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V4L
09-17-2008, 02:28 PM
We have a official fan club one so his fans can post in there

The people that aren't too happy with the move keep the posts in here

V4L
09-17-2008, 02:30 PM
Too many Gus threads?

ultravikingfan
09-17-2008, 02:30 PM
Offical?

Roll another one dude!
http://bestsmileys.com/smoking/6.gif

Schutz
09-17-2008, 02:31 PM
Since we have the OFFICAL T-Jack thread, shouldn't there be an offical Gus thread now to combined everything?

farvathevikinglover
09-17-2008, 02:33 PM
I am not too happy. I still think the best choice would be to keep in Tjack and pass more. He plays better when he gets the chance to get in a rhythm, so I say we give him that chance instead of having him hand it off the whole first half. But apparently we're going to give Gus the chance to hand it off the whole first half and see if he can pull something out out of nowhere later on.

Clueless better plan on passing more, because simply replacing Tjack but still running the same gameplan isn't going to be much of an improvement.

IF I should happen to be wrong, I will eat the crow. But I don't think that's the case. I think it still will come down to Clueless' playcalling.

V4L
09-17-2008, 02:34 PM
NO cuz they have the offical fan club that ppl who dont like him cant post in

funkyasflea
09-17-2008, 02:34 PM
I love Gus!
I think it will be a great thing for the team.
Hopefully he has the locker room too.

V4L
09-17-2008, 02:35 PM
Use ur thread Flea!

HEY
09-17-2008, 02:38 PM
I wouldn't go so far to say that I'm disgust for Gus.
Maybe I should start a "I-don't-think-Gus-is-very-good-but-may-serve-as-a-temporary-solution" thread...

DustinDupont
09-17-2008, 02:40 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Use ur thread Flea!

+1

Purple Jesus
09-17-2008, 02:40 PM
I have a feeling that Childress will finally open up the playbook and we win, then he'll be passed off as a shrewd mastermind and everyone jumps all over him.

DustinDupont
09-17-2008, 02:43 PM
Gus is not the answer... i really cant believe this is true... im so pissed

jmcdon00
09-17-2008, 02:45 PM
2 games? Seriously who gets benched after 2 fricken games against 2 teams that were both in the top 6 in defense a year ago? I want Tjack back.

farvathevikinglover
09-17-2008, 02:46 PM
"Purple" wrote:


I have a feeling that Childress will finally open up the playbook and we win, then he'll be passed off as a shrewd mastermind and everyone jumps all over him.


That is what I'm afraid of. Okay, maybe not afraid of, because I want us to win. But they'll think he was a genius for benching Tjack when the fact is he was stupid and/or stubborn for not opeing up the playbook and passing more before now

V4L
09-17-2008, 02:48 PM
I hope we do good but I dont think Gus will help

funkyasflea
09-17-2008, 02:50 PM
"DustinDupont" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Use ur thread Flea!

+1

-1

NodakPaul
09-17-2008, 02:50 PM
"HEY" wrote:


I wouldn't go so far to say that I'm disgust for Gus.
Maybe I should start a "I-don't-think-Gus-is-very-good-but-may-serve-as-a-temporary-solution" thread...


I would post in that one! ;D

Webby
09-17-2008, 02:52 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


2 games? Seriously who gets benched after 2 fricken games against 2 teams that were both in the top 6 in defense a year ago? I want Tjack back.


Probably the guy who did not so well last year either and his record is positive due to AP.
Just a thought.

Or, the tape doesn't lie and the coaches said, Fuck, we need someone, anyone to replace this kid who's afraid to pee now.

funkyasflea
09-17-2008, 02:54 PM
He's not a long term solution by any means, but I think he is the answer for THIS season.
I think management will have a different plan for the franchise this coming offseason, but they are focused on winning as much as they can NOW.


Kind of funny, everyone on this site was asking for TJack's head yesterday, now they are already after Gus????
To tell you the truth I am getting a little disturbed by fans of my own team.
Here's an idea, if you have an idea that can save this season and is something that is seemingly doable how about you say it, otherwise I am pleased with our team's decision.
I think it gives us the best chance to win on Sunday.

COJOMAY
09-17-2008, 02:54 PM
What makes this thread "official?"

C Mac D
09-17-2008, 02:55 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


What makes this thread "official?"


Cap locks

Jim Kleinsasser #40
09-17-2008, 03:07 PM
Gus SUCKS!!!

PurplePackerEater
09-17-2008, 03:13 PM
I, for one, welcome a chance at victory.

vikings4life33
09-17-2008, 03:31 PM
"HEY" wrote:


I wouldn't go so far to say that I'm disgust for Gus.
Maybe I should start a "I-don't-think-Gus-is-very-good-but-may-serve-as-a-temporary-solution" thread...


i am with you on this one. It comes down to pick your posin. Gus wont kill us as fast

benjamite
09-17-2008, 03:36 PM
There goes our season. 2008 Minnesota Vikings, 2-14

Chazz
09-17-2008, 03:52 PM
"V4L" wrote:


I hope we do good but I dont think Gus will help


I with you there...I think the offense is fundamentally flawed.

gagarr
09-17-2008, 04:08 PM
"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


I, for one, welcome a chance at victory.


+1

TJ didn't work out, it's a smart move to change.

Gus is that change, which give us a chance to win.

Bretto007
09-17-2008, 04:27 PM
I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.

V4L
09-17-2008, 04:31 PM
"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.





Excellent post my friend

Chilldress is horrible

His schemes suck and game planning and adjustments aren't there

T-jack could go a anywhere else and do good

He really hasn't played that bad this year

marstc09
09-17-2008, 04:38 PM
"V4L" wrote:


I hope we do good but I dont think Gus will help


TJ was really getting the job done.
::)

marstc09
09-17-2008, 04:40 PM
"Jim" wrote:


Gus SUCKS!!!


TJ swallows. What's your point?

V4L
09-17-2008, 04:40 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


I hope we do good but I dont think Gus will help


TJ was really getting the job done.
::)



Did I say anything bout T-jack? No so sit down

I just said I hope Gus helps

So for further understanding... Help the team I mean improve

So hopefully Gus can improve the team.. Got it?

marstc09
09-17-2008, 04:41 PM
"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.



You will find out soon that this statement is false.

jmcdon00
09-17-2008, 04:42 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.





Excellent post my friend

Chilldress is horrible

His schemes suck and game planning and adjustments aren't there

T-jack could go a anywhere else and do good

He really hasn't played that bad this year

Even if the coaching sucks the players should still over come. In the end football is about blocking, throwing, running, catching etc. A great coach might make a team 10% better a bad coach might make a team 10% worse. Games are won and lossed by the players on the field.
Coaches and quarterbacks are the ones who get all the blame though. Denny Green sucked, Mike Tice sucked, Chilly sucks. Unless we win a superbowl the next coach will suck too.

marstc09
09-17-2008, 04:42 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


I hope we do good but I dont think Gus will help


TJ was really getting the job done.
::)



Did I say anything bout T-jack? No so sit down

I just said I hope Gus helps

So for further understanding... Help the team I mean improve

So hopefully Gus can improve the team.. Got it?


I am already sitting. Got it?

V4L
09-17-2008, 04:43 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


I hope we do good but I dont think Gus will help


TJ was really getting the job done.
::)



Did I say anything bout T-jack? No so sit down

I just said I hope Gus helps

So for further understanding... Help the team I mean improve

So hopefully Gus can improve the team.. Got it?


I am already sitting. Got it?



Good its where you should be

Love how you have nothing else to say after you try to call people out

It's very cool

marstc09
09-17-2008, 04:45 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


I hope we do good but I dont think Gus will help


TJ was really getting the job done.
::)



Did I say anything bout T-jack? No so sit down

I just said I hope Gus helps

So for further understanding... Help the team I mean improve

So hopefully Gus can improve the team.. Got it?


I am already sitting. Got it?



Good its where you should be

Love how you have nothing else to say after you try to call people out

It's very cool


What did you call me out on? BTW I am not sure if you are aware of this but you don't decide if I am cool or not. Pathetic.

V4L
09-17-2008, 04:48 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:




I hope we do good but I dont think Gus will help


TJ was really getting the job done.
::)



Did I say anything bout T-jack? No so sit down

I just said I hope Gus helps

So for further understanding... Help the team I mean improve

So hopefully Gus can improve the team.. Got it?


I am already sitting. Got it?



Good its where you should be

Love how you have nothing else to say after you try to call people out

It's very cool


What did you call me out on? BTW I am not sure if you are aware of this but you don't decide if I am cool or not. Pathetic.



You always nit pick and try to throw in stupid little comments... I said nothing about T-jack and that means I said T-jack was doing well? All I said was I hope Gus helps and that means I meant T-jack was doing awesome? I don't get it

And did I say u were cool or not? No

Wow
::)

Bkfldviking
09-17-2008, 04:50 PM
I think there has been a sudden rise in testostarone around here (along with a few sensitive shoulders) ;D

jmcdon00
09-17-2008, 04:54 PM
"gagarr" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


I, for one, welcome a chance at victory.


+1

TJ didn't work out, it's a smart move to change.

Gus is that change, which give us a chance to win.


2 fricken games we lost, and it definetly wasn't all Tjacks fault, he only has 1 int for crying out loud.
Jackson was 8-4 last year, the backups were 0-4.
It is his 3rd season, 2nd as a starter, he's gonna have bad games, doesn't mean he doesn't give the team a chance to win.
Ferote boy has been sucking for much longer. The last 3 years his QB rating have been 2007-58.3, 2006-67.4, 2005-71.9. He is 37 years old and getting older every day, and probably worse. Tjack is young and getting better.

V4L
09-17-2008, 04:55 PM
Anyways since this is a GUS thread and not a TJACK thread like someone wanted to make it out to be i'll continue

Although Gus has experience that doesn't translate into talent

Im hoping I am wrong but through out his career he hasn't really shown to be a guy that protects the ball or light up the scoreboard

Personally I see failure.. But im totally hoping that with a good team Gus can show why he is still in the league after 15 years

SamOchoCinco
09-17-2008, 04:56 PM
yeahhhh. mar what ever your name is.

read before you react please.

marstc09
09-17-2008, 04:57 PM
Gus has experience that translates into better decisions.

soonerbornNbred
09-17-2008, 04:57 PM
Tjack got what he deserved......Gus for prez

truly not sure Gus is the answer but I know TJ WASNT

SO4NOW

GUS4PREZ

marstc09
09-17-2008, 04:59 PM
"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


yeahhhh. mar what ever your name is.

read before you react please.



I am sorry I didn't even catch your name. I have been through college and am in grad school. I understand how it works. Don't need a lesson from someone in high school.

V4L
09-17-2008, 04:59 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


Gus has experience that translates into better decisions.



Judging this from his brilliant year last year?

What do u base this off of?

V4L
09-17-2008, 05:00 PM
"soonerbornNbred" wrote:


Tjack got what he deserved......Gus for prez

truly not sure Gus is the answer but I know TJ WASNT

SO4NOW

GUS4PREZ



Go ahead and post in the Gus Fans thread

This isn't a Jackson or a Gus appreciation thread

Thank you

marstc09
09-17-2008, 05:01 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus has experience that translates into better decisions.



Judging this from his brilliant year last year?

What do u base this off of?


Experience over TJ. Pay attention.

Zeus
09-17-2008, 05:01 PM
"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


yeahhhh. mar what ever your name is.

read before you react please.



Hey, Sam - if this is how you make up for past mis-deeds, it's not really working.

=Z=

V4L
09-17-2008, 05:03 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus has experience that translates into better decisions.



Judging this from his brilliant year last year?

What do u base this off of?


Experience over TJ. Pay attention.


There are plenty of QBs that have been in the league many years and still can't read a D

So I guess we will see?

From the past it shows that he really couldn't

So I will go with that til he proves that he can

marstc09
09-17-2008, 05:05 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus has experience that translates into better decisions.



Judging this from his brilliant year last year?

What do u base this off of?


Experience over TJ. Pay attention.


There are plenty of QBs that have been in the league many years and still can't read a D

So I guess we will see?

From the past it shows that he really couldn't

So I will go with that til he proves that he can


If anything this will prove that Chilly is more of the problem and he will be fired at the end of the year.

V4L
09-17-2008, 05:07 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus has experience that translates into better decisions.



Judging this from his brilliant year last year?

What do u base this off of?


Experience over TJ. Pay attention.


There are plenty of QBs that have been in the league many years and still can't read a D

So I guess we will see?

From the past it shows that he really couldn't

So I will go with that til he proves that he can


If anything this will prove that Chilly is more of the problem and he will be fired at the end of the year.




So hopefully either way something good happens
:)

Either Gus proves me wrong (I really really really do hope he does and I do support him) and does real well, or he fails and Chilly is gone

Win win right?

snowinapril
09-17-2008, 05:08 PM
Gus has not played ONE regular season game with this team and there is disgust for him.
LOL!

Give the guy a chance!

Last season Gus was with a team that had so many injuries that it was a walking MASH unit.

marstc09
09-17-2008, 05:10 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


Gus has not played ONE regular season game with this team and there is disgust for him.
LOL!

Give the guy a chance!

Last season Gus was with a team that had so many injuries that it was a walking MASH unit.



Exactly! TJ had his chance. It will do him some good to sit and watch.

V4L
09-17-2008, 05:11 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


Gus has not played ONE regular season game with this team and there is disgust for him.
LOL!

Give the guy a chance!

Last season Gus was with a team that had so many injuries that it was a walking MASH unit.






I think most people will give Gus a shot and are stayin cautiously optimistic

Garland Greene
09-17-2008, 08:54 PM
cabn we havea official I am not sure yet but lets see what happens to Gus thread ;D ;D

ragz
09-17-2008, 09:00 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


Gus has not played ONE regular season game with this team and there is disgust for him.
LOL!

Give the guy a chance!

Last season Gus was with a team that had so many injuries that it was a walking MASH unit.


i think the disgust is more guided towards childress.
most viking fans i believe are hoping it works, i think they are just a bit pessimistic cuz they realize childress is still running things so why would things be different?

kevoncox
09-17-2008, 09:00 PM
Gus sucks!

HornedHat
09-17-2008, 09:07 PM
I've seen the T-Jack movie. Gus may not be a lights out option, but I think he SHOULD have better poise in the pocket, which SHOULD equal some more receptions. From what I've seen of T-Jack, he doesn't have any poise (at least not yet). He hasn't ever had sucess at this level, so he has no memory of how to catch fire. Gus has at least had some sucess. We don't exactly have many options to go with. I'm thinking Gus is good for at least thw or three more 3rd down conversions.

jkjuggalo
09-17-2008, 09:20 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


Gus has not played ONE regular season game with this team and there is disgust for him.
LOL!

Give the guy a chance!

Last season Gus was with a team that had so many injuries that it was a walking MASH unit.



Exactly! TJ had his chance. It will do him some good to sit and watch.


Why?
Gus is not exactly an NFL Legend, let alone a good quarterback.
His career statistics are pedestrian, though I will grant that he has played for some pretty horrible teams.


BTW, TJ has not had his chance.
If every QB had less than a season's worth of starting experience, there would be a lot of HoF passers out on the streets.
I'm not suggesting TJack will ever be in the HoF, but I'm saying we are not giving him a fair shake.

I was just as frustrated as everyone else with our offense's performance these past couple of weeks, but I think the coaching staff and the receivers have to shoulder the lion's share of the blame here.
The coaches did little to help TJ develop a rythym, and the receiving corps not getting separation and dropping balls when they did sure didn't help matters.

