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FanSince74
09-14-2008, 07:05 PM
Webby, you nailed it on the head in that diatribe on the homepage.

Here's what I see in the first two games/losses:

-- HORRIBLE PLAYCALLING: Defenses realize the offense is one-dimensional, and Childress plays right into their hands with basic handoffs up the middle and predictable pass plays. God bless AP for doing as much as he does, because the coaching staff is not doing ANYTHING to get him the ball in space so he can create and do what he does. Every handoff is off tackle left, off tackle right. Predictable!

-- T-JACK HAS EXPIRED: I never thought he was going to be much from the first game I saw him in two years ago. He got killed because he hadn't learned to step up in the pocket to buy time and avoid the rush. That's basic stuff. He seemed like a project. Two years later and he's the poor man's Michael Vick. Terrible accuracy, even worse decision making and just no spark. The offense sputters with him at QB. He must go and go now before this season is lost. Childress has to believe by now that, since you only go as far as your QB takes you, his high-school level QB isn't taking them anywhere. Why didn't they pick up Chad Pennington??

-- DEFENSIVE HEART: I like what I am seeing from the D. I think they will get even better once they have a few weeks under their belts. They play with a little fire, but they are so pathetically prone to the big play. It never fails. The secondary is cheese. Opponents such as the Colts literally could impose its will against them and make big plays to steal the game. The Colts stepped it up, played with some urgency, and walked
over the defense and did what they had to do to win the game.


TIME TO SHAKE IT UP: With the 2-0 Panthers coming to the Dome next week, the Vikings could easily be looking at 0-3 to start the season. This team doesn't know how to win with the personnel it has leading them. The defense is keeping them in the games but the O isn't putting up the points to win. TJack needs to sit down and let someone else try to spark this offense. AP needs to get the ball, and the coaching staff need to make him more multi-dimensional. Runs, swing passes, pitch outs, etc. Get AP the ball and let him create. Stop these runs over guards and tackles. Wake up Mr. Childress: Your Season is hanging in the balance. We need to lose the Pop Warner QB and get some life pumped back into this team. I still think this team is a contender with a better QB.

vikeswin2005
09-14-2008, 07:09 PM
WNice 1st post....Welcome to the boards!!!

nailhead77
09-14-2008, 07:14 PM
"FanSince74" wrote:


Webby, you nailed it on the head in that diatribe on the homepage.

Here's what I see in the first two games/losses:

-- HORRIBLE PLAYCALLING: Defenses realize the offense is one-dimensional, and Childress plays right into their hands with basic handoffs up the middle and predictable pass plays. God bless AP for doing as much as he does, because the coaching staff is not doing ANYTHING to get him the ball in space so he can create and do what he does. Every handoff is off tackle left, off tackle right. Predictable!

-- T-JACK HAS EXPIRED: I never thought he was going to be much from the first game I saw him in two years ago. He got killed because he hadn't learned to step up in the pocket to buy time and avoid the rush. That's basic stuff. He seemed like a project. Two years later and he's the poor man's Michael Vick. Terrible accuracy, even worse decision making and just no spark. The offense sputters with him at QB. He must go and go now before this season is lost. Childress has to believe by now that, since you only go as far as your QB takes you, his high-school level QB isn't taking them anywhere. Why didn't they pick up Chad Pennington??

-- DEFENSIVE HEART: I like what I am seeing from the D. I think they will get even better once they have a few weeks under their belts. They play with a little fire, but they are so pathetically prone to the big play. It never fails. The secondary is cheese. Opponents such as the Colts literally could impose its will against them and make big plays to steal the game. The Colts stepped it up, played with some urgency, and walked
over the defense and did what they had to do to win the game.


TIME TO SHAKE IT UP: With the 2-0 Panthers coming to the Dome next week, the Vikings could easily be looking at 0-3 to start the season. This team doesn't know how to win with the personnel it has leading them. The defense is keeping them in the games but the O isn't putting up the points to win. TJack needs to sit down and let someone else try to spark this offense. AP needs to get the ball, and the coaching staff need to make him more multi-dimensional. Runs, swing passes, pitch outs, etc. Get AP the ball and let him create. Stop these runs over guards and tackles. Wake up Mr. Childress: Your Season is hanging in the balance. We need to lose the Pop Warner QB and get some life pumped back into this team. I still think this team is a contender with a better QB.




