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HEY
04-23-2008, 12:23 PM
I just wondered, who will be the starting defensive linemen for the Vikings in 2008 and in which position? Much have happened the past couple of days and it has only been good news.


:)
Kenechi Udeze has recovered from his illness and looks fit to play for the Vikings again.
Jared Allen is now a Viking after a trade in which we gave Kansa City Chiefs one 1st round pick and two 3rd round picks in this years draft (correct me if I'm wrong)

So how would the line-up at D-line look like next season? (In particular the defensive ends since I think it's pretty clear that we'll keep the Williams brothers in the middle)
Maybe Udeze on one side and Allen on the other... We definitely have to keep the pro-bowler Allen on the field, but where would he play, left side or right side?

... And while we're at it. Who would claim the Vikings have the best defensive line in the league? I would!
Of four guys, three have been to the Pro Bowl. The Williams Wall is well know and feared by every running back and Jared Allen led the league in sacks last season. Enough said!!!

Purple Floyd
04-23-2008, 12:25 PM
Allen at RDE then KW, PW and Edwards at LDE

i_bleed_purple
04-23-2008, 12:26 PM
I could see it working like this


LDE





DT





DT





RDE

Allen



KWill




PWill




Robison/
Mitchell



















Edwards
Robison


Robison and Edwards would rotate in and out just like AD/CT did last year
Allen gets moved to LDE since we have noone to play LDE, and he'll match up against the opposing teams weak side.

HEY
04-23-2008, 12:29 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


I could see it working like this


LDE






DT






DT






RDE

Allen




KWill





PWill





Robison/
Mitchell




















Edwards
Robison


Robison and Edwards would rotate in and out just like AD/CT did last year
Allen gets moved to LDE since we have noone to play LDE, and he'll match up against the opposing teams weak side.


What about Udeze?

snowinapril
04-23-2008, 12:29 PM
Will Udeze be put on the PUP list?

Allen KW PW and Robison
look good to me.

We have Evans as a back up for the DT spots.

We took on some no namers from other teams this offseason which will provide competition for back up positions.

Marrdro
04-23-2008, 12:31 PM
Keneche will come back and take back his role as our best LDE, until then.......

RDE - Robison beats our Edwards but still combine to make life hell from that side
DT - Kevin\Evans\Wyms
DT - Phat Pat\Kendrick Allen\Rookie
LDE - Allen\Mitchell\Wyms

91 Ray Edwards DE 23 6-5 268 2 Purdue
73 Otis Grigsby DE 27 6-3 260 2 Kentucky
99 Erasmus James DE 25 6-4 266 3 Wisconsin
92 Jayme Mitchell DE 24 6-6 285 2 Mississippi
96 Brian Robison DE 24 6-3 267 R Texas
95 Kenechi Udeze DE 25 6-3 281 4 USC
67 Kenderick Allen DT 29 6-5 328 5 LSU
90 Fred Evans DT 24 6-4 305 2 Texas State

95 Ellis Wyms DT 29 6-3 290 7 Mississippi State
93 Kevin Williams DL 27 6-5 311 5 Oklahoma State
94 Pat Williams DL 35 6-3 317 11 Texas


DL will take up 10 roster positions this year and will have some many different looks that you guys will get confused who will be starting and what position they play.
;D

Braddock
04-23-2008, 12:37 PM
"HEY" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


I could see it working like this


LDE






DT






DT






RDE

Allen




KWill





PWill





Robison/
Mitchell




















Edwards
Robison


Robison and Edwards would rotate in and out just like AD/CT did last year
Allen gets moved to LDE since we have noone to play LDE, and he'll match up against the opposing teams weak side.


What about Udeze?


It's call leukemia.... yes it's in remission, but it's not like the flu...... he still needs to have the surgery and received donated bone marrow....... are you really this ignorant to this disease?

snowinapril
04-23-2008, 12:40 PM
BTW, isn't Allen a RDE?

