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COJOMAY
10-01-2008, 05:21 PM
We would have six less wins under Chilly's KAO if it weren't for the defense in the last three years. If my memory serves me correctly here's the games we won because of the defense:

Washington in 06
Cards in 06
Detroit in 06
Chicago in 07
Oakland in 07
Chicago in 07

In fact, I only remember four wins in three years where the KAO really did well. And isn't Chilly suppose to be an offensive genius? Wasn't he a offensive coordinator with the Eagles and the same in Wisconsin. What the heck has happened?
With us playing the Saints on Monday this KAO offense better start coming alive or we'll lose another one because the defense can't score enough points to keep up with Brees.

VikingsTw
10-01-2008, 05:31 PM
It gets sad when you start hoping the defense will score points so we can win. I get that feeling too much.

We have played some pretty stout defenses especailly since Frerotte has been in, hopefully we can make it happen versus the Saints and continue to do so.

gagarr
10-01-2008, 05:34 PM
I'm not a Chilly fan and I do think his offense is unimaginative.

But Chilly as HC also as something to do with the defense.
Just because he comes from an offensive background doesn't mean he doesn't get involved in the defensive training and game plan.

I'm not going to take any wins from Chilly (the few there are), whether the offense scored or the defense scored.

Vikeman
10-01-2008, 05:39 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


We would have six less wins under Chilly's KAO if it weren't for the defense in the last three years. If my memory serves me correctly here's the games we won because of the defense:

Washington in 06
Cards in 06
Detroit in 06
Chicago in 07
Oakland in 07
Chicago in 07

In fact, I only remember four wins in three years where the KAO really did well. And isn't Chilly suppose to be an offensive genius? Wasn't he a offensive coordinator with the Eagles and the same in Wisconsin. What the heck has happened?
With us playing the Saints on Monday this KAO offense better start coming alive or we'll lose another one because the defense can't score enough points to keep up with Brees.

If after 2-1/4 seasons of a passing attack that wouldn't scare Boise State's defense and showing not ONE iota of improvement, I believe this franchise is in serious trouble.
It is the same offense we have seen since Childress's debut.
His offense in Philly was nothing special--especially the receiver corp.
It's almost like Groundhog Day.

MaxVike
10-01-2008, 05:42 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


We would have six less wins under Chilly's KAO if it weren't for the defense in the last three years. If my memory serves me correctly here's the games we won because of the defense:

Washington in 06
Cards in 06
Detroit in 06
Chicago in 07
Oakland in 07
Chicago in 07

In fact, I only remember four wins in three years where the KAO really did well. And isn't Chilly suppose to be an offensive genius? Wasn't he a offensive coordinator with the Eagles and the same in Wisconsin. What the heck has happened?
With us playing the Saints on Monday this KAO offense better start coming alive or we'll lose another one because the defense can't score enough points to keep up with Brees.


Yikes, THAT puts it into perspective.
Not sure if it's a straight line correlation to wins or losses, but, your observation is certainly humbling.
I was fortunate enough to have had the Vikes D/ST in Fantasy the last couple of years.
In our League yards, nor score against is measured...just touchdowns, Ints and sacks.
The Vikes D/ST scored more points than all but 1 TE and more than half of the RBs and WRs, AND any Kicker.

Oh, back on point, sorry...Chilly had McNabb in Philly.
With the Vikes, he jumped up in the draft to grab a guy he thought was the second coming.
He was wrong; at least in the short-term.
I don't know if anyone here in Philly would ever have called Childress an offensive genius.
However, the KAO has certainly been a dud to date.

There is absolutely no question that before the season, we all concurred that the Vikes needed improved play from the QB position to win more games.
This year, again, we haven't had that; again.
Not sure when we are gonna have that, let's hope it doesn't take us as long as it took the Cowboys.
What I am sure of is that you are 100% correct with your last sentence...a shootout and we come home 1-4.
The defense and AD are gonna need to come up BIGTIME in this game.

El Vikingo
10-01-2008, 05:49 PM
What have we done to deserve this offense?
:'(

gagarr
10-01-2008, 06:01 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


We would have six less wins under Chilly's KAO if it weren't for the defense in the last three years. If my memory serves me correctly here's the games we won because of the defense:

Washington in 06
Cards in 06
Detroit in 06
Chicago in 07
Oakland in 07
Chicago in 07

In fact, I only remember four wins in three years where the KAO really did well. And isn't Chilly suppose to be an offensive genius? Wasn't he a offensive coordinator with the Eagles and the same in Wisconsin. What the heck has happened?
With us playing the Saints on Monday this KAO offense better start coming alive or we'll lose another one because the defense can't score enough points to keep up with Brees.


