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StillPurple
10-02-2008, 08:02 PM
I live in north Texas, so I heard Michael Irvin on the radio the other day. He was talking about the Cowboys losing to the Redskins, and he said, back in his day (1990s), he or "someone" would have just gotten really mad, said something in the locker room, maybe even started a fight, to motivate the team to get better and to "not take it anymore".

I remember reading about a game in the 1970s when the Vikings were losing in the playoffs, and one of the D-linemen went absolutely berserk in the lockerroom. I think it was Eller or Page. Probably Eller. The tirade got so bad that Tarkenton actually locked himself into a locker !!

My question is, I really wonder if this is now happening on our team. Or does this not happen in the "modern NFL", where everyone just showers and leaves. Are we mad enough ? Are people stepping up in the locker room like this, when it is necessary ? And who would that guy be ? Just wondering.

[one of the games that has really bothered me over the years as a long-term Vikings fan was that game back against the Giants about 7 years ago, when they beat us 41-0. No one seemed mad. No one stepped up. It really bugged me. No one put a wicked hit on someone - legal or illegal to spark a flame. I really wondered, "don't they get mad" ?]

ultravikingfan
10-02-2008, 08:07 PM
The make a lot more money now.
As long as they are getting paid, they don't seem to give a shit.
Unless they are to be a FA.

StillPurple
10-02-2008, 08:15 PM
I always see these guys after the game: their team just got beat 38-14 and they are over hugging other opposing players. It is ridiculous.

Back in the day, it was like a war. Read about Butkus and the Bears and George Halas and the Packers, etc. It really was like a war. But you are right, that was before free agency.

ultravikingfan
10-02-2008, 08:17 PM
That's just how it is these days.
Hugging, Praying and grabbing ass.
It's weak but that's the game.

Does not mean some don't get mad.

nailhead77
10-02-2008, 09:01 PM
I dont like it.
I'm pretty bummed when we lose, and it does suck watching the players after a game high fiving as if it doesnt matter.
The way it is now, you may only be with a certain team for a couple years so i understand why they have no "loyalty".
Back in the day (before me) players stayed together on the same team for a long time and wanted to win together.
Now the only reason players want to win (not all of them) is to have that superbowl ring on their resume.
Thats why i root for the "jersey" and not the name.

singersp
10-02-2008, 09:12 PM
"StillPurple" wrote:



I remember reading about a game in the 1970s when the Vikings were losing in the playoffs, and one of the D-linemen went absolutely berserk in the lockerroom. I think it was Eller or Page. Probably Eller. The tirade got so bad that Tarkenton actually locked himself into a locker !!



I never heard that, but I do recall Eller putting his fist threw a blackboard during half time when we were getting beat & that fired up the team enough to come back out & win the game.

VikingMike
10-02-2008, 09:30 PM
A lot of it has to do with pride...and many players seem to be satisfied with "giving their all", or "leaving it on the field". That's all great, but it doesn't amount to anything if you lose the game...and many forget that it's a team game, and they get caught up in their own goals and stats.

stateVIKE44
10-02-2008, 11:28 PM
I honestly think there is something to this. The players today do get paid a lot of money, and a lot of times probably aren't as set on winning as they are on getting a big contract. Well, I would say this is where the coach comes in. If you have a team full of players that cannt get themselves fired up for a game, what do you do? You bring in a coach who brings energy, old-school personality, and isn't a afraid to lay it all out on the line with his players and not allow them to wallow in mediocrity.

Yes, Childress and his staff have come in and done a good job creating an atmosphere of accountability OFF the field (sort of), but nothing has improved ON the field. Players need to be able to respect a coach .... you need a coach that when he talks people listen because they know that he is a fighter, they know he is winner at heart and will lay it all on the line for his players. In return, the players will WANT to lay it all on the line for the coach, and I am not seeing that with this team.

A coach does not have to sacrifice his integrity to get his players to want to play for him. Look at Tony Dungy, he is a LEADER, his players WANT to play for him, they WANT to win for him. Get a coach in here like that. I want a coach that the players will FIGHT for!

DustinDupont
10-03-2008, 01:03 AM
Yeah this is a great point...

I mean i get mad when i lose in pick up basketball, there playing in the NFL they need to get mad when they lose....