If that is true, why move him?

On the KC site, they have him lined up against the LT.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/depthchart?team=KC

snowinapril
04-23-2008, 12:41 PM
"Braddock" wrote:


"HEY" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


I could see it working like this


LDE





DT





DT





RDE

Allen



KWill




PWill




Robison/
Mitchell



















Edwards
Robison


Robison and Edwards would rotate in and out just like AD/CT did last year
Allen gets moved to LDE since we have noone to play LDE, and he'll match up against the opposing teams weak side.


What about Udeze?


It's call leukemia.... yes it's in remission, but it's not like the flu...... he still needs to have the surgery and received donated bone marrow....... are you really this ignorant to this disease?


Uncalled for!

Educating is one thing, belittling is another.

C Mac D
04-23-2008, 12:43 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


I could see it working like this


LDE





DT





DT





RDE

Allen



KWill




PWill




Robison/
Mitchell



















Edwards
Robison


Robison and Edwards would rotate in and out just like AD/CT did last year
Allen gets moved to LDE since we have noone to play LDE, and he'll match up against the opposing teams weak side.


I like this line-up a lot. I hope Robison is a starter for the 2008 season.

What about James, I mean... I know he's no great shakes, but he can step up and play a role as well.

Garland Greene
04-23-2008, 12:47 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Keneche will come back and take back his role as our best LDE, until then.......

RDE - Robison beats our Edwards but still combine to make life hell from that side
DT - Kevin\Evans\Wyms
DT - Phat Pat\Kendrick Allen\Rookie
LDE - Allen\Mitchell\Wyms

91 Ray Edwards DE 23 6-5 268 2 Purdue
73 Otis Grigsby DE 27 6-3 260 2 Kentucky
99 Erasmus James DE 25 6-4 266 3 Wisconsin
92 Jayme Mitchell DE 24 6-6 285 2 Mississippi
96 Brian Robison DE 24 6-3 267 R Texas
95 Kenechi Udeze DE 25 6-3 281 4 USC
67 Kenderick Allen DT 29 6-5 328 5 LSU
90 Fred Evans DT 24 6-4 305 2 Texas State

95 Ellis Wyms DT 29 6-3 290 7 Mississippi State
93 Kevin Williams DL 27 6-5 311 5 Oklahoma State
94 Pat Williams DL 35 6-3 317 11 Texas


DL will take up 10 roster positions this year and will have some many different looks that you guys will get confused who will be starting and what position they play.
;D


I think there will be a draft pick in that mix somewhere

Marrdro
04-23-2008, 12:56 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Keneche will come back and take back his role as our best LDE, until then.......

RDE - Robison beats our Edwards but still combine to make life hell from that side
DT - Kevin\Evans\Wyms
DT - Phat Pat\Kendrick Allen\Rookie
LDE - Allen\Mitchell\Wyms

91 Ray Edwards DE 23 6-5 268 2 Purdue
73 Otis Grigsby DE 27 6-3 260 2 Kentucky
99 Erasmus James DE 25 6-4 266 3 Wisconsin
92 Jayme Mitchell DE 24 6-6 285 2 Mississippi
96 Brian Robison DE 24 6-3 267 R Texas
95 Kenechi Udeze DE 25 6-3 281 4 USC
67 Kenderick Allen DT 29 6-5 328 5 LSU
90 Fred Evans DT 24 6-4 305 2 Texas State

95 Ellis Wyms DT 29 6-3 290 7 Mississippi State
93 Kevin Williams DL 27 6-5 311 5 Oklahoma State
94 Pat Williams DL 35 6-3 317 11 Texas


DL will take up 10 roster positions this year and will have some many different looks that you guys will get confused who will be starting and what position they play.
;D


I think there will be a draft pick in that mix somewhere

I agree. I have a spot for him (3rd behind Phat Pat).

