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VikingsTw
06-06-2008, 11:33 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/JJ.jpg

For those of you unfamilair with our newly added weapon Jaymar Johnson, he was drafted in the 6th round out of Jackson St. He's not a big guy standing 6' 175 but he possess great speed and explosion, he runs crisp routes and he has great hands. In his interviews he expressess great intrest in specail teams practicly drooling at the thought. This was a comment in regards to specail teams: “I don’t even look ate it (playing special teams) as giving me an extra edge,” Johnson explained. “I just love special teams and I’ve been that ways since I started playing football. Special teams is called ‘special’ for a reason. I love it. That phase can lose a game for you or it can win games for you. I love special teams and I’m not juts saying that to be politically correct. I have a passion for it.”

An observant Sidney Rice had this to say: “I think he’s excellent coming in and out of his breaks. He has great feet and great quickness, so I think he’s going to be alright. He has great speed and he’s a good route runner; I’m looking forward to big things out of him.”

Jaymar brings a nice attitude and not stop work ethic to the table, he's a naturaul football player and his mind set is night and day compared to Troy Williamson. He's also the last remaining seed from Randy Moss. One reporter said he hadn't seen speed like Jaymar's since Moss left. Jaymar's timed 40 at the combine was in 4.47 range but looks to me like he runs in the 4.38-4.4 range with room to improve. At the combine he was a top perfromer in the 3-Cone Drill and the 20-Yard Shuttle showing his quickness, he also ranked highly in the 60-Yard Shuttle showing his long speed.

I'm hoping he brings some much needed explosion to the return game, Allison did a fine job during his time but IMO this dude is on another level when it comes to open field elusiveness and the knack. With time in our weight room I see him building up to 185 the same weight as Bernard Berian but one inch shorter. His impact on specail teams should be immediate and with time he should be a sharp weapon at WR. I expect him to impress in Camp and make the final roster.

This first highlight is a new one posted a few weeks after the draft. I had to watch it couple times to locate him on all plays. If you dislike silly rap mute it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zvaKFr2bqY

This video was shot before the draft, I thought it was great highlight and interview again he comments on specail teams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBQdQ1fY9TA&feature=related

Combine footage and Analysis.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jaymar-johnson?id=2653#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-overview

Brief Comments from a Journel.
http://www.profootballcentral.com/2008/05/13/my-words-pfc-journal-of-vikings-wr-jaymar-johnson/

Story from the Trib.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/18535709.html

Recent Article from Vikings.com.
http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_johnsonfeature060608.aspx

Sounds like another Childress guy.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080420-jaymar-johnson-jackson-state-gary,0,6945878.story?page=1

Marrdro
06-07-2008, 09:54 AM
Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.

Mr-holland
06-07-2008, 09:56 AM
Does he look like randy moss or not ( his face not his playing style )

cajunvike
06-07-2008, 10:58 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/JJ.jpg

For those of you unfamilair with our newly added weapon Jaymar Johnson, he was drafted in the 6th round out of Jackson St. He's not a big guy standing 6' 175 but he possess great speed and explosion, he runs crisp routes and he has great hands. In his interviews he expressess great intrest in specail teams practicly drooling at the thought. This was a comment in regards to specail teams: “I don’t even look ate it (playing special teams) as giving me an extra edge,” Johnson explained. “I just love special teams and I’ve been that ways since I started playing football. Special teams is called ‘special’ for a reason. I love it. That phase can lose a game for you or it can win games for you. I love special teams and I’m not juts saying that to be politically correct. I have a passion for it.”

An observant Sidney Rice had this to say: “I think he’s excellent coming in and out of his breaks. He has great feet and great quickness, so I think he’s going to be alright. He has great speed and he’s a good route runner; I’m looking forward to big things out of him.”

Jaymar brings a nice attitude and not stop work ethic to the table, he's a naturaul football player and his mind set is night and day compared to Troy Williamson. He's also the last remaining seed from Randy Moss. One reporter said he hadn't seen speed like Jaymar's since Moss left. Jaymar's timed 40 at the combine was in 4.47 range but looks to me like he runs in the 4.38-4.4 range with room to improve. At the combine he was a top perfromer in the 3-Cone Drill and the 20-Yard Shuttle showing his quickness, he also ranked highly in the 60-Yard Shuttle showing his long speed.

I'm hoping he brings some much needed explosion to the return game, Allison did a fine job during his time but IMO this dude is on another level when it comes to open field elusiveness and the knack. With time in our weight room I see him building up to 185 the same weight as Bernard Berian but one inch shorter. His impact on specail teams should be immediate and with time he should be a sharp weapon at WR. I expect him to impress in Camp and make the final roster.

This first highlight is a new one posted a few weeks after the draft. I had to watch it couple times to locate him on all plays. If you dislike silly rap mute it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zvaKFr2bqY

This video was shot before the draft, I thought it was great highlight and interview again he comments on specail teams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBQdQ1fY9TA&feature=related

Combine footage and Analysis.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jaymar-johnson?id=2653#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-overview

Brief Comments from a Journel.
http://www.profootballcentral.com/2008/05/13/my-words-pfc-journal-of-vikings-wr-jaymar-johnson/

Story from the Trib.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/18535709.html

Recent Article from Vikings.com.
http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_johnsonfeature060608.aspx

Sounds like another Childress guy.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080420-jaymar-johnson-jackson-state-gary,0,6945878.story?page=1






Dude, don't be throwing out Allison just yet...he ALSO was one of the fastest at his combine in the shuttle drills and in the 40.
PLUS he is much taller and has already proven that he can play some at the pro level.
I'm sure that Jaymar may also prove his worth and may quite possibly even surpass Allison...but to call it already a done deal that he will be better is just reaching right now.

NordicNed
06-07-2008, 11:04 AM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


Does he look like randy moss or not ( his face not his playing style )




Mr H.,







When I first looked at the picture I thought exactly the same thing in
my mind.
" God He Looks a hell of alot just like Randy Moss, from the side....







I think we are in for some good battles in Camp this Pre-season and the WR's position is going to be one of the main ones....

Vikes_King
06-07-2008, 12:40 PM
looks like you put a little time into this one.. haha

VikingsTw
06-07-2008, 12:57 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.


He won't be cut, but if he is some other team is likly to grab him just like Kanasas City did with Thigpen. From my understanding in order to make it to the practice squad there is waiver period in which another team can put that player on the active squad giving him an oportunity.

Furgeson might be the guy to go, I do like him though cause he's a solid run blocker and he's one of our more physical WR's. IMO it would be a mistake to let Jaymar hit the waiver wire, he's got to much potential and he's already polished. He's ready to contribute right away on specail teams.

If it came between the two for the final cut I would choose Jaymar because he brings more to table when it comes to playmaking ability and we need that at Punt Return. With our defense our Punt Returner is gonna see significant opportunties. He can score anytime he touches the ball, and I would be willing to best he's our most exploive WR in terms of return ability.

Vikes_King
06-07-2008, 01:02 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


Does he look like randy moss or not ( his face not his playing style )




Mr H.,







When I first looked at the picture I thought exactly the same thing in
my mind.
" God He Looks a hell of alot just like Randy Moss, from the side....







I think we are in for some good battles in Camp this Pre-season and the WR's position is going to be one of the main ones....










haha alright good i'm glad you guys thought so too, i wasn't sure if it was just me.
Its kinda ironic that he looks like him.. and we got him more of less thru the Moss trade.

VikingsTw
06-07-2008, 01:12 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/JJ.jpg

For those of you unfamilair with our newly added weapon Jaymar Johnson, he was drafted in the 6th round out of Jackson St. He's not a big guy standing 6' 175 but he possess great speed and explosion, he runs crisp routes and he has great hands. In his interviews he expressess great intrest in specail teams practicly drooling at the thought. This was a comment in regards to specail teams: “I don’t even look ate it (playing special teams) as giving me an extra edge,” Johnson explained. “I just love special teams and I’ve been that ways since I started playing football. Special teams is called ‘special’ for a reason. I love it. That phase can lose a game for you or it can win games for you. I love special teams and I’m not juts saying that to be politically correct. I have a passion for it.”

An observant Sidney Rice had this to say: “I think he’s excellent coming in and out of his breaks. He has great feet and great quickness, so I think he’s going to be alright. He has great speed and he’s a good route runner; I’m looking forward to big things out of him.”

Jaymar brings a nice attitude and not stop work ethic to the table, he's a naturaul football player and his mind set is night and day compared to Troy Williamson. He's also the last remaining seed from Randy Moss. One reporter said he hadn't seen speed like Jaymar's since Moss left. Jaymar's timed 40 at the combine was in 4.47 range but looks to me like he runs in the 4.38-4.4 range with room to improve. At the combine he was a top perfromer in the 3-Cone Drill and the 20-Yard Shuttle showing his quickness, he also ranked highly in the 60-Yard Shuttle showing his long speed.

I'm hoping he brings some much needed explosion to the return game, Allison did a fine job during his time but IMO this dude is on another level when it comes to open field elusiveness and the knack. With time in our weight room I see him building up to 185 the same weight as Bernard Berian but one inch shorter. His impact on specail teams should be immediate and with time he should be a sharp weapon at WR. I expect him to impress in Camp and make the final roster.

This first highlight is a new one posted a few weeks after the draft. I had to watch it couple times to locate him on all plays. If you dislike silly rap mute it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zvaKFr2bqY

This video was shot before the draft, I thought it was great highlight and interview again he comments on specail teams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBQdQ1fY9TA&feature=related

Combine footage and Analysis.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jaymar-johnson?id=2653#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-overview

Brief Comments from a Journel.
http://www.profootballcentral.com/2008/05/13/my-words-pfc-journal-of-vikings-wr-jaymar-johnson/

Story from the Trib.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/18535709.html

Recent Article from Vikings.com.
http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_johnsonfeature060608.aspx

Sounds like another Childress guy.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080420-jaymar-johnson-jackson-state-gary,0,6945878.story?page=1






Dude, don't be throwing out Allison just yet...he ALSO was one of the fastest at his combine in the shuttle drills and in the 40.

PLUS he is much taller and has already proven that he can play some at the pro level.
I'm sure that Jaymar may also prove his worth and may quite possibly even surpass Allison...but to call it already a done deal that he will be better is just reaching right now.


Dude, I'll have you read my previous quote: "Allison did a fine job during his time but IMO this dude is on another level when it comes to open field elusiveness and the knack." I'm not out to kick Allison out of the door, I believe he's a good WR with great explosiveness off the line of scrimage, he's able to get open and does a fine job getting in and out of his cuts. He's not as smart as Jaymar Johnson but he likes football and he has a chip on shoulder. I also like his size but I don't believe he has the true knack for returning like Jaymar. He's not much taller maybe 1-2 inches, the difference is Jaymar hans't had his chance yet, Camps will give him that oportunity and then preseason. Again I never said anything was a done deal but Jaymar making the 53 man roster.

BradTheMan14
06-07-2008, 01:37 PM
now thats a quality post. great read..and good job. hopefully this guy can turn out to be a stud for us.

vikingsblitz
06-07-2008, 02:35 PM
Nice find! It's great to see some news coming out of camp like this. If this guy can turn out of be a big time playmaker, we've got a nice set of young wide outs that could turn into a really scary tandem in the next few years....that is if TJack can get his act together...

i_bleed_purple
06-07-2008, 02:40 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/JJ.jpg




notice his eyes are actually on the ball??? unlike a certain other reciever we used to have here.

COJOMAY
06-07-2008, 02:47 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/JJ.jpg

LOOK!!!!! He's "looking" the ball into his hands. Now that's something TW never did!
:D

Ranger
06-07-2008, 06:44 PM
Man, I feel really good about our receivers for some reason.
Rice, Wade, BB, JJ, Allison, Ferg...pretty solid group of guys, I'd say, and in our offense you don't really need a clear cut "#1" guy to be successful.
All of these guys bring good stuff to the table, and they're all pretty young.
Good stuff.

Best of luck to this guy.
Seems like he has the right attitude.

gagarr
06-07-2008, 07:08 PM
If JJ likes special teams he probably likes to hit people, which is what he will need to do.
Good run blocking WR's like Ferg are important if AD is going to take it to the house.

I would love to see a 6th round gem... TJack came out of the SWAC too.
Also the only player drafted from the SWAC.

Marrdro
06-08-2008, 07:19 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.


He won't be cut, but if he is some other team is likly to grab him just like Kanasas City did with Thigpen. From my understanding in order to make it to the practice squad there is waiver period in which another team can put that player on the active squad giving him an oportunity.

Furgeson might be the guy to go, I do like him though cause he's a solid run blocker and he's one of our more physical WR's. IMO it would be a mistake to let Jaymar hit the waiver wire, he's got to much potential and he's already polished. He's ready to contribute right away on specail teams.

If it came between the two for the final cut I would choose Jaymar because he brings more to table when it comes to playmaking ability and we need that at Punt Return. With our defense our Punt Returner is gonna see significant opportunties. He can score anytime he touches the ball, and I would be willing to best he's our most exploive WR in terms of return ability.

You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?

Don't get me wrong, it could happen, but we aren't talking QB's here and as I said in another thread, this years draft class was a glut with short fast WR's that could provide immediate impact on special teams.
Only way JJ get snatched is if a team had the following combination:

a.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies.
b.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies has a couple of thier draft picks go down due to injury.
c.
Vet team has a couple of Vets go down.
d.
Vet team has thier ST/Return prospect go down.

Again, it could happen but I doubt it.

My guess is he will be sent to the practice squad and at some point during the year he will get some playing time, probably at that expense of Ferg who won't be with the team next year (unless the Puke Green ex PUKER really has a standout year
;D)

marstc09
06-08-2008, 11:49 AM
If you dislike silly rap mute it.

LMFAO! I was bumping that shit all morning. What is with the silly comment?
::)

Chazz
06-08-2008, 12:00 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.


He won't be cut, but if he is some other team is likly to grab him just like Kanasas City did with Thigpen. From my understanding in order to make it to the practice squad there is waiver period in which another team can put that player on the active squad giving him an oportunity.

Furgeson might be the guy to go, I do like him though cause he's a solid run blocker and he's one of our more physical WR's. IMO it would be a mistake to let Jaymar hit the waiver wire, he's got to much potential and he's already polished. He's ready to contribute right away on specail teams.

If it came between the two for the final cut I would choose Jaymar because he brings more to table when it comes to playmaking ability and we need that at Punt Return. With our defense our Punt Returner is gonna see significant opportunties. He can score anytime he touches the ball, and I would be willing to best he's our most exploive WR in terms of return ability.

You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?

Don't get me wrong, it could happen, but we aren't talking QB's here and as I said in another thread, this years draft class was a glut with short fast WR's that could provide immediate impact on special teams.
Only way JJ get snatched is if a team had the following combination:

a.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies.
b.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies has a couple of thier draft picks go down due to injury.
c.
Vet team has a couple of Vets go down.
d.
Vet team has thier ST/Return prospect go down.

Again, it could happen but I doubt it.

My guess is he will be sent to the practice squad and at some point during the year he will get some playing time, probably at that expense of Ferg who won't be with the team next year (unless the Puke Green ex PUKER really has a standout year
;D)



e. Belicheck looking for revenge for Mills.
;)

marstc09
06-08-2008, 12:11 PM
"Chazz" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.


He won't be cut, but if he is some other team is likly to grab him just like Kanasas City did with Thigpen. From my understanding in order to make it to the practice squad there is waiver period in which another team can put that player on the active squad giving him an oportunity.

Furgeson might be the guy to go, I do like him though cause he's a solid run blocker and he's one of our more physical WR's. IMO it would be a mistake to let Jaymar hit the waiver wire, he's got to much potential and he's already polished. He's ready to contribute right away on specail teams.

If it came between the two for the final cut I would choose Jaymar because he brings more to table when it comes to playmaking ability and we need that at Punt Return. With our defense our Punt Returner is gonna see significant opportunties. He can score anytime he touches the ball, and I would be willing to best he's our most exploive WR in terms of return ability.

You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?

Don't get me wrong, it could happen, but we aren't talking QB's here and as I said in another thread, this years draft class was a glut with short fast WR's that could provide immediate impact on special teams.
Only way JJ get snatched is if a team had the following combination:

a.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies.
b.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies has a couple of thier draft picks go down due to injury.
c.
Vet team has a couple of Vets go down.
d.
Vet team has thier ST/Return prospect go down.

Again, it could happen but I doubt it.

My guess is he will be sent to the practice squad and at some point during the year he will get some playing time, probably at that expense of Ferg who won't be with the team next year (unless the Puke Green ex PUKER really has a standout year
;D)



e. Belicheck looking for revenge for Mills.
;)


LOL I was thinking that too.

V-Unit
06-08-2008, 12:31 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.


He won't be cut, but if he is some other team is likly to grab him just like Kanasas City did with Thigpen. From my understanding in order to make it to the practice squad there is waiver period in which another team can put that player on the active squad giving him an oportunity.

Furgeson might be the guy to go, I do like him though cause he's a solid run blocker and he's one of our more physical WR's. IMO it would be a mistake to let Jaymar hit the waiver wire, he's got to much potential and he's already polished. He's ready to contribute right away on specail teams.

If it came between the two for the final cut I would choose Jaymar because he brings more to table when it comes to playmaking ability and we need that at Punt Return. With our defense our Punt Returner is gonna see significant opportunties. He can score anytime he touches the ball, and I would be willing to best he's our most exploive WR in terms of return ability.

You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?

Don't get me wrong, it could happen, but we aren't talking QB's here and as I said in another thread, this years draft class was a glut with short fast WR's that could provide immediate impact on special teams.
Only way JJ get snatched is if a team had the following combination:

a.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies.
b.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies has a couple of thier draft picks go down due to injury.
c.
Vet team has a couple of Vets go down.
d.
Vet team has thier ST/Return prospect go down.

Again, it could happen but I doubt it.

My guess is he will be sent to the practice squad and at some point during the year he will get some playing time, probably at that expense of Ferg who won't be with the team next year (unless the Puke Green ex PUKER really has a standout year
;D)


I just don't see Ferguson getting cut. It would make our WR corps extremely young. Jaymar's best chance to make the swuad would be to beat out Allison, which would be very tough, or to have the team keep 6 WRs and less TEs

cajunvike
06-08-2008, 12:45 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/JJ.jpg

For those of you unfamilair with our newly added weapon Jaymar Johnson, he was drafted in the 6th round out of Jackson St. He's not a big guy standing 6' 175 but he possess great speed and explosion, he runs crisp routes and he has great hands. In his interviews he expressess great intrest in specail teams practicly drooling at the thought. This was a comment in regards to specail teams: “I don’t even look ate it (playing special teams) as giving me an extra edge,” Johnson explained. “I just love special teams and I’ve been that ways since I started playing football. Special teams is called ‘special’ for a reason. I love it. That phase can lose a game for you or it can win games for you. I love special teams and I’m not juts saying that to be politically correct. I have a passion for it.”

An observant Sidney Rice had this to say: “I think he’s excellent coming in and out of his breaks. He has great feet and great quickness, so I think he’s going to be alright. He has great speed and he’s a good route runner; I’m looking forward to big things out of him.”

Jaymar brings a nice attitude and not stop work ethic to the table, he's a naturaul football player and his mind set is night and day compared to Troy Williamson. He's also the last remaining seed from Randy Moss. One reporter said he hadn't seen speed like Jaymar's since Moss left. Jaymar's timed 40 at the combine was in 4.47 range but looks to me like he runs in the 4.38-4.4 range with room to improve. At the combine he was a top perfromer in the 3-Cone Drill and the 20-Yard Shuttle showing his quickness, he also ranked highly in the 60-Yard Shuttle showing his long speed.

I'm hoping he brings some much needed explosion to the return game, Allison did a fine job during his time but IMO this dude is on another level when it comes to open field elusiveness and the knack. With time in our weight room I see him building up to 185 the same weight as Bernard Berian but one inch shorter. His impact on specail teams should be immediate and with time he should be a sharp weapon at WR. I expect him to impress in Camp and make the final roster.

This first highlight is a new one posted a few weeks after the draft. I had to watch it couple times to locate him on all plays. If you dislike silly rap mute it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zvaKFr2bqY

This video was shot before the draft, I thought it was great highlight and interview again he comments on specail teams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBQdQ1fY9TA&feature=related

Combine footage and Analysis.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jaymar-johnson?id=2653#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-overview

Brief Comments from a Journel.
http://www.profootballcentral.com/2008/05/13/my-words-pfc-journal-of-vikings-wr-jaymar-johnson/

Story from the Trib.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/18535709.html

Recent Article from Vikings.com.
http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_johnsonfeature060608.aspx

Sounds like another Childress guy.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080420-jaymar-johnson-jackson-state-gary,0,6945878.story?page=1






Dude, don't be throwing out Allison just yet...he ALSO was one of the fastest at his combine in the shuttle drills and in the 40.
PLUS he is much taller and has already proven that he can play some at the pro level.
I'm sure that Jaymar may also prove his worth and may quite possibly even surpass Allison...but to call it already a done deal that he will be better is just reaching right now.


Dude, I'll have you read my previous quote: "Allison did a fine job during his time but IMO this dude is on another level when it comes to open field elusiveness and the knack." I'm not out to kick Allison out of the door, I believe he's a good WR with great explosiveness off the line of scrimage, he's able to get open and does a fine job getting in and out of his cuts. He's not as smart as Jaymar Johnson but he likes football and he has a chip on shoulder. I also like his size but I don't believe he has the true knack for returning like Jaymar. He's not much taller maybe 1-2 inches, the difference is Jaymar hans't had his chance yet, Camps will give him that oportunity and then preseason. Again I never said anything was a done deal but Jaymar making the 53 man roster.


I'll concede that IF he shows SPECIAL return talent that he may be a better option than Allison...but I don't think that he will exceed Allison at the WR position this year, so he is going to really have to beat him as a return game option to get kept over Allison.

From Scout.com:

Jaymar Johnson
Height: 5-111/8 | Weight: 177 | 40-Time: 4.47

Official Bio

Strengths:
Adequate height...Good speed and quickness...A deep threat who can stretch the field vertically...Great hands...Terrific ball skills...Gives a solid effort as a blocker...A hard worker with great intangibles...Versatile and he also has some return ability.

Weaknesses:
Thin and doesn't have the bulk that you look for...Not very strong...Sub par route runner...Not real elusive...Won't do a lot after the catch...Has trouble beating the jam at the line of scrimmage...Didn't play against top competition...Limited upside.

Notes:
Also participated in track at the college level..Had his sophomore season cut short by a knee injury....Wasn't really dominant at his level...Pretty one-dimensional...At best he likely profiles as a #4 or #5 wideout and return specialist at the pro level.

That all being said, if he is the next Devin Hester, then I will be the first to say "Adios" to Allison.
;)

VikingsTw
06-08-2008, 01:09 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.


He won't be cut, but if he is some other team is likly to grab him just like Kanasas City did with Thigpen. From my understanding in order to make it to the practice squad there is waiver period in which another team can put that player on the active squad giving him an oportunity.

Furgeson might be the guy to go, I do like him though cause he's a solid run blocker and he's one of our more physical WR's. IMO it would be a mistake to let Jaymar hit the waiver wire, he's got to much potential and he's already polished. He's ready to contribute right away on specail teams.

If it came between the two for the final cut I would choose Jaymar because he brings more to table when it comes to playmaking ability and we need that at Punt Return. With our defense our Punt Returner is gonna see significant opportunties. He can score anytime he touches the ball, and I would be willing to best he's our most exploive WR in terms of return ability.

You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?

Don't get me wrong, it could happen, but we aren't talking QB's here and as I said in another thread, this years draft class was a glut with short fast WR's that could provide immediate impact on special teams.
Only way JJ get snatched is if a team had the following combination:

a.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies.
b.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies has a couple of thier draft picks go down due to injury.
c.
Vet team has a couple of Vets go down.
d.
Vet team has thier ST/Return prospect go down.

Again, it could happen but I doubt it.

My guess is he will be sent to the practice squad and at some point during the year he will get some playing time, probably at that expense of Ferg who won't be with the team next year (unless the Puke Green ex PUKER really has a standout year
;D)


Practice Squad could be the case but IMO he's polished and ready to make an immediate impact on the field. You may be correct in him being pushed to the practice squad, in the mean time I hope they keep hush about him in training camp. Teams will definitly be looking at Minny's waiver wire, they know our team is stacked and we got top knotch Undraft FA. I would like to see Jaymar in the swing of things at Punt Returner immediatley, I would assess how he does in camp and preseason in regards to catching and returning. I'm hoping he's our punt returner day one, he's capable of scoring TD's and giving us good field position, from watching his punt returns in college he has far more natural talent than any of our other WR's when it comes to returning. He is young so that may effect the way Childress decides to utilize him, usuallly he tends to keep rookies to sideline.

Again I could easily see Furgy the odd man out if we keep only 5. He's hear because he persisted on being resigned and felt he could make the team. I hope they didn't garuntee him anything. He's a veteran but we got Berrain and Wade to go along with Rice and Allison who are year 2.

Being a fan of the Vikings I've been patiently waiting for us to draft a pure return man, we've been through several guys here in the past but never had that real threat. I'm hoping JJ is the man for the job, if we could start scoring on specail teams along with Offense and Defense we will be very hard to beat. I believe JJ is a true weapon and it would be a mistake to put him on the waiver wire, our staff will have some tuff decisions to make and hopefully the correct ones.