NICE POST!





I would be happy to see gus get a shot at managing this offense.

StillPurple
09-14-2008, 07:18 PM
Agreed. You don't win in the NFL by being extremely conservative in your playcalling. Bevell is at this point "mailing it in". Someone needs to call him on this. Off-tackle and draw plays are rolling the QB out are not enough. This offense is in serious trouble.

Webby
09-14-2008, 07:26 PM
Thank you sir, welcome and SKOL!

vikesfan713
09-14-2008, 07:37 PM
why do we keep rolling out T jack when his Passing rating is SO horrible out of the pocket

tybrones87
09-14-2008, 07:41 PM
Its worse than staring down 0-3... 0-5 is definitely possible. :'(

Vikefanman2000
09-14-2008, 07:42 PM
"FanSince74" wrote:


-- DEFENSIVE HEART: I like what I am seeing from the D. I think they will get even better once they have a few weeks under their belts. They play with a little fire, but they are so pathetically prone to the big play. It never fails. The secondary is cheese. Opponents such as the Colts literally could impose its will against them and make big plays to steal the game. The Colts stepped it up, played with some urgency, and walked
over the defense and did what they had to do to win the game.



I still cant understand how Indy scored their second TD.....Sharper clearly tagged him with both hands!
How pathetic was that!

Seriously.....for the most part, I thought the D played tough!
THEY played well enough to win.....The Offense was offensive!
A complete disgrace! (AP excluded)

buliwyf
09-14-2008, 07:57 PM
Can't pass the ball, can't stop the pass. It's like one of those movies where you wake up from a nightmare and discover the nightmare is still in session. I agree with everything you said. Also, I agree Gus should get a shot. He looked good in preseason and is proven. He can't do worse than TJ.
Second week in a row the D has given up the big play. What's the use in playing tough all game only to give up the big play? Ruined my day, as I'm sure it did all yours. Season's still young, but I feel older after todday

baumy300
09-14-2008, 08:22 PM
"tybrones87" wrote:


Its worse than staring down 0-3... 0-5 is definitely possible. :'(

Screw it. Lose em all and grab Tebow!
:D

vikesfan713
09-14-2008, 09:39 PM
there obvilously no confidence in T jack otherwise they would not have a slimed down play book.
the problem is there is no good QBs avail next year.
Sure you can go get tebow but then you are in the same spot

Purple Floyd
09-14-2008, 09:43 PM
"vikesfan713" wrote:


there obvilously no confidence in T jack otherwise they would not have a slimed down play book.
the problem is there is no good QBs avail next year.
Sure you can go get tebow but then you are in the same spot


Why would you say there are no good QB's available next year? We don't even know yet who will be kept and who will be traded.

There will be QB's available, but I am really doubting if they will bring in anyone to compete against Jackson and if they do I am not convinced the coaches will know what to do with a great QB if they get one.

COJOMAY
09-14-2008, 09:49 PM
Favre will probably be available.
:D

FanSince74
09-15-2008, 12:23 PM
I think the reason why TJack is always rolling out is because a) it gives him the option to run; and b) he is a GODAWFUL pocket passer. He is very uncomfortable in the pocket. But when he rolls out, he also cuts the field in half and it makes it harder to hit anyone in space. Gus has experience and isn't afraid of the pocket. It's hard to kill the defense because they are on the field much longer than the offense, and any defense left out there is eventually going to crack. The O doesn't help the D. The defense is forced to win the game and that's not a good formula for success. Remember the past few seasons, the D was scoring. Lots of INTs, fumbles, etc. The D was good for 1-2 TDs, plus 1-2 from the feeble offense and you have 24-30 points and things aren't looking so bad. But the D isn't taking it away as much, and they're not getting the scores off turnovers.
I really feel for AD. I only hope this team turns it around before he gets a glass-half-empty attitude from losing and looks to play somewhere else. All I hear from Childress is how he thinks AD is "such a wonderful kid," "such a nice, humble kid," etc. Well, Brad, when your love affair with him ends, please wake up and realize that this kid is gonna wanna go run for a winner if you can't figure out how to maximize his talent. He's doing it all by himself despite your miserable playcalling.