Marrdro
04-23-2008, 12:58 PM
"Braddock" wrote:


"HEY" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


I could see it working like this


LDE






DT






DT






RDE

Allen




KWill





PWill





Robison/
Mitchell




















Edwards
Robison


Robison and Edwards would rotate in and out just like AD/CT did last year
Allen gets moved to LDE since we have noone to play LDE, and he'll match up against the opposing teams weak side.


What about Udeze?


It's call leukemia.... yes it's in remission, but it's not like the flu...... he still needs to have the surgery and received donated bone marrow....... are you really this ignorant to this disease?

Be nice.

HEY, he isn't gonna be ready to play this year.
We are all hoping for the best and that is he will not only beat this thing but he will be ready for next year.
;D

vikes2456
04-23-2008, 01:02 PM
I was just thinking that we went from having a DE problem to having great depth at DE. Especially if Udeze and James can come back, we will have a surplus of servicable DEs. Meaning that we would be able to rotate them all in and out to keep them fresh

Purple Floyd
04-23-2008, 01:02 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


BTW, isn't Allen a RDE?

If that is true, why move him?

On the KC site, they have him lined up against the LT.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/depthchart?team=KC


Don't bring facts and logic into the equation

i_bleed_purple
04-23-2008, 01:05 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


BTW, isn't Allen a RDE?

If that is true, why move him?

On the KC site, they have him lined up against the LT.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/depthchart?team=KC


Don't bring facts and logic into the equation


Yes, allen is a RE, but if we play him at RE, we have next to noone for LE.
Robison and Edwards are RE, and can both make an impact by rotating in and out.
If we played Allen at RE, they would see very little playing time.
IMO, by moving Allen to LE, it allows our young pllaymakers tto play a position they are more suited for, because although they have played it a little bit, neither would make a great LDE

midgensa
04-23-2008, 01:15 PM
Obviously, Udeze will not be back next year ... so we are looking at Edwards more than likely joining Allen and the Williamses.
I say we leave Allen on the right side where he is comfortable and where he will be handling the teams best offensive lineman (LT). I think Edwards would do just fine on the Left and Robison should be ok on pass-rushing downs.

HEY
04-23-2008, 01:21 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Braddock" wrote:


"HEY" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


I could see it working like this


LDE






DT






DT






RDE

Allen




KWill





PWill





Robison/
Mitchell




















Edwards
Robison


Robison and Edwards would rotate in and out just like AD/CT did last year
Allen gets moved to LDE since we have noone to play LDE, and he'll match up against the opposing teams weak side.


What about Udeze?


It's call leukemia.... yes it's in remission, but it's not like the flu...... he still needs to have the surgery and received donated bone marrow....... are you really this ignorant to this disease?

Be nice.

HEY, he isn't gonna be ready to play this year.
We are all hoping for the best and that is he will not only beat this thing but he will be ready for next year.

;D


Thanks Marrdo!

Oh and Braddock. Not ignorant, just optimistic
;)

HEY
04-23-2008, 01:24 PM
"vikes2456" wrote:


I was just thinking that we went from having a DE problem to having great depth at DE. Especially if Udeze and James can come back, we will have a surplus of servicable DEs. Meaning that we would be able to rotate them all in and out to keep them fresh


Yes, I was just thinking the same.
Wow, what a beautiful day this has been
;D ;D
Can't wait for the draft.

i_bleed_purple
04-23-2008, 01:26 PM
"midgensa" wrote:


Obviously, Udeze will not be back next year ... so we are looking at Edwards more than likely joining Allen and the Williamses.
I say we leave Allen on the right side where he is comfortable and where he will be handling the teams best offensive lineman (LT). I think Edwards would do just fine on the Left and Robison should be ok on pass-rushing downs.

