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kevoncox
04-11-2008, 12:09 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3341554
MIAMI -- A Miami judge has set a June 2 trial date for Minnesota Vikings player Bryant McKinnie on charges arising from a brawl outside a nightclub.

The circuit judge set the case for trial at a brief hearing Friday. McKinnie's attorney and prosecutors said they have not reached any pleal deal.

McKinnie, who did not appear in court, is charged with aggravated battery and several other offenses after a brawl outside downtown Miami's Club Space in February. The 6-foot-8, 335-pound offensive tackle has pleaded not guilty.

McKinnie, 28, played college football at Miami (Fla.) and was drafted in the first round in 2002 by the Vikings. The Vikings have said they will wait until the legal issues are settled before deciding on any disciplinary actions.

Interesting... Best wishes Mac. I hope everything works out for him and he learns from his mistakes and flies straight from now on.

kevoncox
04-11-2008, 12:20 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/11/june-trial-date-set-for-mckinnie/
In 2005 the NFL fined McKinnie a game check for his role in the Vikings’ infamous boat party.

I didn't know about this. He is on a tighter lease than I thought.

dcboardr41
04-11-2008, 12:22 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/11/june-trial-date-set-for-mckinnie/
In 2005 the NFL fined McKinnie a game check for his role in the Vikings’ infamous boat party.

I didn't know about this. He is on a tighter lease than I thought.




He is basically a lighter Pacman, just not as bad.

C Mac D
04-11-2008, 12:24 PM
"dcboardr41" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/11/june-trial-date-set-for-mckinnie/
In 2005 the NFL fined McKinnie a game check for his role in the Vikings’ infamous boat party.

I didn't know about this. He is on a tighter lease than I thought.




He is basically a lighter Pacman, just not as bad.


Or a heavier Pacman... depends how you look at it.

Marrdro
04-11-2008, 12:25 PM
Have I mentioned lately how this whole thing just pisses me off and how dissappointed I am in Big Mac?
>:(

dcboardr41
04-11-2008, 12:25 PM
"C" wrote:


"dcboardr41" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/11/june-trial-date-set-for-mckinnie/
In 2005 the NFL fined McKinnie a game check for his role in the Vikings’ infamous boat party.

I didn't know about this. He is on a tighter lease than I thought.




He is basically a lighter Pacman, just not as bad.


Or a heavier Pacman... depends how you look at it.


lol true true

Overlord
04-11-2008, 12:26 PM
Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.

Zeus
04-11-2008, 12:28 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Have I mentioned lately how this whole thing just pisses me off and how dissappointed I am in Big Mac?

>:(


Because of this off-field incident?
Or because as soon as he got paid, he gained 50 pounds - in his feet?

=Z=

Marrdro
04-11-2008, 12:33 PM
"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


What a great post my friend.
I knew this was serious but I was only looking at it from a NFL/suspension standpoint.

I am sure his lawyer must be advising him to settle out of court wouldn't ya think?

dcboardr41
04-11-2008, 12:35 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


What a great post my friend.
I knew this was serious but I was only looking at it from a NFL/suspension standpoint.

I am sure his lawyer must be advising him to settle out of court wouldn't ya think?


He should get Pacman's lawyer. But on a serious note this looks horrible, maybe drafting an OT in the 1st rd will be the right move
:-

Zeus
04-11-2008, 12:36 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


What a great post my friend.
I knew this was serious but I was only looking at it from a NFL/suspension standpoint.

I am sure his lawyer must be advising him to settle out of court wouldn't ya think?


These are criminal charges - there's no "Out-of-court" anything at this point.
I think you mean "plea bargain" with the DA.

Of course, he's not "guilty", right?
So no "true fan" would advise him to plea, right?

=Z=

kevoncox
04-11-2008, 12:41 PM
I'm not even gonna go there Jupiter. This is a different thread so stay on topic please.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Jupiter_Tonans.jpg/450px-Jupiter_Tonans.jpg

Zeus
04-11-2008, 12:45 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


I'm not even gonna go there Jupiter. This is a different thread so stay on topic please.


http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/450/arb41_450.jpeg

=Z=

kevoncox
04-11-2008, 12:57 PM
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Overlord
04-11-2008, 01:18 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


What a great post my friend.
I knew this was serious but I was only looking at it from a NFL/suspension standpoint.

