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ultravikingfan
10-12-2008, 04:03 PM
Here is your chance to vent over one ugly game!

Thank goodness we came out with the "W!"

ultravikingfan
10-12-2008, 04:04 PM
Oh yeah, thank you referees for a the hella-awesome calls!
That pas interference looked like a clean play.
But, I will take it and listen to the Lions fans whine all week!

Gift
10-12-2008, 04:06 PM
ugly, we lost that game in every way other than the score.

bs game

Storm
10-12-2008, 04:08 PM
Kick Ass Offense amasses 12 points against the Lions! More at ten.

PurplePeopleEaters
10-12-2008, 04:09 PM
We got away with one there. We did not deserve to win. Maybe this will light a fire under the ass of our team and make them realize they need to step up to even have a chance of playing the bears well next week.

Caine
10-12-2008, 04:09 PM
2 weeks in a row, we won games without any offense.
We got damn lucky.
Childress blows goats and needs to be replaced.
We managed only TEN Offensive poijnts against the Lions.....pathetic!!!

Childress is the WORST HC in the NFL.....and Bevell is no better.

We dodged 2 bullets in back to back weeks....none of it thanks to Childress.

Caine

Jilly
10-12-2008, 04:09 PM
We won...sure it was ugly but we won. I'm not sure if I can take these last minute come from behind wins...I think I'm developing an ulcer.

PurplePeopleEaters
10-12-2008, 04:10 PM
On another note, Chicago just lost. We could be in first place by default after this week.

El Vikingo
10-12-2008, 04:10 PM
Ugly as my ass,but a
baby a damn fucking W!

And one thing;WHY THE
HELL WE DIDN´T GO FOR THAT 2 EXTRA POINT CONV. that could cost us the game ,damn you Childess

BBQ Platypus
10-12-2008, 04:11 PM
Some people tried to make the case that we didn't just get lucky last week.
Well, there's NO WAY they can deny it now.
That has to be the least inspiring "victory" I've ever seen.
We were outcoached and outplayed in almost every aspect of the game.

The game ball here goes to the officials for making that horrible pass interference call that set up the field goal.
This team does not deserve to be 3-3 right now.

douginc
10-12-2008, 04:12 PM
Please see my signature below my post.......

The referees were the only ones who performed for the Vikings today.

AngloVike
10-12-2008, 04:12 PM
Well I'd like to offer my congratulations to Coach Childress and his KAO which consistently fails again and again to show up.
I'm glad for the W, feel sorry for the Lions and despair that we have such a lame arse, offensively inept coaching staff.

Now someone please try and justify why he should be on the staff come season end.

baumy300
10-12-2008, 04:13 PM
I won't say anything, because you all know how I feel about Childress.

I am just glad we did beat the Lions so I don't have to say that we are the team that gave them their 1st win.

Very ugly win, but it seems the ugly ones are the only kind we will get.

midgensa
10-12-2008, 04:14 PM
"AngloVike" wrote:


Well I'd like to offer my congratulations to Coach Childress and his KAO which consistently fails again and again to show up.
I'm glad for the W, feel sorry for the Lions and despair that we have such a lame arse, offensively inept coaching staff.

Now someone please try and justify why he should be on the staff come season end.


Well season's end is a long ways off so I cannot comment on it. But as of this point ... I cannot see him sticking around with this offensive ineptitude every week.

vikinggreg
10-12-2008, 04:15 PM
"Caine" wrote:


2 weeks in a row, we won games without any offense.
We got damn lucky.
Childress blows goats and needs to be replaced.
We managed only TEN Offensive poijnts against the Lions.....pathetic!!!

Childress is the WORST HC in the NFL.....and Bevell is no better.

We dodged 2 bullets in back to back weeks....none of it thanks to Childress.

Caine


you forgot to mention the 3rd shot in the foot Ryan Cook

Storm
10-12-2008, 04:18 PM
"El" wrote:


Ugly as my jiggly butt,but a
baby a gol 'darnit fricken W!

And one thing;WHY THE
HELL WE DIDN´T GO FOR THAT 2 EXTRA POINT CONV. that could cost us the game ,gol 'darnit you Childess


That's the question I've asked myself immediately as I saw the kick go off. We basically gave Lions the chance to eat away at the clock, instead of trying to tie it and put both teams in the same position. Why?!

PurplePeopleEaters
10-12-2008, 04:19 PM
"Caine" wrote:


2 weeks in a row, we won games without any offense.
We got damn lucky.
Childress blows goats and needs to be replaced.
We managed only TEN Offensive poijnts against the Lions.....pathetic!!!

Childress is the WORST HC in the NFL.....and Bevell is no better.

We dodged 2 bullets in back to back weeks....none of it thanks to Childress.

Caine


I agree with you 100%. It's so frustrating too. With each win, we get closer to the playoffs. If this team actually manages to make it into the playoffs, there is no way they're getting past the wild card game. No way. In that respect, if we DO make the playoffs, Childress probably won't be fired and we're stuck with vanilla offense for another year at the least. I love my Vikings but I know getting rid of Childress is for the best. I will root for a win every game no matter what but it just tears me apart knowing that with each win Childress gets a game closer to keepig his job.
>:(

scottishvike
10-12-2008, 04:19 PM
I only managed to see the last 10 minutes of the game so it's hard for me to comment too much, from what i did see it looks like we got lucky, especially with the PI call that set up the FG. I suppose a win is a win but 12 points against the Lions?

duvaldomo
10-12-2008, 04:19 PM
"douginc" wrote:


Please see my signature below my post.......

The referees were the only ones who performed for the Vikings today.


Id like to buy a vowel

ultravikingfan
10-12-2008, 04:19 PM
Man, Cook was horrible today.
The entire right side of the line was horrible.

Articnv
10-12-2008, 04:20 PM
good news we won.

Thats the only good news.
How dose a team put up 10 offensive points
agaisnt he lions.
They make orton look like brady and forte
superstar.

Out coached and underperformed again,

Thank good for the refs, who ever paying them off got to keep it up

tgorsegner
10-12-2008, 04:20 PM
The heck with it, we're in first place...

Prophet
10-12-2008, 04:21 PM
Tied for 1st in NFCN.

digital420
10-12-2008, 04:21 PM
i had to review my faith in the coaching staff of the vikings.

i cannot excuse the inept way we are handeling games... we might be one of the most talented teams.. but if we can't have a GAME DAY coach.. who can see what's going on and make changes accordingly..

then we need new coaches..

of the nice gems of the game.. it was nice seeing the flyingsaucer get involved in the game!!

and KW.. is not just a beast.. but one of the greatest DT's in the current nfl.

DiGiTaL

chug o nomics
10-12-2008, 04:22 PM
Anyone who says we had no offense, look at the box score.
We didn't do that bad on offense, AD just coughed up 2 fumbles that hurt us as well as Longwell getting a blocked FG.

BBQ Platypus
10-12-2008, 04:22 PM
"duvaldomo" wrote:


"douginc" wrote:


Please see my signature below my post.......

The referees were the only ones who performed for the Vikings today.


Id like to buy a vowel


Screw buying a vowel.
I'd like to solve the puzzle.

VikingMike
10-12-2008, 04:23 PM
Oh man, that was the ugliest win I have ever seen, but I'll take it. Yeah, ultra, Cook was bad. We couldn't pick up a blitz even if they told us it was coming.

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 04:23 PM
Bad Coaching decisions is why we don't go for 2, quite embarassing if you ask me, alot like Punting in the Titans game.

I feel about as good about this game as a I did the Saints game, probably worse. Simply put we're not a good football team.

Noboby has mentioned it yet but Peterson nearly fumbled that game away, a horrible job on his part. We left points on the field and the refs help us major. Horrible reffing.

Brad Childress is sadly prolonging his coaching carear with squeak out wins.

duvaldomo
10-12-2008, 04:23 PM
A ugly win is better than a pretty loss, love that saying. Came in handy 2 weeks straight. next week battle for first position. I swear I hope we spend every second minute and hour studying film. the bears are looking good right now but I think we can win. We win and we go into the bye with the lead and heading the Houston.

chug o nomics
10-12-2008, 04:24 PM
Yea, I was fuming over that extra point.
We've got some idiots running this team, especially when it comes to clock management.

duvaldomo
10-12-2008, 04:24 PM
Kluwe was bad that game too, half of them kicks should have went inside the 20

CCthebest
10-12-2008, 04:25 PM
This game was as ugly as my hairy a$$, but a win is a win.

THANK YOU REFS...makes up for all the bad calls the past couple years.

Our O sucks. How Gus got 300 yrds is beyond me. The Oline give NO time, and Gus gets the snot kicked out of him. Why do we still use Cook?

AD is very disappointing. So many fumbles. I think CT could have done a better game today.

swardsooner
10-12-2008, 04:26 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Bad Coaching decisions is why we don't go for 2, quite embarassing if you ask me, alot like Punting in the Titans game.

I feel about as good about this game as a I did the Saints game, probably worse. Simply put we're not a good football team.

Noboby has mentioned it yet but Peterson nearly fumbled that game away, a horrible job on his part. We left points on the field and the refs help us major. Horrible reffing.

Brad Childress is sadly prolonging his coaching carear with squeak out wins.


Yeah, what this guy said.....Keep chilly/dump Peterson

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 04:27 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Bad Coaching decisions is why we don't go for 2, quite embarassing if you ask me, alot like Punting in the Titans game.

I feel about as good about this game as a I did the Saints game, probably worse. Simply put we're not a good football team.

Noboby has mentioned it yet but Peterson nearly fumbled that game away, a horrible job on his part. We left points on the field and the refs help us major. Horrible reffing.

Brad Childress is sadly prolonging his coaching carear with squeak out wins.


Yeah, what this guy said.....Keep chilly/dump Peterson


Say What?

VikingMike
10-12-2008, 04:29 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Bad Coaching decisions is why we don't go for 2, quite embarassing if you ask me, alot like Punting in the Titans game.

I feel about as good about this game as a I did the Saints game, probably worse. Simply put we're not a good football team.

Noboby has mentioned it yet but Peterson nearly fumbled that game away, a horrible job on his part. We left points on the field and the refs help us major. Horrible reffing.

Brad Childress is sadly prolonging his coaching carear with squeak out wins.



I'm really concerned about him...IMO, he's thinking too much instead of running on instinct. Also, have you noticed all tacklers go right for his knees? No more high tackles...and he's a little reticent, understandably so.

ultravikingfan
10-12-2008, 04:30 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Bad Coaching decisions is why we don't go for 2, quite embarassing if you ask me, alot like Punting in the Titans game.

I feel about as good about this game as a I did the Saints game, probably worse. Simply put we're not a good football team.

Noboby has mentioned it yet but Peterson nearly fumbled that game away, a horrible job on his part. We left points on the field and the refs help us major. Horrible reffing.

Brad Childress is sadly prolonging his coaching carear with squeak out wins.


Yeah, what this guy said.....Keep chilly/dump Peterson


Say What?


TW said dump Peterson!

Let's get him!

Arghhhhhhhh!

*weilding knives and pitchforks!

VikingMike
10-12-2008, 04:30 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Bad Coaching decisions is why we don't go for 2, quite embarassing if you ask me, alot like Punting in the Titans game.

I feel about as good about this game as a I did the Saints game, probably worse. Simply put we're not a good football team.

Noboby has mentioned it yet but Peterson nearly fumbled that game away, a horrible job on his part. We left points on the field and the refs help us major. Horrible reffing.

Brad Childress is sadly prolonging his coaching carear with squeak out wins.


Yeah, what this guy said.....Keep chilly/dump Peterson



I think you missed something here...

28AllDay
10-12-2008, 04:31 PM
Yeah, what this guy said.....Keep chilly/dump Peterson I hope your kidding?? Thats blasphemy to say on this site.

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 04:31 PM
On the bright side Kevin Williams is a Beast. I believe he had 4 sacks today, great job.

swardsooner
10-12-2008, 04:32 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:


This game was as ugly as my hairy a$$, but a win is a win.

THANK YOU REFS...makes up for all the bad calls the past couple years.

Our O sucks. How Gus got 300 yrds is beyond me. The Oline give NO time, and Gus gets the snot kicked out of him. Why do we still use Cook?

AD is very disappointing. So many fumbles. I think CT could have done a better game today.


Yeah, what this guy said....dump Peterson NOW

Big C
10-12-2008, 04:34 PM
I'm glad we took the extra point instead of the 2 point conversion. We had most of the 4th quarter left and it would have been a moot point if the FG wasn't blocked.

My initial observations:
1. Ryan Cook SUCKS! Sacks, penalties. Bring in Marcus Johnson. It can't be worse than Cook.
2. McKinnie is solid on pass blocking but is not pulling his weight on run blocking. I saw a number of occasions where he pulled up instead of delivering a block that would have bought us a few more yards.
3. I didn't realize how steady Herron has been till Circiu played MLB. I hope Herron can play next week because Circiu was a mess.
4. AP killed two scoring drives with fumbles. Unforgiveable.
5. The play calling was horrible. We had no idea what we were doing on offense.

gregair13
10-12-2008, 04:36 PM
freaking boring game. I like good defensive games, but this was just crappy offences and terrible play calling for both teams.

i was so bored i played this game instead:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/463445

oh well. at least the bears lots. and the lolskins. and now the cowboys are going to lose so all in all good day.

and oh yeah. WE WONNNNNNNNNNN. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SUPERBOWLLLLL HERE WE COMEEEEEEEEE

KrackerJack
10-12-2008, 04:36 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"CCthebest" wrote:


This game was as ugly as my hairy a$$, but a win is a win.

THANK YOU REFS...makes up for all the bad calls the past couple years.

Our O sucks. How Gus got 300 yrds is beyond me. The Oline give NO time, and Gus gets the snot kicked out of him. Why do we still use Cook?

AD is very disappointing. So many fumbles. I think CT could have done a better game today.


Yeah, what this guy said....dump Peterson NOW


I really hope that was a joke...or it was an idiotic comment...

jorgie
10-12-2008, 04:36 PM
Childress MUST go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'(

swardsooner
10-12-2008, 04:37 PM
"Big" wrote:


I'm glad we took the extra point instead of the 2 point conversion. We had most of the 4th quarter left and it would have been a moot point if the FG wasn't blocked.

My initial observations:
1. Ryan Cook SUCKS! Sacks, penalties. Bring in Marcus Johnson. It can't be worse than Cook.
2. McKinnie is solid on pass blocking but is not pulling his weight on run blocking. I saw a number of occasions where he pulled up instead of delivering a block that would have bought us a few more yards.
3. I didn't realize how steady Herron has been till Circiu played MLB. I hope Herron can play next week because Circiu was a mess.
4. AP killed two scoring drives with fumbles. Unforgiveable.
5. The play calling was horrible. We had no idea what we were doing on offense.

"Unforgiveable".....He must go

CCthebest
10-12-2008, 04:39 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"CCthebest" wrote:


This game was as ugly as my hairy a$$, but a win is a win.

THANK YOU REFS...makes up for all the bad calls the past couple years.

Our O sucks. How Gus got 300 yrds is beyond me. The Oline give NO time, and Gus gets the snot kicked out of him. Why do we still use Cook?

AD is very disappointing. So many fumbles. I think CT could have done a better game today.


Yeah, what this guy said....dump Peterson NOW


LOL no where did i say dump AD. I said hes been dissapointing.

SIUviking
10-12-2008, 04:40 PM
"Big" wrote:


I'm glad we took the extra point instead of the 2 point conversion. We had most of the 4th quarter left and it would have been a moot point if the FG wasn't blocked.

My initial observations:
1. Ryan Cook SUCKS! Sacks, penalties. Bring in Marcus Johnson. It can't be worse than Cook.
2. McKinnie is solid on pass blocking but is not pulling his weight on run blocking. I saw a number of occasions where he pulled up instead of delivering a block that would have bought us a few more yards.
3. I didn't realize how steady Herron has been till Circiu played MLB. I hope Herron can play next week because Circiu was a mess.
4. AP killed two scoring drives with fumbles. Unforgiveable.
5. The play calling was horrible. We had no idea what we were doing on offense.




Why in the world would you want the one point? It does no good. Down by two is the same as down by one. But if you get the conversion it changes the game.

swardsooner
10-12-2008, 04:40 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:


"swardsooner" wrote:


"CCthebest" wrote:


This game was as ugly as my hairy a$$, but a win is a win.

THANK YOU REFS...makes up for all the bad calls the past couple years.

Our O sucks. How Gus got 300 yrds is beyond me. The Oline give NO time, and Gus gets the snot kicked out of him. Why do we still use Cook?

AD is very disappointing. So many fumbles. I think CT could have done a better game today.


Yeah, what this guy said....dump Peterson NOW


LOL no where did i say dump AD. I said hes been dissapointing.


I agree..."very" disappointing....must go

KrackerJack
10-12-2008, 04:41 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"Big" wrote:


I'm glad we took the extra point instead of the 2 point conversion. We had most of the 4th quarter left and it would have been a moot point if the FG wasn't blocked.

My initial observations:
1. Ryan Cook SUCKS! Sacks, penalties. Bring in Marcus Johnson. It can't be worse than Cook.
2. McKinnie is solid on pass blocking but is not pulling his weight on run blocking. I saw a number of occasions where he pulled up instead of delivering a block that would have bought us a few more yards.
3. I didn't realize how steady Herron has been till Circiu played MLB. I hope Herron can play next week because Circiu was a mess.
4. AP killed two scoring drives with fumbles. Unforgiveable.
5. The play calling was horrible. We had no idea what we were doing on offense.

"Unforgiveable".....He must go



"Unforgiveable".....He must go


Seriously...shutup, you don't know what you're talking about, at all...

KrackerJack
10-12-2008, 04:43 PM
"SIUviking" wrote:


"Big" wrote:


I'm glad we took the extra point instead of the 2 point conversion. We had most of the 4th quarter left and it would have been a moot point if the FG wasn't blocked.

My initial observations:
1. Ryan Cook SUCKS! Sacks, penalties. Bring in Marcus Johnson. It can't be worse than Cook.
2. McKinnie is solid on pass blocking but is not pulling his weight on run blocking. I saw a number of occasions where he pulled up instead of delivering a block that would have bought us a few more yards.
3. I didn't realize how steady Herron has been till Circiu played MLB. I hope Herron can play next week because Circiu was a mess.
4. AP killed two scoring drives with fumbles. Unforgiveable.
5. The play calling was horrible. We had no idea what we were doing on offense.




Why in the world would you want the one point? It does no good. Down by two is the same as down by one. But if you get the conversion it changes the game.


I agree, that one point really did us no good, we still take the lead with a field goal when down by 1 or 2, but if we make that 2, we're tied, instead of down by one, bad decision, IMO.

Del Rio
10-12-2008, 04:46 PM
Kevin Williams played a hell of a game, Jared Allen contained better then last week. Offense had its moments. Stupid mistakes made this ugly. Gus had near 300 yards AP over 100. I hate the coaches as well I am blaming the mistakes and concentration for this on. Turnovers and penalties as well as execution.

I saw 4 wr sets like you guys cry about not having. one ended up with a 80+ yard TD.

fanfrom1969
10-12-2008, 04:49 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"CCthebest" wrote:


This game was as ugly as my hairy a$$, but a win is a win.

THANK YOU REFS...makes up for all the bad calls the past couple years.

Our O sucks. How Gus got 300 yrds is beyond me. The Oline give NO time, and Gus gets the snot kicked out of him. Why do we still use Cook?

AD is very disappointing. So many fumbles. I think CT could have done a better game today.


Yeah, what this guy said....dump Peterson NOW

Ok Ok.. we're getting a bit carried away here...

C Mac D
10-12-2008, 04:56 PM
Another sloppy win and Childress' job is safe for one more week. I'm so sick of how badly he has this team playing... and it never changes, we always play to the level of our opponent no matter how bad they are.

Still in last place in approval ratings... Come on Wilf, can this clown already.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/ratings

Dekay
10-12-2008, 04:57 PM
Life is life, good is good , money is money and ugly is ugly and an ugly win is a win. Nonetheless!

Obviously its blasphemy to call out AP, but that guy is fumbleprone. I dont care how good he is. At the end i wished Taylor in for RB instead of AP and i was scared shaitless every time they handed AP the ball.

I wished we would have spread them out some with some more WR sets.

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 05:01 PM
Chester might be the best option for a consistent bases, Peterson is not only fumbling but trying to do too much, dancing and such. Chester is a consistent in terms of always getting exactly what the Offensive Line provides.

On the other hand Chester had fumble issues last season but not like what Peterson is doing. He started off the season very strong in terms of fumbles but as of late its starting to worry.

By the way Childress is "Tickled to death with the way that his players competed across the board" BS did he watch his Offensive Line, not to mention we just got done playing the worst defense in the NFL.

swardsooner
10-12-2008, 05:05 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Chester might be the best option for a consistent bases, Peterson is not only fumbling but trying to do too much, dancing and such. Chester is a consistent in terms of always getting exactly what the Offensive Line provides.

Yes, yes.....you're seeing the light now.

jkjuggalo
10-12-2008, 05:05 PM
Another phenomenal performance, the KAO earns us another victory...NOT!
It was an ugly win, but I will not say we didn't deserve it.
Our defense did what they were supposed to do and the offense scored when we needed it most.
My game ball goes Bernard Berrian, whose big play saved us from an embarrassing loss.
My second choice would have been the refs, because without two bad calls we would have lost the game.

That was the good.
Here comes the bad:

Everyone talks about how TJ can't read a defense, and Gus comes out and gets sacked four times in the first half.
Then he throws one of the worst passes I've seen from a Viking QB when he throw the INT to start the second half.
All you Gus supporters are going to throw out the yardage stats, but how many of those came on one play?
86 on a great play by Berrian.
At least he got us down the field for the game-winning field goal, but if we go another half without scoring a TD next week, it should mean the TJ experiment is back on.
I don't care if we have won two games in a row with Gus starting; our team is not going anywhere if the offense can't put up points.

The Lions came to play, but having the offense stall this bad is an embarrassment.
Much of that can also be attributed to Peterson's costly fumbles.
He is not letting the game come to him.
It looked like Peterson was getting frustrated and forcing things, slamming into people when he should be making cuts and dancing around when he should be going North and South.
If he had played even 50% more efficiently, he would have had a chance to break 200 yards again.
Hopefully when he looks at the tape this week he will figure out what he's doing wrong.

On the plus side, the refs are finally making up for several decades worth of shitty calls.
Way to go refs!
Without the PI call or the bad fumble call, we probably lose the game.
Our defense is also playing awesome.
They did well against two high-powered offenses, but this week was a little misleading with Orlovsky starting.

Here's to hoping we take the division lead in Chicago next week!
GO VIKINGS!!!

fanfrom1969
10-12-2008, 05:05 PM
"Dekay" wrote:


Life is life, good is good , money is money and ugly is ugly and an ugly win is a win. Nonetheless!