I was thinking the opposite in regards to Robison/Edwards

I think Robison would make a better every down player than Edwards, especially on the Left Side.
I doubt one will be brought in exclusively on passing downs.
I think it will just be a regular rotation, every few plays change it up unless one of them in really on fire one drive.

snowinapril
04-23-2008, 01:32 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


BTW, isn't Allen a RDE?

If that is true, why move him?

On the KC site, they have him lined up against the LT.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/depthchart?team=KC


Don't bring facts and logic into the equation


Yes, allen is a RE, but if we play him at RE, we have next to noone for LE.
Robison and Edwards are RE, and can both make an impact by rotating in and out.
If we played Allen at RE, they would see very little playing time.
IMO, by moving Allen to LE, it allows our young pllaymakers tto play a position they are more suited for, because although they have played it a little bit, neither would make a great LDE


In some circles, it is not considered
good to F with a good thing...... LOL!

I like Allen attacking the QBs blind side.

DustinDupont
04-23-2008, 01:34 PM
I really think Allen is gonna start at RE... with Edwards on the other side, i see Edwards every week and it seems like he has gotten a lot bigger, and i think he could play the LE

Although i could see Allen switching from RE to LE when ever Edwards and Robison switch in and out.... when Robison would be in he would play RE and Allen would move over to LE. And when Edwards would be in he would play the LE, i think that would be Cool because then Allen would be able to fuck with both tackles throughout the game!!!

i_bleed_purple
04-23-2008, 01:35 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


BTW, isn't Allen a RDE?

If that is true, why move him?

On the KC site, they have him lined up against the LT.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/depthchart?team=KC


Don't bring facts and logic into the equation


Yes, allen is a RE, but if we play him at RE, we have next to noone for LE.
Robison and Edwards are RE, and can both make an impact by rotating in and out.
If we played Allen at RE, they would see very little playing time.
IMO, by moving Allen to LE, it allows our young pllaymakers tto play a position they are more suited for, because although they have played it a little bit, neither would make a great LDE


In some circles, it is not considered
good to F with a good thing...... LOL!

I like Allen attacking the QBs blind side.


then who would you put at LE?
Neither Robison or Edwards are really suited for LDE, and if you put Allen at RE, that means they won't see much playing time.
I like Allen blowing up their weaker RT, then hitting the qb while he's not looking.
REally, the only side of a qb which is not blind is straight through the Centere.
If the QB is not looking to throw a quick out to the right side, he won't even see the LDE coming in for the sack

snowinapril
04-23-2008, 01:40 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


BTW, isn't Allen a RDE?

If that is true, why move him?

On the KC site, they have him lined up against the LT.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/depthchart?team=KC


Don't bring facts and logic into the equation


Yes, allen is a RE, but if we play him at RE, we have next to noone for LE.
Robison and Edwards are RE, and can both make an impact by rotating in and out.
If we played Allen at RE, they would see very little playing time.
IMO, by moving Allen to LE, it allows our young pllaymakers tto play a position they are more suited for, because although they have played it a little bit, neither would make a great LDE


In some circles, it is not considered
good to F with a good thing...... LOL!

I like Allen attacking the QBs blind side.


then who would you put at LE?
Neither Robison or Edwards are really suited for LDE, and if you put Allen at RE, that means they won't see much playing time.
I like Allen blowing up their weaker RT, then hitting the qb while he's not looking.
REally, the only side of a qb which is not blind is straight through the Centere.
If the QB is not looking to throw a quick out to the right side, he won't even see the LDE coming in for the sack


Make them learn, the best one starts.

Also, the RDE gets up the field and
usually comes at the QB from directly behind him.
Peripheral vision doesn't work through the back of the helmet.

seaniemck7
04-23-2008, 01:44 PM
"DustinDupont" wrote:


I really think Allen is gonna start at RE... with Edwards on the other side, i see Edwards every week and it seems like he has gotten a lot bigger, and i think he could play the LE

Although i could see Allen switching from RE to LE when ever Edwards and Robison switch in and out.... when Robison would be in he would play RE and Allen would move over to LE. And when Edwards would be in he would play the LE, i think that would be Cool because then Allen would be able to floop with both tackles throughout the game!!!


