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ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 12:03 AM
Here we go, post your thought, rants and feelings here!

Fukk yes!
Big win!
It was not pretty at times, but we did win!
All that matters is the "W"!

Skol!!!

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 12:04 AM
T Johnson had a great game IMO. As did AW!

I know the Offense blew, but we won.
You can have a crap Offense and still win (Bears).

But, the ST's really still blow!

Gift
10-07-2008, 12:05 AM
WHAT A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

omg...
heart attack


What a show on MNF!

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 12:05 AM
Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!

BadlandsVikings
10-07-2008, 12:06 AM
How did we do that?

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:06 AM
Chilly needs to give Winfield a hummer

LEAD PIPE
10-07-2008, 12:07 AM
We were lucky, it's no way to win.

SharperImage
10-07-2008, 12:07 AM
MVP The refs

and co MVP winfield

DeathtoDenny
10-07-2008, 12:08 AM
WINNING DESPITE CHILDRESS! WINNING DESPITE CHILDRESS!

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:08 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!


Ahhhh.... what did Brad do?
Winfield seems to be the spark plug.

Chilly was the anemic offense in the first 3 quarters

BBQ Platypus
10-07-2008, 12:09 AM
We didn't win this game.
The Saints lost it.
Missed field goals, fumbles, miscues...and we still needed a last-minute field goal to win.

I don't know exactly what this all means - oh, wait, yes I do.
It means "Fire Childress."

baumy300
10-07-2008, 12:10 AM
"DeathtoDenny" wrote:


WINNING DESPITE CHILDRESS! WINNING DESPITE CHILDRESS!


Yup. He couldn't of lost that game if he tried!

And believe me - He did try.

realviking
10-07-2008, 12:10 AM
We sure got away with a big one on the facemask play, but you know, we've been screwed by the refs before, and we'll be screwed by the refs in the future, so let's take this one and be happy.
This is way better than 1-4.

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:11 AM
IN GUS WE TRUST....
IN BB WE BELIEVE

marshallvike
10-07-2008, 12:11 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!


chilly deserves to be blamed for everything!!!!!

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:12 AM
"realviking" wrote:


We sure got away with a big one on the facemask play, but you know, we've been screwed by the refs before, and we'll be screwed by the refs in the future, so let's take this one and be happy.
This is way better than 1-4.


So no more bitching about the refs.... the wheel always turns

BadlandsVikings
10-07-2008, 12:13 AM
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vikes2456
10-07-2008, 12:13 AM
"LEAD" wrote:


We were lucky, it's no way to win.

This
Way to go Winnie!
First 100 yard receiver since 2005...

marshallvike
10-07-2008, 12:13 AM
at least we got a win

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 12:13 AM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!


chilly deserves to be blamed for everything!!!!!


I am not saying Chilly is a football god.

But if we blame him for everything, logic would say he gets some credit hear.
Maybe he kept the players motivated and hopes alive.

Or, just the same thing from the same members here.

snowinapril
10-07-2008, 12:14 AM
We don't have a winning record yet.
Yet!

Chilly won't get off the hot seat until we are above .500

vikingivan
10-07-2008, 12:14 AM
His job is safe for at least one more week.
Our special teams coverage was horrible.

realviking
10-07-2008, 12:15 AM
I don't think I've had as many emotional ups and downs in a regular season game as tonight.

COJOMAY
10-07-2008, 12:15 AM
Well, at least we threw downfield tonight.

Vikes
10-07-2008, 12:16 AM
"realviking" wrote:


I don't think I've had as many emotional ups and downs in a regular season game as tonight.


Yes this game...was a nail bitter.

KentuckyViking
10-07-2008, 12:17 AM
Awesome win..all is well in Kentucky tonite!! ;D

PurplePackerEater
10-07-2008, 12:17 AM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


Chilly needs to give Winfield a hummer



So true!

PurplePeopleEaters
10-07-2008, 12:18 AM
It feels good to win one, especially on MNF, but jesus Chilly. Kicking to Bush TWICE? I cannot explain how livid I was in words.


Antoine Winfield officially needs to be in the pro bowl. It's getting ridiculous.

Jared Allen is doing the little things.

How about Frerotte to Berrian?

ATTENTION EVERYONE. BERNARD BERRIAN IS OFFICIALLY OUR FIRST 100 YARD RECEIVER SINCE TROY WILLIAMSON IN 2006.

Wow, that's pretty bittersweet isn't it.

marstc09
10-07-2008, 12:18 AM
So check this weird fact out... Berrian was our first 100 yard WR since Troy Williamson did it on Sept 17th 2006! Week 2 overtime win against the Panthers.

FreakinVikingsBaby
10-07-2008, 12:18 AM
My official post game thought is that I'm not giving up on football yet! Hell yea baby we won-bout freakin time it happened too. Our special teams sucks, grant it reggie bush is a hell of a returner, but god that's 3 punt return td's this year I think. Our kick off coverage sucked. Winfield is an absolute BEAST!!!!! It's on to 13-3 baby!

snowinapril
10-07-2008, 12:19 AM
Who was the mastermind of the Double Post for a TD?

BadlandsVikings
10-07-2008, 12:19 AM
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PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:19 AM
LOVE the fact that all the ESPN analysts, except Ditka, took the Saints.

jkjuggalo
10-07-2008, 12:19 AM
A typical Vikings game under Brad Childress: hard to watch.

It seems that a single player has to have the game of a lifetime for Childress to win, and tonight that was Antoine Winfield.
He makes my pants tight whenever he makes one of those sliding tackles where he takes out the blocker and the ball-carrier.
Mmmm....

Otherwise this game was pretty pathetic.
The defense had a hard time stopping the pass again, Brees had too much time to throw, and most of all...the offense was as sloppy and sputtery as a Mormon woman's queef.

I'm still on the bench Gus bus/give TJack another shot.
One ugly play does not redeem him from a whole game's worth of shabbiness.
That's like if OJ did 40 hours of community service, and we suddenly looked the other way for all the other shit he's done.

Childress is on very thin ice still, but I would rather see us win enough game to make it to the playoffs than see us lose a bunch and fire Childress.
Hopefully we can at least make the playoffs and then fire Childress if we lose in the first round.

PurplePackerEater
10-07-2008, 12:19 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!


chilly deserves to be blamed for everything!!!!!


I am not saying Chilly is a football god.

But if we blame him for everything, logic would say he gets some credit hear.
Maybe he kept the players motivated and hopes alive.

Or, just the same thing from the same members here.


Fuck Childress.

x-ray jeff
10-07-2008, 12:19 AM
A win is a win. Winfield is the man! I could not believe Peterson had such a low rushing total- thought he would have a big game against the Saints. Is he tipping them off when he is going to get the ball somehow? Gutsy game from Gus. That drive to tie it up late was great.
Leber was good in pass coverage pretty much all night- props to him.

Garland Greene
10-07-2008, 12:19 AM
Three ways to break this game down.

Offense-did a decent job, with the exception of needed more carries out of AD, I think this is what we can expect out of it. We played not to loose the game, not what most people like but as long as we win what is the problem.

Defense-Another solid game Winfield should get Defensive player of the week. only gave up 13 points to a good offense.

Special teams-I can't say the whole special teams was horrible, Longwell did a great job, so it is not fair to put him in with horrible, So we have to say that the KO and Punt coverage Units were horrible. Erin Henerson getting lit up made me hurt though :-[

huxx
10-07-2008, 12:20 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


Well, at least we threw downfield tonight.


Exactly...this is what we've been waiting for.
Now as I said in another thread, if we can find a way to own the Bears a couple of times this season, we can actually think about the playoffs.

This doesn't feel like a turning point game, but it's a start and it is huge for us

realviking
10-07-2008, 12:21 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


So check this weird fact out... Berrian was our first 100 yard WR since Troy Williamson did it on Sept 17th 2006! Week 2 overtime win against the Panthers.


Let's hope BB's Viking career goes significantly better, though!!

KentuckyViking
10-07-2008, 12:22 AM
"BBQ" wrote:


We didn't win this game.
The Saints lost it.
Missed field goals, fumbles, miscues...and we still needed a last-minute field goal to win.

I don't know exactly what this all means - oh, wait, yes I do.
It means "Fire Childress."


You dont think we had something to do with those Saints miscues??

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:24 AM
The stopped AD but Gus came through another 200+ yard game.
Not great stats but enough to get it done

PurplePackerEater
10-07-2008, 12:25 AM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


A typical Vikings game under Brad Childress: hard to watch.

It seems that a single player has to have the game of a lifetime for Childress to win, and tonight that was Antoine Winfield.
He makes my pants tight whenever he makes one of those sliding tackles where he takes out the blocker and the ball-carrier.
Mmmm....

Otherwise this game was pretty pathetic.
The defense had a hard time stopping the pass again, Brees had too much time to throw, and most of all...the offense was as sloppy and sputtery as a Mormon woman's queef.

I'm still on the bench Gus bus/give TJack another shot.
One ugly play does not redeem him from a whole game's worth of shabbiness.
That's like if OJ did 40 hours of community service, and we suddenly looked the other way for all the other shit he's done.

Childress is on very thin ice still, but I would rather see us win enough game to make it to the playoffs than see us lose a bunch and fire Childress.
Hopefully we can at least make the playoffs and then fire Childress if we lose in the first round.



;D

snowinapril
10-07-2008, 12:28 AM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


A typical Vikings game under Brad Childress: hard to watch.



They got 2 TDs on punt returns.

They turned the ball over a million times.
Grammy missed a FG.

We intercepted a lot of balls.
We blocked a punt.

They made up the non facemask call on that fumble.
They let Drew get by with throwing to no one over the middle on the next series.
He wasn't out of the pocket.
He was withing the tackles.
Also, if they would have looked at the replay on the almost backward pass. you would have to look at where the ball was released and were it was caught.
I thought it was a backward pass and should have been our ball.

TOs kill!
Saints still were in it late even with all those TOs.
We deserved to win larger.

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:28 AM
"KentuckyViking" wrote:


"BBQ" wrote:


We didn't win this game.
The Saints lost it.
Missed field goals, fumbles, miscues...and we still needed a last-minute field goal to win.

I don't know exactly what this all means - oh, wait, yes I do.
It means "Fire Childress."


You dont think we had something to do with those Saints miscues??


Damn right... the block FG just didn't happen.
The forced fumbles were due to great plays

If you think the Saints lost ....
what about giving up 2 punt returns for TDs... The Vikes tried to lose too.

Let's face it each team made big plays.
It came down to who did what it takes

seaniemck7
10-07-2008, 12:28 AM
1. KO coverage was aweful
2. Bush almost returned 3 PR for TDs
3. We really need to capotilize when D's sell out on to stop the run (finally we did in the 4th quarter)

idahovikefan7
10-07-2008, 12:29 AM
Dang i left the bar early after bush ran his second td...I couldn't stand listening to those stupid saint fans yelling in my ear.

Oh well we won!

childress really needs to go.

And then special teams............really nothing to say about that one..............

But happy we were able to get some pressure on brees.

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 12:30 AM
How about we just do not punt and let them have 7.

That way we will not need to watch that train wreck of ST's.

WINchester FIELDer
10-07-2008, 12:30 AM
I dont know the stats but our special teams must be the worst or near the worst in the league.

at least our kickoff and punt teams

marstc09
10-07-2008, 12:30 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


T Johnson had a great game IMO. As did AW!

I know the Offense blew, but we won.
You can have a crap Offense and still win (Bears).

But, the ST's really still blow!


What did Tyrell do that was great? He blew it on the first TD pass.

jkjuggalo
10-07-2008, 12:30 AM
"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:


A typical Vikings game under Brad Childress: hard to watch.

It seems that a single player has to have the game of a lifetime for Childress to win, and tonight that was Antoine Winfield.
He makes my pants tight whenever he makes one of those sliding tackles where he takes out the blocker and the ball-carrier.
Mmmm....

Otherwise this game was pretty pathetic.
The defense had a hard time stopping the pass again, Brees had too much time to throw, and most of all...the offense was as sloppy and sputtery as a Mormon woman's queef.

I'm still on the bench Gus bus/give TJack another shot.
One ugly play does not redeem him from a whole game's worth of shabbiness.
That's like if OJ did 40 hours of community service, and we suddenly looked the other way for all the other pooh he's done.

Childress is on very thin ice still, but I would rather see us win enough game to make it to the playoffs than see us lose a bunch and fire Childress.
Hopefully we can at least make the playoffs and then fire Childress if we lose in the first round.



;D


Funny, I thought the Mormon woman queef thing would be the first to get a laugh.

Yfz01
10-07-2008, 12:31 AM
Bernard Berrian is easily th best receiver on the team and we found out why AA doesn't play more.


Jared Allen is still playing like a beast, even though it's not translating on paper (It will eventually) Partial credit for the blocked punt, with Kevin and Pat Williams.

Kevin and Pat tore it up in the middle!!
Pat was all over the run plays and Kevin was getting some good pressure (especially in the second/part of third quarter.)

Winfield is the best corner we have and should prove that it's not the system, it's Griffin (and a lesser extent it was smoot)

Griffin had some huge hits!
He had a pretty good game, for his standards.

Good job by the safeties, although I wish Tyrell and Sharper would've let Winfield get the interception, and not all have tried to fight over it...

Longwell is ace

DONT KICK TO HESTER...err.... yeah... lets just not kick to a punter.

Leber did a fine job today, and so did Chad Greenway.

What a GAME!! I need to buy this tape.
This was a roller coaster ride to the very end.
This is the one game we probably shouldn't have won this season, and we come away with a W.

MVP:
WINFIELD - easily.

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 12:32 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


T Johnson had a great game IMO. As did AW!

I know the Offense blew, but we won.
You can have a crap Offense and still win (Bears).

But, the ST's really still blow!


What did Tyrell do that was great? He blew it on the first TD pass.


He's a rookie.
He defended well after that and he had that nice one in the EZ.

PurplePackerEater
10-07-2008, 12:34 AM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:


A typical Vikings game under Brad Childress: hard to watch.

It seems that a single player has to have the game of a lifetime for Childress to win, and tonight that was Antoine Winfield.
He makes my pants tight whenever he makes one of those sliding tackles where he takes out the blocker and the ball-carrier.
Mmmm....

Otherwise this game was pretty pathetic.
The defense had a hard time stopping the pass again, Brees had too much time to throw, and most of all...the offense was as sloppy and sputtery as a Mormon woman's queef.

I'm still on the bench Gus bus/give TJack another shot.
One ugly play does not redeem him from a whole game's worth of shabbiness.
That's like if OJ did 40 hours of community service, and we suddenly looked the other way for all the other pooh he's done.

Childress is on very thin ice still, but I would rather see us win enough game to make it to the playoffs than see us lose a bunch and fire Childress.
Hopefully we can at least make the playoffs and then fire Childress if we lose in the first round.



;D


Funny, I thought the Mormon woman queef thing would be the first to get a laugh.


The shock of what I was reading wore off by then.
:D

ragz
10-07-2008, 12:36 AM
we won.
i think we are getting worse.
the offense was terrible for 3 and half quarters.
the defense did play very good but we gave up 300 yards passing and devery henderson and billy miller owned us.
yes i jsut said those two names.
plus, they had to have had a great day on 3rd down conversions.


the offense made no adjustments when the saints were obviously selling out to stop the run.
we played what was considered a terrible defense and they pretty much owned us until we hit 2 plays.
if we do anything for 3 1/2 quarters we probably dont even have to score a game tying td.


and the special teams has become a mockery.

this was a must win and its amazing to say, but how much good can we take from this win?
did this game inspire any confidence that we are moving in the right direction?
you know even terrible teams win 2 or more games a year.

MediaLoca
10-07-2008, 12:37 AM
We either have the pass or the run. There's not enough balance in our offense!


I'm very disappointed in our rushing offense and i'll tell you why, i don't think it's great defense being run i just think our OC our trying to conform AD to a rushing style he's never had and that's waiting for the holes to develop. To many tosses towards the sidelines....


I say let him "make it do what it do" they're tying to make him as patient as chester but that's not the type of back he is, let him run HARD and create the holes himself!


* not enough blitzes the first quarter, apparently there mindset is with such a paid line we can leave the front four and stay in coverage, did you see the difference when we blitzed?

michaelmazid
10-07-2008, 12:40 AM
special team's coach need to be taken out back and shot

Antonie is the most underrated player in the nfl. WOW

COJOMAY
10-07-2008, 12:44 AM
We either have the pass or the run. There's not enough balance in our offense!

What else is there???????

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:46 AM
"michaelmazid" wrote:


special team's coach need to be taken out back and shot

Antonie is the most underrated player in the nfl. WOW


Shoot only the Jekyll side which coaches the return coverage.
Praise the Hyde side that coaches the blocks FG's and kicks FG.

So I think the guy needs to get his act together

ragz
10-07-2008, 12:46 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:



We either have the pass or the run. There's not enough balance in our offense!

What else is there???????

ha ha ha.
who cares anyway, were not doing either one well.
i thought this was suppose to be the game the offense got going.
geez louise.
but we won.

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 12:48 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:



We either have the pass or the run. There's not enough balance in our offense!

What else is there???????


That's why Cojo is the PPO Wise One.

gregair13
10-07-2008, 12:50 AM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=2000211&topic=45835861

funniest two posts in a topic ever.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 12:53 AM
"michaelmazid" wrote:


special team's coach need to be taken out back and shot

Antonie is the most underrated player in the nfl. WOW


QFT.

Wow is all you can say for AW's performance.

gregair13
10-07-2008, 12:53 AM
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gramaticaki0.jpg

nailhead77
10-07-2008, 12:55 AM
I am pretty damn happy ;D.

I knew we didnt deserve the lead after the first half but i was happy we had it.

Then came the second half and i think 4 straight 3 and outs.
we kick to reggie...........touchdown, ok fine.
We kick to reggie again...........he trips over his own feet or it was also a touchdown.

WE KICK TO REGGIE AGAIN...........................TOUCHDOWN,
ARE U FUCKING SERIOUS????????
I actually wanted to us to lose just so chilly would half to explain himself.
After my anger subsided i liked the way we came back.
Gus standing strong and delivering the ball knowing he was gonna get smashed,
BB actuall ADJUSTED to the ball once.
And on the last drive we PLAYED TO WIN instead of trying not to lose, going for a deep ball on 3rd and short needing only a field goal was gutsy.

So we know that WINFIELD is a stud,
griffin still sucks,
our pass D in general still sucks, we still get no pressure on the QB, our ST is the worst i have ever seen,
our offense is so vanilla the best RB in the league cant help them,
Chilly is still retarded,
and we are 1 game out of first..............I love this game!



No matter how we got it...............it counts!

SKOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

IndoViking
10-07-2008, 12:59 AM
- Can we replace Ferraro right now? special teams coverage blows hard....
- D was bad early, but after the 1st drive they settled, good pressure at times.
- Finally a 100yds receiver after 3 years and 54 gms. (Last one was Burleson in '04)
- We played to win in the 4th Q., that's why we won

phillyviking
10-07-2008, 01:04 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:



We either have the pass or the run. There's not enough balance in our offense!

What else is there???????


I think the OP was saying that we have one or the other, it's like we can't have a game where we find good balance on offense.

The Saints were keying on Peterson. He probably didn't get enough carries, though. Childress should have stuck with him for a few more carries. He did, IIRC, have at least one screen play that went for a nice gain and caught the ball in a checkdown situation once.

Winfield was awesome tonight. So was Gramatica. The Saints were doomed when they started playing for the field goal with 2 minutes to go.

WHY WHY WHY do you keep kicking to Bush? Coffin corner, people. Coffin corner!

Not a bad game by Frerotte -- he showed some real toughness. And excellent job by the defense keeping pressure on Brees.

I'm going to try not to bitch too much since we won and next week we face the Liedowns.

V4L
10-07-2008, 01:04 AM
Win

Thats all we did

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 01:11 AM
http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_content&id=547&itemid=69

VikingsExpress
10-07-2008, 01:13 AM
So i just came from the espn site rapid fire discusion after the game and they were (SAINTS FANS) mad b/c they think AP fumbled and were blaming Eddy for the call.
Come on now, that wasn't a fumble...he was obviously down.
Then again they were on him about the face mask.
Thats not even his call, he wasn't anywhere near that play.
Give the guy a break...these things happen get over it.
He is still an outstanding ref in the NFL.
I am glad they were able to get a win.
Somebody better explain to me why we kicked to Bush.
Not a very sound game plan in my honest oppinion.
Well, on to the lions!!! SKOL VIKES!!!!