I am sure his lawyer must be advising him to settle out of court wouldn't ya think?


It depends on what kind of deal they can get.
If the prosecutor thinks the state has a strong case, he or she might not be willing to drop the felony battery charges right now.
If the current offer is reduced jail time, then maybe McKinnie is better off holding out, figuring that the state hasn't made their best offer.
A good resolution for McKinnie, in my opinion and based upon what I've heard, would be a plea deal to a misdemeanor battery charge with any jail time stayed.

Even if McKinnie and his lawyers were satisfied with any plea deal being offered, it might be in his best interest to wait until after the draft to agree to anything.
Basically, with McKinnie's status up in the air, the Vikings aren't sure what their need is at OT going into the draft.
If they don't draft an OT in the first two rounds because of that question, then McKinnie's chances of staying on the team after a guilty plea would increase.
That would mean his chances of keeping all of his signing bonus and current salary would also improve.

NodakPaul
04-11-2008, 01:28 PM
"Overlord" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


What a great post my friend.
I knew this was serious but I was only looking at it from a NFL/suspension standpoint.

I am sure his lawyer must be advising him to settle out of court wouldn't ya think?


It depends on what kind of deal they can get.
If the prosecutor thinks the state has a strong case, he or she might not be willing to drop the felony battery charges right now.
If the current offer is reduced jail time, then maybe McKinnie is better off holding out, figuring that the state hasn't made their best offer.
A good resolution for McKinnie, in my opinion and based upon what I've heard, would be a plea deal to a misdemeanor battery charge with any jail time stayed.

Even if McKinnie and his lawyers were satisfied with any plea deal being offered, it might be in his best interest to wait until after the draft to agree to anything.
Basically, with McKinnie's status up in the air, the Vikings aren't sure what their need is at OT going into the draft.
If they don't draft an OT in the first two rounds because of that question, then McKinnie's chances of staying on the team after a guilty plea would increase.
That would mean his chances of keeping all of his signing bonus and current salary would also improve.


That is exactly what I was thinking.
I strongly feel that we should go OT in round 1 or 2 in the event that McKinnie pleads or is found guilty.
If he is found innocent, then at worst we have some solid depth at the position.

jmcdon00
04-11-2008, 01:31 PM
"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


3 to 4 years in prison seems fair to me. A man of his size and strength could easily have killed somebody. My fear was that he would buy his way out of trouble, I don't think that is an option anymore though.I think the vikings needs to start planning on him not being on the field this season or ever again. If he does get out of this and makes a comeback that is just a bonus.

VikingMike
04-11-2008, 01:45 PM
"Overlord" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


What a great post my friend.
I knew this was serious but I was only looking at it from a NFL/suspension standpoint.

I am sure his lawyer must be advising him to settle out of court wouldn't ya think?


It depends on what kind of deal they can get.
If the prosecutor thinks the state has a strong case, he or she might not be willing to drop the felony battery charges right now.
If the current offer is reduced jail time, then maybe McKinnie is better off holding out, figuring that the state hasn't made their best offer.
A good resolution for McKinnie, in my opinion and based upon what I've heard, would be a plea deal to a misdemeanor battery charge with any jail time stayed.

Even if McKinnie and his lawyers were satisfied with any plea deal being offered, it might be in his best interest to wait until after the draft to agree to anything.
Basically, with McKinnie's status up in the air, the Vikings aren't sure what their need is at OT going into the draft.
If they don't draft an OT in the first two rounds because of that question, then McKinnie's chances of staying on the team after a guilty plea would increase.
That would mean his chances of keeping all of his signing bonus and current salary would also improve.



Good post Overlord...that's a scary proposition for McKinnie (and the Vikes).


Whoever commits aggravated battery shall be guilty of a felony of the second degree

VikingMike
04-11-2008, 01:49 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3341554
MIAMI -- A Miami judge has set a June 2 trial date for Minnesota Vikings player Bryant McKinnie on charges arising from a brawl outside a nightclub.

The circuit judge set the case for trial at a brief hearing Friday. McKinnie's attorney and prosecutors said they have not reached any pleal deal.

McKinnie, who did not appear in court, is charged with aggravated battery and several other offenses after a brawl outside downtown Miami's Club Space in February. The 6-foot-8, 335-pound offensive tackle has pleaded not guilty.

