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Garland Greene
05-12-2008, 05:09 PM
Under Jottings

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/18850174.html?page=3&c=y

After investigating the incident, the Vikings front office questions the details reported by Florida newspapers following Bryant McKinnie's arrest in February outside a Miami nightclub. People close to the left tackle have said the whole thing was blown out of proportion

VikingsTw
05-12-2008, 05:14 PM
I seen this reported a couple weeks back and it made me wonder if he's gonna get suspended at all. From the original story I read he spit on someone, hit someone with a poll, got kicked out and came back to get involved in a street brawl where he was seen throwing punches, then he got on a bus and resisted arrest.

It seems a story with that much detail would certainly have some truth to it but we'll see. Best case cenerio he is proven inocent and gets back on track where he was last year, completing his best season.

Mr-holland
05-12-2008, 05:30 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


I seen this reported a couple weeks back and it made me wonder if he's gonna get suspended at all. From the original story I read he spit on someone, hit someone with a poll, got kicked out and came back to get involved in a street brawl where he was seen throwing punches, then he got on a bus and resisted arrest.

It seems a story with that much detail would certainly have some truth to it but we'll see. Best case cenerio he is proven inocent and gets back on track where he was last year, completing his best season.


I don't call that details but incidents which can be made up. Ofcourse they can be true but only if serveral people reported it.

When is his hearing?

NordicNed
05-12-2008, 05:33 PM
IF the spit don't fit, you must equit....LOL

kevoncox
05-12-2008, 05:38 PM
I don't want to say i told you so but ::).
Lol, actually I am still reserving judgement. I don't know what happened and I haven't heard it from Mac. Just like Benson. Everyone assumed he was drinking and fighting with police. However, the truth comes out that he may have been drinking but he was tackled by police and maced.

The tiger that leaps before looking, teeth ends up crooked.

cajunvike
05-12-2008, 05:45 PM
Vikes should make a deal with the Texans for Ephraim Salaam...he will most likely get beat out by a good young LT in Duane Brown in training camp.
He is just the type of guy who could step in for McKinnie while he is out and provide needed depth on the Vikings OL.
Heck, a vet like him would probably jump at the chance to play for a team like the Vikings and to block for Peterson instead of that motley crew of RBs that the Texans have.

cajunvike
05-12-2008, 05:46 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


IF the spit don't fit, you must equit....LOL


ACQUIT...but we get your point!
;)

cajunvike
05-12-2008, 05:46 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I seen this reported a couple weeks back and it made me wonder if he's gonna get suspended at all. From the original story I read he spit on someone, hit someone with a poll, got kicked out and came back to get involved in a street brawl where he was seen throwing punches, then he got on a bus and resisted arrest.

It seems a story with that much detail would certainly have some truth to it but we'll see. Best case cenerio he is proven inocent and gets back on track where he was last year, completing his best season.


I don't call that details but incidents which can be made up. Ofcourse they can be true but only if serveral people reported it.

When is his hearing?

June 2nd, if I remember right.

FuadFan
05-12-2008, 05:53 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


Vikes should make a deal with the Texans for Ephraim Salaam...he will most likely get beat out by a good young LT in Duane Brown in training camp.
He is just the type of guy who could step in for McKinnie while he is out and provide needed depth on the Vikings OL.
Heck, a vet like him would probably jump at the chance to play for a team like the Vikings and to block for Peterson instead of that motley crew of RBs that the Texans have.



I can't say the thought of having a Houston Texans offensive lineman is an idea I'd ever agree with.


I am interested to find out the truth of what was overblown, did he not hit him with a pole? did the bouncer actually start the fight? I'm curious as to what the truth will turn out to be.

ThorSPL
05-12-2008, 06:50 PM
"FuadFan" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


Vikes should make a deal with the Texans for Ephraim Salaam...he will most likely get beat out by a good young LT in Duane Brown in training camp.
He is just the type of guy who could step in for McKinnie while he is out and provide needed depth on the Vikings OL.
Heck, a vet like him would probably jump at the chance to play for a team like the Vikings and to block for Peterson instead of that motley crew of RBs that the Texans have.



I can't say the thought of having a Houston Texans offensive lineman is an idea I'd ever agree with.


I am interested to find out the truth of what was overblown, did he not hit him with a pole? did the bouncer actually start the fight? I'm curious as to what the truth will turn out to be.


HAHA, with their history, even the starter should scare you!

BUT I don't know the person at all

singersp
05-12-2008, 06:54 PM
McKinney incident: Overblown?

Nope

mountainviking
05-12-2008, 07:07 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


IF the spit don't fit, you must acquit....LOL

LOL!!!
Frickin Funny!

I've been pretty hard on the whole McKinnie thing, but I'd love to find out that it wasn't what we've heard!
Bouncers can be AHoles, but picking a fight with one is never a good idea...they've usually got backup, and when the cops get there they are much more likely to believe the guy on the clock than the guy with booze on his breath.