Maybe there is more to the story than we know, but this seems like a rash decision made by an organization that is desperate to please their finicky, whiny, and shallow fans.
Unfortunately our team seems to have a lot of those, which is part of the reason our teams never seem to develop chemistry IMO.
Vikings fans love to find a target or two to blame for all the team's problems.
I don't know if this tradition is a result of losing 4 Super Bowls or what, all I know is that we need to support our players through the good times and the bad...not boo them for every minor mistake.

That being said, I hope Gus doesn't cost us the game this Sunday and he plays well.
I also hope that this is just temporary, because my thought is that Childress is protecting his young QBs psyche from being scarred by those ruthless home "fans."
Just watch, TJack will be back within 2 weeks.

Bretto007
09-17-2008, 10:29 PM
Its unheard of to bench your starting Quarterback after 2 games.


The people who are excited to see Gus play remind me of the same people who excited to see Holcomb and Brooks Bollinger play last year.

marstc09
09-17-2008, 10:30 PM
"Bretto007" wrote:


Its unheard of to bench your starting Quarterback after 2 games.


The people who are excited to see Gus play remind me of the same people who excited to see Holcomb and Brooks Bollinger play last year.




My excitement for Gus is not even close to hatred for Brooks.

StillPurple
09-17-2008, 10:48 PM
Bottom line: Gus can read a defense, and Tarvaris can't.

erik5032
09-17-2008, 10:50 PM
He can actually throw a ball... he may not have the athleticism T-Jack has but if he can't throw the ball is he not just a glorified running back?

StillPurple
09-17-2008, 10:52 PM
It is not that Tarvaris can't throw a ball. We all know he has a strong arm. The problem is that he cannot read NFL defenses.

I have been saying this on this site for at least a year, and have been called a "hater" for it. But now it seems that Childress (even !) has come around.

It is really simple: Tarvaris is Akili Smith or Cordell Stewart. I still can't believe that Childress wanted to build his entire team around this guy. It is mind-boggling.

Schutz
09-17-2008, 10:57 PM
"erik5032" wrote:


He can actually throw a ball... he may not have the athleticism T-Jack has but if he can't throw the ball is he not just a glorified running back?


See now that would be interesting.
Have a run first pass later QB combined with a high powered running back core.

StillPurple
09-17-2008, 11:03 PM
I want a QB who knows how to check down and read a defense. Watch McNabb or any NFL QB and then watch Tarvaris, and tell me T-Jacks is anywhere in that league. They read defenses and check down. T-Jacks locks onto his primary receiver and then just runs downfield when that guy is covered. It is painfully evident: this guy is NOT a starting QB in the NFL. Period.

midgensa
09-17-2008, 11:05 PM
In Gus I Trust ... but more because I have to. I have no problems with Gus Frerotte ... he is just being asked to do a job, BUT I don't know that he provides anything that T-Jack doesn't.
I think the vanilla play-calling is getting stale and it will be just as stale with Gus at QB. I feel like I am watching myself play Madden ... the same 8 or 9 play calls a game ... except in Madden it OWNS!
I guess we will see what happens, but I think I fall more in this camp than the other because personally I was for leaving T-Jack in there.
ALL I WANT IS FOR THE TEAM TO FUCKING WIN though ... and I don't give two shits who the QB ... or ANY other player is ... if we are winning.

PacNWVike
09-17-2008, 11:09 PM
Gus will perform better than Jackson.
I just hope he stays healthy...

VikingsExpress
09-17-2008, 11:37 PM
Im not sure Gus is the answer, but Tjack is anything but the answer for the time being.
It just looked like he was trying to be defensive instead of offensive out there.
Thats not his purpose for being there so i think the right move was made.
Bwade said himself that the playbook might actually open up now that Gus is the man.
I can't believe they would put a QB out there if they didn't intend to use the whole playbook.
Again, if he doesn't have the ability then he doesn't need to be out there.
So the right move was made in my oppinion.

singersp
09-17-2008, 11:45 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


Since we have the OFFICAL T-Jack thread, shouldn't there be an offical Gus thread now to combined everything?


Not until several other duplicate threads are started.

snowinapril
09-18-2008, 12:20 AM
"Schutz" wrote:


"erik5032" wrote:


He can actually throw a ball... he may not have the athleticism T-Jack has but if he can't throw the ball is he not just a glorified running back?


See now that would be interesting.
Have a run first pass later QB combined with a high powered running back core.



Already tried in ATL, it was what was known as the Vick era.

Unless you are talking about the wishbone?

midgensa
09-18-2008, 12:47 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"erik5032" wrote:


He can actually throw a ball... he may not have the athleticism T-Jack has but if he can't throw the ball is he not just a glorified running back?


See now that would be interesting.
Have a run first pass later QB combined with a high powered running back core.



Already tried in ATL, it was what was known as the Vick era.

Unless you are talking about the wishbone?


Yeah ... and it was somewhat succesful. Of course ... Tarvaris cannot run ... or even throw ... like Vick.

AKViking
09-18-2008, 01:09 AM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


Gus has not played ONE regular season game with this team and there is disgust for him.
LOL!

Give the guy a chance!

Last season Gus was with a team that had so many injuries that it was a walking MASH unit.



Exactly! TJ had his chance. It will do him some good to sit and watch.


Why?
Gus is not exactly an NFL Legend, let alone a good quarterback.
His career statistics are pedestrian, though I will grant that he has played for some pretty horrible teams.


BTW, TJ has not had his chance.
If every QB had less than a season's worth of starting experience, there would be a lot of HoF passers out on the streets.
I'm not suggesting TJack will ever be in the HoF, but I'm saying we are not giving him a fair shake.

I was just as frustrated as everyone else with our offense's performance these past couple of weeks, but I think the coaching staff and the receivers have to shoulder the lion's share of the blame here.
The coaches did little to help TJ develop a rythym, and the receiving corps not getting separation and dropping balls when they did sure didn't help matters.

Maybe there is more to the story than we know, but this seems like a rash decision made by an organization that is desperate to please their finicky, whiny, and shallow fans.
Unfortunately our team seems to have a lot of those, which is part of the reason our teams never seem to develop chemistry IMO.
Vikings fans love to find a target or two to blame for all the team's problems.
I don't know if this tradition is a result of losing 4 Super Bowls or what, all I know is that we need to support our players through the good times and the bad...not boo them for every minor mistake.

That being said, I hope Gus doesn't cost us the game this Sunday and he plays well.
I also hope that this is just temporary, because my thought is that Childress is protecting his young QBs psyche from being scarred by those ruthless home "fans."
Just watch, TJack will be back within 2 weeks.



But we are finicky and whiny about our team not our fellow fans.
;)
And you can't rationally blame the fans for the lack of chemistry on any team, including ours.

The targeting of TJ is as much a result of the great reports we heard about his progress this off season from the Viking staff. I think we have seen that those reports were not based in reality(see my post in the "Gus is the man..." thread). That the progression of TJ has evaporated to whence it came. I was not in favor of his benching, but I can't say I'm disappointed that we are willing to try something different.

Most of us do support our players, however, as I stated before we haven't seen the vaunted improvements we were told of. Very high expectations by fans and low performance from players often result in the player(s) getting booed. If TJ can't take some fans venting frustration with his lackluster performance, he is too fragile to be a decent Qb in the NFL, let alone a good one.

I predict that TJ will be the starter again as well. Just not in two weeks; unless Gus gets hurt in that two week period. I also hope that when he does get another shot, he shows every bit and more of that progress we had placed our faith in.

V4L
09-18-2008, 01:32 AM
Gus blows

Storm
09-18-2008, 01:45 AM
The thing is, we do need a new leader. But the leader we need is a new fricking headcoach.

With Faildress and the current boneheaded playcalling, I just don't see Gus leading us to the playoffs.

V4L
09-18-2008, 01:53 AM
"Storm" wrote:


The thing is, we do need a new leader. But the leader we need is a new fricking headcoach.

With Faildress and the current boneheaded playcalling, I just don't see Gus leading us to the playoffs.



Ditto

I can see this now.. Since Gus can't move very well I see him getting bull rushed and either taking tons of sacks or tons of throws out of bounds

He is mediocore and the playcalling is horrible

I hope this all changes.. I hope for the best for Gus and his Minnesota Vikings

The Dropper
09-18-2008, 01:57 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Gus blows


Actually, it looks more to me like he inhales.

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/0/2005/09/08/320x240/images_sizedimage_251132451.jpg

V4L
09-18-2008, 01:59 AM
"The" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Gus blows


Actually, it looks more to me like he inhales.

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/0/2005/09/08/320x240/images_sizedimage_251132451.jpg



Looks like a washed up career mediocre QB
:D

jkjuggalo
09-18-2008, 02:23 AM
"AKViking" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


Gus has not played ONE regular season game with this team and there is disgust for him.
LOL!

Give the guy a chance!

Last season Gus was with a team that had so many injuries that it was a walking MASH unit.



Exactly! TJ had his chance. It will do him some good to sit and watch.


Why?
Gus is not exactly an NFL Legend, let alone a good quarterback.
His career statistics are pedestrian, though I will grant that he has played for some pretty horrible teams.


BTW, TJ has not had his chance.
If every QB had less than a season's worth of starting experience, there would be a lot of HoF passers out on the streets.
I'm not suggesting TJack will ever be in the HoF, but I'm saying we are not giving him a fair shake.

I was just as frustrated as everyone else with our offense's performance these past couple of weeks, but I think the coaching staff and the receivers have to shoulder the lion's share of the blame here.
The coaches did little to help TJ develop a rythym, and the receiving corps not getting separation and dropping balls when they did sure didn't help matters.

Maybe there is more to the story than we know, but this seems like a rash decision made by an organization that is desperate to please their finicky, whiny, and shallow fans.
Unfortunately our team seems to have a lot of those, which is part of the reason our teams never seem to develop chemistry IMO.
Vikings fans love to find a target or two to blame for all the team's problems.
I don't know if this tradition is a result of losing 4 Super Bowls or what, all I know is that we need to support our players through the good times and the bad...not boo them for every minor mistake.

That being said, I hope Gus doesn't cost us the game this Sunday and he plays well.
I also hope that this is just temporary, because my thought is that Childress is protecting his young QBs psyche from being scarred by those ruthless home "fans."
Just watch, TJack will be back within 2 weeks.



But we are finicky and whiny about our team not our fellow fans.
;)
And you can't rationally blame the fans for the lack of chemistry on any team, including ours.

The targeting of TJ is as much a result of the great reports we heard about his progress this off season from the Viking staff. I think we have seen that those reports were not based in reality(see my post in the "Gus is the man..." thread). That the progression of TJ has evaporated to whence it came. I was not in favor of his benching, but I can't say I'm disappointed that we are willing to try something different.

Most of us do support our players, however, as I stated before we haven't seen the vaunted improvements we were told of. Very high expectations by fans and low performance from players often result in the player(s) getting booed. If TJ can't take some fans venting frustration with his lackluster performance, he is too fragile to be a decent Qb in the NFL, let alone a good one.

I predict that TJ will be the starter again as well. Just not in two weeks; unless Gus gets hurt in that two week period. I also hope that when he does get another shot, he shows every bit and more of that progress we had placed our faith in.


I guess mainly I feel that this is more in response to the fans booing than what Childress and his staff are seeing on tape.
Basically this smells like a PR move by the organization more than a football move.


I hope Gussy can come out and lead us to a Super Bowl ala Trent Dilfer style, but I just don't see it happening with Gus' history as an average QB.
Who knows though?
Maybe this is just the KAO he needs to be a stud!

Prophet
09-18-2008, 08:23 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"HEY" wrote:


I wouldn't go so far to say that I'm disgust for Gus.
Maybe I should start a "I-don't-think-Gus-is-very-good-but-may-serve-as-a-temporary-solution" thread...


I would post in that one! ;D

+1

Bretto007
09-18-2008, 08:31 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.





Excellent post my friend

Chilldress is horrible

His schemes suck and game planning and adjustments aren't there

T-jack could go a anywhere else and do good

He really hasn't played that bad this year

Even if the coaching sucks the players should still over come. In the end football is about blocking, throwing, running, catching etc. A great coach might make a team 10% better a bad coach might make a team 10% worse. Games are won and lossed by the players on the field.
Coaches and quarterbacks are the ones who get all the blame though. Denny Green sucked, Mike Tice sucked, Chilly sucks. Unless we win a superbowl the next coach will suck too.


I would disagree with that.
If that were the case the best team on paper would always win the game.

marstc09
09-18-2008, 09:33 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Gus blows


At least he has been selected to a Pro Bowl. What has TJ done?

V4L
09-18-2008, 11:16 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Gus blows


At least he has been selected to a Pro Bowl. What has TJ done?



Please go post about the Gus love in the other thread

Or if you want to keep nagging on T-jack go to the can T-jack thread

Purple Floyd
09-18-2008, 11:19 AM
"Bretto007" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.





Excellent post my friend

Chilldress is horrible

His schemes suck and game planning and adjustments aren't there

T-jack could go a anywhere else and do good

He really hasn't played that bad this year

Even if the coaching sucks the players should still over come. In the end football is about blocking, throwing, running, catching etc. A great coach might make a team 10% better a bad coach might make a team 10% worse. Games are won and lossed by the players on the field.
Coaches and quarterbacks are the ones who get all the blame though. Denny Green sucked, Mike Tice sucked, Chilly sucks. Unless we win a superbowl the next coach will suck too.


I would disagree with that.
If that were the case the best team on paper would always win the game.



Not if they were within the 10% range ;D

Jim Kleinsasser #40
09-18-2008, 11:30 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Gus blows

FACT!!!

bleedpurple
09-18-2008, 11:35 AM
DAAAAAMNNN!!!
We got a I hate GUS thread already??.. he played well for us when he was here last.. i'd think he'd have a little goodwill here but apparently not!!!...

Hey, I'm not happy about the move either.. but atleast i'm happy about it bc i now get to see if Chilly is really the Sh!tty coach that i think he is... this is good news fellas!!... He can't hide behind the inexperienced QB anymore...


Atleast give the dude a start before you start throwing him under the bus... lol.... all the TJ haters out there i'd of thought they would be onboard with this move!.. guess not either!

just goes to show yu can't please everybody!

i_bleed_purple
09-18-2008, 11:35 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


2 games? Seriously who gets benched after 2 fricken games against 2 teams that were both in the top 6 in defense a year ago? I want Tjack back.


I'm about 90% sure that Wilf went into his office and said something along the lines of "fix this or your done"
Notice Chilly also said that Frerotte will be the starter for the rest of the season, barring injury.
If Chilly knew he was safe this year, he wouldn't say that and leave it open for competition.
The sudden change makes me think that there is suddenly new incentive for his team to produce.

Zeus
09-18-2008, 11:36 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


2 games? Seriously who gets benched after 2 fricken games against 2 teams that were both in the top 6 in defense a year ago? I want Tjack back.


I'm about 90% sure that Wilf went into his office and said something along the lines of "fix this or your done"

Notice Chilly also said that Frerotte will be the starter for the rest of the season, barring injury.
If Chilly knew he was safe this year, he wouldn't say that and leave it open for competition.
The sudden change makes me think that there is suddenly new incentive for his team to produce.


Any evidence of this conversation?

=Z=

jmcdon00
09-19-2008, 12:36 PM
"funkyasflea" wrote:


"The" wrote:


"HornedHat" wrote:


This thread is the opposite of the Monday morning QB hacks at T-Jack. Now folks are Friday afternoon QB bashing Gus. Let the man play the game before ya get all hateful on him. If he sucks, we'll know pretty quick.