Obviously its blasphemy to call out AP, but that guy is fumbleprone. I dont care how good he is. At the end i wished Taylor in for RB instead of AP and i was scared shaitless every time they handed AP the ball.

I wished we would have spread them out some with a bit more with some more WR sets.


He has 3 fumbles the last 2 games. It would have been 4 but one was challenged on Mon. Night and overturned. He's gonna be alright though- we need a QB and 2 consistent receivers to take pressure off of him. Th O-line needs to do a better job too.

fanfrom1969
10-12-2008, 05:09 PM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


Everyone talks about how TJ can't read a defense, and Gus comes out and gets sacked four times in the first half.
Then he throws one of the worst passes I've seen from a Viking QB when he throw the INT to start the second half.
All you Gus supporters are going to throw out the yardage stats, but how many of those came on one play?
86 on a great play by Berrian.
At least he got us down the field for the game-winning field goal, but if we go another half without scoring a TD next week, it should mean the TJ experiment is back on.
I don't care if we have won two games in a row with Gus starting; our team is not going anywhere if the offense can't put up points.


I that's supposed to make the case for Tavaris Jackson- forget it.

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 05:09 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Chester might be the best option for a consistent bases, Peterson is not only fumbling but trying to do too much, dancing and such. Chester is a consistent in terms of always getting exactly what the Offensive Line provides.

Yes, yes.....you're seeing the light now.


Is your only reason for being here to protect Peterson from any criticism? I like Peterson, I lost my voice the day we drafted him but in all seriousness he's turning the ball over at a high rate while leaving points on the field. That type of thing cannott happen, we had a running game before Peterson got here, he's not everything and Chester is a great RB.

swardsooner
10-12-2008, 05:13 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Chester might be the best option for a consistent bases, Peterson is not only fumbling but trying to do too much, dancing and such. Chester is a consistent in terms of always getting exactly what the Offensive Line provides.

Yes, yes.....you're seeing the light now.


Is your only reason for being here to protect Peterson from any criticism? I like Peterson, I lost my voice the day we drafted him but in all seriousness he's turning the ball over at a high rate while leaving points on the field. That type of thing cannott happen, we had a running game before Peterson got here, he's not everything and Chester is a great RB.


And Chester will take you to the Promised Land...he's been there before!
Er, wait.....

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 05:21 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Chester might be the best option for a consistent bases, Peterson is not only fumbling but trying to do too much, dancing and such. Chester is a consistent in terms of always getting exactly what the Offensive Line provides.

Yes, yes.....you're seeing the light now.


Is your only reason for being here to protect Peterson from any criticism? I like Peterson, I lost my voice the day we drafted him but in all seriousness he's turning the ball over at a high rate while leaving points on the field. That type of thing cannott happen, we had a running game before Peterson got here, he's not everything and Chester is a great RB.


And Chester will take you to the Promised Land...he's been there before!

Er, wait.....


The only thing that takes anyone to promise land is a good consistent football team on all phases. Teams have won all the Super Bowls in the History of the NFL without Peterson. If our team were to perform up to expectations we could easily use Chester as the primary back and be successful, Peterson is a luxury but he's certainly not everything.

Your Lame.

jkjuggalo
10-12-2008, 05:26 PM
"fanfrom1969" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:


Everyone talks about how TJ can't read a defense, and Gus comes out and gets sacked four times in the first half.
Then he throws one of the worst passes I've seen from a Viking QB when he throw the INT to start the second half.
All you Gus supporters are going to throw out the yardage stats, but how many of those came on one play?
86 on a great play by Berrian.
At least he got us down the field for the game-winning field goal, but if we go another half without scoring a TD next week, it should mean the TJ experiment is back on.
I don't care if we have won two games in a row with Gus starting; our team is not going anywhere if the offense can't put up points.


I that's supposed to make the case for Tavaris Jackson- forget it.


Nice comment.
I really appreciate the insight that your post has given me.

I'm just trying to make a case for anything that will spark the offense, and right now, that isn't Gus.
Gus can't be blamed for AD's fumbles, but he can certainly be blamed for taking too many sacks.
The whole point of starting the veteran QB is his ability to read the defense and counter the blitz.
For the most part, Gus did a horrible job of that.
The Lions would send 7 guys and Gus would hold onto the ball for way too long.
His job is to find a safety valve to counteract the pressure applied by the defense.
Worst of all, our offensive production (points-wise) these past two games has been absolutely terrible.
The easiest way to find an offensive spark is a change at the QB position.
That is why we put Gus in, and he has failed to produce points also.
That is why we should admit it wasn't TJ's fault and give him another chance to show he is indeed improving.

Dekay
10-12-2008, 05:30 PM
"fanfrom1969" wrote:


"Dekay" wrote:


Life is life, good is good , money is money and ugly is ugly and an ugly win is a win. Nonetheless!

Obviously its blasphemy to call out AP, but that guy is fumbleprone. I dont care how good he is. At the end i wished Taylor in for RB instead of AP and i was scared shaitless every time they handed AP the ball.

I wished we would have spread them out some with a bit more with some more WR sets.


He has 3 fumbles the last 2 games. It would have been 4 but one was challenged on Mon. Night and overturned. He's gonna be alright though- we need a QB and 2 consistent receivers to take pressure off of him. Th O-line needs to do a better job too.


OK, so only 3 (4) in two games is OK for you?! It sure aint OK with me.

Otherwise I agree with you on a point the offensive line can do better blocking. I also wish there would be more offensive plays called there we run outside, or shift or move (im not that familiar with what its called, sorry) the offensive line to the running side and the RB could see where the line and hole opens up. I think AP (and Taylor) could do much more damage to a D# that way, instead of pounding it inside.

jkjuggalo
10-12-2008, 05:39 PM
"Dekay" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


"Dekay" wrote:


Life is life, good is good , money is money and ugly is ugly and an ugly win is a win. Nonetheless!

Obviously its blasphemy to call out AP, but that guy is fumbleprone. I dont care how good he is. At the end i wished Taylor in for RB instead of AP and i was scared shaitless every time they handed AP the ball.

I wished we would have spread them out some with a bit more with some more WR sets.


He has 3 fumbles the last 2 games. It would have been 4 but one was challenged on Mon. Night and overturned. He's gonna be alright though- we need a QB and 2 consistent receivers to take pressure off of him. Th O-line needs to do a better job too.


OK, so only 3 (4) in two games is OK for you?! It sure aint OK with me.

Otherwise I agree with you on a point the offensive line can do better blocking. I also wish there would be more offensive plays called there we run outside, or shift or move (im not that familiar with what its called, sorry) the offensive line to the running side and the RB could see where the line and hole opens up. I think AP (and Taylor) could do much more damage to a D# that way, instead of pounding it inside.


I agree that we need to attack the edges more with AD.
We don't do enough toss plays IMO.
Last year AD scored on a nice one against the Lions.
There were several times in this game where it looked like AD could have popped it outside for big games, but I think he was determined to fight for every yard by plowing people over today.
I'm pretty sure that is due to frustration caused by the offense never scoring.

Caine
10-12-2008, 05:58 PM
"chug" wrote:


Anyone who says we had no offense, look at the box score.
We didn't do that bad on offense, AD just coughed up 2 fumbles that hurt us as well as Longwell getting a blocked FG.


You are forgetting one VERY important part of the equation....the "scoring" part.


Don't fell bad, Childress forgets that part all the time.

It isn't just about how m,any yards you get passing or rushing.
It's about points put up, 3rd downs converted, and a host of other things....which is why games aren't won or lost based upon how many yards you gain.

So, to reitterate, we (the Vikings) have NO offense.
We have had a pathetic excuse for an offense ever since Chiller took over with his lame play calling and idiotic scheme.

Caine

2beersTommy
10-12-2008, 06:01 PM
we sure looked good against that TOUGH Lions defense...NOT

Garland Greene
10-12-2008, 06:05 PM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:


Everyone talks about how TJ can't read a defense, and Gus comes out and gets sacked four times in the first half.
Then he throws one of the worst passes I've seen from a Viking QB when he throw the INT to start the second half.
All you Gus supporters are going to throw out the yardage stats, but how many of those came on one play?
86 on a great play by Berrian.
At least he got us down the field for the game-winning field goal, but if we go another half without scoring a TD next week, it should mean the TJ experiment is back on.
I don't care if we have won two games in a row with Gus starting; our team is not going anywhere if the offense can't put up points.


I that's supposed to make the case for Tavaris Jackson- forget it.


Nice comment.
I really appreciate the insight that your post has given me.

I'm just trying to make a case for anything that will spark the offense, and right now, that isn't Gus.
Gus can't be blamed for AD's fumbles, but he can certainly be blamed for taking too many sacks.
The whole point of starting the veteran QB is his ability to read the defense and counter the blitz.
For the most part, Gus did a horrible job of that.
The Lions would send 7 guys and Gus would hold onto the ball for way too long.
His job is to find a safety valve to counteract the pressure applied by the defense.
Worst of all, our offensive production (points-wise) these past two games has been absolutely terrible.
The easiest way to find an offensive spark is a change at the QB position.
That is why we put Gus in, and he has failed to produce points also.
That is why we should admit it wasn't TJ's fault and give him another chance to show he is indeed improving.


I am not sure people are pro-Gus. I am not Pro Gus as he was not who I woudl of picked to be the back up in case we did(as I said we would ;)) run into this situation. But it is whi we are stuck with and given the circumstances we really do not have much of a choice.

slinkey
10-12-2008, 06:08 PM
childress's offense is just horrible.
Need a new system.
How bout the Redskins and Falcons lighting it up with young qb's and brand new offensive systems?
Proof positive Chillys offense sucks!

swardsooner
10-12-2008, 06:13 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Chester might be the best option for a consistent bases, Peterson is not only fumbling but trying to do too much, dancing and such. Chester is a consistent in terms of always getting exactly what the Offensive Line provides.

Yes, yes.....you're seeing the light now.


Is your only reason for being here to protect Peterson from any criticism? I like Peterson, I lost my voice the day we drafted him but in all seriousness he's turning the ball over at a high rate while leaving points on the field. That type of thing cannott happen, we had a running game before Peterson got here, he's not everything and Chester is a great RB.


And Chester will take you to the Promised Land...he's been there before!

Er, wait.....


The only thing that takes anyone to promise land is a good consistent football team on all phases. Teams have won all the Super Bowls in the History of the NFL without Peterson. If our team were to perform up to expectations we could easily use Chester as the primary back and be successful, Peterson is a luxury but he's certainly not everything.

Your Lame.


What about my Lame?

tclawmen
10-12-2008, 06:18 PM
"fanfrom1969" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:
[quote]
Everyone talks about how TJ can't read a defense, and Gus comes out and gets sacked four times in the first half.
Then he throws one of the worst passes I've seen from a Viking QB when he throw the INT to start the second half.
All you Gus supporters are going to throw out the yardage stats, but how many of those came on one play?
86 on a great play by Berrian.
At least he got us down the field for the game-winning field goal, but if we go another half without scoring a TD next week, it should mean the TJ experiment is back on.
I don't care if we have won two games in a row with Gus starting; our team is not going anywhere if the offense can't put up points.


The only way you can believe what you posted above is if you are related to Tjack or Childress because everyone else on this site is now dumber just for reading it.

Vikestand
10-12-2008, 06:20 PM
"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"swardsooner" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"swardsooner" wrote:




Chester might be the best option for a consistent bases, Peterson is not only fumbling but trying to do too much, dancing and such. Chester is a consistent in terms of always getting exactly what the Offensive Line provides.

Yes, yes.....you're seeing the light now.


Is your only reason for being here to protect Peterson from any criticism? I like Peterson, I lost my voice the day we drafted him but in all seriousness he's turning the ball over at a high rate while leaving points on the field. That type of thing cannott happen, we had a running game before Peterson got here, he's not everything and Chester is a great RB.


And Chester will take you to the Promised Land...he's been there before!

Er, wait.....


The only thing that takes anyone to promise land is a good consistent football team on all phases. Teams have won all the Super Bowls in the History of the NFL without Peterson. If our team were to perform up to expectations we could easily use Chester as the primary back and be successful, Peterson is a luxury but he's certainly not everything.

Your Lame.


What about my Lame?


lmao...

On that note, we won......We are well alive for the division and have a huge game this week. We win this week and we will be in first going into the bye week....

Just pray to the football gods that we don't have to watch this shit every week....

On that note, lmao at the Rams beating the Skins...

Crunchem
10-12-2008, 06:21 PM
Well we are just going to have to get used to sucking on O and hope the D is on their game.
Baltimore did it quite successfully.
Its obvious that chilly either doesnt know what he is doing on O or he just has no ability to get his team up for a game.
As for AD yep he had a bad game that happens he'll be fine.
I blame chilly for his problem because for 6 weeks teams are stuffing the box and we have no answer so when AD gets the ball he is trying to hard instead of just letting it flow.

Elam529
10-12-2008, 06:26 PM
I think that Childress is making the VIkes look bad on purpose to make other teams not try as hard. Then when theyre under that false sense of security, we sneak up and make last-minute field goals. Very cunning, Chilly.

gregair13
10-12-2008, 06:28 PM
ya'll need to stop talking like we lost. Like relax a bit here people! We got the job done, and are one step closer to taking the division. If the packers lose today, and with the bears already losing, it is right there for us to take. It really does not matter how you win, all that matters is winning and that is what we did today.

AP did fumble twice, but kindly look at all the yards he gained. 111 yards. That pretty good day, isn't it? Now if we did lose, then yes we could rag on him fumbling all we want, but guess what!? We won. So really it does not matter about the bad, its all about the good.

Now what about your defence? Hello! We were beasting out there today. Two of the best, THE BEST, wide receivers in the game, we shut down. They did nothing. Sure they were not 100%, and rookie quarterback... but again I refer to the point of this post in the fact that we won the game. As herm always says you play to win the game. And that is what we did.

Prophet
10-12-2008, 06:29 PM
"Elam529" wrote:


I think that Childress is making the VIkes look bad on purpose to make other teams not try as hard. Then when theyre under that false sense of security, we sneak up and make last-minute field goals. Very cunning, Chilly.


Someone finally gets the plan.
Don't let it leak.

Yfz01
10-12-2008, 06:31 PM
"Caine" wrote:


"chug" wrote:


Anyone who says we had no offense, look at the box score.
We didn't do that bad on offense, AD just coughed up 2 fumbles that hurt us as well as Longwell getting a blocked FG.


You are forgetting one VERY important part of the equation....the "scoring" part.


Don't fell bad, Childress forgets that part all the time.

It isn't just about how m,any yards you get passing or rushing.
It's about points put up, 3rd downs converted, and a host of other things....which is why games aren't won or lost based upon how many yards you gain.

So, to reitterate, we (the Vikings) have NO offense.
We have had a pathetic excuse for an offense ever since Chiller took over with his lame play calling and idiotic scheme.

Caine


That's funny because last week we had way less yards then NO and everyone was using that against us.
???

V4L
10-12-2008, 06:31 PM
I bet we won't play like that next week

No stupid fumbles

PacNWVike
10-12-2008, 06:38 PM
An ugly, ugly win.
Pitiful...
Are we really that bad?
???

douginc
10-12-2008, 06:46 PM
Did anyone else notice when TV showed a slow-motion overhead view of the wide receiver routes - it was one of the times in the first half when Gus was sacked - just how horrible the routes called were?
The center of the field was ENTIRELY wide open - no TE / RB / FB in the underneath, no slant routes with any of the receivers, it seemed like it was a stupid Hail Mary called.
It is flat out embarrassing how little of the field Childress uses in his schemes.
If it's 3rd and anything - we'd better throw it up deep!

FACT:
Childress is a joke.
This team is waiting to unleash its full potential when any competent head coach is given the reins.

V4L
10-12-2008, 06:47 PM
"douginc" wrote:


Did anyone else notice when they showed the overhead view during the game of the wide receiver pattern - it was one of the times in the first half when Gus was sacked how horrible the routes were?
The center of the field was ENTIRELY wide open - no TE / RB / FB in the underneath, no slant routes with any of the receivers, it seemed like it was a stupid Hail Mary called.
It is flat out embarrassing how little of the field Childress uses in his schemes.
If it's 3rd and anything - we'd better throw it up deep!

FACT:
Childress is a joke.
This team is waiting to unleash its full potential when any competent head coach is given the reins.



I saw that!!

We have horrible design

thorshammer
10-12-2008, 06:47 PM
Reading the posts you would think we lost. A win is a win. For several years the refs always screwed us and we bitched almost every week due to a bad call.
Hell even a couple of weeks ago we got screwed on the fouth an one stop we made but it went the other way. The refs have finally helped us for a change and we're still bitching.
Be happy the pendulum has swung are way. Go Vikings.

Prophet
10-12-2008, 06:48 PM
"thorshammer" wrote:


Reading the posts you would think we lost. A win is a win. For several years the refs always screwed us and we bitched almost every week due to a bad call.
Hell even a couple of weeks ago we got screwed on the fouth an one stop we made but it went the other way. The refs have finally helped us for a change and we're still bitching.
Be happy the pendulum has swung are way. Go Vikings.

+1

PacNWVike
10-12-2008, 06:50 PM
"thorshammer" wrote:


Reading the posts you would think we lost. A win is a win. For several years the refs always screwed us and we bitched almost every week due to a bad call.
Hell even a couple of weeks ago we got screwed on the fouth an one stop we made but it went the other way. The refs have finally helped us for a change and we're still bitching.
Be happy the pendulum has swung are way. Go Vikings.


I'm very happy we won, but the Vikes should be executing at a much higher level than they are.
Pure and simple.

Mr-holland
10-12-2008, 06:51 PM
You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.

COJOMAY
10-12-2008, 06:52 PM
I haven't read all the posts so someone maybe has mentioned this. I had to go to a meeting and missed the last six minutes of the game but I thought our offense stunk. And the biggest reason for that was Ryan Cook in the first half especially. That guy couldn't block a wet noodle. How many times did he let people past him for pressure or a sack and also a blocked FG.

douginc
10-12-2008, 06:54 PM
"thorshammer" wrote:


Reading the posts you would think we lost. A win is a win. For several years the refs always screwed us and we bitched almost every week due to a bad call.
Hell even a couple of weeks ago we got screwed on the fouth an one stop we made but it went the other way. The refs have finally helped us for a change and we're still bitching.
Be happy the pendulum has swung are way. Go Vikings.


I understand completely not wanting to focus on negatives.
A win is a win, and that cannot be taken away.......however here is the reason why I have serious concerns for this team.

It's exactly like your son/daughter stays up all night sending text messages and watching stupid teen TV shows instead of doing homework - then the next day somehow gets a C+ on the test.
It would be very difficult to loudly applaud and congratulate the success; without being very worried about how fundamentally wrong the preparation and efforts are, and NOT focus all attention on how poorly things will no doubt become should trends follow.
Yes, its passing, but everyone knows the success will not continue, and long term solutions should be found as soon as possible.
This football team is so much better than it appears.
We have legitimate playoff and beyond talent, and it is flat out disgusting how poorly it is being managed.
A real HC could destroy our division with the players we have.

Prophet
10-12-2008, 06:54 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


AD for the fumbles, especially the one near the endzone. Cook for the penalty that basically took away a TD, CT had the ball on the one....Cook...called for 10 yds.
That's two TDs right there.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...oh well, it's a win.

Mr-holland
10-12-2008, 06:59 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


AD for the fumbles, especially the one near the endzone. Cook for the penalty that basically took away a TD, CT had the ball on the one....Cook...called for 10 yds.
That's two TDs right there.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...oh well, it's a win.

It's ugly but it gets us to 3-3

Jilly
10-12-2008, 07:02 PM
"douginc" wrote:


"thorshammer" wrote:


Reading the posts you would think we lost. A win is a win. For several years the refs always screwed us and we bitched almost every week due to a bad call.
Hell even a couple of weeks ago we got screwed on the fouth an one stop we made but it went the other way. The refs have finally helped us for a change and we're still bitching.
Be happy the pendulum has swung are way. Go Vikings.


I understand completely not wanting to focus on negatives.
A win is a win, and that cannot be taken away.......however here is the reason why I have serious concerns for this team.

It's exactly like your son/daughter stays up all night sending text messages and watching stupid teen TV shows instead of doing homework - then the next day somehow gets a C+ on the test.
It would be very difficult to loudly applaud and congratulate the success; without being very worried about how fundamentally wrong the preparation and efforts are, and focus on how poorly things will no doubt become should trends follow.
Yes, its passing, but everyone knows it will not continue, and long term solutions should be found as soon as possible.


And to you C students, you too can become president of the United States. Maybe not such a great analogy.

Prophet
10-12-2008, 07:04 PM
"VikingMD" wrote:


"douginc" wrote:


"thorshammer" wrote:


Reading the posts you would think we lost. A win is a win. For several years the refs always screwed us and we bitched almost every week due to a bad call.
Hell even a couple of weeks ago we got screwed on the fouth an one stop we made but it went the other way. The refs have finally helped us for a change and we're still bitching.
Be happy the pendulum has swung are way. Go Vikings.


I understand completely not wanting to focus on negatives.
A win is a win, and that cannot be taken away.......however here is the reason why I have serious concerns for this team.

It's exactly like your son/daughter stays up all night sending text messages and watching stupid teen TV shows instead of doing homework - then the next day somehow gets a C+ on the test.
It would be very difficult to loudly applaud and congratulate the success; without being very worried about how fundamentally wrong the preparation and efforts are, and focus on how poorly things will no doubt become should trends follow.
Yes, its passing, but everyone knows it will not continue, and long term solutions should be found as soon as possible.


And to you C students, you too can become president of the United States. Maybe not such a great analogy.


lmao, I was liking the analogy until you ruined it for me.

jkjuggalo
10-12-2008, 07:08 PM
"tclawmen" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:
[quote]
Everyone talks about how TJ can't read a defense, and Gus comes out and gets sacked four times in the first half.
Then he throws one of the worst passes I've seen from a Viking QB when he throw the INT to start the second half.
All you Gus supporters are going to throw out the yardage stats, but how many of those came on one play?
86 on a great play by Berrian.
At least he got us down the field for the game-winning field goal, but if we go another half without scoring a TD next week, it should mean the TJ experiment is back on.
I don't care if we have won two games in a row with Gus starting; our team is not going anywhere if the offense can't put up points.


The only way you can believe what you posted above is if you are related to Tjack or Childress because everyone else on this site is now dumber just for reading it.



Wow, nice one.
Way to (poorly) use a Billy Madison quote.

Would you like to tell me where I am entirely off base, because I don't see where I'm making any outrageous claims?
All I said was Gus sucked at reading the defense and then led us down the field when it mattered.


It is hard to decipher exactly what you think is so dumb considering my apparent relation to TJack or Childress would each have different implications on this team.
It was Childress that benched TJack right?
The only thing I think you are arguing is that TJack should not start if our offense continues to suck.
If you are happy with our offense scoring ten points a game with a QB that has been proven to be average, that is your opinion.