VikingsTw
06-08-2008, 01:20 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/JJ.jpg

For those of you unfamilair with our newly added weapon Jaymar Johnson, he was drafted in the 6th round out of Jackson St. He's not a big guy standing 6' 175 but he possess great speed and explosion, he runs crisp routes and he has great hands. In his interviews he expressess great intrest in specail teams practicly drooling at the thought. This was a comment in regards to specail teams: “I don’t even look ate it (playing special teams) as giving me an extra edge,” Johnson explained. “I just love special teams and I’ve been that ways since I started playing football. Special teams is called ‘special’ for a reason. I love it. That phase can lose a game for you or it can win games for you. I love special teams and I’m not juts saying that to be politically correct. I have a passion for it.”

An observant Sidney Rice had this to say: “I think he’s excellent coming in and out of his breaks. He has great feet and great quickness, so I think he’s going to be alright. He has great speed and he’s a good route runner; I’m looking forward to big things out of him.”

Jaymar brings a nice attitude and not stop work ethic to the table, he's a naturaul football player and his mind set is night and day compared to Troy Williamson. He's also the last remaining seed from Randy Moss. One reporter said he hadn't seen speed like Jaymar's since Moss left. Jaymar's timed 40 at the combine was in 4.47 range but looks to me like he runs in the 4.38-4.4 range with room to improve. At the combine he was a top perfromer in the 3-Cone Drill and the 20-Yard Shuttle showing his quickness, he also ranked highly in the 60-Yard Shuttle showing his long speed.

I'm hoping he brings some much needed explosion to the return game, Allison did a fine job during his time but IMO this dude is on another level when it comes to open field elusiveness and the knack. With time in our weight room I see him building up to 185 the same weight as Bernard Berian but one inch shorter. His impact on specail teams should be immediate and with time he should be a sharp weapon at WR. I expect him to impress in Camp and make the final roster.

This first highlight is a new one posted a few weeks after the draft. I had to watch it couple times to locate him on all plays. If you dislike silly rap mute it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zvaKFr2bqY

This video was shot before the draft, I thought it was great highlight and interview again he comments on specail teams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBQdQ1fY9TA&feature=related

Combine footage and Analysis.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jaymar-johnson?id=2653#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-overview

Brief Comments from a Journel.
http://www.profootballcentral.com/2008/05/13/my-words-pfc-journal-of-vikings-wr-jaymar-johnson/

Story from the Trib.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/18535709.html

Recent Article from Vikings.com.
http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_johnsonfeature060608.aspx

Sounds like another Childress guy.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080420-jaymar-johnson-jackson-state-gary,0,6945878.story?page=1






Dude, don't be throwing out Allison just yet...he ALSO was one of the fastest at his combine in the shuttle drills and in the 40.

PLUS he is much taller and has already proven that he can play some at the pro level.
I'm sure that Jaymar may also prove his worth and may quite possibly even surpass Allison...but to call it already a done deal that he will be better is just reaching right now.


Dude, I'll have you read my previous quote: "Allison did a fine job during his time but IMO this dude is on another level when it comes to open field elusiveness and the knack." I'm not out to kick Allison out of the door, I believe he's a good WR with great explosiveness off the line of scrimage, he's able to get open and does a fine job getting in and out of his cuts. He's not as smart as Jaymar Johnson but he likes football and he has a chip on shoulder. I also like his size but I don't believe he has the true knack for returning like Jaymar. He's not much taller maybe 1-2 inches, the difference is Jaymar hans't had his chance yet, Camps will give him that oportunity and then preseason. Again I never said anything was a done deal but Jaymar making the 53 man roster.


I'll concede that IF he shows SPECIAL return talent that he may be a better option than Allison...but I don't think that he will exceed Allison at the WR position this year, so he is going to really have to beat him as a return game option to get kept over Allison.

From Scout.com:

Jaymar Johnson
Height: 5-111/8 | Weight: 177 | 40-Time: 4.47

Official Bio

Strengths:
Adequate height...Good speed and quickness...A deep threat who can stretch the field vertically...Great hands...Terrific ball skills...Gives a solid effort as a blocker...A hard worker with great intangibles...Versatile and he also has some return ability.

Weaknesses:
Thin and doesn't have the bulk that you look for...Not very strong...Sub par route runner...Not real elusive...Won't do a lot after the catch...Has trouble beating the jam at the line of scrimmage...Didn't play against top competition...Limited upside.

Notes:
Also participated in track at the college level..Had his sophomore season cut short by a knee injury....Wasn't really dominant at his level...Pretty one-dimensional...At best he likely profiles as a #4 or #5 wideout and return specialist at the pro level.

That all being said, if he is the next Devin Hester, then I will be the first to say "Adios" to Allison.
;)


This is the reason I did not post any of those Draft Analysis, as they are very condtrodicting compared to other sources and videos I have seen. IMO its evident he runs a nice route with great body control and he is very elusive. There were similair controdictions in scouting reports on Tyrell Johnson as well another small school player. Sometimes I wonder if any of these guys evaluted him or they pulled info from different sources.

Allison stays IMO, unless they feel he is lacking the mental part of game or the playbook. I see him as a for sure candidate to make the team, he has very solid speed and explosion. I also like the fact that like Sidney he is still very young and he had great production in college. He should have a bright future and I hope to see more of him this year, infact I would like to see him make #3 on the squad, but Wade is very savy and works well with Tarvaris.

singersp
06-08-2008, 01:53 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.

Chazz
06-08-2008, 02:13 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.


He won't be cut, but if he is some other team is likly to grab him just like Kanasas City did with Thigpen. From my understanding in order to make it to the practice squad there is waiver period in which another team can put that player on the active squad giving him an oportunity.

Furgeson might be the guy to go, I do like him though cause he's a solid run blocker and he's one of our more physical WR's. IMO it would be a mistake to let Jaymar hit the waiver wire, he's got to much potential and he's already polished. He's ready to contribute right away on specail teams.

If it came between the two for the final cut I would choose Jaymar because he brings more to table when it comes to playmaking ability and we need that at Punt Return. With our defense our Punt Returner is gonna see significant opportunties. He can score anytime he touches the ball, and I would be willing to best he's our most exploive WR in terms of return ability.

You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?

Don't get me wrong, it could happen, but we aren't talking QB's here and as I said in another thread, this years draft class was a glut with short fast WR's that could provide immediate impact on special teams.
Only way JJ get snatched is if a team had the following combination:

a.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies.
b.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies has a couple of thier draft picks go down due to injury.
c.
Vet team has a couple of Vets go down.
d.
Vet team has thier ST/Return prospect go down.

Again, it could happen but I doubt it.

My guess is he will be sent to the practice squad and at some point during the year he will get some playing time, probably at that expense of Ferg who won't be with the team next year (unless the Puke Green ex PUKER really has a standout year
;D)


Practice Squad could be the case but IMO he's polished and ready to make an immediate impact on the field. You may be correct in him being pushed to the practice squad, in the mean time I hope they keep hush about him in training camp. Teams will definitly be looking at Minny's waiver wire, they know our team is stacked and we got top knotch Undraft FA. I would like to see Jaymar in the swing of things at Punt Returner immediatley, I would assess how he does in camp and preseason in regards to catching and returning. I'm hoping he's our punt returner day one, he's capable of scoring TD's and giving us good field position, from watching his punt returns in college he has far more natural talent than any of our other WR's when it comes to returning. He is young so that may effect the way Childress decides to utilize him, usuallly he tends to keep rookies to sideline.

Again I could easily see Furgy the odd man out if we keep only 5. He's hear because he persisted on being resigned and felt he could make the team. I hope they didn't garuntee him anything. He's a veteran but we got Berrain and Wade to go along with Rice and Allison who are year 2.

Being a fan of the Vikings I've been patiently waiting for us to draft a pure return man, we've been through several guys here in the past but never had that real threat. I'm hoping JJ is the man for the job, if we could start scoring on specail teams along with Offense and Defense we will be very hard to beat. I believe JJ is a true weapon and it would be a mistake to put him on the waiver wire, our staff will have some tuff decisions to make and hopefully the correct ones.


I agree with everything you are saying here. IMO they drafted him to be our punt returner. Now they just need to go through training camp and preseason to see if they got what they thought the did.

Marrdro
06-09-2008, 10:26 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Thanks TW.


I really like this kid.
Problem is I just can't see him making the squad unless someone goes (hopefully Ferg) as the staff to date, hasn't carried 6 WR's on thier initial 53 man roster.


My guess is they will put him on the practice squad and then activate him if/when the OL straightens out a bit or they have another roster spot open.


He won't be cut, but if he is some other team is likly to grab him just like Kanasas City did with Thigpen. From my understanding in order to make it to the practice squad there is waiver period in which another team can put that player on the active squad giving him an oportunity.

Furgeson might be the guy to go, I do like him though cause he's a solid run blocker and he's one of our more physical WR's. IMO it would be a mistake to let Jaymar hit the waiver wire, he's got to much potential and he's already polished. He's ready to contribute right away on specail teams.

If it came between the two for the final cut I would choose Jaymar because he brings more to table when it comes to playmaking ability and we need that at Punt Return. With our defense our Punt Returner is gonna see significant opportunties. He can score anytime he touches the ball, and I would be willing to best he's our most exploive WR in terms of return ability.

You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?

Don't get me wrong, it could happen, but we aren't talking QB's here and as I said in another thread, this years draft class was a glut with short fast WR's that could provide immediate impact on special teams.
Only way JJ get snatched is if a team had the following combination:

a.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies.
b.
Young team in a rebuilding mode that is willing to start rookies has a couple of thier draft picks go down due to injury.
c.
Vet team has a couple of Vets go down.
d.
Vet team has thier ST/Return prospect go down.

Again, it could happen but I doubt it.

My guess is he will be sent to the practice squad and at some point during the year he will get some playing time, probably at that expense of Ferg who won't be with the team next year (unless the Puke Green ex PUKER really has a standout year
;D)


Practice Squad could be the case but IMO he's polished and ready to make an immediate impact on the field. You may be correct in him being pushed to the practice squad, in the mean time I hope they keep hush about him in training camp. Teams will definitly be looking at Minny's waiver wire, they know our team is stacked and we got top knotch Undraft FA. I would like to see Jaymar in the swing of things at Punt Returner immediatley, I would assess how he does in camp and preseason in regards to catching and returning. I'm hoping he's our punt returner day one, he's capable of scoring TD's and giving us good field position, from watching his punt returns in college he has far more natural talent than any of our other WR's when it comes to returning. He is young so that may effect the way Childress decides to utilize him, usuallly he tends to keep rookies to sideline.

Again I could easily see Furgy the odd man out if we keep only 5. He's hear because he persisted on being resigned and felt he could make the team. I hope they didn't garuntee him anything. He's a veteran but we got Berrain and Wade to go along with Rice and Allison who are year 2.

Being a fan of the Vikings I've been patiently waiting for us to draft a pure return man, we've been through several guys here in the past but never had that real threat. I'm hoping JJ is the man for the job, if we could start scoring on specail teams along with Offense and Defense we will be very hard to beat. I believe JJ is a true weapon and it would be a mistake to put him on the waiver wire, our staff will have some tuff decisions to make and hopefully the correct ones.

That is a solid post my friend with a great point about our talent level and other teams watching us that I didn't take into account.

Now you have me worried.
;D

Again, solid post my friend.

Marrdro
06-09-2008, 10:28 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.

Leave it to you to come up with CC.
;D

What team is in such a dire need right now that you think would go after him?

C Mac D
06-09-2008, 10:30 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.

Leave it to you to come up with CC.
;D

What team is in such a dire need right now that you think would go after him?


The Bears, The Bucs, The Ravens, The 49ers, The Texans, Dolphins...

Marrdro
06-09-2008, 10:48 AM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.

Leave it to you to come up with CC.

;D

What team is in such a dire need right now that you think would go after him?


The Bears, The Bucs, The Ravens, The 49ers, The Texans, Dolphins...

The Bears have Hester.

The Bucs have a butt load of WR's on thier roster that they picked up and seem to be happy with thier own kid (Jackson) they drafted this year.
Why would JJ be better than any of them...
11 Taye Biddle WR 25 6-1 185 2 Mississippi
81 Antonio Bryant WR 27 6-2 188 6 Pittsburgh
86 Brian Clark WR 24 6-3 205 3 North Carolina State
80 Michael Clayton WR 25 6-4 215 5 LSU
84 Joey Galloway WR 36 5-11 197 14 Ohio State
16 Cortez Hankton WR 27 6-0 200 5 Texas Southern

The Texans could also be a possibility but they appear to have a pretty decent crop of kids they need to get on the field as well.
89 David Anderson WR 24 5-10 194 3 Colorado State
16 Tim Carter WR 28 6-0 187 7 Auburn
11 Andre Davis WR 28 6-1 195 7 Virginia Tech
80 Andre Johnson WR 26 6-3 219 6 Miami (FL)
12 Jacoby Jones WR 23 6-2 210 2 Lane
19 LeRon McCoy WR 26 6-1 219 4 Indiana (PA)
13 Mark Simmons WR 24 5-10 187 1 Kansas
83 Kevin Walter WR 26 6-3 214 6 Eastern Michigan
86 Harry Williams WR 25 6-2 186 3 Tuskegee

19 Ike Hilliard WR 32 5-11 210 12 Florida
-- Dexter Jackson WR 21 5-10 180 R Appalachian State
15 Chad Lucas WR 26 6-1 201 2 Alabama State
17 Micheal Spurlock WR 25 5-11 200 2 Mississippi
85 Maurice Stovall WR 23 6-5 220 3 Notre Dame
82 Paris Warren WR 25 6-0 213 3 Utah

I could see the Ravens....
89 Mark Clayton WR 25 5-10 195 4 Oklahoma
16 Yamon Figurs WR 26 5-11 175 2 Kansas State
-- Justin Harper WR 23 6-4 214 R Virginia Tech
85 Derrick Mason WR 34 5-10 192 12 Michigan State
-- Marcus Smith WR 23 6-2 212 R New Mexico
87 Demetrius Williams WR 25 6-2 197 3 Oregon
17 Matt Willis WR 24 6-0 195 2 UCLA

I could see the 49rs but I think they have 2 kids of thier own that they will protect in Morgan and Rabb.
83 Arnaz Battle WR 28 6-1 213 6 Notre Dame
80 Isaac Bruce WR 35 6-0 188 15 Memphis
89 Jason Hill WR 23 6-0 204 2 Washington State
80 Bryant Johnson WR 27 6-3 216 6 Penn State
18 Ashley Lelie WR 28 6-3 193 7 Hawaii
-- Josh Morgan WR 22 6-1 220 R Virginia Tech
-- Jerard Rabb WR 23 6-2 201 1 Boise State

Miami should be set with the great Tedd Ginn Jr but you never know what the Tuna be cooking down there in the Fl sun.

No, I think he will be safe if we put him on the practice squad.
Again, the draft was a glut with WR's with this type of talent.

Heck even Big Al Davis got guy out of Richmond VA, (Arman Shields), that will be in the mix.
;D

ItalianStallion
06-09-2008, 01:17 PM
He'd certainly be better than Wade on punt returns.
That being said, I like Allison a lot on kick returns and it looks like Maurice Hicks is almost a lock to be on KR as well.

C Mac D
06-09-2008, 01:21 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.

Leave it to you to come up with CC.
;D

What team is in such a dire need right now that you think would go after him?


The Bears, The Bucs, The Ravens, The 49ers, The Texans, Dolphins...

The Bears have Hester.

The Bucs have a butt load of WR's on thier roster that they picked up and seem to be happy with thier own kid (Jackson) they drafted this year.
Why would JJ be better than any of them...
11 Taye Biddle WR 25 6-1 185 2 Mississippi
81 Antonio Bryant WR 27 6-2 188 6 Pittsburgh
86 Brian Clark WR 24 6-3 205 3 North Carolina State
80 Michael Clayton WR 25 6-4 215 5 LSU
84 Joey Galloway WR 36 5-11 197 14 Ohio State
16 Cortez Hankton WR 27 6-0 200 5 Texas Southern

The Texans could also be a possibility but they appear to have a pretty decent crop of kids they need to get on the field as well.
89 David Anderson WR 24 5-10 194 3 Colorado State
16 Tim Carter WR 28 6-0 187 7 Auburn
11 Andre Davis WR 28 6-1 195 7 Virginia Tech
80 Andre Johnson WR 26 6-3 219 6 Miami (FL)
12 Jacoby Jones WR 23 6-2 210 2 Lane
19 LeRon McCoy WR 26 6-1 219 4 Indiana (PA)
13 Mark Simmons WR 24 5-10 187 1 Kansas
83 Kevin Walter WR 26 6-3 214 6 Eastern Michigan
86 Harry Williams WR 25 6-2 186 3 Tuskegee

19 Ike Hilliard WR 32 5-11 210 12 Florida
-- Dexter Jackson WR 21 5-10 180 R Appalachian State
15 Chad Lucas WR 26 6-1 201 2 Alabama State
17 Micheal Spurlock WR 25 5-11 200 2 Mississippi
85 Maurice Stovall WR 23 6-5 220 3 Notre Dame
82 Paris Warren WR 25 6-0 213 3 Utah

I could see the Ravens....
89 Mark Clayton WR 25 5-10 195 4 Oklahoma
16 Yamon Figurs WR 26 5-11 175 2 Kansas State
-- Justin Harper WR 23 6-4 214 R Virginia Tech
85 Derrick Mason WR 34 5-10 192 12 Michigan State
-- Marcus Smith WR 23 6-2 212 R New Mexico
87 Demetrius Williams WR 25 6-2 197 3 Oregon
17 Matt Willis WR 24 6-0 195 2 UCLA

I could see the 49rs but I think they have 2 kids of thier own that they will protect in Morgan and Rabb.
83 Arnaz Battle WR 28 6-1 213 6 Notre Dame
80 Isaac Bruce WR 35 6-0 188 15 Memphis
89 Jason Hill WR 23 6-0 204 2 Washington State
80 Bryant Johnson WR 27 6-3 216 6 Penn State
18 Ashley Lelie WR 28 6-3 193 7 Hawaii
-- Josh Morgan WR 22 6-1 220 R Virginia Tech
-- Jerard Rabb WR 23 6-2 201 1 Boise State

Miami should be set with the great Tedd Ginn Jr but you never know what the Tuna be cooking down there in the Fl sun.

No, I think he will be safe if we put him on the practice squad.
Again, the draft was a glut with WR's with this type of talent.

Heck even Big Al Davis got guy out of Richmond VA, (Arman Shields), that will be in the mix.
;D


None of those rosters look rock solid at WR... I mean, you even listed Cortez Hankton as one of the WR for the Bucs... who I believe we had and got rid of.

Also, none of the WR rosters you posted above are final anyways... they can easily change, especially considering there are only about 2-3 big names on that list above... and that's including Ginn Jr.

The only team I can see being ok on WR from that list is 49ers.

Marrdro
06-09-2008, 01:26 PM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:




You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.

Leave it to you to come up with CC.

;D

What team is in such a dire need right now that you think would go after him?


The Bears, The Bucs, The Ravens, The 49ers, The Texans, Dolphins...

The Bears have Hester.

The Bucs have a butt load of WR's on thier roster that they picked up and seem to be happy with thier own kid (Jackson) they drafted this year.
Why would JJ be better than any of them...
11 Taye Biddle WR 25 6-1 185 2 Mississippi
81 Antonio Bryant WR 27 6-2 188 6 Pittsburgh
86 Brian Clark WR 24 6-3 205 3 North Carolina State
80 Michael Clayton WR 25 6-4 215 5 LSU
84 Joey Galloway WR 36 5-11 197 14 Ohio State
16 Cortez Hankton WR 27 6-0 200 5 Texas Southern

The Texans could also be a possibility but they appear to have a pretty decent crop of kids they need to get on the field as well.
89 David Anderson WR 24 5-10 194 3 Colorado State
16 Tim Carter WR 28 6-0 187 7 Auburn
11 Andre Davis WR 28 6-1 195 7 Virginia Tech
80 Andre Johnson WR 26 6-3 219 6 Miami (FL)
12 Jacoby Jones WR 23 6-2 210 2 Lane
19 LeRon McCoy WR 26 6-1 219 4 Indiana (PA)
13 Mark Simmons WR 24 5-10 187 1 Kansas
83 Kevin Walter WR 26 6-3 214 6 Eastern Michigan
86 Harry Williams WR 25 6-2 186 3 Tuskegee

19 Ike Hilliard WR 32 5-11 210 12 Florida
-- Dexter Jackson WR 21 5-10 180 R Appalachian State
15 Chad Lucas WR 26 6-1 201 2 Alabama State
17 Micheal Spurlock WR 25 5-11 200 2 Mississippi
85 Maurice Stovall WR 23 6-5 220 3 Notre Dame
82 Paris Warren WR 25 6-0 213 3 Utah

I could see the Ravens....
89 Mark Clayton WR 25 5-10 195 4 Oklahoma
16 Yamon Figurs WR 26 5-11 175 2 Kansas State
-- Justin Harper WR 23 6-4 214 R Virginia Tech
85 Derrick Mason WR 34 5-10 192 12 Michigan State
-- Marcus Smith WR 23 6-2 212 R New Mexico
87 Demetrius Williams WR 25 6-2 197 3 Oregon
17 Matt Willis WR 24 6-0 195 2 UCLA

I could see the 49rs but I think they have 2 kids of thier own that they will protect in Morgan and Rabb.
83 Arnaz Battle WR 28 6-1 213 6 Notre Dame
80 Isaac Bruce WR 35 6-0 188 15 Memphis
89 Jason Hill WR 23 6-0 204 2 Washington State
80 Bryant Johnson WR 27 6-3 216 6 Penn State
18 Ashley Lelie WR 28 6-3 193 7 Hawaii
-- Josh Morgan WR 22 6-1 220 R Virginia Tech
-- Jerard Rabb WR 23 6-2 201 1 Boise State

Miami should be set with the great Tedd Ginn Jr but you never know what the Tuna be cooking down there in the Fl sun.

No, I think he will be safe if we put him on the practice squad.
Again, the draft was a glut with WR's with this type of talent.

Heck even Big Al Davis got guy out of Richmond VA, (Arman Shields), that will be in the mix.

;D


None of those rosters look rock solid at WR... I mean, you even listed Cortez Hankton as one of the WR for the Bucs... who I believe we had and got rid of.

Also, none of the WR rosters you posted above are final anyways... they can easily change, especially considering there are only about 2-3 big names on that list above... and that's including Ginn Jr.

The only team I can see being ok on WR from that list is 49ers.

Of course nothing is final Big C..... ;D

My point, by listing all the WR's that they currently have on thier roster, is that they have just as many guys on their roster that can fill the same role as what JJ can do.

Just because we lost Thygpen to the Chiefs last year, everyone seems to be a bit paranoid over a late round, 2nd day WR somehow becoming the most coveted WR by every team to fix thier WR roster.

Seriously, if he was really that great a WR he would have been drafted alot higher by a team that really wanted him.
What has really changed from the draft to now?

C Mac D
06-09-2008, 01:28 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


What has really changed from the draft to now?


It's June, not April?

mountainviking
06-09-2008, 03:08 PM
Nice Vids!
Thanks!!
This kid looks like he can step sideways damn near as fast as forward...he's just plain got quick feet and a knack for keeping them directly under, where he needs them for balance and shiftiness.
I think that is an important trait for open field elusivness, after the catch, or on returns.
Judging from those highlights, he looks to have pretty good hands and good concentration too.
Some of those catches are pretty impressive, whether its in tight coverage, adjusting to the ball in air, down the sidelines or whatever.

I saw the Moss resemblance too...especially, with the hair pulled back like that.
Kind of a funny irony
;D

Its just a feeling, and I can see where most teams have a guy like this that they're already looking at, but I don't see him making it through waivers.
Those top times in those drills have certainly raised a bit of attention, and there are always teams with injuries in TC and preseason, and most likely, on special teams!!

On the other hand, teams looking for WRs should probably take a look at the Packers.
They just got Koren Robinson back (and now hes on the alabuse pill-makes you hurl if you drink any alcohol...maybe even cough syrup.)
And, they've drafted several with potential the past two years in addition to having a solid goto vet in Driver.

cajunvike
06-09-2008, 03:38 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.


Yeah, but Buddy Ryan was a DUMB BASS!

Purple Floyd
06-09-2008, 04:59 PM
I doubt he will make the team. There is no way he is going to beat out Allison and the olny possibility I see is if they release Ferguson. I would be fine with it if they do, but I don't see him beating out

Berrian
Rice
Wade
Allison

cogitans
06-09-2008, 05:13 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


I doubt he will make the team. There is no way he is going to beat out Allison and the olny possibility I see is if they release Ferguson. I would be fine with it if they do, but I don't see him beating out

Berrian
Rice
Wade
Allison
I agree that it would be
Ferguson he'd have to beat. Unless they decide to go with 6 wideouts. Crazier things have happened. I believe we went heavy on D-line last year. It could be a different position this year.

Those final roster spots might be determined by ST ability though.

VikingsTw
06-09-2008, 06:37 PM
"cogitans" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


I doubt he will make the team. There is no way he is going to beat out Allison and the olny possibility I see is if they release Ferguson. I would be fine with it if they do, but I don't see him beating out

Berrian
Rice
Wade
Allison
I agree that it would be
Ferguson he'd have to beat. Unless they decide to go with 6 wideouts. Crazier things have happened. I believe we went heavy on D-line last year. It could be a different position this year.

Those final roster spots might be determined by ST ability though.


You make a good point about that last roster spot for specail teams, I agree. Although Furgeson is our biggest, most physical WR he could easly find himself behind other guys like Rice, Berrian, Allison and Wade. To be quite honest him and Wade are mear even but Wade has the deal. Jaymar on the actice roster gives us automatic specail teams production, whereas Furgeson would ride the bench.