McKinnie, 28, played college football at Miami (Fla.) and was drafted in the first round in 2002 by the Vikings. The Vikings have said they will wait until the legal issues are settled before deciding on any disciplinary actions.

Interesting... Best wishes Mac. I hope everything works out for him and he learns from his mistakes and flies straight from now on.



Not to mention what disciplinary actions will be taken by Goodell. Without a plea deal being accepted, he's swimming in extremely rough waters. Yeah, Marr, this shit really pisses me off too... >:(

happy camper
04-11-2008, 01:52 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


3 to 4 years in prison seems fair to me. A man of his size and strength could easily have killed somebody. My fear was that he would buy his way out of trouble, I don't think that is an option anymore though.I think the vikings needs to start planning on him not being on the field this season or ever again. If he does get out of this and makes a comeback that is just a bonus.


cosigned.

The sooner the Vikings move on the better, I don't care if he is guilty or not in this case, trouble seems to be always close by.

Schutz
04-11-2008, 01:54 PM
"happy" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


3 to 4 years in prison seems fair to me. A man of his size and strength could easily have killed somebody. My fear was that he would buy his way out of trouble, I don't think that is an option anymore though.I think the vikings needs to start planning on him not being on the field this season or ever again. If he does get out of this and makes a comeback that is just a bonus.


cosigned.

The sooner the Vikings move on the better, I don't care if he is guilty or not in this case, trouble seems to be always close by.


Yes who cares about guilt or innocence.
Heck I think we should just give him jail time even if they find him not guilty, trouble seems to follow him so the courts should just take him off the streets for everybody's safety.

happy camper
04-11-2008, 03:58 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


3 to 4 years in prison seems fair to me. A man of his size and strength could easily have killed somebody. My fear was that he would buy his way out of trouble, I don't think that is an option anymore though.I think the vikings needs to start planning on him not being on the field this season or ever again. If he does get out of this and makes a comeback that is just a bonus.


cosigned.

The sooner the Vikings move on the better, I don't care if he is guilty or not in this case, trouble seems to be always close by.


Yes who cares about guilt or innocence.
Heck I think we should just give him jail time even if they find him not guilty, trouble seems to follow him so the courts should just take him off the streets for everybody's safety.


Did I say anything about jail? Or even punishment? Applying your own logic to what I said is just.. dumb.

All I said was the sooner the Vikings move on the better. Meaning, we should look for some talent in case he is not with us longer.

Chazz
04-11-2008, 10:32 PM
"Overlord" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


What a great post my friend.
I knew this was serious but I was only looking at it from a NFL/suspension standpoint.

I am sure his lawyer must be advising him to settle out of court wouldn't ya think?


It depends on what kind of deal they can get.
If the prosecutor thinks the state has a strong case, he or she might not be willing to drop the felony battery charges right now.
If the current offer is reduced jail time, then maybe McKinnie is better off holding out, figuring that the state hasn't made their best offer.
A good resolution for McKinnie, in my opinion and based upon what I've heard, would be a plea deal to a misdemeanor battery charge with any jail time stayed.
Even if McKinnie and his lawyers were satisfied with any plea deal being offered, it might be in his best interest to wait until after the draft to agree to anything.
Basically, with McKinnie's status up in the air, the Vikings aren't sure what their need is at OT going into the draft.
If they don't draft an OT in the first two rounds because of that question, then McKinnie's chances of staying on the team after a guilty plea would increase.
That would mean his chances of keeping all of his signing bonus and current salary would also improve.




This is the most likely senerio. As far as holding out...I don't know that that is in his best interest. If he ends up going to trial I would expect him to get over 1 year in jail. He needs to take the deal that his lawyer thinks is the best he will be offered.

Marrdro
04-12-2008, 06:26 AM
"Overlord" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


Looks like today was just a brief scheduling conference.
I think it's bad news for McKinnie that he hasn't been able to reach a plea deal yet.
These charges are much more serious than a possible four game suspension like most people seem to be speculating, and if the witnesses are cooperating with the prosecutors it's going to be hard for him to win his case.
Here's a brief rundown of what he's facing with the aggravated battery charges:

There is no question that if he was in a fight, then he committed a battery (battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%2003#0784.03)).
If a battery is committed with a deadly weapon, then it is an aggravated battery (aggrevated battery statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0784/SEC045.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0784->Section%20045#0784.045)).
A weapon is a 'deadly weapon' if it is used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily harm (slip opinion - dog is a deadly weapon (http://www.flhsmv.gov/CASES/morris2.html)), which almost certainly would include using a pole as a club.