Since I actually want our team to have the potential to compete further down the road, I'd rather us try to improve our offense with a QB that at least has the potential to improve.

thorshammer
10-12-2008, 07:08 PM
To put the win in perspective another way. If it were Denny or Tice at the helm we probably would have lost this one. We used to loose the games we are supposed to win all to often. We played a crappy game but still won. Used to be if we played a crappy game we lost 9 out of 10 times. Go Vikings.

Randy Moss
10-12-2008, 07:12 PM
Nothing wrong with the coaching in this one.
Our offense outplayed their offense, and our defense outplayed their defense.
Childress was wise to not go for two on the touchdown.

AD almost lost it for us, not Childress.
Without those two fumbles and if our offensive line played a bit better we would have won by a lot.
I hate Childress as much the next guy but I don't see how this win could be blamed on him.

Why is Ryan Cook starting?
Hicks played really well at LT, I see no reason he can't play on the right.

Webby
10-12-2008, 07:22 PM
I suggest everyone take a deep breath.

For good exercise, go back and look at the pattern of Lion's visits to the Dome.

Understand your history or you will not understand today.



0000000000

How many games in recent years have the Lions been in and blew it themselves, or should have one and we just sneak out.

Go look it up, and then relax.

Where do you think the great Detroit Blows headline came from in the Star Tribune with the Center looking like he was blowing Batch?

happy camper
10-12-2008, 07:38 PM
I'll take it.

ConnecticutViking
10-12-2008, 07:39 PM
"Webby" wrote:


I suggest everyone take a deep breath.

For good exercise, go back and look at the pattern of Lion's visits to the Dome.

Understand your history or you will not understand today.



0000000000

How many games in recent years have the Lions been in and blew it themselves, or should have one and we just sneak out.

Go look it up, and then relax.

Where do you think the great Detroit Blows headline came from in the Star Tribune with the Center looking like he was blowing Batch?


Agreed... That's two wins in a row.
A win is a win.
I'll take it.
Back to .500 and on top of the division...
Yes, I am disappointed with the Offense.
But believe it or not, it's getting better.
Look, we finally have some sort of passing game. Ferrotte is becoming more comfortable and Berian is starting to look like a deep threat.
Chilly does suck, but this team is succeeding despite him.

scottishvike
10-12-2008, 07:54 PM
"Randy" wrote:


I hate Childress as much the next guy but I don't see how this win could be blamed on him


The position he is in right now, I'm sure he would love it if he got blamed for the win!
;)

Garland Greene
10-12-2008, 08:02 PM
"ConnecticutViking" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


I suggest everyone take a deep breath.

For good exercise, go back and look at the pattern of Lion's visits to the Dome.

Understand your history or you will not understand today.



0000000000

How many games in recent years have the Lions been in and blew it themselves, or should have one and we just sneak out.

Go look it up, and then relax.

Where do you think the great Detroit Blows headline came from in the Star Tribune with the Center looking like he was blowing Batch?


Agreed... That's two wins in a row.
A win is a win.
I'll take it.
Back to .500 and on top of the division...
Yes, I am disappointed with the Offense.
But believe it or not, it's getting better.
Look, we finally have some sort of passing game. Ferrotte is becoming more comfortable and Berian is starting to look like a deep threat.
Chilly does suck, but this team is succeeding despite him.


Thank you, am I a fan of the offese? No but I will take the win, Win ugly if we must but a win is a win, and we are battling for 1st place in the division next week.

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 08:03 PM
Its good to get a win but I refuse to allow it to block the fact that this team is not what I would consider a good team and not nearly where I thought we would be coming into the season.

As far as the refs go we have been getting ripped for years now, it feels good to get some of those back but at the same time you hate to see it happen and have a huge impact on why you won. I would have rather just won flat out and not needed any help from the refs, and it would feel alot better too. A win's a win but this team has along way to go to before living up to potential and given recent history I'm not sure if that can change anytime soon.

StillPurple
10-12-2008, 08:25 PM
Defense: B+

Offense: D

The play-calling continues to be horrific. Continuous draw plays and off-tackle runs to AP into a stacked box. Totally lazy offensive playcalling with ZERO imagination. BEVELL MUST GO !!!!!

At least we won and didn't give up 2 TDs on punt returns this week...

packerbasher
10-12-2008, 08:30 PM
"Randy" wrote:


Nothing wrong with the coaching in this one.
Our offense outplayed their offense, and our defense outplayed their defense.
Childress was wise to not go for two on the touchdown.

AD almost lost it for us, not Childress.
Without those two fumbles and if our offensive line played a bit better we would have won by a lot.
I hate Childress as much the next guy but I don't see how this win could be blamed on him.

Why is Ryan Cook starting?
Hicks played really well at LT, I see no reason he can't play on the right.


Nothing wrong with the coaching?Instead of going for 2 he kicks the extra point,very very stupid,nowonder we where chanting fire childress it was great 62k plus chanting fire childress.Our offence sucked big time
AP who cant hold on to the ball,4 fumbels in 3 games,WR,S who keeping dropping balls and a QB who overthrows ,underthrows way to much.Our defence was awsome what a great game they played,once again if not for our D we lose .

El Vikingo
10-12-2008, 08:36 PM
Uglier than a chinese sucking a lemon
KW is an animal
AD worries me
Longwell got
2 balls
Refs were classy
Lions were Lions
Childress has a flower in the ass and is a coward for not attepting that 2 point conv.
we play poo but get .0.5
We ll play for the division on TNT´s home.




Vamos Vikingos Vamos!

PurplePowerPunch
10-12-2008, 08:43 PM
What did I say last year about Ryan Cook! He blows! I thought Childress wasn't calling the plays. We should've blown the Lions out yo.

shortmon
10-12-2008, 08:54 PM
I was at work so I got to catch glimpses of the game thatnks to the live feed from the chat. from what i saw we played absolutly terrible again, and a little luck and some help from the zebras got us the win.

p.s. they need mroe stickum. espeically The PJ.

C Mac D
10-12-2008, 09:17 PM
Glad to see Sauce getting involved in the passing game... gave me a big smile.

We've won the last two weeks due to Pass Interference calls, setting up game-winning field goals. Childress should give half his paycheck to the refs.

Simply sloppy play... very sloppy.

C Mac D
10-12-2008, 09:20 PM
"El" wrote:


Longwell got
2 balls


You frighten me, El...

viking1229
10-12-2008, 09:41 PM
Bill Cowher would be a perfect fit for this team Despite Chillys best efforts the Vikes pulled out 2 straight wins and for that Im happy
I was at the titan game on 9/28 and when chilly punted on 4th down before the 2 min warning down by 13 i felt cheated
this coach has no clue whatsoever he quit on the team waving the white flag he should have been fired on the plane home by ziggy, who by the way stopped by at our tailgate party
Lets kick the S**t out of the bears

vikings6490
10-12-2008, 09:56 PM
We won the game. Period.
I disagree that we were outplayed in almost every way.
The only thing they did better than us was force 3 turnovers.
That's it.
Our defense dominated again and Berrian had another huge day for us.
We finally are making big plays in the passing game which will in turn open up our running game even more.
AD is not going to fumble twice every game and the O-Line rarely every plays this poorly, maybe Cook is the problem.


I've never seen fans so sour over two straight victories...we're tied for first place now.
We need to stay positive, not constantly negative.
Yes it is frustrating being a fan of this team sometimes, but being a fan doesn't mean bashing them into the ground every time they falter.
Every team has its struggles, and our untimely turnovers almost lost us the game today but we were able to play through it and win.
We should stop complaining and realize we are tied for first in the division.
Isn't that where we wanted to be before the season started? We're tied for first and can be in first with a win next week.

Skol Vikings!

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 10:02 PM
If you want to be a fan of any team its good to be positive but It's also good to deal with Reality Honestly. These past two wins are as ugly as they come and while we needed them it would feel much better if we finished those games feeling like we're a good team based on Reality.

Webby
10-12-2008, 10:05 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


If you want to be a fan of any team its good to be positive but It's also good to deal with Reality Honestly. These past two wins are as ugly as they come and while we needed them it would feel much better if we finished those games feeling like we're a good team based on Reality.


Reality is ugly wins are as good as pretty wins.
Each one is a +1 W.

Every team has them during the year, sometimes several.
Even the good teams eek some out that they come close to blowing.


Just glad we got them.

We got to 3-3 the ugly way.
Oh well.
Let's hope we step up against Chicago.
The players will need to want it because our headmaster is too busy calling Wilf begging to keep his job to manage this team.
:)

V4L
10-12-2008, 10:15 PM
3-1 with Gus at the helm

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 10:16 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


If you want to be a fan of any team its good to be positive but It's also good to deal with Reality Honestly. These past two wins are as ugly as they come and while we needed them it would feel much better if we finished those games feeling like we're a good team based on Reality.


Reality is ugly wins are as good as pretty wins.
Each one is a +1 W.


Every team has them during the year, sometimes several.
Even the good teams eek some out that they come close to blowing.


Just glad we got them.

We got to 3-3 the ugly way.
Oh well.
Let's hope we step up against Chicago.
The players will need to want it because our headmaster is too busy calling Wilf begging to keep his job to manage this team.
:)



Thats strictly your opinion, I'm on the other side of fence on that one. It all looks the same on paper but the tape is telling everyone a different story.

I'm also glad we have won, but I'm 50/50 at this point. I believe a Coaching change will have to be made in order to accomplish the greatest goal of all. With Childress at helm thats just not gonna happen, just as the Tarvis Jackson on turf wasn't gonna happen this year, I thought at one time it might but I've changed my mind.

JMO though, I've been wrong before I guess its possible the Offensive Line could catch mad fire and we could pull a Giant/Coughlin surprise. Based on what I've seen and being completely honest with it, I'm not convinced. I'll finish out the season but I won't be near as gung ho as I was this offseason.

jessejames09
10-12-2008, 10:18 PM
We are officially MEDIOCRE! Enjoy it while it lasts vikings fans.
;D

SharperImage
10-12-2008, 10:18 PM
Hey guys we are 3-3 accept it. Look at it this way. Atleast we didn't lose the rams aka the worst team in the NFL. Losing to the lions is more respectable than losing to the Rams. We edged out a win on them. but the Redskins couldn't do it to the Rams. If they would of won in our fashion i bet they would still be considered the best NFC east team. So stop complaining cause we don't kill everyone. Shoot its the NFL this isn't college. Even though there record says they suck doesnt mean they do. There still ATHLETES



In gus we trust

In BB we believe

VikingLance
10-12-2008, 10:19 PM
I only got to watch the last 10 minutes or so, but it didn't look like very good football on the offense's part.
I think the bright side of this team is that in the six games we have played, we really haven't played a complete game.(no mistakes, INSPIREDfootball on the offensive side of the ball) and we very well could have won every game.
I can't wait until we have a HC and OC who know what they are doing!

tampaviking
10-12-2008, 10:22 PM
Reading through this thread
it feels like we lost.
I agree they need to score more points but winning is all that matters.
No matter the opponent especially a division one.
I will take 2 point victories all year.

vikdog
10-12-2008, 10:26 PM
I have been watching the Vikings since 68. Some calls go our way most not. A win is a win have to love it .Go Vikings

Schutz
10-12-2008, 10:38 PM
Good job by the Vikings.
The defense never gave up and gave us a chance to win the whole game decspite very sloppy play.
Those turnovers were unacceptable if this team wants to win week in and week out.
For a ball control football team we were letting go of the rock too much.
Offense was actually not bad today other than the turnovers, if we don't have all those turnovers this could have been more of a cruise control win.

Either way I'm excited we got back to 3-3 and now we're in for a tough battle I think down the stretch with the Pack and the Bears.
Bring on Chicago!

ultravikingfan
10-12-2008, 10:42 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


We are officially MEDIOCRE! Enjoy it while it lasts vikings fans.
;D


You do not win games like this (and last Monday) being mediocre.

In the 80's we were mediocre.
Now we are lucky to be .500.

VikingsTw
10-12-2008, 10:54 PM
I think Mediocre is a good gauge for where we are at right now, Mediocre is average correct. .500 is just about average. 3-3?

In Brad Childress's words "Average is about the worst thing you can say about sombody".

V4L
10-12-2008, 10:55 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


I think Mediocre is a good gauge for where we are at right now, Mediocre is average correct. .500 is just about average. 3-3?

In Brad Childress's words "Average is about the worst thing you can say about sombody".


Just another thing that shows he's an idiot

I can think of many things much worse

Webby
10-12-2008, 10:56 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I think Mediocre is a good gauge for where we are at right now, Mediocre is average correct. .500 is just about average. 3-3?

In Brad Childress's words "Average is about the worst thing you can say about sombody".


Just another thing that shows he's an idiot

I can think of many things much worse


Like spilling the bong water on the playbook, my friend.
Like spilling the bong water....

Purple Floyd
10-12-2008, 10:59 PM
Under Gus we do seem to be much more aggressive in pushing the ball down field when we are behind the 50 yard line, which has been lacking since 2005, but I cannot understand why we are not taking shots at the endzone when we get inside the 35 and into the red zone.

Towards the end of the game we had 2 possessions in the red zone and called runs and short passes. Would it kill them to take a shot at the endzone once in a while? It almost looks like the coaches are afraid to try to score a TD.

Cook and the whole entire OL sucked. The OL has sucked since we put in the KAO and it is time something changed. The whole offense is based on timing and there is zero timing between any two players on the team. For the love of god I would like to see them make a change in the coaching staff right now to shake things up and to start in a new direction.

VikesFan4Life
10-12-2008, 11:01 PM
My thoughts:

It's always good to get a win, no matter how ugly.

QB play: Meh.
Frerotte throws for 296 yds - Not bad, but had some miscues and still continues to be his mediocre self.
Gotta roll with him though.

RBs:
Peterson (somehow) had a 111 yd rushing game, but 2 costly fumbles in Lions territory leaves points on the field.

OL:
Diseased.
The center of the line was solid today, but the tackles were just horrendous; Cook is playing soft and getting owned, and McKinnie continues to be his lazy-ass self.
Put Hicks back at LT.

WR: Not a bad outing overall.
Berrian has another good game, Wade continues to be his scrappy self.
I do want Sidney Rice back on the field, though.

TE:
Jim Kleinsasser is awesome.

DL:
Outstanding.
6 sacks - Kevin with 4, Allen with 1.

LB: Continues to be pretty good, despite the absence of E.J.

Secondary: Eh.
Gave up one big play, but they've gotta clean up those P.I. calls.
Gordon with the sixth sack.

Special Teams:
Seemed to be better on the coverage, Kluwe had some good punts that maybe could have been inside the 20, could have done without the blocked FG, but the Lions actually have had some success blocking them on a fairly regular basis the past few years.

jessejames09
10-12-2008, 11:02 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I think Mediocre is a good gauge for where we are at right now, Mediocre is average correct. .500 is just about average. 3-3?

In Brad Childress's words "Average is about the worst thing you can say about sombody".


Just another thing that shows he's an idiot

I can think of many things much worse


Like spilling the bong water on the playbook, my friend.
Like spilling the bong water....


Is that why the play calling stinks?

V4L
10-12-2008, 11:03 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I think Mediocre is a good gauge for where we are at right now, Mediocre is average correct. .500 is just about average. 3-3?

In Brad Childress's words "Average is about the worst thing you can say about sombody".


Just another thing that shows he's an idiot

I can think of many things much worse


Like spilling the bong water on the playbook, my friend.
Like spilling the bong water....


LOL

Whatchu know bout spillin bong water?!

realviking
10-12-2008, 11:58 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier in the thread (didn't feel like reading all the pages), but I was listening to the game on the radio with PA and Bercich.
Greg Coleman relayed to the audience that the O-linemen told the coaches that the Lions D was showing pass-rushes and blitz packages that they did not anticipate at all.


If you ask me, that's a rather large indictment of the offensive coaching staff as well as Childress.

Food for thought.

VikingsTw
10-13-2008, 12:00 AM
I thought we were extremely slow to react to the problem, we did nothing to counter or adjust in the midst of their blitzing spree till later in the game.

gregair13
10-13-2008, 12:00 AM
"Ragnarok" wrote:


TE:
Jim Kleinsasser is awesome.

Is this the first time you are realizing this because Jimmy is the best

vikesnation
10-13-2008, 01:58 AM
The Vikes are amazing. They are somehow managing to win games despite Childress doing everything he can to lose them. 12 points for the kick ass offense this week,wait........ 2 of those was the defense. In the red zone why are we running AD right at the teeth of the defense,I guess thats why we are last in red zone offense in the league. If we had a real coach i imagine we would be un stoppable.

UTVikfan
10-13-2008, 02:19 AM
A win is a win. I am ok with winning.

We won by a margin of, I think 24 LESS POINTS than everyone else. Ouch. We faced the worst D or second worst D in the league, and tried to send them to the probowl with sacks..ala Winston Justice/Osi Umenyiora[sp]. Once again we chose not to hang on to the football and had a lot of penalties. We are apparently allergic to converting 3rd downs, and scoring in the red zone. It seems well coached teams don't do that. We have obscene talent...I think SD Chargers are our mirror. Well, except as bad as he is, Norv Turner is a MUCH better HC than Chilly. Neck beard Orton looked like Elway against the Lions. We barely snuck out. Sad. I OHHHHHHHHH so hope this is over after this year. Marriuci would be a great pick, since we run an illegitimate red headed version of the WCO.

Great job by the D again, considering the O's TO's and all. At least the coverage units were working today, or Childress would have again done something Tice never did....lose to the Lions.

i_bleed_purple
10-13-2008, 02:23 AM
"UTVikfan" wrote:


A win is a win. I am ok with winning.

We won by a margin of, I think 24 LESS POINTS than everyone else. Ouch. We faced the worst D or second worst D in the league, and tried to send them to the probowl with sacks..ala Winston Justice/Osi Umenyiora[sp]. Once again we chose not to hang on to the football and had a lot of penalties. We are apparently allergic to converting 3rd downs, and scoring in the red zone. It seems well coached teams don't do that. We have obscene talent...I think SD Chargers are our mirror. Well, except as bad as he is, Norv Turner is a MUCH better HC than Chilly. Neck beard Orton looked like Elway against the Lions. We barely snuck out. Sad. I OHHHHHHHHH so hope this is over after this year. Marriuci would be a great pick, since we run an illegitimate red headed version of the WCO.

Great job by the D again, considering the O's TO's and all. At least the coverage units were working today, or Childress would have again done something Tice never did....lose to the Lions.


he's already done that.
You only have to go as far back as last year to find out when.

Mr-holland
10-13-2008, 07:28 AM
Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable

NodakPaul
10-13-2008, 09:33 AM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.

VikingMike
10-13-2008, 09:41 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.



Agree 100% with that statement...we've got some beasts who can blow holes through a cement wall. Finesse is not a word I associate with offensive linemen.

Prophet
10-13-2008, 09:42 AM
"VikingMike" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.



Agree 100% with that statement...we've got some beasts who can blow holes through a cement wall. Finesse is not a word I associate with offensive linemen.


True, but, do you honestly believe it is all zone blocking?
Most teams use a mixture of the two and on any given series you see a combination of man and zone blocking.

SKOL
10-13-2008, 09:47 AM
"VikingMike" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.



Agree 100% with that statement...we've got some beasts who can blow holes through a cement wall. Finesse is not a word I associate with offensive linemen.


That's what Dalton was saying last night on Sports Final.
The zone blocking system isn't opening running lanes.
He said the times when we've switched out of zone blocking is when lanes open up for our backs.

Purple Floyd
10-13-2008, 10:02 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.



:o

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 10:05 AM
Simply amazing what a man can find to read on the internet these days.
Of course after watching a game that your favorite team won and listening to the local rubes booing that effort and chanting "Fire the HC" I am not suprised.

QB has almost 300 yards passing.
Was the 5th highest by all QB's this week and yet you rubes say the offense sucks.

We had a WR get back to back 100 yard recieving games exploiting the stacked boxes and yet you rubes say our passing attack sucks.

We have our second best WR out again this week and a guy named B-wade has another nice game after a huge game last week, leading the team in catches by the way, and you rubes still say the offense sucks.

Sauce's name is called completely suprising the D, catching them with thier shorts down and you guys say play calling is vanilla.

We saw 4 Wides, We saw AD and CT on the field at the same time, we saw 4 screens (we should never do them again cause we suck at them), a back thrown to in the flats at least 3 times, TE split wide etc etc etc and you rubes still say the play calling sucks.

We saw our Backup MLB start playing dinged, get re-injured and still tried to come back and play, then the 3rd stringer comes in and still the D played thier asses off.

We watched a Rookie Safety continue to get better on the field yesterday while the starter sits the bench with no negligable drop off in defensive play.

We watched our Star RB put the ball on the turf 3 times yesterday losing 2 and yet the staff still showed faith in him and continued to give him the ball resulting in a damn nice day of 111 yards running.

If you want to really ping on the coaches for something why don't you go ahead and get them for things that are facts like RB's who put the ball on the ground twice, or for a QB and WR who made incorrect sight adjustment (happened last week as well) again resulting in a INT.

Truth of the matter is we saw several team beat by teams they weren't supposed to lose to yesterday.
Our team won.
They won because they believe in what the staff is selling and won't quit no matter what is going on on the turf and what is going on in the stands.

Is there room for improvement?
Hell yes, some yutz on here was trying to convince you guys of that when all of you were talking SB.
We will continue to be inconsistent and it appears that will come at the most inopportune time of all, however, we over came those inconsistencies and still won didn't we?

Sorry I haven't been on much lately, however, optimism still abounds in southeastern VA.
I say, "Strap it on my friends, its gonna be a bumpy ride, but it is gonna be a damn entertaining one".
;D

The Dropper
10-13-2008, 10:05 AM
Probably bares keeping in mind--given how dismal this game was to behold--that despite being the Cowardly Lions, they are still a division rival. NFL players are professionals, ultimately. And a division rival is a division rival. So even if you're 0-5, your GM just got canned, and you have no hope of crawling out of the dark abyss that is your pathetic team, you're still going to show up to try and beat down an old rival.

I believe that accounts for at least part of what we saw yesterday. I don't want to give the Vikings' offense a pass--because let's face it, they were fucking atrocious--but I think the Lions' D deserves a little bit of credit.

douginc
10-13-2008, 10:11 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.


Have you seen the play calls we run on 3rd down??
NodakPaul is completely on with this - it's the team, however, it's coming from the top.
On damn near EVERY 3rd and medium length (8 - 5 yards) we threw up a go-route!
If you watch the game again, check how many pathetic deep threats on 3rd we threw.
Almost never utilizing slants or sideline cuts, completely ignore sending someone over the middle - and every time we attempt a screen pass, it is the saddest Pop Warner executed piece of trash I have ever seen; someone fumbles the catch, the line isn't in position to block, the defense has completely sniffed it out and is already busted up the wedge of blockers.
Childress is a little boy playing in a really big sandbox right now, and it is embarrassing as a Vikings fan to watch him squander such elite talents.