Dude, it's not like he's a rookie that we've never seen before. The guy has a track record.

And what his record tells us that he has completed 54.2% of his passes with 102 TD's and 91 INT's over a 13 year career (this is year 14). Basically, he's mediocre to bad. What more do you need to know?

I can get "all hateful" on him if I want to, because there is no shortage of evidence to prove his mediocrity. But in any case, I don't dislike Gus per se, only the decision to start him. To my mind this stinks of throwing in the towel on the season. Maybe it's just a wake up call to Tarvaris to pull his head out of his jiggly butt and start working to earn his job back, but I still say it stinks.


Actually looking back on his career, the teams that he has had control of he has done well at, it's when he was a backup coming in half way through the game for an injured QB that he struggled.
The first couple of years when it was his team and the game plan was based on how he plays he did pretty well, even made the Pro-Bowl once

Unfortunetly that was many years ago, and this team wasn't built around him. I hope he does enough to win, but I don't expect him to put up big numbers.

ConnecticutViking
09-19-2008, 01:28 PM
"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.



Brad Childress was the O coordinator in Philly... Donovan McNabb seemed to do just fine in his system.

C Mac D
09-19-2008, 01:29 PM
"ConnecticutViking" wrote:


"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.



Brad Childress was the O coordinator in Philly... Donovan McNabb seemed to do just fine in his system.


Childress did not call the plays in Philly, Andy Reid did... it was hardly "His System" at all.

Zeus
09-19-2008, 01:30 PM
"C" wrote:


"ConnecticutViking" wrote:


"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.



Brad Childress was the O coordinator in Philly... Donovan McNabb seemed to do just fine in his system.


Childress did not call the plays in Philly, Andy Reid did... it was hardly "His System" at all.


1 minute, 6 seconds - a new record!

=Z=

Vikefan05
09-19-2008, 01:32 PM
I am seriously hoping that this is only a week long, "get your head straight" benching.
Those occasionally work with QBs.
It is way to early to change permanently.

C Mac D
09-19-2008, 01:37 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ConnecticutViking" wrote:


"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.



Brad Childress was the O coordinator in Philly... Donovan McNabb seemed to do just fine in his system.


Childress did not call the plays in Philly, Andy Reid did... it was hardly "His System" at all.


1 minute, 6 seconds - a new record!

=Z=


I'm here to keep all Chilly-Positivity to a minimum.

V4L
09-19-2008, 04:57 PM
"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ConnecticutViking" wrote:


"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.



Brad Childress was the O coordinator in Philly... Donovan McNabb seemed to do just fine in his system.


Childress did not call the plays in Philly, Andy Reid did... it was hardly "His System" at all.


1 minute, 6 seconds - a new record!

=Z=


I'm here to keep all Chilly-Positivity to a minimum.



LMAO

With ya bro

DustinDupont
09-20-2008, 01:23 AM
"vikefan05" wrote:


I am seriously hoping that this is only a week long, "get your head straight" benching.
Those occasionally work with QBs.
It is way to early to change permanently.


i really hope your right but i doubt it

V4L
09-21-2008, 02:46 PM
gotta say this thread wasnt to bash Gus

But he has excedded my expectations

besides the nasty pick he played well

ultravikingfan
09-21-2008, 02:53 PM
"V4L" wrote:


gotta say this thread wasnt to bash Gus

But he has excedded my expectations

besides the nasty pick he played well


Just eat your crow with a smile.
:o

V4L
09-21-2008, 03:00 PM
LOL

if you want me to be honest this thread was for everybody

gus playhed GOOD!!! minus the rusty pick

I
wasnt thrilled with the move but stayed opptimistic

I think t-jack could have got us a win.. but gus is the man for now like i said he should be

marstc09
09-22-2008, 08:55 AM
Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

jmcdon00
09-22-2008, 09:18 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.

Webby
09-22-2008, 09:22 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Umm, the O scored 20, the most.
Bad holding call negated that TD.
Bastages.
Hell, that BS pass int call practically gave Car. their first TD.

jmcdon00
09-22-2008, 09:34 AM
"Webby" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Umm, the O scored 20, the most.
Bad holding call negated that TD.

Bastages.

Hell, that BS pass int call practically gave Car. their first TD.

Are you sure, who scored the second TD then? I'm pretty sure Winfields TD stood. Worst offensive performance of the young season IMHO. By far the best defensive performance though.

C Mac D
09-22-2008, 09:39 AM
jmcdon00, I own you in fantasy football

marstc09
09-22-2008, 09:47 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. He found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR. Gus opened up the long pass and D's will respect him more than TJ.

bleedpurple
09-22-2008, 09:49 AM
"Webby" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Umm, the O scored 20, the most.
Bad holding call negated that TD.
Bastages.
Hell, that BS pass int call practically gave Car. their first TD.


actually, the O scored 13... winfield scored a TD with that sack on Delhomme...

either way, i'm cool with the win... i like the fact we called a more balanced game.. however, i would have liked to see what TJ could have done with the playcalling the way it was sunday...

But i guess at this point it's moot!!...

Del Rio
09-22-2008, 09:49 AM
Yeah there was a TD by Taylor called back by a hold and we ended up getting 3 points instead. I think Childress said it best. He isnt affraid to pull the trigger.

Just throw the ball, give us a chance to succeed.

C Mac D
09-22-2008, 09:51 AM
The team seems more confident with Ferrotte at QB. I wonder if Childress talked to some of the senior players and asked their opinion.

Either way, great to see a win.

Fire Childress.

bleedpurple
09-22-2008, 09:54 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. He found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR. Gus opened up the long pass and D's will respect him more than TJ.


we got a fg on that drive.. so wouldn't that be 17???..

either way you look at it, you can't count points that we didn't score (i.e. points that went of the scoreboard officially).. that's like saying we scored 21 but 2 holding penalties kept us to 7 points.. or hey we would have scored 20 points last week but shank dropped the ball!..

woulda bee's, shoulda bee's, coulda bee's dont make no honey!!.. it doesnt matter.. we scored 13 points on offense.. and it would have been enough to win in heinsight.. but winnie's TD was the turning point and the key to our win!

marstc09
09-22-2008, 09:54 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Umm, the O scored 20, the most.
Bad holding call negated that TD.

Bastages.

Hell, that BS pass int call practically gave Car. their first TD.


actually, the O scored 13... winfield scored a TD with that sack on Delhomme...

either way, i'm cool with the win... i like the fact we called a more balanced game.. however, i would have liked to see what TJ could have done with the playcalling the way it was sunday...

But i guess at this point it's moot!!...




Webby was trying to make a point that the O should have scored 20. Bad calls. Just like the TJ lovers try to say that Shank cost him a game and blah blah blah. QBs need to find ways to overcome others mistakes. Gus got it done.

There is a reason the play calling was different for Gus. Chilly did not have faith in him. That is why he is no longer starting.

PurpleMafia
09-22-2008, 09:56 AM
I am sick of hearing that the pick was his fault. Whether the pass was a little behind Berrian or not...the ball hit him in both hands. Catch the ball. That is why we pay you tens of millions of dollars in gueranteed money. Argue about momentum or whatever bullshit reason you want, that was a catchable ball and in no way at the fault of Gus Frerrote.

marstc09
09-22-2008, 09:57 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. He found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR. Gus opened up the long pass and D's will respect him more than TJ.


we got a fg on that drive.. so wouldn't that be 17???..

either way you look at it, you can't count points that we didn't score (i.e. points that went of the scoreboard officially).. that's like saying we scored 21 but 2 holding penalties kept us to 7 points.. or hey we would have scored 20 points last week but shank dropped the ball!..

woulda bee's, shoulda bee's, coulda bee's dont make no honey!!.. it doesnt matter.. we scored 13 points on offense.. and it would have been enough to win in heinsight.. but winnie's TD was the turning point and the key to our win!


Then people need to be consistent and stop blaming TJs one loss on a Shank drop. Gus scored enough points to win regardless of that Winfield TD. Gus got the job done!

jmcdon00
09-22-2008, 10:03 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. If found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR.

Are you honestly saying you think Carolina is better than the Colts and Packers? Come on.
The offense scored 13, bad holding call or not. Tjack had some bad calls go against him, and when he threw a TD to Shanko, it was dropped.

I still want to bring back jack, but in the mean time I'll have to settle for taking the Gus Bus to Tennessee.

bleedpurple
09-22-2008, 10:04 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Umm, the O scored 20, the most.
Bad holding call negated that TD.
Bastages.
Hell, that BS pass int call practically gave Car. their first TD.


actually, the O scored 13... winfield scored a TD with that sack on Delhomme...

either way, i'm cool with the win... i like the fact we called a more balanced game.. however, i would have liked to see what TJ could have done with the playcalling the way it was sunday...

But i guess at this point it's moot!!...




Webby was trying to make a point that the O should have scored 20. Bad calls. Just like the TJ lovers try to say that Shank cost him a game and blah blah blah. QBs need to find ways to overcome others mistakes. Gus got it done.

There is a reason the play calling was different for Gus. Chilly did not have faith in him. That is why he is no longer starting.


I can agree.. i still would have liked to see what TJ could do in that offense...

and i know what webby was trying to say... i wasnt' picking on him... but i dont think Gus found a way to overcome others mistakes.. others need to concentrate harder and not make mistakes.. it's not up to Gus to over come those... if shank drops that TD we're in the same boat all over again yesterday...

and you can't say we scored 20 regardless of who made mistakes.. we made them and as a result the offense only scored 13.. you can't count points that don't go on the board... that doesn't make any sense!...

if this if that... if it's holding its holding.. it didn't count!... bad call or not!.. it happened last week with the chargers... and right now they are 0-2...

jmcdon00
09-22-2008, 10:08 AM
"C" wrote:


jmcdon00, I own you in fantasy football

I've still got a 2 point lead on you.
Of course if you win the only thing we will no for certain is that your QB is better. ;)

marstc09
09-22-2008, 10:10 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. If found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR.

Are you honestly saying you think Carolina is better than the Colts and Packers? Come on.
The offense scored 13, bad holding call or not. Tjack had some bad calls go against him, and when he threw a TD to Shanko, it was dropped.

I still want to bring back jack, but in the mean time I'll have to settle for taking the Gus Bus to Tennessee.





No Carolina is not better than those two teams but they are decent. Gus put up enough points to win. 13 points beat the Panthers. Gus can get us to 5-2 before the bye week. IMO with Gus we beat Indy. He would have made the difference to at least turn one of those 5 FGs into a TD. That puts us at 19.

marstc09
09-22-2008, 10:19 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:




Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Umm, the O scored 20, the most.
Bad holding call negated that TD.

Bastages.

Hell, that BS pass int call practically gave Car. their first TD.


actually, the O scored 13... winfield scored a TD with that sack on Delhomme...

either way, i'm cool with the win... i like the fact we called a more balanced game.. however, i would have liked to see what TJ could have done with the playcalling the way it was sunday...

But i guess at this point it's moot!!...




Webby was trying to make a point that the O should have scored 20. Bad calls. Just like the TJ lovers try to say that Shank cost him a game and blah blah blah. QBs need to find ways to overcome others mistakes. Gus got it done.

There is a reason the play calling was different for Gus. Chilly did not have faith in him. That is why he is no longer starting.


I can agree.. i still would have liked to see what TJ could do in that offense...

and i know what webby was trying to say... i wasnt' picking on him... but i dont think Gus found a way to overcome others mistakes.. others need to concentrate harder and not make mistakes.. it's not up to Gus to over come those... if shank drops that TD we're in the same boat all over again yesterday...

and you can't say we scored 20 regardless of who made mistakes.. we made them and as a result the offense only scored 13.. you can't count points that don't go on the board... that doesn't make any sense!...

if this if that... if it's holding its holding.. it didn't count!... bad call or not!.. it happened last week with the chargers... and right now they are 0-2...




What does the holding call matter? Gus put up enough points to beat the Panthers regardless of that defensive TD. 13 points won the game. End of story. If Shank drops the pass then Gus just finds another way to get it done. That was only 2nd down.

jmcdon00
09-22-2008, 10:21 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. If found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR.

Are you honestly saying you think Carolina is better than the Colts and Packers? Come on.
The offense scored 13, bad holding call or not. Tjack had some bad calls go against him, and when he threw a TD to Shanko, it was dropped.

I still want to bring back jack, but in the mean time I'll have to settle for taking the Gus Bus to Tennessee.





No Carolina is not better than those two teams but they are decent. Gus put up enough points to win. 13 points beat the Panthers. Gus can get us to 5-2 before the bye week. IMO with Gus we beat Indy. He would have made the difference to at least turn one of those 5 FGs into a TD. That puts us at 19.

Maybe maybe not, all the facts point to not though. Indy allowed the fewest points of any team in 2007, the fewest. They are very good at holding teams to field goals or nothing. The defense let us down big time in that game. Jackson gave us a 15 point lead late in the game, if the defense can't protect that then something is wrong.
Saying we won because Jackson didn't play is just silly, by that logic I could say the vikings were better with out Peterson last year because they went 2-0 when he was injured.

marstc09
09-22-2008, 10:29 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:




Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. If found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR.

Are you honestly saying you think Carolina is better than the Colts and Packers? Come on.
The offense scored 13, bad holding call or not. Tjack had some bad calls go against him, and when he threw a TD to Shanko, it was dropped.

I still want to bring back jack, but in the mean time I'll have to settle for taking the Gus Bus to Tennessee.





No Carolina is not better than those two teams but they are decent. Gus put up enough points to win. 13 points beat the Panthers. Gus can get us to 5-2 before the bye week. IMO with Gus we beat Indy. He would have made the difference to at least turn one of those 5 FGs into a TD. That puts us at 19.

Maybe maybe not, all the facts point to not though. Indy allowed the fewest points of any team in 2007, the fewest. They are very good at holding teams to field goals or nothing. The defense let us down big time in that game. Jackson gave us a 15 point lead late in the game, if the defense can't protect that then something is wrong.
Saying we won because Jackson didn't play is just silly, by that logic I could say the vikings were better with out Peterson last year because they went 2-0 when he was injured.


Tell me one defense that can keep Indy from scoring a TD all game? None. We were the first team since I think 2004 to hold Indy to no points in the first half. If you play the Colts, you need to score TDs or you will lose. Our D held them to under 20 points and that is pretty damn good since last year only 2 teams accomplished that.

MN_SkolVikings_NC
09-22-2008, 10:39 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:






Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. If found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR.

Are you honestly saying you think Carolina is better than the Colts and Packers? Come on.
The offense scored 13, bad holding call or not. Tjack had some bad calls go against him, and when he threw a TD to Shanko, it was dropped.

I still want to bring back jack, but in the mean time I'll have to settle for taking the Gus Bus to Tennessee.





No Carolina is not better than those two teams but they are decent. Gus put up enough points to win. 13 points beat the Panthers. Gus can get us to 5-2 before the bye week. IMO with Gus we beat Indy. He would have made the difference to at least turn one of those 5 FGs into a TD. That puts us at 19.

Maybe maybe not, all the facts point to not though. Indy allowed the fewest points of any team in 2007, the fewest. They are very good at holding teams to field goals or nothing. The defense let us down big time in that game. Jackson gave us a 15 point lead late in the game, if the defense can't protect that then something is wrong.
Saying we won because Jackson didn't play is just silly, by that logic I could say the vikings were better with out Peterson last year because they went 2-0 when he was injured.