Purple Floyd
09-15-2008, 12:36 PM
"FanSince74" wrote:


I think the reason why TJack is always rolling out is because a) it gives him the option to run; and b) he is a GODAWFUL pocket passer. He is very uncomfortable in the pocket. But when he rolls out, he also cuts the field in half and it makes it harder to hit anyone in space. Gus has experience and isn't afraid of the pocket. It's hard to kill the defense because they are on the field much longer than the offense, and any defense left out there is eventually going to crack. The O doesn't help the D. The defense is forced to win the game and that's not a good formula for success. Remember the past few seasons, the D was scoring. Lots of INTs, fumbles, etc. The D was good for 1-2 TDs, plus 1-2 from the feeble offense and you have 24-30 points and things aren't looking so bad. But the D isn't taking it away as much, and they're not getting the scores off turnovers.
I really feel for AD. I only hope this team turns it around before he gets a glass-half-empty attitude from losing and looks to play somewhere else. All I hear from Childress is how he thinks AD is "such a wonderful kid," "such a nice, humble kid," etc. Well, Brad, when your love affair with him ends, please wake up and realize that this kid is gonna wanna go run for a winner if you can't figure out how to maximize his talent. He's doing it all by himself despite your miserable playcalling.


Not in this game. The offense had the ball over 5 minutes longer than the Defense was on the field.

Mr Anderson
09-15-2008, 01:06 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"vikesfan713" wrote:


there obvilously no confidence in T jack otherwise they would not have a slimed down play book.
the problem is there is no good QBs avail next year.
Sure you can go get tebow but then you are in the same spot


Why would you say there are no good QB's available next year? We don't even know yet who will be kept and who will be traded.

There will be QB's available, but I am really doubting if they will bring in anyone to compete against Jackson and if they do I am not convinced the coaches will know what to do with a great QB if they get one.


Absolutely the best statement I've read on here in too long.

Mr-holland
09-15-2008, 01:20 PM
Most of you people really are pathetic.. We're down 0-2 and now you come out and call out the coach, the QB etc etc. IMO TJ played good yesterday. What did he did bad? He's a game manager right.. not a game winner.
It's the reason i left PP.O, You're all a bunch of GIRLS! Support your fricken team.

now somebody comes here and makes fun of me, which he/she rightfully may but i've had it!

Let's hope we can pull a NY Giant but i think we are destined to fail.

So long PP.O, So long


edit: 4th quarter Defense killed the game, not TJ, Not Childress.

Mr Anderson
09-15-2008, 01:33 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


Most of you people really are pathetic.. We're down 0-2 and now you come out and call out the coach, the QB etc etc. IMO TJ played good yesterday. What did he did bad? He's a game manager right.. not a game winner.
It's the reason i left PP.O, You're all a bunch of GIRLS! Support your fricken team.

now somebody comes here and makes fun of me, which he/she rightfully may but i've had it!

Let's hope we can pull a NY Giant but i think we are destined to fail.

So long PP.O, So long


edit: 4th quarter Defense killed the game, not TJ, Not Childress.


There shouldn't have been a game for the defense to kill in the fourth quarter. For what we did on the field, to only have 15 points was disgraceful, and that goes on the offense's shoulders.

Webby
09-15-2008, 01:35 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


Most of you people really are pathetic.. We're down 0-2 and now you come out and call out the coach, the QB etc etc. IMO TJ played good yesterday. What did he did bad? He's a game manager right.. not a game winner.
It's the reason i left PP.O, You're all a bunch of GIRLS! Support your fricken team.

now somebody comes here and makes fun of me, which he/she rightfully may but i've had it!

Let's hope we can pull a NY Giant but i think we are destined to fail.

So long PP.O, So long


edit: 4th quarter Defense killed the game, not TJ, Not Childress.


