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vikingsblitz
09-13-2008, 12:14 PM
Is it just me or did it seem like we were constantly passing the ball to the TEs? Garrett Mills did a good job but he shouldn't be leading the team in passing yards. Also, we kept throwing it to Shiancoe but the guy just couldn't hold on. Going to the TEs from time to time is great but what about the wide outs???

Common sense would tell me that after a few drops, you should look somewhere else for a little while...

Prophet
09-13-2008, 12:24 PM
"vikingsblitz" wrote:


Is it just me or did it seem like we were constantly passing the ball to the TEs? Garrett Mills did a good job but he shouldn't be leading the team in passing yards. Also, we kept throwing it to Shiancoe but the guy just couldn't hold on. Going to the TEs from time to time is great but what about the wide outs???

Common sense would tell me that after a few drops, you should look somewhere else for a little while...


It's just you.
See post 481 (http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=47698.480) or nfl.com for play-by-play.
With a quick glance there were 8 passes to RBs, 18 passes to WRs, and 10 passes to TEs.

El Vikingo
09-13-2008, 12:31 PM
"vikingsblitz" wrote:


Is it just me or did it seem like we were constantly passing the ball to the TEs? Garrett Mills did a good job but he shouldn't be leading the team in passing yards. Also, we kept throwing it to Shiancoe but the guy just couldn't hold on. Going to the TEs from time to time is great but what about the wide outs???

Common sense would tell me that after a few drops, you should look somewhere else for a little while...


Being wide open during one or two plays during the game would help a bit

V-Unit
09-13-2008, 12:40 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


"vikingsblitz" wrote:


Is it just me or did it seem like we were constantly passing the ball to the TEs? Garrett Mills did a good job but he shouldn't be leading the team in passing yards. Also, we kept throwing it to Shiancoe but the guy just couldn't hold on. Going to the TEs from time to time is great but what about the wide outs???

Common sense would tell me that after a few drops, you should look somewhere else for a little while...


It's just you.
See post 481 (http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=47698.480) or nfl.com for play-by-play.
With a quick glance there were 8 passes to RBs, 18 passes to WRs, and 10 passes to TEs.


This is how your shutdown a worthless argument. Well Done Prophet.

StillPurple
09-13-2008, 12:57 PM
It is not that we don't throw it, but it seems to me that we never throw short. Every pass, it seems, is intermediate to long. For instance, we never seem to throw the slant, which the standard "answer" to the blitz.

The one slant that Tarvaris tried to throw in the 1st half of the Packers game was a horrific pass by any standards - low and behind the reciever. A truly terrible pass that Daunte on a bad day in Miami would have thrown.

Maybe that is why we don't throw it: Tarvaris is not accurate enough. So instead, we have him "ad libbing" and freelancing, doing roll-outs and throwing into coverage downfield.

VikingsTw
09-13-2008, 01:10 PM
"StillPurple" wrote:


It is not that we don't throw it, but it seems to me that we never throw short. Every pass, it seems, is intermediate to long. For instance, we never seem to throw the slant, which the standard "answer" to the blitz.

The one slant that Tarvaris tried to throw in the 1st half of the Packers game was a horrific pass by any standards - low and behind the reciever. A truly terrible pass that Daunte on a bad day in Miami would have thrown.

Maybe that is why we don't throw it: Tarvaris is not accurate enough. So instead, we have him "ad libbing" and freelancing, doing roll-outs and throwing into coverage downfield.


The other two slants we threw were in the 2nd Half, one was a PI no call inteded for Sidney Rice, once again a defender draped on one our WR's before the ball got there. The second slant of the 2nd Half was intended for Bernard Berrian, it was a fantastic throw perfectly on stride leading him down field, Charles Woodson got a shoe string tackle to save the TD.

The rollouts were worthless, we tried to many, Tarvaris works better from the pocket. I like the rollouts but very few and far in between.

Tarvaris is plenty accurate enough but he never displayed solid consistency throughout the game, if he can improve his passing % he will shut down alot of naysayers.

StillPurple
09-13-2008, 01:20 PM
I agree that Tarvaris occasionally throws a really nice ball. But he also throws some bricks too. He has a strong arm. I think he thinks that the longer he holds the ball, the better the situation will get. Maybe that works at I-AA college football, but not in the NFL. In college, you can roll out and the WRs separate better, but defenders are too good in the NFL and I think waiting on your throw maybe is not the best thing.

Watch the good NFL QBs: they get the ball out fast.

I actually am not even blaming Tarvaris. He is doing the best he can, and I respect the guy for that. It is the O-coordinator, Bevell, that I am mad at.

i_bleed_purple
09-13-2008, 01:24 PM
"StillPurple" wrote:


I agree that Tarvaris occasionally throws a really nice ball. But he also throws some bricks too. He has a strong arm. I think he thinks that the longer he holds the ball, the better the situation will get. Maybe that works at I-AA college football, but not in the NFL. In college, you can roll out and the WRs separate better, but defenders are too good in the NFL and I think waiting on your throw maybe is not the best thing.

Watch the good NFL QBs: they get the ball out fast.

I actually am not even blaming Tarvaris. He is doing the best he can, and I respect the guy for that. It is the O-coordinator, Bevell, that I am mad at.



wow, thas a whole 180 degree turn from your POV a few months ago, and i'll have to agree with you.
however, there were some inexcusable throws last game.
The long one to Berrian down the left sideline.
he wasn't even close to open, yet he sitll threw it.
A few were thrown near the ankles and behind.
Those need work.