Tell me one defense that can keep Indy from scoring a TD all game? None. We were the first team since I think 2004 to hold Indy to no points in the first half. If you play the Colts, you need to score TDs or you will lose. Our D held them to under 20 points and that is pretty gol 'darnit good since last year only 2 teams accomplished that.


The defense wasn't able to do that because they were tired.
TJack was not able to sustain enough long drives to give the defense a chance to rest and be fresh throughout the whole game.
I know someone will be able to pull a stat of TOP the last two games, but I highly doubt it rivals the TOP of this game.
Also, we only scored 13 points on offense because we only HAD to score 13 points.
If needed we we could have popped another TD at the end of the game.
After we had a 10 point lead, the playbook closed back up into our dull, clock eating offense.
I was supporting TJack all the way, but Gus got us what Tjack couldn't in his last 4 games... a WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Webby
09-22-2008, 10:45 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that kaka del rio that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Umm, the O scored 20, the most.
Bad holding call negated that TD.

Bastages.

Hell, that BS pass int call practically gave Car. their first TD.


actually, the O scored 13... winfield scored a TD with that sack on Delhomme...

either way, i'm cool with the win... i like the fact we called a more balanced game.. however, i would have liked to see what TJ could have done with the playcalling the way it was sunday...

But i guess at this point it's moot!!...




Webby was trying to make a point that the O should have scored 20. Bad calls. Just like the TJ lovers try to say that Shank cost him a game and blah blah blah. QBs need to find ways to overcome others mistakes. Gus got it done.

There is a reason the play calling was different for Gus. Chilly did not have faith in him. That is why he is no longer starting.


Right, the big difference the TJACK rubes seem to miss is that callback was pretty poor.
But guess what?
The offense executed and got the touchdown.


Shankcoe's drop?
No execution.

so the rube says: "Execution is the same as no execution because the end result was the same"....no, no, its not.
We still got three on top of it, but that hurt.
I wanted to see that run count.
It was a great end to that drive.


Man the shit is getting deep in here trying to explain the virtues of the Tjack system of below averageness.
I need my hip waders!

;D ;D ;D

happy camper
09-22-2008, 10:59 AM
I think its important to also note that our running game wasn't amazing vs the Panthers as it was vs the Colts.

I would hate to see Jackson out there without our running game clicking on all cylinders. Also I think (I didn't check the stats) but we had much better starting field position vs the Colts.

jmcdon00
09-22-2008, 11:21 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:






Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. If found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR.

Are you honestly saying you think Carolina is better than the Colts and Packers? Come on.
The offense scored 13, bad holding call or not. Tjack had some bad calls go against him, and when he threw a TD to Shanko, it was dropped.

I still want to bring back jack, but in the mean time I'll have to settle for taking the Gus Bus to Tennessee.





No Carolina is not better than those two teams but they are decent. Gus put up enough points to win. 13 points beat the Panthers. Gus can get us to 5-2 before the bye week. IMO with Gus we beat Indy. He would have made the difference to at least turn one of those 5 FGs into a TD. That puts us at 19.

Maybe maybe not, all the facts point to not though. Indy allowed the fewest points of any team in 2007, the fewest. They are very good at holding teams to field goals or nothing. The defense let us down big time in that game. Jackson gave us a 15 point lead late in the game, if the defense can't protect that then something is wrong.
Saying we won because Jackson didn't play is just silly, by that logic I could say the vikings were better with out Peterson last year because they went 2-0 when he was injured.


Tell me one defense that can keep Indy from scoring a TD all game? None. We were the first team since I think 2004 to hold Indy to no points in the first half. If you play the Colts, you need to score TDs or you will lose. Our D held them to under 20 points and that is pretty damn good since last year only 2 teams accomplished that.

Alright, you win. Tjack would go 0-16 if he was given more time. Now the vikings are clearly on a path to go 14-2 and win the super bowl because Gus knows how to win games.

NodakPaul
09-22-2008, 11:23 AM
"MN_SkolVikings_NC" wrote:


The defense wasn't able to do that because they were tired.
TJack was not able to sustain enough long drives to give the defense a chance to rest and be fresh throughout the whole game.
I know someone will be able to pull a stat of TOP the last two games, but I highly doubt it rivals the TOP of this game.
Also, we only scored 13 points on offense because we only HAD to score 13 points.
If needed we we could have popped another TD at the end of the game.
After we had a 10 point lead, the playbook closed back up into our dull, clock eating offense.
I was supporting TJack all the way, but Gus got us what Tjack couldn't in his last 4 games... a WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not to be picky, but didn't we control the clock during the INdy game.
I would have to go back and look to see how much the D was on the field in the 4th to be sure...

marstc09
09-22-2008, 11:27 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:








Gus:
57% Completion
204 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
77.1 Rating
1-0 as a Viking Starter this year

TJ:
50.8% Completion
308 Yards
1 TD
1 INT
1 Fumble
64.8 Rating
0-2 as a Viking Starter this year

Not much more I can say here. Like I said last week, Gus can scan a field better than TJ. He knows how to find the open man. I don't want to hear anymore of that bullshit that our WRs can't get open. Just like the first 2 games our WRs were open. TJ would not have got us a win because he has no vision. He needs time to develop that vision. Crow is great in the morning!

Of course the first 2 games were against very good teams. The packers ranked 6th a year ago in points allowed. The Colts ranked 1st a year ago in points allowed. Carolina ranked 16th a year ago.
Against Green Bay the offense scored 19 points, against the Colts the offense scored 15 points. Against Carolina the offense scored the fewest points it has in any game this season, 13.
The colts and packers both went 13-3 a year ago, and made the conferance championship games. Carolina went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
Congrats to the Vikings and to Gus, but I still think Tjack would have won that game too, and he's the better QB. Heck Tjack would have won the other two games if the defense would have gotten a TD in those games or held the opposing team to 10pts.


Carolina was 2-0 and beat the Bears who knocked off the Colts and the Chargers who might be 0-2 but IMO are a playoff team. The offense scored 20 IMO. That was a bad holding call. So blame the loss on the D the last 2 games all you want but Gus had the same bad things happen to him. Plus the D held two very good offenses in Green Bay and Indy to 24 and 18 points. The defense can't do it all. The big difference in the two situations is that Gus was able to overcome that. If found WRs when he needed to. TJ has not shown me he can find a WR.

Are you honestly saying you think Carolina is better than the Colts and Packers? Come on.
The offense scored 13, bad holding call or not. Tjack had some bad calls go against him, and when he threw a TD to Shanko, it was dropped.

I still want to bring back jack, but in the mean time I'll have to settle for taking the Gus Bus to Tennessee.





No Carolina is not better than those two teams but they are decent. Gus put up enough points to win. 13 points beat the Panthers. Gus can get us to 5-2 before the bye week. IMO with Gus we beat Indy. He would have made the difference to at least turn one of those 5 FGs into a TD. That puts us at 19.

Maybe maybe not, all the facts point to not though. Indy allowed the fewest points of any team in 2007, the fewest. They are very good at holding teams to field goals or nothing. The defense let us down big time in that game. Jackson gave us a 15 point lead late in the game, if the defense can't protect that then something is wrong.
Saying we won because Jackson didn't play is just silly, by that logic I could say the vikings were better with out Peterson last year because they went 2-0 when he was injured.


Tell me one defense that can keep Indy from scoring a TD all game? None. We were the first team since I think 2004 to hold Indy to no points in the first half. If you play the Colts, you need to score TDs or you will lose. Our D held them to under 20 points and that is pretty damn good since last year only 2 teams accomplished that.

Alright, you win. Tjack would go 0-16 if he was given more time. Now the vikings are clearly on a path to go 14-2 and win the super bowl because Gus knows how to win games.


Don't get me wrong I like TJ but he needs to learn. The best example I can think of is Aaron Rodgers. Do you think he would be as good as he is now if he did not sit for a while and learn? I said last week that Gus won't win us games but he can scan the field and find WRs better. He gives us the best chance to win.

V4L
09-22-2008, 11:55 AM
Mars is right on the dot

T-jack needs to learn

I was wrong about Gus thus far and im glad!!

Although he made some bad throws he did scan the field well

He will improve

marstc09
09-22-2008, 12:01 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Mars is right on the dot

T-jack needs to learn

I was wrong about Gus thus far and im glad!!

Although he made some bad throws he did scan the field well

He will improve


Well your not wrong yet but Gus did play better than TJ IMO. Gus still needs to make some more plays but he is just getting started. I am sure TJ got most of the snaps in practice. He will get better.

jmcdon00
09-22-2008, 12:04 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Mars is right on the dot

T-jack needs to learn

I was wrong about Gus thus far and im glad!!

Although he made some bad throws he did scan the field well

He will improve

I agree that Tjack has much to learn, I differ in my opinion of how this should be done. I think live action game experience is a better learning tool than watching the game from the sideline. I think Tjack would be better next year if he plays this year. JMHO.

marstc09
09-22-2008, 12:07 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Mars is right on the dot

T-jack needs to learn

I was wrong about Gus thus far and im glad!!

Although he made some bad throws he did scan the field well

He will improve

I agree that Tjack has much to learn, I differ in my opinion of how this should be done. I think live action game experience is a better learning tool than watching the game from the sideline. I think Tjack would be better next year if he plays this year. JMHO.


Thats what I thought last year.

V4L
09-22-2008, 12:17 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Mars is right on the dot

T-jack needs to learn

I was wrong about Gus thus far and im glad!!

Although he made some bad throws he did scan the field well

He will improve


Well your not wrong yet but Gus did play better than TJ IMO. Gus still needs to make some more plays but he is just getting started. I am sure TJ got most of the snaps in practice. He will get better.



true it was his first game back

bleedpurple
09-22-2008, 12:19 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Mars is right on the dot

T-jack needs to learn

I was wrong about Gus thus far and im glad!!

Although he made some bad throws he did scan the field well

He will improve

I agree that Tjack has much to learn, I differ in my opinion of how this should be done. I think live action game experience is a better learning tool than watching the game from the sideline. I think Tjack would be better next year if he plays this year. JMHO.


Thats what I thought last year.


LOL!!.. i agree with you!!...

It appears as though Purple is the Key to Gus frerotte's career!!.. if he were to have worn purple his entire career.. who knows.. he might be a pro bowler!!..

I know i'm being kind of sarcastic... but he has done wonders for us in a reserve roll the first stint and so far the second!

marstc09
09-22-2008, 12:25 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Mars is right on the dot

T-jack needs to learn

I was wrong about Gus thus far and im glad!!

Although he made some bad throws he did scan the field well

He will improve

I agree that Tjack has much to learn, I differ in my opinion of how this should be done. I think live action game experience is a better learning tool than watching the game from the sideline. I think Tjack would be better next year if he plays this year. JMHO.


Thats what I thought last year.


LOL!!.. i agree with you!!...

It appears as though Purple is the Key to Gus frerotte's career!!.. if he were to have worn purple his entire career.. who knows.. he might be a pro bowler!!..

I know i'm being kind of sarcastic... but he has done wonders for us in a reserve roll the first stint and so far the second!


He is 3-0 as a Vikings starter!
;)

Purple Floyd
09-22-2008, 12:33 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Mars is right on the dot

T-jack needs to learn

I was wrong about Gus thus far and im glad!!

Although he made some bad throws he did scan the field well

He will improve

I agree that Tjack has much to learn, I differ in my opinion of how this should be done. I think live action game experience is a better learning tool than watching the game from the sideline. I think Tjack would be better next year if he plays this year. JMHO.


Thats what I thought last year.


LOL!!.. i agree with you!!...

It appears as though Purple is the Key to Gus frerotte's career!!.. if he were to have worn purple his entire career.. who knows.. he might be a pro bowler!!..

I know i'm being kind of sarcastic... but he has done wonders for us in a reserve roll the first stint and so far the second!


He is 3-0 as a Vikings starter!
;)


Super Bowl

MN_SkolVikings_NC
09-22-2008, 12:34 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"MN_SkolVikings_NC" wrote:


The defense wasn't able to do that because they were tired.
TJack was not able to sustain enough long drives to give the defense a chance to rest and be fresh throughout the whole game.
I know someone will be able to pull a stat of TOP the last two games, but I highly doubt it rivals the TOP of this game.
Also, we only scored 13 points on offense because we only HAD to score 13 points.
If needed we we could have popped another TD at the end of the game.
After we had a 10 point lead, the playbook closed back up into our dull, clock eating offense.
I was supporting TJack all the way, but Gus got us what Tjack couldn't in his last 4 games... a WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not to be picky, but didn't we control the clock during the INdy game.
I would have to go back and look to see how much the D was on the field in the 4th to be sure...


Like I said, someone may have to give us some stats, but I thought the TOP in the INDY game belonged to them.
If I am wrong... so be it.
I honestly don't think the D gives up those 2 big plays if they are fresh.
Look at how we held Smith this week.

Freakout
09-22-2008, 12:36 PM
Amazing people still believe Jackson can learn and improve.

bleedpurple
09-22-2008, 12:50 PM
"Freakout" wrote:


Amazing people still believe Jackson can learn and improve.


amazing how the play book opened up throwing Carolina off guard bc none of that was probably on tape...
i'm not sure what it is with TJ.. but until we put him in the situation and see if he's capable to make those throws in the type of offense we showed yesterday... i say the jury is stil out!...

boring predictable offense allows defenses to key in and sit on routes, and with the lack of formations we were using, it only gave TJ few options versus the multiple Gus had with the twins, 3,4 receiver sets, etc.....

so of course gus looked good/better than TJack.. as did our offense, but i think thats more to do with the playcalling than anything...

I think a lot of ppl are being unfair in that regard....

ultravikingfan
09-22-2008, 01:16 PM
I don't care who we have at QB.
I am not in love with any of our QB's unless they turn out to be a franchise guy.


As long as they don't screw up and we win, I will be on any QB's bandwagon.

Why is it so important to be on eithers side and bitch amongst ourselves?

bleedpurple
09-22-2008, 01:56 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


I don't care who we have at QB.
I am not in love with any of our QB's unless they turn out to be a franchise guy.


As long as they don't screw up and we win, I will be on any QB's bandwagon.

Why is it so important to be on eithers side and beeyatch amongst ourselves?


i'm not sure if that was directed at me!.. i'm on board with Gus!.. i think the change was welcome!..

I'm just disappointed with all the ppl saying TJ is a bust and yadda yadda yadda... IMO, the play calling was vastly different, definitely helping our team look a lot more explosive!... I just wish before benching him we would have seen what he was capable of with the kind of play calling exhibited yesterday!....

i'm not/nor have ever argued either way for TJ or GUs, but if yu have invested the last year, offseason and first two games on a guy, you owe it to him, the fans and the team to game plan and call plays based on beating the other team... not protecting him.. and if your gonna bench the guy, you make sure it's with as much information as possible... There's still unanswered questions about TJ, that me and i'm sure the front office and other fans want to have answered before you send the guy to the bench!.. If that's the case, you just blatantly threw away a perfectly legit season last year starting him!

it's like a marriage, you want to be sure you exhausted all possibilites before you divorce the woman!... and marry this other girl!... in this case, we left stones unturned with the kind of play calling we were doing...