Man, sometimes I hate the term "start" when it comes to football.
Essentially "starting" means who is on the field for the first snap for that side of the ball.
Who gives a poop about who/where someone "starts".
This pissed me off to no end all last year with AD/CT.

Really, Allen gives us a DE force that can play practically anywhere on the line, any time during the game.
What I am expecting and hoping for, is to see Allen line up on the left and right throught the game. Then rotate Robison and Edwards where he is not, depending on the DLine call for that down and distance.
JA has the burst and strenght to dominate from either side or even in the middle if we want to get crazy.
This will make sure that the QB, the OT, and center for the other team will HAVE to try and find him every down.
Then stunt the shit out of them all day long.
WTF are you gonna block if you have KW and JA running stunts to side of line...

My prediction?
(besides pain...) A lot of QB shitting themselves next year when they play the Vikes.

Marrdro
04-23-2008, 01:49 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:




BTW, isn't Allen a RDE?

If that is true, why move him?

On the KC site, they have him lined up against the LT.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/depthchart?team=KC


Don't bring facts and logic into the equation


Yes, allen is a RE, but if we play him at RE, we have next to noone for LE.
Robison and Edwards are RE, and can both make an impact by rotating in and out.
If we played Allen at RE, they would see very little playing time.
IMO, by moving Allen to LE, it allows our young pllaymakers tto play a position they are more suited for, because although they have played it a little bit, neither would make a great LDE


In some circles, it is not considered
good to F with a good thing...... LOL!

I like Allen attacking the QBs blind side.


then who would you put at LE?
Neither Robison or Edwards are really suited for LDE, and if you put Allen at RE, that means they won't see much playing time.
I like Allen blowing up their weaker RT, then hitting the qb while he's not looking.
REally, the only side of a qb which is not blind is straight through the Centere.
If the QB is not looking to throw a quick out to the right side, he won't even see the LDE coming in for the sack


Make them learn, the best one starts.

Also, the RDE gets up the field and
usually comes at the QB from directly behind him.
Peripheral vision doesn't work through the back of the helmet.

Lets not forget that because that is usually the Right Handed QB's blind side the LT is the best tackle and the RT is the worst T.
Truth be told he got sacks against us against Cook and he tore the Bengals up on that side as well.

Again, he will line up all over the place in passing situations. Why try and tie him down to the RDE side.
Hell even KC wasn't stupid enough to limit him that way.
;D

Marrdro
04-23-2008, 01:50 PM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


I really think Allen is gonna start at RE... with Edwards on the other side, i see Edwards every week and it seems like he has gotten a lot bigger, and i think he could play the LE

Although i could see Allen switching from RE to LE when ever Edwards and Robison switch in and out.... when Robison would be in he would play RE and Allen would move over to LE. And when Edwards would be in he would play the LE, i think that would be Cool because then Allen would be able to floop with both tackles throughout the game!!!


Man, sometimes I hate the term "start" when it comes to football.
Essentially "starting" means who is on the field for the first snap for that side of the ball.
Who gives a poop about who/where someone "starts".
This pissed me off to no end all last year with AD/CT.

Really, Allen gives us a DE force that can play practically anywhere on the line, any time during the game.
What I am expecting and hoping for, is to see Allen line up on the left and right throught the game. Then rotate Robison and Edwards where he is not, depending on the DLine call for that down and distance.
JA has the burst and strenght to dominate from either side or even in the middle if we want to get crazy.
This will make sure that the QB, the OT, and center for the other team will HAVE to try and find him every down.

Then stunt the pooh out of them all day long.
WTF are you gonna block if you have KW and JA running stunts to side of line...

My prediction?
(besides pain...) A lot of QB poohing themselves next year when they play the Vikes.