::) ::)

Its darned hard to get the fans want answers, and some real solutions rather than the same in and out year after year under Childress?
Suddenly calling out after 2 games?

I thought you were watching the last few years of our dysfunctional struggles.
Last year we improved because of ONE MAN:
AP.
Without him we were no better than the first season, if not worse.

Purple colored glasses only last for so long, but tie this on Holland:
All of us here are real fans and support our team.
Get it?
If we didn't care and support our team, we wouldn't be so pissed and disappointed, and we wouldn't be online with other similarly crushed spirits after two wins tossed down the toilet.

tb04512
09-15-2008, 01:36 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


Most of you people really are pathetic.. We're down 0-2 and now you come out and call out the coach, the QB etc etc. IMO TJ played good yesterday. What did he did bad? He's a game manager right.. not a game winner.
It's the reason i left PP.O, You're all a bunch of GIRLS! Support your fricken team.

now somebody comes here and makes fun of me, which he/she rightfully may but i've had it!

Let's hope we can pull a NY Giant but i think we are destined to fail.

So long PP.O, So long


edit: 4th quarter Defense killed the game, not TJ, Not Childress.

agree, with the bold, and most of the post, but Childress and this staff need to be blamed for the poor production from players year after year

Mr-holland
09-15-2008, 01:43 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Most of you people really are pathetic.. We're down 0-2 and now you come out and call out the coach, the QB etc etc. IMO TJ played good yesterday. What did he did bad? He's a game manager right.. not a game winner.
It's the reason i left PP.O, You're all a bunch of GIRLS! Support your fricken team.

now somebody comes here and makes fun of me, which he/she rightfully may but i've had it!

Let's hope we can pull a NY Giant but i think we are destined to fail.

So long PP.O, So long


edit: 4th quarter Defense killed the game, not TJ, Not Childress.


::) ::)

Its darned hard to get the fans want answers, and some real solutions rather than the same in and out year after year under Childress?

Suddenly calling out after 2 games?

I thought you were watching the last few years of our dysfunctional struggles.
Last year we improved because of ONE MAN:
AP.
Without him we were no better than the first season, if not worse.

Purple colored glasses only last for so long, but tie this on Holland:
All of us here are real fans and support our team.
Get it?
If we didn't care and support our team, we wouldn't be so pissed and disappointed, and we wouldn't be online with other similarly crushed spirits after two wins tossed down the toilet.

Hey man i totally get it. BUT i do think there are some bandwaggon type of guys. Everyone has something in him/her that could irritate you so bad you do stupid thing. I'm not leaving PP.O for my suddenly hate towards the Vikings because they go 0-2, it's because i get so fed up with things being said over and over, Never something new and when someone says something that is 'wrong' you get your head cut off ( at least that's how i feel )

I love PP.O to death Webby, just not some attitudes people have around here.

NodakPaul
09-15-2008, 01:54 PM
"tb04512" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Most of you people really are pathetic.. We're down 0-2 and now you come out and call out the coach, the QB etc etc. IMO TJ played good yesterday. What did he did bad? He's a game manager right.. not a game winner.
It's the reason i left PP.O, You're all a bunch of GIRLS! Support your fricken team.

now somebody comes here and makes fun of me, which he/she rightfully may but i've had it!

Let's hope we can pull a NY Giant but i think we are destined to fail.

So long PP.O, So long


edit: 4th quarter Defense killed the game, not TJ, Not Childress.

agree, with the bold, and most of the post, but Childress and this staff need to be blamed for the poor production from players year after year


I disagree with the part in bold.
TJack did NOT play well.
When you have a RB put up 160 yards but the QB only puts up 130 (despite having roughly the same number of pass and run plays), something is wrong.
Take a look at our third downs.
We faced 14 third down situations.
We FAILED to convert in 11 of them (and one of those conversions was still an incomplete pass, but IND got a penalty).
That isn't managing the game.
A game manager still moves the chains.