REGARDLESS... of whether you thought he could handle it or not!!.. you should have alteast seen what he could do... bc if i remember, with the offense opened up with TJ with what few times that's happened.. he's played pretty darn well!!!.... (i.e. 2nd half skins game, 2nd half Denver, 2nd half Green Bay (minus the pick) end of first half against the colts in 2 min drill...)
you look at those situations and you wonder why it was never opened up and with the predictable playcalling if the defense wasn't just back there sitting on TJ's reads bc they knew exactly what to expect in the passing game, making harder for TJ or any QB in that situation to be successful!...

Json
09-22-2008, 02:11 PM
I don't care who we have at QB.
I am not in love with any of our QB's unless they turn out to be a franchise guy.

As long as they don't screw up and we win, I will be on any QB's bandwagon.

Why is it so important to be on eithers side and bitch amongst ourselves?

Well said Ultra, well said.

marstc09
09-22-2008, 02:16 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


I don't care who we have at QB.
I am not in love with any of our QB's unless they turn out to be a franchise guy.


As long as they don't screw up and we win, I will be on any QB's bandwagon.

Why is it so important to be on eithers side and bitch amongst ourselves?


Isn't that part of a forum?

ragz
09-22-2008, 04:24 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Freakout" wrote:


Amazing people still believe Jackson can learn and improve.


amazing how the play book opened up throwing Carolina off guard bc none of that was probably on tape...
i'm not sure what it is with TJ.. but until we put him in the situation and see if he's capable to make those throws in the type of offense we showed yesterday... i say the jury is stil out!...

boring predictable offense allows defenses to key in and sit on routes, and with the lack of formations we were using, it only gave TJ few options versus the multiple Gus had with the twins, 3,4 receiver sets, etc.....

so of course gus looked good/better than TJack.. as did our offense, but i think thats more to do with the playcalling than anything...

I think a lot of ppl are being unfair in that regard....

it amazes me how ppl can watch games and see stuff that isn't there.
we won, ferrotte did fine.
first two games, we lost, jackson did fine.
yesterday other weapons stepped up and made the plays they should.
the
defense all of us were talking about being dominant were.
got us 7 pionts and held the opposing team to 10.
if i recall correctly we didnt get any defensive tds in the first 2 weeks, and the defense gave up some big plays.
shank caught a ball, berrian caught a ball.
from the point winfield made that play we took over.
i assume this is the way the vikings have tried to win the last 3 years, and today it worked.
now i do find it funny who patient everyone is all of a sudden with ferrotte.
"oh it was only his first game he can only get better"
as if jackson played half the season or something.
or that they opened up the playbook for ferrotte cuz jackson is a moron.
as i said last week, ferrotte has been here for 4-5 months, i seriuosly doubt his grasp of this oh so complex offense is better than jacksons.
either way ferrotte did his job.
i particularly liked how he handled some of the pressure he dealt with.
oh that berrian throw he could have ended up just sacked but he slid and showed some strenght by shaking off an arm tackle.
even his little scrambling wasn't bad.
but the line did a great job too.
if we can protect him like we did yesterday theres no doubt he has the arm to do whatever needs to be done.
but i'm not gonna get to excited just yet, our offense was not that good.
and we have another tough test against a good defense this week.

ultravikingfan
09-22-2008, 04:40 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


I don't care who we have at QB.
I am not in love with any of our QB's unless they turn out to be a franchise guy.


As long as they don't screw up and we win, I will be on any QB's bandwagon.

Why is it so important to be on eithers side and beeyatch amongst ourselves?


i'm not sure if that was directed at me!.. i'm on board with Gus!.. i think the change was welcome!..

I'm just disappointed with all the ppl saying TJ is a bust and yadda yadda yadda... IMO, the play calling was vastly different, definitely helping our team look a lot more explosive!... I just wish before benching him we would have seen what he was capable of with the kind of play calling exhibited yesterday!....

i'm not/nor have ever argued either way for TJ or GUs, but if yu have invested the last year, offseason and first two games on a guy, you owe it to him, the fans and the team to game plan and call plays based on beating the other team... not protecting him.. and if your gonna bench the guy, you make sure it's with as much information as possible... There's still unanswered questions about TJ, that me and i'm sure the front office and other fans want to have answered before you send the guy to the bench!.. If that's the case, you just blatantly threw away a perfectly legit season last year starting him!

it's like a marriage, you want to be sure you exhausted all possibilites before you divorce the woman!... and marry this other girl!... in this case, we left stones unturned with the kind of play calling we were doing...

REGARDLESS... of whether you thought he could handle it or not!!.. you should have alteast seen what he could do... bc if i remember, with the offense opened up with TJ with what few times that's happened.. he's played pretty darn well!!!.... (i.e. 2nd half skins game, 2nd half Denver, 2nd half Green Bay (minus the pick) end of first half against the colts in 2 min drill...)
you look at those situations and you wonder why it was never opened up and with the predictable playcalling if the defense wasn't just back there sitting on TJ's reads bc they knew exactly what to expect in the passing game, making harder for TJ or any QB in that situation to be successful!...




No, it was not directed at you.
I just threw it out to the masses.

BTW, congrats on HoF status.

ultravikingfan
09-22-2008, 04:40 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


I don't care who we have at QB.
I am not in love with any of our QB's unless they turn out to be a franchise guy.


As long as they don't screw up and we win, I will be on any QB's bandwagon.

Why is it so important to be on eithers side and bitch amongst ourselves?


Isn't that part of a forum?


Everything is part of a forum (except politics at PP.O).

What's your point?

marstc09
09-22-2008, 10:11 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


I don't care who we have at QB.
I am not in love with any of our QB's unless they turn out to be a franchise guy.


As long as they don't screw up and we win, I will be on any QB's bandwagon.

Why is it so important to be on eithers side and bitch amongst ourselves?


Isn't that part of a forum?


Everything is part of a forum (except politics at PP.O).

What's your point?


My point is that who gives a shit if people argue about what QB is in. That is the point of the site. To hear others opinions. The only people who see politics are the ones paying attention to them.

V4L
11-25-2008, 01:05 AM
I frickin hate gus frerotte

V4L
11-25-2008, 01:15 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Bretto007" wrote:


I really think it’s the system.
NO Quarterback that has played for the Vikes since Chilly took over here has succeeded.
Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, T Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, JT O'Sullivin.
These Quarterbacks have started for other teams and been able to be more successful running other systems.
The common dominator is Chilly.

Jackson is far more athletic then Frerotte, and their decision making skills are comparable.
I think it was far too early in the season to pull the plug on the starting Quarterback.
Everyone thinks panic and losses faith.



You will find out soon that this statement is false.



This statement is true

V4L
11-25-2008, 01:17 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"gagarr" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


I, for one, welcome a chance at victory.


+1

TJ didn't work out, it's a smart move to change.

Gus is that change, which give us a chance to win.


2 fricken games we lost, and it definetly wasn't all Tjacks fault, he only has 1 int for crying out loud.
Jackson was 8-4 last year, the backups were 0-4.
It is his 3rd season, 2nd as a starter, he's gonna have bad games, doesn't mean he doesn't give the team a chance to win.
Ferote boy has been sucking for much longer. The last 3 years his QB rating have been 2007-58.3, 2006-67.4, 2005-71.9. He is 37 years old and getting older every day, and probably worse. Tjack is young and getting better.



Yah I like this post

ragz
11-25-2008, 07:12 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


I don't care who we have at QB.
I am not in love with any of our QB's unless they turn out to be a franchise guy.


As long as they don't screw up and we win, I will be on any QB's bandwagon.

Why is it so important to be on eithers side and beeyatch amongst ourselves?


i'm not sure if that was directed at me!.. i'm on board with Gus!.. i think the change was welcome!..

I'm just disappointed with all the ppl saying TJ is a bust and yadda yadda yadda... IMO, the play calling was vastly different, definitely helping our team look a lot more explosive!... I just wish before benching him we would have seen what he was capable of with the kind of play calling exhibited yesterday!....

i'm not/nor have ever argued either way for TJ or GUs, but if yu have invested the last year, offseason and first two games on a guy, you owe it to him, the fans and the team to game plan and call plays based on beating the other team... not protecting him.. and if your gonna bench the guy, you make sure it's with as much information as possible... There's still unanswered questions about TJ, that me and i'm sure the front office and other fans want to have answered before you send the guy to the bench!.. If that's the case, you just blatantly threw away a perfectly legit season last year starting him!

it's like a marriage, you want to be sure you exhausted all possibilites before you divorce the woman!... and marry this other girl!... in this case, we left stones unturned with the kind of play calling we were doing...

REGARDLESS... of whether you thought he could handle it or not!!.. you should have alteast seen what he could do... bc if i remember, with the offense opened up with TJ with what few times that's happened.. he's played pretty darn well!!!.... (i.e. 2nd half skins game, 2nd half Denver, 2nd half Green Bay (minus the pick) end of first half against the colts in 2 min drill...)
you look at those situations and you wonder why it was never opened up and with the predictable playcalling if the defense wasn't just back there sitting on TJ's reads bc they knew exactly what to expect in the passing game, making harder for TJ or any QB in that situation to be successful!...

theres a whole lot of truth to this and was said at the perfect time of all this junk.
but this is why i put so much blame on childress.
jackson could suck, no doubt, but childress did not use him in the way that probably would have made him more successful and use the tools hes got.
to me thats just stubborn ego.
but i'm not disgusted with ferrotte, i feel more hopeless cuz i can't figure out how they are gonna make this get better for him.
maybe a big game against a week chicago defense and then detroit can build up some confidence again. if not we are probalby done.

ThorSPL
11-25-2008, 10:35 AM
I'll sign up for this thread.

V4L
11-25-2008, 10:43 AM
Any other joiners yet?

jkjuggalo
11-25-2008, 11:33 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Any other joiners yet?


Man, I joined up for this when we pulled TJ prematurely in week 3.

V4L
11-25-2008, 11:55 PM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Any other joiners yet?


Man, I joined up for this when we pulled TJ prematurely in week 3.



I know you did

Im doing a little flip flopping

I wasn't happy with the move but supported it.. Now im really against the move and don't support it.. But think we gotta stick with Gus til the team has to carry his dead weight for 1 more week

Purple Floyd
11-26-2008, 07:17 AM
This should be changed to the "Official disgust for the KAO, the OC and the offensive development after 3 years" thread.

Caine
11-26-2008, 07:30 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


This should be changed to the "Official disgust for the KAO, the OC and the offensive development after 3 years" thread.


Quoted for truth!!!!

No matter what QB you put in this system, Chiller & Company will turn them into poo.
Chiller is the NFC version of Norv Turner.

Caine

Purple Floyd
11-26-2008, 08:06 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


This should be changed to the "Official disgust for the KAO, the OC and the offensive development after 3 years" thread.


Quoted for truth!!!!

No matter what QB you put in this system, Chiller & Company will turn them into poo.
Chiller is the NFC version of Norv Turner.

Caine


Actually if he would have norv for an OC and run his scheme we would be almost unstoppable.

marstc09
11-26-2008, 09:14 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


This should be changed to the "Official disgust for the KAO, the OC and the offensive development after 3 years" thread.


+1

I think we would be about the same with Gus or TJ in there. I think we should have stuck it out with TJ. I need to eat crow for that one. He is mobile and seemed to be better at throwing the ball away. Not sure what Gus's
problem is with that one.

jargomcfargo
11-26-2008, 09:34 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


This should be changed to the "Official disgust for the KAO, the OC and the offensive development after 3 years" thread.


+1

I think we would be about the same with Gus or TJ in there. I think we should have stuck it out with TJ. I need to eat crow for that one. He is mobile and seemed to be better at throwing the ball away. Not sure what Gus's
problem is with that one.


Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

Marrdro
11-26-2008, 09:35 AM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).

Caine
11-26-2008, 10:05 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

Marrdro
11-26-2008, 10:13 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.
;D

jargomcfargo
11-26-2008, 11:05 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine


sheesh?

Believe me. I'm not advocating a QB switch. I don't think it matters who is in there.

Purple Floyd
11-26-2008, 11:06 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.
;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

ragz
11-26-2008, 01:07 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.

;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

oh yah, cuz ferrotte has shown so much poise scrambling outta pockets but then forgetting to throw the ball away, and then when he does throw it, its for a pick.

V4L
11-26-2008, 03:38 PM
"ragz" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.

;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

oh yah, cuz ferrotte has shown so much poise scrambling outta pockets but then forgetting to throw the ball away, and then when he does throw it, its for a pick.




Haha exactly

I've seen this "deer in headlights" look a plenty the last few weeks

Gus gets a guy crashing around then or someone up the middle and he panicks

SamOchoCinco
11-26-2008, 03:43 PM
gus is the walking deffinition of a over the hill quarterback

Yfz01
11-26-2008, 03:45 PM
What bugs me the most is when Gus runs out of the pocket and gets chased down for a 10 yard loss... He doesn't think it'd be better to throw the ball away...

gagarr
11-26-2008, 05:34 PM
Gus is not a good QB.
He is capable and barring further big hits, should perform reasonable in the last 5 games.

TJ is not a good QB.
He may become one, but given that he hasn't had much 1st string time for 9 games and the pressure of making the playoffs, TJ would be a poor choice.

I'm praying that I don't see TJ the rest of this year.
Because if I do it will be because of an injury or Vikes being out of playoff contention.

BTW, I'm cheering on the Giants, because if they can lock up home field advantage in the playoffs.
Then the Vikes should be facing 2nd stringers in the final game.
Thus, if the Vikes can win against the Bears, Lions, and roast at least one bird.
The Vikes should have a 10-6 record and the division title.

The BIG down side to making the playoffs is it might mean another year of Chilly.

Marrdro
11-27-2008, 09:18 AM
"gagarr" wrote:


Gus is not a good QB.
He is capable and barring further big hits, should perform reasonable in the last 5 games.

TJ is not a good QB.
He may become one, but given that he hasn't had much 1st string time for 9 games and the pressure of making the playoffs, TJ would be a poor choice.

I'm praying that I don't see TJ the rest of this year.
Because if I do it will be because of an injury or Vikes being out of playoff contention.

BTW, I'm cheering on the Giants, because if they can lock up home field advantage in the playoffs.
Then the Vikes should be facing 2nd stringers in the final game.
Thus, if the Vikes can win against the Bears, Lions, and roast at least one bird.
The Vikes should have a 10-6 record and the division title.

The BIG down side to making the playoffs is it might mean another year of Chilly.

Don't count on that.
Based on the little history we have, the Giants coaching staff will try to win that game and will play thier starters to do it.

If you doublt me, harken back to the last regular season game of last year when they faced the Pats.... ;D

Marrdro
11-27-2008, 09:20 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.

;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

Not great, definately not great, but damn, even you gotta admit, Gus has really started to look like shit now that teams have a bit of tape on him.
::)

Mr-holland
11-27-2008, 09:22 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"gagarr" wrote:




BTW, I'm cheering on the Giants, because if they can lock up home field advantage in the playoffs.
Then the Vikes should be facing 2nd stringers in the final game.
Thus, if the Vikes can win against the Bears, Lions, and roast at least one bird.
The Vikes should have a 10-6 record and the division title.

The BIG down side to making the playoffs is it might mean another year of Chilly.

Don't count on that.
Based on the little history we have, the Giants coaching staff will try to win that game and will play thier starters to do it.

If you doublt me, harken back to the last regular season game of last year when they faced the Pats.... ;D

I agree, They did it last year but it also has been proven that teams who rest their starters the last regular season game do worse in their first game in the Playoffs. I would look for them to play their starters but would they play their hearts out?

Caine
11-27-2008, 11:43 AM
"V4L" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:






Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.