TheViking88
10-07-2008, 01:18 AM
i watched the postgame interview with childress and he addresed the punts.....kluwe was told to punt the ball out of bounds after the 1st return and this is a direct quote from childress..."if he wont punt the ball out of bounds, then we will find someone who will"
maybe kluwes days are numbered...even though for some reason he didnt kick it out of bounds, he is still one hell of a punter

V4L
10-07-2008, 01:20 AM
We will keep Kluwe

He's just angry

Deronn
10-07-2008, 01:30 AM
Fire Paul Ferraro and Brian Murphy now. ST's have looked bad every game.

tke0933
10-07-2008, 01:31 AM
Same opinion as a lot of others about the ST coverage teams.
Still need a lot of work.
Gus hung tough and made some good reads/throws when he had to.
Finally got to see some pressure from the front four when we had a lead, but the blitzes really made a difference.
The zone coverage on defense got picked apart pretty good but Brees is a pretty good QB.
Overall though, it is a win!

packerbasher
10-07-2008, 01:45 AM
This game isnt close if we had ST coverage,they dont get the 2 punt returns for tds and they dont start at the (or close to) 50 yard line 4 times or so.We still can't cover worth a darn.To have A.P. get only 32 yards or close to is something that should never ever happen with this O-LINE.Another game where cook gets another false start flag,he reminds me of the false start king Stussie.Roy Williams wants out of Detroit (and who can blame him)I hope we make a move for him before the trade deadline has gone by.B.B is a #2 receiver at best and god knows we need WR help.Looking at the remaining games left to play I say we win maybe 5 of them and finish 8-8 and I will hope that being average is not good enough for Ziggy and he hands B.C his walking papers.Just think we could of picked up brees a few years back ,instead B.C puts the future in T-Jack.

V4L
10-07-2008, 01:47 AM
Berrian had about half of Gus's yards and he's a number 2?

He played great tonight except for the drops

But we all know Terrell Owens and Braylon Edwards get passes for that

ragz
10-07-2008, 01:47 AM
we are still giving too much time and too big of a pocket for qbs to step in and throw.
that play to miller before the missed fg by them.
that happens becuz brees was able to step up in a gigantic pocket with nothing in front of him and make a great throw where the coverage wasn't taht bad.
that happened plenty throughout the game.
it changed when we started blitzing more but it was still there.
what happened when we maintained solid gaps, we knocked down a handful of balls.
but how many 2nd and 3rd and longs did we give up like 15 yards or more?
still not good enough and a big problem if we think we are gonna move forward at all.

V4L
10-07-2008, 01:54 AM
Oh yah Erin Henderson got LIT UP

Welcome to the NFL young man!

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 02:07 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Berrian had about half of Gus's yards and he's a number 2?

He played great tonight except for the drops

But we all know Terrell Owens and Braylon Edwards get passes for that


Have you watched Edwards this year?

Before you just toss that out there, you may want to see how he is doing.
And by that I mean he will make T-Will look like Cris Carter.
He is on pace to double his dropped passes that he had a few years back and fans here are seriously hating.


Bro, he is bad.
Last year was a fluke.

V4L
10-07-2008, 02:10 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Berrian had about half of Gus's yards and he's a number 2?

He played great tonight except for the drops

But we all know Terrell Owens and Braylon Edwards get passes for that


Have you watched Edwards this year?

Before you just toss that out there, you may want to see how he is doing.
And by that I mean he will make T-Will look like Cris Carter.
He is on pace to double his dropped passes that he had a few years back and fans here are seriously hating.


Bro, he is bad.
Last year was a fluke.



Yah I couldnt think of anyone else that has the drops but is praised

Im far too tired

thevikingfan
10-07-2008, 02:10 AM
There is some good to take from this game.First of all props to the defense sure e gave up a lot of yards but e held them to 13 points offensivly big turnover and winfields blocked kick return.Gus came alive at the end along with berrian to in the game for us.Peterson had no room to run all day.

special teams coverage as atrocious and so was the play calling for most of the day.

All in all i ill enjoy this in it is nice to have these kind of games go your ay once in a while

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 02:13 AM
"V4L" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Berrian had about half of Gus's yards and he's a number 2?

He played great tonight except for the drops

But we all know Terrell Owens and Braylon Edwards get passes for that


Have you watched Edwards this year?

Before you just toss that out there, you may want to see how he is doing.
And by that I mean he will make T-Will look like Cris Carter.
He is on pace to double his dropped passes that he had a few years back and fans here are seriously hating.


Bro, he is bad.
Last year was a fluke.



Yah I couldnt think of anyone else that has the drops but is praised

Im far too tired


Trust me, there is no praise for him this year.

He blows again!

UTVikfan
10-07-2008, 02:37 AM
On the Braylon Edwards thing, I have seen clips of his drops in the games...and I live in Utah. They are not praising Braylon Edwards.

What a crazy game. Left me breathless, lol. Hats off to the D. Holding the best passing O to 13 points, when they got the ball at the 50 every time, is amazing! Of course the saints DID help us out in that, but, still, I was expecting us to be down 20 at the half. AWinfield OMFG! What a game, I hope that one on national tv will get him noticed enough for the probowl, finally. Line got good pressure, Brees was NOT comfy, and if anyone can carve up a D (this year) its him. Even better when they blitzed. I was happy to see the Williams's and Allen stay in, and get that block. Of all things, they have Winfield there looking for it, from what I got outta Childress's pc. Crazy. I saw two decleatings by Griffin. Nice hits.

Our O-Line apparently took the day off. Even with 12 people in the box, our O-Line can still make SOME room to run, when they are on. They did however do good on the pass blocking, for the most part. Our O was sad, sad, sad, sad for 3 1/2 quarters. I am glad Ferotte and our receivers hands stepped up at the end. O still has a long way to go.

Fire Childress.

V4L
10-07-2008, 02:40 AM
"UTVikfan" wrote:


On the Braylon Edwards thing, I have seen clips of his drops in the games...and I live in Utah. They are not praising Braylon Edwards.

What a crazy game. Left me breathless, lol. Hats off to the D. Holding the best passing O to 13 points, when they got the ball at the 50 every time, is amazing! Of course the saints DID help us out in that, but, still, I was expecting us to be down 20 at the half. AWinfield OMFG! What a game, I hope that one on national tv will get him noticed enough for the probowl, finally. Line got good pressure, Brees was NOT comfy, and if anyone can carve up a D (this year) its him. Even better when they blitzed. I was happy to see the Williams's and Allen stay in, and get that block. Of all things, they have Winfield there looking for it, from what I got outta Childress's pc. Crazy. I saw two decleatings by Griffin. Nice hits.

Our O-Line apparently took the day off. Even with 12 people in the box, our O-Line can still make SOME room to run, when they are on. They did however do good on the pass blocking, for the most part. Our O was sad, sad, sad, sad for 3 1/2 quarters. I am glad Ferotte and our receivers hands stepped up at the end. O still has a long way to go.

Fire Childress.



I know I tried to clear that up

I can't think of any other WRs besides Owens who still gets praise but still drops a ton of balls

Cuz im tired.. There is more

RK.
10-07-2008, 02:45 AM
Could we get someone on special teams that can tackle?
Gawd that was awful.
We were lucky to win this one.

Schutz
10-07-2008, 02:55 AM
Happy that there is something positive to talk about.
Can't complain about a W too much.

Although it would have been nice to stop Reggie Bush as some point.

Gus did a good job, what he's supposed to do anyways.

Good job by the staff at actually calling something that was imaginative for once.
And we got the TD because of it.

The Vikings really needed this, good to see.

PurpleTide
10-07-2008, 07:29 AM
After surrendering field position all game with lousy coverage, it was a miracle we gave up 13 points to Brees and Co. The defense got just enough pressure at key moments to keep Brees from really finding his timing. Antoine Winfield for President.

singersp
10-07-2008, 07:53 AM
I still can't figure out Childress' sense of no urgency before the half to score before the half ended. It looked like they were satisfied with only putting up 3 instead of 7. WTF is up with that? Those 4 points could have easily cost us the game had it not been we were in FG range with time running out in the game due to a pass interference call.

singersp
10-07-2008, 07:58 AM
Turn overs & the blocked FG made the difference in this game. Plus a missed call (Greenway's facemask) & blown call (Peterson's fumble) that went our way.

We have lacked in the turnover dept in all our losses.

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 07:59 AM
"Schutz" wrote:


Happy that there is something positive to talk about.
Can't complain about a W too much.

Although it would have been nice to stop Reggie Bush as some point.

Gus did a good job, what he's supposed to do anyways.

Good job by the staff at actually calling something that was imaginative for once.
And we got the TD because of it.

The Vikings really needed this, good to see.


True.
The Vikings really needed a win even if it was not pretty.

singersp
10-07-2008, 08:00 AM
Hey Childress! Did you ever think of kicking away from Reggie Bush instead of kicking to him?

You better watch the film. We have the Bears & Hester coming up.

VikingMike
10-07-2008, 08:09 AM
"singersp" wrote:


I still can't figure out Childress' sense of no urgency before the half to score before the half ended. It looked like they were satisfied with only putting up 3 instead of 7. WTF is up with that? Those 4 points could have easily cost us the game had it not been we were in FG range with time running out in the game due to a pass interference call.



Unbelievable...even the announcers were flapping about it. Clock and time management have been awful.

singersp
10-07-2008, 08:11 AM
General football question about the game.

When the Saints "turtled" the ball on the final kickoff, at what point is the whistle blown & the play stopped?

Does a defender have to touch him before the whistle blows?

If so, why not just stand around him without touching him & let the final seconds tick away?

Purple Floyd
10-07-2008, 08:12 AM
We won.

That is the most important thing. But there are underlying problems that are going to haunt this team this year. The Saints are not a good defensive team and they are in last place in their division. If we cannot move the ball consistently against them our offense is in trouble. After the third consecutive 3 and out in a row in the third quarter the cameras turned to Chilly's face and his expression pretty much summed up the teams problems. He looked absolutely lost and out of his element, much like our offense in the last 3 years and the team much of that time. Fire Childress.

I have been harsh about winfield in the past 2 year but he certainly served me some crow in the past few games. He is playing at a higher level than he has ever played.

On the offense:

I hear alot about AD needing more carries. I watched the Saints D and they consistently had 8,9 or 10 guys at the line on 1st and 2nd down and we were running into that with 6 or 7 blocking. I am not a football genius but I do know some math and 6 against 10 is not a favorable ratio. For goodness sake we need to get our passing game going before we are going to be able to run on good teams. AD got pounded so badly last night I thought he wasn't going to get up after that one hit where his helmet came off.


But one thing that was good is that even though the passing game had serious problems Gus kept pushing it down the field late in the game and that is what made the difference for us.

singersp
10-07-2008, 08:33 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


We won.

That is the most important thing. But there are underlying problems that are going to haunt this team this year. The Saints are not a good defensive team and they are in last place in their division. If we cannot move the ball consistently against them our offense is in trouble. After the third consecutive 3 and out in a row in the third quarter the cameras turned to Chilly's face and his expression pretty much summed up the teams problems. He looked absolutely lost and out of his element, much like our offense in the last 3 years and the team much of that time. Fire Childress.

I have been harsh about winfield in the past 2 year but he certainly served me some crow in the past few games. He is playing at a higher level than he has ever played.

On the offense:

I hear alot about AD needing more carries. I watched the Saints D and they consistently had 8,9 or 10 guys at the line on 1st and 2nd down and we were running into that with 6 or 7 blocking. I am not a football genius but I do know some math and 6 against 10 is not a favorable ratio. For goodness sake we need to get our passing game going before we are going to be able to run on good teams. AD got pounded so badly last night I thought he wasn't going to get up after that one hit where his helmet came off.


But one thing that was good is that even though the passing game had serious problems Gus kept pushing it down the field late in the game and that is what made the difference for us.



Ditto.

When your star RB only averages 1.5 YPC against one of the worst defenses in the league, the answer is not "AD needs more carries". What they need is better ways to use him.

Sorry Childress & Bevell, but after watching 4 games this year, sending AD up the middle against a stacked box isn't working. Taylor is more suited for that.

I liked the screen passes to him, but somebody needs to work with him to improve his pass catching abilities & teach him how to hang onto the ball.

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 08:37 AM
"singersp" wrote:


Hey Childress! Did you ever think of kicking away from Reggie Bush instead of kicking to him?

You better watch the film. We have the Bears & Hester coming up.



Didn't you hear Brad.
Kluwe was told to kick it out of bounds the second time.


– Vikings coach Brad Childress was extremely upset with punter Chris Kluwe, who was supposed to kick the ball out of bounds on both of the touchdown returns by Reggie Bush. The Vikings special teams were a major issue tonight and really have not performed well all season.

Childress was asked if Kluwe struggles with kicking the ball out of bounds. He said if Kluwe can’t execute it, he will find another punter who can.



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2007

singersp
10-07-2008, 08:43 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Hey Childress! Did you ever think of kicking away from Reggie Bush instead of kicking to him?

You better watch the film. We have the Bears & Hester coming up.



Didn't you hear Brad.
Kluwe was told to kick it out of bounds the second time.


– Vikings coach Brad Childress was extremely upset with punter Chris Kluwe, who was supposed to kick the ball out of bounds on both of the touchdown returns by Reggie Bush. The Vikings special teams were a major issue tonight and really have not performed well all season.

Childress was asked if Kluwe struggles with kicking the ball out of bounds. He said if Kluwe can’t execute it, he will find another punter who can.



http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2007


I stand corrected.

Thanx Ultra!

thevikingfan
10-07-2008, 08:53 AM
"singersp" wrote:


Hey Childress! Did you ever think of kicking away from Reggie Bush instead of kicking to him?

You better watch the film. We have the Bears & Hester coming up.



childress wasnt the one kicking kluwe was,and kluwe was supposed to kick away from bush but he didnt blame it on kluwe

Del Rio
10-07-2008, 08:56 AM
Offense looked like garbage. They stacked 8 all night long and we still couldnt move the chains.

We would get them in 3rd 18 situations and give up uncontested 21 yard passes to move the chains.

Jared Allen gets WAY too deep on his pass rush. He does not contain at all. I watched the line play exclusively all game long and the Williams are getting doubled and Jared Allen is taking himself out of the play. He is essentially creating a pocket not attacking one. Brian Robinson on the other hand was attacking the pocket.

All in all we did enough to win and the ball bounced our way more often then not. A couple bad calls, a couple lucky bounces and we win. I will take it and I am happy about it, but this game did very little to excite me for the rest of our season. If they can build from this, gain confidence Ill be happy.

Garland Greene
10-07-2008, 09:04 AM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


"KentuckyViking" wrote:


"BBQ" wrote:


We didn't win this game.
The Saints lost it.
Missed field goals, fumbles, miscues...and we still needed a last-minute field goal to win.

I don't know exactly what this all means - oh, wait, yes I do.
It means "Fire Childress."


You dont think we had something to do with those Saints miscues??


Damn right... the block FG just didn't happen.
The forced fumbles were due to great plays

If you think the Saints lost ....
what about giving up 2 punt returns for TDs... The Vikes tried to lose too.

Let's face it each team made big plays.
It came down to who did what it takes


What's funny is that we do it last week everyone blames Childress, We capitlaize on it this week and people are still unhappy about it ???

Garland Greene
10-07-2008, 09:15 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Oh yah Erin Henderson got LIT UP

Welcome to the NFL young man!


http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b7000f

To bad it was Erin, Because even I said DAMN!!! on that one. One of the best hits I have seen and the reaction afterwords
by Dunbar#56 was priceless.

COJOMAY
10-07-2008, 09:17 AM
"Del" wrote:


Offense looked like garbage. They stacked 8 all night long and we still couldnt move the chains.

We would get them in 3rd 18 situations and give up uncontested 21 yard passes to move the chains.

Jared Allen gets WAY too deep on his pass rush. He does not contain at all. I watched the line play exclusively all game long and the Williams are getting doubled and Jared Allen is taking himself out of the play. He is essentially creating a pocket not attacking one. Brian Robinson on the other hand was attacking the pocket.

All in all we did enough to win and the ball bounced our way more often then not. A couple bad calls, a couple lucky bounces and we win. I will take it and I am happy about it, but this game did very little to excite me for the rest of our season. If they can build from this, gain confidence Ill be happy.


I've been saying that for most of the season, but no one seems to be listening Del. Although I will give him props that he did hold up at the line for a bit as a pass defender on the tight end.

thorshammer
10-07-2008, 09:29 AM
It wasn't pretty but we finally figured out how to win one of those weird games and we finally got a couple of breaks from the refs instead of getting screwed by them. D played well. O hung in there. ST = oops. Play calling a little better. AD had a rough nite. We should pass more since it looks like we can make some plays then the run will free up a bit.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 09:30 AM
Childress threw Kluwe under the bus.
He was supposed to be punting out of bounds and didn't.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b70ae1

Watch at about 0:48.
Basically said that when he tells a professional punter to kick the ball out of bounds he expects it to go out of bounds.
And also said that if he (Kluwe) can't get it done he will find someone who can.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 09:40 AM
Another link about Kluwe.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

singersp
10-07-2008, 09:42 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress threw Kluwe under the bus.
He was supposed to be punting out of bounds and didn't.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b70ae1

Watch at about 0:48.
Basically said that when he tells a professional punter to kick the ball out of bounds he expects it to go out of bounds.
And also said that if he (Kluwe) can't get it done he will find someone who can.


But then again, he would have to be here next year in order to do that.
;)

VikesFan4Life
10-07-2008, 09:42 AM
Feels great to get a win in a crazy-ass MNF game!

*rant on*
I don't know what the hell this offensive line's problem is, but as a unit they played like absolute shit last night - pass pro was mediocre at best, and the run blocking was absolutely horrendous.

I don't really give a fuck if teams are stacking the box, you still need to block for your RB.
Right now the o-line is embarassingly soft (IMO) and is getting owned by DTs and LBs on a play-by-play basis.

I won't pretend to know what the solution is, but they need to start playing better.
The offense needs more balance than that; you just can't be one-dimensional on a week-by-week basis and expect to win a lot of games.
*rant off*

Lets kick the crap out of the Kitties next week like we should!
I want a shutout, we haven't had one of those in quite a while...

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 09:47 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress threw Kluwe under the bus.
He was supposed to be punting out of bounds and didn't.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b70ae1

Watch at about 0:48.
Basically said that when he tells a professional punter to kick the ball out of bounds he expects it to go out of bounds.
And also said that if he (Kluwe) can't get it done he will find someone who can.


But then again, he would have to be here next year in order to do that.
;)


Nope, there are a lot of punters that we can bring in during the season.
Kluwe is a decent punter, but he is replaceable any week.

Seriously, as a punter, you have one job.
Punt the ball where you are told.
If that is down the middle, it is down the middle.
If it is in the corner, it is in the corner.
And if it is out of bounds, then punt the damn rock out of bounds.
I don't like Childress calling out a player to the press, but I agree with his anger.

VikingMike
10-07-2008, 09:48 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress threw Kluwe under the bus.
He was supposed to be punting out of bounds and didn't.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b70ae1

Watch at about 0:48.
Basically said that when he tells a professional punter to kick the ball out of bounds he expects it to go out of bounds.
And also said that if he (Kluwe) can't get it done he will find someone who can.



I wouldn't necessarily call it throwing him under the bus, but rather calling him out. Maybe it's better kept in the locker room, but obviously Chilly was frustrated.

Good job Gus hanging in on that play, making the pass and taking the big hit.

ragz
10-07-2008, 09:50 AM
childress has got to settle down.
when you do as much wrong as we did in that game i dont think you can just jump all over him.
i'm sure hes frustrated as hell, especially with his job on the line, but he could spread plenty of blame to go around.
i know he had to explain what happened, but get that fixed with kluwe along with all the other shit.


looking ahead, they have to use this lion game as a way to get alot of the problems we have fixed.
if we lose to the lions at home for some god forsaken reason i think that says it all.
but if we take care of business and go into chicago that could be a game that changes the whole season around.
with all the crappy play we've seen, if they can get it right on the road heading into the bye all bets are off.
i dont mean to overlook the lions, but theres no way we can lose to them unless we are preparing for next years draft.

keystonevike
10-07-2008, 09:55 AM
Hi. I'm a new member.Just want to say "What a game last nite!!!!" The d bent but never broke, the o came alive in the 4th qtr., we FINALLY threw the deep ball, and hey! we even ran a trick play. The kick/punt coverage was POOR. Definitely needs to improve. Gus took a lot of hits but did what it took to win. Not spectacular numbers but made key plays when we needed 'em on a nite when AD was bottled up pretty well. Antoine Winfield is a BEAST!!!! We got some breaks from the refs but hey, a W is a W and now we need to string some together. BTW happy to be a member.

CTVikingfan
10-07-2008, 09:59 AM
Welcome

mblack76
10-07-2008, 10:01 AM
"ragz" wrote:


childress has got to settle down.
when you do as much wrong as we did in that game i dont think you can just jump all over him.
i'm sure hes frustrated as hell, especially with his job on the line, but he could spread plenty of blame to go around. i know he had to explain what happened, but get that fixed with kluwe along with all the other pooh.

looking ahead, they have to use this lion game as a way to get alot of the problems we have fixed.
if we lose to the lions at home for some god forsaken reason i think that says it all.
but if we take care of business and go into chicago that could be a game that changes the whole season around.
with all the crappy play we've seen, if they can get it right on the road heading into the bye all bets are off.
i dont mean to overlook the lions, but theres no way we can lose to them unless we are preparing for next years draft.