If you ever listen to ESPN Gameday radio with Dennis Green, the man flat out understands the passing game.
He talks about the field exactly like a chess board and utilizing your pieces to cover as much of the field as you can.
In my opinion, he would be a very qualified Offensive Coordinator, even though he began to fail as a HC.
He even talked about the Vikings pass offense and why it wasn't working so well - I only caught the tail end of it, but he was explaining why, logically, he knew our scheme was designed to fail in the Red Zone.
I'd love to find that clip online - I'll give it a try.

V-Unit
10-13-2008, 10:11 AM
Once again, Brad Childress shows his inability to get his team, or at least his offense up for the game. The OL easily had their worst game of the year, not only allowing all those sacks and pressures, but even a blocked FG. Miserable. Sharper, a team captain, has been horrid all season. He is supposed to be aplaymaker but you don't hear his name during games unless he is getting beat.

If I stick to my run the ball, pass effectively, limit turnovers theory, we clearly did not take care of the football. I think that was a much bigger deal than the third down conversions.

That game was a lot of bad, and we did not deserve to win. It was as if we did not gameplan at all. ZERO new wrinkles to the offense.
We somehow decided that we could beat the Lions without showing them anything new, as if Detroit doesn't watch game tape. Well, I guess we were right...The only thing I give coaches credit for is sticking with the run even though our offense was playing poorly. Amidst all the bad, there were some good things. Very good:

- Our defense was able to take advantage of the young QB and had a stellar game.
- Frerotte played well behind a miserable OL.
- Berrian had another great game and made a great play that was a big part of that win.
- AD battled the turnover troubles and still ran very well.
- Only one PR for the whole game! Yay!
- I don't know who was covering Roy Williams, but he got shutdown.
- Kevin Williams had FOUR sacks.
- We won.

I still see the light at the end of the tunnel for our offense. OL play will improve the the form of the first five weeks, and those turnovers really crippled us. Happy thoughts people!

Question: Do we stick with Wade as our 2nd WR even after Rice is healthy enough to play?

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 10:13 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.

You do realize my friend that the ZB part is mostly used during the running attack which produced 132 yards on 30 attempts right (by the way) and the man-to-man scheme for pass blocking?

Although blocking is a problem it appears to me it is more of a issue when they switch between the two with a big focus on the incorrect pre-snap read reads/adjustments by the C and QB instead of what blocking scheme the coaches have installed.
I really believe that both the C and QB can't read/figure out what the defense is doing pre-snap and setting the blocking scheme wrong.

I only saw 2 times were it appeared they audibled correctly (One time AD fumbled it by the way) out of one play into the other catching the defense in the wrong scheme.

For that, I blame the OL Coach, The OC, The HC and both the QB and C for not getting thier heads out of thier asses.

On a side note, our Defense is doing a better job the last two weeks of hiding/not showing thier hand so soon even though they did do it a few times yesterday.

Purple Floyd
10-13-2008, 10:14 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Simply amazing what a man can find to read on the internet these days.
Of course after watching a game that your favorite team won and listening to the local rubes booing that effort and chanting "Fire the HC" I am not suprised.

QB has almost 300 yards passing.
Was the 5th highest by all QB's this week and yet you rubes say the offense sucks.

We had a WR get back to back 100 yard recieving games exploiting the stacked boxes and yet you rubes say our passing attack sucks.

We have our second best WR out again this week and a guy named B-wade has another nice game after a huge game last week, leading the team in catches by the way, and you rubes still say the offense sucks.

Sauce's name is called completely suprising the D, catching them with thier shorts down and you guys say play calling is vanilla.

We saw 4 Wides, We saw AD and CT on the field at the same time, we saw 4 screens (we should never do them again cause we suck at them), a back thrown to in the flats at least 3 times, TE split wide etc etc etc and you rubes still say the play calling sucks.

We saw our Backup MLB start playing dinged, get re-injured and still tried to come back and play, then the 3rd stringer comes in and still the D played thier asses off.

We watched a Rookie Safety continue to get better on the field yesterday while the starter sits the bench with no negligable drop off in defensive play.

We watched our Star RB put the ball on the turf 3 times yesterday losing 2 and yet the staff still showed faith in him and continued to give him the ball resulting in a damn nice day of 111 yards running.

If you want to really ping on the coaches for something why don't you go ahead and get them for things that are facts like RB's who put the ball on the ground twice, or for a QB and WR who made incorrect sight adjustment (happened last week as well) again resulting in a INT.

Truth of the matter is we saw several team beat by teams they weren't supposed to lose to yesterday.
Our team won.
They won because they believe in what the staff is selling and won't quit no matter what is going on on the turf and what is going on in the stands.

Is there room for improvement?
Hell yes, some yutz on here was trying to convince you guys of that when all of you were talking SB.
We will continue to be inconsistent and it appears that will come at the most inopportune time of all, however, we over came those inconsistencies and still won didn't we?

Sorry I haven't been on much lately, however, optimism still abounds in southeastern VA.
I say, "Strap it on my friends, its gonna be a bumpy ride, but it is gonna be a damn entertaining one".
;D


Ahh yes, we can always count on you to try to put a shine on the turd. ;D

C Mac D
10-13-2008, 10:18 AM
Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 10:21 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Simply amazing what a man can find to read on the internet these days.
Of course after watching a game that your favorite team won and listening to the local rubes booing that effort and chanting "Fire the HC" I am not suprised.

QB has almost 300 yards passing.
Was the 5th highest by all QB's this week and yet you rubes say the offense sucks.

We had a WR get back to back 100 yard recieving games exploiting the stacked boxes and yet you rubes say our passing attack sucks.

We have our second best WR out again this week and a guy named B-wade has another nice game after a huge game last week, leading the team in catches by the way, and you rubes still say the offense sucks.

Sauce's name is called completely suprising the D, catching them with thier shorts down and you guys say play calling is vanilla.

We saw 4 Wides, We saw AD and CT on the field at the same time, we saw 4 screens (we should never do them again cause we suck at them), a back thrown to in the flats at least 3 times, TE split wide etc etc etc and you rubes still say the play calling sucks.

We saw our Backup MLB start playing dinged, get re-injured and still tried to come back and play, then the 3rd stringer comes in and still the D played thier dimply buttocks off.

We watched a Rookie Safety continue to get better on the field yesterday while the starter sits the bench with no negligable drop off in defensive play.

We watched our Star RB put the ball on the turf 3 times yesterday losing 2 and yet the staff still showed faith in him and continued to give him the ball resulting in a gol 'darnit nice day of 111 yards running.

If you want to really ping on the coaches for something why don't you go ahead and get them for things that are facts like RB's who put the ball on the ground twice, or for a QB and WR who made incorrect sight adjustment (happened last week as well) again resulting in a INT.

Truth of the matter is we saw several team beat by teams they weren't supposed to lose to yesterday.
Our team won.
They won because they believe in what the staff is selling and won't quit no matter what is going on on the turf and what is going on in the stands.

Is there room for improvement?
Hell yes, some yutz on here was trying to convince you guys of that when all of you were talking SB.
We will continue to be inconsistent and it appears that will come at the most inopportune time of all, however, we over came those inconsistencies and still won didn't we?

Sorry I haven't been on much lately, however, optimism still abounds in southeastern VA.
I say, "Strap it on my friends, its gonna be a bumpy ride, but it is gonna be a gol 'darnit entertaining one".
;D


Ahh yes, we can always count on you to try to put a shine on the turd. ;D

Its my job my friend.

;D

Seriously, we are tied for secondfirst after the hardest part of our schedule, other teams were upset yesterday, this team overcame 3 turnovers and scored when we needed to (again) and the D is really coming together even with some serious injuries to it.

What is not to be optimistic about?

You could be a Dallas fan today.
Nothing but hate and discontent coming out of that locker room my friend.
Our team is still battling and it appears the offense (even thow the points are low) are starting to get some yards.
Hell if you were gonna try and tell me that AD had over 100 yards, we had a QB almost throw for 300 yards and a WR get back to back 100 yard games and we only put 12 points on the board I would call you silly my friend.

Wonder what the score would have been if ex-Puker, weak jiggly butt KO leg wouldn't have missed that FG and AD wouldn't have fumbled twice or AA and Gussy boy make the correct read and they both are on the same page instead of the INT.
Lets not forget that AA made a gol 'darnit nice double move and had his guy beat deep, Gus just failed to read the same thing AA read on the sight adjustment.

Prophet
10-13-2008, 10:22 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Simply amazing what a man can find to read on the internet these days.
Of course after watching a game that your favorite team won and listening to the local rubes booing that effort and chanting "Fire the HC" I am not suprised.

QB has almost 300 yards passing.
Was the 5th highest by all QB's this week and yet you rubes say the offense sucks.

We had a WR get back to back 100 yard recieving games exploiting the stacked boxes and yet you rubes say our passing attack sucks.

We have our second best WR out again this week and a guy named B-wade has another nice game after a huge game last week, leading the team in catches by the way, and you rubes still say the offense sucks.

Sauce's name is called completely suprising the D, catching them with thier shorts down and you guys say play calling is vanilla.

We saw 4 Wides, We saw AD and CT on the field at the same time, we saw 4 screens (we should never do them again cause we suck at them), a back thrown to in the flats at least 3 times, TE split wide etc etc etc and you rubes still say the play calling sucks.

We saw our Backup MLB start playing dinged, get re-injured and still tried to come back and play, then the 3rd stringer comes in and still the D played thier asses off.

We watched a Rookie Safety continue to get better on the field yesterday while the starter sits the bench with no negligable drop off in defensive play.

We watched our Star RB put the ball on the turf 3 times yesterday losing 2 and yet the staff still showed faith in him and continued to give him the ball resulting in a damn nice day of 111 yards running.

If you want to really ping on the coaches for something why don't you go ahead and get them for things that are facts like RB's who put the ball on the ground twice, or for a QB and WR who made incorrect sight adjustment (happened last week as well) again resulting in a INT.

Truth of the matter is we saw several team beat by teams they weren't supposed to lose to yesterday.
Our team won.
They won because they believe in what the staff is selling and won't quit no matter what is going on on the turf and what is going on in the stands.

Is there room for improvement?
Hell yes, some yutz on here was trying to convince you guys of that when all of you were talking SB.
We will continue to be inconsistent and it appears that will come at the most inopportune time of all, however, we over came those inconsistencies and still won didn't we?

Sorry I haven't been on much lately, however, optimism still abounds in southeastern VA.
I say, "Strap it on my friends, its gonna be a bumpy ride, but it is gonna be a damn entertaining one".
;D


Ahh yes, we can always count on you to try to put a shine on the turd. ;D


It is refreshing to see someone bring out the bright spots.
There were many.
When the 3rd string defensive field general is in the mix and the D still does their job you have to be happy.
This site is like an overpressurized container that is ready to blow up in the heat of the day.
A sloppy win makes a pinhole in the container, releases a little pressure, but the sun is shining brightly the next day, building up pressure, waiting for the next L and the inevitable explosion that will slow the website down to the rate of the average fan's thinking process.


I agree Marr, it's going to be a stressful and fun ride this year.
It always is.
Shine that turd, put a thick enough coat on to get rid of the stench.
It is appreciated.

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 10:27 AM
"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.

Purple Floyd
10-13-2008, 10:33 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Simply amazing what a man can find to read on the internet these days.
Of course after watching a game that your favorite team won and listening to the local rubes booing that effort and chanting "Fire the HC" I am not suprised.

QB has almost 300 yards passing.
Was the 5th highest by all QB's this week and yet you rubes say the offense sucks.

We had a WR get back to back 100 yard recieving games exploiting the stacked boxes and yet you rubes say our passing attack sucks.

We have our second best WR out again this week and a guy named B-wade has another nice game after a huge game last week, leading the team in catches by the way, and you rubes still say the offense sucks.

Sauce's name is called completely suprising the D, catching them with thier shorts down and you guys say play calling is vanilla.

We saw 4 Wides, We saw AD and CT on the field at the same time, we saw 4 screens (we should never do them again cause we suck at them), a back thrown to in the flats at least 3 times, TE split wide etc etc etc and you rubes still say the play calling sucks.

We saw our Backup MLB start playing dinged, get re-injured and still tried to come back and play, then the 3rd stringer comes in and still the D played thier dimply buttocks off.

We watched a Rookie Safety continue to get better on the field yesterday while the starter sits the bench with no negligable drop off in defensive play.

We watched our Star RB put the ball on the turf 3 times yesterday losing 2 and yet the staff still showed faith in him and continued to give him the ball resulting in a gol 'darnit nice day of 111 yards running.

If you want to really ping on the coaches for something why don't you go ahead and get them for things that are facts like RB's who put the ball on the ground twice, or for a QB and WR who made incorrect sight adjustment (happened last week as well) again resulting in a INT.

Truth of the matter is we saw several team beat by teams they weren't supposed to lose to yesterday.
Our team won.
They won because they believe in what the staff is selling and won't quit no matter what is going on on the turf and what is going on in the stands.

Is there room for improvement?
Hell yes, some yutz on here was trying to convince you guys of that when all of you were talking SB.
We will continue to be inconsistent and it appears that will come at the most inopportune time of all, however, we over came those inconsistencies and still won didn't we?

Sorry I haven't been on much lately, however, optimism still abounds in southeastern VA.
I say, "Strap it on my friends, its gonna be a bumpy ride, but it is gonna be a gol 'darnit entertaining one".
;D


Ahh yes, we can always count on you to try to put a shine on the turd. ;D

Its my job my friend.

;D

Seriously, we are tied for secondfirst after the hardest part of our schedule, other teams were upset yesterday, this team overcame 3 turnovers and scored when we needed to (again) and the D is really coming together even with some serious injuries to it.

What is not to be optimistic about?

You could be a Dallas fan today.
Nothing but hate and discontent coming out of that locker room my friend.
Our team is still battling and it appears the offense (even thow the points are low) are starting to get some yards.
Hell if you were gonna try and tell me that AD had over 100 yards, we had a QB almost throw for 300 yards and a WR get back to back 100 yard games and we only put 12 points on the board I would call you silly my friend.

Wonder what the score would have been if ex-Puker, weak jiggly butt KO leg wouldn't have missed that FG and AD wouldn't have fumbled twice or AA and Gussy boy make the correct read and they both are on the same page instead of the INT.
Lets not forget that AA made a gol 'darnit nice double move and had his guy beat deep, Gus just failed to read the same thing AA read on the sight adjustment.



What is not to be optimistic about?

I'll start with this:

Today when the sun rose Childress was still the HC of the team.

You can say all you want about how Dallas is having problems while we are tied for 1st in our division, but that is digging about as deep as you can get to find the light.

We played one of, if not the worst team in the league and needed a last second FG to beat them. They had fallen behind by 21 points or more and that with their starting QB.They put in an unknown guy against us and he damn near led them to victory against our team.

I will agree with you to the extent that it at least has been tolerable to watch since gus came in knowing that he at least does have enough in him to be able to bring the team down the field to win in the end, which we never had with jackson so at least there is hope for a few wins, but considering the fact that the playoffs are looking like a long shot and any success in them is more remote, it is not a peaceful easy feeling.

C Mac D
10-13-2008, 10:33 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

Purple Floyd
10-13-2008, 10:36 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Not sure about specific adjustments, but do you think it would kill them to take a shot at the end zone when they get inside the 35?

C Mac D
10-13-2008, 10:39 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


What is not to be optimistic about?

I'll start with this:

Today when the sun rose Childress was still the HC of the team.

You can say all you want about how Dallas is having problems while we are tied for 1st in our division, but that is digging about as deep as you can get to find the light.

We played one of, if not the worst team in the league and needed a last second FG to beat them. They had fallen behind by 21 points or more and that with their starting QB.They put in an unknown guy against us and he damn near led them to victory against our team.

I will agree with you to the extent that it at least has been tolerable to watch since gus came in knowing that he at least does have enough in him to be able to bring the team down the field to win in the end, which we never had with jackson so at least there is hope for a few wins, but considering the fact that the playoffs are looking like a long shot and any success in them is more remote, it is not a peaceful easy feeling.

+1...

Anyone who thinks differently is laughable.

We won the past two weeks due to ref's... which, oddly enough, came after Chilly complained to the league about the officiating in the Tennessee loss where the player fumbled it on 4th down...

And now, suddenly, we're winning because of the refs... hmmmm.... odd....

That's not how I want to win. Childress is an AWFUL, AWFUL coach and not a leader of men by any stretch of the imagination.

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 10:41 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Not sure about specific adjustments, but do you think it would kill them to take a shot at the end zone when they get inside the 35?

It would, however,,,,,,,put yourself in Bevells shoes, you have been watching your OL get beat in pass protection when you tried to go deep but you have been getting good production out of your running game and your crossing/short patterns.


I would have opted for most of the same play calls we saw yesterday.
Minus the turvover (that INT would have got huge yards if Gus would have made the same read AA did) and we would have dominated even more than we did.
(Total yards Vikes 392/Lions 212)

V-Unit
10-13-2008, 10:52 AM
"douginc" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.


Have you seen the play calls we run on 3rd down??
NodakPaul is completely on with this - it's the team, however, it's coming from the top.
On damn near EVERY 3rd and medium length (8 - 5 yards) we threw up a go-route!
If you watch the game again, check how many pathetic deep threats on 3rd we threw.
Almost never utilizing slants or sideline cuts, completely ignore sending someone over the middle - and every time we attempt a screen pass, it is the saddest Pop Warner executed piece of trash I have ever seen; someone fumbles the catch, the line isn't in position to block, the defense has completely sniffed it out and is already busted up the wedge of blockers.
Childress is a little boy playing in a really big sandbox right now, and it is embarrassing as a Vikings fan to watch him squander such elite talents.

If you ever listen to ESPN Gameday radio with Dennis Green, the man flat out understands the passing game.
He talks about the field exactly like a chess board and utilizing your pieces to cover as much of the field as you can.
In my opinion, he would be a very qualified Offensive Coordinator, even though he began to fail as a HC.
He even talked about the Vikings pass offense and why it wasn't working so well - I only caught the tail end of it, but he was explaining why, logically, he knew our scheme was designed to fail in the Red Zone.
I'd love to find that clip online - I'll give it a try.


It is completely mind boggling and unacceptable that we can't run a screen pass. It doesn't make any sense. I'll go ahead and eat crow on this one because I was wrong wrong wrong.

We can't run a screen pass.

Json
10-13-2008, 10:54 AM
+1...

Anyone who thinks differently is laughable.

We won the past two weeks due to ref's... which, oddly enough, came after Chilly complained to the league about the officiating in the Tennessee loss where the player fumbled it on 4th down...

And now, suddenly, we're winning because of the refs... hmmmm.... odd....

That's not how I want to win. Childress is an AWFUL, AWFUL coach and not a leader of men by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm 110% positive the pass interference call on Berrian against the saints was a legitimate call.

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 10:57 AM
"V" wrote:


"douginc" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.


Have you seen the play calls we run on 3rd down??
NodakPaul is completely on with this - it's the team, however, it's coming from the top.
On gol 'darnit near EVERY 3rd and medium length (8 - 5 yards) we threw up a go-route!
If you watch the game again, check how many pathetic deep threats on 3rd we threw.
Almost never utilizing slants or sideline cuts, completely ignore sending someone over the middle - and every time we attempt a screen pass, it is the saddest Pop Warner executed piece of trash I have ever seen; someone fumbles the catch, the line isn't in position to block, the defense has completely sniffed it out and is already busted up the wedge of blockers.
Childress is a little boy playing in a really big sandbox right now, and it is embarrassing as a Vikings fan to watch him squander such elite talents.

If you ever listen to ESPN Gameday radio with Dennis Green, the man flat out understands the passing game.
He talks about the field exactly like a chess board and utilizing your pieces to cover as much of the field as you can.
In my opinion, he would be a very qualified Offensive Coordinator, even though he began to fail as a HC.
He even talked about the Vikings pass offense and why it wasn't working so well - I only caught the tail end of it, but he was explaining why, logically, he knew our scheme was designed to fail in the Red Zone.
I'd love to find that clip online - I'll give it a try.


It is completely mind boggling and unacceptable that we can't run a screen pass. It doesn't make any sense. I'll go ahead and eat crow on this one because I was wrong wrong wrong.

We can't run a screen pass.

You aren't completely wrong my friend.
We should be able to and they should be used.
Problem is we run them so bad they don't even resemble them at times.
Simply amazing to me why that is.

For that I blame the coaching staff.

Quick question(s) to Doug, were did Sauce catch the ball? What set/route did BB get most of his yards from?
Were was B-wade lining up when he made those tough catches?
How many yards did AD get pounding the rock up the middle?

Comeon my friend.
Denny is right.
It is a chess match.
Our Coaching staff just use the pieces differently and it isn't as exciting as watching Moss, Carter and Reed deep with Smith long striding down the field.

ultravikingfan
10-13-2008, 10:59 AM
"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?


Because he has won 2 straight.

Had he not, I believe he would be done.

ultravikingfan
10-13-2008, 11:00 AM
"Json" wrote:



+1...

Anyone who thinks differently is laughable.

We won the past two weeks due to ref's... which, oddly enough, came after Chilly complained to the league about the officiating in the Tennessee loss where the player fumbled it on 4th down...

And now, suddenly, we're winning because of the refs... hmmmm.... odd....

That's not how I want to win. Childress is an AWFUL, AWFUL coach and not a leader of men by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm 110% positive the pass interference call on Berrian against the saints was a legitimate call.


Hell yes it was.

C Mac D
10-13-2008, 11:00 AM
"Json" wrote:



+1...

Anyone who thinks differently is laughable.

We won the past two weeks due to ref's... which, oddly enough, came after Chilly complained to the league about the officiating in the Tennessee loss where the player fumbled it on 4th down...

And now, suddenly, we're winning because of the refs... hmmmm.... odd....

That's not how I want to win. Childress is an AWFUL, AWFUL coach and not a leader of men by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm 110% positive the pass interference call on Berrian against the saints was a legitimate call.


Yes, that definitely was. But there were SEVERAL calls that game that seemed to swing towards the Vikings. Ed Hochuli gave up trying to explain the penalties because his explanations were almost ludicrous and the Saints' fans were pissed... as I would be if they had been against the Vikes.

MinnesotaFury
10-13-2008, 11:02 AM
Minus a few plays, we looked pretty good today.
Unfortunately, those few plays came at awful times.
We turned the ball over in the redzone and had some good drives that were killed at the worst times by stupid penalties.
But as Marr said, we had 300 yards passing, 130 yards rushing, we held hte other team to 150 yards passing, and 100 yards rushing.
The rushing defense looked shaky today.

If we cleaned up the fumbles, holding calls, and false starts, this team would have put up a lot more than 12 points today.