;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

oh yah, cuz ferrotte has shown so much poise scrambling outta pockets but then forgetting to throw the ball away, and then when he does throw it, its for a pick.




Haha exactly

I've seen this "deer in headlights" look a plenty the last few weeks

Gus gets a guy crashing around then or someone up the middle and he panicks


But Gus has never thrown the "Jump Pass"...that's a Tarvaris Special.

;)

Caine

V4L
11-27-2008, 11:46 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:








Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.

;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

oh yah, cuz ferrotte has shown so much poise scrambling outta pockets but then forgetting to throw the ball away, and then when he does throw it, its for a pick.




Haha exactly

I've seen this "deer in headlights" look a plenty the last few weeks

Gus gets a guy crashing around then or someone up the middle and he panicks


But Gus has never thrown the "Jump Pass"...that's a Tarvaris Special.

;)

Caine



Haha oh yes the infamous jump pass

Made me so irritated!

Purple Floyd
11-27-2008, 12:27 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.
;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

Not great, definately not great, but damn, even you gotta admit, Gus has really started to look like shit now that teams have a bit of tape on him.
::)


Every QB we put on the field under Bevell and Chilly looks like shit after other teams get some film on them.

That alone should throw up a big red flag for anybody who is watching the development(Or lack of) of the team.
Nobody has been able to put the finger on the exact cause but the coaching staff has certainly fallen short in their ability to keep one step ahead of the defenses they face. Johnson started out 4-2. Jackson started out abut the same as did Gus. In the end Defenses figure them out in about the same time frame and from there it is all down hill for the offensive production.

I am not an NFL coach and I cannot diagnose the exact problem but it is clear there is an issue there that is holding the offense back.

SamOchoCinco
11-27-2008, 12:45 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:






Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.

;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

Not great, definately not great, but damn, even you gotta admit, Gus has really started to look like shit now that teams have a bit of tape on him.

::)


Every QB we put on the field under Bevell and Chilly looks like shit after other teams get some film on them.

That alone should throw up a big red flag for anybody who is watching the development(Or lack of) of the team.

Nobody has been able to put the finger on the exact cause but the coaching staff has certainly fallen short in their ability to keep one step ahead of the defenses they face. Johnson started out 4-2. Jackson started out abut the same as did Gus. In the end Defenses figure them out in about the same time frame and from there it is all down hill for the offensive production.

I am not an NFL coach and I cannot diagnose the exact problem but it is clear there is an issue there that is holding the offense back.


i believe one reason why T-jack did bad was because we tried to make him a pocket passer it seemed like.

and as we all know. he isnt a pocket passer.

and now we send gus doing roll outs. and he is like a moving tree

Purple Floyd
11-27-2008, 12:54 PM
"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:








Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.
;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

Not great, definately not great, but damn, even you gotta admit, Gus has really started to look like shit now that teams have a bit of tape on him.
::)


Every QB we put on the field under Bevell and Chilly looks like shit after other teams get some film on them.

That alone should throw up a big red flag for anybody who is watching the development(Or lack of) of the team.
Nobody has been able to put the finger on the exact cause but the coaching staff has certainly fallen short in their ability to keep one step ahead of the defenses they face. Johnson started out 4-2. Jackson started out abut the same as did Gus. In the end Defenses figure them out in about the same time frame and from there it is all down hill for the offensive production.

I am not an NFL coach and I cannot diagnose the exact problem but it is clear there is an issue there that is holding the offense back.


i believe one reason why T-jack did bad was because we tried to make him a pocket passer it seemed like.

and as we all know. he isnt a pocket passer.

and now we send gus doing roll outs. and he is like a moving tree


So you are contending that the coaching staff is looking at what the strengths of the QB are and then they are making them do the exact opposite? That would be bizarre but not beyond belief.

V4L
11-27-2008, 12:59 PM
I think it's true as well

T-jack is unaccurate as it is.. Roll out or in the pocket.. Outside of the pocket however he has the option to take off.. They weren't getting him outside of the pocket

Gus.. I have no idea why they roll him out.. He is worse on the run and doesn't make good decisions outside of the pocket

So I think that's true.. But mostly they just suck

ragz
11-29-2008, 06:19 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:






Which ever QB is playing will have his faults and we will want to see the other one instead. But at least with TJ we think he has a chance to get better. Gus just seems to be getting worse.
I still think TJ will play before the season is over. Gus can't take many more of those hits.

You my friend, are wise beyond your years.


I hope TJ took some reps with the starters this week as maybe the sleeping bear that is the Bores defense will awaken to the point of causing ole Statue boy a bit of pain this weekend.
(Ouch).


...cuz, you know, no matter which one plays we'll wind up smellin like mookie-stink....but at least it'll be NEW mookie instead of OLD mookie....

sheesh!

Caine

You are hitting the nail on the head my friend.
Problem is I just can't take another week of watching guys come up the middle/collapsing the pocket and ole Statue Boy just taking it.

At least (maybe) if TJ was put in there the coaching staff (if they woke up any) would move the pocket around a bit thereby negating some of the pass rush the other teams are throwing at us, which by the way is pretty basic stuff and is still working because our QB has roots growing through his cleats.

;D


yeah

It is so much better looking at 'ol deer in the headlights boy with that "WTF should I do now" glare as the gap between the wr's and cb's closes into nothing. Yeah, that would be great. ;)

Not great, definately not great, but gol 'darnit, even you gotta admit, Gus has really started to look like pooh now that teams have a bit of tape on him.

::)


Every QB we put on the field under Bevell and Chilly looks like pooh after other teams get some film on them.

That alone should throw up a big red flag for anybody who is watching the development(Or lack of) of the team.

Nobody has been able to put the finger on the exact cause but the coaching staff has certainly fallen short in their ability to keep one step ahead of the defenses they face. Johnson started out 4-2. Jackson started out abut the same as did Gus. In the end Defenses figure them out in about the same time frame and from there it is all down hill for the offensive production.

I am not an NFL coach and I cannot diagnose the exact problem but it is clear there is an issue there that is holding the offense back.

you put it perfectly uff.
i mean who cares about breaking things down anymore.
its been 3 years, lets just do the process of elimination and figure out whats been the constant with the offense.
chilly.
i think its hard to judge alot of aspects of our offense besides the qbs cuz of whos running the ship.
now teams like the dolphins, falcons, and ravens, all made some personell changes, but nothing that warrants them turning terrible teams into contenders.
new coaches came in and made alot of players who mostly stunk and were already there, into weapons.
i think we have the potentional to be one of those teams with the right guy.
i think we have way too much talent for us to be as mediocre as we are, really on both sides of the ball.
i could be wrong, but until we see someone else use these guys the only one i can think of to blame is baldy.

Marrdro
11-30-2008, 10:07 AM
"ragz" wrote:


you put it perfectly uff.
i mean who cares about breaking things down anymore.
its been 3 years, lets just do the process of elimination and figure out whats been the constant with the offense.
chilly.
i think its hard to judge alot of aspects of our offense besides the qbs cuz of whos running the ship.
now teams like the dolphins, falcons, and ravens, all made some personell changes, but nothing that warrants them turning terrible teams into contenders.
new coaches came in and made alot of players who mostly stunk and were already there, into weapons.
i think we have the potentional to be one of those teams with the right guy.
i think we have way too much talent for us to be as mediocre as we are, really on both sides of the ball.
i could be wrong, but until we see someone else use these guys the only one i can think of to blame is baldy.

Not sure if this is what you are trying to say, but if it is, I agree 100%.....

My biggest beef with the Chiller and his staff isn't the scheme or the players, but rather the system he is using week in and week out to get those players ready to execute the weekly game plan with in the scheme.

If they bring in a guy who will stick with the scheme, but bring a new system then I don't see a significant issue with respect to going a new way with the coaching staff.

If you mean something else, then I totally disagree with you......
;D
;D
;D

ragz
12-01-2008, 09:48 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


you put it perfectly uff.
i mean who cares about breaking things down anymore.
its been 3 years, lets just do the process of elimination and figure out whats been the constant with the offense.
chilly.
i think its hard to judge alot of aspects of our offense besides the qbs cuz of whos running the ship.
now teams like the dolphins, falcons, and ravens, all made some personell changes, but nothing that warrants them turning terrible teams into contenders.
new coaches came in and made alot of players who mostly stunk and were already there, into weapons.
i think we have the potentional to be one of those teams with the right guy.
i think we have way too much talent for us to be as mediocre as we are, really on both sides of the ball.
i could be wrong, but until we see someone else use these guys the only one i can think of to blame is baldy.

Not sure if this is what you are trying to say, but if it is, I agree 100%.....

My biggest beef with the Chiller and his staff isn't the scheme or the players, but rather the system he is using week in and week out to get those players ready to execute the weekly game plan with in the scheme.

If they bring in a guy who will stick with the scheme, but bring a new system then I don't see a significant issue with respect to going a new way with the coaching staff.

If you mean something else, then I totally disagree with you......
;D
;D
;D

well the scheme week to week appears to be mostly the same, so if thats what YOU mean then i agree.
plus, he hasn't really ever gotten the team to even run the system efficiently.
you'd figure calling the same game week in and week out with have the players at least consistent with those plays.
but even they look sloppy most of the time.
there just seems to be no fluidity or for that matter a sense of knowing what we are and want to do.

vikesfargo
12-01-2008, 10:14 AM
Say what you will about Gus Frerrotte. He's as tough as nails.

C Mac D
12-01-2008, 10:15 AM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


Say what you will about Gus Frerrotte. He's as tough as nails.


He sure won me over last night.

Ranger
12-01-2008, 10:47 AM
Looked like a soccer flop to me.
Even Vladdy Divac was going, "Damn, that was a flop!"

gregair13
12-01-2008, 10:48 AM
Gus is good.

Marrdro
12-01-2008, 10:59 AM
"ragz" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ragz" wrote:


you put it perfectly uff.
i mean who cares about breaking things down anymore.
its been 3 years, lets just do the process of elimination and figure out whats been the constant with the offense.
chilly.
i think its hard to judge alot of aspects of our offense besides the qbs cuz of whos running the ship.
now teams like the dolphins, falcons, and ravens, all made some personell changes, but nothing that warrants them turning terrible teams into contenders.
new coaches came in and made alot of players who mostly stunk and were already there, into weapons.
i think we have the potentional to be one of those teams with the right guy.
i think we have way too much talent for us to be as mediocre as we are, really on both sides of the ball.
i could be wrong, but until we see someone else use these guys the only one i can think of to blame is baldy.

Not sure if this is what you are trying to say, but if it is, I agree 100%.....

My biggest beef with the Chiller and his staff isn't the scheme or the players, but rather the system he is using week in and week out to get those players ready to execute the weekly game plan with in the scheme.

If they bring in a guy who will stick with the scheme, but bring a new system then I don't see a significant issue with respect to going a new way with the coaching staff.

If you mean something else, then I totally disagree with you......
;D
;D
;D

well the scheme week to week appears to be mostly the same, so if thats what YOU mean then i agree.
plus, he hasn't really ever gotten the team to even run the system efficiently.
you'd figure calling the same game week in and week out with have the players at least consistent with those plays.
but even they look sloppy most of the time.
there just seems to be no fluidity or for that matter a sense of knowing what we are and want to do.

Not sure if I would call last nights effort as efficient, however, the Bores came to play and at first gave our OL fits.
Someone made some tweaks and got that ball rolling.
That along with the DL working thier magic, leads me to believe the scheme is sound.

Maybe, just maybe, the System, to get them ready to execute the scheme got a overhaul..... ;D

Big C
12-01-2008, 11:08 AM
Gus is the best QB on the roster at the moment. He has my support.

Purple Floyd
12-01-2008, 11:12 AM
He is still what he has been. He had a good game and he will probably have a bad one in the near future and then all the people cheering now will be calling for his head again.

Ranger
12-01-2008, 11:20 AM
Gus is Gus, man.
He'll make bonehead plays, and he'll make some big ones.
The clear advantage he brings us, at the moment, is his willingness to launch the deep ball.
Sure, he'll turn it over more frequently than T-Jack will, but he helps keep defenses a little more honest, particularly when he has the ability to hurl it downfield to a speedy guy like Berrian.


If he was able to get the ball out a little quicker to avoid some of those shots and sacks he takes, and show a little more accuracy, we could be a very dangerous team.

Marrdro
12-01-2008, 11:31 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He is still what he has been. He had a good game and he will probably have a bad one in the near future and then all the people cheering now will be calling for his head again.

Well said......Adequately articulated my friend.

V4L
12-01-2008, 01:51 PM
I still would like to keep Gus in but there is no doubt in my mind Jackson could make the dump off throws he makes

Besides the 99 yarder.. Throw to Shank.. And 1 to Rice all were slants and dumpoffs or short shit

The difference this game is he got lucky and made a couple throws he didn't make for the last 5 weeks

Kudos to Gus for only getting sacked a couple times and having just 1 on him this time

And for sticking in there and taking some shots and popping right back up besides the late hit

I like the guy but hope Jackson gets a shot sometime.. Like i've been saying keep in Gus cuz the team is winning and it would be absolutley pointless at this time for Jackson.. Earlier in the season to switch back would have made sense.. Not now

Gus is our starter and we will stick with it

Hopefully he can make some of the throws he did last night in the up coming games

Purple Floyd
12-01-2008, 06:43 PM
Gus + TJ = #1 QB tandem in the NFL baby.
Write it up.

gagarr
12-01-2008, 09:40 PM
Gus did what was asked of him.
Sure he dumps the ball off, but that's smart if the down field is covered.

I looked at the one INT against the Bears and it wasn't all Gus's fault.
The ball was a underthrown, but the defender didn't touch it.
Rice had one hand guarding Manning to prevent an INT and the other reaching for the ball, which ended up tipping it high landing in Payne's arms.
Payne wasn't in the picture before the tip, thus it wasn't really double coverage.

If Rice would have committed to catching the ball with 2 hands he probably would have.
If he didn't reach for it and tip it, it would have gone out of bounds. I'm not blaming Rice, he did what I'd expect a 2nd year player to do.
If the same situation happens again I think Rice will come down with the ball.

What I did like is Gus tossed the ball in a place where his WR can make the play.
Guys aren't going to be wide open on every throw, sometimes you need to put it where the guy can make the play and trust in them to do it.

singersp
12-02-2008, 06:49 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He is still what he has been. He had a good game and he will probably have a bad one in the near future and then all the people cheering now will be calling for his head again.

Well said......Adequately articulated my friend.


Meh, he had another mediocre game IMO. Half of his passing yards came on one play. Before that play, we punted 5 times in the first 6 possessions & only came away with 3 points on the 5th one.

Vikeman
12-02-2008, 07:05 AM
I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.

singersp
12-02-2008, 07:12 AM
"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.



What player caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates?

I can't think of any. Are you refering to Culpepper, Moss or someone else?

Culpepper didn't cause trouble the whole time he was here until after his injury.

Moss did not bail on us and his teammates.

SamOchoCinco
12-02-2008, 07:47 AM
"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.



i dont recall gus winning a super bowl. can you please tell me when he did?

and one HUGE reason why gus is undefeated at home is because of a guy by the name of ADRIAN PETERSON.

when gus has his stinking games. AP is right there to save him.

MN_SkolVikings_NC
12-02-2008, 08:00 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.



What player caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates?

I can't think of any. Are you refering to Culpepper, Moss or someone else?

Culpepper did cause trouble the whole time he was here.

Moss did not bail on us and his teammates.