3-9-IND 27
(10:20) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 87-B.Berrian (26-K.Hayden).
3-9-IND 49
(6:30) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 28-A.Peterson to IND 43 for 6 yards (31-K.Ratliff, 26-K.Hayden).
3-2-IND 9
(:21) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short left to 81-V.Shiancoe.
3-5-
(7:27) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 18-S.Rice. PENALTY on IND-54-F.Keiaho, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.
3-4-IND 39
(6:00) 7-T.Jackson sacked at IND 40 for -1 yards (23-T.Jennings).
3-3-IND 45
(1:21) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short middle to 87-B.Berrian.
3-6-IND 46
(13:10) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 84-A.Allison to IND 25 for 21 yards (41-A.Bethea).
3-11-IND 26
(11:19) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 29-C.Taylor to IND 28 for -2 yards (28-M.Jackson).
3-6-IND 29
(6:19) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 84-A.Allison to IND 13 for 16 yards (26-K.Hayden, 58-G.Brackett).
3-7-IND 10
(4:18) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short middle to 29-C.Taylor.
3-8-MIN 34
(12:42) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 84-A.Allison.
3-5-IND 31
(7:55) 29-C.Taylor right guard to IND 30 for 1 yard (58-G.Brackett).
3-6-MIN 35
(4:30) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 87-B.Berrian.
3-3-MIN 9
(1:30) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 38-N.Tahi to MIN 4 for -5 yards (33-M.Bullitt).

I do, however, agree with the last statement. Childress and his staff need to be blamed for the poor production.
It doesn't matter WHY we have poor production, if the coaching staff does not correct it then they are failing.
Accountability starts at the top.

Webby
09-15-2008, 01:55 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Most of you people really are pathetic.. We're down 0-2 and now you come out and call out the coach, the QB etc etc. IMO TJ played good yesterday. What did he did bad? He's a game manager right.. not a game winner.
It's the reason i left PP.O, You're all a bunch of GIRLS! Support your fricken team.

now somebody comes here and makes fun of me, which he/she rightfully may but i've had it!

Let's hope we can pull a NY Giant but i think we are destined to fail.

So long PP.O, So long


edit: 4th quarter Defense killed the game, not TJ, Not Childress.


::) ::)

Its darned hard to get the fans want answers, and some real solutions rather than the same in and out year after year under Childress?

Suddenly calling out after 2 games?

I thought you were watching the last few years of our dysfunctional struggles.
Last year we improved because of ONE MAN:
AP.
Without him we were no better than the first season, if not worse.

Purple colored glasses only last for so long, but tie this on Holland:
All of us here are real fans and support our team.
Get it?
If we didn't care and support our team, we wouldn't be so pissed and disappointed, and we wouldn't be online with other similarly crushed spirits after two wins tossed down the toilet.

Hey man i totally get it. BUT i do think there are some bandwaggon type of guys. Everyone has something in him/her that could irritate you so bad you do stupid thing. I'm not leaving PP.O for my suddenly hate towards the Vikings because they go 0-2, it's because i get so fed up with things being said over and over, Never something new and when someone says something that is 'wrong' you get your head cut off ( at least that's how i feel )

I love PP.O to death Webby, just not some attitudes people have around here.


Well, I have been installing attitude adjusters on the worst offenders for personal attacks, or those whose stunningly predictable condescension has earned them deserved places on people's shitlist...but if you want to say your piece I don't see where you can't create a happy thread and do the dancing there.

8)

"The amount of negativity in this town sucks", and I find it abrasive and reactionary nearly akin to mob mentality...but I ride the wave until we win two in a row and everyone is high fiving the brilliant execution of the team.
(if that can happen under current leadership, which as my front page post addresses: not specific players but perhaps the leadership structure causes the failures)

Chill out with the rest of us who ignore long threads revisting the same arguments......some people like that and its not my place to puts bounds on their experience as Vikings fans.

I had to address the condescending folks first, next is thread hijackers.
The site is big and plenty of room for suggestion and discussions.
I promise you there are others who will enjoy some fresh air, just lean over and open a window.

Mr-holland
09-15-2008, 01:56 PM
All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads

C Mac D
09-15-2008, 01:57 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

Mr-holland
09-15-2008, 01:59 PM
"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team

C Mac D
09-15-2008, 02:00 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Mr-holland
09-15-2008, 02:02 PM
"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?

