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singersp
10-25-2008, 10:06 PM
Trying times for Peterson (http://thechronicleherald.ca/Sports/1086736.html)

Vikings star running have trouble against stacked defences

By DAVE CAMPBELL The Associated Press

Sat. Oct 25 - 6:48 AM


EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. — Adrian Peterson is learning how to be patient.

The Minnesota Vikings were, in a way, spoiled last season. Not in the standings, where they faltered in the final two weeks and finished 8-8. But in the backfield, where Peterson began all those are-you-kidding highlight-reel runs.....

singersp
10-25-2008, 10:08 PM
"singersp" wrote:



Vikings star running have trouble against stacked defences



This made it past both the author & the editor?

singersp
11-01-2008, 06:35 PM
Peterson preaches patience (http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2094)

October 30th, 2008 – 1:01 PM

by Chip Scoggins
startribune.com


Vikings running back Adrian Peterson reiterated today that he’s still working on his patience as a runner and said he needs to do a better job in the second half of the season.....

jmcdon00
11-01-2008, 06:38 PM
He's not breaking the big one but he is still very effective, if he stays healthy he should break his rushing and td totasl from a year ago.

CCthebest
11-01-2008, 07:06 PM
The Oline needs a kick in the a$$ more then AD

jessejames09
11-01-2008, 07:13 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



Vikings star running have trouble against stacked defences



This made it past both the author & the editor?


Maybe they were both Canadian.

StillPurple
11-01-2008, 07:36 PM
It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.

Formo
11-01-2008, 08:20 PM
"StillPurple" wrote:


It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.


Not often I agree with you StillPurple, but in this case, I very much do.

AP's production is down from last year..
but he's still AP.
Just opposing defenses key on him.
Their playcalling isn't necessarily taking advantage of this fact, either.
Look what Ronnie Brown has done for the 'Fins.

UTVikfan
11-02-2008, 01:02 AM
LOL, the 49'ers didn't JUST stack the box, they crashed the corners. Brilliant, brilliant scheme by Nolan. Never seen that before. AND because we have Childress/Bevel there is no play action to counter that. LOL, crash the corners all you want, our HC/OC are gonna run the same plays. You can play 10 in the box, nbd. The upside is Peterson is simply a time bomb, ticking away......he will break his 296 record this year, IMO.

VKG4LFE
11-02-2008, 09:06 AM
Our HC and OC are absolutely clueless at times, and underutilizing one of the best backs in the league!

singersp
11-03-2008, 09:46 AM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:


Our HC and OC are absolutely clueless at times, and underutilizing one of the best backs in the league!


Under-utilizing or mis-utilizing?

He's getting an average of 25 carries every game. What more do you want? Him to run the ball on everydown?

Marrdro
11-03-2008, 10:05 AM
"singersp" wrote:


Under-utilizing or mis-utilizing?

He's getting an average of 25 carries every game. What more do you want? Him to run the ball on everydown?

Truth be told he is having a damn good year even though we haven't seen alot of the "Big" "Exciting" runs.

He continues to pound it away inside with a pretty decent average, has 5 games of 100 yards or more which has kept him solidly in second place in the rushing race and his 6 TD's has him tied for 6th in that column.

Unless he breaks it on every run and has his face plastered all over the highlight films on ESPN, the mindless masses will continue to think he is being used wrong or to some, even over rated.

That my friend is a very sad state of affairs my friend.
Very sad indeed.

bleedpurple
11-03-2008, 10:25 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Under-utilizing or mis-utilizing?

He's getting an average of 25 carries every game. What more do you want? Him to run the ball on everydown?

Truth be told he is having a gol 'darnit good year even though we haven't seen alot of the "Big" "Exciting" runs.

He continues to pound it away inside with a pretty decent average, has 5 games of 100 yards or more which has kept him solidly in second place in the rushing race and his 6 TD's has him tied for 6th in that column.

Unless he breaks it on every run and has his face plastered all over the highlight films on ESPN, the mindless masses will continue to think he is being used wrong or to some, even over rated.

That my friend is a very sad state of affairs my friend.
Very sad indeed.


I just want to see him play on third downs and have Taylor spell him every now and then kind of like how New York uses Jacobs, ward and bradshaw...