I'm sorry?
He didn't bail on his teammates?
Um..... Am I the only one who saw him walking his routes when the play wasn't designed to go his way?
That is bailing on your teammates.
Selling out the team and not playing hard simply because you are not getting the ball.
That is the very definition of it.

MN_SkolVikings_NC
12-02-2008, 08:01 AM
P.s. - I am loving Gus at this point.
Undefeated at home, 7-3 since he started and I am seeing improvement in the offense every week.
I liked Gus the first time we had him and I like him this time.

petrodemos
12-02-2008, 08:40 AM
"SamOchoCinco" wrote:


"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.



i dont recall gus winning a super bowl. can you please tell me when he did?

and one HUGE reason why gus is undefeated at home is because of a guy by the name of ADRIAN PETERSON.

when gus has his stinking games. AP is right there to save him.


he said guys like gus.
defense plays much more solid at home, allen has 10 sacks at home, 1 in away games, defense The Vikings forced two fumbles, sacked Garrard four times and intercepted him twic at jax = road win. so if the defense would start playing on the road as they do at home frerottes numbers wont matter as much, as long as he limits his ints.

the giants last year werent great, but they played their best at the end of the season and they had a team that could win on the road and did so throughout the playoffs

Braddock
12-02-2008, 08:49 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Gus + TJ = #1 QB tandem in the NFL baby.
Write it up.


You may come to regret that. :)

petrodemos
12-02-2008, 09:29 AM
"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.



from what im gathering here, frerotte > moss?

???

kspurplepride
12-02-2008, 09:48 AM
Gus has a swagger that reminds me of Shane Falco (Keanu Reeves) from the Replacements. This guy will do anything to put the team first, and has no regard for personal safety (headbutt to the wall as a redskin). He's gotten killed trying to make some huge plays for us. This team rallies around him and his unshakable nature. When he's bad, he's bad, but still finds ways to win. When he's good he's good. I don't expect him to win us games, thats the job of our money sinkhole defense and Purple Jesus. This team is going to walk into the playoffs being written off as a first round exit, but in reality this team is a lot like that Bucs team that won the title. Teams don't like to meet with teams that are going to punch you in the mouth come December and January, this team has that capability (see Sapp lol). Gus fits the system, and carries the same swagger as the rest of this team. He is the most consistant quarterback we've had since the Culpepper/Moss days. He was good his first time around here, and he's been good this time around too

jargomcfargo
12-02-2008, 10:01 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Gus + TJ = #1 QB tandem in the NFL baby.
Write it up.


I'm not even sure they have a 12 step program for what's ailing you right now. Just say no!

jmcdon00
12-02-2008, 10:17 AM
"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.


I have a hard time underastanding you. You seem to favor a guy that has had 1/2 of a decent season over a guy who had 7 pro-bowl seasons here and took the team to the NFC championship game twice.
And I'm not sure what you mean by guys like Gus? Career back up QBs? Or just white QBs? Moss has not won a superbowl, the majority of NFL players never win a superbowl and no one player has ever won a superbowl without a lot of help from a good team. 32 teams and only one wins a superbowl. Even a player with a 16 year career only has a 50% chance of winning a superbowl.
Yes Gus is tough as nails, probably why he has started all of 48 games in the last 11 seasons(moss started 160 in the same period).
When talking about WR's recievers that don't win superbowls you forgot to mention Plexico Burress, oh wait that is because he did win a superbowl, beating Randy Moss and the Patriots. Wow 2 of the best deep threats in the NFL both make it to the superbowl. I forget, how many superbowls has gus been to?

Marrdro
12-02-2008, 10:34 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.


I have a hard time underastanding you. You seem to favor a guy that has had 1/2 of a decent season over a guy who had 7 pro-bowl seasons here and took the team to the NFC championship game twice.
And I'm not sure what you mean by guys like Gus? Career back up QBs? Or just white QBs? Moss has not won a superbowl, the majority of NFL players never win a superbowl and no one player has ever won a superbowl without a lot of help from a good team. 32 teams and only one wins a superbowl. Even a player with a 16 year career only has a 50% chance of winning a superbowl.
Yes Gus is tough as nails, probably why he has started all of 48 games in the last 11 seasons(moss started 160 in the same period).
When talking about WR's recievers that don't win superbowls you forgot to mention Plexico Burress, oh wait that is because he did win a superbowl, beating Randy Moss and the Patriots. Wow 2 of the best deep threats in the NFL both make it to the superbowl. I forget, how many superbowls has gus been to?

Vikeman cracks me up.

I think I might need to start a whole new spreadsheet just for him. ;D

NDVikingFan66
12-02-2008, 11:42 AM
Gus is not great...but he has something in him that is helping this team out.

Is he great...No.
Does he suck....No
Is Gus our long term solution....No

Can he take us to the Super Bowl.
Not on his own, but again, he has something right now.
It's not a skill, but it is something.
He is not making a ton of mistakes, though he does make them.

Now, I believe I have seen this team get better each week, and I like that.
Are we perfect yet...not even close.
But we have some important pieces in place.

Defense...they say this wins championships

Running Game...best 2 headed monster in the league

Receiver...Nice combination of different talents there.
They still have a ways to go, but some of that is to be laid on the QB and the O-Line

O-Line...these guys scare me.
I still see to many mistakes that are made at the wrong time.

William Brothers....beyond our control, but if they get to keep playing...awesome.
If not, there is always next year

Now again, I don't think Gus is awesome, but he is not terrible.
Our TOA had better be researching options for a longer term more solid solution, instead of ignoring it.

We are definitely going to have some issues coming up.
Not sure when contracts expire and such, but we need to keep our D intact, and plug in some holes in some spots.

Vikeman
12-02-2008, 11:50 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.


I have a hard time underastanding you. You seem to favor a guy that has had 1/2 of a decent season over a guy who had 7 pro-bowl seasons here and took the team to the NFC championship game twice.
And I'm not sure what you mean by guys like Gus? Career back up QBs? Or just white QBs? Moss has not won a superbowl, the majority of NFL players never win a superbowl and no one player has ever won a superbowl without a lot of help from a good team. 32 teams and only one wins a superbowl. Even a player with a 16 year career only has a 50% chance of winning a superbowl.
Yes Gus is tough as nails, probably why he has started all of 48 games in the last 11 seasons(moss started 160 in the same period).
When talking about WR's recievers that don't win superbowls you forgot to mention Plexico Burress, oh wait that is because he did win a superbowl, beating Randy Moss and the Patriots. Wow 2 of the best deep threats in the NFL both make it to the superbowl. I forget, how many superbowls has gus been to?


And how did those two champ games turn out???
If you are going to the big dance with no intention of actually dancing, I would rather stay home.
Just my opinion--but I found no fun or joy in watching my beloved team lay eggs on the football field.
It would be one thing if they went down with a fight, but we all are kidding ourselves if we think otherwise.
Gus has been to zero SBs, but with "D' and a running game, he has a shot just like B. Johnson, and Trent Dilfer did.

Vikeman
12-02-2008, 11:52 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Vikeman" wrote:


I'm having a hard time understanding Vikes fans.
The majority of you love a guy who caused trouble the whole time he was here, then bailed on us and his teammates.
And now you have a QB who is UNDEFEATED at home and is 7-3 over all, and you post a "Disgust for Gus thread."
No, he's not gonna throw for 300 yds. per game and four TDs, but he is tough as nails and always puts the TEAM first.
Guys like Gus HAVE won SBs, (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc.)
RM, TO, CJ, and SS down in carolina have NEVER won SBs and they probably never will!
Forget about bling because it doesn't win championships.


I have a hard time underastanding you. You seem to favor a guy that has had 1/2 of a decent season over a guy who had 7 pro-bowl seasons here and took the team to the NFC championship game twice.
And I'm not sure what you mean by guys like Gus? Career back up QBs? Or just white QBs? Moss has not won a superbowl, the majority of NFL players never win a superbowl and no one player has ever won a superbowl without a lot of help from a good team. 32 teams and only one wins a superbowl. Even a player with a 16 year career only has a 50% chance of winning a superbowl.
Yes Gus is tough as nails, probably why he has started all of 48 games in the last 11 seasons(moss started 160 in the same period).
When talking about WR's recievers that don't win superbowls you forgot to mention Plexico Burress, oh wait that is because he did win a superbowl, beating Randy Moss and the Patriots. Wow 2 of the best deep threats in the NFL both make it to the superbowl. I forget, how many superbowls has gus been to?

Vikeman cracks me up.

I think I might need to start a whole new spreadsheet just for him. ;D


Are there cash prizes that come with that spreadsheet???
Yes, I dig controversy, it gets my blood pumping!

Vikeman
12-02-2008, 11:57 AM
"NDVikingFan66" wrote:


Gus is not great...but he has something in him that is helping this team out.

Is he great...No.
Does he suck....No
Is Gus our long term solution....No

Can he take us to the Super Bowl.
Not on his own, but again, he has something right now.
It's not a skill, but it is something.
He is not making a ton of mistakes, though he does make them.

Now, I believe I have seen this team get better each week, and I like that.
Are we perfect yet...not even close.
But we have some important pieces in place.

Defense...they say this wins championships

Running Game...best 2 headed monster in the league

Receiver...Nice combination of different talents there.
They still have a ways to go, but some of that is to be laid on the QB and the O-Line

O-Line...these guys scare me.
I still see to many mistakes that are made at the wrong time.

William Brothers....beyond our control, but if they get to keep playing...awesome.
If not, there is always next year

Now again, I don't think Gus is awesome, but he is not terrible.
Our TOA had better be researching options for a longer term more solid solution, instead of ignoring it.

We are definitely going to have some issues coming up.
Not sure when contracts expire and such, but we need to keep our D intact, and plug in some holes in some spots.







Couldn't have said it any better myself!
When you look at all the teams over the last decade who have put it together mid-season, I like our chances!

Purple Floyd
12-02-2008, 12:42 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Gus + TJ = #1 QB tandem in the NFL baby.
Write it up.


I'm not even sure they have a 12 step program for what's ailing you right now. Just say no!


Just being positive about the team

marstc09
12-07-2008, 06:59 PM
Gus leads the league in INTs with 15.

NaughtyWord
12-07-2008, 07:06 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


Gus leads the league in INTs with 15.


You think TJ would have done better?


Personally, I'd like to see all three sent home and get ourselves a world-class QB that can lead this team.
Neither GF or TJ is the future of this team.

i_bleed_purple
12-07-2008, 07:07 PM
"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus leads the league in INTs with 15.


You think TJ would have done better?


Personally, I'd like to see all three sent home and get ourselves a world-class QB that can lead this team.
Neither GF or TJ is the future of this team.


those world-class QB's don't grow on trees.

marstc09
12-07-2008, 07:08 PM
"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus leads the league in INTs with 15.


You think TJ would have done better?


Personally, I'd like to see all three sent home and get ourselves a world-class QB that can lead this team.
Neither GF or TJ is the future of this team.


Did I say that? No. Thank you come again.

C Mac D
12-07-2008, 07:08 PM
"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus leads the league in INTs with 15.


You think TJ would have done better?


Personally, I'd like to see all three sent home and get ourselves a world-class QB that can lead this team.
Neither GF or TJ is the future of this team.


Whether or not we think TJ would have done better is irrelevant... the fact still stands that Gus leads the league in picks.

TJ didn't have two healthy WRs in Rice and Berrian... and Shank is actually catching the ball now.

Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.

i_bleed_purple
12-07-2008, 07:09 PM
"C" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus leads the league in INTs with 15.


You think TJ would have done better?


Personally, I'd like to see all three sent home and get ourselves a world-class QB that can lead this team.
Neither GF or TJ is the future of this team.


Whether or not we think TJ would have done better is irrelevant... the fact still stands that Gus leads the league in picks.

TJ didn't have two healthy WRs in Rice and Berrian... and Shank is actually catching the ball now.

Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.


TJ has a grand total of 1 INT

marstc09
12-07-2008, 07:30 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus leads the league in INTs with 15.


You think TJ would have done better?


Personally, I'd like to see all three sent home and get ourselves a world-class QB that can lead this team.
Neither GF or TJ is the future of this team.


Whether or not we think TJ would have done better is irrelevant... the fact still stands that Gus leads the league in picks.

TJ didn't have two healthy WRs in Rice and Berrian... and Shank is actually catching the ball now.

Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.


TJ has a grand total of 1 INT


So lets just take an average. About 3 games at 1. So that would put him at about 5 if I round up. No where near Gus.
:D
;)

NaughtyWord
12-07-2008, 07:34 PM
"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.
His inability to throw the deep ball keeps the opposing defense in the box.
When the entire defense is with 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it is detrimental to our running team.

Gus on the other hand has little control and next to no ability to scramble.
That and he's a hit short from a serious injury that would cause us to rely on TJ.

It's hard for me to compare GF to TJ, as they both are simply mediocre at best.

i_bleed_purple
12-07-2008, 07:37 PM
"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.
His inability to throw the deep ball keeps the opposing defense in the box.

When the entire defense is with 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it is detrimental to our running team.

Gus on the other hand has little control and next to no ability to scramble.
That and he's a hit short from a serious injury that would cause us to rely on TJ.

It's hard for me to compare GF to TJ, as they both are simply mediocre at best.


TJ didn'thand the colts our defense.
we had a 15 point lead going into the 4th.
Our defense let them back in it.
TJ had no picks, he was'nt the reason we lost.

NaughtyWord
12-07-2008, 07:48 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.
His inability to throw the deep ball keeps the opposing defense in the box.

When the entire defense is with 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it is detrimental to our running team.

Gus on the other hand has little control and next to no ability to scramble.
That and he's a hit short from a serious injury that would cause us to rely on TJ.

It's hard for me to compare GF to TJ, as they both are simply mediocre at best.


TJ didn'thand the colts our defense.
we had a 15 point lead going into the 4th.
Our defense let them back in it.
TJ had no picks, he was'nt the reason we lost.



Fine, I'll conceed to that, but everything else stands true about TJ.

i_bleed_purple
12-07-2008, 07:53 PM
"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.


those were team losses, we shouldn't have been in a position to "choke and hande the colts and GB a win".
Noone played well those games.



His inability to throw the deep ball keeps the opposing defense in the box.

When the entire defense is with 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it is detrimental to our running team.

au contraire, i notice many times, the lions played regular 4-3, with the linebackers about 5 yards off the ball, and two safeties deep.
No stacked box today.



Gus on the other hand has little control and next to no ability to scramble.
That and he's a hit short from a serious injury that would cause us to rely on TJ.
that is true, Gus has the upper hand since he can make some good decisions, he just can't throw it where he wants it, resulting in a pick.
If you go back and watch every pick he made, you'll see the reciever was often open, he just threw an inaccurate ball resulting in a pick



It's hard for me to compare GF to TJ, as they both are simply mediocre at best.


That I can agree with.

ragz
12-07-2008, 07:57 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.
His inability to throw the deep ball keeps the opposing defense in the box.

When the entire defense is with 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it is detrimental to our running team.

Gus on the other hand has little control and next to no ability to scramble.
That and he's a hit short from a serious injury that would cause us to rely on TJ.

It's hard for me to compare GF to TJ, as they both are simply mediocre at best.


TJ didn'thand the colts our defense.
we had a 15 point lead going into the 4th.
Our defense let them back in it.
TJ had no picks, he was'nt the reason we lost.

lets be honest, ferrotte has not been mediocre really.
hes been more bad giving opposing teams points almost every week.
and tjack might be mediocre, but theres a "chance" he could be more.
we all know theres not with ferrotte.
if the objective of a team is to get better, jackson is the only qb that gives us a chance to do so.
ferrotte will just keep us status quo, or worse if we go by the direction hes been going over the last 4-5 games.

midgensa
12-07-2008, 08:00 PM
"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.
His inability to throw the deep ball keeps the opposing defense in the box.