Prophet
10-13-2008, 11:03 AM
"MinnesotaFury" wrote:


...If we cleaned up the fumbles, holding calls, and false starts, this team would have put up a lot more than 12 points today.


That much is obvious, to those without an agenda.

douginc
10-13-2008, 11:05 AM
"Json" wrote:



+1...

Anyone who thinks differently is laughable.

We won the past two weeks due to ref's... which, oddly enough, came after Chilly complained to the league about the officiating in the Tennessee loss where the player fumbled it on 4th down...

And now, suddenly, we're winning because of the refs... hmmmm.... odd....

That's not how I want to win. Childress is an AWFUL, AWFUL coach and not a leader of men by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm 110% positive the pass interference call on Berrian against the saints was a legitimate call.


I'm not a conspiracy theorist whatsoever......but on this last game, it was damn near obvious the officials had an agenda.
The penalties were too numerously stupid against the Lions.
Two phantom blocking calls on kickoffs to push them far back into their territory on kick offs.
Twice that happened, and twice even the announcers were shocked at the stupidity of the calls.
Then, that OBVIOUSLY was not a fumble that we recovered, Johnson was down well before the ball was out, the replays proved it.
In fact, Sharper had a helmet to helmet hit that should have resulted in 15 more yards for them, instead, they give the ball back to us.
Then, of course, the complete BS call of pass interference at the end to essentially give us the game.

I hate hate hate hate poor officiating, even if it goes our way.
It is disrespectful to the essence of the game, and us as Vikings fans know DAMN well how badly it feels to lose due to bad calls.
Not so much in recent memory, but we have a very long and storied history of that excruciating feeling from poor officiating.

tastywaves
10-13-2008, 11:16 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Not sure about specific adjustments, but do you think it would kill them to take a shot at the end zone when they get inside the 35?

It would, however,,,,,,,put yourself in Bevells shoes, you have been watching your OL get beat in pass protection when you tried to go deep but you have been getting good production out of your running game and your crossing/short patterns.


I would have opted for most of the same play calls we saw yesterday.
Minus the turvover (that INT would have got huge yards if Gus would have made the same read AA did) and we would have dominated even more than we did.
(Total yards Vikes 392/Lions 212)


Expecting to go into a game and slaughter anyone in this league is a huge mistake.
I don't think our team did, but many on this board did.
Interconference matchups very often end up in ugly games.
I'm very happy with the W, however we got it, it puts us at 3-3 and keeps the season meaningful.
We no doubt have a long way to go before we can feel good about our chances, but at this point we are still in it.
Look at it for what it is and not what it could have been.

All focus should now be on Chicago.
Going into Chicago and getting a W, puts us in a great position.
I don't care if we get the win because Pat Williams returns 3 INT's for TD's and the offense completely lays an egg.
At this point in the season its all about the W's.
By season end, all the criticisms that are flying around these boards (from me as well) become more relevant, providing we are still in the mix.

And there were a fair amount of positives in this game that should be recognized.
Berrian going over a 100yards two games in a row.
When is the last time we can say that?
Don't put any conditions on it like yea, but if you take away the one big play, Gus only threw a 5yd'er and Berrian did the rest.
BS, it was a 96 yard play and should be given credit as such.
Almost 300 yards of passing by Gus and we still hate on the guy, what are you expecting from him anyways.
25 carries by AD another good stat.
Limiting the opponents to 10 points, even the hapless Lions, is another great achievement.
Especially after a short week of recovery and coming off an emotional win.


I would have loved to seen us get 30 points on the board, but I'm just as happy with a 12-10 win where we had a lot of mistakes.
This means there is a lot of room for improvement right?
Will we continue to improve to a point where we can be a factor in the post season?
Who knows, I have my doubts, but by winning the last 2 games we are at least still in the mix.


How we move forward is what matters, not what we've done to this point.

I have no idea what I will see next Sunday on the field, no doubt another ugly encounter by two bruising teams, but I am excited for the game.
Since its a battle of two very strong defenses with two questionable offenses, it will probably turn out to be a high scoring affair just to show once again nobody knows what's going to happen on any given Sunday in this league.

Look at the almighty Belichek and the uber-dominant Pats, take away Brady, and he will be struggling to stay above .500 this year.
This team was 18-0 last year.
Rocket science is easy stuff compared to putting a dominant team into the NFL.

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 11:18 AM
"tastywaves" wrote:


Expecting to go into a game and slaughter anyone in this league is a huge mistake.
I don't think our team did, but many on this board did.
Interconference matchups very often end up in ugly games.
I'm very happy with the W, however we got it, it puts us at 3-3 and keeps the season meaningful.
We no doubt have a long way to go before we can feel good about our chances, but at this point we are still in it.
Look at it for what it is and not what it could have been.

All focus should now be on Chicago.
Going into Chicago and getting a W, puts us in a great position.

I don't care if we get the win because Pat Williams returns 3 INT's for TD's and the offense completely lays an egg.
At this point in the season its all about the W's.
By season end, all the criticisms that are flying around these boards (from me as well) become more relevant, providing we are still in the mix.

And there were a fair amount of positives in this game that should be recognized.
Berrian going over a 100yards two games in a row.
When is the last time we can say that?

Don't put any conditions on it like yea, but if you take away the one big play, Gus only threw a 5yd'er and Berrian did the rest.
BS, it was a 96 yard play and should be given credit as such.
Almost 300 yards of passing by Gus and we still hate on the guy, what are you expecting from him anyways.
25 carries by AD another good stat.
Limiting the opponents to 10 points, even the hapless Lions, is another great achievement.
Especially after a short week of recovery and coming off an emotional win.


I would have loved to seen us get 30 points on the board, but I'm just as happy with a 12-10 win where we had a lot of mistakes.
This means there is a lot of room for improvement right?
Will we continue to improve to a point where we can be a factor in the post season?
Who knows, I have my doubts, but by winning the last 2 games we are at least still in the mix.


How we move forward is what matters, not what we've done to this point.

I have no idea what I will see next Sunday on the field, no doubt another ugly encounter by two bruising teams, but I am excited for the game.
Since its a battle of two very strong defenses with two questionable offenses, it will probably turn out to be a high scoring affair just to show once again nobody knows what's going to happen on any given Sunday in this league.

Look at the almighty Belichek and the uber-dominant Pats, take away Brady, and he will be struggling to stay above .500 this year.
This team was 18-0 last year.

Rocket science is easy stuff compared to putting a dominant team into the NFL.

Excellent post (as always) my friend.
;D

jargomcfargo
10-13-2008, 11:19 AM
I only watched the first half so I may not be real accurate on my assessment.
Forgive me, I couldn't bear the torture of watching the rest.

Cook and the rest of the O-line didn't appear to waste a lot of their Sunday blocking. They should be well rested for the Bears.

Childress did an excellent job coaching. It takes a real good coach to only get one touchdown, one field goal, and one safety, and still win.

The refs seem to finally be calling good games the past two weeks. I apologize for being critical of them in the past.

I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth even if I know his teeth are rotten.
This team isn't as talented as some think.
And Childress has his chance to turn it around.
Hard to do without any good QB's and not much fior wide receivers.
But who knows. Football is a crazy game.

An ugly win is a win. It wasn't long ago we just losing ugly.

douginc
10-13-2008, 11:21 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"douginc" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.


Have you seen the play calls we run on 3rd down??
NodakPaul is completely on with this - it's the team, however, it's coming from the top.
On gol 'darnit near EVERY 3rd and medium length (8 - 5 yards) we threw up a go-route!
If you watch the game again, check how many pathetic deep threats on 3rd we threw.
Almost never utilizing slants or sideline cuts, completely ignore sending someone over the middle - and every time we attempt a screen pass, it is the saddest Pop Warner executed piece of trash I have ever seen; someone fumbles the catch, the line isn't in position to block, the defense has completely sniffed it out and is already busted up the wedge of blockers.
Childress is a little boy playing in a really big sandbox right now, and it is embarrassing as a Vikings fan to watch him squander such elite talents.

If you ever listen to ESPN Gameday radio with Dennis Green, the man flat out understands the passing game.
He talks about the field exactly like a chess board and utilizing your pieces to cover as much of the field as you can.
In my opinion, he would be a very qualified Offensive Coordinator, even though he began to fail as a HC.
He even talked about the Vikings pass offense and why it wasn't working so well - I only caught the tail end of it, but he was explaining why, logically, he knew our scheme was designed to fail in the Red Zone.
I'd love to find that clip online - I'll give it a try.


It is completely mind boggling and unacceptable that we can't run a screen pass. It doesn't make any sense. I'll go ahead and eat crow on this one because I was wrong wrong wrong.

We can't run a screen pass.

You aren't completely wrong my friend.
We should be able to and they should be used.
Problem is we run them so bad they don't even resemble them at times.
Simply amazing to me why that is.

For that I blame the coaching staff.

Quick question(s) to Doug, were did Sauce catch the ball? What set/route did BB get most of his yards from?
Were was B-wade lining up when he made those tough catches?
How many yards did AD get pounding the rock up the middle?

Comeon my friend.
Denny is right.
It is a chess match.
Our Coaching staff just use the pieces differently and it isn't as exciting as watching Moss, Carter and Reed deep with Smith long striding down the field.

This is exactly my point, Marr.

;)
If it works, why is it a rarity?
We run only a handful of plays across the middle, we barely utilize the field.
Our 3rd down play calls were atrocious.
Always with the embarrassing throw up go-route that just shows the fans how inept our offensive scheme is.
'Differently' is a very polite euphemism for 'pathetically'.
It's been three years - Berrian has proved he can be a #1 receiver to me, AD is of course a generational talent, CT is no slouch as a 2nd RB.
Against the worst defense in the league, which every other team rolled over, we can barely execute any sort of gameplan.
When, during the game, they showed that overhead view of the receivers on a 3rd down, they were all on these ridiculously long routes, all 4 receivers.
Not one player covering a short zone over the middle, which was disgustingly wide open.
It happened time and time again.

Childress is flat out an offensive fool.
It should be mentally incapable of anyone to use defense mechanisms to attempt to justify his position as a current NFL head coach anymore.
It has been 3 years now of mediocre offense with seemingly no overhaul.

Yes we won, but I don't care if we win frivolous games against pathetic teams.
I know, any given Sunday, but to barely eek by an 0-4 team by way of a bad call, to me is not truly a win.
I want to know we are a fundamentally sound team that can compete with the best in the league.
Over 2 years of this regime, I cannot see how we could compete in the playoffs.
I would really like to bring someone in who could before our prime talent is no longer in their prime/under contract.

jmcdon00
10-13-2008, 11:24 AM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

The lions are a professional football team. Yes they are near the bottom of all the NFL teams, but they are still dangerous. But a win is never guaranteed. It would have been nice to win huge but at the end of the day a win is a win. Look around the NFL and you will see bad teams beat good teams almost every week. And by the end of the season I fully expect the Lions to beat a couple of teams.
Childress got us the win despite his teams execution being very poor. How often do you see a team lose the turnover battle(that's the players not the coach IMHO) and still win the game?

The vikings are 3-3, and have played their toughest stretch of games for the season. They have won every game they were expected to win(the 3 losses they were underdogs).
Brad Childress has this team in good position to win the division and make the playoffs. That's all I wanted from him, or the team. Now if they don't make the playoffs then fire him the day after the vikes are eliminated but firing a coach midseason is not usually advisable, especially when his team is in a division race and very much in the playoff hunt.
I was definetly pissed off at the game when fans started chanting fire Childress while longwell was trying to kick a field goal(maybe all the noise helped the defense jump the snap and block that kick). I don't care how much you hate childress, it is not worth hurting your teams chances just to make a point. Against Detroit the fans were as much at fault for a close game as childress(not to mention there were a lot of empty seats).

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 11:27 AM
"douginc" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"douginc" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:




Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.


Have you seen the play calls we run on 3rd down??
NodakPaul is completely on with this - it's the team, however, it's coming from the top.
On gol 'darnit near EVERY 3rd and medium length (8 - 5 yards) we threw up a go-route!
If you watch the game again, check how many pathetic deep threats on 3rd we threw.
Almost never utilizing slants or sideline cuts, completely ignore sending someone over the middle - and every time we attempt a screen pass, it is the saddest Pop Warner executed piece of trash I have ever seen; someone fumbles the catch, the line isn't in position to block, the defense has completely sniffed it out and is already busted up the wedge of blockers.
Childress is a little boy playing in a really big sandbox right now, and it is embarrassing as a Vikings fan to watch him squander such elite talents.

If you ever listen to ESPN Gameday radio with Dennis Green, the man flat out understands the passing game.
He talks about the field exactly like a chess board and utilizing your pieces to cover as much of the field as you can.
In my opinion, he would be a very qualified Offensive Coordinator, even though he began to fail as a HC.
He even talked about the Vikings pass offense and why it wasn't working so well - I only caught the tail end of it, but he was explaining why, logically, he knew our scheme was designed to fail in the Red Zone.
I'd love to find that clip online - I'll give it a try.


It is completely mind boggling and unacceptable that we can't run a screen pass. It doesn't make any sense. I'll go ahead and eat crow on this one because I was wrong wrong wrong.

We can't run a screen pass.

You aren't completely wrong my friend.
We should be able to and they should be used.
Problem is we run them so bad they don't even resemble them at times.
Simply amazing to me why that is.

For that I blame the coaching staff.

Quick question(s) to Doug, were did Sauce catch the ball? What set/route did BB get most of his yards from?
Were was B-wade lining up when he made those tough catches?
How many yards did AD get pounding the rock up the middle?

Comeon my friend.
Denny is right.
It is a chess match.
Our Coaching staff just use the pieces differently and it isn't as exciting as watching Moss, Carter and Reed deep with Smith long striding down the field.

This is exactly my point, Marr.
:)
It it works, why is it a rarity?
We run only a handful of plays across the middle, we barely utilize the field.
Our 3rd down play calls were atrocious.
Always with the embarrassing throw up go-route that just shows the fans how inept our offensive scheme is.
'Differently' is a very polite euphemism for 'pathetically'.
It's been three years - Berrian has proved he can be a #1 receiver to me, AD is of course a generational talent, CT is no slouch as a 2nd RB.
Against the worst defense in the league, which every other team rolled over, we can barely execute any sort of gameplan.
When, during the game, they showed that overhead view of the receivers on a 3rd down, they were all on these ridiculously long routes, all 4 receivers.
Not one player covering a short zone over the middle, which was disgustingly wide open.
It happened time and time again.

Childress is flat out an offensive fool.
It should be mentally incapable of anyone to use defense mechanisms to attempt to justify his position as a current NFL head coach anymore.
It has been 3 years now of mediocre offense with seemingly no overhaul.

Yes we won, but I don't care if we win frivolous games against pathetic division rivals.
I want to know we are a fundamentally sound team that can compete with the best in the league.
Over 2 years of this regime, I cannot see how we could compete in the playoffs.
I would really like to bring someone in who could before our prime talent is no longer in their prime/under contract.

Very nice post my friend, however, you miss the key to the whole arguement......

It doesn't matter what the play call is if the QB and the WR's make sight adjustments pre-snap.

Maybe, just maybe the Defense showed that they were gonna have a play callled that would take that away.
The onus is on the QB and WR's to get on the same page and take advantage of something else.

Two good examples of that happened (last and this week).

a.
Last week, the long pass to AA that was caught by BB for a TD.
BB clearly made the wrong read and ran the wrong route.

b.
The INT yesterday.
AA made the correct read and adjusted his route to a double move which burned the CB and caught the S cheating up against the run.
Problem is, Gus made the wrong sight adjustment and threw the quick out vice pumping and then going deep.

Again, those things are gonna start to iron themselves out as we are seeing evidence of it now.
Again, almost a 300 yard passing game coupled with a nice running game by AD of over 100 yards.

All we as fans have to do is pay a bit of attention to what is really going on on the field (from our limited vantage point) and not buy into the crap that is spewing from the talking heads.


Again, nice post my friend.
Love talking football with someone who is as observant as you.
By the way, I think we should watch the whole game from that camera (eye in the sky).
;D

seaniemck7
10-13-2008, 11:29 AM
Say what you want about that PI on Bodden, but the hype to go against the call is staggering.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29606&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter

@ exactly 2:01 into the main highlight clip they show the replay of that call.
Bodden clearly makes contact with AA and the ball is not there yet.
The ref saw it and made the call.
Its not as "phantom" as the media makes it out to be.

Was it a mugging like last week?
No. But to me, its not that bad of call.
To hear Mooch say "incedental" contact is BS.
Running into the back of a receiver is by definition: PI.

Prophet
10-13-2008, 11:33 AM
A lot of people keep bringing up the 3rd down calls.
I find it interesting that a long pass is called on 3rd and 2 when you have a powerful running game.
Seems insane unless you are planning on going for it on the 4th down.
Here are the 3rd down plays from yesterday's game from nfl.com:

3-13-MIN 42
(13:35) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte pass incomplete short left to 19-B.Wade.

3-15-DET 39
(8:09) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte pass incomplete short left to 29-C.Taylor
3-9-DET 47
(2:54) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte pass short left to 29-C.Taylor pushed ob at DET 32 for 15 yards (27-D.Bullocks).

3-1-DET 11
(:38) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to DET 7 for 4 yards (27-D.Bullocks). FUMBLES (27-D.Bullocks), RECOVERED by DET-26-D.Smith at DET 1. 26-D.Smith to DET 1 for no gain (81-V.Shiancoe).

3-10-DET 46 (14:19) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte sacked at MIN 47 for -7 yards (95-J.DeVries).

3-6-MIN 23
(10:39) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte pass incomplete deep right to 84-A.Allison.

3-5-MIN 17
(6:57) 12-G.Frerotte pass short right to 87-B.Berrian to MIN 25 for 8 yards (28-L.Bodden).

3-7-MIN 28
(5:13) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte pass incomplete short middle to 84-A.Allison.

3-2-MIN 46
(:52) 12-G.Frerotte pass incomplete deep right to 84-A.Allison.
3-6-MIN 42
(6:28) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte pass short right intended for 84-A.Allison INTERCEPTED by 28-L.Bodden at DET 45. 28-L.Bodden pushed ob at DET 47 for 2 yards.

3-7-MIN 39
(2:13) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte sacked at MIN 30 for -9 yards (24-K.Pearson). FUMBLES (24-K.Pearson), recovered by MIN-29-C.Taylor at MIN 27. 29-C.Taylor to MIN 28 for 1 yard (24-K.Pearson).

3-8-MIN 20 (14:12) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte pass short middle to 40-J.Kleinsasser to DET 46 for 34 yards (27-D.Bullocks, 23-Keith Smith).

3-20-DET 20
(10:14) 12-G.Frerotte pass incomplete short right to 38-N.Tahi.

3-13-MIN 6
(6:39) (Shotgun) 12-G.Frerotte pass short middle to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 16 for 10 yards (28-L.Bodden).

3-7-DET 12
(:59) 28-A.Peterson right guard to DET 9 for 3 yards (99-D.White, 75-S.Cody).


Call me crazy, but, I like to actually look at the plays and situation before calling someone out.
Many are using the "all 3rd down plays are BS" card when they really had an issue with one of them that was 3rd and two and tossed deep.
There are obviously many times when 3rd down was skipped because they got a 1st before they made it to third.
Most of the plays where they were in 3rd down were relatively long and it was a passing play with an exception where the ball was given to AD.

The Childress haters on this board are often irrational in their replies and their arguments lose credibility.
At least use something real to critique him on, there are plenty of those opportunities.

Zeus
10-13-2008, 11:36 AM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


An ugly win is a win. It wasn't long ago we just losing ugly.


+1

There's no "Margin of Victory" component in determining playoff position.

=Z=

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 11:36 AM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

Comeon my friend, you know my opinion can be swayed if it is done correctly. Hell I almost advocated putting Hicks in for Cook today.

;D

As to losing to the Lions, did you or anyone think that the Lions would just roll over and not give us a challenge?
I sure the hell didn't.
Did I think it would be as close as 10-12?
Hell no but comeon.


I am sure the Bores, Skins and Cowgirls all thought they were gonna win yesterday as well and they failed in thier attempts.

Truth of the matter what counts is that this team is still playing damn hard for someone.
I like to believe it is for the themselves and that includes the coaching staff.

I for one loved watching Herron get back on the field injured, playing a good bit before finally having to be helped off (AGAIN).

Rant all you want, this team has bought into what the Chiller (and staff) are selling and are playing thier guts out.
Wonder what it would do to the team if the FO came out with a press release saying they were letting him go?

Seems to me that the ole Chiller, right or wrong, has some strong allies on this team that might have a say in that.

Herrera - Citizen ship thing.
JA - Said he wanted to come because of the Williams boys but the staff as well.
BB -
Like what was cooking in MN.
Hutch - One of the first that changed the feeling about the team and how it is/was percieved by Vets.

I can go on and on but I won't cause what I've seen in the last 2.5 years is that I can't sway you so I won't try but maybe, just maybe you are off the mark just a bit my friend.
;D ;D ;D ;D

NodakPaul
10-13-2008, 11:38 AM
"Json" wrote:



+1...

Anyone who thinks differently is laughable.

We won the past two weeks due to ref's... which, oddly enough, came after Chilly complained to the league about the officiating in the Tennessee loss where the player fumbled it on 4th down...

And now, suddenly, we're winning because of the refs... hmmmm.... odd....

That's not how I want to win. Childress is an AWFUL, AWFUL coach and not a leader of men by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm 110% positive the pass interference call on Berrian against the saints was a legitimate call.


You are correct.
It was.

The PI against the Lions yesterday was not.

Bad calls even themselves out over the course of the season.
Good teams win despite bad calls.
We have had our fair share of ugly losses, now we are getting some ugly wins.

NodakPaul
10-13-2008, 11:39 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


An ugly win is a win. It wasn't long ago we just losing ugly.


+1

There's no "Margin of Victory" component in determining playoff position.

=Z=


QFT

C Mac D
10-13-2008, 11:41 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

Comeon my friend, you know my opinion can be swayed if it is done correctly. Hell I almost advocated putting Hicks in for Cook today.

;D

As to losing to the Lions, did you or anyone think that the Lions would just roll over and not give us a challenge?
I sure the hell didn't.
Did I think it would be as close as 10-12?
Hell no but comeon.


I am sure the Bores, Skins and Cowgirls all thought they were gonna win yesterday as well and they failed in thier attempts.

Truth of the matter what counts is that this team is still playing damn hard for someone.
I like to believe it is for the themselves and that includes the coaching staff.

I for one loved watching Herron get back on the field injured, playing a good bit before finally having to be helped off (AGAIN).

Rant all you want, this team has bought into what the Chiller (and staff) are selling and are playing thier guts out.
Wonder what it would do to the team if the FO came out with a press release saying they were letting him go?

Seems to me that the ole Chiller, right or wrong, has some strong allies on this team that might have a say in that.