The question was about why they punted to Bush. He responded that they were not supposed to punt to Bush and that Kluwe had been asked to kick it out. Who else do you blame here? He answered the question that was asked.

jmcdon00
10-07-2008, 10:05 AM
"mblack76" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


childress has got to settle down.
when you do as much wrong as we did in that game i dont think you can just jump all over him.
i'm sure hes frustrated as hell, especially with his job on the line, but he could spread plenty of blame to go around.
i know he had to explain what happened, but get that fixed with kluwe along with all the other pooh.


looking ahead, they have to use this lion game as a way to get alot of the problems we have fixed.
if we lose to the lions at home for some god forsaken reason i think that says it all.
but if we take care of business and go into chicago that could be a game that changes the whole season around.
with all the crappy play we've seen, if they can get it right on the road heading into the bye all bets are off.
i dont mean to overlook the lions, but theres no way we can lose to them unless we are preparing for next years draft.




The question was about why they punted to Bush. He responded that they were not supposed to punt to Bush and that Kluwe had been asked to kick it out. Who else do you blame here? He answered the question that was asked.

Maybe the coverage team was told the kick was going out of bounds and let them selves get out of position.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 10:05 AM
"keystonevike" wrote:


Hi. I'm a new member.Just want to say "What a game last nite!!!!" The d bent but never broke, the o came alive in the 4th qtr., we FINALLY threw the deep ball, and hey! we even ran a trick play. The kick/punt coverage was POOR. Definitely needs to improve. Gus took a lot of hits but did what it took to win. Not spectacular numbers but made key plays when we needed 'em on a nite when AD was bottled up pretty well. Antoine Winfield is a BEAST!!!! We got some breaks from the refs but hey, a W is a W and now we need to string some together. BTW happy to be a member.


Skol and Welcome.
We are happy to have you here.
It was a great game, I agree.
And we should be happy for our win.
There were some ugly moments, but it was a deserved win.

Now go to the free beer forum and introduce yourself! :)

marshallvike
10-07-2008, 10:06 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress threw Kluwe under the bus.
He was supposed to be punting out of bounds and didn't.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b70ae1

Watch at about 0:48.
Basically said that when he tells a professional punter to kick the ball out of bounds he expects it to go out of bounds.
And also said that if he (Kluwe) can't get it done he will find someone who can.


But then again, he would have to be here next year in order to do that.
;)


Nope, there are a lot of punters that we can bring in during the season.
Kluwe is a decent punter, but he is replaceable any week.

Seriously, as a punter, you have one job.
Punt the ball where you are told.
If that is down the middle, it is down the middle.
If it is in the corner, it is in the corner.
And if it is out of bounds, then punt the gol 'darnit rock out of bounds.
I don't like Childress calling out a player to the press, but I agree with his anger.


kluwe has been fantastic for us. he shouldn't be dumped after one poorly played game. he has really become good at pinning the opp deep. we will not find another punter of his caliber. he got called out. i'm sure he knows he flooped up. hopefully he won't do it again.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 10:07 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"mblack76" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


childress has got to settle down.
when you do as much wrong as we did in that game i dont think you can just jump all over him.
i'm sure hes frustrated as hell, especially with his job on the line, but he could spread plenty of blame to go around.
i know he had to explain what happened, but get that fixed with kluwe along with all the other pooh.


looking ahead, they have to use this lion game as a way to get alot of the problems we have fixed.
if we lose to the lions at home for some god forsaken reason i think that says it all.
but if we take care of business and go into chicago that could be a game that changes the whole season around.
with all the crappy play we've seen, if they can get it right on the road heading into the bye all bets are off.
i dont mean to overlook the lions, but theres no way we can lose to them unless we are preparing for next years draft.




The question was about why they punted to Bush. He responded that they were not supposed to punt to Bush and that Kluwe had been asked to kick it out. Who else do you blame here? He answered the question that was asked.

Maybe the coverage team was told the kick was going out of bounds and let them selves get out of position.


I am sure the coverage team knew that the kick was supposed to go out, but they should still play the ball.
Bottom line, Kluwe f-ed up by not kicking it out of bounds - three times.
The coverage team dropped the ball by letting Bush make them look stupid.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 10:08 AM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress threw Kluwe under the bus.
He was supposed to be punting out of bounds and didn't.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b70ae1

Watch at about 0:48.
Basically said that when he tells a professional punter to kick the ball out of bounds he expects it to go out of bounds.
And also said that if he (Kluwe) can't get it done he will find someone who can.


But then again, he would have to be here next year in order to do that.
;)


Nope, there are a lot of punters that we can bring in during the season.
Kluwe is a decent punter, but he is replaceable any week.

Seriously, as a punter, you have one job.
Punt the ball where you are told.
If that is down the middle, it is down the middle.
If it is in the corner, it is in the corner.
And if it is out of bounds, then punt the gol 'darnit rock out of bounds.
I don't like Childress calling out a player to the press, but I agree with his anger.


kluwe has been fantastic for us. he shouldn't be dumped after one poorly played game. he has really become good at pinning the opp deep. we will not find another punter of his caliber. he got called out. i'm sure he knows he flooped up. hopefully he won't do it again.


Kluwe is great on deep high kicks.
He has always struggled with directional kicking.

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 10:13 AM
Great win!!!

Berrian, over 100 yards and a TD!!! (although, still an ugly game for him)

Gus stepped up!!!!

Fire Childress!!!

mblack76
10-07-2008, 10:14 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"mblack76" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


childress has got to settle down.
when you do as much wrong as we did in that game i dont think you can just jump all over him.
i'm sure hes frustrated as hell, especially with his job on the line, but he could spread plenty of blame to go around.
i know he had to explain what happened, but get that fixed with kluwe along with all the other pooh.


looking ahead, they have to use this lion game as a way to get alot of the problems we have fixed.
if we lose to the lions at home for some god forsaken reason i think that says it all.
but if we take care of business and go into chicago that could be a game that changes the whole season around.
with all the crappy play we've seen, if they can get it right on the road heading into the bye all bets are off.
i dont mean to overlook the lions, but theres no way we can lose to them unless we are preparing for next years draft.




The question was about why they punted to Bush. He responded that they were not supposed to punt to Bush and that Kluwe had been asked to kick it out. Who else do you blame here? He answered the question that was asked.

Maybe the coverage team was told the kick was going out of bounds and let them selves get out of position.

Maybe, and we go back to the question... why did it NOT go out of bounds?

mountainviking
10-07-2008, 10:17 AM
Wow.
A W is a Win!!
But that was ugly!
Winfield was a one man wrecking machine...sign that guy to a freakin extension already!!

I think Kluwe has improved on the directionals...I wonder if it was a mental lapse/lack of focus issue.
Cuz our team seems to have way too many of those in general.

marshallvike
10-07-2008, 10:20 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress threw Kluwe under the bus.
He was supposed to be punting out of bounds and didn't.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b70ae1

Watch at about 0:48.
Basically said that when he tells a professional punter to kick the ball out of bounds he expects it to go out of bounds.
And also said that if he (Kluwe) can't get it done he will find someone who can.


But then again, he would have to be here next year in order to do that.
;)


Nope, there are a lot of punters that we can bring in during the season.
Kluwe is a decent punter, but he is replaceable any week.

Seriously, as a punter, you have one job.
Punt the ball where you are told.
If that is down the middle, it is down the middle.
If it is in the corner, it is in the corner.
And if it is out of bounds, then punt the gol 'darnit rock out of bounds.
I don't like Childress calling out a player to the press, but I agree with his anger.


kluwe has been fantastic for us. he shouldn't be dumped after one poorly played game. he has really become good at pinning the opp deep. we will not find another punter of his caliber. he got called out. i'm sure he knows he flooped up. hopefully he won't do it again.


Kluwe is great on deep high kicks.
He has always struggled with directional kicking.



he used to be bad at directional kicking. he has turned that around(except for last night). he was 2nd in the league last year pinning the opponent inside the 20.

ragz
10-07-2008, 10:20 AM
"mblack76" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


childress has got to settle down.
when you do as much wrong as we did in that game i dont think you can just jump all over him.
i'm sure hes frustrated as hell, especially with his job on the line, but he could spread plenty of blame to go around. i know he had to explain what happened, but get that fixed with kluwe along with all the other pooh.

looking ahead, they have to use this lion game as a way to get alot of the problems we have fixed.
if we lose to the lions at home for some god forsaken reason i think that says it all.
but if we take care of business and go into chicago that could be a game that changes the whole season around.
with all the crappy play we've seen, if they can get it right on the road heading into the bye all bets are off.
i dont mean to overlook the lions, but theres no way we can lose to them unless we are preparing for next years draft.




The question was about why they punted to Bush. He responded that they were not supposed to punt to Bush and that Kluwe had been asked to kick it out. Who else do you blame here? He answered the question that was asked.

what part of my post didnt you understand?
i said i realize he had to address it, but he doesnt have to start talking about replacing one guy when a whole litany of players weren't exactly stellar, including teh coverage whether the kicks were suppposed to be outta bounds or not.
how do you explain the shitty kickoff coverage and the fact that we kept kicking off deep instead of maybe squibbing?
or should we just have let them return the ball to our 50 3 times?
the point is he didnt have to show his disgust with just kluwe, he shoulda been pissed off at alot of things.

mblack76
10-07-2008, 10:27 AM
"ragz" wrote:


"mblack76" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


childress has got to settle down.
when you do as much wrong as we did in that game i dont think you can just jump all over him.
i'm sure hes frustrated as hell, especially with his job on the line, but he could spread plenty of blame to go around. i know he had to explain what happened, but get that fixed with kluwe along with all the other pooh.

looking ahead, they have to use this lion game as a way to get alot of the problems we have fixed.
if we lose to the lions at home for some god forsaken reason i think that says it all.
but if we take care of business and go into chicago that could be a game that changes the whole season around.
with all the crappy play we've seen, if they can get it right on the road heading into the bye all bets are off.
i dont mean to overlook the lions, but theres no way we can lose to them unless we are preparing for next years draft.




The question was about why they punted to Bush. He responded that they were not supposed to punt to Bush and that Kluwe had been asked to kick it out. Who else do you blame here? He answered the question that was asked.

what part of my post didnt you understand?
i said i realize he had to address it, but he doesnt have to start talking about replacing one guy when a whole litany of players weren't exactly stellar, including teh coverage whether the kicks were suppposed to be outta bounds or not.
how do you explain the poohie kickoff coverage and the fact that we kept kicking off deep instead of maybe squibbing?
or should we just have let them return the ball to our 50 3 times?
the point is he didnt have to show his disgust with just kluwe, he shoulda been pissed off at alot of things.


The part in red. Specifically the section that starts with ... but...That is what I dont agree with.
He showed his disgust about Kluwe because he was asked about the PUNT TO Bush which was done by Kluwe. So he was talking within a SPECIFIC context.

Sajid28
10-07-2008, 10:31 AM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!


Ahhhh.... what did Brad do?
Winfield seems to be the spark plug.

Chilly was the anemic offense in the first 3 quarters




chilly didnt do anything besides make it harder for us to come out with the W. I heard plenty of times Jaws, Mike Tirico and Tony K saying I really question the playcalling. This guy does not know how to run this offense.

Json
10-07-2008, 10:32 AM
Big Win for the Vikings, regardless of how you slice it.
Offense stepped up and made some plays when they needed them.
Talk about overcoming adversity!!!
Why is everyone so damn gloomy about how they won?
Who gives a rats ass how they won, they where up nicely at halftime gave it back to the Saints by playing piss poor on the punt returns (which by the way is Kluwes fault 100%, if the coach tells a player to KICK THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS TWICE and he fails to do so how is that anyone but Kluwes fault?
We all know Reggie is lightning and how everybody is so shocked by him doing what he did last night is beyond me. you just don't kick them the ball pretty simple shit and for that reason I would threaten to fire his ass as well)
and still came back offensively and made some big plays.
Gus Frerrote played his heart out and he gained a little respect in my book.
Making big plays away from home and the rest of the team stepped up even with Adrian having a horse shit game.
I loved the win and now it's on to the easier part of the schedule.

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 10:32 AM
"Sajid28" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!


Ahhhh.... what did Brad do?
Winfield seems to be the spark plug.

Chilly was the anemic offense in the first 3 quarters




chilly didnt do anything besides make it harder for us to come out with the W. I heard plenty of times Jaws, Mike Tirico and Tony K saying I really question the playcalling. This guy does not know how to run this offense.


Not to mention he put Chester Taylor in to return a kick yesterday, too... idiot.

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 10:34 AM
I'm totally fired up about the win, Json... but I'm also trying to be a realist, it was an ugly win. Up until late in the game, our offense looked awful.

I though our D-Line did a good job, as the game went on, putting pressure on Breese. After Winfield caused that fumble, Breese was a bit shaken up... didn't play quite as good for the rest of the game.

tb04512
10-07-2008, 10:38 AM
winfield was amazing, he hits like a linebacker! can we clone him?

ragz
10-07-2008, 10:40 AM
"mblack76" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


"mblack76" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


childress has got to settle down.
when you do as much wrong as we did in that game i dont think you can just jump all over him.
i'm sure hes frustrated as hell, especially with his job on the line, but he could spread plenty of blame to go around. i know he had to explain what happened, but get that fixed with kluwe along with all the other pooh.

looking ahead, they have to use this lion game as a way to get alot of the problems we have fixed.
if we lose to the lions at home for some god forsaken reason i think that says it all.
but if we take care of business and go into chicago that could be a game that changes the whole season around.
with all the crappy play we've seen, if they can get it right on the road heading into the bye all bets are off.
i dont mean to overlook the lions, but theres no way we can lose to them unless we are preparing for next years draft.




The question was about why they punted to Bush. He responded that they were not supposed to punt to Bush and that Kluwe had been asked to kick it out. Who else do you blame here? He answered the question that was asked.

what part of my post didnt you understand?
i said i realize he had to address it, but he doesnt have to start talking about replacing one guy when a whole litany of players weren't exactly stellar, including teh coverage whether the kicks were suppposed to be outta bounds or not.
how do you explain the poohie kickoff coverage and the fact that we kept kicking off deep instead of maybe squibbing?
or should we just have let them return the ball to our 50 3 times?
the point is he didnt have to show his disgust with just kluwe, he shoulda been pissed off at alot of things.


The part in red. Specifically the section that starts with ... but...That is what I dont agree with.
He showed his disgust about Kluwe because he was asked about the PUNT TO Bush which was done by Kluwe. So he was talking within a SPECIFIC context.

yah, BUT then went on to say the whole junk about bringing someone in if they can't do their job.
i dont expect him to baby him or look out for his feelings, i just thought it was a little ridiculous to pick on him at that point when so much was done wrong.
you feel me.

Json
10-07-2008, 10:43 AM
I though our D-Line did a good job, as the game went on, putting pressure on Breese. After Winfield caused that fumble, Breese was a bit shaken up... didn't play quite as good for the rest of the game.

I totally agree.
After that hit and strip recovery by Winfield it sure felt like that NO offense started having some issues.
Before that play I was thinking about how long of a night it was going to be defensively for the vikings trying to stop the pass.
An absolute rockin game for Winfield and hands down the MVP of this game.
Besides all the other things he did what about the 8 tackles, 5 of which are for a loss, that stat alone is huge.

tastywaves
10-07-2008, 10:51 AM
Safety play sucked last night, the only time I saw a purple jersey in coverage over the middle it was Leber.
Leber was our best safety last night.
Tyrell is very slow to react to the ball and I don't know where the hell Sharper was last night.

Monster game from AW, he's consistently shown he knows how to deliver game changing plays.
Love to watch this guy.

Griffin was left out to hang multiple times with our blitz packages, but did well at limiting the damage.
There were a few times where he had to try and cover two receivers (yo Tyrell, how about some help bud).
Another forced fumble by Ced as well.

Del and Cojo's comment on JA getting needing to contain more on their pass rush can be said with the rest of the d-line as well.
There were a number of times where the D-line was so deep and wide that Brees simply had to take a few steps forward and there wasn't a single lineman in his view.

Props to BB for having a 100 yard game, catching a TD and drawing the PI call to clinch the game.
Wade played solid after his first drop as well.
AA not so good last night.

Happy with Gus finding a way to win at the end.

kspurplepride
10-07-2008, 11:01 AM
Props to Gus for one of the toughest performances from a QB i've seen in a long time...

in regards to Kluwe, both kicks after the first touchdown were to the sidelines if i remember correctly, they just didn't make it all the way out of bounds

Sajid28
10-07-2008, 11:01 AM
"Json" wrote:


Big Win for the Vikings, regardless of how you slice it.
Offense stepped up and made some plays when they needed them.
Talk about overcoming adversity!!!
Why is everyone so gol 'darnit gloomy about how they won?
Who gives a rats jiggly butt how they won, they where up nicely at halftime gave it back to the Saints by playing piss poor on the punt returns (which by the way is Kluwes fault 100%, if the coach tells a player to KICK THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS TWICE and he fails to do so how is that anyone but Kluwes fault?
We all know Reggie is lightning and how everybody is so shocked by him doing what he did last night is beyond me. you just don't kick them the ball pretty simple pooh and for that reason I would threaten to fire his jiggly butt as well)
and still came back offensively and made some big plays.
Gus Frerrote played his heart out and he gained a little respect in my book.
Making big plays away from home and the rest of the team stepped up even with Adrian having a horse pooh game.
I loved the win and now it's on to the easier part of the schedule.


im happy about the win, but its a win that the vikings didnt deserve. it was a win that was handed to us. we could of easily had this game if the coaching/play calling was right. ill tell you this if we played the patriots today, without brady on their team, we would get our a$$ handed to us. and the reason wouldnt be cuz of talent, or pro bowlers. it would be cuz of coaching/playcalling.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 11:07 AM
"C" wrote:


I'm totally fired up about the win, Json... but I'm also trying to be a realist, it was an ugly win. Up until late in the game, our offense looked awful.

I though our D-Line did a good job, as the game went on, putting pressure on Breese. After Winfield caused that fumble, Breese was a bit shaken up... didn't play quite as good for the rest of the game.


Up until late in the game, we were ahead.
The offense wasn't scoring on every touch, but it didn't look awful either.

It is football - there are going to be ugly moments, that is part of the game.
There are also going to be spectacular moments, that is also part of the game.
To appreciate the game you have to look at both.
There are a lot of people here who only look at the ugly moments.
These are the people who blame Childress for a loss, but give him no credit for a win.
Then there are a lot of people who only look at the spectacular moments.
These are the people who credit Childress for the win, but give him no blame for a loss.

The truth is that Childress deserves some of the credit for a win and some of the blame for a loss.
Notice I said some but not all in both situations.
Wake up people.


In yesterday's game, I didn't have a problem with the playcalling.
There were a couple times when I wished we would have done something different, but all in all it worked.
It moved the ball, was reasonably effective, and put us in scoring position.
The defense played very well. They had some ugly moments, and gave up some long passes too.
But in the end they kept the offense out of the endzone for the majority of the game, and forced several turnovers at crucial times.

There was some bad yesterday, but overall there was more good.
We should be celebrating an exciting win in a very hostile stadium against the #1 passing offense.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 11:11 AM
"Sajid28" wrote:


im happy about the win, but its a win that the vikings didnt deserve. it was a win that was handed to us. we could of easily had this game if the coaching/play calling was right. ill tell you this if we played the patriots today, without brady on their team, we would get our a$$ handed to us. and the reason wouldnt be cuz of talent, or pro bowlers. it would be cuz of coaching/playcalling.


Oh bullshit.

We deserved that win.
The saints have the #1 rated passing offense, and we kept them out of the endzone for damn near the whole game.
We forced fumbles, caught INTs, and blocked FGs.
We put the ball deep when we needed to.

Our coaching and playcalling was fine last night, so get off your soap box.
I'll tell you that if we played the Pats with the same defensive ferocity that we played the Saints last night, we would beat them too.
And it would have been because of talent, probowlers, AND because of coaching/playcalling.

Mr Anderson
10-07-2008, 11:12 AM
CHILDRESS THROWS KLUWE UNDER THE BUS (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/07/childress-throws-kluwe-under-the-bus/)
After a night in which Saints running back Reggie Bush returned two punts for touchdowns in a losing effort to the Vikings, Minnesota coach Brad Childress played the “don’t blame me” game . . . by blaming his punter.



Ridiculous, and frankly, hard to believe. Kluwe is a very good punter, I can't imagine him not being able to put it out of bounds when asked. Judging by the horrible kickoff coverage all night, I wouldn't be surprised if this is all a coverup for bad decisions by the coaching staff.

Florio raises a good point.

Why would Chilly put that out in public? Why throw someone else under the bus that you don't have to other than to save your own ass?

ThorSPL
10-07-2008, 11:21 AM
I somehow actually liked that PFT article... some real truths there.

ragz
10-07-2008, 11:28 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


im happy about the win, but its a win that the vikings didnt deserve. it was a win that was handed to us. we could of easily had this game if the coaching/play calling was right. ill tell you this if we played the patriots today, without brady on their team, we would get our a$$ handed to us. and the reason wouldnt be cuz of talent, or pro bowlers. it would be cuz of coaching/playcalling.