Bingo.
Another poster that deserveds to move up on the spread sheet.
Let me check were I got ya my VaBeach friend.
;D

seaniemck7
04-23-2008, 02:14 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"seaniemck7" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


I really think Allen is gonna start at RE... with Edwards on the other side, i see Edwards every week and it seems like he has gotten a lot bigger, and i think he could play the LE

Although i could see Allen switching from RE to LE when ever Edwards and Robison switch in and out.... when Robison would be in he would play RE and Allen would move over to LE. And when Edwards would be in he would play the LE, i think that would be Cool because then Allen would be able to floop with both tackles throughout the game!!!


Man, sometimes I hate the term "start" when it comes to football.
Essentially "starting" means who is on the field for the first snap for that side of the ball.
Who gives a poop about who/where someone "starts".
This pissed me off to no end all last year with AD/CT.

Really, Allen gives us a DE force that can play practically anywhere on the line, any time during the game.
What I am expecting and hoping for, is to see Allen line up on the left and right throught the game. Then rotate Robison and Edwards where he is not, depending on the DLine call for that down and distance.
JA has the burst and strenght to dominate from either side or even in the middle if we want to get crazy.
This will make sure that the QB, the OT, and center for the other team will HAVE to try and find him every down.

Then stunt the pooh out of them all day long.
WTF are you gonna block if you have KW and JA running stunts to side of line...

My prediction?
(besides pain...) A lot of QB poohing themselves next year when they play the Vikes.


Bingo.
Another poster that deserveds to move up on the spread sheet.
Let me check were I got ya my VaBeach friend.

;D


Haha thanks, Marr.
Seriously, Frazier should be doing back flips right now because the addition of Allen will make him look like a genious.

Marrdro
04-23-2008, 02:17 PM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"seaniemck7" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


I really think Allen is gonna start at RE... with Edwards on the other side, i see Edwards every week and it seems like he has gotten a lot bigger, and i think he could play the LE

Although i could see Allen switching from RE to LE when ever Edwards and Robison switch in and out.... when Robison would be in he would play RE and Allen would move over to LE. And when Edwards would be in he would play the LE, i think that would be Cool because then Allen would be able to floop with both tackles throughout the game!!!


Man, sometimes I hate the term "start" when it comes to football.
Essentially "starting" means who is on the field for the first snap for that side of the ball.
Who gives a poop about who/where someone "starts".
This pissed me off to no end all last year with AD/CT.

Really, Allen gives us a DE force that can play practically anywhere on the line, any time during the game.
What I am expecting and hoping for, is to see Allen line up on the left and right throught the game. Then rotate Robison and Edwards where he is not, depending on the DLine call for that down and distance.
JA has the burst and strenght to dominate from either side or even in the middle if we want to get crazy.
This will make sure that the QB, the OT, and center for the other team will HAVE to try and find him every down.

Then stunt the pooh out of them all day long.
WTF are you gonna block if you have KW and JA running stunts to side of line...

My prediction?
(besides pain...) A lot of QB poohing themselves next year when they play the Vikes.


Bingo.
Another poster that deserveds to move up on the spread sheet.
Let me check were I got ya my VaBeach friend.

;D


Haha thanks, Marr.
Seriously, Frazier should be doing back flips right now because the addition of Allen will make him look like a genious.

Hey, quick note.
Try to discourage me from doing backflips at the TN game.
Its funny if I'm not drinking but could get ugly after a few beers and in close quarters like a stadium
;D

V-Unit
04-23-2008, 02:18 PM
The truth is we will rotate all 3 ends, just like we did last year. We rotate DTs too. Sometimes we will have both Williamses and Allen on the field. Other times we will have Robison, Edwards, and Evans all on the field.