I think JJ's potential along with his pure work ethic will lead to a roster spot one way or the other. Furgeson's upside just isn't all that and we know how he can get caught from behind. JJ's not very big but he brings some explosiveness and play making ability to the table and not just at WR.

singersp
06-09-2008, 08:44 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:






You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.

Leave it to you to come up with CC.
;D

What team is in such a dire need right now that you think would go after him?


The Bears, The Bucs, The Ravens, The 49ers, The Texans, Dolphins...

The Bears have Hester.

The Bucs have a butt load of WR's on thier roster that they picked up and seem to be happy with thier own kid (Jackson) they drafted this year.
Why would JJ be better than any of them...
11 Taye Biddle WR 25 6-1 185 2 Mississippi
81 Antonio Bryant WR 27 6-2 188 6 Pittsburgh
86 Brian Clark WR 24 6-3 205 3 North Carolina State
80 Michael Clayton WR 25 6-4 215 5 LSU
84 Joey Galloway WR 36 5-11 197 14 Ohio State
16 Cortez Hankton WR 27 6-0 200 5 Texas Southern

The Texans could also be a possibility but they appear to have a pretty decent crop of kids they need to get on the field as well.
89 David Anderson WR 24 5-10 194 3 Colorado State
16 Tim Carter WR 28 6-0 187 7 Auburn
11 Andre Davis WR 28 6-1 195 7 Virginia Tech
80 Andre Johnson WR 26 6-3 219 6 Miami (FL)
12 Jacoby Jones WR 23 6-2 210 2 Lane
19 LeRon McCoy WR 26 6-1 219 4 Indiana (PA)
13 Mark Simmons WR 24 5-10 187 1 Kansas
83 Kevin Walter WR 26 6-3 214 6 Eastern Michigan
86 Harry Williams WR 25 6-2 186 3 Tuskegee

19 Ike Hilliard WR 32 5-11 210 12 Florida
-- Dexter Jackson WR 21 5-10 180 R Appalachian State
15 Chad Lucas WR 26 6-1 201 2 Alabama State
17 Micheal Spurlock WR 25 5-11 200 2 Mississippi
85 Maurice Stovall WR 23 6-5 220 3 Notre Dame
82 Paris Warren WR 25 6-0 213 3 Utah

I could see the Ravens....
89 Mark Clayton WR 25 5-10 195 4 Oklahoma
16 Yamon Figurs WR 26 5-11 175 2 Kansas State
-- Justin Harper WR 23 6-4 214 R Virginia Tech
85 Derrick Mason WR 34 5-10 192 12 Michigan State
-- Marcus Smith WR 23 6-2 212 R New Mexico
87 Demetrius Williams WR 25 6-2 197 3 Oregon
17 Matt Willis WR 24 6-0 195 2 UCLA

I could see the 49rs but I think they have 2 kids of thier own that they will protect in Morgan and Rabb.
83 Arnaz Battle WR 28 6-1 213 6 Notre Dame
80 Isaac Bruce WR 35 6-0 188 15 Memphis
89 Jason Hill WR 23 6-0 204 2 Washington State
80 Bryant Johnson WR 27 6-3 216 6 Penn State
18 Ashley Lelie WR 28 6-3 193 7 Hawaii
-- Josh Morgan WR 22 6-1 220 R Virginia Tech
-- Jerard Rabb WR 23 6-2 201 1 Boise State

Miami should be set with the great Tedd Ginn Jr but you never know what the Tuna be cooking down there in the Fl sun.

No, I think he will be safe if we put him on the practice squad.
Again, the draft was a glut with WR's with this type of talent.

Heck even Big Al Davis got guy out of Richmond VA, (Arman Shields), that will be in the mix.
;D


None of those rosters look rock solid at WR... I mean, you even listed Cortez Hankton as one of the WR for the Bucs... who I believe we had and got rid of.

Also, none of the WR rosters you posted above are final anyways... they can easily change, especially considering there are only about 2-3 big names on that list above... and that's including Ginn Jr.

The only team I can see being ok on WR from that list is 49ers.

Of course nothing is final Big C..... ;D

My point, by listing all the WR's that they currently have on thier roster, is that they have just as many guys on their roster that can fill the same role as what JJ can do.

Just because we lost Thygpen to the Chiefs last year, everyone seems to be a bit paranoid over a late round, 2nd day WR somehow becoming the most coveted WR by every team to fix thier WR roster.

Seriously, if he was really that great a WR he would have been drafted alot higher by a team that really wanted him.
What has really changed from the draft to now?


Not most coveted, but could easily go after him based on what unfolds in the pre-season games.

Fuck, Belichick would snatch him purely out of spite.

kevoncox
06-10-2008, 05:58 PM
::)

The title of this thread is a bit absurd.

VikingsTw
06-10-2008, 08:46 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


::)

The title of this thread is a bit absurd.


Why's that? Jaymar can do many of things that Troy Williamson was no good at. Like catching the football, open field elusivness, returning kicks and a certain type of attitude.

Time will tell but I've did enough thinking to come up with the conclusion that Jaymar Johnson will do more for our team than Troy Williamson ever did. Jaymar has a future as wide out to go along with his passion for returning kicks.

Who knows maybe I'm incorrect, maybe he blows out his knee day three into training camp and never makes the team. Or maybe his pure work ethic and passion for football along with his athletic abilities will land him a position on this team for years to come. I can see him getting bigger and faster with time. One thing I know is he will be very difficult to cover on the field, he has the type of quickness and speed that is very hard to defend. Troy had the same type of abilities in terms of route running but never panned out. What I'm really exited about is his Punt Return ability, he truely has knack for it and wants to become great at it.

V-Unit
06-11-2008, 12:45 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


::)

The title of this thread is a bit absurd.


Yeah, the fact that someone can't spell exceed is absurd.

IwearSox21
06-11-2008, 01:13 PM
"V" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


::)

The title of this thread is a bit absurd.


Yeah, the fact that someone can't spell exceed is absurd.


plus does anyone know what jaymar has for the vikings ever.

cajunvike
06-11-2008, 01:17 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:








You are correct, he will have to clear waivers and a team could pick him up, however, when was the last time you saw a WR get snatched trying to clear waivers?


Cris Carter was picked up off waivers.
;)

??? Several WR's get claimed off of waiver wires each & every year. He would never make it to the practice squad. A lot worse WR prospects have been claimed off waivers.

Leave it to you to come up with CC.

;D

What team is in such a dire need right now that you think would go after him?


The Bears, The Bucs, The Ravens, The 49ers, The Texans, Dolphins...

The Bears have Hester.

The Bucs have a butt load of WR's on thier roster that they picked up and seem to be happy with thier own kid (Jackson) they drafted this year.
Why would JJ be better than any of them...
11 Taye Biddle WR 25 6-1 185 2 Mississippi
81 Antonio Bryant WR 27 6-2 188 6 Pittsburgh
86 Brian Clark WR 24 6-3 205 3 North Carolina State
80 Michael Clayton WR 25 6-4 215 5 LSU
84 Joey Galloway WR 36 5-11 197 14 Ohio State
16 Cortez Hankton WR 27 6-0 200 5 Texas Southern

The Texans could also be a possibility but they appear to have a pretty decent crop of kids they need to get on the field as well.
89 David Anderson WR 24 5-10 194 3 Colorado State
16 Tim Carter WR 28 6-0 187 7 Auburn
11 Andre Davis WR 28 6-1 195 7 Virginia Tech
80 Andre Johnson WR 26 6-3 219 6 Miami (FL)
12 Jacoby Jones WR 23 6-2 210 2 Lane
19 LeRon McCoy WR 26 6-1 219 4 Indiana (PA)
13 Mark Simmons WR 24 5-10 187 1 Kansas
83 Kevin Walter WR 26 6-3 214 6 Eastern Michigan
86 Harry Williams WR 25 6-2 186 3 Tuskegee

19 Ike Hilliard WR 32 5-11 210 12 Florida
-- Dexter Jackson WR 21 5-10 180 R Appalachian State
15 Chad Lucas WR 26 6-1 201 2 Alabama State
17 Micheal Spurlock WR 25 5-11 200 2 Mississippi
85 Maurice Stovall WR 23 6-5 220 3 Notre Dame
82 Paris Warren WR 25 6-0 213 3 Utah

I could see the Ravens....
89 Mark Clayton WR 25 5-10 195 4 Oklahoma
16 Yamon Figurs WR 26 5-11 175 2 Kansas State
-- Justin Harper WR 23 6-4 214 R Virginia Tech
85 Derrick Mason WR 34 5-10 192 12 Michigan State
-- Marcus Smith WR 23 6-2 212 R New Mexico
87 Demetrius Williams WR 25 6-2 197 3 Oregon
17 Matt Willis WR 24 6-0 195 2 UCLA

I could see the 49rs but I think they have 2 kids of thier own that they will protect in Morgan and Rabb.
83 Arnaz Battle WR 28 6-1 213 6 Notre Dame
80 Isaac Bruce WR 35 6-0 188 15 Memphis
89 Jason Hill WR 23 6-0 204 2 Washington State
80 Bryant Johnson WR 27 6-3 216 6 Penn State
18 Ashley Lelie WR 28 6-3 193 7 Hawaii
-- Josh Morgan WR 22 6-1 220 R Virginia Tech
-- Jerard Rabb WR 23 6-2 201 1 Boise State

Miami should be set with the great Tedd Ginn Jr but you never know what the Tuna be cooking down there in the Fl sun.

No, I think he will be safe if we put him on the practice squad.
Again, the draft was a glut with WR's with this type of talent.

Heck even Big Al Davis got guy out of Richmond VA, (Arman Shields), that will be in the mix.

;D


None of those rosters look rock solid at WR... I mean, you even listed Cortez Hankton as one of the WR for the Bucs... who I believe we had and got rid of.

Also, none of the WR rosters you posted above are final anyways... they can easily change, especially considering there are only about 2-3 big names on that list above... and that's including Ginn Jr.

The only team I can see being ok on WR from that list is 49ers.

Of course nothing is final Big C..... ;D

My point, by listing all the WR's that they currently have on thier roster, is that they have just as many guys on their roster that can fill the same role as what JJ can do.

Just because we lost Thygpen to the Chiefs last year, everyone seems to be a bit paranoid over a late round, 2nd day WR somehow becoming the most coveted WR by every team to fix thier WR roster.

Seriously, if he was really that great a WR he would have been drafted alot higher by a team that really wanted him.
What has really changed from the draft to now?


Not most coveted, but could easily go after him based on what unfolds in the pre-season games.

floop, Belichick would snatch him purely out of spite.

Good...let that jerkwad Belichick start to operate on pure emotion instead of logic...that way, he starts to make mistakes.
Fact is, IF Jaymar is good enough, the Vikes won't let him go.
Crying about Thigpen is foolish as well...he may never start a game in his entire career.
Booty is AT LEAST as good as Thigpen is (probably better) and the Vikes didn't really lose any production from Thigpen last year (he would have stayed on the practice squad all season last year anyway).
Funny how Hank Baskett hasn't done much since he became an Eagle also.

Receiving Rushing

Year Age Tm Pos G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G YScm RRTD Fmb
2006 24 PHI wr 16 5 22 464 21.1 2 89 1.4 29.0



464 2 0
2007 25 PHI
16 0 16 142 8.9 1 25 1.0 8.9



142 1 0
Career

32 5 38 606 15.9 3 89 1.2 18.9



606 3 0


Better to focus on those players who ARE Vikings.

Garland Greene
06-11-2008, 01:39 PM
"V" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


::)

The title of this thread is a bit absurd.


Yeah, the fact that someone can't spell exceed is absurd.


Or are we talking about the fact that thsi is basically the same thread as one that was already started? ;)

C Mac D
06-11-2008, 01:50 PM
"IwearSox21" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


::)

The title of this thread is a bit absurd.


Yeah, the fact that someone can't spell exceed is absurd.


plus does anyone know what jaymar has for the vikings ever.


Does anyone know what the hell you're trying to say?

VikingsTw
06-11-2008, 02:01 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


::)

The title of this thread is a bit absurd.


Yeah, the fact that someone can't spell exceed is absurd.


Or are we talking about the fact that thsi is basically the same thread as one that was already started? ;)


Not really, granted there are a few more around this one has several different references, you can come to this thread and find just about everything you need to know about Jaymar plus a picture. ;)

VikingsTw
06-11-2008, 02:04 PM
"V" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


::)

The title of this thread is a bit absurd.


Yeah, the fact that someone can't spell exceed is absurd.


LOL! English class was never my strong point although I did pass it with flying colors in college, along with my degree, how absurd... ::)

Anyways you and Kevin keep holding hands in these threads its fun to read. :D

VikingsTw
06-04-2009, 08:57 PM
Some news here to report on Jaymar Johnson, suposubly the kid is studn'n it, hopefully everything works out for him. I always liked him real well, I created this thread so you can find anything Jaymar and more here in the Jaymar Johnson Thread.

Click on the Links to get Entire Articles.

Thursday OTA Notebook
6/4/2009
|
By Mike Wobschall, vikings.com

Always showing up

While there are usually a few players not on the field for a given OTA practice, one player who has constantly shown up is WR Jaymar Johnson. He made a spectacular catch during one drill on Thursday.

On the play, Johnson was running step-for-step with a defensive back down the middle of the field. The pass was thrown high and deep, and as soon as Johnson spotted the ball in the air, he turned on what seemed to be another gear and was able to catch up to the ball, run under it and haul it in as he ran into the endzone and away from the defender. It was a nice grab by him, and it was also convenient because he made the play right in front of Vikings VP of Player Personnel Rick Spielman.

“I can’t think of anybody that’s (worked harder),” Childress said.
“He was right back in there in the weight room (after the 2008 season), taking care of himself (and) taking care of what he needs to take care off. He is in meetings that he doesn’t have to be in with the rookies. I mean he is on a mission.”

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_thursdaynotebook060409.aspx

Coach Stew's Crew
6/3/2009
|
By Mike Wobschall, vikings.com

Jaymar Johnson

Johnson was a 7th round pick of the Vikings in 2008 who spent the season on practice squad. As should be expected, Johnson came out of Jackson State raw. But he has good speed and displayed playmaking ability in college because he scored by rush, punt return and reception. He also started every game he played during his final 3 college seasons.

But with all that in mind, Johnson is in a position now to compete for a spot on the roster because of the hard work he put in on practice squad in 2008 and especially because of his work ethic this offseason. He’s been in the building for much of the time since the end of 2008, and his play on the field during OTAs is reflecting that, according to Stewart.

“Jaymar is a young man who worked extremely hard during the course of the offseason,” Stewart explained. “His hard work is showing. He put on 20 pounds from 167 to 187 and it has not affected his speed. He has been very impressive during the OTAs and we hope that this will continue.”

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_stewscrew060309.aspx

Childress praises Johnson
June 4th, 2009 – 7:41 PM by Chip Scoggins

As for Johnson, it’s clear that Childress is extremely pleased with his work ethic this offseason and the approach he’s taken in trying to win a roster spot. Johnson, who also is in the mix as a return guy, is noticeably bigger this season and looks confident as a receiver.

“Once again, I can’t think of anybody that’s (worked harder),” Childress said. “You’re talking about a guy that came in here at 169 pounds soaking wet and he is 187 pounds right now. I don’t know how he does it, but he has 3 percent body fat and just gained 17 pounds now. I can look around here, men and women included, I doubt that has happened to any of you (laughs).

“So, he has worked his tail off. His wife is a special needs teacher over here at Eden Prairie High School and they are here year round. He wasn’t gone a week [this offseason] because he lives here now. He was right back in there in the weight room, taking care of himself (and) taking care of what he needs to take care of. He is in meetings that he doesn’t have to be in with the rookies. I mean he is on a mission.”

http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2932

kevoncox
06-04-2009, 09:19 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Some news here to report on Jaymar Johnson, suposubly the kid is studn'n it, hopefully everything works out for him. I always liked him real well, I created this thread so you can find anything Jaymar and more here in the Jaymar Johnson Thread.

Click on the Links to get Entire Articles.

Thursday OTA Notebook
6/4/2009
|
By Mike Wobschall, vikings.com

Always showing up

While there are usually a few players not on the field for a given OTA practice, one player who has constantly shown up is WR Jaymar Johnson. He made a spectacular catch during one drill on Thursday.

On the play, Johnson was running step-for-step with a defensive back down the middle of the field. The pass was thrown high and deep, and as soon as Johnson spotted the ball in the air, he turned on what seemed to be another gear and was able to catch up to the ball, run under it and haul it in as he ran into the endzone and away from the defender. It was a nice grab by him, and it was also convenient because he made the play right in front of Vikings VP of Player Personnel Rick Spielman.

“I can’t think of anybody that’s (worked harder),” Childress said.
“He was right back in there in the weight room (after the 2008 season), taking care of himself (and) taking care of what he needs to take care off. He is in meetings that he doesn’t have to be in with the rookies. I mean he is on a mission.”

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_thursdaynotebook060409.aspx

Coach Stew's Crew
6/3/2009
|
By Mike Wobschall, vikings.com

Jaymar Johnson

Johnson was a 7th round pick of the Vikings in 2008 who spent the season on practice squad. As should be expected, Johnson came out of Jackson State raw. But he has good speed and displayed playmaking ability in college because he scored by rush, punt return and reception. He also started every game he played during his final 3 college seasons.

But with all that in mind, Johnson is in a position now to compete for a spot on the roster because of the hard work he put in on practice squad in 2008 and especially because of his work ethic this offseason. He’s been in the building for much of the time since the end of 2008, and his play on the field during OTAs is reflecting that, according to Stewart.

“Jaymar is a young man who worked extremely hard during the course of the offseason,” Stewart explained. “His hard work is showing. He put on 20 pounds from 167 to 187 and it has not affected his speed. He has been very impressive during the OTAs and we hope that this will continue.”

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_stewscrew060309.aspx

Childress praises Johnson
June 4th, 2009 – 7:41 PM by Chip Scoggins

As for Johnson, it’s clear that Childress is extremely pleased with his work ethic this offseason and the approach he’s taken in trying to win a roster spot. Johnson, who also is in the mix as a return guy, is noticeably bigger this season and looks confident as a receiver.

“Once again, I can’t think of anybody that’s (worked harder),” Childress said. “You’re talking about a guy that came in here at 169 pounds soaking wet and he is 187 pounds right now. I don’t know how he does it, but he has 3 percent body fat and just gained 17 pounds now. I can look around here, men and women included, I doubt that has happened to any of you (laughs).

“So, he has worked his tail off. His wife is a special needs teacher over here at Eden Prairie High School and they are here year round. He wasn’t gone a week [this offseason] because he lives here now. He was right back in there in the weight room, taking care of himself (and) taking care of what he needs to take care of. He is in meetings that he doesn’t have to be in with the rookies. I mean he is on a mission.”

http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2932



Camp fodder!

singersp
06-04-2009, 09:27 PM
Johnson was running step-for-step with a defensive back down the middle of the field. The pass was thrown high and deep, and as soon as Johnson spotted the ball in the air, he turned on what seemed to be another gear and was able to catch up to the ball, run under it and haul it in as he ran into the endzone and away from the defender.

Yes, but who threw the ball?
:P

VikingsTw
06-04-2009, 11:43 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.

getyourrollon!
06-05-2009, 01:10 AM
Nice spelling on the thread title......what are we dealing with here?

VikingsTw
06-05-2009, 01:46 AM
"getyourrollon!" wrote:


Nice spelling on the thread title......what are we dealing with here?


I fixed it, for all of those who missed every word of this thread for except one missing letter... What are we dealing with? Is that a serious question? We're dealing with Jaymar, this thread is nothing short of information.

kevoncox
06-05-2009, 02:09 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 06:49 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Seriously, I hope the best 5 WR's make the team regardless, but do either of you really thing DR or JJ are gonna crack the top 5?

Here is how I currently rank them.....Holt and AA currently (IMHO) are battling for that 5th spot.

Bernard Berrian
Sidney Rice
Bobby Wade
Percy Harvin
Aundrae Allison
Glenn Holt
Jaymar Johnson
Darius Reynaud
Nick Moore
Vinny Perretta

i_bleed_purple
06-05-2009, 07:12 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Seriously, I hope the best 5 WR's make the team regardless, but do either of you really thing DR or JJ are gonna crack the top 5?


unless their name rhymes with Blurguson right?

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 07:13 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Seriously, I hope the best 5 WR's make the team regardless, but do either of you really thing DR or JJ are gonna crack the top 5?


unless their name rhymes with Blurguson right?

I must be slow today.......You lost me with that one.

i_bleed_purple
06-05-2009, 07:15 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:





Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Seriously, I hope the best 5 WR's make the team regardless, but do either of you really thing DR or JJ are gonna crack the top 5?


unless their name rhymes with Blurguson right?

I must be slow today.......You lost me with that one.

Ferguson

Marrdro
06-05-2009, 07:35 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:







Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Seriously, I hope the best 5 WR's make the team regardless, but do either of you really thing DR or JJ are gonna crack the top 5?


unless their name rhymes with Blurguson right?

I must be slow today.......You lost me with that one.

Ferguson

I gotcha.
That cat did kindof grow on me though.

VikingsTw
06-05-2009, 01:42 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.


I don't know Kevin, I think your being really biased. Before that season I had seen neither guy till I studied both of them at the same time. Jaymar was the faster player, the quicker player, in and out of his cuts, a better route runner, tremendous body control, exeleration, naturaul nack for Punt Return Ability, good hands, and then the work ethic and passion for football topped it all off. I find it hard to believe there is "nothing" to see, yet there is so much. Darius Reynaud is your guy , biased heavily, while I've admited that Reynaud is a good player, has tremendous speed and strength, Kick Return Ability, ect, You have bashed Jaymar.

He was definitly a little small last year, in my orginal post I stated I would like to see him at 185 pounds and right now he's 187 with 3% percent Boddy Fat.

I think Jaymar's tools translate to what we would look for out of him. I would really like to see him be our full time punt returner, allowing Harvin the KickOffs and what he does for the Offense. Not sure thats gonna happen but I believe that Jaymar is a versitle, Punt, kick, and probably all WR positions, due to his speed and ability to seperate.

If JJ turns out to be half of what Jerry Rice was he's developed well for a 6th Rounder.

Nothing but determination? Probably because you didn't look for it, you didn't find it. It is true everyone has determination but where is at on a scale from 1 to 10?

tastywaves
06-05-2009, 02:01 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.


I don't know Kevin, I think your being really biased. Before that season I had seen neither guy till I studied both of them at the same time. Jaymar was the faster player, the quicker player, in and out of his cuts, a better route runner, tremendous body control, exeleration, naturaul nack for Punt Return Ability, good hands, and then the work ethic and passion for football topped it all off. I find it hard to believe there is "nothing" to see, yet there is so much. Darius Reynaud is your guy , biased heavily, while I've admited that Reynaud is a good player, has tremendous speed and strength, Kick Return Ability, ect, You have bashed Jaymar.

He was definitly a little small last year, in my orginal post I stated I would like to see him at 185 pounds and right now he's 187 with 3% percent Boddy Fat.

I think Jaymar's tools translate to what we would look for out of him. I would really like to see him be our full time punt returner, allowing Harvin the KickOffs and what he does for the Offense. Not sure thats gonna happen but I believe that Jaymar is a versitle, Punt, kick, and probably all WR positions, due to his speed and ability to seperate.

If JJ turns out to be half of what Jerry Rice was he's developed well for a 6th Rounder.

Nothing but determination? Probably because you didn't look for it, you didn't find it. It is true everyone has determination but where is at on a scale from 1 to 10?


Do you believe that JJ or Darius have a good chance of displacing AA on the roster?

i_bleed_purple
06-05-2009, 02:03 PM
"tastywaves" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.


I don't know Kevin, I think your being really biased. Before that season I had seen neither guy till I studied both of them at the same time. Jaymar was the faster player, the quicker player, in and out of his cuts, a better route runner, tremendous body control, exeleration, naturaul nack for Punt Return Ability, good hands, and then the work ethic and passion for football topped it all off. I find it hard to believe there is "nothing" to see, yet there is so much. Darius Reynaud is your guy , biased heavily, while I've admited that Reynaud is a good player, has tremendous speed and strength, Kick Return Ability, ect, You have bashed Jaymar.

He was definitly a little small last year, in my orginal post I stated I would like to see him at 185 pounds and right now he's 187 with 3% percent Boddy Fat.

I think Jaymar's tools translate to what we would look for out of him. I would really like to see him be our full time punt returner, allowing Harvin the KickOffs and what he does for the Offense. Not sure thats gonna happen but I believe that Jaymar is a versitle, Punt, kick, and probably all WR positions, due to his speed and ability to seperate.

If JJ turns out to be half of what Jerry Rice was he's developed well for a 6th Rounder.

Nothing but determination? Probably because you didn't look for it, you didn't find it. It is true everyone has determination but where is at on a scale from 1 to 10?


Do you believe that JJ or Darius have a good chance of displacing AA on the roster?


JJ? maybe, JR, no.
AA doesn't seem to be getting much love from the coaching staff, and ultimately, thats who make the decisions at the end of the day.
He was taken off kick return, wasn't given many throws, I think his days in purple might be numbered.

VikingsTw
06-05-2009, 02:05 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Seriously, I hope the best 5 WR's make the team regardless, but do either of you really thing DR or JJ are gonna crack the top 5?

Here is how I currently rank them.....Holt and AA currently (IMHO) are battling for that 5th spot.