When the entire defense is with 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it is detrimental to our running team.

Gus on the other hand has little control and next to no ability to scramble.
That and he's a hit short from a serious injury that would cause us to rely on TJ.

It's hard for me to compare GF to TJ, as they both are simply mediocre at best.


TJ didn'thand the colts our defense.
we had a 15 point lead going into the 4th.
Our defense let them back in it.
TJ had no picks, he was'nt the reason we lost.



Fine, I'll conceed to that, but everything else stands true about TJ.


I won't concede that. T-Jack's inability to convert 3rd down's in the third and fourth quarter were the reason we lost that game. Also his lack of protecting the ball with a big lead and his lack of posing any threat downfield so that the Colts could stack the box lead to the comeback win.
With a 9-0 lead TJ failed to convert on a 2nd-6 and 3rd-11 from the Colts 21 leading to a FG and a 12-0 lead. With a 12-0 lead and the ball at the Colts 10 TJ failed to convert on 3rd-10 leading to a FG and a 15-0 lead.
With a 15-7 lead TJ fumbled the ball away on 2nd-11. With a 15-7 lead TJ failed to convert on 3rd-8 to a fairly open Allison. With a 15-0 lead and the ball at the Colts 47 the offense called 5 rushing plays in a row because of their lack of confidence in TJ. Leads to a missed FG, still 15-7.
With it 15-15 TJ misses and open Berrian on 3rd-6 forcing a punt.
All in all the team converted 2-13 third downs on Tarvaris' watch in that game. He had EVERYTHING to do with losing that game.

Of course all that said ... I am all for him starting in Arizona.

ragz
12-07-2008, 08:11 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.
His inability to throw the deep ball keeps the opposing defense in the box.

When the entire defense is with 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it is detrimental to our running team.

Gus on the other hand has little control and next to no ability to scramble.
That and he's a hit short from a serious injury that would cause us to rely on TJ.

It's hard for me to compare GF to TJ, as they both are simply mediocre at best.


TJ didn'thand the colts our defense.
we had a 15 point lead going into the 4th.
Our defense let them back in it.
TJ had no picks, he was'nt the reason we lost.



Fine, I'll conceed to that, but everything else stands true about TJ.


I won't concede that. T-Jack's inability to convert 3rd down's in the third and fourth quarter were the reason we lost that game. Also his lack of protecting the ball with a big lead and his lack of posing any threat downfield so that the Colts could stack the box lead to the comeback win.
With a 9-0 lead TJ failed to convert on a 2nd-6 and 3rd-11 from the Colts 21 leading to a FG and a 12-0 lead. With a 12-0 lead and the ball at the Colts 10 TJ failed to convert on 3rd-10 leading to a FG and a 15-0 lead.
With a 15-7 lead TJ fumbled the ball away on 2nd-11. With a 15-7 lead TJ failed to convert on 3rd-8 to a fairly open Allison. With a 15-0 lead and the ball at the Colts 47 the offense called 5 rushing plays in a row because of their lack of confidence in TJ. Leads to a missed FG, still 15-7.
With it 15-15 TJ misses and open Berrian on 3rd-6 forcing a punt.
All in all the team converted 2-13 third downs on Tarvaris' watch in that game. He had EVERYTHING to do with losing that game.

Of course all that said ... I am all for him starting in Arizona.

oh, so jackson was to blame for hicks getting destroyed in 1 sec and getting blind sided causing the fumble, and he is solely the cause of 3rd down ineffiency and not drops or playcalling or anything besides him.
this was the problem with guys like you when he got forced to the bench, everything is blamed on him solely.
if ferrotte being in has proven anything, the offense as a whole is a problem alot of the time, all the way to bevell and childress.
he wasnt good thats for sure, but he also wasn't giving the opposing team 7 points every week on interceptions.
ferrotte anyone.
maybe his attitude of playing not to lose is gone now that he got benched and really has nothing to lose.
if all that is not a crock or an excuse for his play previously maybe theres a chance alot of those things improve.
i personally hope we get a chance to see

UMDTwinsfan
12-07-2008, 08:15 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.
His inability to throw the deep ball keeps the opposing defense in the box.

When the entire defense is with 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it is detrimental to our running team.

Gus on the other hand has little control and next to no ability to scramble.
That and he's a hit short from a serious injury that would cause us to rely on TJ.

It's hard for me to compare GF to TJ, as they both are simply mediocre at best.


TJ didn'thand the colts our defense.
we had a 15 point lead going into the 4th.
Our defense let them back in it.
TJ had no picks, he was'nt the reason we lost.



Fine, I'll conceed to that, but everything else stands true about TJ.


I won't concede that. T-Jack's inability to convert 3rd down's in the third and fourth quarter were the reason we lost that game. Also his lack of protecting the ball with a big lead and his lack of posing any threat downfield so that the Colts could stack the box lead to the comeback win.
With a 9-0 lead TJ failed to convert on a 2nd-6 and 3rd-11 from the Colts 21 leading to a FG and a 12-0 lead. With a 12-0 lead and the ball at the Colts 10 TJ failed to convert on 3rd-10 leading to a FG and a 15-0 lead.
With a 15-7 lead TJ fumbled the ball away on 2nd-11. With a 15-7 lead TJ failed to convert on 3rd-8 to a fairly open Allison. With a 15-0 lead and the ball at the Colts 47 the offense called 5 rushing plays in a row because of their lack of confidence in TJ. Leads to a missed FG, still 15-7.
With it 15-15 TJ misses and open Berrian on 3rd-6 forcing a punt.
All in all the team converted 2-13 third downs on Tarvaris' watch in that game. He had EVERYTHING to do with losing that game.

Of course all that said ... I am all for him starting in Arizona.


3rd and 11...3rd and 8 ....2nd and 11 How are these TJ's fault at all I thought we were all under teh understanding that it was simply his job NOT to lose the game which I don't think he ever truly did. The pick against the pack happened..every QB throws picks he was trying to make something happen. When you don't give a QB many opportunities to use their abilities they never improve.

Also in that Colts game I beleive there was a deep pass TJ through that went right through Berrians hands that would have practically put the game on ice. We still had that game regardless it came down to play-calling(where we routinely get beat) and Peyton Manning picking our drop zone apart at teh end of the game.

mamaluke
12-07-2008, 08:19 PM
I think Frerotte throws way too many interceptions and looks like he is half asleep put there sometimes. I wouldn't mind if Jackson had to start a few games. I thinks he is much more of an athlete and can get out of certain sutuations that Frerotte can. He is much more of a double threat to run/pass the ball. I think he deserves another shot to prove himself before he is completely written off as a bust. I mean besides that pass Frerotte threw to berrian last week he has not impressed me at all.

UMDTwinsfan
12-07-2008, 08:22 PM
"mamaluke" wrote:


I think Frerotte throws way too many interceptions and looks like he is half asleep put there sometimes. I wouldn't mind if Jackson had to start a few games. I thinks he is much more of an athlete and can get out of certain sutuations that Frerotte can. He is much more of a double threat to run/pass the ball. I think he deserves another shot to prove himself before he is completely written off as a bust. I mean besides that pass Frerotte threw to berrian last week he has not impressed me at all.


I wouldn't even say that pass was all that impressive I mean it's difficult to hit a receiver in stride but that throw was like warm ups I would have been furious had it not been made given that the corner bit so hard on a slant that he was 20 yards away from Berrian when the ball was thrown. Gus routinely makes terrible routine throws atleast I'm confident Tjack can hit the slant or out without skipping it at the receivers feet. Sure Tjack needs some work on his deep ball but alot of gus's deep balls this year have been anything but pretty and hes been bailed out by Berrian a couple times.

ragz
12-07-2008, 08:26 PM
"UMDTwinsfan" wrote:


"mamaluke" wrote:


I think Frerotte throws way too many interceptions and looks like he is half asleep put there sometimes. I wouldn't mind if Jackson had to start a few games. I thinks he is much more of an athlete and can get out of certain sutuations that Frerotte can. He is much more of a double threat to run/pass the ball. I think he deserves another shot to prove himself before he is completely written off as a bust. I mean besides that pass Frerotte threw to berrian last week he has not impressed me at all.


I wouldn't even say that pass was all that impressive I mean it's difficult to hit a receiver in stride but that throw was like warm ups I would have been furious had it not been made given that the corner bit so hard on a slant that he was 20 yards away from Berrian when the ball was thrown. Gus routinely makes terrible routine throws atleast I'm confident Tjack can hit the slant or out without skipping it at the receivers feet. Sure Tjack needs some work on his deep ball but alot of gus's deep balls this year have been anything but pretty and hes been bailed out by Berrian a couple times.

the only thing that was good about that 99 yder is that sometimes when guys are that wide open qbs get overexcited and screw it up, otherwise you cant get much easier of a throw.

singersp
12-08-2008, 06:16 AM
"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.


Geez, what I remember from the GB game that you must not have watched was Shiancoe choking & dropping the game winning TD.

How was that Jacksons fault?

Geez, what I remember from the Indy game that you must not have watched was Griffin choking & giving up the big pass play to Gonzales which led to the game winning TD.

How was that Jacksons fault?

Purple Floyd
12-08-2008, 08:46 AM
This KAO is now running like a machine.

The coaching staff has the offense clicking to the point it doesn't matter who is in there. They can just plug in a player and keep on winning. That is the true hallmark of a superior system.

MN_SkolVikings_NC
12-08-2008, 08:58 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


This KAO is now running like a machine.

The coaching staff has the offense clicking to the point it doesn't matter who is in there. They can just plug in a player and keep on winning. That is the true hallmark of a superior system.


I don't know about plugging in just ANY player, but I agree with your general idea.
The offense is starting to look like a "real" offense out there.
I see plays being mixed in when you don't expect them, a nice balance of pass and run (even though we are admittadly a run first offense), and seeing a lot of players being involved.
Even though yesterday was ugly, we still had Shiancoe, Rice, Wade, Taylor, Peterson, Dugan, and probably some others (haven't re-watched it yet) involved in the offense.
I like it!

Now let's not dump Gus right away just because TJack hit a couple of slants and screens.
He did good, was efficient, and was impressive, but I will reserve judgement until I see him against a good team for a full game.

FuadFan
12-08-2008, 04:59 PM
Childress is sticking to his word with Gus

http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2261


Though if there is any truth to this it may be over for Gus


http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2259

jmcdon00
12-08-2008, 05:29 PM
In 13 games this year the Lions defense has 4 interceptions. 3 of those were thrown by Gus in 1 and a 1/2 games.

The Dropper
12-08-2008, 05:36 PM
"FuadFan" wrote:


Childress is sticking to his word with Gus

http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2261


Though if there is any truth to this it may be over for Gus


http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2259




Boo.

V4L
12-08-2008, 05:40 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


In 13 games this year the Lions defense has 4 interceptions. 3 of those were thrown by Gus in 1 and a 1/2 games.




LMAO

jmcdon00
12-08-2008, 05:44 PM
Gus is tied with Favre for
the most Int's this year(15). He is tied for 17th in TD passes(12).

V4L
12-08-2008, 05:49 PM
15 in 10 and a half games? Or has he played more or less?

How many times has he been sacked? Gotta be top 3 if not tops.. He's bad

VikesFanInNC
12-08-2008, 06:13 PM
Gus just has this issue with stepping up in the pocket. Seems like every time he has to step up its for the worse and not the better.

V4L
12-08-2008, 06:16 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Gus leads the league in INTs with 15.


You think TJ would have done better?


Personally, I'd like to see all three sent home and get ourselves a world-class QB that can lead this team.
Neither GF or TJ is the future of this team.


Whether or not we think TJ would have done better is irrelevant... the fact still stands that Gus leads the league in picks.

TJ didn't have two healthy WRs in Rice and Berrian... and Shank is actually catching the ball now.

Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.


TJ has a grand total of 1 INT


So lets just take an average. About 3 games at 1. So that would put him at about 5 if I round up. No where near Gus.
:D
;)



WOOOO!!!

jmcdon00
12-08-2008, 06:43 PM
"V4L" wrote:


15 in 10 and a half games? Or has he played more or less?

How many times has he been sacked? Gotta be top 3 if not tops.. He's bad

8th place with 29 sacks. Matt Cassel leads the league with 42.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_INTERCEPTIONS&d-447263-n=1

The Dropper
12-08-2008, 06:53 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


Gus is tied with Favre for
the most Int's this year(15). He is tied for 17th in TD passes(12).


Probably worth noting that Gus has thrown 120 less passes than Favre. Ouch.

marstc09
12-08-2008, 07:15 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


In 13 games this year the Lions defense has 4 interceptions. 3 of those were thrown by Gus in 1 and a 1/2 games.


Wow that makes Gus look really bad.

marstc09
12-08-2008, 07:16 PM
"The" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


Gus is tied with Favre for
the most Int's this year(15). He is tied for 17th in TD passes(12).


Probably worth noting that Gus has thrown 120 less passes than Favre. Ouch.


LOL. Take that Marrdro.

erik5032
12-08-2008, 07:17 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


In 13 games this year the Lions defense has 4 interceptions. 3 of those were thrown by Gus in 1 and a 1/2 games.


Wow that makes Gus look really bad.


haha... that is bad.

But you know some teams have a QB's number... Like the Vikings and Brett Favre :)

NaughtyWord
12-08-2008, 07:40 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"NaughtyWord" wrote:


"C" wrote:



Have some hope and give the kid a chance, your defeatist mentality is falling on deaf ears.



I did, and any hope I had evaporated as I watched TJ choke and hand the Colts and GB a win in week 2 and 1 respectively.


Geez, what I remember from the GB game that you must not have watched was Shiancoe choking & dropping the game winning TD.



You're forgetting during the last 2 minutes of the game we were on a final drive and TJ choked, and handed the ball over to GB, at what point they just took 3 knees for the win.

StillPurple
12-08-2008, 07:43 PM
I noticed how we are not opening passing lanes for Gus to throw through. He is constantly faced with guys batting the ball.

Bars92
12-08-2008, 07:46 PM
Gus's best game was the N.O. Monday nighter. His time is done though. TJack is surrounded by so many good football players, he's gotta take over.

DustinDupont
12-08-2008, 07:52 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


In 13 games this year the Lions defense has 4 interceptions. 3 of those were thrown by Gus in 1 and a 1/2 games.


Wow that makes Gus look really bad.


well its gus he is really bad

Bars92
12-08-2008, 08:29 PM
never has there been such a good football team assembled, Williams bros, Peterson, J Allen, Berian, Winfield, with such a bad QB situation.

midgensa
12-08-2008, 09:11 PM
"Bars92" wrote:


never has there been such a good football team assembled, Williams bros, Peterson, J Allen, Berian, Winfield, with such a bad QB situation.


There have been a lot of uber-talented teams with terrible QBs. Hell ... the Bears went to the Super Bowl just a couple of years ago with garbage at QB. The Ravens won the Super Bowl with a crappy QB.
Neither of those teams might have been "as bad" (though I would say Rex was as bad) but still very similar situations. It actually happens fairly often. Hell ... look at Tennessee just last season with garbage under center and all the talent surrounding him.
It is tough as hell to get a QB in this league. Just the way it is. We are not the first team to struggle with it and wont be the last.