NodakPaul
09-15-2008, 02:04 PM
"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.


Honestly, I have agreed with Holland for the past two years.
But I can't any more.
Our team is built.
We have the best running game in the league, the best run defense in the league, and a pass defense that is better than it has been in a LONG time.
We have GREAT young WRs in Rice and AA, and a decent veteran in Berrian.
We are missing one thing - a QB.

The fact that Childress and co refuse to address this weakness is what has finally pushed me over the edge.
I now agree with C Mac.
If Childress won't drop TJack, then it is time to drop Childress.

NodakPaul
09-15-2008, 02:06 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?


I still think we could go 10-6 this season.
But the problem is that 8 of those wins are going to come against shitty teams.
Chicago twice, Detroit twice, NO, Houston, Arizona, and Atlanta.
That will put us 2-6 against real teams, and I don't think that is cutting it.

C Mac D
09-15-2008, 02:06 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?


I am...

Mr-holland
09-15-2008, 02:09 PM
"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:




All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?


I am...

betting 5 bucks?

C Mac D
09-15-2008, 02:10 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:






All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?


I am...

betting 5 bucks?


Actually... I should, I lose every bet I make anyways. Maybe it would be helpful for the Vikes.

Purple Floyd
09-15-2008, 02:13 PM
"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:








All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?


I am...

betting 5 bucks?


Actually... I should, I lose every bet I make anyways. Maybe it would be helpful for the Vikes.


It doesn't seem to have worked in my case lol

Lemieux66
09-15-2008, 02:17 PM
Childress is the main problem IMO. The passing offense never had a great game with him as the coach. Many players criticised the playcalling in the past 2 offseasons. Commentators on TV are starting to laugh at the playcalling too. The 3rd and 5 run to set up the missed field goal...what a dumb call. Pass and try to WIN idiot. Or at least put AP in there if you want to run. The bootleg in our end zone, what was that? The players must be so angry in the huddle.

And can he change is AP spelling formula? Having him on some 3rd downs would be nice sometimes...we all know he can catch a ball. Some passes to him down the field would be nice...it's not like he can't make players miss or run over them (Al Harris).

Wilf is probably looking at free agent coachs. He can't like the fact that his passing attack had no progression at all under Childress, even with draft picks and big money invested.

Enough of Childress.

NodakPaul
09-15-2008, 02:37 PM
"Lemieux66" wrote:


Childress is the main problem IMO. The passing offense never had a great game with him as the coach. Many players criticised the playcalling in the past 2 offseasons. Commentators on TV are starting to laugh at the playcalling too. The 3rd and 5 run to set up the missed field goal...what a dumb call. Pass and try to WIN idiot. Or at least put AP in there if you want to run. The bootleg in our end zone, what was that? The players must be so angry in the huddle.

And can he change is AP spelling formula? Having him on some 3rd downs would be nice sometimes...we all know he can catch a ball. Some passes to him down the field would be nice...it's not like he can't make players miss or run over them (Al Harris).

Wilf is probably looking at free agent coachs. He can't like the fact that his passing attack had no progression at all under Childress, even with draft picks and big money invested.

Enough of Childress.


Welcome to PP.O!
Post well and often, and make sure to introduce yourself in the free beer forum.
Now as to your post...

I don't think that the give to CT on 3rd and 5 was a poor call.
In the 13 other 3rd downs, we chose to pass.
And we failed on 11 of them.
Our running game was easily the best part of our offense yesterday, averaging over 5 yards a carry.
And we weren't running just to set up a field goal.
Not at 48 yards.
We were running for a first down, and simply didn't get it.
And while I would liked to have seen AD get the ball more in the second half, CT is a pretty good RB in his own right, and normally when he is in the defense expects pass - especially given the fact that we passed on every other 3rd down up to that point.

I agree that I would like to see more passing with AD on the field.
He is getting more, but I still think we could see more.

Chazz
09-15-2008, 04:04 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:




All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?


I still think we could go 10-6 this season.
But the problem is that 8 of those wins are going to come against shitty teams.
Chicago twice, Detroit twice, NO, Houston, Arizona, and Atlanta.
That will put us 2-6 against real teams, and I don't think that is cutting it.