I wouldn't be fooled by how the offense did against the Titans (5th ranked defenses) compared to the Saints (27th ranked defense).

The offense should shine.

On the other side, the Saints passing offense is ranked #1, with the Vikes passing D ranked #17, I will expect the defense to struggle.

So if the Vikes lose 48-45, will you call it a defensive loss?

VikesFan4Life
10-01-2008, 06:04 PM
This season?
0-4

Overall, I'm not really sure.

As far as Childress being an "offensive genius", I might be wrong, but I don't ever recall anyone (whose opinion on coaches mattered anyhow) ever referring to him as a genius in that department.


He didn't call plays in Philly, he just put together the gameplan.
I'm not really sure what that entails, but I'm not sure how much input he had into the overall development of the offense there.
I think Andy Reid had more to do with that.


As for his credit in the development of Donovan McNabb, I'm hesitant to give him any credit there because he's done nothing so far to prove to me that he can groom a QB here, although most coaches would tell you that developing a Div. 1-AA QB from Alabama St. into a good NFL QB is no easy task.

jmcdon00
10-01-2008, 06:09 PM
"gagarr" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


We would have six less wins under Chilly's KAO if it weren't for the defense in the last three years. If my memory serves me correctly here's the games we won because of the defense:

Washington in 06
Cards in 06
Detroit in 06
Chicago in 07
Oakland in 07
Chicago in 07

In fact, I only remember four wins in three years where the KAO really did well. And isn't Chilly suppose to be an offensive genius? Wasn't he a offensive coordinator with the Eagles and the same in Wisconsin. What the heck has happened?
With us playing the Saints on Monday this KAO offense better start coming alive or we'll lose another one because the defense can't score enough points to keep up with Brees.


I wouldn't be fooled by how the offense did against the Titans (5th ranked defenses) compared to the Saints (27th ranked defense).

The offense should shine.

On the other side, the Saints passing offense is ranked #1, with the Vikes passing D ranked #17, I will expect the defense to struggle.

So if the Vikes lose 48-45, will you call it a defensive loss?



If the offense scores 45 I will shit my pants. I don't know what I'll do if they score 45 and lose, probably shit myself again.

NodakPaul
10-01-2008, 06:16 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


If the offense scores 45 I will pooh my pants. I don't know what I'll do if they score 45 and lose, probably pooh myself again.


LMFAO.
Best line ever.

V4L
10-01-2008, 06:17 PM
HAHHHAAAAAAAA

gagarr
10-01-2008, 06:47 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"gagarr" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


We would have six less wins under Chilly's KAO if it weren't for the defense in the last three years. If my memory serves me correctly here's the games we won because of the defense:

Washington in 06
Cards in 06
Detroit in 06
Chicago in 07
Oakland in 07
Chicago in 07

In fact, I only remember four wins in three years where the KAO really did well. And isn't Chilly suppose to be an offensive genius? Wasn't he a offensive coordinator with the Eagles and the same in Wisconsin. What the heck has happened?
With us playing the Saints on Monday this KAO offense better start coming alive or we'll lose another one because the defense can't score enough points to keep up with Brees.


I wouldn't be fooled by how the offense did against the Titans (5th ranked defenses) compared to the Saints (27th ranked defense).

The offense should shine.

On the other side, the Saints passing offense is ranked #1, with the Vikes passing D ranked #17, I will expect the defense to struggle.

So if the Vikes lose 48-45, will you call it a defensive loss?



If the offense scores 45 I will pooh my pants. I don't know what I'll do if they score 45 and lose, probably pooh myself again.


Better put on a clean pair of Depends
;)

ItalianStallion
10-01-2008, 08:14 PM
Lets not forget that the majority of this defense was put together without any input from Childress:

Pat/Kevin Williams, Winfield, Sharper, EJ, etc.
were carry overs from Tice's days.
Hell, even Leber was Foley's idea.

Meanwhile Childress has completed fubar'd the quarterback and WR positions since he got here.