Oh kaka del rio.

We deserved that win.
The saints have the #1 rated passing offense, and we kept them out of the endzone for gol 'darnit near the whole game.
We forced fumbles, caught INTs, and blocked FGs.
We put the ball deep when we needed to.

Our coaching and playcalling was fine last night, so get off your soap box.
I'll tell you that if we played the Pats with the same defensive ferocity that we played the Saints last night, we would beat them too.
And it would have been because of talent, probowlers, AND because of coaching/playcalling.

okay, say that was the way it is, how come pretty much any unbiased analyst or general fan that i've spoken to have done nothing but use the lucky word.
i mean its not like we did nothing obviously but we were outplayed in all 3 facets of the game.


and i do believe the defense played pretty well last night, especially in that 3rd quarter, but we cant forget they didnt go on the field on 2 possessions in the 2nd half cuz they returned punts for tds.
where they deserve the credit most i would think when we were giving up kick returns to the 50 yard line and werent allowing them to get 7 points outta of it every time.


i dont know why there is all this bickering from thread to thread about what the game was.
we won, made a whole bunch of mistakes that we are not gona get away with more often than not.
the questions looking forward, are they or can they be fixed?
the special teams can not keep on doing what they are doing or we are gonna put the defense in bad spots consistently, if we dont flatout give up tds.
the defense cannot keep giving up the pass when we know almost all teams are not gonna run the ball, the positive with that is that turnovers are now coming, and the offense has gotta pass better if a team is gonna make sure peterson only rushes for 40 yards.
we should not have our only real scoring drive late mid 4th quarter when a team is selling out for the whole game
to stop the run.
so we know we got the w, we know it was far from pretty, but what is going wrong and how can it be fixed before we go on the road and play chicago two weeks from now?

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 11:43 AM
Hmmm. I don't necessarily agree with the "Childress throws Childress under the bus" being merged into this thread.
The two may be realted but had difference premises.
This is for post game observations and comments about the game itself. The other thread was specific to Childress's press conference and the comments he made about Kluwe, and now it is lost in a thread that most people only read one or two pages of (because of its length)...

Oh well.
Nothing that I will get my undies in a bunch over.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 11:47 AM
"ragz" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


im happy about the win, but its a win that the vikings didnt deserve. it was a win that was handed to us. we could of easily had this game if the coaching/play calling was right. ill tell you this if we played the patriots today, without brady on their team, we would get our a$$ handed to us. and the reason wouldnt be cuz of talent, or pro bowlers. it would be cuz of coaching/playcalling.


Oh kaka del rio.

We deserved that win.
The saints have the #1 rated passing offense, and we kept them out of the endzone for gol 'darnit near the whole game.
We forced fumbles, caught INTs, and blocked FGs.
We put the ball deep when we needed to.

Our coaching and playcalling was fine last night, so get off your soap box.
I'll tell you that if we played the Pats with the same defensive ferocity that we played the Saints last night, we would beat them too.
And it would have been because of talent, probowlers, AND because of coaching/playcalling.

okay, say that was the way it is, how come pretty much any unbiased analyst or general fan that i've spoken to have done nothing but use the lucky word.
i mean its not like we did nothing obviously but we were outplayed in all 3 facets of the game.


and i do believe the defense played pretty well last night, especially in that 3rd quarter, but we cant forget they didnt go on the field on 2 possessions in the 2nd half cuz they returned punts for tds.
where they deserve the credit most i would think when we were giving up kick returns to the 50 yard line and werent allowing them to get 7 points outta of it every time.


i dont know why there is all this bickering from thread to thread about what the game was.
we won, made a whole bunch of mistakes that we are not gona get away with more often than not.
the questions looking forward, are they or can they be fixed?
the special teams can not keep on doing what they are doing or we are gonna put the defense in bad spots consistently, if we dont flatout give up tds.
the defense cannot keep giving up the pass when we know almost all teams are not gonna run the ball, the positive with that is that turnovers are now coming, and the offense has gotta pass better if a team is gonna make sure peterson only rushes for 40 yards.

we should not have our only real scoring drive late mid 4th quarter when a team is selling out for the whole game
to stop the run.
so we know we got the w, we know it was far from pretty, but what is going wrong and how can it be fixed before we go on the road and play chicago two weeks from now?


And how many unbiased fans have you spoken to?
If they really think that luck was the only reason we won, then that should be proof to you that they are NOT unbiased.
For the record, you think YOU are unbiased, and you are no such thing.
Very few people are.
It is human nature to look for evidence to support your predetermined bias and ignore that which does not.
I admit my bias, and even though I make a concentrated effort to look at things objectively, I still see the cup as half full.
But at least I realize it.

We were no more lucky in the win over the Saints than we were unlucky in the loss to the Titans.
We played better than the Saints did yesterday, and we won.
End of story.

ragz
10-07-2008, 11:57 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


im happy about the win, but its a win that the vikings didnt deserve. it was a win that was handed to us. we could of easily had this game if the coaching/play calling was right. ill tell you this if we played the patriots today, without brady on their team, we would get our a$$ handed to us. and the reason wouldnt be cuz of talent, or pro bowlers. it would be cuz of coaching/playcalling.


Oh kaka del rio.

We deserved that win.
The saints have the #1 rated passing offense, and we kept them out of the endzone for gol 'darnit near the whole game.
We forced fumbles, caught INTs, and blocked FGs.
We put the ball deep when we needed to.

Our coaching and playcalling was fine last night, so get off your soap box.
I'll tell you that if we played the Pats with the same defensive ferocity that we played the Saints last night, we would beat them too.
And it would have been because of talent, probowlers, AND because of coaching/playcalling.

okay, say that was the way it is, how come pretty much any unbiased analyst or general fan that i've spoken to have done nothing but use the lucky word. i mean its not like we did nothing obviously but we were outplayed in all 3 facets of the game.


and i do believe the defense played pretty well last night, especially in that 3rd quarter, but we cant forget they didnt go on the field on 2 possessions in the 2nd half cuz they returned punts for tds.
where they deserve the credit most i would think when we were giving up kick returns to the 50 yard line and werent allowing them to get 7 points outta of it every time.


i dont know why there is all this bickering from thread to thread about what the game was.
we won, made a whole bunch of mistakes that we are not gona get away with more often than not.
the questions looking forward, are they or can they be fixed?
the special teams can not keep on doing what they are doing or we are gonna put the defense in bad spots consistently, if we dont flatout give up tds.
the defense cannot keep giving up the pass when we know almost all teams are not gonna run the ball, the positive with that is that turnovers are now coming, and the offense has gotta pass better if a team is gonna make sure peterson only rushes for 40 yards.
we should not have our only real scoring drive late mid 4th quarter when a team is selling out for the whole game
to stop the run.
so we know we got the w, we know it was far from pretty, but what is going wrong and how can it be fixed before we go on the road and play chicago two weeks from now?


And how many unbiased fans have you spoken to?
If they really think that luck was the only reason we won, then that should be proof to you that they are NOT unbiased.
For the record, you think YOU are unbiased, and you are no such thing.
Very few people are.
It is human nature to look for evidence to support your predetermined bias and ignore that which does not.
I admit my bias, and even though I make a concentrated effort to look at things objectively, I still see the cup as half full.
But at least I realize it.

We were no more lucky in the win over the Saints than we were unlucky in the loss to the Titans.
We played better than the Saints did yesterday, and we won.
End of story.

okay i'll take your word for it.
can you show me statistically though how many more things we did better?
i'm just wondering, cuz i'm rooting for the vikings and i saw a whole lot of "what the f is going on" as opposed to "nice play".
dont act as if you've never watched a viking game you felt we played better and was the better team but we lost.
theres nothing wrong with admitting that, you dont have to dilute yourself into saying we played a good game and didnt get a ton of help from the opposing team.
it is what it is, just like all ive been hearing from a ton of people on ppo, a win is a win.
you dont say that after a game you played well in and just flat out won.
but i dont care about your half glass full thinking, what i say still holds true.
we play like that and we are not gonna win many if any.
i know that is such off the wall thinking, and totally illogical but i think i'm gonna stick with it.

triedandtruevikesfan
10-07-2008, 12:01 PM
We deserved that win, absolutely.

Just like Jaws kept saying, there is more than 1 way to win a game.
The Saints have a great offense, and I was seriously worried about how our D would respond to them.
They moved the ball very effectively, but come on... they would have done it even if we had the number one pass D in the league.
You can't stop every pass play.
We took advantage of every opportunity that they gave us.
We didn't squander chances, which I think is very important.


I don't even think it was really an ugly win... we played to win... just not in the way fans generally think that a game should be won.

BBQ Platypus
10-07-2008, 12:11 PM
We won this game because of mistakes by the other team and a few big plays in the fourth quarter.
Our offense for the most part sucked for three quarters straight with the exception of one long drive.
We couldn't get our running game going against the 27th-ranked defense in the league.
Our kick/punt coverage was even worse than usual last night.

As is the case with all games, this one was decided by a few big plays.
We finally connected on some long hookups late in the game (imagine that), and Antoine Winfield made up for our lack of offense in the first half.

Did we deserve this win?
Sure - more than the Saints, anyway.
Unlike them, we didn't turn the ball over four times or miss the go-ahead field goal.
Was this indicative of good coaching and playcalling?
Hell no.
Anyone who thinks that the way we won was all a part of Childress's plan needs to put down the purple Kool-Aid and face reality.

This was an unbelievably sloppy game and, while I wouldn't credit it all to luck, it would be foolish to say that we weren't VERY fortunate to get out of there with a win.
We looked sloppy, undisciplined, and we would've been outclassed if the Saints didn't have problems, too.
They made mistakes that were pretty easy to capitalize on.
Playing the way we did last night would be enough to lose the game on most occasions.
Fortunately, the same applies to the way the Saints played.

Still, the extent to which they were able to stay in the game was, quite frankly, pathetic.
We got four turnovers and we still only won by three.
I'll take the win, but geez, this one was ugly.

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 12:13 PM
"BBQ" wrote:


We won this game because of mistakes by the other team and a few big plays in the fourth quarter.
Our offense for the most part sucked for three quarters straight with the exception of one long drive.
We couldn't get our running game going against the 27th-ranked defense in the league.
Our kick/punt coverage was even worse than usual last night.

As is the case with all games, this one was decided by a few big plays.
We finally connected on some long hookups late in the game (imagine that), and Antoine Winfield made up for our lack of offense in the first half.

Did we deserve this win?
Sure - more than the Saints, anyway.
Unlike them, we didn't turn the ball over four times or miss the go-ahead field goal.
Was this indicative of good coaching and playcalling?
Hell no.
This was an unbelievably sloppy game and, while I wouldn't credit it all to luck, it would be foolish to say that we weren't VERY fortunate to get out of there with a win.
We looked sloppy, undisciplined, and we would've been outclassed if the Saints didn't have problems, too.
They made mistakes that were pretty easy to capitalize on.
Playing the way we did last night would be enough to lose the game on most occasions.
Fortunately, the same applies to the way the Saints played.

Still, the extent to which they were able to stay in the game was, quite frankly, pathetic.
We got four turnovers and we still only won by three.
I'll take the win, but geez, this one was ugly.


+1...

V4L
10-07-2008, 12:15 PM
"BBQ" wrote:


We won this game because of mistakes by the other team and a few big plays in the fourth quarter.
Our offense for the most part sucked for three quarters straight with the exception of one long drive.
We couldn't get our running game going against the 27th-ranked defense in the league.
Our kick/punt coverage was even worse than usual last night.

As is the case with all games, this one was decided by a few big plays.
We finally connected on some long hookups late in the game (imagine that), and Antoine Winfield made up for our lack of offense in the first half.

Did we deserve this win?
Sure - more than the Saints, anyway.
Unlike them, we didn't turn the ball over four times or miss the go-ahead field goal.
Was this indicative of good coaching and playcalling?
Hell no.
Let me put it this way - would you say that the game went entirely according to Childress's plan?
I thought not.

This was an unbelievably sloppy game and, while I wouldn't credit it all to luck, it would be foolish to say that we weren't VERY fortunate to get out of there with a win.
We looked sloppy, undisciplined, and we would've been outclassed if the Saints didn't have problems, too.
They made mistakes that were pretty easy to capitalize on.
Playing the way we did last night would be enough to lose the game on most occasions.
Fortunately, the same applies to the way the Saints played.

Still, the extent to which they were able to stay in the game was, quite frankly, pathetic.
We got four turnovers and we still only won by three.
I'll take the win, but geez, this one was ugly.



Without the field position and returns they got it wouldn't have been so close

I know we will work on this ALOT this week

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 12:15 PM
"ragz" wrote:


okay i'll take your word for it.
can you show me statistically though how many more things we did better?
i'm just wondering, cuz i'm rooting for the vikings and i saw a whole lot of "what the f is going on" as opposed to "nice play".
dont act as if you've never watched a viking game you felt we played better and was the better team but we lost.
theres nothing wrong with admitting that, you dont have to dilute yourself into saying we played a good game and didnt get a ton of help from the opposing team.
it is what it is, just like all ive been hearing from a ton of people on ppo, a win is a win.
you dont say that after a game you played well in and just flat out won.
but i dont care about your half glass full thinking, what i say still holds true.
we play like that and we are not gonna win many if any.
i know that is such off the wall thinking, and totally illogical but i think i'm gonna stick with it.



Show you statistically?
Absolutely.

Total Turnovers:
Vikings - 0
Saints - 4

Penalties/Yards:
Vikings - 7-60
Saints - 11/102

Offensive TDs:
Vikings - 2
Saints - 1

Field Goals:
Vikings - 3/3
Saints - 2/4

Points
Vikings - 30
Saints - 27

There are several areas in which we outplayed the Saints.
Our defense out played theirs.
Our offense did not commit as many turnovers as theirs.

Did you seriously not see any nice plays?
We drove 72 yards in 3:20 at the end of the second, kicking a FG and going up by 10.
That included a 19 yard pass to Wade and a 13 yard pass to Allison.
We had a 33 yard TD pass in the 4th.
We blocked a FG for a TD.
We ran a trick play for a TD.

Obviously we had some mistakes too - especially on special teams.
And I was as frustrated about the three and outs as everyone else was.
But not frustrated to the point that I ignore all the good.

BBQ Platypus
10-07-2008, 12:19 PM
I'm not ignoring the good - I'm just giving credit where credit is due.
And NOWHERE else.

phillyviking
10-07-2008, 12:20 PM
I agree that we deserved the win. I mean, come on. Who else thought Brees would be torching our secondary all night with zooming touchdown strikes? Yeah, there were some miscues, particularly in the punting game, but in the end that was a GREAT win for us in a hostile environment.

I maintain that Peterson needs more carries. Even if they're stacking 8, 9 guys in the box and keying on Peterson you need to keep pounding with him because it keeps the defense honest throughout the game. Plus, you just never know when he's going to break away from those 8, 9 guys and suddenly be on a clear path to the end zone.

The playcalling last night wasn't as horrifying as it's been in the past. A couple drops by receivers make it look worse than it is. I LOVE the halfback pass in the red zone. The lack of urgency before the half was puzzling, but at least they took two shots to the end zone so it wasn't like they were playing for the field goal as the announcers suggested. The Saints on the other hand made that mistake at the end of the game. The announcers didn't say anything but the Saints really paid for suddenly going vanilla at that point.

V4L
10-07-2008, 12:20 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


okay i'll take your word for it.
can you show me statistically though how many more things we did better?
i'm just wondering, cuz i'm rooting for the vikings and i saw a whole lot of "what the f is going on" as opposed to "nice play".
dont act as if you've never watched a viking game you felt we played better and was the better team but we lost.
theres nothing wrong with admitting that, you dont have to dilute yourself into saying we played a good game and didnt get a ton of help from the opposing team.
it is what it is, just like all ive been hearing from a ton of people on ppo, a win is a win.
you dont say that after a game you played well in and just flat out won.
but i dont care about your half glass full thinking, what i say still holds true.
we play like that and we are not gonna win many if any.
i know that is such off the wall thinking, and totally illogical but i think i'm gonna stick with it.



Show you statistically?
Absolutely.

Total Turnovers:
Vikings - 0
Saints - 4

Penalties/Yards:
Vikings - 7-60
Saints - 11/102

Offensive TDs:
Vikings - 2
Saints - 1

Field Goals:
Vikings - 3/3
Saints - 2/4

Points
Vikings - 30
Saints - 27

There are several areas in which we outplayed the Saints.
Our defense out played theirs.
Our offense did not commit as many turnovers as theirs.

Did you seriously not see any nice plays?
We drove 72 yards in 3:20 at the end of the second, kicking a FG and going up by 10.
That included a 19 yard pass to Wade and a 13 yard pass to Allison.
We had a 33 yard TD pass in the 4th.
We blocked a FG for a TD.
We ran a trick play for a TD.

Obviously we had some mistakes too - especially on special teams.
And I was as frustrated about the three and outs as everyone else was.
But not frustrated to the point that I ignore all the good.



Exactly

+1

Wasn't the prettiest win.. But still a win and we still played good.. Minus the lack of rushing and the special teams

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 12:21 PM
"C" wrote:


"BBQ" wrote:


We won this game because of mistakes by the other team and a few big plays in the fourth quarter.
Our offense for the most part sucked for three quarters straight with the exception of one long drive.
We couldn't get our running game going against the 27th-ranked defense in the league.
Our kick/punt coverage was even worse than usual last night.

As is the case with all games, this one was decided by a few big plays.
We finally connected on some long hookups late in the game (imagine that), and Antoine Winfield made up for our lack of offense in the first half.

Did we deserve this win?
Sure - more than the Saints, anyway.
Unlike them, we didn't turn the ball over four times or miss the go-ahead field goal.
Was this indicative of good coaching and playcalling?
Hell no.
This was an unbelievably sloppy game and, while I wouldn't credit it all to luck, it would be foolish to say that we weren't VERY fortunate to get out of there with a win.
We looked sloppy, undisciplined, and we would've been outclassed if the Saints didn't have problems, too.
They made mistakes that were pretty easy to capitalize on.
Playing the way we did last night would be enough to lose the game on most occasions.
Fortunately, the same applies to the way the Saints played.

Still, the extent to which they were able to stay in the game was, quite frankly, pathetic.
We got four turnovers and we still only won by three.
I'll take the win, but geez, this one was ugly.


+1...


-1...

We hold the #1 ranked passing offense to 13 points, and yet we were still "lucky" to win.

Luck didn't block the FG.
Luck didn't sack Brees.
Luck didn't put the ball in the endzone for either one of our TDs.

Of course there is some luck aspect to the game.
There is in every game.
But luck alone will not win a ball game for you.
I would say that the Saints were as lucky as we were with the punt returns (or is it only luck when we do something good?).
We were up against arguably the best offensive opponent we have faced all season, and our defense held.
At the same time, our offense put enough points on the board to win.

Christ, some of you act like everything we did on the field was shit.
It wasn't.
There are definately some things we need to work on.
Hell, had special teams not given up 14 quick points or amazing field position every kickoff, this game could have been a blow out.
Give the team, and coach, some well deserved credit.
Give them blame where deserved as well.
But highlight both the good AND the bad.

Luck my ass.

COJOMAY
10-07-2008, 12:26 PM
"C" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!


Ahhhh.... what did Brad do?
Winfield seems to be the spark plug.

Chilly was the anemic offense in the first 3 quarters




chilly didnt do anything besides make it harder for us to come out with the W. I heard plenty of times Jaws, Mike Tirico and Tony K saying I really question the playcalling. This guy does not know how to run this offense.


Not to mention he put Chester Taylor in to return a kick yesterday, too... idiot.


Where you been? Taylor has been returning a lot of kicks. Eight to be exact for a total of 205 yards which puts him 7th in the NFC.

Prophet
10-07-2008, 12:31 PM
That was a sloppy game and nerve racking.
Even with a W I don't get the impression that things are coming together.
I sure hope the team starts getting their act together and has some semblance of consistency rather than random acts of peewee football coming together to somehow pull off a W.
My eyes are bleeding and all I see is a W.
At his juncture of the season the Saints and Vikings have the same record, but the Saints are eons ahead of the Vikings in their function as a team.

ragz
10-07-2008, 12:32 PM
"C" wrote:


"BBQ" wrote:


We won this game because of mistakes by the other team and a few big plays in the fourth quarter.
Our offense for the most part sucked for three quarters straight with the exception of one long drive.
We couldn't get our running game going against the 27th-ranked defense in the league.
Our kick/punt coverage was even worse than usual last night.

As is the case with all games, this one was decided by a few big plays.
We finally connected on some long hookups late in the game (imagine that), and Antoine Winfield made up for our lack of offense in the first half.

Did we deserve this win?
Sure - more than the Saints, anyway.
Unlike them, we didn't turn the ball over four times or miss the go-ahead field goal.
Was this indicative of good coaching and playcalling?
Hell no.
This was an unbelievably sloppy game and, while I wouldn't credit it all to luck, it would be foolish to say that we weren't VERY fortunate to get out of there with a win.
We looked sloppy, undisciplined, and we would've been outclassed if the Saints didn't have problems, too.
They made mistakes that were pretty easy to capitalize on.
Playing the way we did last night would be enough to lose the game on most occasions.
Fortunately, the same applies to the way the Saints played.