If we can't win after the D's performance yesterday, Then I have a hard time believing we can achieve a winning record. You cannot play Manning better than what we did. We did a better job then the Bears did with a rusty Manning last week, except they were able to win.

I am beginning to believe that Childress may have outstayed his welcome.

NodakPaul
09-15-2008, 04:09 PM
"Chazz" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:






All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?


I still think we could go 10-6 this season.
But the problem is that 8 of those wins are going to come against poohie teams.
Chicago twice, Detroit twice, NO, Houston, Arizona, and Atlanta.
That will put us 2-6 against real teams, and I don't think that is cutting it.


If we can't win after the D's performance yesterday, Then I have a hard time believing we can achieve a winning record. You cannot play Manning better than what we did. We did a better job then the Bears did with a rusty Manning last week, except they were able to win.

I am beginning to believe that Childress may have outstayed his welcome.


I hear ya, but I do think we will perform reasonably well against some of the weaker teams on our schedule.
I actually do think we will have a winning record... Hopefully Wilf looks at more than just the record when deciding if any action need to be taken with the FO in the offseason.

Even if we go 10-6, beating all of the crappy teams, I don't think that it would generate a lot of support for the new stadium.
A coaching change, however, would cause a stir... just like it did in 2006.
Wilf might be banking on that the get his stadium built.

(BTW, your eyes seriously weirded me out yesterday... ;))

langshan
09-15-2008, 04:11 PM
The way the play calling is going, the Vikes could easily be 0-3 and the season about over.
The Panthers have played an excellent 2 games against San Diego and Chicago.
It will not be an easy time against them. That offensive play calling has got to improve along with the QB, RCVers and TE.

C Mac D
09-15-2008, 04:12 PM
"langshan" wrote:


The way the play calling is going, the Vikes could easily be 0-3 and the season about over.
The Panthers have played an excellent 2 games against San Diego and Chicago.
It will not be an easy time against them. That offensive play calling has got to improve along with the QB, RCVers and TE.


I'm not so sure... look for Allen to have a big game.

I think we'll give them a pretty good fight and (once again) our defense will allow us to stay in this game.

But that's about it... I'm guessing a 17-13 loss for the Vikes.

Slade
09-15-2008, 04:22 PM
Steve Smith is gonna destroy Cedric this week....if AW is on Smith, then Muhammad will rack up yards. Man, we need M Williams back!

C Mac D
09-15-2008, 04:23 PM
"Slade" wrote:


Steve Smith is gonna destroy Cedric this week....if AW is on Smith, then Muhammad will rack up yards. Man, we need M Williams back!


God forbid they try to plug Benny Sapp in there...

Slade
09-15-2008, 04:26 PM
"C" wrote:


"Slade" wrote:


Steve Smith is gonna destroy Cedric this week....if AW is on Smith, then Muhammad will rack up yards. Man, we need M Williams back!


God forbid they try to plug Benny Sapp in there...




His 1st game back....yeah, he could be rusty, but you know SS is lickin his chops thinking about our 2ndary. Remember what he did to Smoot? Holy crap.....

NodakPaul
09-15-2008, 04:30 PM
"Slade" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Slade" wrote:


Steve Smith is gonna destroy Cedric this week....if AW is on Smith, then Muhammad will rack up yards. Man, we need M Williams back!


God forbid they try to plug Benny Sapp in there...




His 1st game back....yeah, he could be rusty, but you know SS is lickin his chops thinking about our 2ndary. Remember what he did to Smoot? Holy crap.....


Smoot's biggest problem that game was Cottrell, not Smith.
Let's see, how about we play bump and run man coverage with no safety help over the top... the WHOLE FREAKING GAME.
Either Teddy was trying to make a point and humble Smoot, or he was just that incompetent.

Slade
09-15-2008, 04:34 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Slade" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Slade" wrote:


Steve Smith is gonna destroy Cedric this week....if AW is on Smith, then Muhammad will rack up yards. Man, we need M Williams back!


God forbid they try to plug Benny Sapp in there...