Herrera - Citizen ship thing.
JA - Said he wanted to come because of the Williams boys but the staff as well.
BB -
Like what was cooking in MN.
Hutch - One of the first that changed the feeling about the team and how it is/was percieved by Vets.

I can go on and on but I won't cause what I've seen in the last 2.5 years is that I can't sway you so I won't try but maybe, just maybe you are off the mark just a bit my friend.

;D ;D ;D ;D


Over the past two years we've been an average to below-average team... would you agree with that?

I'll use Childress' own words: "Saying someone is average is about the worst thing you can say"

That about sums it up for me.

Have fun rooting for mediocrity.

He can bring in all the staff/players he wants... he simply can't coach them worth a damn.


Also, Herrera owns a citizen ship? I used to go tubing off my cousin's citizen ship.

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 11:41 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


The lions are a professional football team. Yes they are near the bottom of all the NFL teams, but they are still dangerous. But a win is never guaranteed. It would have been nice to win huge but at the end of the day a win is a win. Look around the NFL and you will see bad teams beat good teams almost every week. And by the end of the season I fully expect the Lions to beat a couple of teams.
Childress got us the win despite his teams execution being very poor. How often do you see a team lose the turnover battle(that's the players not the coach IMHO) and still win the game?

The vikings are 3-3, and have played their toughest stretch of games for the season. They have won every game they were expected to win(the 3 losses they were underdogs).
Brad Childress has this team in good position to win the division and make the playoffs. That's all I wanted from him, or the team. Now if they don't make the playoffs then fire him the day after the vikes are eliminated but firing a coach midseason is not usually advisable, especially when his team is in a division race and very much in the playoff hunt.
I was definetly pissed off at the game when fans started chanting fire Childress while longwell was trying to kick a field goal(maybe all the noise helped the defense jump the snap and block that kick). I don't care how much you hate childress, it is not worth hurting your teams chances just to make a point. Against Detroit the fans were as much at fault for a close game as childress(not to mention there were a lot of empty seats).


You my friend are wise beyond your years.
What an excellent post.

I keep harping on it, however it is worthing poking the sharp stick in someone eye one more time........, I wonder who Herron kept working through his injury for.
Probably wasn't the yutz fans booing them now was it.


Simply shamefull my friends. Shamefull indeed.
::)

Purple Floyd
10-13-2008, 11:42 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

Comeon my friend, you know my opinion can be swayed if it is done correctly. Hell I almost advocated putting Hicks in for Cook today.

;D

As to losing to the Lions, did you or anyone think that the Lions would just roll over and not give us a challenge?
I sure the hell didn't.
Did I think it would be as close as 10-12?
Hell no but comeon.


I am sure the Bores, Skins and Cowgirls all thought they were gonna win yesterday as well and they failed in thier attempts.

Truth of the matter what counts is that this team is still playing damn hard for someone.
I like to believe it is for the themselves and that includes the coaching staff.

I for one loved watching Herron get back on the field injured, playing a good bit before finally having to be helped off (AGAIN).

Rant all you want, this team has bought into what the Chiller (and staff) are selling and are playing thier guts out. Wonder what it would do to the team if the FO came out with a press release saying they were letting him go?

Seems to me that the ole Chiller, right or wrong, has some strong allies on this team that might have a say in that.

Herrera - Citizen ship thing.
JA - Said he wanted to come because of the Williams boys but the staff as well.
BB -
Like what was cooking in MN.
Hutch - One of the first that changed the feeling about the team and how it is/was percieved by Vets.

I can go on and on but I won't cause what I've seen in the last 2.5 years is that I can't sway you so I won't try but maybe, just maybe you are off the mark just a bit my friend.

;D ;D ;D ;D


My guess is that the team would sigh a collective sigh of relief and go on a win streak that would put them into the playoffs where they would reach the championship game.

Prophet
10-13-2008, 12:09 PM
I remember following the team's standings by box scores in the newspaper for three decades...before Al Gore made the Internet readily available.

NFC North Team














W
L
Div
Conf
Non-Conf

Green Bay Packers
3 3
2-0
3-3


0-0
Chicago Bears



3 3
1-0
2-3


1-0
Minnesota Vikings

3 3
1-1
3-1


0-2


Detroit Lions




0 5
0-2
0-3


0-0

Three-way tie with the Packers holding the edge in the division and the Vikings holding the edge in the next level of the tie-breaker with the conference record.
Go Vikings!

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 12:23 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

Comeon my friend, you know my opinion can be swayed if it is done correctly. Hell I almost advocated putting Hicks in for Cook today.

;D

As to losing to the Lions, did you or anyone think that the Lions would just roll over and not give us a challenge?
I sure the hell didn't.
Did I think it would be as close as 10-12?
Hell no but comeon.


I am sure the Bores, Skins and Cowgirls all thought they were gonna win yesterday as well and they failed in thier attempts.

Truth of the matter what counts is that this team is still playing gol 'darnit hard for someone.
I like to believe it is for the themselves and that includes the coaching staff.

I for one loved watching Herron get back on the field injured, playing a good bit before finally having to be helped off (AGAIN).

Rant all you want, this team has bought into what the Chiller (and staff) are selling and are playing thier guts out. Wonder what it would do to the team if the FO came out with a press release saying they were letting him go?

Seems to me that the ole Chiller, right or wrong, has some strong allies on this team that might have a say in that.

Herrera - Citizen ship thing.
JA - Said he wanted to come because of the Williams boys but the staff as well.
BB -
Like what was cooking in MN.
Hutch - One of the first that changed the feeling about the team and how it is/was percieved by Vets.

I can go on and on but I won't cause what I've seen in the last 2.5 years is that I can't sway you so I won't try but maybe, just maybe you are off the mark just a bit my friend.

;D ;D ;D ;D


My guess is that the team would sigh a collective sigh of relief and go on a win streak that would put them into the playoffs where they would reach the championship game.

LOL, you are probably correct my friend.


Do you think the new HC would still suffer from inconsistent play by the players or would he come up with some new miracle coaching cure that would fix that stuff?

Problem is I am 100% (we know there is no such thing as 110%) convinced that this team has bought into what the staff is selling, hook-line-and sinker and that is the only reason why we have one regardless of how inconsistently they are executing.

Again, IMHO there are some really nice indicators that we are ironing some of those bugs out.

Get rid of the two fumbles by AD (coaches can help there) and the misread by Gus on AA's double move (coaches can help there) and we are talking about a whole new ball game.

(key note:
Notice I didn't say anything about ole Ex-Puker boys weak ass leg on KO's.
Coaching can't help that).

Purple Floyd
10-13-2008, 12:29 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

Comeon my friend, you know my opinion can be swayed if it is done correctly. Hell I almost advocated putting Hicks in for Cook today.

;D

As to losing to the Lions, did you or anyone think that the Lions would just roll over and not give us a challenge?
I sure the hell didn't.
Did I think it would be as close as 10-12?
Hell no but comeon.


I am sure the Bores, Skins and Cowgirls all thought they were gonna win yesterday as well and they failed in thier attempts.

Truth of the matter what counts is that this team is still playing gol 'darnit hard for someone.
I like to believe it is for the themselves and that includes the coaching staff.

I for one loved watching Herron get back on the field injured, playing a good bit before finally having to be helped off (AGAIN).

Rant all you want, this team has bought into what the Chiller (and staff) are selling and are playing thier guts out. Wonder what it would do to the team if the FO came out with a press release saying they were letting him go?

Seems to me that the ole Chiller, right or wrong, has some strong allies on this team that might have a say in that.

Herrera - Citizen ship thing.
JA - Said he wanted to come because of the Williams boys but the staff as well.
BB -
Like what was cooking in MN.
Hutch - One of the first that changed the feeling about the team and how it is/was percieved by Vets.

I can go on and on but I won't cause what I've seen in the last 2.5 years is that I can't sway you so I won't try but maybe, just maybe you are off the mark just a bit my friend.

;D ;D ;D ;D


My guess is that the team would sigh a collective sigh of relief and go on a win streak that would put them into the playoffs where they would reach the championship game.

LOL, you are probably correct my friend.


Do you think the new HC would still suffer from inconsistent play by the players or would he come up with some new miracle coaching cure that would fix that stuff?

Problem is I am 100% (we know there is no such thing as 110%) convinced that this team has bought into what the staff is selling, hook-line-and sinker and that is the only reason why we have one regardless of how inconsistently they are executing.

Again, IMHO there are some really nice indicators that we are ironing some of those bugs out.

Get rid of the two fumbles by AD (coaches can help there) and the misread by Gus on AA's double move (coaches can help there) and we are talking about a whole new ball game.

(key note:
Notice I didn't say anything about ole Ex-Puker boys weak ass leg on KO's.
Coaching can't help that).


It depends on who the new coach would be, but my hope would be that he would look at the players and what they do well and from there would develop a scheme that would take advantage of the players strengths and mask their weaknesses as much as possible. If there are plays or formations that the players cannot execute I would hope they would rip them out of the book and insert a few new ones that they could.

I am on the other hand 100% convinced that certain players have decided to take things into their own hands in spite of the coaching and those plays have been the difference for the better between us winning and losing. That inspiration has not come from the HC who, with every sideline camera shot has looked totally lost and out of place.

mountainviking
10-13-2008, 12:30 PM
It certainly was ugly, but a W is still a Win!
We are now tied for the division lead at 3-3.
Of course, things could change, but right now, we are winning close games vs. bad teams and losing close games vs. good teams...

BUT, in reality, If we barely beat DET at home, what snowball's chance in hell do we have on the road against a legit playoff team ???

I agree, execution has been severly lacking...fumbles, dropped passes, untimely penalties, missed blocks etc etc etc are still hurting this team every week.
But, at some point, the responsibility falls directly on the HC to have his team not just prepared, but INSPIRED TO WIN!!!

Looks to me, we're riding the KAO for better or worse for the rest of the season, but if we don't see some of these miscues cleaned up along with a .500 or better season ending record, I'll be all for bringing on a new HC and more importantly, a new offensive system and OC too.


Even with a winning record and a playoff appearance, I would personally like to see a "offensive consultant," or "Assisstant HC: Offense" or the like brought in to spend some time going through our playbook, trimming some fat and adding some seasoning!

Marrdro
10-13-2008, 12:34 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:






Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

Comeon my friend, you know my opinion can be swayed if it is done correctly. Hell I almost advocated putting Hicks in for Cook today.

;D

As to losing to the Lions, did you or anyone think that the Lions would just roll over and not give us a challenge?
I sure the hell didn't.
Did I think it would be as close as 10-12?
Hell no but comeon.


I am sure the Bores, Skins and Cowgirls all thought they were gonna win yesterday as well and they failed in thier attempts.

Truth of the matter what counts is that this team is still playing gol 'darnit hard for someone.
I like to believe it is for the themselves and that includes the coaching staff.

I for one loved watching Herron get back on the field injured, playing a good bit before finally having to be helped off (AGAIN).

Rant all you want, this team has bought into what the Chiller (and staff) are selling and are playing thier guts out. Wonder what it would do to the team if the FO came out with a press release saying they were letting him go?

Seems to me that the ole Chiller, right or wrong, has some strong allies on this team that might have a say in that.

Herrera - Citizen ship thing.
JA - Said he wanted to come because of the Williams boys but the staff as well.
BB -
Like what was cooking in MN.
Hutch - One of the first that changed the feeling about the team and how it is/was percieved by Vets.

I can go on and on but I won't cause what I've seen in the last 2.5 years is that I can't sway you so I won't try but maybe, just maybe you are off the mark just a bit my friend.

;D ;D ;D ;D


My guess is that the team would sigh a collective sigh of relief and go on a win streak that would put them into the playoffs where they would reach the championship game.

LOL, you are probably correct my friend.


Do you think the new HC would still suffer from inconsistent play by the players or would he come up with some new miracle coaching cure that would fix that stuff?

Problem is I am 100% (we know there is no such thing as 110%) convinced that this team has bought into what the staff is selling, hook-line-and sinker and that is the only reason why we have one regardless of how inconsistently they are executing.

Again, IMHO there are some really nice indicators that we are ironing some of those bugs out.

Get rid of the two fumbles by AD (coaches can help there) and the misread by Gus on AA's double move (coaches can help there) and we are talking about a whole new ball game.

(key note:
Notice I didn't say anything about ole Ex-Puker boys weak jiggly butt leg on KO's.
Coaching can't help that).


It depends on who the new coach would be, but my hope would be that he would look at the players and what they do well and from there would develop a scheme that would take advantage of the players strengths and mask their weaknesses as much as possible. If there are plays or formations that the players cannot execute I would hope they would rip them out of the book and insert a few new ones that they could.

I am on the other hand 100% convinced that certain players have decided to take things into their own hands in spite of the coaching and those plays have been the difference for the better between us winning and losing. That inspiration has not come from the HC who, with every sideline camera shot has looked totally lost and out of place.

Wow, two big points in there.....

a.
So your saying Foley, then Spielman has been drafting guys that don't fit the scheme?
Comeon my friend. I'm gullable but not that gullable.
These players were drafted because they did fit the scheme and in most cases, there were better players on the board that weren't drafted because of it.

b.
Players taking things into their own hands huh.
Playing outside the scheme I assume?
Probably why our punter got reamed last weekend I assume.
Taking things into his own hands (or foot) would be my guess.

All kidding aside, I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that the players are disenting and getting out of the scheme.
Infact, I am seeing guys like Sharper (a notorious freelancer) staying in the scheme.

Maybe I have my purple glasses on and the beast is clouding my vision my friend.
;D
;D
;D

gregair13
10-13-2008, 12:52 PM
moments of victory:
http://img.imgcake.com/jriab/clip0053.gif

VikingsTw
10-13-2008, 12:54 PM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


Say what you want about that PI on Bodden, but the hype to go against the call is staggering.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29606&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter

@ exactly 2:01 into the main highlight clip they show the replay of that call.
Bodden clearly makes contact with AA and the ball is not there yet.
The ref saw it and made the call.
Its not as "phantom" as the media makes it out to be.

Was it a mugging like last week?
No. But to me, its not that bad of call.
To hear Mooch say "incedental" contact is BS.
Running into the back of a receiver is by definition: PI.


Thats a very good point, and I've stated this. The contact was certainly there and it was there before the ball got there, I would some it up as ticky tacky. Had contact not be made I think the results of a dropped one hander are the same but your never know.

Del Rio
10-13-2008, 01:36 PM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:


Everyone talks about how TJ can't read a defense, and Gus comes out and gets sacked four times in the first half.
Then he throws one of the worst passes I've seen from a Viking QB when he throw the INT to start the second half.
All you Gus supporters are going to throw out the yardage stats, but how many of those came on one play?
86 on a great play by Berrian.
At least he got us down the field for the game-winning field goal, but if we go another half without scoring a TD next week, it should mean the TJ experiment is back on.
I don't care if we have won two games in a row with Gus starting; our team is not going anywhere if the offense can't put up points.


I that's supposed to make the case for Tavaris Jackson- forget it.


Nice comment.
I really appreciate the insight that your post has given me.

I'm just trying to make a case for anything that will spark the offense, and right now, that isn't Gus.
Gus can't be blamed for AD's fumbles, but he can certainly be blamed for taking too many sacks.
The whole point of starting the veteran QB is his ability to read the defense and counter the blitz.
For the most part, Gus did a horrible job of that.
The Lions would send 7 guys and Gus would hold onto the ball for way too long.
His job is to find a safety valve to counteract the pressure applied by the defense.
Worst of all, our offensive production (points-wise) these past two games has been absolutely terrible.
The easiest way to find an offensive spark is a change at the QB position.
That is why we put Gus in, and he has failed to produce points also.
That is why we should admit it wasn't TJ's fault and give him another chance to show he is indeed improving.


TJ made the mistake of admitting that he is a pussy and too affraid to throw. Gus throws. Sometimes for good sometimes for bad, but he pulls the trigger thats the only reason he is in the game.

Purple Floyd
10-13-2008, 01:40 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:



Maybe I have my purple glasses on and the beast is clouding my vision my friend.

;D
;D
;D



You do and it is.

ultravikingfan
10-13-2008, 01:44 PM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


Say what you want about that PI on Bodden, but the hype to go against the call is staggering.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29606&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter

@ exactly 2:01 into the main highlight clip they show the replay of that call.
Bodden clearly makes contact with AA and the ball is not there yet.
The ref saw it and made the call.
Its not as "phantom" as the media makes it out to be.

Was it a mugging like last week?
No. But to me, its not that bad of call.
To hear Mooch say "incedental" contact is BS.
Running into the back of a receiver is by definition: PI.


Without having Viking's Blinders on, it was a bad call.
Had he not been looking back at the ball, then it would be a penalty.

Del Rio
10-13-2008, 01:48 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"seaniemck7" wrote:


Say what you want about that PI on Bodden, but the hype to go against the call is staggering.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29606&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter

@ exactly 2:01 into the main highlight clip they show the replay of that call.
Bodden clearly makes contact with AA and the ball is not there yet.
The ref saw it and made the call.
Its not as "phantom" as the media makes it out to be.

Was it a mugging like last week?
No. But to me, its not that bad of call.
To hear Mooch say "incedental" contact is BS.
Running into the back of a receiver is by definition: PI.


Without having Viking's Blinders on, it was a bad call.
Had he not been looking back at the ball, then it would be a penalty.


Exactly both players have the right to make a play on the ball. He can run into the WR as long as he is focused on the ball and attempting to make a play, that is indeed incedental contact. Running into the back of a receiver is not PI by definition. It depends on the circumstances.

Defender has just as much right to a ball in the air as an offensive player.

gagarr
10-13-2008, 01:50 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"seaniemck7" wrote:


Say what you want about that PI on Bodden, but the hype to go against the call is staggering.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29606&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter

@ exactly 2:01 into the main highlight clip they show the replay of that call.
Bodden clearly makes contact with AA and the ball is not there yet.
The ref saw it and made the call.
Its not as "phantom" as the media makes it out to be.

Was it a mugging like last week?
No. But to me, its not that bad of call.
To hear Mooch say "incedental" contact is BS.
Running into the back of a receiver is by definition: PI.


Thats a very good point, and I've stated this. The contact was certainly there and it was there before the ball got there, I would some it up as ticky tacky. Had contact not be made I think the results of a dropped one hander are the same but your never know.


It was a bad call, at the sports bar, I was embarrassed.
But as I told the Lion's fan, it's just the way it goes.
The Vikes have been robbed before too.
Humans make mistakes. But what goes around comes around and surely a bad call will go the Lion's way in the future.

Let's just hope it's against the Pack or Bears and not against the Vikes :)

VikingsTw
10-13-2008, 01:53 PM
Who's to say we wouldn't have gotten down the field anyway, the PI call was great but we still had 2 more chances to go 20 yards and get that first down and I believe we had all if not most of our timeouts. It was a botched call but it doesn't garuntee the Lions victory by any means but it did change the complextion.

Jereamiah
10-13-2008, 01:54 PM
I was really glad to see Kleinsasser get the ball. That was a great play called for a solid player. I was a bit pissed at the announcer saying that the 'Vikes "Should be ashamed of themselves" being down 3-2 to the Lions. WTF? I liked it. It was a win. ;D

VikingsTw
10-13-2008, 01:57 PM
Had the Lions won that game they could have been considered as lucky as us with all the mistakes we made, including the turnovers in scoring position. Thats what scares me about this team, self destruction is our own worst enemy and has been for along time. We had good yardage on offense and played a very solid game on defense aside from that first second half drive. I think we outplayed the Lions but we only had a few points to show for it.

NodakPaul
10-13-2008, 02:28 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Who's to say we wouldn't have gotten down the field anyway, the PI call was great but we still had 2 more chances to go 20 yards and get that first down and I believe we had all if not most of our timeouts. It was a botched call but it doesn't garuntee the Lions victory by any means but it did change the complextion.


Correct.
A bad call doesn't ever give the game to one team or the other.
It could just as easily be said that stepping out of bounds in the back of the endzone cost the Lions the game.

It WAS a botched call.
But it was not the reason the Vikings won.
We won because we were the better team we sucked less.

seaniemck7
10-13-2008, 03:16 PM
"Del" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"seaniemck7" wrote:


Say what you want about that PI on Bodden, but the hype to go against the call is staggering.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29606&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter

@ exactly 2:01 into the main highlight clip they show the replay of that call.
Bodden clearly makes contact with AA and the ball is not there yet.
The ref saw it and made the call.
Its not as "phantom" as the media makes it out to be.

Was it a mugging like last week?
No. But to me, its not that bad of call.
To hear Mooch say "incedental" contact is BS.
Running into the back of a receiver is by definition: PI.


Without having Viking's Blinders on, it was a bad call.
Had he not been looking back at the ball, then it would be a penalty.


Exactly both players have the right to make a play on the ball. He can run into the WR as long as he is focused on the ball and attempting to make a play, that is indeed incedental contact. Running into the back of a receiver is not PI by definition. It depends on the circumstances.

Defender has just as much right to a ball in the air as an offensive player.


Sure he does, however AA has his hands going up for the ball.
Bodden's hand(s) are on AA.
I am not saying its a great call.
My point is that I can see how the ref in realtime called PI.
AA is going for the catch, contact is made and results in an incomplete pass when the recevier gets one hand on the ball.

Under those circumstances, I can see the ref make that call.
I have certainly seen worse PI/nonPI calls on us this year alone.

PurpleSun
10-13-2008, 03:29 PM
"Jereamiah" wrote:


I was really glad to see Kleinsasser get the ball. That was a great play called for a solid player. I was a bit pissed at the announcer saying that the 'Vikes "Should be ashamed of themselves" being down 3-2 to the Lions. WTF? I liked it. It was a win. ;D


I agree, Big K is finally get more chances.
He's already has as many receptions as he did last year.
Big K has 15 receptions under Childress, in just 2005 Big K had 22.

C Mac D
10-13-2008, 03:37 PM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Jereamiah" wrote:


I was really glad to see Kleinsasser get the ball. That was a great play called for a solid player. I was a bit pissed at the announcer saying that the 'Vikes "Should be ashamed of themselves" being down 3-2 to the Lions. WTF? I liked it. It was a win. ;D


I agree, Big K is finally get more chances.
He's already has as many receptions as he did last year.
Big K has 15 receptions under Childress, in just 2005 Big K had 22.


Yeah, yet another example of how he can't utilize the talent he has... it's humorous how obvious it is.

Sauce is the man.