V-Unit
09-13-2008, 01:34 PM
"StillPurple" wrote:


It is not that we don't throw it, but it seems to me that we never throw short. Every pass, it seems, is intermediate to long. For instance, we never seem to throw the slant, which the standard "answer" to the blitz.

The one slant that Tarvaris tried to throw in the 1st half of the Packers game was a horrific pass by any standards - low and behind the reciever. A truly terrible pass that Daunte on a bad day in Miami would have thrown.

Maybe that is why we don't throw it: Tarvaris is not accurate enough. So instead, we have him "ad libbing" and freelancing, doing roll-outs and throwing into coverage downfield.


That doesn't make any sense. There were plenty of short throws. The missed slant to Berrian. The Shank "drop". The slant to Berrian that would have been a TD save for a shorstring tackle. The checkdown to Tapeh. The 11 yard cross to Rice that was followed by 12 YAC and a TD.

Even though I don't like TJ's accuracy, how is a deep ball going to improve the situation? Shorter passes are easier to make.

StillPurple
09-13-2008, 03:21 PM
That is what I am arguing for: short passes. Slants.

I do think we got hosed by the refs a bit, and that is not Tarvaris's fault. But he does have to take responsibility for that slant he missed early, which killed our drive. Most NFL QBs would have hit that. That is the kind of pass that got Daunte out of Miami, btw.

And I think after a year as a starter and the entire offseason + camp, if Tarvaris still can't make that throw, we are in trouble. Many people all over the league have just said that Tarvaris is not accurate enough.

Purple Floyd
09-13-2008, 03:31 PM
"vikingsblitz" wrote:


Is it just me or did it seem like we were constantly passing the ball to the TEs? Garrett Mills did a good job but he shouldn't be leading the team in passing yards. Also, we kept throwing it to Shiancoe but the guy just couldn't hold on. Going to the TEs from time to time is great but what about the wide outs???

Common sense would tell me that after a few drops, you should look somewhere else for a little while...


Is this post just put here to set us up for the "WR's- please catch the ball next week" post? ;D

gagarr
09-13-2008, 03:59 PM
The problem is TJ becomes less accurate the farther he throws the ball.
Even the PI call would have been a hard catch.
The other "so call" PI that wasn't called, would have been a miraculous catch as it was behind on the wrong shoulder.

I think it's important to make some 20+ yard catches to draw safeties away from the LOS.
They don't regularly double cover BB or Rice, as the D doesn't have respect for TJ's ability to throw the long ball.

As for the short throws I really don't care if it's a WR, TE, or RB as long as they move the chains to give AD another 2 shots at breaking a big one and wearing down the D.

StillPurple
09-13-2008, 04:47 PM
You are right.

But I would like to add that we should also throw to AP. We need to get AP in SPACE (the way that the Saints get Reggie Bush in Space); and the lack of our ability to do this is seriously starting to anger me and frustrate me to no end. If I see another game of us running AP off tackle or those draw plays, I am going to lose it.

gregair13
09-13-2008, 04:53 PM
"V" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"vikingsblitz" wrote:


Is it just me or did it seem like we were constantly passing the ball to the TEs? Garrett Mills did a good job but he shouldn't be leading the team in passing yards. Also, we kept throwing it to Shiancoe but the guy just couldn't hold on. Going to the TEs from time to time is great but what about the wide outs???

Common sense would tell me that after a few drops, you should look somewhere else for a little while...


It's just you.
See post 481 (http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=47698.480) or nfl.com for play-by-play.
With a quick glance there were 8 passes to RBs, 18 passes to WRs, and 10 passes to TEs.


This is how your shutdown a worthless argument. Well Done Prophet.

This is why he is one of the best.

jkjuggalo
09-13-2008, 05:10 PM
I think we need to put Jared Allen at TE and have him play D only on passing downs.

The Dropper
09-13-2008, 05:25 PM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


I think we need to put Jared Allen at TE and have him play D only on passing downs.


This would work really well for goalline or short yardage situations, but I'm not so sure about all the time. Plus, if you only put JA in on passing downs, any time he's in on a down that isn't 3rd and long, the Offense will know you're playing the pass.

DustinDupont
09-13-2008, 05:32 PM
well if they get open they will

ultravikingfan
09-13-2008, 06:55 PM
"StillPurple" wrote:


That is what I am arguing for: short passes. Slants.


I could not agree more.
The short sets-up the long with our WR's.

Vikefan05
09-13-2008, 07:23 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"StillPurple" wrote:


That is what I am arguing for: short passes. Slants.


I could not agree more.
The short sets-up the long with our WR's.

Its all about the short passes and runs.
If we can't use the long to set up the run, do the opposite.
I got faith in our team.

gagarr
09-13-2008, 10:55 PM
"StillPurple" wrote:


You are right.

But I would like to add that we should also throw to AP. We need to get AP in SPACE (the way that the Saints get Reggie Bush in Space); and the lack of our ability to do this is seriously starting to anger me and frustrate me to no end. If I see another game of us running AP off tackle or those draw plays, I am going to lose it.


I agree! Chilly/Bevel needs to occasionally use AD as a wild card.
The D focuses on AD.
If they set up in an I formation then motion AD into the slot receiver.
Then they run a reverse or double reverse it would confuse the D.
Probably won't work but it would at least make it unpredictable. Right now the use of AD is pretty predictable.
Chilly's system shouldn't be called CCC "Chocalate Chip without the Chips" (otherwise vanilla)