MaxVike
11-03-2008, 10:51 AM
"UTVikfan" wrote:


LOL, the 49'ers didn't JUST stack the box, they crashed the corners. Brilliant, brilliant scheme by Nolan. Never seen that before. AND because we have Childress/Bevel there is no play action to counter that. LOL, crash the corners all you want, our HC/OC are gonna run the same plays. You can play 10 in the box, nbd. The upside is Peterson is simply a time bomb, ticking away......he will break his 296 record this year, IMO.


Exactly right.
Nolan crashed the corners and took away AD's signature run...to the tackle, then cut back.
It seemed like there was more play action yesterday.
I thought the coaches did a good job of deploying AD vs the Texans.
I too, would like to see him catch a few more passes, but he is simply dreadful at blocking.
He is having a good year, averaging over 100 yards a game...he wants more, he should want more.

Credit the Texans early, however, Gus made 'em pay with some deep and middle range passes.
There is nothing wrong with AD, he holds himself to the highest of standards and we have come to expect him to break long TD runs.
He will.

Marrdro
11-03-2008, 11:10 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Under-utilizing or mis-utilizing?

He's getting an average of 25 carries every game. What more do you want? Him to run the ball on everydown?

Truth be told he is having a gol 'darnit good year even though we haven't seen alot of the "Big" "Exciting" runs.

He continues to pound it away inside with a pretty decent average, has 5 games of 100 yards or more which has kept him solidly in second place in the rushing race and his 6 TD's has him tied for 6th in that column.

Unless he breaks it on every run and has his face plastered all over the highlight films on ESPN, the mindless masses will continue to think he is being used wrong or to some, even over rated.

That my friend is a very sad state of affairs my friend.
Very sad indeed.


I just want to see him play on third downs and have Taylor spell him every now and then kind of like how New York uses Jacobs, ward and bradshaw...

I don't know.


Seems to me the staff (can't believe I am sticking up for them) seem to have a pretty good mix right now in thier efforts to get the most out of him during the game but also to keep him fresh late.

His legs were definately there in the 4th and the Defenses wasn't.

Again, I like the mix.

bleedpurple
11-03-2008, 11:15 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Under-utilizing or mis-utilizing?

He's getting an average of 25 carries every game. What more do you want? Him to run the ball on everydown?

Truth be told he is having a gol 'darnit good year even though we haven't seen alot of the "Big" "Exciting" runs.

He continues to pound it away inside with a pretty decent average, has 5 games of 100 yards or more which has kept him solidly in second place in the rushing race and his 6 TD's has him tied for 6th in that column.

Unless he breaks it on every run and has his face plastered all over the highlight films on ESPN, the mindless masses will continue to think he is being used wrong or to some, even over rated.

That my friend is a very sad state of affairs my friend.
Very sad indeed.


I just want to see him play on third downs and have Taylor spell him every now and then kind of like how New York uses Jacobs, ward and bradshaw...

I don't know.


Seems to me the staff (can't believe I am sticking up for them) seem to have a pretty good mix right now in thier efforts to get the most out of him during the game but also to keep him fresh late.

His legs were definately there in the 4th and the Defenses wasn't.

Again, I like the mix.


No i agree with the mix, but i am saying i want to see more of one.. i don't think Chester is really a third down back so i don't like him in that role, i'd like to see him get about 8-12 carries a game... a la Derrick Ward, and peterson get approx. 20 but i just don't like him in the 3rd down role, nor do i like peterson coming out on third downs...

that's all i'm saying..
the mix is fine, but keep AP in on 3rd downs and spell him every few series... that allows AP to get a better rhythm and also provides a better mix for Chester... i personally he's not a big play type of back that you necessarily want to see in the third down role... personally, i just think they do that to keep him happy....

Remember how they used the both of them last year?.. each getting around similar amount of carries?.. that gave us a better change of pace and kept AP fresh for the 4th quarter kind of like you saw in the 4th quarter this past weekend...

BleedinPandG
11-03-2008, 11:20 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


No i agree with the mix, but i am saying i want to see more of one.. i don't think Chester is really a third down back so i don't like him in that role, i'd like to see him get about 8-12 carries a game... a la Derrick Ward, and peterson get approx. 20 but i just don't like him in the 3rd down role, nor do i like peterson coming out on third downs...

that's all i'm saying..
the mix is fine, but keep AP in on 3rd downs and spell him every few series... that allows AP to get a better rhythm and also provides a better mix for Chester... i personally he's not a big play type of back that you necessarily want to see in the third down role... personally, i just think they do that to keep him happy....