Chazz
10-01-2008, 11:52 PM
"El" wrote:


What have we done to deserve this offense?
:'(


Trade Randy Moss.
:'(

VikingsTw
10-02-2008, 12:02 AM
"Chazz" wrote:


"El" wrote:


What have we done to deserve this offense?
:'(


Trade Randy Moss.
:'(


That was a bad day for the most part but even some of his truest fans understand why it had to happen. It would been so much easier to stomach that trade if we had drafted a real football player like Derrrick Johnson or Demarcus Ware. Considering this sig I made back in the day they could have handed me the reins. I said NOOOOO to Troy Williamson the track athlete.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/DJSig.jpg

ragz
10-02-2008, 01:36 AM
where would we be if we had the ravens defense, or titans?
we have been good, but were 1-3 and theres a handful of teams winning with only defense.
and there qbs are just as unimpressive.
so lets not blow too much smoke up our own asses.

V4L
10-02-2008, 02:05 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Chazz" wrote:


"El" wrote:


What have we done to deserve this offense?
:'(


Trade Randy Moss.
:'(


That was a bad day for the most part but even some of his truest fans understand why it had to happen. It would been so much easier to stomach that trade if we had drafted a real football player like Derrrick Johnson or Demarcus Ware. Considering this sig I made back in the day they could have handed me the reins. I said NOOOOO to Troy Williamson the track athlete.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/DJSig.jpg



I remember that

You and I were basically the only two who wanted DJ

People were worried about him

smokinthapurple
10-02-2008, 02:42 AM
dude i loved DJ
i was praising about him
to everyone, i wanted him badly

PurpleTide
10-02-2008, 07:16 AM
It's nice to have this conversation. Our defense has been stout this year, and will keep us in games until our struggling offense can find it's "Mid-Season Form". Hopefully the O will come around and put together a comeplete game. Against the Saints Monday look for us to control the clock with AD, and try to keep the ball away from Brees, and Co. It will probably be another vanilla looking run first KAO, that we've all become used to. With McKinnie coming back we will dominate the LOS, and Adrian, and Chester will combine for 200 rushing yards.

This could be a big game for our defense too, as the Saints like to throw the ball. It's time to pressure the QB into making mistakes. Our defense has played well keeping us in everygame, now the offense must get in sync, and produce the rest of the season. After all football is the best "TEAM" game.

ConnecticutViking
10-02-2008, 09:54 AM
Let's see... we would be 0-4 instead of 1-3. Chilly sucks and the defense really hasn't been anything to write home about.
Yes, it has been our bright side this year, but really.
When you are predicted to be win the division and start the season 1-3. I guess looking at the bright side is all we can do.

i_bleed_purple
10-02-2008, 10:21 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:

Where would we be without the defense?



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funkyasflea
10-02-2008, 10:27 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:

Where would we be without the defense?



http://www.nflfootballstadiums.com/images/Detroit-Lions-Logo.gif


Nice, we would need a better QB for that though.

i_bleed_purple
10-02-2008, 10:51 AM
"funkyasflea" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:

Where would we be without the defense?



http://www.nflfootballstadiums.com/images/Detroit-Lions-Logo.gif


Nice, we would need a better QB for that though.


and recievers

V4L
10-02-2008, 12:30 PM
0-4 no doubt

gregair13
10-02-2008, 12:44 PM
Where would any team be without some sort of defence? this is a dumb question.

V4L
10-02-2008, 12:46 PM
"gregair13" wrote:


Where would any team be without some sort of defence? this is a dumb question.



He means without a good defense

Cuz it seems like they win games for us

C Mac D
10-02-2008, 01:04 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"gregair13" wrote:


Where would any team be without some sort of defence? this is a dumb question.



He means without a good defense

Cuz it seems like they win games for us


Games? Plural?

No...

CTVikingfan
10-02-2008, 01:04 PM
In a stadium in LA probably.

28AllDay
10-02-2008, 05:56 PM
so, are Henderson and Edwards going to be playing in week 5??

V4L
10-02-2008, 05:57 PM
"C" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"gregair13" wrote:


Where would any team be without some sort of defence? this is a dumb question.



He means without a good defense

Cuz it seems like they win games for us


Games? Plural?

No...



In the last few years yes

For the first couple weeks last year our D had more touchdowns then our offense