Bernard Berrian
Sidney Rice
Bobby Wade
Percy Harvin
Aundrae Allison
Glenn Holt
Jaymar Johnson
Darius Reynaud
Nick Moore
Vinny Perretta



It's tuff to say I would really like to see Jaymar make the squad because he's one of my favorite players on the team, plus I think he can provide production on different levels.

When I look a Aundre Allison, I see a guy who has done some good things, but IMO he has never shown real serious potentail that makes you just want to keep the guy. I'm not the biggest fan of his thought process, I just think Jaymar Johnson will be the better Pro Athlete. Jaymar is more mature, he's married, a good relationship, he works his @ss off, lives close to the facility, has never left, ect. I don't know that I ever seen that dedication from Aundre Allison and he's not a very good Kick Returner or Punt Returner on a consistent basis. What would also be intristing to know is how well each individual has disected and learned the playbook. Thats big right there, I have a good feeling about Jaymar.

Holt is an intristing guy to gauge because he's coming into a completly new enviroment with new teamates, and a entirely different offense to learn and try to make the team. Where as Jaymar has been hear, Holt's NFL Experience might be enough.

Reynaud's in the picture too but with Harvin coming in it kind of overshadows what Reynaud brings to team, his skill set so to speak. Not sure how much a WR Reynaud is, I think Jaymar is much more of a complete WR and valuable on Returns.

Personally I'm pulling for Jaymar because I think he's a tremendous player from a small school college. I think he's natural football player and I beleive it would be a mistake to cut him.

VikingsTw
06-05-2009, 02:07 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:





Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.


I don't know Kevin, I think your being really biased. Before that season I had seen neither guy till I studied both of them at the same time. Jaymar was the faster player, the quicker player, in and out of his cuts, a better route runner, tremendous body control, exeleration, naturaul nack for Punt Return Ability, good hands, and then the work ethic and passion for football topped it all off. I find it hard to believe there is "nothing" to see, yet there is so much. Darius Reynaud is your guy , biased heavily, while I've admited that Reynaud is a good player, has tremendous speed and strength, Kick Return Ability, ect, You have bashed Jaymar.

He was definitly a little small last year, in my orginal post I stated I would like to see him at 185 pounds and right now he's 187 with 3% percent Boddy Fat.

I think Jaymar's tools translate to what we would look for out of him. I would really like to see him be our full time punt returner, allowing Harvin the KickOffs and what he does for the Offense. Not sure thats gonna happen but I believe that Jaymar is a versitle, Punt, kick, and probably all WR positions, due to his speed and ability to seperate.

If JJ turns out to be half of what Jerry Rice was he's developed well for a 6th Rounder.

Nothing but determination? Probably because you didn't look for it, you didn't find it. It is true everyone has determination but where is at on a scale from 1 to 10?


Do you believe that JJ or Darius have a good chance of displacing AA on the roster?


JJ? maybe, JR, no.
AA doesn't seem to be getting much love from the coaching staff, and ultimately, thats who make the decisions at the end of the day.
He was taken off kick return, wasn't given many throws, I think his days in purple might be numbered.


Basically what he said... and I just happened to touch on that subject in an above post.

Braddock
06-05-2009, 02:19 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Seriously, I hope the best 5 WR's make the team regardless, but do either of you really thing DR or JJ are gonna crack the top 5?

Here is how I currently rank them.....Holt and AA currently (IMHO) are battling for that 5th spot.

Bernard Berrian
Sidney Rice
Bobby Wade
Percy Harvin
Aundrae Allison
Glenn Holt
Jaymar Johnson
Darius Reynaud
Nick Moore
Vinny Perretta



It's tuff to say I would really like to see Jaymar make the squad because he's one of my favorite players on the team, plus I think he can provide production on different levels.

When I look a Aundre Allison, I see a guy who has done some good things, but IMO he has never shown real serious potentail that makes you just want to keep the guy. I'm not the biggest fan of his thought process, I just think Jaymar Johnson will be the better Pro Athlete. Jaymar is more mature, he's married, a good relationship, he works his @ss off, lives close to the facility, has never left, ect. I don't know that I ever seen that dedication from Aundre Allison and he's not a very good Kick Returner or Punt Returner on a consistent basis. What would also be intristing to know is how well each individual has disected and learned the playbook. Thats big right there, I have a good feeling about Jaymar.

Holt is an intristing guy to gauge because he's coming into a completly new enviroment with new teamates, and a entirely different offense to learn and try to make the team. Where as Jaymar has been hear, Holt's NFL Experience might be enough.

Reynaud's in the picture too but with Harvin coming in it kind of overshadows what Reynaud brings to team, his skill set so to speak. Not sure how much a WR Reynaud is, I think Jaymar is much more of a complete WR and valuable on Returns.

Personally I'm pulling for Jaymar because I think he's a tremendous player from a small school college. I think he's natural football player and I beleive it would be a mistake to cut him.




Oh Thank God. He's our ticket to the SuperBowl. His marriage will single handly put 1000 points up on the board. And the fact that it's a sturdy marriage, that's a bonus 1000.....

Come on. Marriage has no bearing on Pro Sports success.

gamecocksbaseball31
06-05-2009, 02:28 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

JJ was placed on the practice squad.
Martin Nance wasn't eligible for the practice squad anymore, so if he wasn't on the game-day roster, he would become a free agent.
Therefore, JJ was kept.

gamecocksbaseball31
06-05-2009, 02:32 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:



Camp fodder!


We'll see what happens, I never understood the Biased Hate you have for Jaymar Johnson, I understand that your boy Darius Reynaud is a good player but so is Jaymar Johnson. I like both guys but always believed that Johnson had a higher ceiling than Reynaud as a WR and Punt Returner. I think right now, depending on how well he's did with the book and understanding the offense, he'll be right in the competition and I think he will be tough to beat out.

With that said Jaymar Johnson was the "one" guy along with Ian Johnson that I wanted to get a look at. So far Johnson has displayed what I had believed to be extreme work ethic. He "WANTS" it so you gotta like that. It's very similair to John Sullivan.


i've seen nothing in the kid and he was proclaimed to be the best thing since slice pread. At a paltry 167 lbs, it wold seem that I was right last year that he should have been let go( I believed Nance to be better).
I think Reynaud has a higher celing. Beleive it or not, he is a poor mans Harvin. Built like a Rb, exceptional change of direction skils. Plays for him were your typical reverses, buble screen etc. With harvin on the roster Reynaud may be gone :'(

If JJ turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, i wil gladly eat crow because he will be doing it on my team. However, to me, I ahven't seen anything but determination. alot of guys have that.

Seriously, I hope the best 5 WR's make the team regardless, but do either of you really thing DR or JJ are gonna crack the top 5?

Here is how I currently rank them.....Holt and AA currently (IMHO) are battling for that 5th spot.

Bernard Berrian
Sidney Rice
Bobby Wade
Percy Harvin
Aundrae Allison
Glenn Holt
Jaymar Johnson
Darius Reynaud
Nick Moore
Vinny Perretta


These four guys have a roster spot already wrapped up.
BB
Bobby Wade
Sidney Rice
Percy Harvin

Then the question is do we keep 5 WR's or 6?
I believe there will be a few guys battling for the 5 and 6.
Aundrae Allison
Glenn Holt
Jaymar Johnson
Vinny Perretta

I think Vinny Perretta is definitely going to end up on the P.S. if someone else doesn't pick him up.
With the talks of the next Wes Welker, it would be pretty evident that we should keep him.
But he has to live up to those expectations and those are big shoes to fill for the kid.

delviking
06-05-2009, 02:59 PM
i think they use AA one more season but the main knock on him is he pushes off to get away and the ref's have caught him some many time he caught 10 passes last year add about 4-6 that were called back for O-pass interferance 3-4 were first down receptions that ended up being 3rd and long.
then we hand off to AD and boom here come Kluwe.

VikingsTw
06-05-2009, 03:06 PM
"Braddock" wrote:




Oh Thank God. He's our ticket to the SuperBowl. His marriage will single handly put 1000 points up on the board. And the fact that it's a sturdy marriage, that's a bonus 1000.....

Come on. Marriage has no bearing on Pro Sports success.


Really poor interpretation unless this is meant to be humerous joke. His "marriage" and "good relationship" all factor into everying I know "Jaymar Johnson". Jaymar has his mind right so to speak, he's on a correct path, he has things in his life that make him happy, he really loves football and he's creating his dream with "drive". Everything I know "Jaymar Johnson" gives me an overall idea of what I believe his sucess will be, believe it or not his Marriage and how he handles his marriage, what kind is it? ect, will always be a factor to the "overall". Aundre Allison seems a little more off balance IMHO... he likes to come on air and talk about Porno and Crack Cocaine Documentaries... Make your pick? Who's mind is right? Who do you want on your football team?

In no way was that comment ever meant to perpetuate the sell of tickes or SB rings... sounds like quite an illusion. People have to take responsibility for these illusions as there "own" opinion, not "what is" as described in the first paragraph.

VikingsTw
06-06-2009, 01:28 PM
Johnson ready for bigger role
June 6th, 2009 – 9:05 AM by Chip Scoggins

I had a chance to talk to wide receiver Jaymar Johnson at the Vikings playground build on Friday. The second-year player talked about his weight gain, Brad Childress’ praise for his performance this offseason, his goals for this season and what it was like spending a year on the practice squad.

http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2938

V4L
06-06-2009, 01:32 PM
I don't see him crackin the roster with all the WRs we have

But I do like how he added weight and is working really hard to keep a job in the NFL

Hope we
can atleast keep him on the practice squad

VikingsTw
06-06-2009, 01:56 PM
Bring It. We're coming and if Aundre Allison is still on the roster it will have been a big mistake IMO. I stutdied this kid to much, he's on another level even from Bobby Wade. The problem is he's a young guy and he's only in his 2nd Season. Right now I think he's doin all the things he needs to do to make this team. IMO he won't get cut. I said last year I thought he was our best punt returner on the team and now that he's stronger and faster (as I expected), I believe it even more now. Granted Berrian is good returner, this guy is on another level and he believes it, so lets see what happens in Pre Season.

Right now the guys battling with Jaymar are Allison and Holt. Those rookie kids don't have much of a chance with where Jaymar is at with the playbook and 1 year introduction, more likely practice squad opportunities. Allison is a decent player but he is in no way on the level of return abilites that Johnson has. I would also be willing to bet that he's a much better WR once we get to see him. Holt is a hard guy to understand, IMO it didn't seem we needed him but he does create competition, I'm not sure he has much of a chance to make this team when we got guys like Asher Allen and Percy Harvin handling kickoffs, even Jaymar Johnson could do those.

There are great camp battles all over the roster this year, It's gotta make one exited for the overall team. I could never cut Jaymar Johnson he has too much heart, too much talent, and too much "drive". This kid could be pivital to the WR Corps when guys like Wade are gone. He's versitle also, your going to see him be able to play almost any WR position if he continues to get stronger, all while Punt and Kick Return Abilities. What he really likes is Punt Returner. Percy Harvin's weakness if any is getting that going, he's a much better kick returner. So Jaymar IMO could make an impact this year. I wouldn't hesitate to put him on the field though, he's dangerous, I wanted the team to pull him off the Practice Squad vs the Eagles, I new we would need explosive plays downfield.

Garland Greene
06-06-2009, 02:01 PM
Maybe we should dig up this thread a year ago from now again and have the same dumb argument over a reserve player that is what the 5th? 6th? 7th?
WR on this team?

Yfz01
06-06-2009, 02:05 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Bring It. We're coming and if Aundre Allison is still on the roster it will have been a big mistake IMO. I stutdied this kid to much, he's on another level even from Bobby Wade. The problem is he's a young guy and he's only in his 2nd Season. Right now I think he's doin all the things he needs to do to make this team. IMO he won't get cut. I said last year I thought he was our best punt returner on the team and now that he's stronger and faster (as I expected), I believe it even more now. Granted Berrian is good returner, this guy is on another level and he believes it, so lets see what happens in Pre Season.

Right now the guys battling with Jaymar are Allison and Holt. Those rookie kids don't have much of a chance with where Jaymar is at with the playbook and 1 year introduction, more likely practice squad opportunities. Allison is a decent player but he is in no way on the level of return abilites that Johnson has. I would also be willing to bet that he's a much better WR once we get to see him. Holt is a hard guy to understand, IMO it didn't seem we needed him but he does create competition, I'm not sure he has much of a chance to make this team when we got guys like Asher Allen and Percy Harvin handling kickoffs, even Jaymar Johnson could do those.

There are great camp battles all over the roster this year, It's gotta make one exited for the overall team. I could never cut Jaymar Johnson he has too much heart, too much talent, and too much "drive". This kid could be pivital to the WR Corps when guys like Wade are gone. He's versitle also, your going to see him be able to play almost any WR position if he continues to get stronger, all while Punt and Kick Return Abilities. What he really likes is Punt Returner. Percy Harvin's weakness if any is getting that going, he's a much better kick returner. So Jaymar IMO could make an impact this year. I wouldn't hesitate to put him on the field though, he's dangerous, I wanted the team to pull him off the Practice Squad vs the Eagles, I new we would need explosive plays downfield.


I agree - especially the punt returning aspect.


The problem is... Bobby Wade - He has been our most productive WR over the last few years but I do not believe he adds anything to the special teams unit.
I see the first 3 WR's being Bernard Berrian, Sidney Rice, and Percy Harvin. That leaves Bobby Wade as the #4 WR at best.
I think Reynaud makes this team and I would like Jaymar Johnson to make this team.
I wonder if Bobby Wade might be cut.
The other guys have too much potential to let go to waste.

VikingsTw
06-06-2009, 02:10 PM
"Garland" wrote:


Maybe we should dig up this thread a year ago from now again and have the same dumb argument over a reserve player that is what the 5th? 6th? 7th?
WR on this team?


I wouldn't give Jaymar a set #, I just think he's a football player and as a fan thats what I like on my team. Guys with mad heart, passion for the game, great work ethic and "want". It usually creates a good football player, if he's returning Punts for TD's next year you might have a different outlook. It wouldn't be the first time a player has gone from Practice Squad Roster too Field Performer.

I also think its resonable to debate who the WR's are going to be? I mean why not right, it is a football message board?

SharperImage
06-06-2009, 02:15 PM
1. Bernard Berrian

2. Sidney Rice

3. Percy Harvin

4. Bobby Wade

5. Jaymar Johnson/Glenn Holt/Darius Reynaud/Aundre Allison.

I still believe Allison is the most talented out of all of them. If allison had the work ethic, he could be a solid number 2 receiver. I dont see us carrying more than 5 WRs so good luck to those guys.

VikingsTw
06-06-2009, 04:18 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


I agree - especially the punt returning aspect.


The problem is... Bobby Wade - He has been our most productive WR over the last few years but I do not believe he adds anything to the special teams unit.
I see the first 3 WR's being Bernard Berrian, Sidney Rice, and Percy Harvin. That leaves Bobby Wade as the #4 WR at best.
I think Reynaud makes this team and I would like Jaymar Johnson to make this team.
I wonder if Bobby Wade might be cut.
The other guys have too much potential to let go to waste.




Yeah I agrea with most all of that, Bobby Wade is a good player, he's gotten the majority of the work becaue he's been here the longest, with Harvin coming in his reps will get cut way back. I doubt he would get cut from the team but you have to start thinking long term when you have your top 3 WR's in place. Wade's ceiling is what it is and he's not much of a returner for specail teams use. If guys like Allison, Reynaud and Jaymar are making great strides I think there Potentail is Higher like you said, especailly Reynaud in a specific role and Jaymar IMO. It's great competition and it will intristing to see which players are on what units.

I think one of biggest factors going into the competition is how well the guys are learning the playbook, how well they are playing in the system, are doing things the way the coach wants them done? That is something they always remind Allison of, we'll see how Jaymar transistions into his 2nd Season.

PurpleTide
06-06-2009, 05:23 PM
Bobby Wade had better bring his A game to camp. Altho' a solid guy he is getting a little older, has a higher cap hit, and has played his best ball. These young guys coming in have a higher ceiling, are faster, and aren't hitting the cap space as hard. Anyway you slice it, some good ball players are not going to make this roster, and my surprise cut is Bobby Wade. Youth is the future of the team, and you can't let young talented guys that you have spent time developing go.

VikingsTw
06-06-2009, 05:57 PM
I wouldn't loose any sleep if Bobby got the cut, I think Reynaud is a tremendous player too, I want to keep all of them, ha.

snowinapril
06-06-2009, 06:31 PM
This comment is a little late but....

If Jaymar was a No 7 overall pick, I am sure he would have had a chance to play more also.
With more playing time, he might have exceeded TW but that is not saying much LOL!

Still can't believe we took him at No 7.
LOL! Would he have been available in the second round?
Was he on any other teams board, not that any other team would admit that now.

Hindsight does wonders!

singersp
06-06-2009, 07:15 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


This comment is a little late but....

If Jaymar was a No 7 overall pick, I am sure he would have had a chance to play more also.
With more playing time, he might have exceeded TW but that is not saying much LOL!

Still can't believe we took him at No 7.
LOL! Would he have been available in the second round?
Was he on any other teams board, not that any other team would admit that now.

Hindsight does wonders!


Then again, didn't many Vikings fans want us to take Mike Williams instead of Troy Williamson?

Not that many of them would admit that now.

Garland Greene
06-06-2009, 07:34 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Garland" wrote:


Maybe we should dig up this thread a year ago from now again and have the same dumb argument over a reserve player that is what the 5th? 6th? 7th?
WR on this team?


I wouldn't give Jaymar a set #, I just think he's a football player and as a fan thats what I like on my team. Guys with mad heart, passion for the game, great work ethic and "want". It usually creates a good football player, if he's returning Punts for TD's next year you might have a different outlook. It wouldn't be the first time a player has gone from Practice Squad Roster too Field Performer.

I also think its resonable to debate who the WR's are going to be? I mean why not right, it is a football message board?




just wondering why a thread that was from over a year ago compairing a player vs a player that was long gone from this team was even brought up again to have the same argument that is at this point is completely worthless. Why not just start a new thread? Last years points and arguments
proved what? The guy sat on the practice squad. Is he going to be a decent player?
maybe. Yes there are alot of guys with heart and passion, there are many articles about those guys that are currently on the team that will not be come the start of the season.


As far as giving him a set number can you honestly say that he is better than #5 at best? I am sure you will, but he sure as hell can't be listed as #1, 2 or 3 right now on this team.

as far as Wade goes our WR corp would take a huge hit if he got cut. He was by far the most consistant and productive QWR on the team last year, and did what needed to be done. Is he a stud WR? No not by any means but you also don't just cut players that produce for you, even if they don't put up the great numbers, players doing what they can do on the filed especially in a position that is considered weak don't just get cut unless they stop producing, so far Wade has not done that.

Garland Greene
06-06-2009, 07:39 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


This comment is a little late but....

If Jaymar was a No 7 overall pick, I am sure he would have had a chance to play more also.
With more playing time, he might have exceeded TW but that is not saying much LOL!

Still can't believe we took him at No 7.
LOL! Would he have been available in the second round?
Was he on any other teams board, not that any other team would admit that now.

Hindsight does wonders!


Then again, didn't many Vikings fans want us to take Mike Williams instead of Troy Williamson?

Not that many of them would admit that now.



Many people were also expecting Williamson to equal Randy Moss. So I think the expectations were what messed with his head and effected what bit of talent he did have. Even if he had a semi decent year he would of never of been able to live up to thsoe expectations. Many fans are also expected
Randy Moss now with Harvin. To much of that "lightning in a bottle" like Moss did when he was here his rookie year.

VikingsTw
06-06-2009, 11:12 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Garland" wrote:


Maybe we should dig up this thread a year ago from now again and have the same dumb argument over a reserve player that is what the 5th? 6th? 7th?
WR on this team?


I wouldn't give Jaymar a set #, I just think he's a football player and as a fan thats what I like on my team. Guys with mad heart, passion for the game, great work ethic and "want". It usually creates a good football player, if he's returning Punts for TD's next year you might have a different outlook. It wouldn't be the first time a player has gone from Practice Squad Roster too Field Performer.

I also think its resonable to debate who the WR's are going to be? I mean why not right, it is a football message board?




just wondering why a thread that was from over a year ago compairing a player vs a player that was long gone from this team was even brought up again to have the same argument that is at this point is completely worthless. Why not just start a new thread? Last years points and arguments
proved what? The guy sat on the practice squad. Is he going to be a decent player?
maybe. Yes there are alot of guys with heart and passion, there are many articles about those guys that are currently on the team that will not be come the start of the season.


As far as giving him a set number can you honestly say that he is better than #5 at best? I am sure you will, but he sure as hell can't be listed as #1, 2 or 3 right now on this team.

as far as Wade goes our WR corp would take a huge hit if he got cut. He was by far the most consistant and productive QWR on the team last year, and did what needed to be done. Is he a stud WR? No not by any means but you also don't just cut players that produce for you, even if they don't put up the great numbers, players doing what they can do on the filed especially in a position that is considered weak don't just get cut unless they stop producing, so far Wade has not done that.


It compared them but for a brief portion of the overall thread Subject and they are linked from the Moss Trade. When I made the thread it was meant to be a Jaymar Johnson Thread and is. So when there was new information to add to the thread I pulled up the one I created last year. Isn't that what we are supposed to do in the first place instead of duplicating threads on one subject? Plus if there is anything one wants to know about Jaymar it can be can found in here but it not in a new Thread. I can't figure out the problem, or is there one? Plus his aritcles are posted in other threads already, so every is getting their chances to the information.

Yeah I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions, especailly if I believed that Jaymar Johnson, Reynad and Allsion were going to be good players. All three of those guys have more "physical potentail", but is their mental game on Bobby's Level? I never said Cut Bobby Wade... "if" we did cut Bobby Wade that means we're only getting better at WR... I wouldn't loose sleep over that.

gamecocksbaseball31
06-07-2009, 02:02 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


This comment is a little late but....

If Jaymar was a No 7 overall pick, I am sure he would have had a chance to play more also.
With more playing time, he might have exceeded TW but that is not saying much LOL!

Still can't believe we took him at No 7.
LOL! Would he have been available in the second round?
Was he on any other teams board, not that any other team would admit that now.

Hindsight does wonders!


Then again, didn't many Vikings fans want us to take Mike Williams instead of Troy Williamson?

Not that many of them would admit that now.

I will admit that I wanted us to take Mike Williams instead of Troy Williamson.
Would it have worked out for us?
Who knows.
But it couldn't have been worse.
I think in the right situation Mike Williams could have thrived.
He may have just ended up in a bad situation.

Purple Floyd
06-07-2009, 08:27 AM
My god, some threads never die.

His best bet is the AFL

Garland Greene
06-07-2009, 09:59 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:



It compared them but for a brief portion of the overall thread Subject and they are linked from the Moss Trade. When I made the thread it was meant to be a Jaymar Johnson Thread and is. So when there was new information to add to the thread I pulled up the one I created last year. Isn't that what we are supposed to do in the first place instead of duplicating threads on one subject?



I will remember that next time you start a new thread instead of contributing to the one already existing because you thought it had "new information" or it takes a "different spin". Much like this one.
But I guess that only matters if you start the thread. ::).

I am not going to get into it further, because I don't want to get into a bigger discussion and I am done with it just wanted to point that fact out, since it was brought up before. When you have started multiple threads instead of just contributing to the already existing one.

Peace

VikingsTw
06-07-2009, 02:51 PM
LoL... I contribute to all kinds of threads, but this is by the far the best "Jaymar Johnson" thread on the entire Internet and this thread will never die as long as I have information on Jaymar Johnson as a Viking. It's unfortunate you don't appriciate the thread for what it is, but again we don't really have anyone who's a bigger fan of JJ then me. Most people think he's the regular camp cut, but not me, I think he's a football player that belongs in the NFL.

Garland Greene, your problem or what you are making of it, makes little to no sense to me at all. It's very rare that I start a topic on a subject that is already created, "unless" i think there is tremendous reason for it to be the main #1 Post of the Topic, again very very rare and when it does happen It doesn't get locked.

Garland Greene
06-07-2009, 05:08 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


LoL... I contribute to all kinds of threads, but this is by the far the best "Jaymar Johnson" thread on the entire Internet and this thread will never die as long as I have information on Jaymar Johnson as a Viking. It's unfortunate you don't appriciate the thread for what it is, but again we don't really have anyone who's a bigger fan of JJ then me. Most people think he's the regular camp cut, but not me, I think he's a football player that belongs in the NFL.

Garland Greene, your problem or what you are making of it, makes little to no sense to me at all. It's very rare that I start a topic on a subject that is already created, "unless" i think there is tremendous reason for it to be the main #1 Post of the Topic, again very very rare and when it does happen It doesn't get locked.


I am to lazy to go back and look but I we both know there is way more than one occasion, and not rare You know exactly what I am talking about. But play dumb, whatever.

Just be sure that I will
point out when you contradict yourself again.

VikingsTw
06-07-2009, 05:28 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


LoL... I contribute to all kinds of threads, but this is by the far the best "Jaymar Johnson" thread on the entire Internet and this thread will never die as long as I have information on Jaymar Johnson as a Viking. It's unfortunate you don't appriciate the thread for what it is, but again we don't really have anyone who's a bigger fan of JJ then me. Most people think he's the regular camp cut, but not me, I think he's a football player that belongs in the NFL.

Garland Greene, your problem or what you are making of it, makes little to no sense to me at all. It's very rare that I start a topic on a subject that is already created, "unless" i think there is tremendous reason for it to be the main #1 Post of the Topic, again very very rare and when it does happen It doesn't get locked.