Like if you have a good friend on the other team i mean go shake his hand talk to him but dont high five everyone on the team and give ppl hugs after you lost, what they should do is go to the locker take a shower go home and be pissed the rest of the week like all of us

HornedHat
10-03-2008, 01:15 AM
I believe Eller broke the black board against the Redskins, and we did win that game.

ragz
10-03-2008, 03:52 AM
"StillPurple" wrote:


I live in north Texas, so I heard Michael Irvin on the radio the other day. He was talking about the Cowboys losing to the Redskins, and he said, back in his day (1990s), he or "someone" would have just gotten really mad, said something in the locker room, maybe even started a fight, to motivate the team to get better and to "not take it anymore".

I remember reading about a game in the 1970s when the Vikings were losing in the playoffs, and one of the D-linemen went absolutely berserk in the lockerroom. I think it was Eller or Page. Probably Eller. The tirade got so bad that Tarkenton actually locked himself into a locker !!

My question is, I really wonder if this is now happening on our team. Or does this not happen in the "modern NFL", where everyone just showers and leaves. Are we mad enough ? Are people stepping up in the locker room like this, when it is necessary ? And who would that guy be ? Just wondering.

[one of the games that has really bothered me over the years as a long-term Vikings fan was that game back against the Giants about 7 years ago, when they beat us 41-0. No one seemed mad. No one stepped up. It really bugged me. No one put a wicked hit on someone - legal or illegal to spark a flame. I really wondered, "don't they get mad" ?]

well for one the score was 21-0 like 3 minutes into the game so i think they were just shocked and had no time to get mad before the game was basically over.


as for a fire.
doesn't it have to start at the top?
i mean the defense has a little cuz they have the feeling that they are good and have playmakers.
childress's idea of lighting a fire is choosing to kickoff against tennesse cuz his kao can't score and hes waiting for the defense to do it for him.
but isn't that attitude right there a perfect example of why this team does look flat alot of the time.
his gameplan in itself does not exactly inspire the fans to get rowdy.
"play defense, run the ball, if we have to punt its better than a turnover."


and what about heart too.
do we look like a team that fights to the end, or when we are down late? we seem hopeless.
and this is over the whole 3 years.
and again a great example is in the tennesse game where we just punt with 2 minutes left.
what do you think that tells the players?
its okay to quit?
dont bother even trying cuz it seems unfathomable?
just think about how childress carries himself and when you hear him talk and compare it to how we look on the field.
boring, uninteresting, alot of hype but not much production.
i've come to the conclusion that childress is to blame for almost everything.
our shitty economy.
the war in iraq.
my 30 lb weight gain over the last 3 years, global warming, why we can't get a new stadium, the bird flu.
okay i think you get my point.

Purple Floyd
10-05-2008, 10:09 AM
"ragz" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


I live in north Texas, so I heard Michael Irvin on the radio the other day. He was talking about the Cowboys losing to the Redskins, and he said, back in his day (1990s), he or "someone" would have just gotten really mad, said something in the locker room, maybe even started a fight, to motivate the team to get better and to "not take it anymore".

I remember reading about a game in the 1970s when the Vikings were losing in the playoffs, and one of the D-linemen went absolutely berserk in the lockerroom. I think it was Eller or Page. Probably Eller. The tirade got so bad that Tarkenton actually locked himself into a locker !!

My question is, I really wonder if this is now happening on our team. Or does this not happen in the "modern NFL", where everyone just showers and leaves. Are we mad enough ? Are people stepping up in the locker room like this, when it is necessary ? And who would that guy be ? Just wondering.

[one of the games that has really bothered me over the years as a long-term Vikings fan was that game back against the Giants about 7 years ago, when they beat us 41-0. No one seemed mad. No one stepped up. It really bugged me. No one put a wicked hit on someone - legal or illegal to spark a flame. I really wondered, "don't they get mad" ?]

well for one the score was 21-0 like 3 minutes into the game so i think they were just shocked and had no time to get mad before the game was basically over.


as for a fire.
doesn't it have to start at the top?
i mean the defense has a little cuz they have the feeling that they are good and have playmakers.
childress's idea of lighting a fire is choosing to kickoff against tennesse cuz his kao can't score and hes waiting for the defense to do it for him.
but isn't that attitude right there a perfect example of why this team does look flat alot of the time.
his gameplan in itself does not exactly inspire the fans to get rowdy.
"play defense, run the ball, if we have to punt its better than a turnover."


and what about heart too.
do we look like a team that fights to the end, or when we are down late? we seem hopeless.
and this is over the whole 3 years.
and again a great example is in the tennesse game where we just punt with 2 minutes left.
what do you think that tells the players?
its okay to quit?
dont bother even trying cuz it seems unfathomable?
just think about how childress carries himself and when you hear him talk and compare it to how we look on the field.
boring, uninteresting, alot of hype but not much production.
i've come to the conclusion that childress is to blame for almost everything.
our shitty economy.
the war in iraq.
my 30 lb weight gain over the last 3 years, global warming, why we can't get a new stadium, the bird flu.
okay i think you get my point.