Since we pretty much skipped OT in the draft, I was pretty sure our TOA thought they had it covered.
We'll see...June 2.


Salaam played for the Broncos for a few years, and followed the old zone OL guy to Houston, so he'd be a fit as far as knowledge goes...

cajunvike
05-12-2008, 07:13 PM
"ThorSPL" wrote:


"FuadFan" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


Vikes should make a deal with the Texans for Ephraim Salaam...he will most likely get beat out by a good young LT in Duane Brown in training camp.
He is just the type of guy who could step in for McKinnie while he is out and provide needed depth on the Vikings OL.
Heck, a vet like him would probably jump at the chance to play for a team like the Vikings and to block for Peterson instead of that motley crew of RBs that the Texans have.



I can't say the thought of having a Houston Texans offensive lineman is an idea I'd ever agree with.


I am interested to find out the truth of what was overblown, did he not hit him with a pole? did the bouncer actually start the fight? I'm curious as to what the truth will turn out to be.


HAHA, with their history, even the starter should scare you!

BUT I don't know the person at all


The guy would be a better option than Artis Hicks...and probably Chase Johnson as well.

Chazz
05-12-2008, 10:54 PM
He returned to a bar that he had a police escort out, then returned only to end up hitting the bouncer over the head with a metal pole. How is that overblown? He is the one that returned to the seen of an earlier conflict, which makes him the agressor, which is agravated assult, which is a felony. Overblown? Not likely.

Schutz
05-12-2008, 11:00 PM
"Chazz" wrote:


He returned to a bar that he had a police escort out, then returned only to end up hitting the bouncer over the head with a metal pole. How is that overblown? He is the one that returned to the seen of an earlier conflict, which makes him the agressor, which is agravated assult, which is a felony. Overblown? Not likely.


So you were there?
Or are you the judge and jury?
The article just points out that reports coming out might have been inaccurate, and they may have been we don't know.
Why don't you wait until the court date before knowing what happened.

Chazz
05-12-2008, 11:23 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"Chazz" wrote:


He returned to a bar that he had a police escort out, then returned only to end up hitting the bouncer over the head with a metal pole. How is that overblown? He is the one that returned to the seen of an earlier conflict, which makes him the agressor, which is agravated assult, which is a felony. Overblown? Not likely.


So you were there?
Or are you the judge and jury?
The article just points out that reports coming out might have been inaccurate, and they may have been we don't know.
Why don't you wait until the court date before knowing what happened.




People close to the left tackle have said the whole thing was blown out of proportion


So, in other words, his friends. Of course they would say that.

This article says nothing, just says "overblown" with nothing to back it up except "people close to left tackle".

As a person...I know that when you go back to see someone who you were in a fight with earlier....its not to sell him Avon. Or do you think that the part where he returned back to the club hours later is a farse?

Schutz
05-12-2008, 11:36 PM
"Chazz" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"Chazz" wrote:


He returned to a bar that he had a police escort out, then returned only to end up hitting the bouncer over the head with a metal pole. How is that overblown? He is the one that returned to the seen of an earlier conflict, which makes him the agressor, which is agravated assult, which is a felony. Overblown? Not likely.


So you were there?
Or are you the judge and jury?
The article just points out that reports coming out might have been inaccurate, and they may have been we don't know.
Why don't you wait until the court date before knowing what happened.




People close to the left tackle have said the whole thing was blown out of proportion


So, in other words, his friends. Of course they would say that.

This article says nothing, just says "overblown" with nothing to back it up except "people close to left tackle".

As a person...I know that when you go back to see someone who you were in a fight with earlier....its not to sell him Avon. Or do you think that the part where he returned back to the club hours later is a farse?


I don't know, that's the whole freaking point.
How about we wait until he has a court date before talking about what he did or didn't do.
We have a justice system for a reason, and if there is such an overwhelming evidence against him like you seem to know he will be found guilty and you can go on and on about this then.

PacNWVike
05-12-2008, 11:42 PM
I wonder if the club has security cameras, both inside and out.
Also wonder if the FL cops have video cameras in their cars.
As Schutz stated, let's see what shakes out in court.

kevoncox
05-12-2008, 11:46 PM
Glad to see clearer heads have prevail. I was waiting for the Mac haters to rear their heads.
No sign of them?

PacNWVike
05-12-2008, 11:49 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


Glad to see clearer heads have prevail. I was waiting for the Mac haters to rear their heads.
No sign of them?