Since the evidence appears to be overwhelming that McKinnie actually did commit an aggrevated battery, his only realistic way out is if his use of force was justified.
If McKinnie was defending himself, then he is justified in using force to the extent that he reasonably believed it was necessary to defend himself (self-defense statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC012.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20012#0776.012)).
That means that even if he was justified in punching the other guy, he was not necessarily but might have been justified in using the pole.
However, even if McKinnie was defending himself, if he is found to have started the fight then he would not be able to claim self-defense (agressor statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC041.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0776->Section%20041#0776.041)).
Because McKinnie returned to the club hours after being asked to leave with police present, it will likely be very difficult for him to convince a jury that the bouncer started the fight.


If McKinnie is found guilty of aggrevated battery, he could face up to 15 years imprisonment (general penalties (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec082.HTM)).
New offenders in Florida average between 3-4 years of prison time for crimes such as aggravated assault and battery (Florida Dept. of Corrections report (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section2.html)).
The other charges, such as resisting arrest, do not appear to be as big of a deal in terms of probable and potential jail time.


What a great post my friend.
I knew this was serious but I was only looking at it from a NFL/suspension standpoint.

I am sure his lawyer must be advising him to settle out of court wouldn't ya think?


It depends on what kind of deal they can get.
If the prosecutor thinks the state has a strong case, he or she might not be willing to drop the felony battery charges right now.
If the current offer is reduced jail time, then maybe McKinnie is better off holding out, figuring that the state hasn't made their best offer.
A good resolution for McKinnie, in my opinion and based upon what I've heard, would be a plea deal to a misdemeanor battery charge with any jail time stayed.

Even if McKinnie and his lawyers were satisfied with any plea deal being offered, it might be in his best interest to wait until after the draft to agree to anything.
Basically, with McKinnie's status up in the air, the Vikings aren't sure what their need is at OT going into the draft.
If they don't draft an OT in the first two rounds because of that question, then McKinnie's chances of staying on the team after a guilty plea would increase.
That would mean his chances of keeping all of his signing bonus and current salary would also improve.

I thought our resident lawyer would step up and explain this,however, he let me down.
Thanks for a quality post.

I believe this almost gaurantees Langford will be a Viking next year as Spielman will almost have to go OT in the 1rst and get our LDE in a later round.

Bettter value.

singersp
04-12-2008, 10:14 AM
Trial date set for Vikings' McKinnie (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/17567719.html)

By KEVIN SEIFERT, Star Tribune

Last update: April 11, 2008 - 8:46 PM


Regardless of the trial's outcome, the NFL could subject McKinnie to a fine or suspension or both because he is a repeat offender of its personal conduct policy.....

The Vikings are monitoring McKinnie's status with the league. Coach Brad Childress said last month that the team might face some difficult decisions on McKinnie's future....

nikoli
04-12-2008, 07:15 PM
It's my understanding that the felony charge will almost positively be dropped to a misdemeanor charge based on the fact that the guy who got hit didn't even have to go to the hospital. Seriously, if a guy like Mount actually hits you over the head with a metal pole... you're about as good as dead, or a vegetable at best. So the whole felony battery doesn't really even apply.

I sure would like to know what exactly he did with the pole. I'm starting to think he might've just thrown it at the guy.

singersp
04-12-2008, 07:25 PM
"nikoli" wrote:


It's my understanding that the felony charge will almost positively be dropped to a misdemeanor charge based on the fact that the guy who got hit didn't even have to go to the hospital. Seriously, if a guy like Mount actually hits you over the head with a metal pole... you're about as good as dead, or a vegetable at best. So the whole felony battery doesn't really even apply.

I sure would like to know what exactly he did with the pole. I'm starting to think he might've just thrown it at the guy.