Still, the extent to which they were able to stay in the game was, quite frankly, pathetic.
We got four turnovers and we still only won by three.
I'll take the win, but geez, this one was ugly.


+1...

this post is just dead on. if you dont wanna call it luck, call it fortunate but calling it all these other things is just stretching it to make ourselves feel like this wasnt a pretty poor peformance.

as for your stellar stats nodak, alot of that can be just as attributable to the saints sloppy play.
i didnt say we didnt do anything right, i said we did alot more things wrong.

if we missed field goals would you be saying the saints did a great job against us.


if we had 11 pentalities would you be saying the saints were the cause or would you be pointing the finger at us and the coaching?


if our wr drops a pass in his chest which allows leber to make a nice diving catch, by the way on our five yard line, would you really give all the credit to the vikes?
would you really give us the credit for getting a fumble recovery becuz of a missed face mask call.

did we really hold the saints offense to 13 points or did they not have to do as much cuz our special teams was giving up tds that the offense didnt have to go and get?



i mean you can split hairs all you want, and we can keep on going to discredit these supposed positive things but i watched the game, as did alot of people and the saints where fumbling snaps, snapping balls early, killing themselves on defense with penalties.

so becuz we didnt make the idiotic mistakes the saints did that really makes us deserving?
even though the comparisons in offense, defense, and special teams was one sided.
enough already, how can we word it in a way that will make the diluted feel better.
ummmm, okay we caught "some" breaks.

BBQ Platypus
10-07-2008, 12:33 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


*snip*


Way to not pay attention to my post.
I said we got more big plays and made fewer mistakes.
Our defense held because it took advantage of miscues.
The Saints offense was more than capable of moving the ball against us, but that doesn't matter because of the points.

I credit the TEAM and our talent on defense (and offense) for the win.
I do NOT credit Childress for it because I don't think he deserves that credit.
Did Childress plan on Gramatica missing the go-ahead field goal?
Did he plan on Berrian running into Allison but still making the catch?
Did he plan on a low kick getting blocked and getting our team enough momentum to continue to scrape by?
Did he plan on the fumble recovery that that all but touchdown FOR our offense?
Take away that four-yard drive set up by Winfield, and our offense scored ONE touchdown.
Winfield and Co. really bailed us out in that regard.

We were not consistent.
We did not run the ball well.
You cannot expect me to believe that we will make the playoffs playing like that every week.
Our defense won't always get us four turnovers (and turnovers were indeed the difference maker).

The good things you've said still apply to some extent.
The playcalling finally opened up late in the game (though perhaps the injury to the corner who was covering BB had something to do with those catches - maybe it wasn't the MAIN difference maker, or even a difference-maker at all, I'm just saying).
We did indeed keep the Saints offense from scoring (though the Saints offense helped us out a bit in that regard).
But I cannot in good conscience look at that win through rose-tinted glasses.
It is precisely BECAUSE I love this team so much that I demand more from them.
Even after a win.

bleedpurple
10-07-2008, 12:43 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


That was a sloppy game and nerve racking.
Even with a W I don't get the impression that things are coming together.
I sure hope the team starts getting their act together and has some semblance of consistency rather than random acts of peewee football coming together to somehow pull off a W.
My eyes are bleeding and all I see is a W.
At his juncture of the season the Saints and Vikings have the same record, but the Saints are eons ahead of the Vikings in their function as a team.


+1..

it's not so much about the sloppy play, us getting lucky, etc. etc. it's overall, yes, we got a win, but look at how we won... we did a lot of good things tonight, esp on defense with all the blitzing..however, you don't get the impression that things are coming together, we are getting better every week, or that if we played like that, we'd be hard to beat.. those are thing you look for in a win esp. at this point in the season.. maybe after the first one or two games, but at this point, we should be starting to put things together. and so far we haven't!!...

at any rate, i said this at the beginning of the year, after the start to the schedule we've had, if we were at 2-3 at this point, we're in good shape as our schedule get easier from here on.... GB looks like they may be in trouble and so far chicago looks like the best team in the division... so we'll see!!.. but by all appearances, we're right back in it...

Suick
10-07-2008, 12:45 PM
I am growing more and more disappointed in the running game. Is AD having a sophmore slump or is the O-line that bad?

They can't be keying on the run that much when we finally have a pseudo-passing attack

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 12:53 PM
"Suick" wrote:


I am growing more and more disappointed in the running game. Is AD having a sophmore slump or is the O-line that bad?

They can't be keying on the run that much when we finally have a pseudo-passing attack


I watch the game again and the running plays are very unimaginative.
They never seem to pull linemen, create counters, they just bull rush.

Also, Tahi is not getting the job done.
When he hits the hole, he's stood up, blocking the hole causing AD to slow down.
Tahi is not a Richardson.... Why did we let Richardson leave????

But that said, the other team is still sticking 8 men in the box, their corners are playing up, just to be able to stop the rush.
Gus did make them pay a little, and is getting better each game.

I imagine that opponents will start to create a more balance defense as the Vikes passing game improves.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 01:05 PM
"BBQ" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


*snip*


Way to not pay attention to my post.
I said we got more big plays and made fewer mistakes.
Our defense held because it took advantage of miscues.
The Saints offense was more than capable of moving the ball against us, but that doesn't matter because of the points.

I credit the TEAM and our talent on defense (and offense) for the win.
I do NOT credit Childress for it because I don't think he deserves that credit.
Did Childress plan on Gramatica missing the go-ahead field goal?
Did he plan on Berrian running into Allison but still making the catch?
Did he plan on a low kick getting blocked and getting our team enough momentum to continue to scrape by?
Did he plan on the fumble recovery that that all but touchdown FOR our offense?
Take away that four-yard drive set up by Winfield, and our offense scored ONE touchdown.
Winfield and Co. really bailed us out in that regard.

We were not consistent.
We did not run the ball well.
You cannot expect me to believe that we will make the playoffs playing like that every week.
Our defense won't always get us four turnovers (and turnovers were indeed the difference maker).

The good things you've said still apply to some extent.
The playcalling finally opened up late in the game (though perhaps the injury to the corner who was covering BB had something to do with those catches - maybe it wasn't the MAIN difference maker, or even a difference-maker at all, I'm just saying).
We did indeed keep the Saints offense from scoring (though the Saints offense helped us out a bit in that regard).
But I cannot in good conscience look at that win through rose-tinted glasses.
It is precisely BECAUSE I love this team so much that I demand more from them.
Even after a win.


I did indeed pay attention to your post.
My response was more to C Mac than you, which is why I quoted him... It happened that he was pulling out a specific part of your overall post and using it as the summary of your entire post, and it was to that which I disagreed.


To be honest I agree with a lot of what you say.
My issues in this thread is people are not looking at the good, and claiming that we were "lucky" to have won, or saying that we "didn't deserve the win".

Luck goes both ways, and the Saints had some of their own.
When we block a FG, it is luck or a low kick, not because we did anything right.
When our offense capitalized on a great defensive turnover, the defense gets props, but obviously our offense still sucks.
(Even though I remember being in the red zone against the Colts and FAILING to get a TD, and losing the game...)
Yet when they run back two punts that were supposed to be out of bounds, it is because we suck.

This isn't directed at you, more at the general conversation in this thread.
Your last paragraph shows that you are not solely consumed by the negatives as are some of the people in this thread.

ragz
10-07-2008, 01:08 PM
"BBQ" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


*snip*


Way to not pay attention to my post.
I said we got more big plays and made fewer mistakes.
Our defense held because it took advantage of miscues.
The Saints offense was more than capable of moving the ball against us, but that doesn't matter because of the points.

I credit the TEAM and our talent on defense (and offense) for the win.
I do NOT credit Childress for it because I don't think he deserves that credit.
Did Childress plan on Gramatica missing the go-ahead field goal?
Did he plan on Berrian running into Allison but still making the catch?
Did he plan on a low kick getting blocked and getting our team enough momentum to continue to scrape by?
Did he plan on the fumble recovery that that all but touchdown FOR our offense?
Take away that four-yard drive set up by Winfield, and our offense scored ONE touchdown.
Winfield and Co. really bailed us out in that regard.

We were not consistent.
We did not run the ball well.
You cannot expect me to believe that we will make the playoffs playing like that every week.
Our defense won't always get us four turnovers (and turnovers were indeed the difference maker).

The good things you've said still apply to some extent.
The playcalling finally opened up late in the game (though perhaps the injury to the corner who was covering BB had something to do with those catches - maybe it wasn't the MAIN difference maker, or even a difference-maker at all, I'm just saying).
We did indeed keep the Saints offense from scoring (though the Saints offense helped us out a bit in that regard).
But I cannot in good conscience look at that win through rose-tinted glasses.
It is precisely BECAUSE I love this team so much that I demand more from them.
Even after a win.

well you have to be realistic enough to see that ferrotte was 4-4 for 85 yard on our game tying td drive with 2 3rd down conversions.
now thats awesome, he got the job done.
but can we honestly forget taht befoer that he was 15-32 for probably about 130 yds and our team was 3-13 on 3rd downs as a team.
i think its kinda crap to say the offense played good.
that one drive salvaged what was about to be a dispicable day.
now we cant ignore the drive cuz it was huge and clutch, but if we are gonna be 15-32 in the 4th quarter on the road and need 4-4 drives for 85 yards thats probably leading to plenty of losses.
you can celebrate the good but the formula for how we did it is not exactly ideal.

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 01:10 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Since we blame Chilly for everything, good job Brad!


Ahhhh.... what did Brad do?
Winfield seems to be the spark plug.

Chilly was the anemic offense in the first 3 quarters




chilly didnt do anything besides make it harder for us to come out with the W. I heard plenty of times Jaws, Mike Tirico and Tony K saying I really question the playcalling. This guy does not know how to run this offense.


Not to mention he put Chester Taylor in to return a kick yesterday, too... idiot.


Where you been? Taylor has been returning a lot of kicks. Eight to be exact for a total of 205 yards which puts him 7th in the NFC.

Where have you been? Childress even mentioned this earlier in the week that Hicks would be the Kick return man... we've all seen Taylor in there throughout the year, which is why Childress said he was going with Hicks.

Taylor is a bruising running back... a total misuse of his skill set.

By the way, 7th in the NFC? Are you saying that like it's a good stat? What's he ranked int he NFL overall? Answer: 19th... hardly worth bragging over.

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 01:13 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"BBQ" wrote:


We won this game because of mistakes by the other team and a few big plays in the fourth quarter.
Our offense for the most part sucked for three quarters straight with the exception of one long drive.
We couldn't get our running game going against the 27th-ranked defense in the league.
Our kick/punt coverage was even worse than usual last night.

As is the case with all games, this one was decided by a few big plays.
We finally connected on some long hookups late in the game (imagine that), and Antoine Winfield made up for our lack of offense in the first half.

Did we deserve this win?
Sure - more than the Saints, anyway.
Unlike them, we didn't turn the ball over four times or miss the go-ahead field goal.
Was this indicative of good coaching and playcalling?
Hell no.
This was an unbelievably sloppy game and, while I wouldn't credit it all to luck, it would be foolish to say that we weren't VERY fortunate to get out of there with a win.
We looked sloppy, undisciplined, and we would've been outclassed if the Saints didn't have problems, too.
They made mistakes that were pretty easy to capitalize on.
Playing the way we did last night would be enough to lose the game on most occasions.
Fortunately, the same applies to the way the Saints played.

Still, the extent to which they were able to stay in the game was, quite frankly, pathetic.
We got four turnovers and we still only won by three.
I'll take the win, but geez, this one was ugly.


+1...


-1...

We hold the #1 ranked passing offense to 13 points, and yet we were still "lucky" to win.

Luck didn't block the FG.
Luck didn't sack Brees.
Luck didn't put the ball in the endzone for either one of our TDs.

Of course there is some luck aspect to the game.
There is in every game.
But luck alone will not win a ball game for you.
I would say that the Saints were as lucky as we were with the punt returns (or is it only luck when we do something good?).
We were up against arguably the best offensive opponent we have faced all season, and our defense held.
At the same time, our offense put enough points on the board to win.

Christ, some of you act like everything we did on the field was shit.
It wasn't.
There are definately some things we need to work on.
Hell, had special teams not given up 14 quick points or amazing field position every kickoff, this game could have been a blow out.
Give the team, and coach, some well deserved credit.
Give them blame where deserved as well.
But highlight both the good AND the bad.

Luck my ass.


Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.

Zeus
10-07-2008, 01:15 PM
"C" wrote:


Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fucking idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.

=Z=

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 01:15 PM
"ragz" wrote:


well you have to be realistic enough to see that ferrotte was 4-4 for 85 yard on our game tying td drive with 2 3rd down conversions.
now thats awesome, he got the job done.
but can we honestly forget taht befoer that he was 15-32 for probably about 130 yds and our team was 3-13 on 3rd downs as a team.
i think its kinda crap to say the offense played good.
that one drive salvaged what was about to be a dispicable day.
now we cant ignore the drive cuz it was huge and clutch, but if we are gonna be 15-32 in the 4th quarter on the road and need 4-4 drives for 85 yards thats probably leading to plenty of losses.
you can celebrate the good but the formula for how we did it is not exactly ideal.



AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! ALLELUIA! ;D

Now we are on the same page.
It is crap to say that the offense played well.
Our third down conversion percentage sucked.
We couldn't generate any running game against a shitty run defense, and that is not going to cut it against better D's.
It is also crap to say that the offense played poorly. Despite the third down percentages and the poor running game, we made the critical plays when they counted.
That is the biggest problem I have in looking at stats by them selves.
Without the context that surrounds them they are just numbers.
I would rather go 5 for 15 on third downs and put up 30 points, than go 7 for 15 and only put up 27.

Our offense was very mediocre.
At the beginning of the season is was poor.
Since mediocre > poor, it leads me to believe that we are improving.
Now we need to build off from the win and continue to improve.

Zeus
10-07-2008, 01:17 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


Our offense was very mediocre.
At the beginning of the season is was poor.
Since mediocre > poor, it leads me to believe that we are improving.
Now we need to build off from the win and continue to improve.


Nothing like a visit from Mr. Rod's Band of Losers to keep the ball rolling in the right direction.

=Z=

jessejames09
10-07-2008, 01:18 PM
- Holy shit we finally have a vertical game.
Berrian - 100+ yds, 1 TD, game winning PI.
- Winfield shows his greatness, on national TV. He'll be going to Hawaii for the first time.
- Can't wait for the return or Madieu.
- Our special teams have sucked for waaay too long.
- Shank might end up being a decent receiver after all. (for another 5 days anyways)

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 01:20 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fucking idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.

=Z=


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.

Sajid28
10-07-2008, 01:21 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


im happy about the win, but its a win that the vikings didnt deserve. it was a win that was handed to us. we could of easily had this game if the coaching/play calling was right. ill tell you this if we played the patriots today, without brady on their team, we would get our a$$ handed to us. and the reason wouldnt be cuz of talent, or pro bowlers. it would be cuz of coaching/playcalling.


Oh kaka del rio.

We deserved that win.
The saints have the #1 rated passing offense, and we kept them out of the endzone for gol 'darnit near the whole game.
We forced fumbles, caught INTs, and blocked FGs.
We put the ball deep when we needed to.

Our coaching and playcalling was fine last night, so get off your soap box.
I'll tell you that if we played the Pats with the same defensive ferocity that we played the Saints last night, we would beat them too.
And it would have been because of talent, probowlers, AND because of coaching/playcalling.


oh kaka mike tice.

i dont know what game you were watching. mike tirico, tony korn, and jaws were saying "wow i really question their play calling", "how do you only play for a field goal ending the half?" it was clear that your homeboy chilly was taking plays out of tice's playbook that never worked. our defense did play good. but they still gave up nearly 400 total yards. which seems to be a norm with this defense. if gramatica nailed that FG id luv to see how pissed off and how much bit*hing you would be doing.

also, if we did play the pats, matt cassell would look like tom brady, AP would perform the same way he did last night. not cuz of less talent, its cuz of a silly guy of a HC.

hope you are able to grasp this mike tice.

Zeus
10-07-2008, 01:22 PM
"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fucking idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a fuck what that fucking Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=

ragz
10-07-2008, 01:27 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


well you have to be realistic enough to see that ferrotte was 4-4 for 85 yard on our game tying td drive with 2 3rd down conversions.
now thats awesome, he got the job done.
but can we honestly forget taht befoer that he was 15-32 for probably about 130 yds and our team was 3-13 on 3rd downs as a team.
i think its kinda crap to say the offense played good.
that one drive salvaged what was about to be a dispicable day.
now we cant ignore the drive cuz it was huge and clutch, but if we are gonna be 15-32 in the 4th quarter on the road and need 4-4 drives for 85 yards thats probably leading to plenty of losses.
you can celebrate the good but the formula for how we did it is not exactly ideal.



AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! ALLELUIA! ;D

Now we are on the same page.
It is crap to say that the offense played well.
Our third down conversion percentage sucked.
We couldn't generate any running game against a poohie run defense, and that is not going to cut it against better D's.
It is also crap to say that the offense played poorly. Despite the third down percentages and the poor running game, we made the critical plays when they counted.
That is the biggest problem I have in looking at stats by them selves.
Without the context that surrounds them they are just numbers.
I would rather go 5 for 15 on third downs and put up 30 points, than go 7 for 15 and only put up 27.

Our offense was very mediocre.
At the beginning of the season is was poor.
Since mediocre > poor, it leads me to believe that we are improving.
Now we need to build off from the win and continue to improve.

sorry, no truth has set me free.
putting one big drive together over the course of a 4 quarter game does not even come close to a mediocre performance.
we rushed for 40 yards which you want to just keep ignoring, as if its a good thing, or not important.
our pass game literally consisted of the one big drive.
i mean its nice that we had a drive but i'm pretty sure i see nfl teams doing that every week several times over the course of
a quarter let alone a whole game.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
the offense is getting way too much credit.
everyone knows they made the plays when they had to there and it helped us win the game when they did very little the rest of teh game to do so. but we all know we are not gona survive the rest of the season taht way.
is it that hard to say we have to get much better?

BloodyHorns82
10-07-2008, 01:29 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fucking idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a fuck what that fucking Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


What does his religious orientation have to do with football?

Zeus
10-07-2008, 01:32 PM
"ragz" wrote:


sorry, no truth has set me free.
putting one big drive together over the course of a 4 quarter game does not even come close to a mediocre performance.
we rushed for 40 yards which you want to just keep ignoring, as if its a good thing, or not important.
our pass game literally consisted of the one big drive.
i mean its nice that we had a drive but i'm pretty sure i see nfl teams doing that every week several times over the course of
a quarter let alone a whole game.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
the offense is getting way too much credit.
everyone knows they made the plays when they had to there and it helped us win the game when they did very little the rest of teh game to do so. but we all know we are not gona survive the rest of the season taht way.
is it that hard to say we have to get much better?



5 games against opponents who are:
2-3, 2-2, 4-1, 5-0 and 2-3.
The Vikings haven't played against a truly crappy team yet (helllllllllllooooo, Detroit!)


And they have come out of that schedule at 2-3 with 2 very winnable games coming up before the BYE.

I'm sorry that the team is not performing to your particular level of satisfaction.
Have they ever?


Here's the issue that I have with dudes like you - you're never happy.
It's the day after a big fucking win and all you want to do is bitch and complain.
Couldn't you take a day off from the whine tour and celebrate a huge Monday Night victory?

=Z=

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 01:33 PM
"ragz" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


well you have to be realistic enough to see that ferrotte was 4-4 for 85 yard on our game tying td drive with 2 3rd down conversions.
now thats awesome, he got the job done.
but can we honestly forget taht befoer that he was 15-32 for probably about 130 yds and our team was 3-13 on 3rd downs as a team.
i think its kinda crap to say the offense played good.
that one drive salvaged what was about to be a dispicable day.
now we cant ignore the drive cuz it was huge and clutch, but if we are gonna be 15-32 in the 4th quarter on the road and need 4-4 drives for 85 yards thats probably leading to plenty of losses.
you can celebrate the good but the formula for how we did it is not exactly ideal.



AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! ALLELUIA! ;D

Now we are on the same page.
It is crap to say that the offense played well.
Our third down conversion percentage sucked.
We couldn't generate any running game against a poohie run defense, and that is not going to cut it against better D's.
It is also crap to say that the offense played poorly. Despite the third down percentages and the poor running game, we made the critical plays when they counted.
That is the biggest problem I have in looking at stats by them selves.
Without the context that surrounds them they are just numbers.
I would rather go 5 for 15 on third downs and put up 30 points, than go 7 for 15 and only put up 27.