I am to lazy to go back and look but I we both know there is way more than one occasion, and not rare You know exactly what I am talking about. But play dumb, whatever.

Just be sure that I will
point out when you contradict yourself again.


Sure buddy your lazy... The thing is that I very rarely create a thread to begin with and out of those maybe a couple have been duplicates to the same subject. As I said before there was proabably a reason for it. I definitly don't think there is a reason for this conversation, rather a created problem where it really doesn't exist. I'm not a post whore, I don't thread whore, ect. It's so small its so nit pick, its unreal.

Garland Greene
06-07-2009, 05:38 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


LoL... I contribute to all kinds of threads, but this is by the far the best "Jaymar Johnson" thread on the entire Internet and this thread will never die as long as I have information on Jaymar Johnson as a Viking. It's unfortunate you don't appriciate the thread for what it is, but again we don't really have anyone who's a bigger fan of JJ then me. Most people think he's the regular camp cut, but not me, I think he's a football player that belongs in the NFL.

Garland Greene, your problem or what you are making of it, makes little to no sense to me at all. It's very rare that I start a topic on a subject that is already created, "unless" i think there is tremendous reason for it to be the main #1 Post of the Topic, again very very rare and when it does happen It doesn't get locked.


I am to lazy to go back and look but I we both know there is way more than one occasion, and not rare You know exactly what I am talking about. But play dumb, whatever.

Just be sure that I will
point out when you contradict yourself again.


Sure buddy your lazy... The thing is that I very rarely create a thread to begin with and out of those maybe a couple have been duplicates to the same subject. As I said before there was proabably a reason for it. I definitly don't think there is a reason for this conversation, rather a created problem where it really doesn't exist. I'm not a post whore, I don't thread whore, ect. It's so small its so nit pick, its unreal.


Same player about the draft and his experience

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=51612.0

I guess starting a thread and just showing a video of a player that you want that was listed in multiple other threads was worth starting its own one.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=51612.0


Well considering I found 2 in less than 5 minutes I guess that answers your question, but again whatever.

Again you know exacty what I am talking about but again play dumb. But again I am done with it. As I wil wait for your denial to not know anything that I am talking about.

VikingsTw
06-07-2009, 05:51 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


LoL... I contribute to all kinds of threads, but this is by the far the best "Jaymar Johnson" thread on the entire Internet and this thread will never die as long as I have information on Jaymar Johnson as a Viking. It's unfortunate you don't appriciate the thread for what it is, but again we don't really have anyone who's a bigger fan of JJ then me. Most people think he's the regular camp cut, but not me, I think he's a football player that belongs in the NFL.

Garland Greene, your problem or what you are making of it, makes little to no sense to me at all. It's very rare that I start a topic on a subject that is already created, "unless" i think there is tremendous reason for it to be the main #1 Post of the Topic, again very very rare and when it does happen It doesn't get locked.


I am to lazy to go back and look but I we both know there is way more than one occasion, and not rare You know exactly what I am talking about. But play dumb, whatever.

Just be sure that I will
point out when you contradict yourself again.


Sure buddy your lazy... The thing is that I very rarely create a thread to begin with and out of those maybe a couple have been duplicates to the same subject. As I said before there was proabably a reason for it. I definitly don't think there is a reason for this conversation, rather a created problem where it really doesn't exist. I'm not a post whore, I don't thread whore, ect. It's so small its so nit pick, its unreal.


Same player about the draft and his experience

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=51612.0

I guess starting a thread and just showing a video of a player that you want that was listed in multiple other threads was worth starting its own one.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=51612.0


Well considering I found 2 in less than 5 minutes I guess that answers your question, but again whatever.

Again you know exacty what I am talking about but again play dumb. But again I am done with it. As I wil wait for your denial to not know anything that I am talking about.


Oh wow, so you got two links that are identicle... Impressive, I can describe the reason and when I made that thread. I believe it was the night before the draft, I had spent some time contiplating Percy Harvin Vs Hakeem Nicks, at the time I was nieve to the truth about Harvin's character so I was very intristed in Hakeem Nicks. Hakeem Nicks was my final choice that night and I had some Beers.

If I offended anyone by making more than one thread about a subject I ask you to let it slide... I never meant to hurt anyone or cause any kind of problems and thats the truth.

Maybe it is true I have more duplicate threads than imagined, you might be right but I still think its very minimal and not quite the "problem" it's manifested into.

Purple Floyd
06-07-2009, 06:11 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


At the time I was nieve




+1

Finally we have something that both of us agree on.

Garland Greene
06-07-2009, 06:15 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


LoL... I contribute to all kinds of threads, but this is by the far the best "Jaymar Johnson" thread on the entire Internet and this thread will never die as long as I have information on Jaymar Johnson as a Viking. It's unfortunate you don't appriciate the thread for what it is, but again we don't really have anyone who's a bigger fan of JJ then me. Most people think he's the regular camp cut, but not me, I think he's a football player that belongs in the NFL.

Garland Greene, your problem or what you are making of it, makes little to no sense to me at all. It's very rare that I start a topic on a subject that is already created, "unless" i think there is tremendous reason for it to be the main #1 Post of the Topic, again very very rare and when it does happen It doesn't get locked.


I am to lazy to go back and look but I we both know there is way more than one occasion, and not rare You know exactly what I am talking about. But play dumb, whatever.

Just be sure that I will
point out when you contradict yourself again.


Sure buddy your lazy... The thing is that I very rarely create a thread to begin with and out of those maybe a couple have been duplicates to the same subject. As I said before there was proabably a reason for it. I definitly don't think there is a reason for this conversation, rather a created problem where it really doesn't exist. I'm not a post whore, I don't thread whore, ect. It's so small its so nit pick, its unreal.


Same player about the draft and his experience

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=51612.0

I guess starting a thread and just showing a video of a player that you want that was listed in multiple other threads was worth starting its own one.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=51612.0


Well considering I found 2 in less than 5 minutes I guess that answers your question, but again whatever.

Again you know exacty what I am talking about but again play dumb. But again I am done with it. As I wil wait for your denial to not know anything that I am talking about.


Oh wow, so you got two links that are identicle... Impressive, I can describe the reason and when I made that thread. I believe it was the night before the draft, I had spent some time contiplating Percy Harvin Vs Hakeem Nicks, at the time I was nieve to the truth about Harvin's character so I was very intristed in Hakeem Nicks. Hakeem Nicks was my final choice that night.

If I offended anyone by making more than one thread about a subject I ask you to let it slide... I never meant to hurt anyone or cause any kind of problems and thats the truth.

Maybe it is true I have more duplicate threads than imagined, you might be right but I still think its very minimal and not quite the "problem" it's manifested into.


Not offended, not hurt not anything except confused.

You have gone out of the way in the past
to point out how you should start a new
thread because it was different because it had a different take and then you are so quick to point out that this thread, while different and with different takes deserve to be in the same thread. Was just asking why?

All I said was that maybe we should bring up this thread a year from now and have the same argument, about a player that will be a reserve at best.
And considering there were already threads talking about different players progress, Wr depth ect with the same articles
and arguments you brought this thread up from the dead. Maybe just saying hey I said that a year ago, here is some info on him. and posted the link people could of made their won choice, but that is your prerogative.
As far as my comments go I am standing by them, and this thread has already turned more negative than it needs to be.



Peace out

GG

VikingsTw
06-07-2009, 07:17 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Garland" wrote:




LoL... I contribute to all kinds of threads, but this is by the far the best "Jaymar Johnson" thread on the entire Internet and this thread will never die as long as I have information on Jaymar Johnson as a Viking. It's unfortunate you don't appriciate the thread for what it is, but again we don't really have anyone who's a bigger fan of JJ then me. Most people think he's the regular camp cut, but not me, I think he's a football player that belongs in the NFL.

Garland Greene, your problem or what you are making of it, makes little to no sense to me at all. It's very rare that I start a topic on a subject that is already created, "unless" i think there is tremendous reason for it to be the main #1 Post of the Topic, again very very rare and when it does happen It doesn't get locked.


I am to lazy to go back and look but I we both know there is way more than one occasion, and not rare You know exactly what I am talking about. But play dumb, whatever.

Just be sure that I will
point out when you contradict yourself again.


Sure buddy your lazy... The thing is that I very rarely create a thread to begin with and out of those maybe a couple have been duplicates to the same subject. As I said before there was proabably a reason for it. I definitly don't think there is a reason for this conversation, rather a created problem where it really doesn't exist. I'm not a post whore, I don't thread whore, ect. It's so small its so nit pick, its unreal.


Same player about the draft and his experience

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=51612.0

I guess starting a thread and just showing a video of a player that you want that was listed in multiple other threads was worth starting its own one.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=51612.0


Well considering I found 2 in less than 5 minutes I guess that answers your question, but again whatever.

Again you know exacty what I am talking about but again play dumb. But again I am done with it. As I wil wait for your denial to not know anything that I am talking about.


Oh wow, so you got two links that are identicle... Impressive, I can describe the reason and when I made that thread. I believe it was the night before the draft, I had spent some time contiplating Percy Harvin Vs Hakeem Nicks, at the time I was nieve to the truth about Harvin's character so I was very intristed in Hakeem Nicks. Hakeem Nicks was my final choice that night.

If I offended anyone by making more than one thread about a subject I ask you to let it slide... I never meant to hurt anyone or cause any kind of problems and thats the truth.

Maybe it is true I have more duplicate threads than imagined, you might be right but I still think its very minimal and not quite the "problem" it's manifested into.


Not offended, not hurt not anything except confused.

You have gone out of the way in the past
to point out how you should start a new
thread because it was different because it had a different take and then you are so quick to point out that this thread, while different and with different takes deserve to be in the same thread. Was just asking why?

All I said was that maybe we should bring up this thread a year from now and have the same argument, about a player that will be a reserve at best.
And considering there were already threads talking about different players progress, Wr depth ect with the same articles
and arguments you brought this thread up from the dead. Maybe just saying hey I said that a year ago, here is some info on him. and posted the link people could of made their won choice, but that is your prerogative.
As far as my comments go I am standing by them, and this thread has already turned more negative than it needs to be.



Peace out

GG




I don't know what to tell you, I guess just stay away from the thread, I guess it don't get any simpler than that. I had Jaymar Johnson "news" to report in the best Jaymar Johnson Thread on the internet... Hand Cuff me...

VikingsTw
06-07-2009, 07:25 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


At the time I was nieve




+1

Finally we have something that both of us agree on.


So brilliant with your illusions... as if you've never been nieve about a stitation you had no concrete idea about.

To get it back on subject and out of the hands of a manipulating illusionist, being "nieve" was completly relevent to my knowledge on Percy Harvin's Character. I never got the chance to drive down and visit with him and his family, to get that feeling Childress talks about. I was a huge Harvin fan but concerned with deep internet rumors, nieve to the truth about Harvin's "real" character.

Speaking of Character, Jaymar Johnson gots it goin on.

Purple Floyd
06-07-2009, 07:31 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


At the time I was nieve




+1

Finally we have something that both of us agree on.


So brilliant with your illusions... as if you've never been nieve about a stitation you had no concrete idea about.

To get it back on subject and out of the hands of a manipulating illusionist, being "nieve" was completly relevent to my knowledge on Percy Harvin's Character. I never got the chance to drive down and visit with him and his family, to get that feeling Childress talks about. I was a huge Harvin fan but concerned with deep internet rumors, nieve to the truth about Harvin's "real" character.

Speaking of Character, Jaymar Johnson gots it goin on.


Lmao.

I thought I was on the ignore list.
;D

VikingsTw
06-07-2009, 07:33 PM
NoWay it was only a joke to get you fired up and out into the open... I would never ignore you, it's to easy... if you know what I mean.

Marrdro
06-08-2009, 07:54 AM
Boy did this thread take a turn for the worse.

Who was the old timer who joined the same time I did (and doesn't post anymore) that liked to argue all the time..........He had the Bud Grant avatar........

Not BPG but a name kindof like his....... ::)

VikingsTw
06-10-2009, 12:38 AM
"-- WR Jaymar Johnson continued to impress today and registered another highlight moment when he hauled in a long pass down the right sideline from Rosenfels during the 7-on-7 portion of practice."

6/9/2009
|
By Mike Wobschall, vikings.com

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_specialguests060909.aspx

C Mac D
06-10-2009, 01:43 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"-- WR Jaymar Johnson continued to impress today and registered another highlight moment when he hauled in a long pass down the right sideline from Rosenfels during the 7-on-7 portion of practice."

6/9/2009
|
By Mike Wobschall, vikings.com

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_specialguests060909.aspx




Rosenfels = Montana

Johnson = Rice



Let's just be honest with ourselves. It's the truth.

Yfz01
06-10-2009, 01:55 AM
"C" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"-- WR Jaymar Johnson continued to impress today and registered another highlight moment when he hauled in a long pass down the right sideline from Rosenfels during the 7-on-7 portion of practice."

6/9/2009
|
By Mike Wobschall, vikings.com

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_specialguests060909.aspx




Rosenfels = Montana

Johnson = Rice



Let's just be honest with ourselves. It's the truth.


He is not a fan of that QB in which you speak.
I think you mean T-Jack = Montana (or at least a 40 year old Brett Favre coming off of an injury)

VikingsTw
06-10-2009, 02:11 AM
I'm a fan of some of the things Rosenfels can do, but I'm not a fan of turnovers. Montana was able to harness that situation with alot more sucess.

As far as Johnson goes I can't wait to see him in action come preseason, I've always liked the guy from the time we drafted him. It's exiting to find players in later rounds who could be very good players. JJ has alot of passion and drive, he really really likes football and I apreciate that. He's giving it his all to make my football team better.

As far as Rice goes, I mean... come on. I just hope Johnson can be a good punt returner, I will say though that JJ has tremendous "natural" ability. Football is for him.

VikingsTw
06-13-2009, 02:18 AM
Vikings receiver Johnson finds his motivation
By CHIP SCOGGINS, Star Tribune
Last update: June 12, 2009 - 10:19 PM

"Jaymar has got an unbelievable asset in that he's very, very fast," Rosenfels said. "He's probably one of the fastest guys in this league. As a receiver when you have a lot of speed there's so many more things that you can do as far as things down the field."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/47964371.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

tastywaves
06-13-2009, 07:40 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Vikings receiver Johnson finds his motivation
By CHIP SCOGGINS, Star Tribune
Last update: June 12, 2009 - 10:19 PM

"Jaymar has got an unbelievable asset in that he's very, very fast," Rosenfels said. "He's probably one of the fastest guys in this league. As a receiver when you have a lot of speed there's so many more things that you can do as far as things down the field."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/47964371.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr




If he can show that he belongs on the final roster over AA and Holt, I only see him making our WR corps better.
Sounds like he is fighting pretty hard for that spot, might have a decent shot at it.

Marrdro
06-13-2009, 05:40 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Vikings receiver Johnson finds his motivation
By CHIP SCOGGINS, Star Tribune
Last update: June 12, 2009 - 10:19 PM

"Jaymar has got an unbelievable asset in that he's very, very fast," Rosenfels said. "He's probably one of the fastest guys in this league. As a receiver when you have a lot of speed there's so many more things that you can do as far as things down the field."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/47964371.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr



Keep working it TW.
You might even convince the coaching staff he deserves the 5th spot on the roster.
;D

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 12:14 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Vikings receiver Johnson finds his motivation
By CHIP SCOGGINS, Star Tribune
Last update: June 12, 2009 - 10:19 PM

"Jaymar has got an unbelievable asset in that he's very, very fast," Rosenfels said. "He's probably one of the fastest guys in this league. As a receiver when you have a lot of speed there's so many more things that you can do as far as things down the field."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/47964371.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr



Keep working it TW.
You might even convince the coaching staff he deserves the 5th spot on the roster.

;D


Nah man, he's going to do it himself, I beleive that. I don't like JJ just to like him, I like him because he's good and he's going to get better.

TrojanVike28
06-24-2009, 12:25 AM
Anyone can exceed Troy Williamson... However, I hope JJ can make the team, but I don't see it happening. We have too many WR's on our roster already, he may have a chance somewhere else or just let him grow on our practice squad.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 12:32 AM
It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

singersp
06-24-2009, 04:40 AM
Jaymar Johnson Exceeds Troy Williamson

???
:-\

Name









Rec
Yds


Avg
Lng
TD
Att


Yds

Avg



Lng
TD
FUM
Lost
Wroy Williamson

84
1,097
13.1
60
4
6
58
9.7
26

0


0


0
Jaymar Johnson


This player does not have any statistics...

Purple Floyd
06-24-2009, 07:37 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.
:o

C Mac D
06-24-2009, 08:52 AM
"singersp" wrote:



Jaymar Johnson Exceeds Troy Williamson

???
:-\

Name









Rec
Yds


Avg
Lng
TD
Att


Yds

Avg



Lng
TD
FUM
Lost
Wroy Williamson

84
1,097
13.1
60
4
6
58
9.7
26

0


0


0



Man... those are some shameful career numbers. 7th overall pick... sad.

Marrdro
06-24-2009, 12:23 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3

Zeus
06-24-2009, 12:30 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it

That's insane.

=Z=

V4L
06-24-2009, 12:32 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3




Gotta agree

Excellent post my man!

tastywaves
06-24-2009, 12:44 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3



Nice breakdown.
If JJ is going to make the final roster, he will need to beat out AA and Holt.
I don't see any of the other 4 losing their spots at this time.
Certainly not Bobby Wade.

I would not be terribly surprised to see Aundrae miss the cut though.
If Jaymar is looking as good as VTW says, then it will be a good test for Aundrae.
Adding Holt will also be a nice push for AA.
If AA beats them both then hopefully we will see an improved Aundrae from last year.

jmcdon00
06-24-2009, 01:13 PM
"tastywaves" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3



Nice breakdown.
If JJ is going to make the final roster, he will need to beat out AA and Holt.

I don't see any of the other 4 losing their spots at this time.
Certainly not Bobby Wade.

I would not be terribly surprised to see Aundrae miss the cut though.
If Jaymar is looking as good as VTW says, then it will be a good test for Aundrae.
Adding Holt will also be a nice push for AA.
If AA beats them both then hopefully we will see an improved Aundrae from last year.

2 years ago who would have thought we'd have this kinda depth at WR. Bobby Wade was our top reciever and now he's barely in the top 5. It's definetly a good problem to have.
Any chance they would use a RB slot for Percy, allowing an extra reciever to remain?

i_bleed_purple
06-24-2009, 01:28 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3



Nice breakdown.
If JJ is going to make the final roster, he will need to beat out AA and Holt.

I don't see any of the other 4 losing their spots at this time.
Certainly not Bobby Wade.

I would not be terribly surprised to see Aundrae miss the cut though.
If Jaymar is looking as good as VTW says, then it will be a good test for Aundrae.
Adding Holt will also be a nice push for AA.
If AA beats them both then hopefully we will see an improved Aundrae from last year.

2 years ago who would have thought we'd have this kinda depth at WR. Bobby Wade was our top reciever and now he's barely in the top 5. It's definetly a good problem to have.
Any chance they would use a RB slot for Percy, allowing an extra reciever to remain?


They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 02:14 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.

BloodyHorns82
06-24-2009, 02:16 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.


Isn't Percy smaller and weaker than Bennett was?

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 02:16 PM
"singersp" wrote:



Jaymar Johnson Exceeds Troy Williamson

???
:-\

Name









Rec
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Avg
Lng
TD
Att


Yds

Avg



Lng
TD
FUM
Lost
Wroy Williamson

84
1,097
13.1
60
4
6
58
9.7
26

0


0


0
Jaymar Johnson


This player does not have any statistics...



Come on Singer don't be an @ss. Imagine if someone selected Jaymar Johnson at #7 and gave him all the oportunities that Troy got? Different story, hopefully JJ makes the team and proves me correct. It will be tuff to get playing time, his early impact will have to come from specail teams.

BloodyHorns82
06-24-2009, 02:18 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



Jaymar Johnson Exceeds Troy Williamson

???
:-\

Name









Rec
Yds


Avg
Lng
TD
Att


Yds

Avg



Lng
TD
FUM
Lost
Wroy Williamson

84
1,097
13.1
60
4
6
58
9.7
26

0


0


0
Jaymar Johnson


This player does not have any statistics...



Come on Singer don't be an @ss. Imagine if someone selected Jaymar Johnson at #7 and gave him all the oportunities that Troy got? Different story, hopefully JJ makes the team and proves me correct. It will be tuff to get playing time, his early impact will have to come from specail teams.


Singer, would you rather have Troy Williamson on the roster or Jaymar?
That's what I thought.
JJ has a lot more potential, yes the dreaded word potential, than TWill, who we already knows sucks caques and balls.
The potential alone makes him exceed TW in my opinion.

C Mac D
06-24-2009, 02:19 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



Jaymar Johnson Exceeds Troy Williamson

???
:-\

Name









Rec
Yds


Avg
Lng
TD
Att


Yds

Avg



Lng
TD
FUM
Lost
Wroy Williamson

84
1,097
13.1
60
4
6
58
9.7
26

0


0


0
Jaymar Johnson


This player does not have any statistics...



Come on Singer don't be an @ss. Imagine if someone selected Jaymar Johnson at #7 and gave him all the oportunities that Troy got? Different story, hopefully JJ makes the team and proves me correct. It will be tuff to get playing time, his early impact will have to come from specail teams.


Pretty sure a pet rock would have done better than TW.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 02:25 PM
"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.


Isn't Percy smaller and weaker than Bennett was?



Absolutly not, especailly menatlly, you guys are underestimating Harvin. I think he did over 20 reps at 225 as a WR who is age 20. Look at this guys upper body and muscle physic and tell me he's weaker then Bennett. Maybe Bennett was few pounds bigger, but I don't agree with that assesment. Also consider the running style, Bennett didn't run people over, Harvin does. Harvin is everything but soft. I can't say with a straight face that he's weaker than Michael Bennett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin.jpg

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 02:27 PM
"C" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



Jaymar Johnson Exceeds Troy Williamson

???
:-\

Name









Rec
Yds


Avg
Lng
TD
Att


Yds

Avg



Lng
TD
FUM
Lost
Wroy Williamson

84
1,097
13.1
60
4
6
58
9.7
26

0


0


0
Jaymar Johnson


This player does not have any statistics...



Come on Singer don't be an @ss. Imagine if someone selected Jaymar Johnson at #7 and gave him all the oportunities that Troy got? Different story, hopefully JJ makes the team and proves me correct. It will be tuff to get playing time, his early impact will have to come from specail teams.


Pretty sure a pet rock would have done better than TW.


Sure... thats going to make the title of this thread "correct" rather that absurd.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 02:36 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3



I'm gonna have to disagree with that. I've always been intriged with Aundre Allison's talent, but to make that last roster spot we need a guy who can impact on specail teams. Aillison had a nice kick return his rookie year for a TD. Other than that he has been below average at both kick and punt return with all the oportunity in the world to prove himself. I also have an opinion about Allison's thought process compared to Jaymar Johnson. I like JJ much better, I think he's more focused, has more passion, more drive, he's smarter, ect. Again I'm going to bring up the point of "playbook" something Allison has struggled with, and doing things the way coaches want him to do. JJ has one year, he'll go into this camp reacting, not thinking. If he picks up the playbook well, executes how the coaches want it done, he's going to give himself a great chance. Jaymar Johnson is one of the hardest working guys on our roster, I feel his upside and potential out weigh Allison, I beleive he's a more natural football player at WR and Returner.

I don't want to make any factual statments too soon because we need to see the performance in camp and preseason but I do have a prediction. Allison needs to shine to keep his job, the competition is getting better and better every season at WR. It's nice to see where it was, and where it is now.

i_bleed_purple
06-24-2009, 02:39 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.


Isn't Percy smaller and weaker than Bennett was?



Absolutly not, especailly menatlly, you guys are underestimating Harvin. I think he did over 20 reps at 225 as a WR who is age 20. Look at this guys upper body and muscle physic and tell me he's weaker then Bennett. Maybe Bennett was few pounds bigger, but I don't agree with that assesment. Also consider the running style, Bennett didn't run people over, Harvin does. Harvin is everything but soft. I can't say with a straight face that he's weaker than Michael Bennett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin.jpg






Last I checked a strong upper body does not make you a good runningback.
Harvin did very well in COLLEGE.
he WILL NOT have the same success in the pros.
Nobody does.
Look at reggie bush, he was probably one of the best runners in all of college football, can't do it in the pros though.

btw. Bennett put up 18 reps at the combine.
Upper body strength means relatively little for runningbacks.
All your power comes from the legs.


Also, Harvin ran DB's over in COLLEGE.
from a RB spot, he'll have to frequently run over NFL LINEBACKERS, which are a bit tougher than college DB's.

If you thinkt hat Harvin is gods gift to Vikigns fans, think again.
he'll be a great addition, but people like you are going to be mighty disappointed when he only gets about 200 rush yards and 5-600 receiving ayrds and 7 TD's this season.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 02:51 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it

That's insane.

=Z=


I can understand how you feel about that. It's not that I want Bobby Wade cut... infact he is one of my favorite personalities on the team along with Ben Leber. As we move foward we need to upgrade from these players to become better, To be more explosive. I just want to get better and this is a business. As we continue to improve this team the WR corps is getting much better every year.

Wade is a solid solid player, he knows the offense, he catches the football, he gets open for the QB, he's just a savy player. He's been our most productive WR but we absolutly have to get more explosive at WR. Wade does not bring a huge impact on specail teams at all. With that said he will not get cut, but if I was the coach and I felt I had to keep 2 younger up and coming guys I'm not cutting Rice, Harvin or Berrian to do it. With all that said, I do favor JJ because of his explosive versatility and mental talent. Bobby Wade is going to be the #4 WR on the team, it will be dog fight for #5.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 02:56 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.


