puzzle besides the quarterback and perhaps a right tackle(time will tell with Cook).


Really?

I don't think we have the pieces to the puzzle at WR, TE, LT, RG,FB,QB on ofense and on defense I think we are lacking at CB,S, LDE and the LB crew is pretty thin. I see alot of average players that will give us average records year in and year out. many of the players who were supposed to have breakout years like Rice, Allison, Griffin, Hererra, Cook, Jackson,Edwards etc have not done anything to separate themselves from the average from what I have seen. Wade is avrage, nothing more. Shank is getting to the point where he is almost riding to sub-average.


What you are expecting from the young players will never happen in a year or two.
The way I take your post you expect everyone we draft to be a pro bowler by year two.


Then you took it wrong.

Ranger
10-30-2008, 02:45 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"PackSux!" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.



I dont think anyone can answer that question since people seem to think it takes about three years to see what ya got from the drafts.

I actually think the Vikings have had good drafts for the last three years.
Although this years draft dont count really since we gave up three picks out of it.
We have all the pieces to the puzzle besides the quarterback and perhaps a right tackle(time will tell with Cook).


Really?

I don't think we have the pieces to the puzzle at WR, TE, LT, RG,FB,QB on ofense and on defense I think we are lacking at CB,S, LDE and the LB crew is pretty thin. I see alot of average players that will give us average records year in and year out. many of the players who were supposed to have breakout years like Rice, Allison, Griffin, Hererra, Cook, Jackson,Edwards etc have not done anything to separate themselves from the average from what I have seen. Wade is avrage, nothing more. Shank is getting to the point where he is almost riding to sub-average.



Damn bud, you realize that we're not going to have all-pros at every single position, right?
Even the greatest superbowl teams of the past had average players here and there, and even some poor ones.

Purple Floyd
10-30-2008, 08:07 AM
"Ranger" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"PackSux!" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.



I dont think anyone can answer that question since people seem to think it takes about three years to see what ya got from the drafts.

I actually think the Vikings have had good drafts for the last three years.
Although this years draft dont count really since we gave up three picks out of it.
We have all the pieces to the puzzle besides the quarterback and perhaps a right tackle(time will tell with Cook).


Really?

I don't think we have the pieces to the puzzle at WR, TE, LT, RG,FB,QB on offense and on defense I think we are lacking at CB,S, LDE and the LB crew is pretty thin. I see alot of average players that will give us average records year in and year out. many of the players who were supposed to have breakout years like Rice, Allison, Griffin, Hererra, Cook, Jackson,Edwards etc have not done anything to separate themselves from the average from what I have seen. Wade is average, nothing more. Shank is getting to the point where he is almost riding to sub-average.



Damn bud, you realize that we're not going to have all-pros at every single position, right?
Even the greatest superbowl teams of the past had average players here and there, and even some poor ones.



And your point is...

You are saying we only have average players here and there? Actually except for Peterson (And hutch and Allen who were brought in via FA) I don't see alot of pro bowl talent that wasn't brought in under Tice. If you think that our only weaknesses are at LT and QB then I will just disagree. That is all I have to say.

Marrdro
10-30-2008, 08:31 AM
"PackSux!" wrote:


The only real two complaints i have on Chilly is the quarterback situation and the zone blocking scheme and perhaps the playcalling at times, but i believe alot of the playcalling had to do with the dumb as rocks quarterback he thought would be the next McNabb.

But since Gus has been the starter the main reason we have lost games is because of simple mistakes made by the players and not the coaches.


Man we need a good young quarterback badly.


Hey my friend, I am officially ready for the Chiller to go so don't take this as a post of support, but what is wrong with the ZB scheme?

You do realize it is primarily used in the running game and that is one of our strenghts.
In its first year it produced a 1,000 rusher in CT and then again with AD in the second year.

Again, why would you want to get rid of it or what is your beef with it.
One of the few things he and his staff got right.

SamOchoCinco
10-30-2008, 09:05 AM
"PackSux!" wrote:


The only real two complaints i have on Chilly is the quarterback situation and the zone blocking scheme and perhaps the playcalling at times, but i believe alot of the playcalling had to do with the dumb as rocks quarterback he thought would be the next McNabb.

But since Gus has been the starter the main reason we have lost games is because of simple mistakes made by the players and not the coaches.


Man we need a good young quarterback badly.



i wouldnt call him dumb as rocks when his recievers play horrible, his o-line isnt playing good and his coach calls plays like al davis.

but because of childress did to t-jack. i do agree we need a new quarterback. i wouldnt get a young one though because we want to win NOW.

Marrdro
10-30-2008, 10:28 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.


Seriously?
Every player should be probowl caliber?

Name me a team out there that has 53 men on the roster that are probowlers.

Comeon my friend.
We all know that teams are made up of a mix of stars and role players.
No team in the league can afford to have nothing but stars.
CAP won't allow it.

Purple Floyd
10-30-2008, 05:11 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.


Seriously?
Every player should be probowl caliber?

Name me a team out there that has 53 men on the roster that are probowlers.

Comeon my friend.
We all know that teams are made up of a mix of stars and role players.
No team in the league can afford to have nothing but stars.
CAP won't allow it.


Re -read what I said.

You stated that the personnel dept has done a good job of finding the right talent.

I merely stated that the talent the drafted, with the exception of Peterson, have not developed into anything that
would resemble pro bowl talent. They do have pro bowl type players that Tice drafted and they brought in a few via FA, but the young talent has not done much yet.

Marrdro
10-30-2008, 05:17 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Changing Childress without changing any of the rest of the FO structure could be unproductive.

I am almost onboard with that except for a couple of things (Unless you mean Structure in a way that means authority and not personnel).......


a.
Our scouting departments (yes we actually have two of them for those that weren't aware) do a decent job of finding the right talent.

b.
Ole Bryzcheapski does a gol 'darnit good job with the CAP.
I am a bit concerned that we are up against it for a couple of years but that doesn't matter as, again, the scouts found some nice you talent that are signed for a long period of time.

c.
Rick has done a decent job in his short tenure.
I often wonder what the Foley draft would have looked like with Rick running it.

Again, I like the front office, just don't like the way it is "structured".
Ricky boy needs full GM responsibility and the HC just needs to focus on HC'ng.


I mean structure and personnel.

Who has the personnel dept found other than Peterson that has turned out to be better than anyone expected? They got hutch and Taylor the first year( A gol 'darnit solid move) and Peterson the second. But other than that, who have they drafted that you can say is pro bowl, championship caliber talent? Just like Childress and his system you are taking a leap of faith that these young guys will be good some day. Right now they are middle of the pack or less.

Whe you say the staff finds people who have the right talent I wonder what that means. Does it mean they are good at finding guys who are KAO caliber? If so I agree. The problem is KAO sucks so finding talent that matches a sucky system is no great thing. ;)

I am not looking for a GM who can do a decent job. I want one who can do an exceptionally good job and find talent that is pro bowl caliber, not just nice. I am not convinced that we have that now.


Seriously?
Every player should be probowl caliber?

Name me a team out there that has 53 men on the roster that are probowlers.

Comeon my friend.
We all know that teams are made up of a mix of stars and role players.
No team in the league can afford to have nothing but stars.
CAP won't allow it.


Re -read what I said.

You stated that the personnel dept has done a good job of finding the right talent.

I merely stated that the talent the drafted, with the exception of Peterson, have not developed into anything that
would resemble pro bowl talent. They do have pro bowl type players that Tice drafted and they brought in a few via FA, but the young talent has not done much yet.


Still sounds like you are saying they should have probowl talent.
I must be slow or something.