Remember how they used the both of them last year?.. each getting around similar amount of carries?.. that gave us a better change of pace and kept AP fresh for the 4th quarter kind of like you saw in the 4th quarter this past weekend...


CT isn't a 3rd down back?
Are you even a football fan?
CT is a great blocker and a great receiver, both qualities which are critical for a 3rd down back.
Did you not see CT make not 1, but 2 HUGE plays on 3rd and long?
On one he took a dump off pass, made 2 or 3 people miss and turned it into a 15 yard gain.
On a 2nd, he took a draw and ran it outside again sidestepping 2 or 3 defenders for a 2nd 15 yard gain.
CT was HUGE and has been the past 2 seasons in that role.

Honestly, I read all this hype about AD in "space".
Honestly, I love AD, but he's done crap for screen plays.
When he catches the ball and is stationary, he's dead meat.
He has not, to my recollection, made that first guy miss him a single time.
That is the key to screens or tosses out in the flat.
If you can make that first LB miss, there's lots of space.
AD never does.
Now if you give AD a full head of steam he can be slippery or powerful, but he doesn't have a burst of acceleration and quickness required to make those plays work.

Go watch the tape.
We are a much more productive team with CT on the field in 3rd downs.

Marrdro
11-03-2008, 11:24 AM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


No i agree with the mix, but i am saying i want to see more of one.. i don't think Chester is really a third down back so i don't like him in that role, i'd like to see him get about 8-12 carries a game... a la Derrick Ward, and peterson get approx. 20 but i just don't like him in the 3rd down role, nor do i like peterson coming out on third downs...

that's all i'm saying..
the mix is fine, but keep AP in on 3rd downs and spell him every few series... that allows AP to get a better rhythm and also provides a better mix for Chester... i personally he's not a big play type of back that you necessarily want to see in the third down role... personally, i just think they do that to keep him happy....

Remember how they used the both of them last year?.. each getting around similar amount of carries?.. that gave us a better change of pace and kept AP fresh for the 4th quarter kind of like you saw in the 4th quarter this past weekend...


CT isn't a 3rd down back?
Are you even a football fan?
CT is a great blocker and a great receiver, both qualities which are critical for a 3rd down back.
Did you not see CT make not 1, but 2 HUGE plays on 3rd and long?
On one he took a dump off pass, made 2 or 3 people miss and turned it into a 15 yard gain.
On a 2nd, he took a draw and ran it outside again sidestepping 2 or 3 defenders for a 2nd 15 yard gain.
CT was HUGE and has been the past 2 seasons in that role.

Honestly, I read all this hype about AD in "space".
Honestly, I love AD, but he's done crap for screen plays.
When he catches the ball and is stationary, he's dead meat.
He has not, to my recollection, made that first guy miss him a single time.
That is the key to screens or tosses out in the flat.
If you can make that first LB miss, there's lots of space.
AD never does.
Now if you give AD a full head of steam he can be slippery or powerful, but he doesn't have a burst of acceleration and quickness required to make those plays work.

Go watch the tape.
We are a much more productive team with CT on the field in 3rd downs.

I'm gonna side with BPG here. I think CT is an excellent option in 3rd down situations as well as using him during a whole series.

Funny how the (We need to trade him)(He won't be happy in his role) crowds are now strangely quiet.
;D

By the way, BPG, stand by for the AD CSA'ers to come out of the woodwork for saying something bad about their boy.
;D

Purple Floyd
11-03-2008, 11:32 AM
I don't think that it is the time of year to talk about trading him, but by the same measure, we don't know for certain whether he is happy having only 182 rushing yards this season either. It isn't like there are no other backs in the league who could be good for 3rd downs. Heck, we could have kept MeMo for that at a lower price and traded CT for a decent OL.

Yes, CT is a very good player to have, I have not heard anybody say anything other than that.

COJOMAY
11-03-2008, 11:36 AM
Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I'll throw this out anyway for discussion...
We keep reading about how Childress tells Peterson how he needs more patience when running. Wait for his holes to open, and I totally understand this concept. But it looked to me like yesterday when Peterson got all his big runs, he just totally ran over and around people, not exhibiting much patience at all.
Which begs the question, is Childress' coaching about patience hurting Peterson's running ability? Does the "patience" allow more tacklers to swarm to the hole? Or if Peterson hits the hole immediately does it give him a better chance to run over the one tackler trying to be blocked and his shiftiness then allows him to avoid many other would-be tacklers.
Enquiring minds want to know.