Just being down by 21 in the first does.t mean the game is over.

ragz
10-06-2008, 05:51 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


I live in north Texas, so I heard Michael Irvin on the radio the other day. He was talking about the Cowboys losing to the Redskins, and he said, back in his day (1990s), he or "someone" would have just gotten really mad, said something in the locker room, maybe even started a fight, to motivate the team to get better and to "not take it anymore".

I remember reading about a game in the 1970s when the Vikings were losing in the playoffs, and one of the D-linemen went absolutely berserk in the lockerroom. I think it was Eller or Page. Probably Eller. The tirade got so bad that Tarkenton actually locked himself into a locker !!

My question is, I really wonder if this is now happening on our team. Or does this not happen in the "modern NFL", where everyone just showers and leaves. Are we mad enough ? Are people stepping up in the locker room like this, when it is necessary ? And who would that guy be ? Just wondering.

[one of the games that has really bothered me over the years as a long-term Vikings fan was that game back against the Giants about 7 years ago, when they beat us 41-0. No one seemed mad. No one stepped up. It really bugged me. No one put a wicked hit on someone - legal or illegal to spark a flame. I really wondered, "don't they get mad" ?]

well for one the score was 21-0 like 3 minutes into the game so i think they were just shocked and had no time to get mad before the game was basically over.


as for a fire.
doesn't it have to start at the top?
i mean the defense has a little cuz they have the feeling that they are good and have playmakers.
childress's idea of lighting a fire is choosing to kickoff against tennesse cuz his kao can't score and hes waiting for the defense to do it for him.
but isn't that attitude right there a perfect example of why this team does look flat alot of the time.
his gameplan in itself does not exactly inspire the fans to get rowdy.
"play defense, run the ball, if we have to punt its better than a turnover."


and what about heart too.
do we look like a team that fights to the end, or when we are down late? we seem hopeless.
and this is over the whole 3 years.
and again a great example is in the tennesse game where we just punt with 2 minutes left.
what do you think that tells the players?
its okay to quit?
dont bother even trying cuz it seems unfathomable?
just think about how childress carries himself and when you hear him talk and compare it to how we look on the field.
boring, uninteresting, alot of hype but not much production.
i've come to the conclusion that childress is to blame for almost everything.
our poohie economy.
the war in iraq.
my 30 lb weight gain over the last 3 years, global warming, why we can't get a new stadium, the bird flu.
okay i think you get my point.


Just being down by 21 in the first does.t mean the game is over.

who said that, but if you are down 21-0 after 3 minutes on the road in the biggest game of the year, mad is probably not the first thing that would pop in my mind.
in fact, it wasn't while i was watching that game.
i literally could not believe what just happened.
and the vikes kinda looked the same.
plus our secondary was just flatout terrible so all the anger in the world wouldnt have helped them cover anyone.

Mark_The_Viking
10-06-2008, 07:51 AM
If it is anything like soccer here in England it is all about money and that there is too much of it. Back in the 60s and 70s there was a player for Manchester United called Bobby Charlton, a very well liked and respected player who played for England during the glory days (well the 66 world cup win anyway) he said the first time he walked into the dressing room and saw hi England shirt he just stared at it and couldn't beleive he was going to wear it.

He would have worn that shirt for free and was hugely proud to do so. modern players see it as a way to earn more money and frankly if they didn't get paid the majority wouldn't play for their country.

I think Cris Carter said something similar about pulling on a Vikings shirt. sadly that is what we are lacking. The simple passion of just wanting to go out there and play for the fans, for your team mates but most of all for yourself and the pride of leaving the field saying I did my best, I gave it all I had.

Winning or losing if you can leave the field like that, good enough for me.

/ Brit Rant off