Isn't Percy smaller and weaker than Bennett was?



Absolutly not, especailly menatlly, you guys are underestimating Harvin. I think he did over 20 reps at 225 as a WR who is age 20. Look at this guys upper body and muscle physic and tell me he's weaker then Bennett. Maybe Bennett was few pounds bigger, but I don't agree with that assesment. Also consider the running style, Bennett didn't run people over, Harvin does. Harvin is everything but soft. I can't say with a straight face that he's weaker than Michael Bennett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin.jpg






Last I checked a strong upper body does not make you a good runningback.
Harvin did very well in COLLEGE.
he WILL NOT have the same success in the pros.
Nobody does.
Look at reggie bush, he was probably one of the best runners in all of college football, can't do it in the pros though.

btw. Bennett put up 18 reps at the combine.
Upper body strength means relatively little for runningbacks.
All your power comes from the legs.


Also, Harvin ran DB's over in COLLEGE.
from a RB spot, he'll have to frequently run over NFL LINEBACKERS, which are a bit tougher than college DB's.

If you thinkt hat Harvin is gods gift to Vikigns fans, think again.
he'll be a great addition, but people like you are going to be mighty disappointed when he only gets about 200 rush yards and 5-600 receiving ayrds and 7 TD's this season.


Yeah it's unfortunate we don't have the squatting numbers, but again I can't say it with a straight face... Percy Harvin is not weaker then Bennett.

Everyone has there expectations, my expectations for Harvin is to make us a better team with what we already got. I don't need to see Harvin break records in his rookie season, he's going to be a decoy and alot of other things. We got so many playmakers from Rice, Berrian, Shancoe, Peterson, C. Taylor, ect. So if he don't blow the top off, thats fine.

In the end Percy Harvin is one of the most explosive and best players I've ever seen in my life. He dominated the toughest conference in college football, he'll be a tremendous player for the Minnesota Vikings.

jmcdon00
06-24-2009, 03:55 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.


Isn't Percy smaller and weaker than Bennett was?



Absolutly not, especailly menatlly, you guys are underestimating Harvin. I think he did over 20 reps at 225 as a WR who is age 20. Look at this guys upper body and muscle physic and tell me he's weaker then Bennett. Maybe Bennett was few pounds bigger, but I don't agree with that assesment. Also consider the running style, Bennett didn't run people over, Harvin does. Harvin is everything but soft. I can't say with a straight face that he's weaker than Michael Bennett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin.jpg






Last I checked a strong upper body does not make you a good runningback.
Harvin did very well in COLLEGE.
he WILL NOT have the same success in the pros.
Nobody does.
Look at reggie bush, he was probably one of the best runners in all of college football, can't do it in the pros though.

btw. Bennett put up 18 reps at the combine.
Upper body strength means relatively little for runningbacks.
All your power comes from the legs.


Also, Harvin ran DB's over in COLLEGE.
from a RB spot, he'll have to frequently run over NFL LINEBACKERS, which are a bit tougher than college DB's.

If you thinkt hat Harvin is gods gift to Vikigns fans, think again.
he'll be a great addition, but people like you are going to be mighty disappointed when he only gets about 200 rush yards and 5-600 receiving ayrds and 7 TD's this season.

I think Harvin is much closer to Reggie Bush than Michael Bennett, in terms of size, style, and how he will be used in an NFL offense. Reggie Bush is a good player that any team in the NFL would love to have, even if he hasn't lived up to his draft day hype.
Harvin wont be the feature back like Bennett or Bush, but I think he will get carries. And in a limited role I think he could have much success as a runner, especially late in games after Peterson and Taylor wear down the defense.
I for one would be thrilled if Harvin finished his rookie season with 700-800 rushing + recieving yards and 7 tds, that would likely put him in the rookie of the year conversation. Many of his recieving yards could come when he lines up as the RB.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 04:01 PM
I agree, I said it before we drafted him but I would use him primarily as a WR and Returner. With Peterson and Chester there is no need to get our most explosive WR hurt. IMO we should use Harvin in some running situations but if he gets that much rushing I think we would be overusing him as a back when we already have phenominal talent.

I really want to get Harvin involved in end arounds and bubble screens, comeback routes, slants, all the WR routes. However we can the ball in his hands in the open field.

Personally I like Harvin better than Bush, I think he's tougher, more physical, quicker and probably a better runner between the tackles believe it or not. I think they are both phenominal players, I wouldn't trade Harvin for Bush though.

Yfz01
06-24-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm as big of a Michael Bennett fan as you will find and I hope he gets some playing time behind LT and Sproles (doubtful but he did well in the playoff game...)

Bennett is still probably faster then anyone on our team.
I would love for him to come here as the third running back and get sparse playing time.
I remember this screen pass that he took to the house and by the end of it nobody was within 20 yards of him.
He is also a very nice guy.

I do hope that Percy Harvin takes a RB spot (don't think it will happen...).
That would leave BB, Sid, Wade, Darius Reynaud, and hopefully Jaymar Johnson.

C Mac D
06-24-2009, 06:38 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


I'm as big of a Michael Bennett fan as you will find and I hope he gets some playing time behind LT and Sproles (doubtful but he did well in the playoff game...)

Bennett is still probably faster then anyone on our team.
I would love for him to come here as the third running back and get sparse playing time.
I remember this screen pass that he took to the house and by the end of it nobody was within 20 yards of him.
He is also a very nice guy.

I do hope that Percy Harvin takes a RB spot (don't think it will happen...).
That would leave BB, Sid, Wade, Darius Reynaud, and hopefully Jaymar Johnson on the squad.


Bennett faster than Peterson or Berrian? I highly doubt that.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 06:41 PM
Benett was faster IMO, straight line speed, he's more of a track athlete then a football player. He was going to be invited to Olympics for his speed but he played football.

Purple Floyd
06-24-2009, 06:41 PM
"C" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I'm as big of a Michael Bennett fan as you will find and I hope he gets some playing time behind LT and Sproles (doubtful but he did well in the playoff game...)

Bennett is still probably faster then anyone on our team.
I would love for him to come here as the third running back and get sparse playing time.
I remember this screen pass that he took to the house and by the end of it nobody was within 20 yards of him.
He is also a very nice guy.

I do hope that Percy Harvin takes a RB spot (don't think it will happen...).
That would leave BB, Sid, Wade, Darius Reynaud, and hopefully Jaymar Johnson on the squad.


Bennett faster than Peterson or Berrian? I highly doubt that.


I don't. He has world class speed. What he lacks is the toughness to take punishment up the middle. But for straight away speed in a sprint I would put my money on Bennett.

Purple Floyd
06-24-2009, 06:43 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.


Isn't Percy smaller and weaker than Bennett was?



Absolutly not, especailly menatlly, you guys are underestimating Harvin. I think he did over 20 reps at 225 as a WR who is age 20. Look at this guys upper body and muscle physic and tell me he's weaker then Bennett. Maybe Bennett was few pounds bigger, but I don't agree with that assesment. Also consider the running style, Bennett didn't run people over, Harvin does. Harvin is everything but soft. I can't say with a straight face that he's weaker than Michael Bennett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin.jpg






Admit it, you have absolutely no clue about Harvin's mentality.

BloodyHorns82
06-24-2009, 06:44 PM
"C" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I'm as big of a Michael Bennett fan as you will find and I hope he gets some playing time behind LT and Sproles (doubtful but he did well in the playoff game...)

Bennett is still probably faster then anyone on our team.
I would love for him to come here as the third running back and get sparse playing time.
I remember this screen pass that he took to the house and by the end of it nobody was within 20 yards of him.
He is also a very nice guy.

I do hope that Percy Harvin takes a RB spot (don't think it will happen...).
That would leave BB, Sid, Wade, Darius Reynaud, and hopefully Jaymar Johnson on the squad.


Bennett faster than Peterson or Berrian? I highly doubt that.


I'm pretty sure he has more straight line speed than both of them.


Bennett, at 207 lb (94 kg)., ran a 4.28s[1] 40 yard dash,but had a hurt hamstring, so he reran his 40yard dash at his pro day and got a record setting 4.13, and logged 13 reps of 225 lb (102 kg), and had a vertical jump of 39 1/2" at the 2001 NFL Combine. [2]

That's from Wiki...I doubt he ran a 4.13 but he was blazing fast.
Set records all over the place as a sprinter in HS and college.

From Viking Update:

But, Bennett was armed with numbers that beg a serious question. As part of his return to the team, Bennett ran 14 40-yard wind sprints. Both Bennett and Mike Tice acknowledged a 4.29 40 time in that group.


The above was in the Tice era, arguably when he was past his "prime".
I'd think fresh out of college maybe even earlier is when you'd be posting the fastest sprints, but then again I know nothing about sprinting.

Yfz01
06-24-2009, 06:47 PM
"C" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I'm as big of a Michael Bennett fan as you will find and I hope he gets some playing time behind LT and Sproles (doubtful but he did well in the playoff game...)

Bennett is still probably faster then anyone on our team.
I would love for him to come here as the third running back and get sparse playing time.
I remember this screen pass that he took to the house and by the end of it nobody was within 20 yards of him.
He is also a very nice guy.

I do hope that Percy Harvin takes a RB spot (don't think it will happen...).
That would leave BB, Sid, Wade, Darius Reynaud, and hopefully Jaymar Johnson on the squad.


Bennett faster than Peterson or Berrian? I highly doubt that.


Neither Peterson or Berrian is extremely fast... They both have good speed but not sprinters speed.
There are very few players that I think could rival Bennett and none of those are on the Vikings.
Off the top of my head I can only think of Terrence Newman, Randy Moss (maybe), Antonio Cromartie, and Chris Johnson.
Obviously I am missing a lot of people but that is a pretty elite group of sprinters.

olson_10
06-24-2009, 08:04 PM
i do remember when people were reporting that bennett had run a time that wouldve won him a medal at the olympics whichever year it was..that guy was insane fast, but had absolutely nothing else to his game..the guy got taken down by a mere finger

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 08:16 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.


Isn't Percy smaller and weaker than Bennett was?



Absolutly not, especailly menatlly, you guys are underestimating Harvin. I think he did over 20 reps at 225 as a WR who is age 20. Look at this guys upper body and muscle physic and tell me he's weaker then Bennett. Maybe Bennett was few pounds bigger, but I don't agree with that assesment. Also consider the running style, Bennett didn't run people over, Harvin does. Harvin is everything but soft. I can't say with a straight face that he's weaker than Michael Bennett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin.jpg






Admit it, you have absolutely no clue about Harvin's mentality.


I can't agree with that. I know for a fact that Harvin's mentality is to play the game with a deep passion, he loves football, he plays angry and intense. He has tremendous "mental" talent in terms of football. He's a freak athlete who's smooth on the field, he's a multi dimensional player with a set of skills that kill. I can know a few things about Harvin just by studying what I can find on the internet. Same with Jaymar Johnson, if I didn't feel really good about Jaymar Johnson "mentality" I would have never made this thread 1 year ago.

C Mac D
06-24-2009, 08:18 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I'm as big of a Michael Bennett fan as you will find and I hope he gets some playing time behind LT and Sproles (doubtful but he did well in the playoff game...)

Bennett is still probably faster then anyone on our team.
I would love for him to come here as the third running back and get sparse playing time.
I remember this screen pass that he took to the house and by the end of it nobody was within 20 yards of him.
He is also a very nice guy.

I do hope that Percy Harvin takes a RB spot (don't think it will happen...).
That would leave BB, Sid, Wade, Darius Reynaud, and hopefully Jaymar Johnson on the squad.


Bennett faster than Peterson or Berrian? I highly doubt that.


I don't. He has world class speed. What he lacks is the toughness to take punishment up the middle. But for straight away speed in a sprint I would put my money on Bennett.

Yeah, just looked it up. Bennett broke the 40 time record... wow...

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 08:26 PM
Bennett was really really fast, I remeber a few broken screens and runs he took to the house. Infact I think he has record for concecutive games with runs over 40 yards or something like that. If he had a straight gap to the end zone he was gone.

Peterson on the other hand is much better natuaral runner, natural football instincts but not as fast on a straight line.

mark
06-24-2009, 08:29 PM
Bennett faster than Peterson or Berrian? I highly doubt that.
[/quote]


Are you serious.Bennett would smoke AD.He runs in the 4.2s AD is 4.37-4.4.He is top 5 fastest guys in the league easily

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 09:00 PM
Bumb -Garland Greene's request...

Garland Greene
06-24-2009, 09:06 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Bumb -Garland Greene's request...


whats a Bumb?

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 09:11 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


Bumb -Garland Greene's request...


whats a Bumb?




Excuse me, bump. Nice to see you back... I figured you would never visit this thread again.

Yfz01
06-24-2009, 09:29 PM
"olson_10" wrote:


i do remember when people were reporting that bennett had run a time that wouldve won him a medal at the olympics whichever year it was..that guy was insane fast, but had absolutely nothing else to his game..the guy got taken down by a mere finger


I disagree.
I remember Bennett as someone that could consistantly get yards after contact and break one to the house.
Bennett wasn't very shifty and often hit the hole before it was there, resulting in no yardage gains.
When Bennett gets a chance, he does fairly well, but with us he developed a case of fumbling and that's one of the main reasons Taylor and Moore stole so many of his carries.

Purple Floyd
06-24-2009, 09:30 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"BloodyHorns82" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:






They could, but I don't see why people think that Harvin will be playing significant time at runningback.
he's a receiver.
he will be no more effective than Taylor in the backfield, if we stuck him at RB, he' be a smaller, weaker Michael Bennett.


That just gave me a reason to laugh really hard. I used to be a Bennett fan and he was good for a little while but weaker than Bennett? Percy Harvin is a Freak a Nature, his football abilities are night and day from Michael Bennett. He's a better runner, he's tougher, I wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger, ect. The bottom line is that Percy Harvin blows Bennett out of the water, even as a RB. That is how skilled this guy is, I've never seen anything like it in terms of quickness and acceleration. Thats why I say he is one if not the most explosive player I've ever seen from a static start.


Isn't Percy smaller and weaker than Bennett was?



Absolutly not, especailly menatlly, you guys are underestimating Harvin. I think he did over 20 reps at 225 as a WR who is age 20. Look at this guys upper body and muscle physic and tell me he's weaker then Bennett. Maybe Bennett was few pounds bigger, but I don't agree with that assesment. Also consider the running style, Bennett didn't run people over, Harvin does. Harvin is everything but soft. I can't say with a straight face that he's weaker than Michael Bennett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/vikingstw/Harvin.jpg






Admit it, you have absolutely no clue about Harvin's mentality.


I can't agree with that. I know for a fact that Harvin's mentality is to play the game with a deep passion, he loves football, he plays angry and intense. He has tremendous "mental" talent in terms of football. He's a freak athlete who's smooth on the field, he's a multi dimensional player with a set of skills that kill. I can know a few things about Harvin just by studying what I can find on the internet. Same with Jaymar Johnson, if I didn't feel really good about Jaymar Johnson "mentality" I would have never made this thread 1 year ago.


Fact scmact. You know squat and neither does anyone who gets their facts from the internet. To believe you know the mental makeup of somebody you have only read press releases on is impossible.

Didn't he smoke dope right before the combine? What kind of mental makeup does that display?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/04/percy-harvin-apparently-not-so-fast-above-the-shoulders.html

Percy Harvin apparently not so fast above the shoulders


Harvin allegedly failed a drug test that he knew was coming years before he had to take it, with a drug so easy to avoid detection that websites sell "cleansing" products with a 100% money-back guarantee. With millions of dollars and a first-round draft pick on the line, how stupid do you have to be to fail?

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 09:50 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:




Fact scmact. You know squat and neither does anyone who gets their facts from the internet. To believe you know the mental makeup of somebody you have only read press releases on is impossible.

Didn't he smoke dope right before the combine? What kind of mental makeup does that display?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/04/percy-harvin-apparently-not-so-fast-above-the-shoulders.html

Percy Harvin apparently not so fast above the shoulders


Harvin allegedly failed a drug test that he knew was coming years before he had to take it, with a drug so easy to avoid detection that websites sell "cleansing" products with a 100% money-back guarantee. With millions of dollars and a first-round draft pick on the line, how stupid do you have to be to fail?




IYO... I know squat, I can exept that as your illusion. I'm talking about a feel for his moral character and his "mental talent" on the football field. I have a very good feel for all that.

As far as a "complete" mental makeup, thats impossible from the internet, I would need to sit down with him or know him over a course of time to get as much as humanly possible. Even then "everyone" has a "mask". You really can't know the complete truth about someone and their mental makeup. I will say he's "dumb" for doing what he did but it worked out for us and lets not act like we havn't made major mistakes in our lifes. Reality is the teacher, Harvin got a lesson at the combine.

Harvin definitly had some Pot before the combine. That tells me that he likes "weed", alot of people due including Randy Moss. I would imagine Harvin enjoys his pot if was willing to put big $ on the line.

With that said I'm very "happy" that Harvin tested positive for Weed. If he didn't, there is no way he slips to us at #22. Now I can't be absolute about that, but I feel really good about making that statement. Everyone new he was a top 10 Talent, the positive test created major slipage and I'm very "glad" it happened. Harvin was my #1 guy if he cleared our character background check and I know we do a good job on that. Does it make Harvin a bad kid cause he smokes? I'd go with no, Harvin has had no major problems off the field in numerous years, so far he's been nothing but great with our Franchise. We'll see how the future pans out, I think alot of people were wrong about the seriousness of his character issues.

I was estatic when we drafted Harvin. From the time Brad Childress got the Minnesota he has drafted every player I wanted in the first round for consecutive years... Greeway the year we were really hurting for LB's, Peterson the year he slipped, I said before we traded for Jared Allen that he was top 3 DE in the league and I really liked him... and then Harvin. It's a bit odd, people wonder why I like our drafting so much. Well their doing what I would have done.

Purple Floyd
06-24-2009, 09:52 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:




Fact scmact. You know squat and neither does anyone who gets their facts from the internet. To believe you know the mental makeup of somebody you have only read press releases on is impossible.

Didn't he smoke dope right before the combine? What kind of mental makeup does that display?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/04/percy-harvin-apparently-not-so-fast-above-the-shoulders.html

Percy Harvin apparently not so fast above the shoulders


Harvin allegedly failed a drug test that he knew was coming years before he had to take it, with a drug so easy to avoid detection that websites sell "cleansing" products with a 100% money-back guarantee. With millions of dollars and a first-round draft pick on the line, how stupid do you have to be to fail?




IYO... I know squat, I can exept that as your illusion. I'm talking about a feel for his moral character and his "mental talent" on the football field. I have a very good feel for all that.

As far as a "complete" mental makeup, thats impossible from the internet, I would need to sit down with him or know him over a course of time to get as much as humanly possible. Even then "everyone" has a "mask". You really can't know the complete truth about someone and their mental makeup. I will say he's "dumb" for doing what he did but it worked out for us and lets not act like we havn't made major mistakes in our lifes. Reality is the teacher, Harvin got a lesson at the combine.

Harvin definitly had some Pot before the combine. That tells me that he likes "weed", alot of people due including Randy Moss. I would imagine Harvin enjoys his pot if was willing to put big $ on the line.

With that said I'm very "happy" that Harvin tested positive for Weed. If he didn't, there is no way he slips to us at #22. Now I can't be absolute about that, but I feel really good about making that statement. Everyone new he was a top 10 Talent, the positive test created major slipage and I'm very "glad" it happened. Harvin was my #1 guy if he cleared our character background check and I know we do a good job on that. Does it make Harvin a bad kid cause he smokes? I'd go with no, Harvin has had no major problems off the field in numerous years, so far he's been nothing but great with our Franchise. We'll see how the future pans out, I think alot of people were wrong about the seriousness of his character issues.

I was estatic when we drafted Harvin. From the time Brad Childress got the Minnesota he has drafted every player I wanted in the first round for consecutive years... Greeway the year we were really hurting for LB's, Peterson the year he slipped, I said before we traded for Jared Allen that he was top 3 DE in the league and I really liked him... and then Harvin. It's a bit odd, people wonder why I like our drafting so much. Well their doing what I would have done.


That was sarcasm right?

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 09:55 PM
Nope, that was Honest Reality.

Purple Floyd
06-24-2009, 09:57 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Nope, that was Honest Reality.


And some guys on here think you have know sense of humor. I understand it now, you are crazy like a fox.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 10:04 PM
Tarvaris "Fox" Jackson

Guys, I think it's time I really come out of the closet... I'm... I'm... I'm actually Tarvaris Jackson.

Anyways in all seriousness it is true, they keep drafting the guys I like in the first round, it kinda freaks me out sometimes. I was a big time Greenway fan going into that draft and of course Peterson... I was all over his highlights and I remeber seeing him as a Freshman in college just saying... WOW. Jared Allen, I knew all about him, he destroyed us in that game we lost to the Chiefs. I had seen him on TV numerous time with his commical personatlly... he's from the country... I'm from the country its a match made in heaven. I've been obsessed with getting pass rush for numerous years. Percy Harvin... I said after we lost out on Housh "Just relax something great will happen" and it did... I think. We'll see how it pans out.

Call me a lier... I don't care, I know what I know, and nothing changes that.

Purple Floyd
06-24-2009, 10:06 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


Tarvaris "Fox" Jackson

Guys, I think it's time I really come out of the closet...





Hey, it takes all kinds to make the world go around. To each their own.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 10:08 PM
By the way, just to add in some honesty, before Childress got here... I really really wanted Mike Williams the day we drafted Troy. I missed that day, I would have taken Mike Williams but I was just a kid really wanting to replace Moss. I was not happy with Troy Williamson, went to work in a bad mood.

Purple Floyd
06-24-2009, 10:09 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


By the way, just to add in some honesty, before Childress got here... I really really wanted Mike Williams the day we drafted Troy. I missed that day, I would have taken Mike Williams but I was just a kid really wanting to replace Moss. I was not happy with Troy Williamson, went to work in a bad mood.


There you go. Let it all hang out.

VikingsTw
06-24-2009, 10:12 PM
Just letting you know I'm honest... I don't have any reasons to lie.

Marrdro
06-25-2009, 06:29 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


I'm gonna have to disagree with that. I've always been intriged with Aundre Allison's talent, but to make that last roster spot we need a guy who can impact on specail teams. Aillison had a nice kick return his rookie year for a TD. Other than that he has been below average at both kick and punt return with all the oportunity in the world to prove himself.
I think you will see a difference on ST's and it won't be what WR makes the roster.
Hopefully the guy they promoted and the two chuckleheads they brought in will be real ST's coaches and we will see something akin to actual ST's play.

Having said that, I don't think you can say he has been given all the oppotunity in the world.
Has he got some reps?
Yup, but the last guy really didn't tap a guy and go with him.
It was more of a "Returner by Committee" deal.
Not sure if that can be attributed to all the injuries or not, however, it happened.


I also have an opinion about Allison's thought process compared to Jaymar Johnson. I like JJ much better, I think he's more focused, has more passion, more drive, he's smarter, ect. Again I'm going to bring up the point of "playbook" something Allison has struggled with, and doing things the way coaches want him to do. JJ has one year, he'll go into this camp reacting, not thinking. If he picks up the playbook well, executes how the coaches want it done, he's going to give himself a great chance. Jaymar Johnson is one of the hardest working guys on our roster, I feel his upside and potential out weigh Allison, I beleive he's a more natural football player at WR and Returner.
Hmmm, I love to watch the game and try to break it down, probably more than your casual fan, however, in no way can I say I can figure out who has the better "Mind" for the game.
Not sure how you do it.

Anyway, I don't think AA struggles are with the playbook my friend. He appears to run nice routes and seems to give defensive players fits at times (He got a couple of nice penalties called his way) but also seems to like to push off as well (he had some penalties called against him).
Again, not sure what you are seeing with respect to JJ and AA on the field.
My guess is you are going on what you saw him do in college and not really at the NFL level.


I don't want to make any factual statments too soon because we need to see the performance in camp and preseason but I do have a prediction. Allison needs to shine to keep his job, the competition is getting better and better every season at WR. It's nice to see where it was, and where it is now.
I agree with your comment on the talent level. Again, my default for AA, then Holt, then JJ is mostly based on the fact that I've see AA play. The other 2, not so much.

By the way, all of them need to shine to keep thier jobs my friend.
Nature of the beast.

Marrdro
06-25-2009, 06:40 AM
"V4L" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3




Gotta agree

Excellent post my man!

Thanks....
Even a blind squirell finds a acorn once in awhile.
I almost started a new thread to include things like the route numbers so that when the dome is completely silent and we hear LNAD making his line calls we would know if the Z was gonna fade, Y/X was gonna void or the H was gonna check down based on the number after his name

1 - Quick Out. . You run up the field about 5 yards, and then make a sharp cut out towards the sideline.

2 - Slant Route. Take 3 long steps forward then slant at a 45 degrees angled towards the center of the field. This is a timing route, so you will need to work with the quarterback to get the timing down.

3 - Deep Out. You run up the field about 10 yards, and then make a sharp cut out towards the sideline. This is the same pattern as the quick out except deeper.

4 - In/Drag Route. You run up the field and then cut in toward the center of the field at a sharp angle.


5 - Flag Route. You run up the field about 12-15 yards, and then break towards the flag in the back of the end zone.

6 - Curl Route. You run up the field about 12-15 yards, and then curl in towards the quarterback, at a 45 degrees angled. Find the open area of the field if they are playing a zone defense.