Our offense was very mediocre.
At the beginning of the season is was poor.
Since mediocre > poor, it leads me to believe that we are improving.
Now we need to build off from the win and continue to improve.

sorry, no truth has set me free.
putting one big drive together over the course of a 4 quarter game does not even come close to a mediocre performance.
we rushed for 40 yards which you want to just keep ignoring, as if its a good thing, or not important.
our pass game literally consisted of the one big drive.
i mean its nice that we had a drive but i'm pretty sure i see nfl teams doing that every week several times over the course of
a quarter let alone a whole game.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
the offense is getting way too much credit.
everyone knows they made the plays when they had to there and it helped us win the game when they did very little the rest of teh game to do so. but we all know we are not gona survive the rest of the season taht way.
is it that hard to say we have to get much better?



I doubt there's a person on this site that doesn't think the Vikes O needs to get better.
The thing is they are getting better.
Gus has 3 200+ yard games in a row, got a 81 QB rating, threw several 20+ yard passes.

The running game will get better as the opponents realize the Vikes have a passing game and they won't be playing the run.

This team is getting better every week.

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 01:38 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?

jessejames09
10-07-2008, 01:42 PM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?

Braddock
10-07-2008, 01:46 PM
OMG, someone spiked the purple kool aid today.

Let's not forget that the playcalling was atrocious. I'm glad they started using a screen play... at the end of the 3rd quarter.

Let's not forget that we had 4 freak plays (i.e. block FG right in tione's hands? Leber's INT? The no call facemask?) that we CANNOT count on every week, and that without them this game would have been a blow out. You can say a win is a win, and it's a team game, that's all true. no denying that. But this win CANNOT go to the offense. Take yourself back to right before the blocked FG... they don't have that holding call against them and it'd have been 14-0 essentially.

Berrian's TD came from a play where our WRs ran into each other!!!! an nfl team with players running into either other on their routes......

Chester's pass TD was so wobbley, it's an absolute miracle it wasn't knocked away let alone it was thrown to Shiancoe and he caught it!

Then when we needed the offense to stay on the field and drive, eat up clock after Bush's first punt return TD, they had (2) 3 and outs. Our offense and playcalling was just as atrocious. I was truely embarrassed.

Now many of you who know of my posts, should know me as an optimist (not in the live chat though. I like to act dramatic) but Chilly is not going to get us to the playoffs, and with the way refs usually call our games, we aren't going to get many breaks.

I know everyone is hyped from the W, but honestly, our team (offense, playcalling, passing d) did everything to lose this game. We just got really, REALLY lucky, for once.

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 01:47 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?


So what your saying is that any crack about religion is totally OK, because they should just suck it up?

happy camper
10-07-2008, 01:47 PM
Did Leber not make an awesome int?

Did Antione not cause a fumble on a delayed blitz?

Did Gus not throw a deep ball to Berrian whilst getting blasted by a Saints linebacker?

All above are examples of opportunities that the Vikings took.

The Vikings had two opportunities to fold. After the first TD drive of the Saints. And after both punt return for TDs. But they didn't fold. They took multiple punches to the nuts and still didn't fold.

It may have been an ugly win people but the Vikings were opportunistic last night. We actually capitalized on a few opportunities that presented themselves.

Its funny, when a team that is considered good wins ugly they dodged a bullet. But when a team with a losing record wins ugly they got lucky.

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 01:48 PM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:






Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?


So what your saying is that any crack about religion is totally OK, because they should just suck it up?




Actually... yes. Get a sense of humor.

Prophet
10-07-2008, 01:49 PM
"C" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:








Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?


So what your saying is that any crack about religion is totally OK, because they should just suck it up?




Actually... yes. Get a sense of humor.


Have you ran this by Purple Jesus?

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 01:54 PM
"C" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:








Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?


So what your saying is that any crack about religion is totally OK, because they should just suck it up?




Actually... yes. Get a sense of humor.


I'm new to this site, but from what I read Zeus was serious.
If he wasn't then he should come back and say he was kidding.

NodakPaul
10-07-2008, 01:58 PM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:










Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?


So what your saying is that any crack about religion is totally OK, because they should just suck it up?




Actually... yes. Get a sense of humor.


I'm new to this site, but from what I read Zeus was serious.
If he wasn't then he should come back and say he was kidding.


Actually, I agree with PurpleSun.
There was no need to bring in his religion.
Would we be OK with "Why cares what the freaking Jew thinks" or "Who cares what the freaking black guy thinks"?
I don't like Kornheiser for several reasons, but his religion isn't one of them.

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 01:58 PM
Irish Catholics are drunks... so he shouldn't care was Zeus says either.

jessejames09
10-07-2008, 02:00 PM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:






Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?


So what your saying is that any crack about religion is totally OK, because they should just suck it up?




There was no 'crack' there was simply the word Mormon with the word fricken in front of it. Does the word fricken imply some sort of hatred toward to Mormon community?

If it does zeus also says 'fricken idiot' somewhere in that quote. That's intelligism.

Del Rio
10-07-2008, 02:05 PM
Just to Clarify, Kornholer isnt the mormon Steve Young was who he was talking about. The Vikes played a sloppy poorly coached game imo. Individual effort and help from the refs got us over the top and I will take it and be happy for this week.

That being said the whole crew was talking out there ass. Jaws is a dumbass, and the only thing that is remotely humorous about Kornholer is he calls Jaws out all game long on his missed calls.

PurpleSun
10-07-2008, 02:07 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:








Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?


So what your saying is that any crack about religion is totally OK, because they should just suck it up?




There was no 'crack' there was simply the word Mormon with the word fricken in front of it. Does the word fricken imply some sort of hatred toward to Mormon community?

If it does zeus also says 'fricken idiot' somewhere in that quote. That's intelligism.


Huh?
Calling someone an idiot is an opinion.
Identifying someones religion is not an opinion.

ConnecticutViking
10-07-2008, 02:07 PM
Alot of the same stuff has been kicked around, so I am going to attack Chilly's play calling from a different angel.

You know the Saints are going to place 8 guys in the box and you know that the Vikes need to get the running game going in order to control the clock and the flow of the game.
So what does Chilly do?

He decides to run a Veer offense.
Two fullbacks, One tailback in the backfield, a tightend, and one wideout.
A freakin high school offense, a variation of the power I.
Instead of spreading the Saints out and letting Peterson Run wild.
He makes the decision to place 10 offensive players in the box.
This allows the Saints to commit 9 guys in the box.
WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT!
I know it wasn't the plan for the whole game, but this was his idea on how to run the ball against one of the worst run defenses in the league?

Braddock
10-07-2008, 02:42 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:












Every commentator watching that game said it was a sloppy and lucky win by the Vikings... and I agree.


No, that was just that dumbass Kornheiser all night long.
What a fricken idiot he is.

Jaworski rocks.
And he gave the Vikings good credit when it was due.


Yeah, his Reggie Bush/Drew Breese love was making me pissed...

EDIT: Also, Steve Young said after the game that the Vikings 'Backed-into' a win.


Who gives a floop what that fricken Mormon thinks?

Tennessee backed into a win in Week 4 against the Vikings, then, with all the turnovers and penalties.
Much like New Orleans last night.

=Z=


Z,
The crack on Mormons is totally out of line.
Does this site allow this?


What crack about mormons? Is 'fricken' out of line?

Did you cry when you seen Janet Jackson's nipple?


So what your saying is that any crack about religion is totally OK, because they should just suck it up?




Actually... yes. Get a sense of humor.


I'm new to this site, but from what I read Zeus was serious.
If he wasn't then he should come back and say he was kidding.


Actually, I agree with PurpleSun.
There was no need to bring in his religion.
Would we be OK with "Why cares what the freaking Jew thinks" or "Who cares what the freaking black guy thinks"?
I don't like Kornheiser for several reasons, but his religion isn't one of them.


Speaking of black guys, has anyone notices how all of Emmitt's analysis some how relate back to him and when he used to play? It's like he's hell bent to remind all of us just who he is and is afraid of being forgotten with all the awesome guys in the leagues now a days.

So no, i don't care what emmitt has to say...

C Mac D
10-07-2008, 02:49 PM
"Braddock" wrote:


Speaking of black guys, has anyone notices how all of Emmitt's analysis some how relate back to him and when he used to play? It's like he's hell bent to remind all of us just who he is and is afraid of being forgotten with all the awesome guys in the leagues now a days.

So no, i don't care what emmitt has to say...


Emmitt Smith struggles to put full (cohesive) sentences together.

I don't think he's long for the broadcasting world.

VikingMike
10-07-2008, 02:57 PM
"C" wrote:


"Braddock" wrote:


Speaking of black guys, has anyone notices how all of Emmitt's analysis some how relate back to him and when he used to play? It's like he's hell bent to remind all of us just who he is and is afraid of being forgotten with all the awesome guys in the leagues now a days.

So no, i don't care what emmitt has to say...


Emmitt Smith struggles to put full (cohesive) sentences together.

I don't think he's long for the broadcasting world.



I agree...and nice segue way, Braddock.
;D

Json
10-07-2008, 03:04 PM
Emmitt Smith struggles to put full (cohesive) sentences together.

I don't think he's long for the broadcasting world.

I agree completely.
I can't stand listening to him for that reason.

PurplePeopleEaters
10-07-2008, 03:06 PM
"Json" wrote:




Emmitt Smith struggles to put full (cohesive) sentences together.

I don't think he's long for the broadcasting world.

I agree completely.
I can't stand listening to him for that reason.



At least Shannon Sharpe and Terry Bradshaw are so dumb they're funny.

nailhead77
10-07-2008, 03:07 PM
"C" wrote:


"Braddock" wrote:


Speaking of black guys, has anyone notices how all of Emmitt's analysis some how relate back to him and when he used to play? It's like he's hell bent to remind all of us just who he is and is afraid of being forgotten with all the awesome guys in the leagues now a days.

So no, i don't care what emmitt has to say...


Emmitt Smith struggles to put full (cohesive) sentences together.

I don't think he's long for the broadcasting world.




Yeah he sucks.
he tries to argue with young sometimes and even if he's right he just cant spit it out.
He should just go back to dallas and join Irvin on his radio show,
both of them still swing from j.jones' nuts.
Fuck the cowboys past and present.

purplehelmut
10-07-2008, 03:09 PM
Defense- Grade B: Gave up 375 yards and 7 of 15 3rd down conversions and 1 of 1 4th down conversions.
Held Saints offense to 55 yards rushing but gave up 330 yards to Brees.
We must get better at defending the pass, particularly on 3rd down.
Winfield is MVP of the defense right now.
We could win with 10 other Winfields.
Maybe a delayed blitz would keep QBs from stepping up in the pocket so much- that killed us a few times.

Offense- Grade C-:
Unimaginative, predictable and plodding.
Only rushed for 44 yards on 26 attempts for a 1.7 yard average.
For a team built on running and stopping the run this will not get it done.
Blocking schemes are not freeing AD to the second level where he can do his damage.
Gus bailed us out with a pretty good game going 19 of 36 for 222- good, not great but enough- this time.
3rd down effeciency lousy at 5 of 15.
Don't need an abbacus to see that's only 33% conversion.
This must get better or the defense will wear down.
Time of possession about even, 28 to 32.
Again, unsatisfactory for this team in this type game.


Special teams- Grade D: Longwell prevents this from being an F.
Worst kick/punt coverage and execution I've ever seen on a Viking team.
Saints averaged 35 yards per attempt and we gave up 2 TDs to Bush.
Unacceptable.

Conclusion- Fortunate to win, but the win is crucial and I'll take it (anyway we can get it).
Saints helped our cause immeasurably by turning the ball over 4 times, getting a field goal blocked for a TD (fluke) and committing 11 penalties.
Defense is still susceptible to a good passing game and only Saints miscues prevented them from getting more points from it.
Run defense is very good but that only invites teams to pass against us- same as last year.
Offense has a long way to go but the passing game improved- maybe Berrian will step up now.
Red zone offense is still woeful (had to resort to a trick play to score a TD) and must improve for this team to win.
Oh, and Winfield is a BEAST.
My favorite Viking- he brings it every week.
Thanks for reading a long one.

nailhead77
10-07-2008, 03:10 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"Json" wrote:




Emmitt Smith struggles to put full (cohesive) sentences together.

I don't think he's long for the broadcasting world.

I agree completely.
I can't stand listening to him for that reason.



At least Shannon Sharpe and Terry Bradshaw are so dumb they're funny.


Bradshaw does really good on the highlights.
Sharpe gets way behind but he is pretty funny, you guys remember mushmouth from fat albert ;D
You gotta give bradshaw a little credit though.....he is pretty good.

purplehelmut
10-07-2008, 03:13 PM
Emmitt is terrible, but if, I mean, when, Steve Young says, "...at the end of the day" one more time I'm gonna shove his script down his throat.

purplepat
10-07-2008, 03:21 PM
Great post, helmut!

An ugly win is better than a pretty loss.
After leading by 10, and being given a couple of gifts from the refs, I couldn't believe that the Vikings horrible ST were going to give it all away.
Kudos to the Vikings, especially Gutty Gus, for hanging in there and snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

I thought the defense played a pretty good game as well.
After the first quarter, the Saints only had two drives that went for more than 19 net yards; one ended with Leber's sweet pick and the other with Gramatica's late missed FG.

Zero turnovers...how critical was that?
Vikes do that in Tennessee, and they probably come away with a win.
And it wasn't as if the Vikings offense was playing scared...just good execution, good coverup by Cook and a lucky replay call.

Is there any way Winfield won't be selected to the Pro Bowl this season?
I was amazed when the MNF crew said Winfield had only been targeted 18 times coming into the game and allowed only 6 completions.
That is a shutdown corner (or maybe people have been picking on Griffin...)...but those are some impressive stats.

The biggest thing is that a loss just about dooms the Vikings playoff chances.
The win keeps us just a game behind the Bears, and (more or less) tied with the Packers.
The Vikings should beat the Lions this week to get to .500 at 3-3 before heading to Chicago for a showdown with the Bears with potentially the division lead on the line.
Kluwe better learn how to get the damn punts out of bounds before then, or Hester will eat our lunch once again.
Let's not overlook the Lions, and make sure we give them the pounding they deserve.

duvaldomo
10-07-2008, 03:41 PM
gus did great. I mean they say a QB dont do to well if they have no running game, we had none at all and he lead us to a W. I just want to know who is going to be our QB next year. Gus is a beast but he is old and they are having him throw all over the field. His arm must be tired out. He is avg about 37 passes a game from the last two games.

Prophet
10-07-2008, 03:50 PM
Defense gave up 13 pts, not a bad showing.

PurplePeopleEaters
10-07-2008, 03:53 PM
"nailhead77" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"Json" wrote:




Emmitt Smith struggles to put full (cohesive) sentences together.

I don't think he's long for the broadcasting world.

I agree completely.
I can't stand listening to him for that reason.



At least Shannon Sharpe and Terry Bradshaw are so dumb they're funny.


Bradshaw does really good on the highlights.
Sharpe gets way behind but he is pretty funny, you guys remember mushmouth from fat albert ;D
You gotta give bradshaw a little credit though.....he is pretty good.


I find Sharpe absolutely hilarious. There are times I can't understand a word he's saying.

V4L
10-07-2008, 04:02 PM
We won

michaelmazid
10-07-2008, 04:19 PM
"PurpleSun" wrote:


"michaelmazid" wrote:


special team's coach need to be taken out back and shot

Antonie is the most underrated player in the nfl. WOW


Shoot only the Jekyll side which coaches the return coverage.
Praise the Hyde side that coaches the blocks FG's and kicks FG.

So I think the guy needs to get his act together


i refuse to give the coaches credit for someone jumping up and blocking a kick. lets be honest. antonie was in the right place at the right time.

Prophet
10-07-2008, 04:20 PM
"michaelmazid" wrote:


"PurpleSun" wrote:


"michaelmazid" wrote:


special team's coach need to be taken out back and shot

Antonie is the most underrated player in the nfl. WOW


Shoot only the Jekyll side which coaches the return coverage.
Praise the Hyde side that coaches the blocks FG's and kicks FG.

So I think the guy needs to get his act together


i refuse to give the coaches credit for someone jumping up and blocking a kick. lets be honest. antonie was in the right place at the right time.


You can give Ferraro credit for that.
You can also give him credit for Bush's record-tying performance.

CCthebest
10-07-2008, 04:25 PM
The D was bad. We
gave up over 300 yards passing again. Doesnt do much good to stop the run when we cant come close to a good pass rush unless we blitz. Luckily NO decided to give us some turnovers, which is what decided the game.

Our Offense is still sub par. How the highest paid Oline in the history of the game cant open up a hole for the best RB in the game, against a TERRIBLE D, is beyond me.

Childress, Bevell and the ST coach need to GO! Today. They are destroying this team. The only time we play with any spirt at all is in the 4th. No motivation at all. We need to start playing all starters on ST.

A win is a win, but we got handed this game. We did not play good enough to win, but thanks to TOs, we did. If we play the way we have been, we will loose to the Lions.

V4L
10-07-2008, 04:27 PM
Good game

El Vikingo
10-07-2008, 04:42 PM
Our offense keeps sucking as a bitch without teeth,special mention to our OLine
Our Defense win for us the game ,as usual.
Our ST,well I think it is obvious.
We can´t win a game in the last second with 4 Turnovers of our rivals.
Gus keeps doing what TJack was expected to.

Most important here ,the hard schedule is gone and we are alive and kicking with 2-3.Next week we have the Lions at home and
Bores and Puckers play tough games at Atlanta and Seattle.But we defenitively have to step up our crapy Off.



PS:The refs were just perfect


PS 2:michelmazid ,where did you get from that sig?

ultravikingfan
10-07-2008, 04:55 PM
"El" wrote:


PS 2:michelmazid ,where did you get from that sig?


It's him at the tender age of 5.

grpape
10-07-2008, 05:09 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


sorry, no truth has set me free.
putting one big drive together over the course of a 4 quarter game does not even come close to a mediocre performance.
we rushed for 40 yards which you want to just keep ignoring, as if its a good thing, or not important.
our pass game literally consisted of the one big drive.
i mean its nice that we had a drive but i'm pretty sure i see nfl teams doing that every week several times over the course of
a quarter let alone a whole game.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
the offense is getting way too much credit.
everyone knows they made the plays when they had to there and it helped us win the game when they did very little the rest of teh game to do so. but we all know we are not gona survive the rest of the season taht way.
is it that hard to say we have to get much better?



5 games against opponents who are:
2-3, 2-2, 4-1, 5-0 and 2-3.
The Vikings haven't played against a truly crappy team yet (helllllllllllooooo, Detroit!)


And they have come out of that schedule at 2-3 with 2 very winnable games coming up before the BYE.

I'm sorry that the team is not performing to your particular level of satisfaction.
Have they ever?


Here's the issue that I have with dudes like you - you're never happy.
It's the day after a big fricken win and all you want to do is beeyatch and complain.
Couldn't you take a day off from the whine tour and celebrate a huge Monday Night victory?

=Z=

Exactly! I hate it when people can't just enjoy the win for what it is. A win! At least bask in the sunshine for a couple of days before bringing back all the gloom and doom. How do people survive every day life with such an attitude? I feel sorry for those who choose to "always" see life in this manner.

MaxVike
10-07-2008, 05:42 PM
Defense:
I thought the defense played a very good game.
Yes, the Saints had 320 yards passing...they are #1 in the NFL with a 325.8 yard/game average...we actually held them below their average, albeit nominally.
Given the field position they had to deal with because of shitty Special Teams play and the fact that Brees was the best QB in the League through the first quarter of the Season, they played great.
Thought they looked fast, athletic, and purposeful.
Special recognition to Antoine Winfield, Kevin Williams, Ben Leber, Tyrell Johnson, and Chad Greenway...great game fellas!

Offense:
Very concerned that we couldn't get any running game going.
Gus played a decent game...MNF, on the road, he made some good throws, and DID NOT THROW A PICK.
Berrian appears to be coming out, which is mucho needed.
Wade dropped a pass, so did AD.
Playcalling was predictable, for the most part.
Thought, for the most part, pass protection was pretty good.
Berrian and Gus get the only shoutouts IMO.

Special Teams:
Chris "Get A" Kluhe could not kick the ball out of bounds...something Chilly said they "practiced on all week."
WTF???
I'm sure that's true, and Chilly should be pissed at "Get A" Kluhe.
That said, the punt and kickoff coverage was absolutely embarrassing to watch.
The fact that the defense held the Saints offense to 13 points is close to a Christmas Miracle...3 drives started within 3 yards of midfield; absurd!
Only good thing is Longwell's kicking and the blocked field goal.

Coaching:
Leslie Frazier get's an A.
Childress gets a C (simply because they won).
Bevell gets a D...predictable play sequence gave the running game no chance to succeed.
Ferraro gets an F.

Well, well, well.
We are right where I thought we would be record wise after the brutal first five games.
I still think this team can go 10-6...as I've said since May.
It will take 8-3 from here, but, I think it is achieveable.
The nay-sayers will say we should not have won the game last night.
To them, I will point out that we lost a game earlier in the season we probably should have won (to the Colts).
Games on the road in Green Bay, Tennessee, and New Orleans; home games agains Indy and Carolina...with a QB change, and, a McKinnie suspension, injuries to Madieu Williams, Sidney Rice, AD, EJ Henderson, Ray Edwards, etc; tough way to start the season.
The glass is half full from here out IMO.