Marrdro
11-03-2008, 11:43 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I'll throw this out anyway for discussion...
We keep reading about how Childress tells Peterson how he needs more patience when running. Wait for his holes to open, and I totally understand this concept. But it looked to me like yesterday when Peterson got all his big runs, he just totally ran over and around people, not exhibiting much patience at all.
Which begs the question, is Childress' coaching about patience hurting Peterson's running ability? Does the "patience" allow more tacklers to swarm to the hole? Or if Peterson hits the hole immediately does it give him a better chance to run over the one tackler trying to be blocked and his shiftiness then allows him to avoid many other would-be tacklers.
Enquiring minds want to know.

Hmmmm, I saw him waiting on the holes alot yesterday.
In fact I thought he waited to long on at least 5 (Game notes are at home) which resulted in negative yards.

Truth be told, he needs to know the difference between when he needs to be patient and when to hit it hard based on what is going on pre-snap as well as trends in the game.

singersp
11-03-2008, 11:48 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I'll throw this out anyway for discussion...
We keep reading about how Childress tells Peterson how he needs more patience when running. Wait for his holes to open, and I totally understand this concept. But it looked to me like yesterday when Peterson got all his big runs, he just totally ran over and around people, not exhibiting much patience at all.
Which begs the question, is Childress' coaching about patience hurting Peterson's running ability? Does the "patience" allow more tacklers to swarm to the hole? Or if Peterson hits the hole immediately does it give him a better chance to run over the one tackler trying to be blocked and his shiftiness then allows him to avoid many other would-be tacklers.
Enquiring minds want to know.


I often wondered that myself. He had some huge games & big runs last year against stacked boxes before the whole "be patient" thing came to being.

When you have 8-9 people gunning for you, doesn't waiting just allow more time for the defenders to swarm around him?

COJOMAY
11-03-2008, 11:48 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I'll throw this out anyway for discussion...
We keep reading about how Childress tells Peterson how he needs more patience when running. Wait for his holes to open, and I totally understand this concept. But it looked to me like yesterday when Peterson got all his big runs, he just totally ran over and around people, not exhibiting much patience at all.
Which begs the question, is Childress' coaching about patience hurting Peterson's running ability? Does the "patience" allow more tacklers to swarm to the hole? Or if Peterson hits the hole immediately does it give him a better chance to run over the one tackler trying to be blocked and his shiftiness then allows him to avoid many other would-be tacklers.
Enquiring minds want to know.

Hmmmm, I saw him waiting on the holes alot yesterday.
In fact I thought he waited to long on at least 5 (Game notes are at home) which resulted in negative yards.

Truth be told, he needs to know the difference between when he needs to be patient and when to hit it hard based on what is going on pre-snap as well as trends in the game.


I saw that too, Marr and that's what led me to begin thinking more about this whole "patience" thing.

BleedinPandG
11-03-2008, 11:53 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I'll throw this out anyway for discussion...
We keep reading about how Childress tells Peterson how he needs more patience when running. Wait for his holes to open, and I totally understand this concept. But it looked to me like yesterday when Peterson got all his big runs, he just totally ran over and around people, not exhibiting much patience at all.
Which begs the question, is Childress' coaching about patience hurting Peterson's running ability? Does the "patience" allow more tacklers to swarm to the hole? Or if Peterson hits the hole immediately does it give him a better chance to run over the one tackler trying to be blocked and his shiftiness then allows him to avoid many other would-be tacklers.
Enquiring minds want to know.

Hmmmm, I saw him waiting on the holes alot yesterday.
In fact I thought he waited to long on at least 5 (Game notes are at home) which resulted in negative yards.

Truth be told, he needs to know the difference between when he needs to be patient and when to hit it hard based on what is going on pre-snap as well as trends in the game.


You're mistaking patience with not following his blocks, the other thing the coaches are preaching to him.
On those plays where he lost
yards he kept trying to go outside the tackle or end instead of inside thinking "if I could just get around the corner, I could...."
Instead of just taking the 3 - 4 yards and a cloud of dust, he ended up losing 2 yards.
He has got to learn to take what the defense is giving him, especially on 1st down.
Second and 6 looks a lot better than 2nd and 12.

I think the patience is more on the pulling guards and things of that nature.
Deeper hand-offs where the linemen need a bit of time to open a crease.
Not running outside waiting for a defender to make a mistake.