I'm not a huge fan of Big Mac, but everyone deserves their day in court.
;)

DustinDupont
05-12-2008, 11:52 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


Glad to see clearer heads have prevail. I was waiting for the Mac haters to rear their heads.
No sign of them?


everyone just doesnt want him to get suspended

cajunvike
05-12-2008, 11:57 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"Chazz" wrote:


He returned to a bar that he had a police escort out, then returned only to end up hitting the bouncer over the head with a metal pole. How is that overblown? He is the one that returned to the seen of an earlier conflict, which makes him the agressor, which is agravated assult, which is a felony. Overblown? Not likely.


So you were there?
Or are you the judge and jury?
The article just points out that reports coming out might have been inaccurate, and they may have been we don't know.
Why don't you wait until the court date before knowing what happened.


Didn't quite work that way for any other sports figures in recent memory...hmmm.
The court of public opinion will ALWAYS pass judgment before the judicial system does.
Which is one of the main reasons that in a jury trial, the judge usually sequesters the jury...so that they can't read the newspapers.
That is just the way it goes....not right, but realistic.

kevoncox
05-13-2008, 12:04 AM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"Chazz" wrote:


He returned to a bar that he had a police escort out, then returned only to end up hitting the bouncer over the head with a metal pole. How is that overblown? He is the one that returned to the seen of an earlier conflict, which makes him the agressor, which is agravated assult, which is a felony. Overblown? Not likely.


So you were there?
Or are you the judge and jury?
The article just points out that reports coming out might have been inaccurate, and they may have been we don't know.
Why don't you wait until the court date before knowing what happened.


Didn't quite work that way for any other sports figures in recent memory...hmmm.
The court of public opinion will ALWAYS pass judgment before the judicial system does.
Which is one of the main reasons that in a jury trial, the judge usually sequesters the jury...so that they can't read the newspapers.
That is just the way it goes....not right, but realistic.

Too bad most jury trails start about 6 monthst after ESPN has beat it to death and public opinion has already made up their minds. ould you imagine if PPO was his jury pool. OMG...he would do life!

Mr Anderson
05-13-2008, 12:10 AM
McKinnie.

digital420
05-13-2008, 03:04 AM
my dad said about BidMck, "He will wake up now that he's under the wrong kind of attention. He'll see the amounts of money leaving for other players who are proving their worth on the field, and keepin their noses clean off the field.
You'll see. this will be a break out year for him, and he'll struggle to prove that his off the field probs are over.. at least till he gets a new contract."

i'm kinda with him, at least hoping that bigMck realizes this.. otherwise.. it's gonna be a long season..

DiGiTaL

ragz
05-13-2008, 03:13 AM
i hope its true, but it could just be spin as usual.
i mean what are they gonna do come out and say he was acting like a crazy person.
and the bit about the vikings being more active to get a tackle in the draft is kinda crap.
i mean we didn't have much leverage in moving around, and the run on tackles went pretty quickly.
unless he's talking about reaching for one.
my feeling is he's getting charged so something happened.
would it be the first time something got blown up and it's not as bad as we think it might be, sure.
i would just prefer not to deal with it at all.
i'm one to expect the worse so that if it turns out not to be bad, and no suspension is required i'm super elated.
cuz as much as i dog mckinnie, bottom line is if he's there to start the season we are in much better shape than if he's not.

singersp
05-13-2008, 04:34 AM
"kevoncox" wrote:


Glad to see clearer heads have prevail. I was waiting for the Mac haters to rear their heads.
No sign of them?


What clearer heads? Heads of people who were not even there?

The police were called & he was told to leave by a police officer for a reason the first time & arrested for a reason the second time. Let's not forget that.

Nowhere in any of the other reports did I read of anyone else getting arrested in this incident.

Mr-holland
05-13-2008, 05:09 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Glad to see clearer heads have prevail. I was waiting for the Mac haters to rear their heads.
No sign of them?


What clearer heads? Heads of people who were not even there?

The police were called & he was told to leave by a police officer for a reason the first time & arrested for a reason the second time. Let's not forget that.

Nowhere in any of the other reports did I read of anyone else getting arrested in this incident.


There are always 2 sides of 1 story but as you said, he was arrested for a reason.
This article makes people believe it wasn't a big of a deal but in reality we just don't know and have to believe the eye-witnesses.

singersp
05-13-2008, 05:21 AM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Glad to see clearer heads have prevail. I was waiting for the Mac haters to rear their heads.
No sign of them?


What clearer heads? Heads of people who were not even there?

The police were called & he was told to leave by a police officer for a reason the first time & arrested for a reason the second time. Let's not forget that.

Nowhere in any of the other reports did I read of anyone else getting arrested in this incident.


There are always 2 sides of 1 story but as you said, he was arrested for a reason.
This article makes people believe it wasn't a big of a deal but in reality we just don't know and have to believe the eye-witnesses.


I'll take the side of the eye-witnesses over friends that may not have even been there. There have been no mention of friends at the incident that I know of.

What we do know is that McKinnie used a pole to assault him. What's probably being blown out of proportion is the extent of which that pole was used. Did he beat him with it or did he simply throw it at him?