Are things perfect?
Hell no.
Are things dire?
Hell no.
Is the Team going in the right direction?
Too early to tell; I am, however, of the opinion that this team will continue to improve.
We have terrific veterans who will bring this thing to a good place IMO.

V4L
10-07-2008, 05:45 PM
"MaxVike" wrote:


Defense:
I thought the defense played a very good game.
Yes, the Saints had 320 yards passing...they are #1 in the NFL with a 325.8 yard/game average...we actually held them below their average, albeit nominally.
Given the field position they had to deal with because of poohie Special Teams play and the fact that Brees was the best QB in the League through the first quarter of the Season, they played great.
Thought they looked fast, athletic, and purposeful.
Special recognition to Antoine Winfield, Kevin Williams, Ben Leber, Tyrell Johnson, and Chad Greenway...great game fellas!

Offense:
Very concerned that we couldn't get any running game going.
Gus played a decent game...MNF, on the road, he made some good throws, and DID NOT THROW A PICK.
Berrian appears to be coming out, which is mucho needed.
Wade dropped a pass, so did AD.
Playcalling was predictable, for the most part.
Thought, for the most part, pass protection was pretty good.
Berrian and Gus get the only shoutouts IMO.

Special Teams:
Chris "Get A" Kluhe could not kick the ball out of bounds...something Chilly said they "practiced on all week."
WTF???
I'm sure that's true, and Chilly should be pissed at "Get A" Kluhe.
That said, the punt and kickoff coverage was absolutely embarrassing to watch.
The fact that the defense held the Saints offense to 13 points is close to a Christmas Miracle...3 drives started within 3 yards of midfield; absurd!
Only good thing is Longwell's kicking and the blocked field goal.

Coaching:
Leslie Frazier get's an A.
Childress gets a C (simply because they won).
Bevell gets a D...predictable play sequence gave the running game no chance to succeed.
Ferraro gets an F.

Well, well, well.
We are right where I thought we would be record wise after the brutal first five games.
I still think this team can go 10-6...as I've said since May.
It will take 8-3 from here, but, I think it is achieveable.
The nay-sayers will say we should not have won the game last night.
To them, I will point out that we lost a game earlier in the season we probably should have won (to the Colts).
Games on the road in Green Bay, Tennessee, and New Orleans; home games agains Indy and Carolina...with a QB change, and, a McKinnie suspension, injuries to Madieu Williams, Sidney Rice, AD, EJ Henderson, Ray Edwards, etc; tough way to start the season.
The glass is half full from here out IMO.


Are things perfect?
Hell no.
Are things dire?
Hell no.
Is the Team going in the right direction?
Too early to tell; I am, however, of the opinion that this team will continue to improve.
We have terrific veterans who will bring this thing to a good place IMO.




SKOL!

Excellent win and excellent post there

Lets build off of this

Freya
10-07-2008, 06:06 PM
We won.
I'm glad.
Rock on Vikes.

SamOchoCinco
10-07-2008, 06:09 PM
that was one of the most messed up games i have ever seen... how on earth did martin make that kick? wow..

and that game once again showed we need heath back.

but otherwise it was a great game!

jmcdon00
10-07-2008, 06:11 PM
"grpape" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


sorry, no truth has set me free.
putting one big drive together over the course of a 4 quarter game does not even come close to a mediocre performance.
we rushed for 40 yards which you want to just keep ignoring, as if its a good thing, or not important.
our pass game literally consisted of the one big drive.
i mean its nice that we had a drive but i'm pretty sure i see nfl teams doing that every week several times over the course of
a quarter let alone a whole game.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
the offense is getting way too much credit.
everyone knows they made the plays when they had to there and it helped us win the game when they did very little the rest of teh game to do so. but we all know we are not gona survive the rest of the season taht way.
is it that hard to say we have to get much better?



5 games against opponents who are:
2-3, 2-2, 4-1, 5-0 and 2-3.
The Vikings haven't played against a truly crappy team yet (helllllllllllooooo, Detroit!)


And they have come out of that schedule at 2-3 with 2 very winnable games coming up before the BYE.

I'm sorry that the team is not performing to your particular level of satisfaction.
Have they ever?


Here's the issue that I have with dudes like you - you're never happy.
It's the day after a big fricken win and all you want to do is beeyatch and complain.
Couldn't you take a day off from the whine tour and celebrate a huge Monday Night victory?

=Z=

Exactly! I hate it when people can't just enjoy the win for what it is. A win! At least bask in the sunshine for a couple of days before bringing back all the gloom and doom. How do people survive every day life with such an attitude? I feel sorry for those who choose to "always" see life in this manner.



I don't think that it is that some "always" see the negative, but some do not change our entire opinion of the team based on 1 or 2 wins or losses.
Basically I don't mind people who are always positive or always negative, it is those that change there opinion every week based on the score of that weeks game that confuse me.

V4L
10-07-2008, 06:14 PM
"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


that was one of the most messed up games i have ever seen... how on earth did martin make that kick? wow..

and that game once again showed we need heath back.

but otherwise it was a great game!



True

We need Madieu back

And EJ would have been sweet

Farwell could have helped alot IMO as well

El Vikingo
10-07-2008, 06:17 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


that was one of the most messed up games i have ever seen... how on earth did martin make that kick? wow..

and that game once again showed we need heath back.

but otherwise it was a great game!



True

We need Madieu back

And EJ would have been sweet

Farwell could have helped alot IMO as well


Is not Madieu playing against the kitties?

V4L
10-07-2008, 06:18 PM
"El" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


that was one of the most messed up games i have ever seen... how on earth did martin make that kick? wow..

and that game once again showed we need heath back.

but otherwise it was a great game!



True

We need Madieu back

And EJ would have been sweet

Farwell could have helped alot IMO as well


Is not Madieu playing against the kitties?




I think I heard he will be back after the bye week

BloodyHorns82
10-07-2008, 06:18 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"grpape" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


sorry, no truth has set me free.
putting one big drive together over the course of a 4 quarter game does not even come close to a mediocre performance.
we rushed for 40 yards which you want to just keep ignoring, as if its a good thing, or not important.
our pass game literally consisted of the one big drive.
i mean its nice that we had a drive but i'm pretty sure i see nfl teams doing that every week several times over the course of
a quarter let alone a whole game.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
the offense is getting way too much credit.
everyone knows they made the plays when they had to there and it helped us win the game when they did very little the rest of teh game to do so. but we all know we are not gona survive the rest of the season taht way.
is it that hard to say we have to get much better?



5 games against opponents who are:
2-3, 2-2, 4-1, 5-0 and 2-3.
The Vikings haven't played against a truly crappy team yet (helllllllllllooooo, Detroit!)


And they have come out of that schedule at 2-3 with 2 very winnable games coming up before the BYE.

I'm sorry that the team is not performing to your particular level of satisfaction.
Have they ever?


Here's the issue that I have with dudes like you - you're never happy.
It's the day after a big fricken win and all you want to do is beeyatch and complain.
Couldn't you take a day off from the whine tour and celebrate a huge Monday Night victory?

=Z=

Exactly! I hate it when people can't just enjoy the win for what it is. A win! At least bask in the sunshine for a couple of days before bringing back all the gloom and doom. How do people survive every day life with such an attitude? I feel sorry for those who choose to "always" see life in this manner.



I don't think that it is that some "always" see the negative, but some do not change our entire opinion of the team based on 1 or 2 wins or losses.
Basically I don't mind people who are always positive or always negative, it is those that change there opinion every week based on the score of that weeks game that confuse me.


This team is not as good as we thought it was going to be.
The only joy that can be taken out of the season to date, is two pathetic victories.
Enjoy it for what it is, or don't enjoy it at all.
I'm gonna be smiling for a few more days before I realistically examine the team and its chances...which prior to yesterday's game I thought were slim at best.
I think now I've upgraded my stance to slim...based off of one game.
;D

El Vikingo
10-07-2008, 06:23 PM
Fact of the matter is we are only 1 game away of leading our division and the hardest part of the schedule has passed ....

V4L
10-07-2008, 06:25 PM
Skol Vikings honor your name

DPep11
10-07-2008, 06:26 PM
That was a huge win... and I'm very very happy about it. However, unless our offense/special teams shores up and the play calling becomes more aggressive/creative... we're not a Superbowl contender (which is disappointing IMO). Great win last night, and we should win against the Lions and hopefully the Bears/Packers lose so we can tie for 1st
;D

V4L
10-07-2008, 06:27 PM
"PhatmanPat94" wrote:


That was a huge win... and I'm very very happy about it. However, unless our offense/special teams shores up and the play calling becomes more aggressive/creative... we're not a Superbowl contender (which is disappointing IMO). Great win last night, and we should win against the Lions and hopefully the Bears/Packers lose so we can tie for 1st
;D



I think we can it

Lions shouldn't be underestimated

They should score some points

But I think we can take it

Ill be praying for Packer and Bear loses!

V-Unit
10-07-2008, 06:29 PM
Wow Wow Wow. What a game. I still have no idea if we are any good. I'm honestly totally split on this one.

Devil V:
- We Suck. Our offense still sucks. Too many dropped passes. We couldn't run the ball effectively even when we had a ten point lead. We gave up the lead, and we are supposed to be a team that plays well with the lead. Frerotte missed some easy throws. We passed too much. Once again this was a game where our defense bailed out our O. Even so, they let up tons of yardage. Kluwe is a freaking idiot! He can't even kick the ball out of bounds? So so ridiculous and it should have cost us the game.

Angel V:
- That is exactly the types of perserverance I like to see! Gus led us on drives to tie and win the game! Chilly benching TJ is now clearly the right call. For anyone, who has ever said anything bad about Antoine Winfield, it's time to give the man due praise. He was simply a catalyst, and how about that coverage stat that Jaws pulled out? Winny is the complete package.

OK, now honestly, here's my breakdown.

Offense: Wow, if you had told me we had that type of rushing day and still won, I clearly would not have believed you. I definetly need to eat crow because I did not think we could win a game like that. Last night exemplifies why Gus is in and TJ is out. Gus was willing to make tough throws. Gus stood tall in the pocket. Gus got back up after being knocked down. Gus threw no picks. Gus made plays with his arm. I simply won't stand for TJ supporters, now or ever. Gus just proved that this offense can tick even when the run game is shutdown. That alone is reason enough to get a shiny new QB after season's end. Bye Bye TJ.

You have to give the Saints credit for how they stopped the run. Inside, outside, it just wasn't there. I will say that Tahi had a pathetic game. He is no Richardson, not even close. AD was gang tackled almost every time. However, despite all that, we were still able to pass effectively, not well, not great, but effectively. That made All of the difference. Dropsies early on, but then Wade and Berrian started ticking and it was beatuiful. Some stupid penalties on Allison but he is young. Some dumb false starts, but it was incredibly loud.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but that was a glimpse of what Chilly is trying to do with this offense, and it looked good. Not too fast, it was the Saints, but the ability to pass when the run was stymied was nice to see. Chilly's Minny offense has never done that before.

Defense:
I have read none of this thread, but I'm sure some have pointed fingers at the defense. If you have, you are an idiot. Not because they played perfectly, but because you refuse to realize what our defense is no matter how many times I tell you. Here it is again, in CAPS.

STOP THE RUN. LET THEM PASS. MAKE BIG PLAYS.

It works because long drives are tough to sustain when passing. Lots of 3rd and 8/9s and we know all too well how those can end. Embrace the defensive philosophy. If you complain about a game where they run wild or we don't get turnovers, or not enough pass rush I can understand, but don't whine about Brees throwing for 300. We all knew he would before the game began.

In this game, we stopped the run and made the plays neccesary to win. Winfield of course, with two awesome run stops and the forced fumble, but also Gordon breaking up a pass in the end zone, Griffin not letting anything behind him and making 9 tackles, Leber with great reaction time on the INT, the DL batting down passes. We pressured Brees a good amount, but had to blitz a lot to do it. Brees did a great job of stepping up in the pocket at times.

New Orleans' longest scoring drive was 47 yards. That is phenomenal. Our D held the Saints to 13 points. Also phenomenal.

Special Teams: They made a play on the blocked FG and smart play by Mills recovering the onside kick, but the rest was horrible. Longwell had a kickoff that landed at the 17 yard line! We still have no idea who our KR is!

Let me say this, and some won't believe me, but this is not hindsight. Chris Kluwe had 7 punts. The first was a pooch, as was the second in which Lance Moore, not Bush was back to return. At this point I wondered why, but was happy about it, praying that we never kicked to Bush. The thrid punt, also a pooch! Bush was back there. I freaked out and was made fun od because we punted to him and tackled him for a loss. I didn't care. I was terrified. Fourth punt, Bush fields the punt on his own 5 and has a decent return. Our hand was in the fire a long long time before we got burned.

I Chilly spiel saying he told Kluwe to punt it our of bounds. I barely buy it. IMO, this was a complete oversight in the gameplan. It might have been stated, but it was not emphasized. We should have been punting it out of bounds on the first punt, let alone the fifth. Unacceptable. For those who point at Kluwe, saying he actually does not have the ability to kick out of bounds, we'll see what happens when we play Chicago. My guess is that the coaches will put so much emphasis on kicking out of bounds vs. Hester that he will, rather than just some "Hey, try to kick it out of bounds," comment right before he takes the field. Like I said complete bull.

I don't blame Chilly. I blame the ST coach. Fire him. I definitely know more about football than he does. Even if that isn't true, he doesn't know how to make his players better. He has a kicker who range gets shorter by the game and a punter who apparently can't engle the ball out of bounds. Kick coverage? It sucks. Punt coverage? It sucks. He doesn't know who to put back for returns, and most of the time it doesn't matter, because his kick return simply calls for the guy to run straight until he falls down. We have seen that from Taylor, Hicks, and Peterson. The only guy who has shown good lateral movement and vision on KR is Allison. For goodness sakes put him back there and leave him there for the rest of the year. I am so sick of this Ferraro guy. Get him out of here.

Longwell was clutch. In the end we won because of special teams. Their kicker missed. Ours hit yay.

In summary, it was just awesome to see us make plays that we have rarely made this year. Longwell hitting all his FGs. Frerotte making throws. Berrian making a diving catch. Shank in the end zone. Gordon as previously stated. Winfield, my man! Sure there was some of the old, but enough of the new. My favorite part is that we went down and were able to battle back. That shows some mental toughness that we have lacked previously, even earlier this year.

Yfz01
10-07-2008, 08:36 PM
The good: Top ten defense, we are even pretty good against the pass (yes I noticed the 300 yards, but it doesn't help getting 3 and outs and bringing our D out for so long)

The Bad: Our coverage units on special teams.


The inbetween:
Offense - I can see sparks at times but we still are not consistant enough.

ejmat
10-08-2008, 09:58 AM
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.

MaxVike
10-08-2008, 10:05 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.

PurplePackerEater
10-08-2008, 10:06 AM
Childress' days are numbered.

pack93z
10-08-2008, 10:08 AM
We will trade ya.. a punter that shanks and short kicks it for Klewe.. might even throw in a bag of popcorn balls to boot. Plain ones.. no caramel though, it would throw the whole trade out of balance.
;D

I watched that game and he might have missed the third one, but that second one was not a call from the sideline.. it was a straight man punt.

The post game comments sounded desperate from Chilly.. don't see it often where a coach opens up on a player in the press like that.. it made it interesting though.. a little Al Davis psycho approach.
:D

PurplePackerEater
10-08-2008, 10:10 AM
"MaxVike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? Fuck him.

ejmat
10-08-2008, 10:14 AM
"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? Fuck him.


Can't agree with you more about the coverage teams.
However, that may be the reason why Klewe was told to kick it OOB.
A player has to respect that and Klewe didn't.
You can blame the world on Childress however he is not the one to blame here.
It all starts with the punter.
I can tell you this.
Blackmon's return against the Pack was definately Klewe's fault.
You can't kick the ball on a line drive like that.
That is not something Childress did.

It's funny to me how anything that goes bad is always blamed on Childress from the haters club.
Yet, anything that goes right it was that specific player.
LOL.

jargomcfargo
10-08-2008, 10:15 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


With the Vikings special teams coverage skills, every punt should be placed out of bounds. No chance for return.
Special teams coverage has been pathetic for the last three years. Farwell helped but it still wasn't very good.
I have no clue how the special teams coach has kept his job.
Amateurs can punt the ball out of bounds. Why can't Klewe?
What else does he have to do at practice besides hold for kicks?
Special teams coverage is a far greater problem than Klewe's inability to directionally punt.
But I agree with Childress. If a pro can't punt out of bounds when needed,he can be replaced.

VikesFan4Life
10-08-2008, 11:04 AM
Childress is an uninspired, unmotivating, generally emotionless, douchebag.
Why doesn't he ever publicly threaten the jobs of the scrubs he's brought in here?

The punt/kickoff coverage has been absolute horseshit on a consistent basis.
Vinny Ciurciu is garbage.

Kluwe has been rock solid, save for Monday night.
I'm certainly not giving him a free pass, and he should have kicked the ball as instructed, but can't we just assume he was having an off night?
I'd be shocked if he were cut; Kluwe is an awesome punter (and with this offense, they need a good punter),you don't just cut a guy like that because he has one bad game.
If this becomes a recurring problem, then maybe they'd have a reason to go in a different direction at punter.

Maybe he was thinking a little too much about playing Guitar Hero 3 the other night? ;D

marshallvike
10-08-2008, 11:29 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? floop him.


Can't agree with you more about the coverage teams.
However, that may be the reason why Klewe was told to kick it OOB.
A player has to respect that and Klewe didn't.
You can blame the world on Childress however he is not the one to blame here.
It all starts with the punter.
I can tell you this.
Blackmon's return against the Pack was definately Klewe's fault.
You can't kick the ball on a line drive like that.
That is not something Childress did.

It's funny to me how anything that goes bad is always blamed on Childress from the haters club.
Yet, anything that goes right it was that specific player.
LOL.


chilly does it every game. kluwe did it one game.

ejmat
10-08-2008, 11:36 AM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? floop him.


Can't agree with you more about the coverage teams.
However, that may be the reason why Klewe was told to kick it OOB.
A player has to respect that and Klewe didn't.
You can blame the world on Childress however he is not the one to blame here.
It all starts with the punter.
I can tell you this.
Blackmon's return against the Pack was definately Klewe's fault.
You can't kick the ball on a line drive like that.
That is not something Childress did.

It's funny to me how anything that goes bad is always blamed on Childress from the haters club.
Yet, anything that goes right it was that specific player.
LOL.


chilly does it every game. kluwe did it one game.


Prove to me Childress does it every game.
Also, Klewe did it 2 games just this year.
One of them resulted in a loss becasue of it.
Remember Green Bay?
He wasn't told to kick it OOB but I'm sure he was supposed to kick it higher than 8 feet in the air.

V4L
10-08-2008, 11:44 AM
He wasn't supposed to kick it out in the Pack game

I read we were trying to pin them back

marshallvike
10-08-2008, 11:47 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:




http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? floop him.


Can't agree with you more about the coverage teams.
However, that may be the reason why Klewe was told to kick it OOB.
A player has to respect that and Klewe didn't.
You can blame the world on Childress however he is not the one to blame here.
It all starts with the punter.
I can tell you this.
Blackmon's return against the Pack was definately Klewe's fault.
You can't kick the ball on a line drive like that.
That is not something Childress did.

It's funny to me how anything that goes bad is always blamed on Childress from the haters club.
Yet, anything that goes right it was that specific player.
LOL.


chilly does it every game. kluwe did it one game.


Prove to me Childress does it every game.
Also, Klewe did it 2 games just this year.
One of them resulted in a loss becasue of it.
Remember Green Bay?
He wasn't told to kick it OOB but I'm sure he was supposed to kick it higher than 8 feet in the air.


don't remember the kick, but did he have to kick it low to avoid a block or possibly a wind blown drop? kluwe finished second in the league last year in pinning the opponents inside the 20. his net yardage went down as a result of it. he still boomed them when he had to. some games he was our 2nd best weapon, (behind AD). he is still one of the best punters in the game. saying chilly does it every game may be a bit of an overstatement, but you will find few people who will argue that chilly and his staff are doing a competent job.

ejmat
10-08-2008, 11:52 AM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:






http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? floop him.


Can't agree with you more about the coverage teams.
However, that may be the reason why Klewe was told to kick it OOB.
A player has to respect that and Klewe didn't.
You can blame the world on Childress however he is not the one to blame here.
It all starts with the punter.
I can tell you this.
Blackmon's return against the Pack was definately Klewe's fault.
You can't kick the ball on a line drive like that.
That is not something Childress did.

It's funny to me how anything that goes bad is always blamed on Childress from the haters club.
Yet, anything that goes right it was that specific player.
LOL.


chilly does it every game. kluwe did it one game.