Does it matter how hard he hit him with the pole before it's considered a felony? The fact that he used a pole with intent to inflict bodily harm is what makes it a felony, isn't it?

jmcdon00
04-12-2008, 07:43 PM
What a pussy. Guys 6'8" 350lbs and he needs a deadly weapon? Not only does it make it a felony but it also makes him the biggest pussy ever.

Purple Floyd
04-12-2008, 07:59 PM
My guess is he will plea guilty to a misdemeanor and not serve any time but may get some sort of probation or conditions attached to it. Then the league will sit him for a few games and let him think about it. The FO will unload him as soon as they can line up a replacement.

singersp
04-12-2008, 08:12 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


What a pussy. Guys 6'8" 350lbs and he needs a deadly weapon? Not only does it make it a felony but it also makes him the biggest pussy ever.


I don't know exactly how tall or big the bouncer was, but rest assured, most bouncers aren't your Pee Wee Herman or Mr. Bean types.

I'm guessing he was still quite the match for McKinnie.

Purple Floyd
04-12-2008, 08:15 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


What a pussy. Guys 6'8" 350lbs and he needs a deadly weapon? Not only does it make it a felony but it also makes him the biggest pussy ever.


I don't know exactly how tall or big the bouncer was, but rest assured, most bouncers aren't your Pee Wee Herman or Mr. Bean types.

I'm guessing he was still quite the match for McKinnie.


And if that bouncer played a little DE in the past McKinney wouldn't stand a chance

nikoli
04-12-2008, 09:09 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


What a "meow". Guys 6'8" 350lbs and he needs a deadly weapon? Not only does it make it a felony but it also makes him the biggest "meow" ever.


I don't know exactly how tall or big the bouncer was, but rest assured, most bouncers aren't your Pee Wee Herman or Mr. Bean types.

I'm guessing he was still quite the match for McKinnie.


I've been to a few high rollin Miami nightclubs in my day and I can say that the bouncers in these places are GIANTS.

More to the point, none of us know exactly what he even did with the pole. He might've just been swinging it to get the guy away. One thing is for sure, all the witch hunters are out for Mount.

Overlord
04-13-2008, 12:23 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"nikoli" wrote:


It's my understanding that the felony charge will almost positively be dropped to a misdemeanor charge based on the fact that the guy who got hit didn't even have to go to the hospital. Seriously, if a guy like Mount actually hits you over the head with a metal pole... you're about as good as dead, or a vegetable at best. So the whole felony battery doesn't really even apply.

I sure would like to know what exactly he did with the pole. I'm starting to think he might've just thrown it at the guy.


Does it matter how hard he hit him with the pole before it's considered a felony? The fact that he used a pole with intent to inflict bodily harm is what makes it a felony, isn't it?


All that's required in order to be guilty of an aggrevated battery (for this particular element) is that he uses a deadly weapon.
Whether or not the other person was actually injured is irrelevant.
A deadly weapon is something that's used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily injury.
So, yes, it is possible that he used it in a way that wasn't really likely to cause serious injury.

Regardless of what actually happened, if McKinnie agrees to a plea deal it will almost certainly include dropping the felony charges.
But if and until the case goes to trial, my guess is that the prosecution will keep the felony charge out there as leverage.

nikoli
04-13-2008, 01:28 AM
"Overlord" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"nikoli" wrote:


It's my understanding that the felony charge will almost positively be dropped to a misdemeanor charge based on the fact that the guy who got hit didn't even have to go to the hospital. Seriously, if a guy like Mount actually hits you over the head with a metal pole... you're about as good as dead, or a vegetable at best. So the whole felony battery doesn't really even apply.

I sure would like to know what exactly he did with the pole. I'm starting to think he might've just thrown it at the guy.


Does it matter how hard he hit him with the pole before it's considered a felony? The fact that he used a pole with intent to inflict bodily harm is what makes it a felony, isn't it?


All that's required in order to be guilty of an aggrevated battery (for this particular element) is that he uses a deadly weapon.
Whether or not the other person was actually injured is irrelevant.
A deadly weapon is something that's used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily injury.
So, yes, it is possible that he used it in a way that wasn't really likely to cause serious injury.

Regardless of what actually happened, if McKinnie agrees to a plea deal it will almost certainly include dropping the felony charges.
But if and until the case goes to trial, my guess is that the prosecution will keep the felony charge out there as leverage.