Marrdro
11-03-2008, 11:57 AM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I'll throw this out anyway for discussion...
We keep reading about how Childress tells Peterson how he needs more patience when running. Wait for his holes to open, and I totally understand this concept. But it looked to me like yesterday when Peterson got all his big runs, he just totally ran over and around people, not exhibiting much patience at all.
Which begs the question, is Childress' coaching about patience hurting Peterson's running ability? Does the "patience" allow more tacklers to swarm to the hole? Or if Peterson hits the hole immediately does it give him a better chance to run over the one tackler trying to be blocked and his shiftiness then allows him to avoid many other would-be tacklers.
Enquiring minds want to know.

Hmmmm, I saw him waiting on the holes alot yesterday.
In fact I thought he waited to long on at least 5 (Game notes are at home) which resulted in negative yards.

Truth be told, he needs to know the difference between when he needs to be patient and when to hit it hard based on what is going on pre-snap as well as trends in the game.


You're mistaking patience with not following his blocks, the other thing the coaches are preaching to him.
On those plays where he lost
yards he kept trying to go outside the tackle or end instead of inside thinking "if I could just get around the corner, I could...."
Instead of just taking the 3 - 4 yards and a cloud of dust, he ended up losing 2 yards.
He has got to learn to take what the defense is giving him, especially on 1st down.
Second and 6 looks a lot better than 2nd and 12.

I think the patience is more on the pulling guards and things of that nature.
Deeper hand-offs where the linemen need a bit of time to open a crease.
Not running outside waiting for a defender to make a mistake.

Comeon my friend, you know I understand enough about the game to tell the difference between the two.
Suffice to say, I am not talking about the runs were he lost yards trying to get to the corner.
Those things fall into a whole other catagory of bad stuff but I didn't want Soonerbred accusing me of being mean to AD today so I didn't bring them up.......;D
;D
;D
;D

Suick
11-04-2008, 10:46 AM
I still think he cuts back into the teeth of the defense too much trying to break it for 50. Yes,
I am being picky.

On another note...............

If we could develope a screen pass play (or HB in the flat)
with AD ,it would be nearly unstoppable. The times I've seen it, the touch on the throw wasn't there or some other snafu.

Give him a couple of yards to get to second gear and its lights out. (ala Brian Westbrook)

ejmat
11-04-2008, 10:55 AM
"Formo" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.


Not often I agree with you StillPurple, but in this case, I very much do.

AP's production is down from last year..
but he's still AP.
Just opposing defenses key on him.
Their playcalling isn't necessarily taking advantage of this fact, either.
Look what Ronnie Brown has done for the 'Fins.


I'm not sure how you can say his production is down.
He may not have 5.6 YPC but he has 102.9 YPG vs. 95.8 last year.
I would say that's an increase in production.
What's nice about now is they don't have to rely on him breaking the big one becasue their passing has been more efficient.
Therefore the 2 or 3, 20+ yard gains per game are what is needed.
I believe he is learning and doing much better against stacked boxes than he did last year or even earlier in the season.

PackSux!
11-04-2008, 05:58 PM
Peterson is doing just fine and will only get better.

Purple Floyd
11-04-2008, 06:35 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.


Not often I agree with you StillPurple, but in this case, I very much do.

AP's production is down from last year..
but he's still AP.
Just opposing defenses key on him.
Their playcalling isn't necessarily taking advantage of this fact, either.
Look what Ronnie Brown has done for the 'Fins.


I'm not sure how you can say his production is down.
He may not have 5.6 YPC but he has 102.9 YPG vs. 95.8 last year.
I would say that's an increase in production.
What's nice about now is they don't have to rely on him breaking the big one becasue their passing has been more efficient.
Therefore the 2 or 3, 20+ yard gains per game are what is needed.
I believe he is learning and doing much better against stacked boxes than he did last year or even earlier in the season.


I have a feeling he will crack off a few long ones against the packers. Now that we have the passing game working they won't be able to crowd the LOS or we will kill them with Berrian and Rice. That will create more free space for Peterson to exploit. At least that is what I am praying for.

i_bleed_purple
11-04-2008, 06:42 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.


Not often I agree with you StillPurple, but in this case, I very much do.

AP's production is down from last year..
but he's still AP.
Just opposing defenses key on him.
Their playcalling isn't necessarily taking advantage of this fact, either.
Look what Ronnie Brown has done for the 'Fins.