As far as the Ends go, Allen is an obvious upgrade over Udeze in that rotation. Can Evans adequately replace Johnson? We'll see.

snowinapril
04-23-2008, 04:00 PM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


I really think Allen is gonna start at RE... with Edwards on the other side, i see Edwards every week and it seems like he has gotten a lot bigger, and i think he could play the LE

Although i could see Allen switching from RE to LE when ever Edwards and Robison switch in and out.... when Robison would be in he would play RE and Allen would move over to LE. And when Edwards would be in he would play the LE, i think that would be Cool because then Allen would be able to floop with both tackles throughout the game!!!


Man, sometimes I hate the term "start" when it comes to football.
Essentially "starting" means who is on the field for the first snap for that side of the ball.
Who gives a poop about who/where someone "starts".
This pissed me off to no end all last year with AD/CT.

Really, Allen gives us a DE force that can play practically anywhere on the line, any time during the game.
What I am expecting and hoping for, is to see Allen line up on the left and right throught the game. Then rotate Robison and Edwards where he is not, depending on the DLine call for that down and distance.
JA has the burst and strenght to dominate from either side or even in the middle if we want to get crazy.
This will make sure that the QB, the OT, and center for the other team will HAVE to try and find him every down.
Then stunt the pooh out of them all day long.
WTF are you gonna block if you have KW and JA running stunts to side of line...

My prediction?
(besides pain...) A lot of QB poohing themselves next year when they play the Vikes.



Start in this case is just another starting point for where he will play most of his plays from, it doesn't have anything to do with literally start.
Heck start him on the Right side and then let him play most of the snaps from the left side where he has played most of his snaps in the NFL.

Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to change, but when you are good at something why mess it up.
If he is indeed good enough to rush equally well from both sides, let him play 50/50 for all I care.

Perfect scenario:
OK JA just got his 2nd sack of the game against the best T on the opposing team.
Drop him over the right tackle (2nd best) and watch the RT poop his pants.

Anyway, there are some chess moves in there somewhere, (not the pooping pants part) that the D Co can put together to utilize Allen and then there is the separate chess match between 2 guys on the field.
Finding the tells and weaknesses of the other guy across the ball from you.

Once again, I am not opposed to change!
But my argument in this situation is that you shouldn't mess with the man's livelihood by asking him to start at LDE.

If AD was a great WR, lined up as a WR, heck put him out there but don't tell me that he is going to play most of the snaps out there.
Heck start (LOL) him at WR.

Vikes_King
04-23-2008, 04:21 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Keneche will come back and take back his role as our best LDE, until then.......

RDE - Robison beats our Edwards but still combine to make life hell from that side
DT - Kevin\Evans\Wyms
DT - Phat Pat\Kendrick Allen\Rookie
LDE - Allen\Mitchell\Wyms

91 Ray Edwards DE 23 6-5 268 2 Purdue
73 Otis Grigsby DE 27 6-3 260 2 Kentucky
99 Erasmus James DE 25 6-4 266 3 Wisconsin
92 Jayme Mitchell DE 24 6-6 285 2 Mississippi
96 Brian Robison DE 24 6-3 267 R Texas
95 Kenechi Udeze DE 25 6-3 281 4 USC
67 Kenderick Allen DT 29 6-5 328 5 LSU
90 Fred Evans DT 24 6-4 305 2 Texas State

95 Ellis Wyms DT 29 6-3 290 7 Mississippi State
93 Kevin Williams DL 27 6-5 311 5 Oklahoma State
94 Pat Williams DL 35 6-3 317 11 Texas


DL will take up 10 roster positions this year and will have some many different looks that you guys will get confused who will be starting and what position they play.
;D



got to this post and stopped reading,
I think you hit the it on the nose here Marr.
The only thing is that I don't know about is the Robison Edwards situation.
I personally believe Edwards will reclaim the starting role again, yes Robison is good... but Edwards will impress this year, he's been working hard and its shown so far this offseason

singersp
04-24-2008, 08:13 AM
Vikings defensive line might be best in NFL (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/18094544.html)

Teams that have double-teamed Kevin Williams and Pat Williams won't be able to do that with Jared Allen around.