MaxVike
10-13-2008, 04:02 PM
Offense:
I'm mixed.
Encouraged by Berrian, Kleinny, Wade (even though he dropped a pass and fumbled on a long gainer).
The offensive line was offensive.
Truly have no idea WTF.
Not sure how we continually throw 15+ yard passes when it's 3/5, 3/6, 3/7, 3/9.
Allison ran his long out pattern too far (I'd be willing to bet you money) on Gus' interception.
Chester Taylor dropped a pass.
AD can't pass block to save his life, it's really kind of embarrassing.
Red Zone offense is a complete disaster...simply cannot get any worse.
So, what is the upside?
Well, Sidney Rice hasn't really played at all yet
:-\

Defense:
Other than one 49 yard run, they shut down the run...don't care what the announcers said.
They had 100 yards rushing, 49 on one play.
Kevin Williams is showing why he is an All-Pro.
Allen is continually running loose on the blind side, causing QB's to either roll right or step up.
Stepping up is dangerous, that's KWill territory.
Ray Edwards got manhandled yesterday.
MLB is a giant concern.
Leber played well, as did Greenway.
Sharper has most definitely lost a step (and a half).
Overall, giving up 8 first downs, I don't care who you play against, is a solid effort.

Special Teams:
A decent return by Gordon on a punt.
Punt after punt after punt went into the end zone.
Blocked FG, are you kidding me?

Coaching:
I have no idea how on earth you go kick an extra point when down 10-8...what a comeplete boner; the unfortunate thing about it is that it is a complete endorsement of how shitty this Team is in the Red Zone.
I have no idea how you continually throw long passes when it's 3rd and middle range 5-10 yards.
A business like approach is necessary, however, so is leadership.
We fans and your team need you to step up to the plate.


Refs:
I absolutely DO NOT subscribe to this BS that the "only reason we won these last two games is because of crappy officiating.
Ask any player, calls are missed both ways.
Not buying it...at all.
I acknowledge there were some questionable calls made, to our benefit, however, they are not the only reason we won.
The refs missed some calls against both teams.

Going forward:
well, a win is a win is a win.
I didn't apologize to my buddy who is a Lions fan, I pointed out their 212 yards in total offense, giving up 6 sacks and chalking up 8 first downs.
Am I convinced this team will accomplish what I have continually said is the lowest acceptable record of 10-6?
Nope, I'm not convinced the WILL, however, I am convinced that they still CAN.
I am also convinced that, without dramatic improvement in the Red Zone, and, as important, scoring TOUCHDOWNS, it is impossible.

nailhead77
10-13-2008, 06:02 PM
"C" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Jereamiah" wrote:


I was really glad to see Kleinsasser get the ball. That was a great play called for a solid player. I was a bit pissed at the announcer saying that the 'Vikes "Should be ashamed of themselves" being down 3-2 to the Lions. WTF? I liked it. It was a win. ;D


I agree, Big K is finally get more chances.
He's already has as many receptions as he did last year.
Big K has 15 receptions under Childress, in just 2005 Big K had 22.


Yeah, yet another example of how he can't utilize the talent he has... it's humorous how obvious it is.

Sauce is the man.


No shit!
Kleinsausage is a weapon we should use a lot more.
he use to be a big part WTF happened, i almost forgot about his ugly butt.
Good hands, smart, strong...........leave him on the bench ???

mountainviking
10-13-2008, 06:06 PM
I'm not sure I'd ever seen the Saucer fly that fast before!
Sure was nice to see him involved!
;D

Just watched the big PI penalty again...looks pretty close to me.
Bodden has one hand on AA's back and the other on his arm before the ball gets there.
That isn't going for an INT, its a subtle tug on the WRs arm that can make it a lot harder to make a catch.
Pretty much what the Pack was doing to us all game week 1.
Its ticky tacky, sometimes it gets called, sometimes not.
Guys like McKenzie and Woodson get away with it regularly-reputaion?
young guys like Bodden not so likely.


I do think we've gotten some lucky breaks the past two weeks...and a few bad the first few weeks.
I guess it balances out, but I don't like it either way!!
It surely seems they should do a better more consistent job in general, and the replay Fups are pretty much inexcusable...I mean, sometimes, we've all seen the replay from all 8 angles, the announcers are calling it out and so is the opponent, WTF?

midgensa
10-13-2008, 07:07 PM
"nailhead77" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Jereamiah" wrote:


I was really glad to see Kleinsasser get the ball. That was a great play called for a solid player. I was a bit pissed at the announcer saying that the 'Vikes "Should be ashamed of themselves" being down 3-2 to the Lions. WTF? I liked it. It was a win. ;D


I agree, Big K is finally get more chances.
He's already has as many receptions as he did last year.
Big K has 15 receptions under Childress, in just 2005 Big K had 22.


Yeah, yet another example of how he can't utilize the talent he has... it's humorous how obvious it is.

Sauce is the man.


No shit!

Kleinsausage is a weapon we should use a lot more.

he use to be a big part WTF happened, i almost forgot about his ugly butt.

Good hands, smart, strong...........leave him on the bench ???


Yeah ... I was thrilled by the Jimmy K play. It was a few things we never see around these parts anymore. 1) It was a big play in a big situation 2) It was a play to Jimmy K who has always been a solid player for us, but Chilly has underutilized (go figure) and 3) It was actually a pretty creative play call and we NEVER see that around here anymore.

Purple Floyd
10-13-2008, 07:32 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


"nailhead77" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Jereamiah" wrote:


I was really glad to see Kleinsasser get the ball. That was a great play called for a solid player. I was a bit pissed at the announcer saying that the 'Vikes "Should be ashamed of themselves" being down 3-2 to the Lions. WTF? I liked it. It was a win. ;D


I agree, Big K is finally get more chances.
He's already has as many receptions as he did last year.
Big K has 15 receptions under Childress, in just 2005 Big K had 22.


Yeah, yet another example of how he can't utilize the talent he has... it's humorous how obvious it is.

Sauce is the man.


No shit!

Kleinsausage is a weapon we should use a lot more.

he use to be a big part WTF happened, i almost forgot about his ugly butt.

Good hands, smart, strong...........leave him on the bench ???


Yeah ... I was thrilled by the Jimmy K play. It was a few things we never see around these parts anymore. 1) It was a big play in a big situation 2) It was a play to Jimmy K who has always been a solid player for us, but Chilly has underutilized (go figure) and 3) It was actually a pretty creative play call and we NEVER see that around here anymore.


that play was awesome. Seeing Sasser lumbering down the wide open field untouched for that long made my son and I both chuckle and hi 5.

PurpleSun
10-13-2008, 08:47 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"midgensa" wrote:


"nailhead77" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:




I was really glad to see Kleinsasser get the ball. That was a great play called for a solid player. I was a bit pissed at the announcer saying that the 'Vikes "Should be ashamed of themselves" being down 3-2 to the Lions. WTF? I liked it. It was a win. ;D


I agree, Big K is finally get more chances.
He's already has as many receptions as he did last year.
Big K has 15 receptions under Childress, in just 2005 Big K had 22.


Yeah, yet another example of how he can't utilize the talent he has... it's humorous how obvious it is.

Sauce is the man.


No pooh!

Kleinsausage is a weapon we should use a lot more.

he use to be a big part WTF happened, i almost forgot about his ugly butt.

Good hands, smart, strong...........leave him on the bench ???


Yeah ... I was thrilled by the Jimmy K play. It was a few things we never see around these parts anymore. 1) It was a big play in a big situation 2) It was a play to Jimmy K who has always been a solid player for us, but Chilly has underutilized (go figure) and 3) It was actually a pretty creative play call and we NEVER see that around here anymore.


that play was awesome. Seeing Sasser lumbering down the wide open field untouched for that long made my son and I both chuckle and hi 5.


Was great to see Kleiny go 34 yards into Lions territory.... unfortunatly 2 play later AD drops the ball.

Also, didn't Kleiny line up at FB at times in the past.
IMO Tahi isn't getting the job done and doesn't have the hands either.

But I'm asking too much of Childress.
He still has his OL doing trigonometry to determine which guy in his ZBS they need to block, no wonder they look so confused.
Thus, lining up a TE at FB would require calculus, and they just can't execute that yet.

El Vikingo
10-14-2008, 11:42 AM
http://www.medgadget.com/archives/img/brain_age_sm.jpg

8+3=11 .Childress.

marstc09
10-14-2008, 12:03 PM
Earth to Childress. We boo you not the team. We support our team. We buy the tickets and voice our concerns.

Prophet
10-14-2008, 01:18 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


Earth to Childress. We boo you not the team. We support our team. We buy the tickets and voice our concerns.


You're just worried that your lifesize Chilly poster won't hold it's value and you wasted $0.25 on it.

marshallvike
10-14-2008, 01:25 PM
do they make a chilly fathead yet?

jargomcfargo
10-14-2008, 01:46 PM
"marshallvike" wrote:


do they make a chilly fathead yet?


They only made one so far!

marstc09
10-14-2008, 01:48 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


do they make a chilly fathead yet?


They only made one so far!


I just fell off my chair! LMFAO!

Purple Floyd
10-14-2008, 01:50 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Earth to Childress. We boo you not the team. We support our team. We buy the tickets and voice our concerns.


You're just worried that your lifesize Chilly poster won't hold it's value and you wasted $0.25 on it.


He could just modify it with a glory hole and some members here would pay big bucks for it on eBay.

marstc09
10-14-2008, 10:29 PM
"Del" wrote:


Kevin Williams played a hell of a game, Jared Allen contained better then last week. Offense had its moments. Stupid mistakes made this ugly. Gus had near 300 yards AP over 100. I hate the coaches as well I am blaming the mistakes and concentration for this on. Turnovers and penalties as well as execution.

I saw 4 wr sets like you guys cry about not having. one ended up with a 80+ yard TD.


I remember a guy, me, saying we need 4 wide more often at the Lions game. Another guy, Zeus, kept telling me to shut up.

Freya
10-14-2008, 10:35 PM
Note to McKinney.........

un
hook
the
plow

marstc09
10-14-2008, 10:53 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


His name is Childress.

erik5032
10-14-2008, 10:54 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


His name is Childress.


+1 I find it funny how Childress thinks we are booing the team... we are booing him!

CCthebest
10-15-2008, 12:00 AM
Booing Childress and some of the play calls, and maybe Griffin and the Oline....

V-Unit
10-15-2008, 07:26 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Kevin Williams played a hell of a game, Jared Allen contained better then last week. Offense had its moments. Stupid mistakes made this ugly. Gus had near 300 yards AP over 100. I hate the coaches as well I am blaming the mistakes and concentration for this on. Turnovers and penalties as well as execution.

I saw 4 wr sets like you guys cry about not having. one ended up with a 80+ yard TD.


I remember a guy, me, saying we need 4 wide more often at the Lions game. Another guy, Zeus, kept telling me to shut up.


I am totally against 4-wide sets. It worked. Crow Eaten.

Marrdro
10-15-2008, 08:23 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


His name is Childress.

Yup, the Chiller fumbled the ball in the red zone killing what would have been points on the board........The Chiller is the QB who didn't read the same coverage that AA did and threw it short instead of deep resulting in a INT......The Chiller was the Line/Kicker that missed a easy FG......... etc etc etc.

Is he to blame cause he's the head coach, hell yes, however, we need to quit giving the players a free ride on this.

Doesn't matter what the coaches dial up (and the play calling was inovative enough to get over 100 yard reciever, over 100 yard rusher and a QB with almost 300 yard passing) if the players in the end don't execute.

ejmat
10-15-2008, 08:27 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


His name is Childress.

Yup, the Chiller fumbled the ball in the red zone killing what would have been points on the board........The Chiller is the QB who didn't read the same coverage that AA did and threw it short instead of deep resulting in a INT......The Chiller was the Line/Kicker that missed a easy FG......... etc etc etc.

Is he to blame cause he's the head coach, hell yes, however, we need to quit giving the players a free ride on this.

Doesn't matter what the coaches dial up (and the play calling was inovative enough to get over 100 yard reciever, over 100 yard rusher and a QB with almost 300 yard passing) if the players in the end don't execute.


Thanks Marr.
Hit the head on this post.
I am not a Chilly fan but it cracks me up how EVERYTHING that goes wrong is his fault.
He may as well go in and play since he's going to take all the slack for it.
I agree he is ultimately responsable but what the hell does he have to do?
I thought he was pretty innovative in this game.
The only critique I have as far as coaching from this game is this team has to learn how to set up a fucking screen play.

PurpleTide
10-15-2008, 10:20 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


His name is Childress.

Yup, the Chiller fumbled the ball in the red zone killing what would have been points on the board........The Chiller is the QB who didn't read the same coverage that AA did and threw it short instead of deep resulting in a INT......The Chiller was the Line/Kicker that missed a easy FG......... etc etc etc.

Is he to blame cause he's the head coach, hell yes, however, we need to quit giving the players a free ride on this.

Doesn't matter what the coaches dial up (and the play calling was inovative enough to get over 100 yard reciever, over 100 yard rusher and a QB with almost 300 yard passing) if the players in the end don't execute.


Thanks Marr.
Hit the head on this post.
I am not a Chilly fan but it cracks me up how EVERYTHING that goes wrong is his fault.
He may as well go in and play since he's going to take all the slack for it.
I agree he is ultimately responsable but what the hell does he have to do?
I thought he was pretty innovative in this game.
The only critique I have as far as coaching from this game is this team has to learn how to set up a fricken screen play.



Knocked that one out of the park Marrdro. Thing is folks aren't seeing the forest for the trees. We have to execute better and make plays, if we hadn't had misque's in everygame we wouldn't be having negativety at all. A Shiancoe catch here to AD hanging onto the ball last week we are getting better ever so slowly. Win ugly baby, but just show effort, and heart. I'll take that.

Zeus
10-15-2008, 10:24 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Kevin Williams played a hell of a game, Jared Allen contained better then last week. Offense had its moments. Stupid mistakes made this ugly. Gus had near 300 yards AP over 100. I hate the coaches as well I am blaming the mistakes and concentration for this on. Turnovers and penalties as well as execution.

I saw 4 wr sets like you guys cry about not having. one ended up with a 80+ yard TD.


I remember a guy, me, saying we need 4 wide more often at the Lions game. Another guy, Zeus, kept telling me to shut up.


Nice mis-characterization.
You were babbling (as usual) negativity and I said "Shut up, look, they are IN a 4-WR set" (although, it was 3 WRs with Garrett Mills split out wide).

=Z=

Randy Moss
10-15-2008, 10:29 AM
Finally someone else says it.
The Detroit game was not Childress's fault.
AD had a flat out terrible game, he is the reason that the Lions were in it.

jargomcfargo
10-15-2008, 10:36 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Kevin Williams played a hell of a game, Jared Allen contained better then last week. Offense had its moments. Stupid mistakes made this ugly. Gus had near 300 yards AP over 100. I hate the coaches as well I am blaming the mistakes and concentration for this on. Turnovers and penalties as well as execution.

I saw 4 wr sets like you guys cry about not having. one ended up with a 80+ yard TD.


I remember a guy, me, saying we need 4 wide more often at the Lions game. Another guy, Zeus, kept telling me to shut up.


That is the formation that would make the screen work on 3rd and long. The key is identifying the linebacker spying the running back, and getting a hat on him.
The line needs to block a little better in the spread offense and this wco could work. Spread gives more room to operate.
Better for the short passing game and the run.
I like the concept of mixing it up with a variety of formations and motion.
Just have to clean up the penalties and turnovers and this team could look a whole lot different.

VikingMike
10-15-2008, 10:46 AM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Kevin Williams played a hell of a game, Jared Allen contained better then last week. Offense had its moments. Stupid mistakes made this ugly. Gus had near 300 yards AP over 100. I hate the coaches as well I am blaming the mistakes and concentration for this on. Turnovers and penalties as well as execution.

I saw 4 wr sets like you guys cry about not having. one ended up with a 80+ yard TD.


I remember a guy, me, saying we need 4 wide more often at the Lions game. Another guy, Zeus, kept telling me to shut up.


That is the formation that would make the screen work on 3rd and long. The key is identifying the linebacker spying the running back, and getting a hat on him.
The line needs to block a little better in the spread offense and this wco could work. Spread gives more room to operate.
Better for the short passing game and the run.
I like the concept of mixing it up with a variety of formations and motion.
Just have to clean up the penalties and turnovers and this team could look a whole lot different.



Good points jargomcfargo. I agree the spread will open up the O in many ways...screen will work better, as will a run now and then. I'm not advocating the trick plays that Miami does, but certainly some different looks.

Too many times I see our O-line all bunched up with 5-6 wide bodies toe-to-toe, and it makes the field look so small. Then I watch a game like Dallas-Arizona, and the field looks twice the size.

marstc09
10-15-2008, 11:03 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


His name is Childress.

Yup, the Chiller fumbled the ball in the red zone killing what would have been points on the board........The Chiller is the QB who didn't read the same coverage that AA did and threw it short instead of deep resulting in a INT......The Chiller was the Line/Kicker that missed a easy FG......... etc etc etc.

Is he to blame cause he's the head coach, hell yes, however, we need to quit giving the players a free ride on this.

Doesn't matter what the coaches dial up (and the play calling was inovative enough to get over 100 yard reciever, over 100 yard rusher and a QB with almost 300 yard passing) if the players in the end don't execute.


Read my posts. I was one of the first to talk shit about Peterson and his fumbles while the rest still ride his jock.

ejmat
10-15-2008, 11:29 AM
"VikingMike" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Kevin Williams played a hell of a game, Jared Allen contained better then last week. Offense had its moments. Stupid mistakes made this ugly. Gus had near 300 yards AP over 100. I hate the coaches as well I am blaming the mistakes and concentration for this on. Turnovers and penalties as well as execution.

I saw 4 wr sets like you guys cry about not having. one ended up with a 80+ yard TD.


I remember a guy, me, saying we need 4 wide more often at the Lions game. Another guy, Zeus, kept telling me to shut up.


That is the formation that would make the screen work on 3rd and long. The key is identifying the linebacker spying the running back, and getting a hat on him.
The line needs to block a little better in the spread offense and this wco could work. Spread gives more room to operate.
Better for the short passing game and the run.
I like the concept of mixing it up with a variety of formations and motion.
Just have to clean up the penalties and turnovers and this team could look a whole lot different.



Good points jargomcfargo. I agree the spread will open up the O in many ways...screen will work better, as will a run now and then. I'm not advocating the trick plays that Miami does, but certainly some different looks.

Too many times I see our O-line all bunched up with 5-6 wide bodies toe-to-toe, and it makes the field look so small. Then I watch a game like Dallas-Arizona, and the field looks twice the size.



I for one love the spread offense.
It will keep that 8th and 9th man out of the box.
There are several things that can be effective here.
Play action, draws, screens.
If they use this line up often this offense could start to look good.
Then they would just have to get the damn ball in the endzone.

jargomcfargo
10-15-2008, 11:46 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"VikingMike" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Kevin Williams played a hell of a game, Jared Allen contained better then last week. Offense had its moments. Stupid mistakes made this ugly. Gus had near 300 yards AP over 100. I hate the coaches as well I am blaming the mistakes and concentration for this on. Turnovers and penalties as well as execution.

I saw 4 wr sets like you guys cry about not having. one ended up with a 80+ yard TD.


I remember a guy, me, saying we need 4 wide more often at the Lions game. Another guy, Zeus, kept telling me to shut up.


That is the formation that would make the screen work on 3rd and long. The key is identifying the linebacker spying the running back, and getting a hat on him.
The line needs to block a little better in the spread offense and this wco could work. Spread gives more room to operate.
Better for the short passing game and the run.
I like the concept of mixing it up with a variety of formations and motion.
Just have to clean up the penalties and turnovers and this team could look a whole lot different.



Good points jargomcfargo. I agree the spread will open up the O in many ways...screen will work better, as will a run now and then. I'm not advocating the trick plays that Miami does, but certainly some different looks.

Too many times I see our O-line all bunched up with 5-6 wide bodies toe-to-toe, and it makes the field look so small. Then I watch a game like Dallas-Arizona, and the field looks twice the size.



I for one love the spread offense.
It will keep that 8th and 9th man out of the box.
There are several things that can be effective here.
Play action, draws, screens.
If they use this line up often this offense could start to look good.
Then they would just have to get the gol 'darnit ball in the endzone.


I may be wrong, but it seemed the O-line couldn't effectively pass block last year so they left the tight ends in to help the tackles a lot.
They discovered they could run in this formation and stuck with it, as it was successful.
But as the year went on the defenses adjusted and shut down the run.

Instead of spreading the defense out we kept trying to pound the ball with a power running game that took away the short passing lanes as well as the run.

If you can't go over the top, you need to spread them out so you have room to operate and get the one on one mismatches the WCO is designed to to give.

So I agree, we will be more effective if we use this
formation more often.

Marrdro
10-15-2008, 12:09 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


His name is Childress.

Yup, the Chiller fumbled the ball in the red zone killing what would have been points on the board........The Chiller is the QB who didn't read the same coverage that AA did and threw it short instead of deep resulting in a INT......The Chiller was the Line/Kicker that missed a easy FG......... etc etc etc.

Is he to blame cause he's the head coach, hell yes, however, we need to quit giving the players a free ride on this.

Doesn't matter what the coaches dial up (and the play calling was inovative enough to get over 100 yard reciever, over 100 yard rusher and a QB with almost 300 yard passing) if the players in the end don't execute.


Read my posts. I was one of the first to talk pooh about Peterson and his fumbles while the rest still ride his jock.

I remember my friend.

Just wanted to point out that the Chiller isn't the only one culpable in the lack of production from our offense as your previous post lead me to believe was your point.

Funny thing, wasn't there some yutz on here who wanted to see spread offenses without a RB (namely AD) in and people chided methat very same yutz for being silly as well, now this thread is all about going into a spread offense.

Silly Vikings fans.
;D
;D
;D

marstc09
10-15-2008, 02:14 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


You dominate on offense ( 296 yards passing, AD 111 yards plus CT 30/40 yards )
You dominate on Defense ( their offense had aside that 50 yard run nothing really spectacular )

And still you almost screw up the game.. I can't believe it.
This offense.. there's something wrong with them. I do blaim AD for the fumbles which were very very stupid.


His name is Childress.

Yup, the Chiller fumbled the ball in the red zone killing what would have been points on the board........The Chiller is the QB who didn't read the same coverage that AA did and threw it short instead of deep resulting in a INT......The Chiller was the Line/Kicker that missed a easy FG......... etc etc etc.

Is he to blame cause he's the head coach, hell yes, however, we need to quit giving the players a free ride on this.

Doesn't matter what the coaches dial up (and the play calling was inovative enough to get over 100 yard reciever, over 100 yard rusher and a QB with almost 300 yard passing) if the players in the end don't execute.


Read my posts. I was one of the first to talk pooh about Peterson and his fumbles while the rest still ride his jock.

I remember my friend.

Just wanted to point out that the Chiller isn't the only one culpable in the lack of production from our offense as your previous post lead me to believe was your point.

Funny thing, wasn't there some yutz on here who wanted to see spread offenses without a RB (namely AD) in and people chided methat very same yutz for being silly as well, now this thread is all about going into a spread offense.

Silly Vikings fans.

;D
;D
;D


I wanted to see 4 wide for some time now but many thought our WRs sucked. Funny how the big play happened in that same 4 WR set. Silly indeed!