I'm not sure how you can say his production is down.
He may not have 5.6 YPC but he has 102.9 YPG vs. 95.8 last year.
I would say that's an increase in production.
What's nice about now is they don't have to rely on him breaking the big one becasue their passing has been more efficient.
Therefore the 2 or 3, 20+ yard gains per game are what is needed.
I believe he is learning and doing much better against stacked boxes than he did last year or even earlier in the season.


I have a feeling he will crack off a few long ones against the packers. Now that we have the passing game working they won't be able to crowd the LOS or we will kill them with Berrian and Rice. That will create more free space for Peterson to exploit. At least that is what I am praying for.


you mean that same rice that has less than 100 yards on the season?

just kidding, i just like to stir the pot.

Purple Floyd
11-04-2008, 07:01 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.


Not often I agree with you StillPurple, but in this case, I very much do.

AP's production is down from last year..
but he's still AP.
Just opposing defenses key on him.
Their playcalling isn't necessarily taking advantage of this fact, either.
Look what Ronnie Brown has done for the 'Fins.


I'm not sure how you can say his production is down.
He may not have 5.6 YPC but he has 102.9 YPG vs. 95.8 last year.
I would say that's an increase in production.
What's nice about now is they don't have to rely on him breaking the big one becasue their passing has been more efficient.
Therefore the 2 or 3, 20+ yard gains per game are what is needed.
I believe he is learning and doing much better against stacked boxes than he did last year or even earlier in the season.


I have a feeling he will crack off a few long ones against the packers. Now that we have the passing game working they won't be able to crowd the LOS or we will kill them with Berrian and Rice. That will create more free space for Peterson to exploit. At least that is what I am praying for.


you mean that same rice that has less than 100 yards on the season?

just kidding, i just like to stir the pot.


Hey, I am just trying on my new and improved purple shades. Cut me some slack ;)

i_bleed_purple
11-04-2008, 07:22 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:




It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.


Not often I agree with you StillPurple, but in this case, I very much do.

AP's production is down from last year..
but he's still AP.
Just opposing defenses key on him.
Their playcalling isn't necessarily taking advantage of this fact, either.
Look what Ronnie Brown has done for the 'Fins.


I'm not sure how you can say his production is down.
He may not have 5.6 YPC but he has 102.9 YPG vs. 95.8 last year.
I would say that's an increase in production.
What's nice about now is they don't have to rely on him breaking the big one becasue their passing has been more efficient.
Therefore the 2 or 3, 20+ yard gains per game are what is needed.
I believe he is learning and doing much better against stacked boxes than he did last year or even earlier in the season.


I have a feeling he will crack off a few long ones against the packers. Now that we have the passing game working they won't be able to crowd the LOS or we will kill them with Berrian and Rice. That will create more free space for Peterson to exploit. At least that is what I am praying for.


you mean that same rice that has less than 100 yards on the season?

just kidding, i just like to stir the pot.


Hey, I am just trying on my new and improved purple shades. Cut me some slack ;)


nah I think Rice can be a threat when healthy.
He was good for us last year, but unfortunately hasn't seen the field much this year.

marstc09
11-04-2008, 07:23 PM
"Formo" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.


Not often I agree with you StillPurple, but in this case, I very much do.

AP's production is down from last year..
but he's still AP.
Just opposing defenses key on him.
Their playcalling isn't necessarily taking advantage of this fact, either.
Look what Ronnie Brown has done for the 'Fins.


It is not down that much from last year!

2007 after 8 games: 1036 yards and 8 TDs
2008 after 8 games: 823 yards and 6 TDs

A more interesting stat is his receiving numbers.

2007 after 8 games: 206 yards and 1 TD
2008 after 8 games: 65 yards and 0 TDs

I have said this many times. Why are we not using him in the passing game and getting him in space!

Ranger
11-05-2008, 04:01 AM
Peterson is just fine.
He'll always be just fine, he's just too talented and hard working to fail.

CT needs a lot more love than he gets.
He runs hard as hell, can pass block, can catch and does everything you could want from a running back.
He doesn't have the same "OH MY GOD" factor AD does when he touches the ball, but it's usually a satisfying feeling for me to see him run.
I know he'll get his.

There's nothing wrong with our rushing attack.
Nothing major, anyway.
It's working just fine.

The passing attack, should it continue to burn people deep, is going to be the deciding factor on this season.
If Gus and BB keep hooking up deep, the first thing that will change is the coverage.
If Gus makes them pay by looking them off to BB and hitting VS or Rice, then you're going to see guys backing out of the box to respect the pass.
That's when AD will strafe them.