Remember the chair incident in the Vikings locker room? The first reports made one believe that he picked it up & hit another player with it ala the WWE, but when it came out at the end of the day Taylor (I believe it was him) threw the chair in his direction & it actually hit McKinnie instead of his intended target. (Forgot who that was).

Either way you look at it, McKinnie was involved in a brawl which violates the Code of Conduct. I expect some type of punishment, but to what extent won't be determined until after the findings & the ruling happens in court.

mountainviking
05-13-2008, 02:55 PM
Hey, I was back there on page 1 or 2 saying I hope its not what we think!
Sure we're better with him than without him at this point, but the fact remains, that he is a great run blocker, but not so agile nor swift against speed rushers in pass blocking!!
Perhaps, even overpaid judging by his lack of consistency in that department.

Yeah, I guess it came down to them not thinking Carl Nicks or Tony Hills or any of the OTs left later in the draft were going to offer a better option than what we already have (Hicks and Chase or Marcus?) should McKinnie be suspended and/or in jail for part or all of the season.
I don't see our lack of picks as much of a hinderance, given the three trades we were still able to make to move up and get the guys we wanted.
If they really saw it as a problem, we could have pulled a move like DENs last year, trading a 3rd next for a 4th now...or some such thing.

IF he gets off, it very well should be a freakin wakeup call!!
Most of us don't get the oppurtunity to make millions a year while playing a game!
Depending on how this pans out, he could find himself teetering on the brink of the end of his career.

NodakPaul
05-13-2008, 03:40 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"Chazz" wrote:


He returned to a bar that he had a police escort out, then returned only to end up hitting the bouncer over the head with a metal pole. How is that overblown? He is the one that returned to the seen of an earlier conflict, which makes him the agressor, which is agravated assult, which is a felony. Overblown? Not likely.


So you were there?
Or are you the judge and jury?
The article just points out that reports coming out might have been inaccurate, and they may have been we don't know.
Why don't you wait until the court date before knowing what happened.


Didn't quite work that way for any other sports figures in recent memory...hmmm.
The court of public opinion will ALWAYS pass judgment before the judicial system does.
Which is one of the main reasons that in a jury trial, the judge usually sequesters the jury...so that they can't read the newspapers.
That is just the way it goes....not right, but realistic.

Too bad most jury trails start about 6 monthst after ESPN has beat it to death and public opinion has already made up their minds. ould you imagine if PPO was his jury pool. OMG...he would do life!


That is part of what you accept when you become a professional athlete.
It comes with the millions and millions of dollars that he is making.
If he doesn't like being in the spotlight, then he can return those millions and go work in an office somewhere.

Besides, I haven't seen anything to make me think that the incident was "overblown".
If he has his court data and is found guilty, I will happily admit I was wrong.
I just don't think that is going to happen though.

Chazz
05-13-2008, 05:02 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


Glad to see clearer heads have prevail. I was waiting for the Mac haters to rear their heads.
No sign of them?


What clearer heads? Heads of people who were not even there?

The police were called & he was told to leave by a police officer for a reason the first time & arrested for a reason the second time. Let's not forget that.

Nowhere in any of the other reports did I read of anyone else getting arrested in this incident.



This is what people seem to want to forget. Its a fact that he was told to leave the club by the police, the reason for it is quite irrelevent. Returning back there makes him the agressor and if he hit the guy it is automatically aggravated assult; which is a felony. If he didn't hit the guy, it is still simple assult for comming at him in a threating mannor.

I know that if it was me or you that did something like this, we would be looking at a prison sentence. We have to wait and see whats in store for Bmac.

One thing to remember is...even if hes not convicted he could still get suspended.

singersp
05-13-2008, 07:53 PM
"digital420" wrote:


my dad said about BidMck, "He will wake up now that he's under the wrong kind of attention. He'll see the amounts of money leaving for other players who are proving their worth on the field, and keepin their noses clean off the field.
You'll see. this will be a break out year for him, and he'll struggle to prove that his off the field probs are over.. at least till he gets a new contract."

i'm kinda with him, at least hoping that bigMck realizes this.. otherwise.. it's gonna be a long season..

DiGiTaL


News flash! McKinnie already got his big payday.

NodakPaul
05-13-2008, 08:01 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"digital420" wrote:


my dad said about BidMck, "He will wake up now that he's under the wrong kind of attention. He'll see the amounts of money leaving for other players who are proving their worth on the field, and keepin their noses clean off the field.
You'll see. this will be a break out year for him, and he'll struggle to prove that his off the field probs are over.. at least till he gets a new contract."

i'm kinda with him, at least hoping that bigMck realizes this.. otherwise.. it's gonna be a long season..

DiGiTaL


News flash! McKinnie already got his big payday.


I think that is the problem.