By KEVIN SEIFERT, Star Tribune
startribune.com

Last update: April 23, 2008 - 10:31 PM


There was the $74 million contract, of course. The chance for a fresh start in a new community, to be sure. And then there was the little matter of his potential new teammates.....

singersp
04-24-2008, 08:17 AM
Allen's arrival provides a rush (http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_9033714)

By Sean Jensen
sjensen@pioneerpress.com
twincities.com

Article Last Updated: 04/24/2008 12:49:08 AM CDT


Ray Edwards can't wait to face the single blocks that will come when he lines up alongside three Pro Bowl defensive linemates....

V-Unit
04-24-2008, 08:18 AM
"singersp" wrote:


Vikings defensive line might be best in NFL (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/18094544.html)

Teams that have double-teamed Kevin Williams and Pat Williams won't be able to do that with Jared Allen around.

By KEVIN SEIFERT, Star Tribune
startribune.com

Last update: April 23, 2008 - 10:31 PM


There was the $74 million contract, of course. The chance for a fresh start in a new community, to be sure. And then there was the little matter of his potential new teammates.....


Ehh, on first and second downs I agree, but we still might have a little troubule flushing a QB out of the pocket in obvious passing downs. Teams will double Kwill, keep the FB/TE in to help with Allen, and still have 4 receivers running routes. There is still a lot of pressure on Robison and Edwards to excel vs. single coverage. Of course, our 7 LBs and DBs should be able to cover 4 receivers without a doubt.

The quotes from that article kind of show how run-oriented those guys think.

singersp
04-24-2008, 08:27 AM
With Allen, Vikings are in no rush to blitz (http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_9033251)

Pioneer Press
twincities.com

Article Last Updated: 04/23/2008 11:23:54 PM CDT


QUESTIONS WITH BOB SANSEVERE

Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier was smiling Wednesday. No surprise there. The Vikings had just held a news conference introducing defensive end Jared Allen, who led the NFL in sacks last season.....

PAvikesfan
04-24-2008, 05:10 PM
what about Hovan?

































j/k,
:)

NodakPaul
04-24-2008, 05:14 PM
Childress confirmed yesterday that Allen would start at RDE, and Frazier confirmed in today's KFAN interview that Edwards would enter training camp as the starter at LDE.

Marrdro
04-24-2008, 05:17 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress confirmed yesterday that Allen would start at RDE, and Frazier confirmed in today's KFAN interview that Edwards would enter training camp as the starter at LDE.

At 6'5", 268 lbs he has the frame to do it.
Wonder if Mitchell will give him a run over there?

DustinDupont
04-24-2008, 11:45 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress confirmed yesterday that Allen would start at RDE, and Frazier confirmed in today's KFAN interview that Edwards would enter training camp as the starter at LDE.

At 6'5", 268 lbs he has the frame to do it.
Wonder if Mitchell will give him a run over there?


I think Edwards is going to be really good on the left side...

He will be going against the right tackle, usual the weaker of the tackles and we going against him 1 on 1, expect big things out of him!!!

Chazz
04-24-2008, 11:46 PM
Edwards

KW

Allen

Robison



Now I like that formation on passing downs. 8)

Chazz
04-24-2008, 11:49 PM
"DustinDupont" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Childress confirmed yesterday that Allen would start at RDE, and Frazier confirmed in today's KFAN interview that Edwards would enter training camp as the starter at LDE.

At 6'5", 268 lbs he has the frame to do it.
Wonder if Mitchell will give him a run over there?


I think Edwards is going to be really good on the left side...

He will be going against the right tackle, usual the weaker of the tackles and we going against him 1 on 1, expect big things out of him!!!



If Edwards comes up big then grown men will cry weekly. :'( Love the fear in the opposing O-lines eyes. :-*