Well, I think we're in agreement that the felony charge will in all likelihood be dropped. Obviously this is an instance of no harm no foul. The bouncer didn't even have to go to the hospital. And we both know McKinnie's lawyers are way too smart to let this play out as a felony. This is going to be a misdemeanor and a little community service, along with a 2 to 4 game suspension.

As for the bolded text... I would say all that's required in a case like this would be to have a really bad public defender as your lawyer and a really bad rap sheet. This is why I'm confident McKinnie won't be doing any jail time.

Vikes_King
04-13-2008, 02:43 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


What a pussy. Guys 6'8" 350lbs and he needs a deadly weapon? Not only does it make it a felony but it also makes him the biggest pussy ever.


I don't know exactly how tall or big the bouncer was, but rest assured, most bouncers aren't your Pee Wee Herman or Mr. Bean types.

I'm guessing he was still quite the match for McKinnie.


And if that bouncer played a little DE in the past McKinney wouldn't stand a chance


i admit, i lol'd

NodakPaul
04-13-2008, 01:15 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


My guess is he will plea guilty to a misdemeanor and not serve any time but may get some sort of probation or conditions attached to it. Then the league will sit him for a few games and let him think about it. The FO will unload him as soon as they can line up a replacement.


To be completely honest, this is what I am expecting as well.

NodakPaul
04-13-2008, 01:21 PM
"nikoli" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"nikoli" wrote:


It's my understanding that the felony charge will almost positively be dropped to a misdemeanor charge based on the fact that the guy who got hit didn't even have to go to the hospital. Seriously, if a guy like Mount actually hits you over the head with a metal pole... you're about as good as dead, or a vegetable at best. So the whole felony battery doesn't really even apply.

I sure would like to know what exactly he did with the pole. I'm starting to think he might've just thrown it at the guy.


Does it matter how hard he hit him with the pole before it's considered a felony? The fact that he used a pole with intent to inflict bodily harm is what makes it a felony, isn't it?


All that's required in order to be guilty of an aggrevated battery (for this particular element) is that he uses a deadly weapon.
Whether or not the other person was actually injured is irrelevant.
A deadly weapon is something that's used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily injury.
So, yes, it is possible that he used it in a way that wasn't really likely to cause serious injury.

Regardless of what actually happened, if McKinnie agrees to a plea deal it will almost certainly include dropping the felony charges.
But if and until the case goes to trial, my guess is that the prosecution will keep the felony charge out there as leverage.


Well, I think we're in agreement that the felony charge will in all likelihood be dropped. Obviously this is an instance of no harm no foul. The bouncer didn't even have to go to the hospital. And we both know McKinnie's lawyers are way too smart to let this play out as a felony. This is going to be a misdemeanor and a little community service, along with a 2 to 4 game suspension.

As for the bolded text... I would say all that's required in a case like this would be to have a really bad public defender as your lawyer and a really bad rap sheet. This is why I'm confident McKinnie won't be doing any jail time.


I certainly wouldn't call it no harm no foul... but I agree that some kind of plea will likely be worked out that will take the felony off form the table.
However, I expect a minimum of a 4 game suspension from the NFL.
Regardless of what he pleas to, his actions that night still violated the NFL conduct policy.
And if part of his plea is to offer full disclosure and admittance of guilt (which it usually does), McKinnie will have no defense against the Commish.

This wasn't some little barroom fight, nor will the NFL see it as such.

nikoli
04-13-2008, 01:29 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


My guess is he will plea guilty to a misdemeanor and not serve any time but may get some sort of probation or conditions attached to it. Then the league will sit him for a few games and let him think about it. The FO will unload him as soon as they can line up a replacement.


To be completely honest, this is what I am expecting as well.

1. It will be very hard to replace him... regardless of anyone's opinion of McKinnie.

2. How would we get fair trade value for him? He's one screw up away from a long term suspension.

Our best bet is to keep him on a short leash. He's an excellent LT most of the time. We just need him to calm it down a bit. Last time we had a troubled player we let him go and wound up with TWill and Napoleon Harris... while the troubled player went on to break the TD record. Not that McKinnie is a HoFer, but we'd be better off working with him.

nikoli
04-13-2008, 01:31 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"nikoli" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"nikoli" wrote:


It's my understanding that the felony charge will almost positively be dropped to a misdemeanor charge based on the fact that the guy who got hit didn't even have to go to the hospital. Seriously, if a guy like Mount actually hits you over the head with a metal pole... you're about as good as dead, or a vegetable at best. So the whole felony battery doesn't really even apply.