His 1st game back....yeah, he could be rusty, but you know SS is lickin his chops thinking about our 2ndary. Remember what he did to Smoot? Holy crap.....


Smoot's biggest problem that game was Cottrell, not Smith.
Let's see, how about we play bump and run man coverage with no safety help over the top... the WHOLE FREAKING GAME.
Either Teddy was trying to make a point and humble Smoot, or he was just that incompetent.


- Yeah Smoot gave Smith alot of room, but on the fast track in Minny, Cedric is gonna get burned. No way Ced can cover Smith in man coverage. He will have issues bringing him down too....

C Mac D
09-15-2008, 04:35 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Slade" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Slade" wrote:


Steve Smith is gonna destroy Cedric this week....if AW is on Smith, then Muhammad will rack up yards. Man, we need M Williams back!


God forbid they try to plug Benny Sapp in there...




His 1st game back....yeah, he could be rusty, but you know SS is lickin his chops thinking about our 2ndary. Remember what he did to Smoot? Holy crap.....


Smoot's biggest problem that game was Cottrell, not Smith.
Let's see, how about we play bump and run man coverage with no safety help over the top... the WHOLE FREAKING GAME.
Either Teddy was trying to make a point and humble Smoot, or he was just that incompetent.


Well, with how good Brandon Jacobs and Jay Cutler looked yesterday...

Chazz
09-15-2008, 09:45 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Chazz" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"C" wrote:








All things aside, it's to early to be calling for heads


Sure... if it was just 2 games... but we're over 2 years now, headed into 3.

That's what happens if you're a rebuilding team


It's supposed to be built by now.

Who says it isn't? 2 games lost to teams who were better last year than us. To be fair both could've been won but who says we're not going 10-6ish this season?


I still think we could go 10-6 this season.
But the problem is that 8 of those wins are going to come against poohie teams.
Chicago twice, Detroit twice, NO, Houston, Arizona, and Atlanta.
That will put us 2-6 against real teams, and I don't think that is cutting it.


If we can't win after the D's performance yesterday, Then I have a hard time believing we can achieve a winning record. You cannot play Manning better than what we did. We did a better job then the Bears did with a rusty Manning last week, except they were able to win.

I am beginning to believe that Childress may have outstayed his welcome.


I hear ya, but I do think we will perform reasonably well against some of the weaker teams on our schedule.
I actually do think we will have a winning record... Hopefully Wilf looks at more than just the record when deciding if any action need to be taken with the FO in the offseason.

Even if we go 10-6, beating all of the crappy teams, I don't think that it would generate a lot of support for the new stadium.
A coaching change, however, would cause a stir... just like it did in 2006.
Wilf might be banking on that the get his stadium built.

(BTW, your eyes seriously weirded me out yesterday... ;))


I heard that a few times yesterday.
:) :) Its ok though, I don't mind.

As to a winning record...we'll see. In the time Childress has been here, we have devoloped a common theme....close games that we lose in the 4th quarter. As the saying goes...If you keep doing what you have always done, you will continue to get what you have always gotten.

Here is to hoping that Childress can figure it out. Cheers

Chazz
09-15-2008, 09:46 PM
"Slade" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Slade" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Slade" wrote:


Steve Smith is gonna destroy Cedric this week....if AW is on Smith, then Muhammad will rack up yards. Man, we need M Williams back!


God forbid they try to plug Benny Sapp in there...




His 1st game back....yeah, he could be rusty, but you know SS is lickin his chops thinking about our 2ndary. Remember what he did to Smoot? Holy crap.....


Smoot's biggest problem that game was Cottrell, not Smith.
Let's see, how about we play bump and run man coverage with no safety help over the top... the WHOLE FREAKING GAME.
Either Teddy was trying to make a point and humble Smoot, or he was just that incompetent.


- Yeah Smoot gave Smith alot of room, but on the fast track in Minny, Cedric is gonna get burned. No way Ced can cover Smith in man coverage. He will have issues bringing him down too....



Well...then I guess its a good thing we don't play man then.

Yfz01
09-15-2008, 10:16 PM
Lets hope that we can get some good pressure on Delhomme...