7 - Post/Corner. Fake a deep Post, and then run towards the flag in the back of the end zone.

8 - Post Route. You run up the field about 15 yards, and then break at a 45 degrees angled towards the deep middle of the field. This is the same pattern as the slant except deeper.

9 - Go/Streak/Fly Route. You will be running a straight sprint route off the line of scrimmage, as hard and as fast as you can

Marrdro
06-25-2009, 06:43 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3



Nice breakdown.
If JJ is going to make the final roster, he will need to beat out AA and Holt.

I don't see any of the other 4 losing their spots at this time.
Certainly not Bobby Wade.

I would not be terribly surprised to see Aundrae miss the cut though.
If Jaymar is looking as good as VTW says, then it will be a good test for Aundrae.
Adding Holt will also be a nice push for AA.
If AA beats them both then hopefully we will see an improved Aundrae from last year.

2 years ago who would have thought we'd have this kinda depth at WR. Bobby Wade was our top reciever and now he's barely in the top 5. It's definetly a good problem to have.
Any chance they would use a RB slot for Percy, allowing an extra reciever to remain?

Ya know, I raised that very issue as a discussion point and was almost run off the site by most who thought that it was a crazy idea.
;D

Marrdro
06-25-2009, 06:50 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it

That's insane.

=Z=


I can understand how you feel about that. It's not that I want Bobby Wade cut... infact he is one of my favorite personalities on the team along with Ben Leber. As we move foward we need to upgrade from these players to become better, To be more explosive. I just want to get better and this is a business. As we continue to improve this team the WR corps is getting much better every year.

Wade is a solid solid player, he knows the offense, he catches the football, he gets open for the QB, he's just a savy player. He's been our most productive WR but we absolutly have to get more explosive at WR. Wade does not bring a huge impact on specail teams at all. With that said he will not get cut, but if I was the coach and I felt I had to keep 2 younger up and coming guys I'm not cutting Rice, Harvin or Berrian to do it. With all that said, I do favor JJ because of his explosive versatility and mental talent. Bobby Wade is going to be the #4 WR on the team, it will be dog fight for #5.



Fans sometimes need to look at things with the Vikings Checkbook in mind......In this case, its B-wades contract.

Funny how it is up about the time one would think PH (roughly 3 years) would be that mature WR in this league.

As to B-wade and his "Explosiveness".
I'm wondering if you took into account what is in the box that he was to work in/around?
Still say that B-wade is plenty fast enough to play the slot.
He knows how to catch the ball in traffic as well as find the seams/holes.
Problem is, with everyone crowded up to stop our running threat, it kindof makes it hard to get any YAC (let alone run a route or catch the ball) with all the traffic he needs to work through.

Is he a Moss type player?
Hardly, but the guy is clutch and he typically catches anything that is within range and for a small dude, is one hell of a blocker.

tastywaves
06-25-2009, 10:10 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


It's JJ against the world right now, nodody thinks he can make the team, for exept me. I been wrong before, but I also been right, so we'll see.

I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it, but he'll get that #5 IMO. If I was coach, he's definitly on my team, to much passion, to much drive and he's a naturaly gifted athlete who is a football player.

I have issues with this staff, however, I don't think they are crazy enough to get rid of B-wade.

Lets look at it from how the coaches look at it (if they were Marrdro)

If the Chiller came up and asked, I would rank them in the following order right now......(Caveat - Order has nothing to do with how you guys go #1, #2, #3 etc, but rather comfort level they will make the roster with respect to what package I could run them out on the field)

TOP 4 of 5 Positions
Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R


Fighting it out for 5th roster spot
Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3
Glenn Holt WR 24 6-1 193 4


Dark horse to either take 5th spot/PS spot
Jaymar Johnson WR 24 6-0 176 1

Darius Reynaud WR 23 5-9 201 2


Who knows......
Nick Moore WR 22 6-4 193 R

Vinny Perretta WR 23 5-9 194 R

Bobby Williams WR 23 6-3 196 R


If the Chiller asked, here is how I would use them in certain packages depending on Down/Distance/what the Defense has been doing.

(2 receivers, tight end, two backs - XYZ)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y

(spread or single/noRB formation - X, Y, Z, R, and H)
BB - Primary X - Split End
Rice - Primary Z - Flanker
Shanc - Primary Y - TE
B-wade - R - Primary Slot
Back - H - Could be a RB, FB (AD/CT/Tahi) or additional WR (PH)

OK, going on the fact that I have just told the HC who my top 4 position recievers were, he would then say, Marrdro, you get one more, who is it.
For me, I would rank them in the following manner.....

a.
Time in Scheme - Not fair, however, I always think that the guy that has been in the scheme the longest should be the best.
b.
Size/Speed - What am I gonna do with him?
How many big/little guys do I have already.
c.
Injuries - Of my starters/primary guys, who gets injured the most.
d.
What have they done in camp.

a.
AA has 3 yrs, Holt has 0 yrs, DR 2yrs, JJ 1 yr.
b.
B-wade/PH already equates to 2 small guys.
Eliminates DR for me.
c.
Rice gets hurt....No big bruiser to take his spot.
Might want to slip Williams to the PS.
d. Still to be decided as OTA's to soon but if pushed by the coache, I would look real hard at JJ.


In the end though, I would go into the season with the following 5 on my 53 man roster....

Bernard Berrian WR 28 6-1 185 6
Bobby Wade WR 28 5-10 186 7

Sidney Rice WR 22 6-4 202 3
Percy Harvin WR 21 5-11 192 R

Aundrae Allison WR 24 6-0 198 3



Nice breakdown.
If JJ is going to make the final roster, he will need to beat out AA and Holt.

I don't see any of the other 4 losing their spots at this time.
Certainly not Bobby Wade.

I would not be terribly surprised to see Aundrae miss the cut though.
If Jaymar is looking as good as VTW says, then it will be a good test for Aundrae.
Adding Holt will also be a nice push for AA.
If AA beats them both then hopefully we will see an improved Aundrae from last year.

2 years ago who would have thought we'd have this kinda depth at WR. Bobby Wade was our top reciever and now he's barely in the top 5. It's definetly a good problem to have.
Any chance they would use a RB slot for Percy, allowing an extra reciever to remain?

Ya know, I raised that very issue as a discussion point and was almost run off the site by most who thought that it was a crazy idea.

;D


That's just crazy talk
:)
It's very possible that there will only be two real RB's on the active roster.
Whether they want to label PH as the 3rd RB or say we have 6 WR's.
Last year, Maurice Hicks was the 3rd rb on the roster, but it was primarily to return kicks.
I would guess Hicks only had a handful of carries last year.
There will no doubt be guys on the practice squad that can come in from week to week should an injury happen to Chester or Adrian, but not sure they will feel that they need to have a 3rd RB on the active roster.

V-Unit
06-25-2009, 12:39 PM
3 RBs and 6 WRs

or

4 RBs and 5 WRs

It's the same Damn Thing. It's 3 RBs, 5 WRs, and Harvin no matter what. The league does not require you to have a certain amount at each position. This isn't a Madden Fantasy Draft.

tastywaves
06-25-2009, 01:48 PM
"V" wrote:


3 RBs and 6 WRs

or

4 RBs and 5 WRs

It's the same gol 'darnit Thing. It's 3 RBs, 5 WRs, and Harvin no matter what. The league does not require you to have a certain amount at each position. This isn't a Madden Fantasy Draft.


I think Marrdro's point is that this staff has been carrying 5 WR's and 3 RB's taking a total of 8 roster spots.
As he doesn't see other areas where they might be taking a way a spot, the rational is that you tag what was the 3rd RB spot for Harvin vs. taking away from another area.
In doing so though, you only carry 2 real RB's on the team and you would essentially have 6 WR's. What you call the position is irrelevant, more of question as to whether you feel comfortable with only 2 true RB's.
This is not counting FB's/H-backs.

VikingsTw
06-25-2009, 04:12 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I'm gonna have to disagree with that. I've always been intriged with Aundre Allison's talent, but to make that last roster spot we need a guy who can impact on specail teams. Aillison had a nice kick return his rookie year for a TD. Other than that he has been below average at both kick and punt return with all the oportunity in the world to prove himself.
I think you will see a difference on ST's and it won't be what WR makes the roster.
Hopefully the guy they promoted and the two chuckleheads they brought in will be real ST's coaches and we will see something akin to actual ST's play.

Having said that, I don't think you can say he has been given all the oppotunity in the world.
Has he got some reps?
Yup, but the last guy really didn't tap a guy and go with him.
It was more of a "Returner by Committee" deal.
Not sure if that can be attributed to all the injuries or not, however, it happened.


I also have an opinion about Allison's thought process compared to Jaymar Johnson. I like JJ much better, I think he's more focused, has more passion, more drive, he's smarter, ect. Again I'm going to bring up the point of "playbook" something Allison has struggled with, and doing things the way coaches want him to do. JJ has one year, he'll go into this camp reacting, not thinking. If he picks up the playbook well, executes how the coaches want it done, he's going to give himself a great chance. Jaymar Johnson is one of the hardest working guys on our roster, I feel his upside and potential out weigh Allison, I beleive he's a more natural football player at WR and Returner.
Hmmm, I love to watch the game and try to break it down, probably more than your casual fan, however, in no way can I say I can figure out who has the better "Mind" for the game.
Not sure how you do it.

Anyway, I don't think AA struggles are with the playbook My Sexy Little Pixie. He appears to run nice routes and seems to give defensive players fits at times (He got a couple of nice penalties called his way) but also seems to like to push off as well (he had some penalties called against him).
Again, not sure what you are seeing with respect to JJ and AA on the field.
My guess is you are going on what you saw him do in college and not really at the NFL level.


I don't want to make any factual statments too soon because we need to see the performance in camp and preseason but I do have a prediction. Allison needs to shine to keep his job, the competition is getting better and better every season at WR. It's nice to see where it was, and where it is now.
I agree with your comment on the talent level. Again, my default for AA, then Holt, then JJ is mostly based on the fact that I've see AA play. The other 2, not so much.

By the way, all of them need to shine to keep thier jobs My Sexy Little Pixie.
Nature of the beast.


That's BS man... He's had numerous opportunities, he's just not a good kick returner or punt returner. Nobody had those jobs down pat, especailly with Hicks being injured all the time. Instead we still go with Chester and Berrian who is a starter and Chuk Gordon. Why wasn't Allison returning kicks? Cause he blows at it, two years is plenty of time to prove himself, he hasn't done it. It wouldn't be return by committee if he "took" the job.

JJ by far IMO has the better mind set, his thought process, his drive, passion, ect. To some people it might be a mystery but to me it's evident... easy.

He might "know" the playbook... what he struggles with is doing things the way his coaches "want" him to do it. This is no secret. IMO JJ will do what is asked of him, he's ready to prove himself.

It is true, I have seen little of JJ and JJ has had little oportunity to prove himself. Last year in the preseason he had the best Punt Return out of all four games. Thats about as far as I can go. He was on the last string playing with Booty and that Offensive Line that couldn't hold up to save their lives.

Of course they have to shine, anyone can tell you that.

With all that said Aundre Allison does have the advantage due his time here but I'm not absolutly confident in his consistent abilities. He did really well in camp last year and even some in preseason. During the regular season he fell off the map. He had more big plays as rookie than his sophmore year.

Yfz01
06-25-2009, 10:28 PM
Interesting.
Jaymar Johnson is probably the fastest player on the team in a 60 yard sprint (according to Bernard Berrian)

VikingsTw
06-25-2009, 10:30 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


Interesting.
Jaymar Johnson is probably the fastest player on the team in a 60 yard sprint (according to Bernard Berrian)


He said that? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised but... where is this information coming from?

Yfz01
06-25-2009, 10:37 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


Interesting.
Jaymar Johnson is probably the fastest player on the team in a 60 yard sprint (according to Bernard Berrian)


He said that? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised but... where is this information coming from?


On nfl.com chat.
He said the fastest player is probably 2nd year WR Jaymar Johnson or AD.

VikingsTw
06-25-2009, 10:42 PM
Alot of people probably look at Jaymar's 40 time at the combine, a 4.47 on a bumb ankle. The kid can fly... it's similair to Asher Allen our 3rd Round CB, he ran a decent time at the combine but had a rolling start, it cost him some tenths... At his pro day he ran a 4.33.

Marrdro
06-26-2009, 11:39 AM
"V" wrote:


3 RBs and 6 WRs

or

4 RBs and 5 WRs

It's the same gol 'darnit Thing. It's 3 RBs, 5 WRs, and Harvin no matter what. The league does not require you to have a certain amount at each position. This isn't a Madden Fantasy Draft.

A.
No one is saying this is Madded.

B.
No one is saying PH should be called a RB.
We are just talking about using a RB roster spot to keep 6 WR's.
In that end, isn't that is what you just typed...... :o

Marrdro
06-26-2009, 11:40 AM
"tastywaves" wrote:


"V" wrote:


3 RBs and 6 WRs

or

4 RBs and 5 WRs

It's the same gol 'darnit Thing. It's 3 RBs, 5 WRs, and Harvin no matter what. The league does not require you to have a certain amount at each position. This isn't a Madden Fantasy Draft.


I think Marrdro's point is that this staff has been carrying 5 WR's and 3 RB's taking a total of 8 roster spots.
As he doesn't see other areas where they might be taking a way a spot, the rational is that you tag what was the 3rd RB spot for Harvin vs. taking away from another area.
In doing so though, you only carry 2 real RB's on the team and you would essentially have 6 WR's. What you call the position is irrelevant, more of question as to whether you feel comfortable with only 2 true RB's.

This is not counting FB's/H-backs.

Bingo, I tried to explain it that one one time as well.
Problem was, it still went down the "He isn't gonna be a RB" path again.
:o

i_bleed_purple
06-26-2009, 11:44 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


3 RBs and 6 WRs

or

4 RBs and 5 WRs

It's the same gol 'darnit Thing. It's 3 RBs, 5 WRs, and Harvin no matter what. The league does not require you to have a certain amount at each position. This isn't a Madden Fantasy Draft.

A.
No one is saying this is Madded.

B.
No one is saying PH should be called a RB.
We are just talking about using a RB roster spot to keep 6 WR's.
In that end, isn't that is what you just typed...... :o


probably would be clearer if you put it this way,

It will NOT be
RB1. AD
RB2. CT
RB3. PH

WR1. Berrian
WR2. Wade
WR3. Rice
WR4. Allison
WR5. JJ


It would be

RB1. AD
RB2. CT


WR1. Berrian
WR2. Wade
WR3. Rice
WR4. Allison
WR5. JJ
WR6. PH

He would not be listed on the roster as a runningback.

Marrdro
06-26-2009, 11:49 AM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I'm gonna have to disagree with that. I've always been intriged with Aundre Allison's talent, but to make that last roster spot we need a guy who can impact on specail teams. Aillison had a nice kick return his rookie year for a TD. Other than that he has been below average at both kick and punt return with all the oportunity in the world to prove himself.
I think you will see a difference on ST's and it won't be what WR makes the roster.
Hopefully the guy they promoted and the two chuckleheads they brought in will be real ST's coaches and we will see something akin to actual ST's play.

Having said that, I don't think you can say he has been given all the oppotunity in the world.
Has he got some reps?
Yup, but the last guy really didn't tap a guy and go with him.
It was more of a "Returner by Committee" deal.
Not sure if that can be attributed to all the injuries or not, however, it happened.


I also have an opinion about Allison's thought process compared to Jaymar Johnson. I like JJ much better, I think he's more focused, has more passion, more drive, he's smarter, ect. Again I'm going to bring up the point of "playbook" something Allison has struggled with, and doing things the way coaches want him to do. JJ has one year, he'll go into this camp reacting, not thinking. If he picks up the playbook well, executes how the coaches want it done, he's going to give himself a great chance. Jaymar Johnson is one of the hardest working guys on our roster, I feel his upside and potential out weigh Allison, I beleive he's a more natural football player at WR and Returner.
Hmmm, I love to watch the game and try to break it down, probably more than your casual fan, however, in no way can I say I can figure out who has the better "Mind" for the game.
Not sure how you do it.

Anyway, I don't think AA struggles are with the playbook My Sexy Little Pixie. He appears to run nice routes and seems to give defensive players fits at times (He got a couple of nice penalties called his way) but also seems to like to push off as well (he had some penalties called against him).
Again, not sure what you are seeing with respect to JJ and AA on the field.
My guess is you are going on what you saw him do in college and not really at the NFL level.


I don't want to make any factual statments too soon because we need to see the performance in camp and preseason but I do have a prediction. Allison needs to shine to keep his job, the competition is getting better and better every season at WR. It's nice to see where it was, and where it is now.
I agree with your comment on the talent level. Again, my default for AA, then Holt, then JJ is mostly based on the fact that I've see AA play. The other 2, not so much.

By the way, all of them need to shine to keep thier jobs My Sexy Little Pixie.
Nature of the beast.


That's BS man... He's had numerous opportunities, he's just not a good kick returner or punt returner. Nobody had those jobs down pat, especailly with Hicks being injured all the time. Instead we still go with Chester and Berrian who is a starter and Chuk Gordon. Why wasn't Allison returning kicks? Cause he blows at it, two years is plenty of time to prove himself, he hasn't done it. It wouldn't be return by committee if he "took" the job.


Its BS?
What part, that we had a yutz for a ST's coach?
That he couldn't settle on a guy as returner?
That injuries dictated (at times) who the returner was?

Comeon.....


JJ by far IMO has the better mind set, his thought process, his drive, passion, ect. To some people it might be a mystery but to me it's evident... easy.
OK, if its so easy please tell my why/how you can determine he has a better mind set?
Seriously, I'm all about learning.
I wanna know how you deduce this.


He might "know" the playbook... what he struggles with is doing things the way his coaches "want" him to do it. This is no secret. IMO JJ will do what is asked of him, he's ready to prove himself.
Same question as before.
How do you come to that conclusion?
One is ready and one won't ever be able to do it?


It is true, I have seen little of JJ and JJ has had little oportunity to prove himself. Last year in the preseason he had the best Punt Return out of all four games. Thats about as far as I can go. He was on the last string playing with Booty and that Offensive Line that couldn't hold up to save their lives.
So a return in a pre-season game against scrubs is a better effort that several returns against starters in real game situations?

Return Stats
YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG
2007
MIN
11 0

0

0
0

0

20
574
1
0
104
2008
MIN
15 9
58

0
4

27

6
100
0
0
22
Career 26 9 58 0 4 27 26 674 1 0 104
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=10589



With all that said Aundre Allison does have the advantage due his time here but I'm not absolutly confident in his consistent abilities. He did really well in camp last year and even some in preseason. During the regular season he fell off the map. He had more big plays as rookie than his sophmore year.
And that my friend is why I rank him with Holt, and just a bit higher than DR and JJ.

VikingsTw
06-26-2009, 02:09 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I'm gonna have to disagree with that. I've always been intriged with Aundre Allison's talent, but to make that last roster spot we need a guy who can impact on specail teams. Aillison had a nice kick return his rookie year for a TD. Other than that he has been below average at both kick and punt return with all the oportunity in the world to prove himself.
I think you will see a difference on ST's and it won't be what WR makes the roster.
Hopefully the guy they promoted and the two chuckleheads they brought in will be real ST's coaches and we will see something akin to actual ST's play.

Having said that, I don't think you can say he has been given all the oppotunity in the world.
Has he got some reps?
Yup, but the last guy really didn't tap a guy and go with him.
It was more of a "Returner by Committee" deal.
Not sure if that can be attributed to all the injuries or not, however, it happened.


I also have an opinion about Allison's thought process compared to Jaymar Johnson. I like JJ much better, I think he's more focused, has more passion, more drive, he's smarter, ect. Again I'm going to bring up the point of "playbook" something Allison has struggled with, and doing things the way coaches want him to do. JJ has one year, he'll go into this camp reacting, not thinking. If he picks up the playbook well, executes how the coaches want it done, he's going to give himself a great chance. Jaymar Johnson is one of the hardest working guys on our roster, I feel his upside and potential out weigh Allison, I beleive he's a more natural football player at WR and Returner.
Hmmm, I love to watch the game and try to break it down, probably more than your casual fan, however, in no way can I say I can figure out who has the better "Mind" for the game.
Not sure how you do it.

Anyway, I don't think AA struggles are with the playbook My Sexy Little Pixie. He appears to run nice routes and seems to give defensive players fits at times (He got a couple of nice penalties called his way) but also seems to like to push off as well (he had some penalties called against him).
Again, not sure what you are seeing with respect to JJ and AA on the field.
My guess is you are going on what you saw him do in college and not really at the NFL level.


I don't want to make any factual statments too soon because we need to see the performance in camp and preseason but I do have a prediction. Allison needs to shine to keep his job, the competition is getting better and better every season at WR. It's nice to see where it was, and where it is now.
I agree with your comment on the talent level. Again, my default for AA, then Holt, then JJ is mostly based on the fact that I've see AA play. The other 2, not so much.

By the way, all of them need to shine to keep thier jobs My Sexy Little Pixie.
Nature of the beast.


That's BS man... He's had numerous opportunities, he's just not a good kick returner or punt returner. Nobody had those jobs down pat, especailly with Hicks being injured all the time. Instead we still go with Chester and Berrian who is a starter and Chuk Gordon. Why wasn't Allison returning kicks? Cause he blows at it, two years is plenty of time to prove himself, he hasn't done it. It wouldn't be return by committee if he "took" the job.


Its BS?
What part, that we had a yutz for a ST's coach?
That he couldn't settle on a guy as returner?
That injuries dictated (at times) who the returner was?

Comeon.....


JJ by far IMO has the better mind set, his thought process, his drive, passion, ect. To some people it might be a mystery but to me it's evident... easy.
OK, if its so easy please tell my why/how you can determine he has a better mind set?
Seriously, I'm all about learning.
I wanna know how you deduce this.


He might "know" the playbook... what he struggles with is doing things the way his coaches "want" him to do it. This is no secret. IMO JJ will do what is asked of him, he's ready to prove himself.
Same question as before.
How do you come to that conclusion?
One is ready and one won't ever be able to do it?


It is true, I have seen little of JJ and JJ has had little oportunity to prove himself. Last year in the preseason he had the best Punt Return out of all four games. Thats about as far as I can go. He was on the last string playing with Booty and that Offensive Line that couldn't hold up to save their lives.
So a return in a pre-season game against scrubs is a better effort that several returns against starters in real game situations?

Return Stats
YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG
2007
MIN
11 0

0


0
0

0

20
574
1

0
104
2008
MIN
15 9

58

0
4

27

6
100
0

0

22
Career 26 9 58 0 4 27 26 674 1 0 104
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=10589



With all that said Aundre Allison does have the advantage due his time here but I'm not absolutly confident in his consistent abilities. He did really well in camp last year and even some in preseason. During the regular season he fell off the map. He had more big plays as rookie than his sophmore year.
And that My Sexy Little Pixie is why I rank him with Holt, and just a bit higher than DR and JJ.


I understand your point about us having poor specail teams coach or coaching... Not sure it was even that, the players need to execute. What I do like about our new Coach is that he has passion for Specail Teams, I'm not so sure the other guy was like that. He went on to coach LB's. The point though, is not to blaim Freraro for the lack of sucess that Aundre Allison has had as a return specialist. Even more so when we had musical chairs... where was Allison the entire time? On the bench... not because the coach but because he's not that good at it. IMO Allison is a better WR then he is return specialist.

As far as who's mind is better or who's mind is right, there is alot of information in this thread on that. Just read over it, I think I've said all there is to say. Just read JJ's quotes... has Allsion ever been this determined or confident? Negative. It's definitly not rocket science.

I didn't say Allison will never be able to do it... Will he be able to do it better than JJ, not IMO. Again on the "doing things the way the coaches want them done", that comes from last years information. It's just something I remember, something I read from a Childress Quote. My memory is solid but not perfect, with that said this is indeed truth.

No I never said a return in the Preseason is better than the Regular season... LoL. I said JJ had the best Punt Return out of all the guys in last years preseason. I watched it multiple times, JJ is a natural at what he does, he knows how to create something out of nothing, he has a naturaul knack for the ability and you can see it in his college tape also. I think this year, now that he's added the weight ect, we will see more.

I rank JJ above Allison, Reynaud, Holt and anybody else we got. We'll see how it works out, I'm not always correct but I do have a strong feeling about this. I imagine one or two of those WR's will make the practice squad.

V-Unit
06-29-2009, 09:27 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


3 RBs and 6 WRs

or

4 RBs and 5 WRs

It's the same gol 'darnit Thing. It's 3 RBs, 5 WRs, and Harvin no matter what. The league does not require you to have a certain amount at each position. This isn't a Madden Fantasy Draft.

A.
No one is saying this is Madded.

B.
No one is saying PH should be called a RB.
We are just talking about using a RB roster spot to keep 6 WR's.
In that end, isn't that is what you just typed...... :o


probably would be clearer if you put it this way,

It will NOT be
RB1. AD
RB2. CT
RB3. PH

WR1. Berrian
WR2. Wade
WR3. Rice
WR4. Allison
WR5. JJ


It would be

RB1. AD
RB2. CT


WR1. Berrian
WR2. Wade
WR3. Rice
WR4. Allison
WR5. JJ
WR6. PH

He would not be listed on the roster as a runningback.



Your two scenarios are the exact same thing. That is all I am saying.

How he is listed doesn't matter at all. If the staff wants to keep 6 WRs, they'll keep 6 WRs. They won't list Harvin as an RB just to keep an "extra WR". Hell, they might even keep 3 RBs and 6 WRs anyways, but not matter how you cut it, Harvin is a WR and listing him as an RB does not change that, or anything else.