V4L
11-05-2008, 05:18 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Formo" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


It is obvious to me that Peterson has not been quite as successful and devastating as people thought he would be. This began last year in the 49ers game, when the Niners defense stacked the box and Tarvaris could not throw us out of it. Every team after that has stacked the box against us. And it mostly has worked to keep AD from going nuts on them. The Vikings also have been very, very predictable in their playcalling, and have not gotten AD in space, for instance, by throwing the screen. This results in no lanes to run in. Unless the passing game can get us out of the stacked box, this will continue.


Not often I agree with you StillPurple, but in this case, I very much do.

AP's production is down from last year..
but he's still AP.
Just opposing defenses key on him.
Their playcalling isn't necessarily taking advantage of this fact, either.
Look what Ronnie Brown has done for the 'Fins.


It is not down that much from last year!

2007 after 8 games: 1036 yards and 8 TDs
2008 after 8 games: 823 yards and 6 TDs

A more interesting stat is his receiving numbers.

2007 after 8 games: 206 yards and 1 TD
2008 after 8 games: 65 yards and 0 TDs

I have said this many times. Why are we not using him in the passing game and getting him in space!




Although I agree we don't use him in the passing game enough I think using his last year stats and this years aren't a very good idea

The first game of the year didn't he have like a 60 or 80 yard reception?

Never the less his yardage and TDs are down though

BleedinPandG
11-06-2008, 07:07 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


It is not down that much from last year!

2007 after 8 games: 1036 yards and 8 TDs
2008 after 8 games: 823 yards and 6 TDs

A more interesting stat is his receiving numbers.

2007 after 8 games: 206 yards and 1 TD
2008 after 8 games: 65 yards and 0 TDs

I have said this many times. Why are we not using him in the passing game and getting him in space!


Yes yes... lets look at stats... do you know how many receptions AD had all of last year?
19... so far half way through this year he has 12 which puts him on pace to exceed last year's total by 25%.
The Vikings ARE throwing to him more... as I indicated earlier, he's simply not making the plays once he gets the ball.

V4L
11-07-2008, 11:36 AM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


It is not down that much from last year!

2007 after 8 games: 1036 yards and 8 TDs
2008 after 8 games: 823 yards and 6 TDs

A more interesting stat is his receiving numbers.

2007 after 8 games: 206 yards and 1 TD
2008 after 8 games: 65 yards and 0 TDs

I have said this many times. Why are we not using him in the passing game and getting him in space!


Yes yes... lets look at stats... do you know how many receptions AD had all of last year?
19... so far half way through this year he has 12 which puts him on pace to exceed last year's total by 25%.
The Vikings ARE throwing to him more... as I indicated earlier, he's simply not making the plays once he gets the ball.



Yup they key on him

And that's another reason why Chester is in more on passing plays

He can catch better and make a play easier then Adrian

Im so glad we have Chester

V-Unit
11-07-2008, 12:13 PM
"Ranger" wrote:


Peterson is just fine.
He'll always be just fine, he's just too talented and hard working to fail.

CT needs a lot more love than he gets.
He runs hard as hell, can pass block, can catch and does everything you could want from a running back.
He doesn't have the same "OH MY GOD" factor AD does when he touches the ball, but it's usually a satisfying feeling for me to see him run.
I know he'll get his.

There's nothing wrong with our rushing attack.
Nothing major, anyway.
It's working just fine.

The passing attack, should it continue to burn people deep, is going to be the deciding factor on this season.
If Gus and BB keep hooking up deep, the first thing that will change is the coverage.
If Gus makes them pay by looking them off to BB and hitting VS or Rice, then you're going to see guys backing out of the box to respect the pass.
That's when AD will strafe them.




Great post.

Puts you into the gold.

jargomcfargo
11-07-2008, 12:25 PM
AD has no patience. He doesn't follow his blocking if there is no hole there.And he doesn't wait around for one to open up.
He looks for the hole he's supposed to run to as soon as he gets the ball. If it's not there he goes somewhere else.
And it works.
Would he be better if he were more patient?
Perhaps, but It didn't appear so last week.
I wouldn't mess with his running style.

V4L
11-07-2008, 12:26 PM
I agree Jargo

Just let the man go

He is a different kinda back.. The NFL hasn't seen one quite like him

Just let him do his thing.. He makes it work