Ranger
10-15-2008, 02:29 PM
An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.

ColoradoViking
10-15-2008, 02:37 PM
"Ranger" wrote:


An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.


That's a funny post. The funniest part though, is to think that Childress would have Cower and Holmgren on staff... I wonder what those guys would say to that :)

Marrdro
10-15-2008, 02:46 PM
"Ranger" wrote:


An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.

Only problem with having Cower or Holmgren on would be that they would still be saddled with the same players that our FO drafted/signed, which in most part I am pretty happy with by the way.

Cook could have been drafted later, We could have gave up some picks for Cutler and maybe, just maybe, we might have been able to get Garcia to slow his bolt to Tampa a bit sooner, however, we would still have the same team because we would have still had the same VP of Player Personnel making those moves.

To think otherwise is to believe that the HC is in charge of everything and we on here on PPO are more knowledgable about things like that.
;D

ejmat
10-15-2008, 04:55 PM
"Ranger" wrote:


An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.


Most here agree the HC is ultimately responsible.
However blaming him for what happened in the game is not accurate.
Did Childress fumble twice?
Did Childress miss the tackle that game up a 50 yard run?
Did Childress allow 5 sacks?

C Mac D
10-15-2008, 04:57 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.


Most here agree the HC is ultimately responsible.
However blaming him for what happened in the game is not accurate.
Did Childress fumble twice?
Did Childress miss the tackle that game up a 50 yard run?
Did Childress allow 5 sacks?


OK, Marrdro...

marstc09
10-15-2008, 05:07 PM
"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.


Most here agree the HC is ultimately responsible.
However blaming him for what happened in the game is not accurate.
Did Childress fumble twice?
Did Childress miss the tackle that game up a 50 yard run?
Did Childress allow 5 sacks?


OK, Marrdro...



No shit. I think we understand that Childress did not do those things. Do posters really think we are that dumb?

Childress is an idiot and even he knows it.

ejmat
10-16-2008, 08:40 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.


Most here agree the HC is ultimately responsible.
However blaming him for what happened in the game is not accurate.
Did Childress fumble twice?
Did Childress miss the tackle that game up a 50 yard run?
Did Childress allow 5 sacks?


OK, Marrdro...



No shit. I think we understand that Childress did not do those things. Do posters really think we are that dumb?

Childress is an idiot and even he knows it.


It's okay to say Childress is an idiot and that's how you perceive him.
But what evidence do you have that he knows that himself.?
If he did know it would he still be an idiot?

Ranger
10-16-2008, 08:50 AM
The HC is ultimately responsible for the product on the field.
If the running backs are fumbling the ball a lot, it's the HC's responsibility to ensure that the RB coach is correcting the issue, and that corrective actions are taken.

You can read of a long list of excuses for everything that goes wrong and drop dimes all day long, but at the end of the day, the HC is responsible.
They influence every part of the team, from the offenses and defenses that are run, to the players on the field in specific circumstances, to the management of the clock.
If these things have been delegated to other coaches, it is still the HCs responsibility as he is the one who makes the decision as to whether or not the assistant coach is up to the task.
If they're not, then he needs to correct the situation or cut sling load and find somebody who can shoulder that responsibility and get results.

I think Childress has done an excellent job with the defense.
They hustle after the ball and force key turnovers...and seem to play with a sense of urgency.
I don't have any major issues with that side of things at all.
I just think that BC should be seriously considering some changes in the offense, be they in the formations being run, the way things are being executed, or the way the OC is setting the team up.

Prophet
10-16-2008, 08:53 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


....It's okay to say Childress is an idiot and that's how you perceive him.
But what evidence do you have that he knows that himself.?
If he did know it would he still be an idiot?


A true idiot is too retarded to know that he is an idiot.

ejmat
10-16-2008, 11:02 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


....It's okay to say Childress is an idiot and that's how you perceive him.
But what evidence do you have that he knows that himself.?
If he did know it would he still be an idiot?


A true idiot is too retarded to know that he is an idiot.


My point exactly Prophet.

Prophet
10-16-2008, 11:03 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


....It's okay to say Childress is an idiot and that's how you perceive him.
But what evidence do you have that he knows that himself.?
If he did know it would he still be an idiot?


A true idiot is too retarded to know that he is an idiot.


My point exactly Prophet.



But, that's what makes up the fan base on pp.o.
A bunch of expert idiots.
It is the life.

ejmat
10-16-2008, 11:08 AM
"Ranger" wrote:


The HC is ultimately responsible for the product on the field.
If the running backs are fumbling the ball a lot, it's the HC's responsibility to ensure that the RB coach is correcting the issue, and that corrective actions are taken.

You can read of a long list of excuses for everything that goes wrong and drop dimes all day long, but at the end of the day, the HC is responsible.
They influence every part of the team, from the offenses and defenses that are run, to the players on the field in specific circumstances, to the management of the clock.
If these things have been delegated to other coaches, it is still the HCs responsibility as he is the one who makes the decision as to whether or not the assistant coach is up to the task.
If they're not, then he needs to correct the situation or cut sling load and find somebody who can shoulder that responsibility and get results.

I think Childress has done an excellent job with the defense.
They hustle after the ball and force key turnovers...and seem to play with a sense of urgency.
I don't have any major issues with that side of things at all.
I just think that BC should be seriously considering some changes in the offense, be they in the formations being run, the way things are being executed, or the way the OC is setting the team up.



This post is an excellent post.
IMO responsibility is a different word than blame.
I can see you are open minded about the entire issue.
Yes I agree that the ultimate responsibility lies on the HC.
It is his job to work with the coaches and players to make sure they execute.
This is information probably none of us are privy to as to whther or not it happens.
Now when the game is going on it is the players' jobs to execute correctly.
That is where they are to blame.
This is why I cannot understand how everyone BLAMES BC for everything.
Responsible, yes.
Blame, No!
None of us have the information necessary to make a judgement as to whether or not he is working with the players and coaches.
My bet is he does and that is wehy I have a hard time with everyone blaming Childress.
There are issues I do blpame him for.
Such as the QB situation.
I'm not sure how much he could have done about it but we are in the predicament we are in becasue of BC in the first place.
Some want to blame hiim for a predictable, bland offense.
At times it has been.
But iof the players continue to turn the ball over what would you like the guy to do?

marstc09
10-16-2008, 05:12 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.


Most here agree the HC is ultimately responsible.
However blaming him for what happened in the game is not accurate.
Did Childress fumble twice?
Did Childress miss the tackle that game up a 50 yard run?
Did Childress allow 5 sacks?


OK, Marrdro...



No shit. I think we understand that Childress did not do those things. Do posters really think we are that dumb?

Childress is an idiot and even he knows it.


It's okay to say Childress is an idiot and that's how you perceive him.
But what evidence do you have that he knows that himself.?
If he did know it would he still be an idiot?


He knows he's an idiot because he came back a week after the Titans game and said he made a mistake in punting the ball at the end of the game. That is my evidence and yes he would still be an idiot.

marstc09
10-16-2008, 06:50 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.


You were listening to kfan after the game.
;) Morris and Dubay had it right. Childress change the OL blocking schemes. We are not coming off the ball hard like last year. I believe they called it wrap and scoop blocking. The finesse stuff is not what Childress did last year. He did more traps and zone. Not sure why he got away from bully ball but it goes to show that he is not fit yo coach. We tried the passing game and it even worked once but Gus can't play with people in his face all day. No QB could. The OL is the biggest problem right now. It hurts Peterson as well but Peterson is not himself. He is dancing too much and the fumbles need to stop. He is not hitting the hole (when they are there which is rare) hard or quick.

marstc09
10-16-2008, 07:04 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.

You do realize my friend that the ZB part is mostly used during the running attack which produced 132 yards on 30 attempts right (by the way) and the man-to-man scheme for pass blocking?

Although blocking is a problem it appears to me it is more of a issue when they switch between the two with a big focus on the incorrect pre-snap read reads/adjustments by the C and QB instead of what blocking scheme the coaches have installed.
I really believe that both the C and QB can't read/figure out what the defense is doing pre-snap and setting the blocking scheme wrong.

I only saw 2 times were it appeared they audibled correctly (One time AD fumbled it by the way) out of one play into the other catching the defense in the wrong scheme.

For that, I blame the OL Coach, The OC, The HC and both the QB and C for not getting thier heads out of thier asses.

On a side note, our Defense is doing a better job the last two weeks of hiding/not showing thier hand so soon even though they did do it a few times yesterday.


Childress is not using the zone blocking every rushing down. In fact he rarely uses it this year. That is the problem.

ejmat
10-17-2008, 07:30 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:




An old military saying is that the Platoon Leader is responsible for everything the patrol does or fails to do.
The same is true with a head coach and a football team.

Don't get me wrong, I like Childress.
Particularly his majestic 'stache...If he had Holmgren and Cower on the coaching staff, the Selleck-power would make the universe collapse.

I just think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the last game.
I hope he turns things around, as he's done a lot with the team that I like.
A little more offensive production to go with the defense and toughness of the team, and we'll be good to go.

As ugly as those games were, the Vikings kept their cool and battled to the end, and were rewarded with victories for that effort.
Don't forget that.


Most here agree the HC is ultimately responsible.
However blaming him for what happened in the game is not accurate.
Did Childress fumble twice?
Did Childress miss the tackle that game up a 50 yard run?
Did Childress allow 5 sacks?


OK, Marrdro...



No shit. I think we understand that Childress did not do those things. Do posters really think we are that dumb?

Childress is an idiot and even he knows it.


It's okay to say Childress is an idiot and that's how you perceive him.
But what evidence do you have that he knows that himself.?
If he did know it would he still be an idiot?


He knows he's an idiot because he came back a week after the Titans game and said he made a mistake in punting the ball at the end of the game. That is my evidence and yes he would still be an idiot.


Okay fair enough
;D

Marrdro
10-17-2008, 08:17 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.

You do realize my friend that the ZB part is mostly used during the running attack which produced 132 yards on 30 attempts right (by the way) and the man-to-man scheme for pass blocking?

Although blocking is a problem it appears to me it is more of a issue when they switch between the two with a big focus on the incorrect pre-snap read reads/adjustments by the C and QB instead of what blocking scheme the coaches have installed.
I really believe that both the C and QB can't read/figure out what the defense is doing pre-snap and setting the blocking scheme wrong.

I only saw 2 times were it appeared they audibled correctly (One time AD fumbled it by the way) out of one play into the other catching the defense in the wrong scheme.

For that, I blame the OL Coach, The OC, The HC and both the QB and C for not getting thier heads out of thier dimply buttocks.

On a side note, our Defense is doing a better job the last two weeks of hiding/not showing thier hand so soon even though they did do it a few times yesterday.


Childress is not using the zone blocking every rushing down. In fact he rarely uses it this year. That is the problem.

What makes you say that?
I watch the line every play and it sure the heck appears to me that they are still running a mix of ZB and Man blocking.

What did I do, miss a article by one of the local sports hacks that said they gave up on the ZB scheme.
:o

marstc09
10-17-2008, 09:14 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.

You do realize my friend that the ZB part is mostly used during the running attack which produced 132 yards on 30 attempts right (by the way) and the man-to-man scheme for pass blocking?

Although blocking is a problem it appears to me it is more of a issue when they switch between the two with a big focus on the incorrect pre-snap read reads/adjustments by the C and QB instead of what blocking scheme the coaches have installed.
I really believe that both the C and QB can't read/figure out what the defense is doing pre-snap and setting the blocking scheme wrong.

I only saw 2 times were it appeared they audibled correctly (One time AD fumbled it by the way) out of one play into the other catching the defense in the wrong scheme.

For that, I blame the OL Coach, The OC, The HC and both the QB and C for not getting thier heads out of thier dimply buttocks.

On a side note, our Defense is doing a better job the last two weeks of hiding/not showing thier hand so soon even though they did do it a few times yesterday.


Childress is not using the zone blocking every rushing down. In fact he rarely uses it this year. That is the problem.

What makes you say that?
I watch the line every play and it sure the heck appears to me that they are still running a mix of ZB and Man blocking.

What did I do, miss a article by one of the local sports hacks that said they gave up on the ZB scheme.
:o


Former NFL player Mike Morris mentioned this. I think I am going to trust someone who actually played NFL football. They are doing more finesse blocking which he called wrap and scoop blocking. We are not geared toward that type of blocking. He mentioned that we need to get back to more zone blocking. This blocking, which they called co-op blocking is when lineman work in twos to push the down lineman back to the second level and scrap off on the linebackers. Every team does it but we are doing it less than last year. We are not coming off the ball hard like last year and resorting to this finesse game which is not our style. Why Chilly changed it is beyond me. Another reason he should be canned.

Purple Floyd
10-17-2008, 09:20 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:




Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.

You do realize my friend that the ZB part is mostly used during the running attack which produced 132 yards on 30 attempts right (by the way) and the man-to-man scheme for pass blocking?

Although blocking is a problem it appears to me it is more of a issue when they switch between the two with a big focus on the incorrect pre-snap read reads/adjustments by the C and QB instead of what blocking scheme the coaches have installed.
I really believe that both the C and QB can't read/figure out what the defense is doing pre-snap and setting the blocking scheme wrong.

I only saw 2 times were it appeared they audibled correctly (One time AD fumbled it by the way) out of one play into the other catching the defense in the wrong scheme.

For that, I blame the OL Coach, The OC, The HC and both the QB and C for not getting thier heads out of thier dimply buttocks.

On a side note, our Defense is doing a better job the last two weeks of hiding/not showing thier hand so soon even though they did do it a few times yesterday.


Childress is not using the zone blocking every rushing down. In fact he rarely uses it this year. That is the problem.

What makes you say that?
I watch the line every play and it sure the heck appears to me that they are still running a mix of ZB and Man blocking.

What did I do, miss a article by one of the local sports hacks that said they gave up on the ZB scheme.
:o


Former NFL player Mike Morris mentioned this. I think I am going to trust someone who actually played NFL football. They are doing more finesse blocking which he called wrap and scoop blocking. We are not geared toward that type of blocking. He mentioned that we need to get back to more zone blocking. This blocking, which they called co-op blocking is when lineman work in twos to push the down lineman back to the second level and scrap off on the linebackers. Every team does it but we are doing it less than last year. We are not coming off the ball hard like last year and resorting to this finesse game which is not our style. Why Chilly changed it is beyond me. Another reason he should be canned.


It is all part of his grand strategy. When it all comes together we will all understand, for now we have to just rely on trust and blind faith.

marstc09
10-17-2008, 09:40 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Not sure about specific adjustments, but do you think it would kill them to take a shot at the end zone when they get inside the 35?


Very good point Uff. We rarely take shots. I know Rice is out but what about some fade routes. I am really upset with some of our passing patterns. Take shank to the corner. It seems like we get in run mode in the red zone. Look at the play by play for our first red zone attempt. RUN, RUN, and RUN! Now lets look at the second one. Pass short, run, and pass short. The final one was all runs because he was setting up for a field goal.

marstc09
10-17-2008, 09:53 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"douginc" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"douginc" wrote:






Convert convert convert on third down. Frerotte is unable


The team is unable...
We have poor OL play, poor QB play, and poor coaching.
The new "Triangle of Terror".

I honestly think that Childress is utilizing the OL incorrectly.
He needs to get out of this stupid zone blocking scheme and let those guys power up the front.
Or at least go back to the zone blocking that he was using last year and stop f-ing with it.
This new finesse crap that he is trying to install is killing us.
Gus spends more time on his back than <insert joke here>.

The Childress experiment is over.
It is time to move on.


Have you seen the play calls we run on 3rd down??
NodakPaul is completely on with this - it's the team, however, it's coming from the top.
On gol 'darnit near EVERY 3rd and medium length (8 - 5 yards) we threw up a go-route!
If you watch the game again, check how many pathetic deep threats on 3rd we threw.
Almost never utilizing slants or sideline cuts, completely ignore sending someone over the middle - and every time we attempt a screen pass, it is the saddest Pop Warner executed piece of trash I have ever seen; someone fumbles the catch, the line isn't in position to block, the defense has completely sniffed it out and is already busted up the wedge of blockers.
Childress is a little boy playing in a really big sandbox right now, and it is embarrassing as a Vikings fan to watch him squander such elite talents.

If you ever listen to ESPN Gameday radio with Dennis Green, the man flat out understands the passing game.
He talks about the field exactly like a chess board and utilizing your pieces to cover as much of the field as you can.
In my opinion, he would be a very qualified Offensive Coordinator, even though he began to fail as a HC.
He even talked about the Vikings pass offense and why it wasn't working so well - I only caught the tail end of it, but he was explaining why, logically, he knew our scheme was designed to fail in the Red Zone.
I'd love to find that clip online - I'll give it a try.


It is completely mind boggling and unacceptable that we can't run a screen pass. It doesn't make any sense. I'll go ahead and eat crow on this one because I was wrong wrong wrong.

We can't run a screen pass.

You aren't completely wrong my friend.
We should be able to and they should be used.
Problem is we run them so bad they don't even resemble them at times.
Simply amazing to me why that is.

For that I blame the coaching staff.

Quick question(s) to Doug, were did Sauce catch the ball? What set/route did BB get most of his yards from?
Were was B-wade lining up when he made those tough catches?
How many yards did AD get pounding the rock up the middle?

Comeon my friend.
Denny is right.
It is a chess match.
Our Coaching staff just use the pieces differently and it isn't as exciting as watching Moss, Carter and Reed deep with Smith long striding down the field.

This is exactly my point, Marr.
:)
It it works, why is it a rarity?
We run only a handful of plays across the middle, we barely utilize the field.
Our 3rd down play calls were atrocious.
Always with the embarrassing throw up go-route that just shows the fans how inept our offensive scheme is.
'Differently' is a very polite euphemism for 'pathetically'.
It's been three years - Berrian has proved he can be a #1 receiver to me, AD is of course a generational talent, CT is no slouch as a 2nd RB.
Against the worst defense in the league, which every other team rolled over, we can barely execute any sort of gameplan.
When, during the game, they showed that overhead view of the receivers on a 3rd down, they were all on these ridiculously long routes, all 4 receivers.
Not one player covering a short zone over the middle, which was disgustingly wide open.
It happened time and time again.

Childress is flat out an offensive fool.
It should be mentally incapable of anyone to use defense mechanisms to attempt to justify his position as a current NFL head coach anymore.
It has been 3 years now of mediocre offense with seemingly no overhaul.

Yes we won, but I don't care if we win frivolous games against pathetic division rivals.
I want to know we are a fundamentally sound team that can compete with the best in the league.
Over 2 years of this regime, I cannot see how we could compete in the playoffs.
I would really like to bring someone in who could before our prime talent is no longer in their prime/under contract.

Very nice post my friend, however, you miss the key to the whole arguement......

It doesn't matter what the play call is if the QB and the WR's make sight adjustments pre-snap.

Maybe, just maybe the Defense showed that they were gonna have a play callled that would take that away.
The onus is on the QB and WR's to get on the same page and take advantage of something else.

Two good examples of that happened (last and this week).

a.
Last week, the long pass to AA that was caught by BB for a TD.
BB clearly made the wrong read and ran the wrong route.

b.
The INT yesterday.
AA made the correct read and adjusted his route to a double move which burned the CB and caught the S cheating up against the run.
Problem is, Gus made the wrong sight adjustment and threw the quick out vice pumping and then going deep.

Again, those things are gonna start to iron themselves out as we are seeing evidence of it now.
Again, almost a 300 yard passing game coupled with a nice running game by AD of over 100 yards.

All we as fans have to do is pay a bit of attention to what is really going on on the field (from our limited vantage point) and not buy into the crap that is spewing from the talking heads.


Again, nice post my friend.
Love talking football with someone who is as observant as you.
By the way, I think we should watch the whole game from that camera (eye in the sky).

;D


What makes you think that that long pass was intended for Allison? Also what makes you think Gus made the wrong read? Seems to me that both plays involved Allision and he was the problem on both.

marstc09
10-17-2008, 10:01 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Brad can simply not make adjustments... and when he does, they end up hurting the team.

Honestly, how does he still have a job?

What adjustment should he have made that he didn't?

AD, 111 yards. Running game was good.
Maybe you just wanted to see a long run.

QB, Almost 300 yards passing.
4 Wides, 3 Wides, FB/TE/WR/RB's all involved in the passing game.


Defense dominated again this week even with key injuries.
Teams are so concerned about JA (who still had a nice game not overrunning the play this week) that K-will/Phat Pat and the other DT's are getting into the backfield consistently.
What adjustments needed to happen there?

Comeon my friend.
Don't go with the masses.
This team over came a tough one wereas teams in the past didn't.
Heck, I almost didn't really get to concerned over AD's two turnovers yesterday cause I had a bit of (not alot) confidence that the game was still close and we were really moving the ball nicely at times.

Iron out the fumbles, get the blocking assignments figured out based on defensive pre-snap reads and this thing will start clicking.


Listen, Marr... If you haven't learned anything from the past 2.5 years, you never will... so I'm not going to explain.

But, I do have a couple points:

I'd love to see arguably one of the best O-lines in the NFL actually play like it... but Chilly has his cute little "zone" blocking scheme that works so well.

He's unable to get Chester Taylor involved.

Barring a QB running out of the back of the endzone, or a 'phantom' PI call... we would have lost to the Lions for the second time in two years...

THE LIONS.

Comeon my friend, you know my opinion can be swayed if it is done correctly. Hell I almost advocated putting Hicks in for Cook today.

;D

As to losing to the Lions, did you or anyone think that the Lions would just roll over and not give us a challenge?
I sure the hell didn't.
Did I think it would be as close as 10-12?
Hell no but comeon.


I am sure the Bores, Skins and Cowgirls all thought they were gonna win yesterday as well and they failed in thier attempts.

Truth of the matter what counts is that this team is still playing damn hard for someone.
I like to believe it is for the themselves and that includes the coaching staff.

I for one loved watching Herron get back on the field injured, playing a good bit before finally having to be helped off (AGAIN).

Rant all you want, this team has bought into what the Chiller (and staff) are selling and are playing thier guts out.
Wonder what it would do to the team if the FO came out with a press release saying they were letting him go?

Seems to me that the ole Chiller, right or wrong, has some strong allies on this team that might have a say in that.

Herrera - Citizen ship thing.
JA - Said he wanted to come because of the Williams boys but the staff as well.
BB -
Like what was cooking in MN.
Hutch - One of the first that changed the feeling about the team and how it is/was percieved by Vets.

I can go on and on but I won't cause what I've seen in the last 2.5 years is that I can't sway you so I won't try but maybe, just maybe you are off the mark just a bit my friend.

;D ;D ;D ;D


Bought into what the staff is selling? They play football cause they love it. They are not just going to give up cause they are unhappy with the coach. They are competitors that want to win. Do you really think the players we have are going to speak negative about the coach? They are not that type. Moss left a while ago.