V-Unit
06-29-2009, 09:30 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


"V" wrote:


3 RBs and 6 WRs

or

4 RBs and 5 WRs

It's the same gol 'darnit Thing. It's 3 RBs, 5 WRs, and Harvin no matter what. The league does not require you to have a certain amount at each position. This isn't a Madden Fantasy Draft.


I think Marrdro's point is that this staff has been carrying 5 WR's and 3 RB's taking a total of 8 roster spots.
As he doesn't see other areas where they might be taking a way a spot, the rational is that you tag what was the 3rd RB spot for Harvin vs. taking away from another area.
In doing so though, you only carry 2 real RB's on the team and you would essentially have 6 WR's. What you call the position is irrelevant, more of question as to whether you feel comfortable with only 2 true RB's.

This is not counting FB's/H-backs.

Bingo, I tried to explain it that one one time as well.
Problem was, it still went down the "He isn't gonna be a RB" path again.

:o


I know what you're saying, but if you are suggesting that we will be keeping 2 RBs and 6 WRs, just go ahead and say it, rather than suggesting that we will "list Harvin as an RB." We won't.

jessejames09
06-29-2009, 09:30 AM
This thread's title makes me laugh every time.

Technically, anyone that's successfully played a game of catch, exceeds Troy Williamson...

ThorSPL
06-29-2009, 11:46 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


This thread's title makes me laugh every time.

Technically, anyone that's successfully played a game of catch, exceeds Troy Williamson...


haha, good chuckle there

VikingsTw
06-29-2009, 12:28 PM
Exactly right... so in essence the title isn't absurd, it's the truth.

Some people still don't understand the link between the too, Troy was from the Moss trade, the #7 overall pick, he busted so we traded him for a 6th rounder, with that 6th rounder we drafted Jaymar Johnson.

Jaymar is going to exceed Troy Williamson even though he's a 6th Rounder and Troy was a top 10 Pick. Get it?

Johnson14
06-29-2009, 04:59 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


This thread's title makes me laugh every time.

Technically, anyone that's successfully played a game of catch, exceeds Troy Williamson...


hahaha...
;D

gagarr
06-29-2009, 05:46 PM
TW has to be the Vikes biggest 1st round draft disappointment ever.
You might make a case for Dimitrius Underwood, but the guy had a undiagnosed mental problem.
Granted if they would have brought in a geologist to inspect TW's hands it would have helped.

Minniman
06-29-2009, 07:34 PM
"gagarr" wrote:


TW has to be the Vikes biggest 1st round draft disappointment ever.
You might make a case for Dimitrius Underwood, but the guy had a undiagnosed mental problem.
Granted if they would have brought in a geologist to inspect TW's hands it would have helped.

As I recall, Underwood's former coaches gave warnings of his potential mental state.

TW was not bad in college, but he wasn't worth the 7th pick even if he was a good player.
The opportunity costs of that choice was just too great.

Purple Floyd
06-30-2009, 11:55 PM
"gagarr" wrote:


TW has to be the Vikes biggest 1st round draft disappointment ever.
You might make a case for Dimitrius Underwood, but the guy had a undiagnosed mental problem.
Granted if they would have brought in a geologist to inspect TW's hands it would have helped.



Cough* D.J Dozier*cough.

Marrdro
07-04-2009, 02:24 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


3 RBs and 6 WRs

or

4 RBs and 5 WRs

It's the same gol 'darnit Thing. It's 3 RBs, 5 WRs, and Harvin no matter what. The league does not require you to have a certain amount at each position. This isn't a Madden Fantasy Draft.

A.
No one is saying this is Madded.

B.
No one is saying PH should be called a RB.
We are just talking about using a RB roster spot to keep 6 WR's.
In that end, isn't that is what you just typed...... :o


probably would be clearer if you put it this way,

It will NOT be
RB1. AD
RB2. CT
RB3. PH

WR1. Berrian
WR2. Wade
WR3. Rice
WR4. Allison
WR5. JJ


It would be

RB1. AD
RB2. CT


WR1. Berrian
WR2. Wade
WR3. Rice
WR4. Allison
WR5. JJ
WR6. PH

He would not be listed on the roster as a runningback.


You could also say..........

Roster Position 1. AD
Roster Position 2. CT
Roster Position 3. PH
Roster Position 4. Berrian
Roster Position 5. Wade
Roster Position 6. Rice
Roster Position 7. Allison
Roster Position 8. JJ

.....That way, even the simplest of minds would/could figure out the following........


They could carry him in one of the 53 rosters positions held for RB's.

or


They could give him one of the RB's roster spots.

or

.....Well never mind.
I think everyone understand now (maybe)
::) ::) ::)

singersp
07-17-2009, 08:07 AM
Ex-Minnesota Viking Cris Carter impressed with young receiver Jaymar Johnson (http://www.twincities.com/ci_12854481?source=most_viewed)

Ex-Viking also has tips, praise for Rice

By Pioneer Press staff

Updated: 07/16/2009 11:25:28 PM CDT


Cris Carter knew all about Percy Harvin, the Vikings' explosive receiver.

But over the past few days, while training Pro Bowl receiver and Minneapolis native Larry Fitzgerald in the Twin Cities, Carter found another explosive receiver: Jaymar Johnson....

V4L
07-17-2009, 02:25 PM
Im pullin for JJ

I hope he beats out AA

I don't see it happening but I hope he impresses and pulls it off

Bkfldviking
07-17-2009, 02:31 PM
Good article.
Thanks Singer.
Maybe SR will do "real man" pushups as part of his TD celebration. ;D

i_bleed_purple
07-17-2009, 03:07 PM
"28-Peterson-28" wrote:


Way to go Singer... Someone's gonna have to keep it alive.


and the lunacy continues.

i_bleed_purple
07-17-2009, 03:10 PM
"28-Peterson-28" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"28-Peterson-28" wrote:


Way to go Singer... Someone's gonna have to keep it alive.


and the lunacy continues.


Why throw rocks? What have I ever done to you? Did I challenge a believe system?


although, your grammar leads me to believe you may possibly be real.

Yfz01
07-17-2009, 04:46 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Im pullin for JJ

I hope he beats out AA

I don't see it happening but I hope he impresses and pulls it off


I think he does.
I think Reynaud would beat out AA as well but my personal belief is; Bernard Berrian, Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice, Jaymar Johnson, and Bobby Wade.

BizonVike
07-17-2009, 04:50 PM
On Jaymar Johnson:

"He could start for the Vikings," said Carter, now an ESPN analyst.

He must be crazy this guy is going to be a camp cut. Right?

V-Unit
07-17-2009, 05:47 PM
I cant hate on JJ after choosing to train with Fitz and CC. He may not make the roster, but out of him, reynaud, and allison, I'll pull for him.

BizonVike
07-17-2009, 05:52 PM
Nah man the guy mad this thread luny. ::)

Marrdro
07-17-2009, 08:23 PM
Screw Chhhhhhhhhhhris Carter...
Dudes dead to me.

Shanc, on the other hand, was singing ole JJ's praises on Sirius the other night.

i_bleed_purple
07-17-2009, 08:33 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Screw Chhhhhhhhhhhris Carter...
Dudes dead to me.

Shanc, on the other hand, was singing ole JJ's praises on Sirius the other night.


who's chris carter?

Yfz01
07-17-2009, 08:34 PM
I just talked to Fitz on Twitter and he says that Jaymar is extremely fast and quick with good hands.
He also said that Sidney Rice is really athletic and was learning a few things.
It almost seemed like Jaymar was further along then Rice by his response.

:o

i_bleed_purple
07-17-2009, 08:35 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


I just talked to Fitz on Twitter and he says that Jaymar is extremely fast and quick with good hands.
He also said that Sidney Rice is really athletic and was learning a few things.
It almost seemed like Jaymar was further along then Rice by his response.

:o


athletics doesn't always translate to a good receiver.
Look at Fitz himself.
not extremely fast, but has great vertical and hands.

Yfz01
07-17-2009, 08:38 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I just talked to Fitz on Twitter and he says that Jaymar is extremely fast and quick with good hands.
He also said that Sidney Rice is really athletic and was learning a few things.
It almost seemed like Jaymar was further along then Rice by his response.

:o


athletics doesn't always translate to a good receiver.
Look at Fitz himself.
not extremely fast, but has great vertical and hands.


I know, he said that Rice was very athletic but was still learning some things.
On the other hand, he said nothing but positive things about Jaymar Johnson.
I want both of these guys to succeed (Rice is my favorite on the team!)

BizonVike
07-17-2009, 08:49 PM
Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?

Yfz01
07-17-2009, 09:16 PM
"BizonVike" wrote:


Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?


Nah.
Rice hasn't responded to any of my tweets either (neither has Ocho Cinco... and he responds to everyone!)

Plus, earlier Rice said to follow Jaymar Johnson on twitter, but I don't know his Twitter so I haven't.

Marrdro
07-17-2009, 09:51 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Screw Chhhhhhhhhhhris Carter...
Dudes dead to me.

Shanc, on the other hand, was singing ole JJ's praises on Sirius the other night.


who's chris carter?

Notice how I spellllded it?
Done that fur a reason.

BizonVike
07-17-2009, 09:54 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?


Nah.
Rice hasn't responded to any of my tweets either (neither has Ocho Cinco... and he responds to everyone!)

Plus, earlier Rice said to follow Jaymar Johnson on twitter, but I don't know his Twitter so I haven't.


Nice heads up, I'll see if I can't find his link.

Yfz01
07-17-2009, 10:03 PM
"BizonVike" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?


Nah.
Rice hasn't responded to any of my tweets either (neither has Ocho Cinco... and he responds to everyone!)

Plus, earlier Rice said to follow Jaymar Johnson on twitter, but I don't know his Twitter so I haven't.


Nice heads up, I'll see if I can't find his link.


Thanks for the link.
I am now following Jaymar Johnson.

ultravikingfan
07-17-2009, 10:16 PM
"BizonVike" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?


Nah.
Rice hasn't responded to any of my tweets either (neither has Ocho Cinco... and he responds to everyone!)

Plus, earlier Rice said to follow Jaymar Johnson on twitter, but I don't know his Twitter so I haven't.


Nice heads up, I'll see if I can't find his link.


Buh bye Vikngstw again.

You may think you are slick, but I am slicker.
You are way to sloppy to get past me....jack off!

Marrdro
07-17-2009, 10:23 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Buh bye Vikngstw again.

You may think you are slick, but I am slicker.
You are way to sloppy to get past me....jack off!

LOL, now your just cracking me up Hammer.......Keep it up.
Its slow in the comm closet tonight.
;D

Bkfldviking
07-17-2009, 10:25 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?


Nah.
Rice hasn't responded to any of my tweets either (neither has Ocho Cinco... and he responds to everyone!)

Plus, earlier Rice said to follow Jaymar Johnson on twitter, but I don't know his Twitter so I haven't.


Nice heads up, I'll see if I can't find his link.


Buh bye Vikngstw again.

You may think you are slick, but I am slicker.
You are way to sloppy to get past me....jack off!


http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/UNQ/UNQ004/courtroom-gaval_~u19880906.jpg

http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/CSP/CSP154/police-icon-red_~k1545335.jpg

BigMoInAZ
07-17-2009, 11:06 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?


Nah.
Rice hasn't responded to any of my tweets either (neither has Ocho Cinco... and he responds to everyone!)

Plus, earlier Rice said to follow Jaymar Johnson on twitter, but I don't know his Twitter so I haven't.


Nice heads up, I'll see if I can't find his link.


Buh bye Vikngstw again.

You may think you are slick, but I am slicker.
You are way to sloppy to get past me....jack off!

::)Some how this comes as no shock to me!
Times, they must be tough! ::)

Purple Floyd
07-18-2009, 06:52 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?


Nah.
Rice hasn't responded to any of my tweets either (neither has Ocho Cinco... and he responds to everyone!)

Plus, earlier Rice said to follow Jaymar Johnson on twitter, but I don't know his Twitter so I haven't.


Nice heads up, I'll see if I can't find his link.


Buh bye Vikngstw again.

You may think you are slick, but I am slicker.
You are way to sloppy to get past me....jack off!


Was it the tinfoil on his head that gave him away? ;D

singersp
07-18-2009, 07:40 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Screw Chhhhhhhhhhhris Carter...
Dudes dead to me.

Shanc, on the other hand, was singing ole JJ's praises on Sirius the other night.


who's chris carter?

Notice how I spellllded it?
Done that fur a reason.


Is this the reason?
:P

http://www.frontiersaloon.com/BeerTakeOut/TakeOutDomestic/images/6pkcMilwaukeesBest16oz.jpg

Yfz01
07-18-2009, 12:33 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"BizonVike" wrote:


Maybe that explains why Sidney Rice didn't respond to my tweet when I asked him what he thinks about JJ. Is it possible?


Nah.
Rice hasn't responded to any of my tweets either (neither has Ocho Cinco... and he responds to everyone!)

Plus, earlier Rice said to follow Jaymar Johnson on twitter, but I don't know his Twitter so I haven't.


Nice heads up, I'll see if I can't find his link.


Buh bye Vikngstw again.

You may think you are slick, but I am slicker.
You are way to sloppy to get past me....jack off!


Haha, I didn't think that was smooth at all (on his part)

singersp
07-18-2009, 01:50 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:



Buh bye Vikngstw again.

You may think you are slick, but I am slicker.
You are way to sloppy to get past me....jack off!


How many accounts has he created since he was banned?

I have seen 2 so far.

Mr Anderson
07-18-2009, 02:21 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:



Buh bye Vikngstw again.

You may think you are slick, but I am slicker.
You are way to sloppy to get past me....jack off!


How many accounts has he created since he was banned?

I have seen 2 so far.

BizonVike and 28-Peterson-28 I believe were the only 2.

Can't you just do an IP ban, Ultra?

V4L
07-18-2009, 02:27 PM
TarkTheShark: Ultra Your A D-Bag


Who was that? Was that him too?

Purple Floyd
07-18-2009, 07:51 PM
At least he still has Rube Chat. He actually seems somehow normal on that board.

Marrdro
07-18-2009, 08:58 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Screw Chhhhhhhhhhhris Carter...
Dudes dead to me.

Shanc, on the other hand, was singing ole JJ's praises on Sirius the other night.


who's chris carter?

Notice how I spellllded it?
Done that fur a reason.


Is this the reason?
:P

http://www.frontiersaloon.com/BeerTakeOut/TakeOutDomestic/images/6pkcMilwaukeesBest16oz.jpg

Naw, been in the comm closet for about 12 days.
No Beast involved.


Just know it irritates people when it is spelled wrong.
;)

Purple Floyd
07-19-2009, 07:00 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Screw Chhhhhhhhhhhris Carter...
Dudes dead to me.

Shanc, on the other hand, was singing ole JJ's praises on Sirius the other night.


who's chris carter?

Notice how I spellllded it?
Done that fur a reason.


Is this the reason?
:P

http://www.frontiersaloon.com/BeerTakeOut/TakeOutDomestic/images/6pkcMilwaukeesBest16oz.jpg

Naw, been in the comm closet for about 12 days.
No Beast involved.


Just know it irritates people when it is spelled wrong.
;)


That is a long time to be in the closet. You will feel so liberated when you come out. ;D

PurpleTide
07-19-2009, 08:59 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




Screw Chhhhhhhhhhhris Carter...
Dudes dead to me.

Shanc, on the other hand, was singing ole JJ's praises on Sirius the other night.


who's chris carter?

Notice how I spellllded it?
Done that fur a reason.


Is this the reason?
:P

http://www.frontiersaloon.com/BeerTakeOut/TakeOutDomestic/images/6pkcMilwaukeesBest16oz.jpg

Naw, been in the comm closet for about 12 days.
No Beast involved.


Just know it irritates people when it is spelled wrong.

;)


That is a long time to be in the closet. You will feel so liberated when you come out. ;D


When you finally get out of the comm closet, I hope that WW has some well iced beast for ya Marrdro. ;D

Marrdro
07-20-2009, 01:37 AM
"PurpleTide" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:






Screw Chhhhhhhhhhhris Carter...
Dudes dead to me.

Shanc, on the other hand, was singing ole JJ's praises on Sirius the other night.


who's chris carter?

Notice how I spellllded it?
Done that fur a reason.


Is this the reason?
:P

http://www.frontiersaloon.com/BeerTakeOut/TakeOutDomestic/images/6pkcMilwaukeesBest16oz.jpg

Naw, been in the comm closet for about 12 days.
No Beast involved.


Just know it irritates people when it is spelled wrong.

;)


That is a long time to be in the closet. You will feel so liberated when you come out. ;D


When you finally get out of the comm closet, I hope that WW has some well iced beast for ya Marrdro. ;D

Thanks my friend.
Gonna spend about 10 days fishing starting this Friday.
Might have a few fish pictures with a Beast or two in the hand.
;D

Yfz01
07-21-2009, 09:05 PM
I asked Jaymar about his blocking.
I figured that if he doesn't make the team, that's the reason.
He said for me to watch him in training camp and during the season to judge for myself.
I like the confidence.

8)

Marrdro
07-21-2009, 11:40 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


I asked Jaymar about his blocking.
I figured that if he doesn't make the team, that's the reason.
He said for me to watch him in training camp and during the season to judge for myself.
I like the confidence.

8)

Did I miss something......?

Do you know JJ?

Yfz01
07-22-2009, 01:35 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I asked Jaymar about his blocking.
I figured that if he doesn't make the team, that's the reason.
He said for me to watch him in training camp and during the season to judge for myself.
I like the confidence.

8)

Did I miss something......?

Do you know JJ?


Nah, I just talk to some people on Twitter.
It's a powerful tool.
8)

Marrdro
07-22-2009, 01:37 AM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I asked Jaymar about his blocking.
I figured that if he doesn't make the team, that's the reason.
He said for me to watch him in training camp and during the season to judge for myself.
I like the confidence.

8)

Did I miss something......?

Do you know JJ?


Nah, I just talk to some people on Twitter.
It's a powerful tool.

8)

I know, I get Wildwoman all a twitter all the time..... ;)

SamOchoCinco
07-22-2009, 03:13 AM
no offence to JJ

but any reciever is better than troy "no hands" williamson

Purple Floyd
07-22-2009, 06:18 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I asked Jaymar about his blocking.
I figured that if he doesn't make the team, that's the reason.
He said for me to watch him in training camp and during the season to judge for myself.
I like the confidence.

8)

Did I miss something......?

Do you know JJ?


Nah, I just talk to some people on Twitter.
It's a powerful tool.
8)

I know, I get Wildwoman all a twitter all the time..... ;)


Is that when you put on your Brett Farve costume and tell her she can either play your center or tight end?

Prophet
07-22-2009, 08:14 PM
I like the title of this thread.
A kid in diapers that caught a pass from his Dad exceeds Troy Williamson.
Impressive.

Marrdro
07-22-2009, 09:23 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


I asked Jaymar about his blocking.
I figured that if he doesn't make the team, that's the reason.
He said for me to watch him in training camp and during the season to judge for myself.
I like the confidence.

8)

Did I miss something......?

Do you know JJ?


Nah, I just talk to some people on Twitter.
It's a powerful tool.

8)

I know, I get Wildwoman all a twitter all the time..... ;)


Is that when you put on your Brett Farve costume and tell her she can either play your center or tight end?

For some reason she quits watching "Sports Center" or "NFLN" when they start talking about LNAD.

Yfz01
07-23-2009, 01:02 PM
Apparently Cris Carter was talking about Jaymar Johnson and our receivers recently on NFL Network (or something, not sure) and had good things to say.
Did anyone watch it?

C Mac D
07-23-2009, 01:08 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


Apparently Cris Carter was talking about Jaymar Johnson and our receivers recently on NFL Network (or something, not sure) and had good things to say.
Did anyone watch it?


It's discussed somewhere in this thread... he said that Johnson could start for the Vikings. Probably good for someone to point that out to our coaching staff, cause they can't seem to get the offense right... handing off to Peterson is about all Childress knows how to do. Must be a tough job.

Zeus
07-23-2009, 01:21 PM
"C" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


Apparently Cris Carter was talking about Jaymar Johnson and our receivers recently on NFL Network (or something, not sure) and had good things to say.
Did anyone watch it?


It's discussed somewhere in this thread... he said that Johnson could start for the Vikings. Probably good for someone to point that out to our coaching staff, cause they can't seem to get the offense right... handing off to Peterson is about all Childress knows how to do. Must be a tough job.


Probably harder than wandering around a convention hall sticking a microphone into the grills of girls with silicone.

=Z=

C Mac D
07-23-2009, 01:27 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


Apparently Cris Carter was talking about Jaymar Johnson and our receivers recently on NFL Network (or something, not sure) and had good things to say.
Did anyone watch it?


It's discussed somewhere in this thread... he said that Johnson could start for the Vikings. Probably good for someone to point that out to our coaching staff, cause they can't seem to get the offense right... handing off to Peterson is about all Childress knows how to do. Must be a tough job.


Probably harder than wandering around a convention hall sticking a microphone into the grills of girls with silicone.

=Z=


It's a tough life I lead... so very tough.

NodakPaul
07-23-2009, 02:22 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it

That's insane.

=Z=


In retrospect, your statement about TW here was apparently dead on...

Yfz01
07-23-2009, 02:34 PM
"C" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


Apparently Cris Carter was talking about Jaymar Johnson and our receivers recently on NFL Network (or something, not sure) and had good things to say.
Did anyone watch it?


It's discussed somewhere in this thread... he said that Johnson could start for the Vikings. Probably good for someone to point that out to our coaching staff, cause they can't seem to get the offense right... handing off to Peterson is about all Childress knows how to do. Must be a tough job.


This is new information apparently.
I think he talked about Jaymar again.
He also talked about how our WR's could be a suprise.
This information is from another site, so I could be wrong.

Zeus
07-23-2009, 02:37 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I like JJ to the point of keeping him over Bobby Wade if it came down to it

That's insane.


In retrospect, your statement about TW here was apparently dead on...


I'm an amazing judge of character.

=Z=

V4L
07-23-2009, 02:40 PM
Everyone knew he was insane

MaxVike
07-23-2009, 03:06 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


Apparently Cris Carter was talking about Jaymar Johnson and our receivers recently on NFL Network (or something, not sure) and had good things to say.
Did anyone watch it?


It was on NFL Live yesterday afternoon.
I saw it.
Both he and Marcellus Willey think the Vikes receivers are underrated.
CC stated that he has worked with Jaymar this offseason and has been impressed, thinks he will contribute during the Regular Season.
Stated that he thought Sidney Rice would improve dramatically, and said that he's watched Harvin whilst scouting for Urban Meyer...thinks Harvin will be a dynamic contributor right away.
Jaymar must have gone to CC's offseason conditioning program...would be my guess.

Yfz01
07-24-2009, 12:14 AM
"MaxVike" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


Apparently Cris Carter was talking about Jaymar Johnson and our receivers recently on NFL Network (or something, not sure) and had good things to say.
Did anyone watch it?


It was on NFL Live yesterday afternoon.
I saw it.
Both he and Marcellus Willey think the Vikes receivers are underrated.
CC stated that he has worked with Jaymar this offseason and has been impressed, thinks he will contribute during the Regular Season.
Stated that he thought Sidney Rice would improve dramatically, and said that he's watched Harvin whilst scouting for Urban Meyer...thinks Harvin will be a dynamic contributor right away.
Jaymar must have gone to CC's offseason conditioning program...would be my guess.


Interesting.
Jaymar trains with Sidney Rice and they both have been working out with Fitzgerald.
Carter helped Fitzgerald last week!
Fitzgerald is still working with Sid and JJ.

I'm excited for this group.
I think with JJ, BB, Rice, Harvin, and Reynaud / Wade we have a very explosive group.

i_bleed_purple
07-24-2009, 07:52 AM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


Apparently Cris Carter was talking about Jaymar Johnson and our receivers recently on NFL Network (or something, not sure) and had good things to say.
Did anyone watch it?


It was on NFL Live yesterday afternoon.
I saw it.
Both he and Marcellus Willey think the Vikes receivers are underrated.
CC stated that he has worked with Jaymar this offseason and has been impressed, thinks he will contribute during the Regular Season.
Stated that he thought Sidney Rice would improve dramatically, and said that he's watched Harvin whilst scouting for Urban Meyer...thinks Harvin will be a dynamic contributor right away.
Jaymar must have gone to CC's offseason conditioning program...would be my guess.


Interesting.
Jaymar trains with Sidney Rice and they both have been working out with Fitzgerald.
Carter helped Fitzgerald last week!
Fitzgerald is still working with Sid and JJ.

I'm excited for this group.
I think with JJ, BB, Rice, Harvin, and Reynaud / Wade we have a very explosive group.


too bad one will probably have to go.

Garland Greene
08-02-2009, 10:41 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Everyone knew he was insane


Apparently He has done a complete 180 on his stance for Jaymar

http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50283

Re: Jaymar Johnson is making a name for himself...

Postby VikingsTw on Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:39 pm
It's OK to be exited about Jaymar Johnson, he's a good football player. I was exited for him LAST Year.

V4L
08-02-2009, 11:10 AM
"Garland" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Everyone knew he was insane


Apparently He has done a complete 180 on his stance for Jaymar

http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50283

Re: Jaymar Johnson is making a name for himself...

Postby VikingsTw on Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:39 pm
It's OK to be exited about Jaymar Johnson, he's a good football player. I was exited for him LAST Year.



Haha nice catch man!

I wonder why he's doing that