Prove to me Childress does it every game.
Also, Klewe did it 2 games just this year.
One of them resulted in a loss becasue of it.
Remember Green Bay?
He wasn't told to kick it OOB but I'm sure he was supposed to kick it higher than 8 feet in the air.


don't remember the kick, but did he have to kick it low to avoid a block or possibly a wind blown drop? kluwe finished second in the league last year in pinning the opponents inside the 20. his net yardage went down as a result of it. he still boomed them when he had to. some games he was our 2nd best weapon, (behind AD). he is still one of the best punters in the game. saying chilly does it every game may be a bit of an overstatement, but you will find few people who will argue that chilly and his staff are doing a competent job.


The kick against GB was just a bad kick.
It happens once in a while.
I am not trying to say Klewe sucks.
He's a good punter for the most part.
My point in this thread is everyone is bashing Childress regardless of what happens.
You are correct in that his approval rating is low.
But fans do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
Some of things people in PPO are calling Childress out for is ludicrous IMO.
Ex:
Why he didn't kcik a FG against Carolina instead of just kneeling.
Another ex:
he brings in bad people.
What about the good people he has brought in?
Hell I'm surprised people aren't trying to say we should have went for 6 against the Saints instead of 3 at the end to run out the clock.

I don't mind people's opinions.
My opinion on Childress isn't the best either.
But until I have solid proof he is the cause of the poor play on the field then I will have an open mind.
Not just one-sided.

marshallvike
10-08-2008, 12:01 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? floop him.


Can't agree with you more about the coverage teams.
However, that may be the reason why Klewe was told to kick it OOB.
A player has to respect that and Klewe didn't.
You can blame the world on Childress however he is not the one to blame here.
It all starts with the punter.
I can tell you this.
Blackmon's return against the Pack was definately Klewe's fault.
You can't kick the ball on a line drive like that.
That is not something Childress did.

It's funny to me how anything that goes bad is always blamed on Childress from the haters club.
Yet, anything that goes right it was that specific player.
LOL.


chilly does it every game. kluwe did it one game.


Prove to me Childress does it every game.
Also, Klewe did it 2 games just this year.
One of them resulted in a loss becasue of it.
Remember Green Bay?
He wasn't told to kick it OOB but I'm sure he was supposed to kick it higher than 8 feet in the air.


don't remember the kick, but did he have to kick it low to avoid a block or possibly a wind blown drop? kluwe finished second in the league last year in pinning the opponents inside the 20. his net yardage went down as a result of it. he still boomed them when he had to. some games he was our 2nd best weapon, (behind AD). he is still one of the best punters in the game. saying chilly does it every game may be a bit of an overstatement, but you will find few people who will argue that chilly and his staff are doing a competent job.


The kick against GB was just a bad kick.
It happens once in a while.
I am not trying to say Klewe sucks.
He's a good punter for the most part.
My point in this thread is everyone is bashing Childress regardless of what happens.
You are correct in that his approval rating is low.
But fans do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
Some of things people in PPO are calling Childress out for is ludicrous IMO.
Ex:
Why he didn't kcik a FG against Carolina instead of just kneeling.
Another ex:
he brings in bad people.
What about the good people he has brought in?
Hell I'm surprised people aren't trying to say we should have went for 6 against the Saints instead of 3 at the end to run out the clock.

I don't mind people's opinions.
My opinion on Childress isn't the best either.
But until I have solid proof he is the cause of the poor play on the field then I will have an open mind.
Not just one-sided.


you're right. he does get blamed for things that are not his fault. i think that is the frustration of us vikings fans seeing less than stellar performance with what we consider very good talent.
i was not a fan of hiring an offensive coordinator who did not call the plays for his offense, but gave him the benefit of the doubt for a year and a half. since then i have become more and more frustrated with him and his staff, save frazier. i am sure i am guilty of blaming him for things he has no control over also.

but gol darnit i want us to start winning.

V4L
10-08-2008, 12:01 PM
If we want to add a new player look at other positions

Kluwe isn't the problem

Maybe get an offensive coordinator that can actually make up a game plan and call plays?

That would help ten times more then a punter

marshallvike
10-08-2008, 12:08 PM
"V4L" wrote:


If we want to add a new player look at other positions

Kluwe isn't the problem

Maybe get an offensive coordinator that can actually make up a game plan and call plays?

That would help ten times more then a punter


or bring back rusty tillman

V4L
10-08-2008, 12:10 PM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


If we want to add a new player look at other positions

Kluwe isn't the problem

Maybe get an offensive coordinator that can actually make up a game plan and call plays?

That would help ten times more then a punter


or bring back rusty tillman



I miss Rusty

He was very clever in the things he did

Only good thing we did on special teams was recover that surprise onside good

Props to Garrett Mills on that one.. Keeping his head in that play

I don't think anyone was really expecting it.. Most people just turn around and head for the hills to get ready to block

marshallvike
10-08-2008, 12:13 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


If we want to add a new player look at other positions

Kluwe isn't the problem

Maybe get an offensive coordinator that can actually make up a game plan and call plays?

That would help ten times more then a punter


or bring back rusty tillman



I miss Rusty

He was very clever in the things he did

Only good thing we did on special teams was recover that surprise onside good

Props to Garrett Mills on that one.. Keeping his head in that play

I don't think anyone was really expecting it.. Most people just turn around and head for the hills to get ready to block


yeah, great play by mills. they could have easily caught us off guard.

ejmat
10-08-2008, 12:15 PM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:










http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? floop him.


Can't agree with you more about the coverage teams.
However, that may be the reason why Klewe was told to kick it OOB.
A player has to respect that and Klewe didn't.
You can blame the world on Childress however he is not the one to blame here.
It all starts with the punter.
I can tell you this.
Blackmon's return against the Pack was definately Klewe's fault.
You can't kick the ball on a line drive like that.
That is not something Childress did.

It's funny to me how anything that goes bad is always blamed on Childress from the haters club.
Yet, anything that goes right it was that specific player.
LOL.


chilly does it every game. kluwe did it one game.


Prove to me Childress does it every game.
Also, Klewe did it 2 games just this year.
One of them resulted in a loss becasue of it.
Remember Green Bay?
He wasn't told to kick it OOB but I'm sure he was supposed to kick it higher than 8 feet in the air.


don't remember the kick, but did he have to kick it low to avoid a block or possibly a wind blown drop? kluwe finished second in the league last year in pinning the opponents inside the 20. his net yardage went down as a result of it. he still boomed them when he had to. some games he was our 2nd best weapon, (behind AD). he is still one of the best punters in the game. saying chilly does it every game may be a bit of an overstatement, but you will find few people who will argue that chilly and his staff are doing a competent job.


The kick against GB was just a bad kick.
It happens once in a while.
I am not trying to say Klewe sucks.
He's a good punter for the most part.
My point in this thread is everyone is bashing Childress regardless of what happens.
You are correct in that his approval rating is low.
But fans do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
Some of things people in PPO are calling Childress out for is ludicrous IMO.
Ex:
Why he didn't kcik a FG against Carolina instead of just kneeling.
Another ex:
he brings in bad people.
What about the good people he has brought in?
Hell I'm surprised people aren't trying to say we should have went for 6 against the Saints instead of 3 at the end to run out the clock.

I don't mind people's opinions.
My opinion on Childress isn't the best either.
But until I have solid proof he is the cause of the poor play on the field then I will have an open mind.
Not just one-sided.


you're right. he does get blamed for things that are not his fault. i think that is the frustration of us vikings fans seeing less than stellar performance with what we consider very good talent.
i was not a fan of hiring an offensive coordinator who did not call the plays for his offense, but gave him the benefit of the doubt for a year and a half. since then i have become more and more frustrated with him and his staff, save frazier. i am sure i am guilty of blaming him for things he has no control over also.

but gol darnit i want us to start winning.


I hear ya.
I want them to start winning too.
I'm tired of being mediocre.
There is enough talent on this team to be a real contender.
I do believe some of the play calling lacks but there is a lot that is good too.
People were angry with Chilly because they don't go down the field that often.
I disagree with that.
The problem was not executing when they do go down field.
11% success is not good execution.
I would like to see them throw more screens in the flats.
The problem is each team has one guy that just eyes AP or CT.
However that should leave a TE open in the middle more often.
So I do believe play calling is part of the problem.
However, not everything can be blamed on Childress.


Unfortunately his QB of the future hasn't panned out.
He looked good late last year and during the preseason so I understand why he was the starter this year.
You can't blame Childress for that.
He also went after other QBs but none of them panned out.
There's a lot more to consider then just blame Childress.

PurplePeopleEaters
10-08-2008, 12:36 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


If we want to add a new player look at other positions

Kluwe isn't the problem

Maybe get an offensive coordinator that can actually make up a game plan and call plays?

That would help ten times more then a punter


or bring back rusty tillman



I miss Rusty

He was very clever in the things he did

Only good thing we did on special teams was recover that surprise onside good

Props to Garrett Mills on that one.. Keeping his head in that play

I don't think anyone was really expecting it.. Most people just turn around and head for the hills to get ready to block



I think you're forgetting the blocked kick for TD ;)

As for Kluwe, I don't think he'll make the mistake again. The special teams coverage is just atrocious and has been for 3 years now. It's become worse without Farwell. Childress continually talks up signing special teams "aces" like Ciurciu who turn out to help with nothing.

Again, good reason to re-sign Dontarrious Thomas.

On that notion, I thought David Herron played pretty well the other night. There weren't any glaring mistakes in his part. There were times in the run game where Deuce or Reggie would pick up 5 or 6 and I would think to myself, with EJ in, that never would have happened. Otherwise, as the saying goes, if nobody's talking about you, you did a good job.

V-Unit
10-08-2008, 12:52 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10656179

Judging by Coach Childress' words, he may be looking elsewhere for punting duties after Klewe couldn't manage to kick the ball out of bounds and away from Bush.

I like Klewe but I tend to agree with Childress here.
A professional punter should be able to kick the ball directionally.


Print does not capture how pissed off Chilress was.
Sirius NFL Radio replayed his press conference...he was still major league pissed off at "Get A" Kluhe.
Don't know what will happen, but, if "Get A" Kluhe is told to kick away from Hester (whom Chilly referred to as 'the guy in Chicago') we may just see fisticuffs.
The little guy is definitely not in the mood.


Whatever. The kickoff and punt coverage was terrible all night, now Childress wants to throw one guy under the bus? floop him.


Can't agree with you more about the coverage teams.
However, that may be the reason why Klewe was told to kick it OOB.
A player has to respect that and Klewe didn't.
You can blame the world on Childress however he is not the one to blame here.
It all starts with the punter.
I can tell you this.
Blackmon's return against the Pack was definately Klewe's fault.
You can't kick the ball on a line drive like that.
That is not something Childress did.

It's funny to me how anything that goes bad is always blamed on Childress from the haters club.
Yet, anything that goes right it was that specific player.
LOL.


chilly does it every game. kluwe did it one game.


Prove to me Childress does it every game.
Also, Klewe did it 2 games just this year.
One of them resulted in a loss becasue of it.
Remember Green Bay?
He wasn't told to kick it OOB but I'm sure he was supposed to kick it higher than 8 feet in the air.


don't remember the kick, but did he have to kick it low to avoid a block or possibly a wind blown drop? kluwe finished second in the league last year in pinning the opponents inside the 20. his net yardage went down as a result of it. he still boomed them when he had to. some games he was our 2nd best weapon, (behind AD). he is still one of the best punters in the game. saying chilly does it every game may be a bit of an overstatement, but you will find few people who will argue that chilly and his staff are doing a competent job.


The kick against GB was just a bad kick.
It happens once in a while.
I am not trying to say Klewe sucks.
He's a good punter for the most part.
My point in this thread is everyone is bashing Childress regardless of what happens.
You are correct in that his approval rating is low.
But fans do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
Some of things people in PPO are calling Childress out for is ludicrous IMO.
Ex:
Why he didn't kcik a FG against Carolina instead of just kneeling.
Another ex:
he brings in bad people.
What about the good people he has brought in?
Hell I'm surprised people aren't trying to say we should have went for 6 against the Saints instead of 3 at the end to run out the clock.

I don't mind people's opinions.
My opinion on Childress isn't the best either.
But until I have solid proof he is the cause of the poor play on the field then I will have an open mind.
Not just one-sided.


This may seem like a stretch, but I think the ST coach, if not Chilly, definitely deserves some blame here.

The question is this: Was kicking out of bounds part of the gameplan, or just something Chilly mentioned right before the punt team took the field?

Either way, Kluwe is heavily responsible for not being able to get the kick out of bounds. The difference here though, is that if the gameplan was to punt OOB, Kluwe would have been practicing that all week, and therefore would hopefully perform better during the game.

That's why I think this may be partly coaching oversight. They did not put their player, in this case the punter, in a position to succeed.

If it was part of the gameplan, which I sincerely doubt, and Kluwe still could not get the ball out of bounds. That is pathetic, obviously.

Purple Floyd
10-08-2008, 01:07 PM
For the life of me I am having a hard time figuring out how it Kluwe's fault that Bush got 2 TD's. For Christs sake there are 10 guys out there who have a responsibility to stay in their lanes and make a tackle when the guy with the ball in in their area. The coverage team got so out of shape in their coverage that he was barely contested on his way to the end zone. That is on the ST coordinator and on the other 10 guys on the field in front of Kluwe.

If the best strategy that we can employ on ST is to kick the ball out of bounds then I think Lucy has some 'splaining to do.

V4L
10-08-2008, 01:09 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


For the life of me I am having a hard time figuring out how it Kluwe's fault that Bush got 2 TD's. For Christs sake there are 10 guys out there who have a responsibility to stay in their lanes and make a tackle when the guy with the ball in in their area. The coverage team got so out of shape in their coverage that he was barely contested on his way to the end zone. That is on the ST coordinator and on the other 10 guys on the field in front of Kluwe.

If the best strategy that we can employ on ST is to kick the ball out of bounds then I think Lucy has some 'splaining to do.



Thats why people are mad at Kluwe

He was told to kick outta bounds and didnt

Purple Floyd
10-08-2008, 01:17 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


For the life of me I am having a hard time figuring out how it Kluwe's fault that Bush got 2 TD's. For Christs sake there are 10 guys out there who have a responsibility to stay in their lanes and make a tackle when the guy with the ball in in their area. The coverage team got so out of shape in their coverage that he was barely contested on his way to the end zone. That is on the ST coordinator and on the other 10 guys on the field in front of Kluwe.

If the best strategy that we can employ on ST is to kick the ball out of bounds then I think Lucy has some 'splaining to do.



Thats why people are mad at Kluwe

He was told to kick outta bounds and didnt


Do you know for a fact that he was told to punt out of bounds before the first TD or was that command a reaction to our poor punt coverage on it?

Like I said, if our ST's are so shitty that they cannot stay in their lanes and make a tackle it certainly isn't Kluwe's fault.

You should never have to use kicking out of bounds as a winning strategy.

NodakPaul
10-08-2008, 01:25 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


For the life of me I am having a hard time figuring out how it Kluwe's fault that Bush got 2 TD's. For Christs sake there are 10 guys out there who have a responsibility to stay in their lanes and make a tackle when the guy with the ball in in their area. The coverage team got so out of shape in their coverage that he was barely contested on his way to the end zone. That is on the ST coordinator and on the other 10 guys on the field in front of Kluwe.

If the best strategy that we can employ on ST is to kick the ball out of bounds then I think Lucy has some 'splaining to do.



Thats why people are mad at Kluwe

He was told to kick outta bounds and didnt


Do you know for a fact that he was told to punt out of bounds before the first TD or was that command a reaction to our poor punt coverage on it?

Like I said, if our ST's are so poohie that they cannot stay in their lanes and make a tackle it certainly isn't Kluwe's fault.

You should never have to use kicking out of bounds as a winning strategy.


According to Childress, he was told to punt it out of bounds on both of Bush's TDs.
I actually think he meant Bush's two subsequent punt returns, but was so pissed off that he mangled it.

Mike Morris also said this morning brought up a good point.
You use directional kicking so your coverage teams know where their lanes are.
If you are kicking to the right, you release to the right and vice versa.
If you are expecting a kick in one direction, and it goes the other, then half of the coverage team will be releasing the wrong way, opening up huge holes.
I think this is what happened on the first TD, IMHO.
Kluwe shanked it right instead of left, and that drastically changed the lanes, giving Bush a fairly easy return.
So Childress tells him to kick it out of bounds since he can't control the direction, and he doesn't get that right either.

Kluwe has a good leg.
He can hang them up there, and kick it pretty far.
But he has always struggled with directional kicking, and against the Saints it was evident.

PurplePeopleEaters
10-08-2008, 01:27 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


For the life of me I am having a hard time figuring out how it Kluwe's fault that Bush got 2 TD's. For Christs sake there are 10 guys out there who have a responsibility to stay in their lanes and make a tackle when the guy with the ball in in their area. The coverage team got so out of shape in their coverage that he was barely contested on his way to the end zone. That is on the ST coordinator and on the other 10 guys on the field in front of Kluwe.

If the best strategy that we can employ on ST is to kick the ball out of bounds then I think Lucy has some 'splaining to do.



Thats why people are mad at Kluwe

He was told to kick outta bounds and didnt


Do you know for a fact that he was told to punt out of bounds before the first TD or was that command a reaction to our poor punt coverage on it?

Like I said, if our ST's are so shitty that they cannot stay in their lanes and make a tackle it certainly isn't Kluwe's fault.

You should never have to use kicking out of bounds as a winning strategy.



So if Devin Hester returns 4 punts for touchdown against us we're still kicking it in bounds? That makes no sense. You have to account for the other team having a playmaker back there. Guys like Hester, Bush and Jackson can return punts and kickoffs for TD against any special teams squad. Not kicking it to them is a winning strategy if it gives your team the best chance to stop their team.

i_bleed_purple
10-08-2008, 01:29 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


For the life of me I am having a hard time figuring out how it Kluwe's fault that Bush got 2 TD's. For Christs sake there are 10 guys out there who have a responsibility to stay in their lanes and make a tackle when the guy with the ball in in their area. The coverage team got so out of shape in their coverage that he was barely contested on his way to the end zone. That is on the ST coordinator and on the other 10 guys on the field in front of Kluwe.

If the best strategy that we can employ on ST is to kick the ball out of bounds then I think Lucy has some 'splaining to do.



Thats why people are mad at Kluwe

He was told to kick outta bounds and didnt


Do you know for a fact that he was told to punt out of bounds before the first TD or was that command a reaction to our poor punt coverage on it?

Like I said, if our ST's are so poohie that they cannot stay in their lanes and make a tackle it certainly isn't Kluwe's fault.

You should never have to use kicking out of bounds as a winning strategy.


According to Childress, he was told to punt it out of bounds on both of Bush's TDs.
I actually think he meant Bush's two subsequent punt returns, but was so pissed off that he mangled it.

Mike Morris also said this morning brought up a good point.
You use directional kicking so your coverage teams know where their lanes are.
If you are kicking to the right, you release to the right and vice versa.
If you are expecting a kick in one direction, and it goes the other, then half of the coverage team will be releasing the wrong way, opening up huge holes.
I think this is what happened on the first TD, IMHO.
Kluwe shanked it right instead of left, and that drastically changed the lanes, giving Bush a fairly easy return.
So Childress tells him to kick it out of bounds since he can't control the direction, and he doesn't get that right either.

Kluwe has a good leg.
He can hang them up there, and kick it pretty far.
But he has always struggled with directional kicking, and against the Saints it was evident.


I don't believe that his directional punting is that bad that he can't punt to the proper side of the field TWICE in a row.
Hell, I played some punter in HS, and I can aim fairly well, and can hit the proper side of the field, but there's no way that I'm better than Kluwe at it.
as Zeus would tell us, none of us were in the huddle or heard the call, so we can't really say for sure.

i_bleed_purple
10-08-2008, 01:31 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


For the life of me I am having a hard time figuring out how it Kluwe's fault that Bush got 2 TD's. For Christs sake there are 10 guys out there who have a responsibility to stay in their lanes and make a tackle when the guy with the ball in in their area. The coverage team got so out of shape in their coverage that he was barely contested on his way to the end zone. That is on the ST coordinator and on the other 10 guys on the field in front of Kluwe.

If the best strategy that we can employ on ST is to kick the ball out of bounds then I think Lucy has some 'splaining to do.



Thats why people are mad at Kluwe

He was told to kick outta bounds and didnt


Do you know for a fact that he was told to punt out of bounds before the first TD or was that command a reaction to our poor punt coverage on it?

Like I said, if our ST's are so shitty that they cannot stay in their lanes and make a tackle it certainly isn't Kluwe's fault.

You should never have to use kicking out of bounds as a winning strategy.



So if Devin Hester returns 4 punts for touchdown against us we're still kicking it in bounds? That makes no sense. You have to account for the other team having a playmaker back there. Guys like Hester, Bush and Jackson can return punts and kickoffs for TD against any special teams squad. Not kicking it to them is a winning strategy if it gives your team the best chance to stop their team.


obviously if it came to that, then yes, kick out of bounds, but I think the point he was trying to make is the coverage team needs to be fixed, so that we shouldn't HAVE to kick out of bounds.
We should be able to kick it right to whoever is back deep, and feel confident we can stop him.