I sure would like to know what exactly he did with the pole. I'm starting to think he might've just thrown it at the guy.


Does it matter how hard he hit him with the pole before it's considered a felony? The fact that he used a pole with intent to inflict bodily harm is what makes it a felony, isn't it?


All that's required in order to be guilty of an aggrevated battery (for this particular element) is that he uses a deadly weapon.
Whether or not the other person was actually injured is irrelevant.
A deadly weapon is something that's used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily injury.
So, yes, it is possible that he used it in a way that wasn't really likely to cause serious injury.

Regardless of what actually happened, if McKinnie agrees to a plea deal it will almost certainly include dropping the felony charges.
But if and until the case goes to trial, my guess is that the prosecution will keep the felony charge out there as leverage.


Well, I think we're in agreement that the felony charge will in all likelihood be dropped. Obviously this is an instance of no harm no foul. The bouncer didn't even have to go to the hospital. And we both know McKinnie's lawyers are way too smart to let this play out as a felony. This is going to be a misdemeanor and a little community service, along with a 2 to 4 game suspension.

As for the bolded text... I would say all that's required in a case like this would be to have a really bad public defender as your lawyer and a really bad rap sheet. This is why I'm confident McKinnie won't be doing any jail time.


I certainly wouldn't call it no harm no foul... but I agree that some kind of plea will likely be worked out that will take the felony off form the table.
However, I expect a minimum of a 4 game suspension from the NFL.
Regardless of what he pleas to, his actions that night still violated the NFL conduct policy.
And if part of his plea is to offer full disclosure and admittance of guilt (which it usually does), McKinnie will have no defense against the Commish.

This wasn't some little barroom fight, nor will the NFL see it as such.



What exactly do you mean it wasn't some little barroom fight? It's not like this was some epic battle. He got kicked out, came back and started a fight. It was totally out of line, but we're not talking about something extraordinary. 4 games max, esp if the major charges are dropped.

NodakPaul
04-13-2008, 01:39 PM
"nikoli" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


My guess is he will plea guilty to a misdemeanor and not serve any time but may get some sort of probation or conditions attached to it. Then the league will sit him for a few games and let him think about it. The FO will unload him as soon as they can line up a replacement.


To be completely honest, this is what I am expecting as well.

1. It will be very hard to replace him... regardless of anyone's opinion of McKinnie.

2. How would we get fair trade value for him? He's one screw up away from a long term suspension.

Our best bet is to keep him on a short leash. He's an excellent LT most of the time. We just need him to calm it down a bit. Last time we had a troubled player we let him go and wound up with TWill and Napoleon Harris... while the troubled player went on to break the TD record. Not that McKinnie is a HoFer, but we'd be better off working with him.




That was not the last time. Koren Robinson.
Dwight Smith.
Those two pop to mind, and neither one looks like they will be breaking any records anytime soon.
Besides, Moss had some issues, but he was never violent.
This is a completely different scenario.

As to your points...

1. Yes, it would be hard.
But not impossible.
He is a good LT, but not an elite one.
Unfortunately he is being paid like an elite LT, which is why I would be in favor of losing him.
2. You are correct in that he is one screw up away from a long term suspension. Which is all the more reason to be looking for his replacement now.
As far as fair trade value... his monster contract and his dangling on the edge of suspension count in his trade value, so "fair" is a relative term.

NodakPaul
04-13-2008, 01:41 PM
"nikoli" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"nikoli" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:




It's my understanding that the felony charge will almost positively be dropped to a misdemeanor charge based on the fact that the guy who got hit didn't even have to go to the hospital. Seriously, if a guy like Mount actually hits you over the head with a metal pole... you're about as good as dead, or a vegetable at best. So the whole felony battery doesn't really even apply.

I sure would like to know what exactly he did with the pole. I'm starting to think he might've just thrown it at the guy.


Does it matter how hard he hit him with the pole before it's considered a felony? The fact that he used a pole with intent to inflict bodily harm is what makes it a felony, isn't it?


All that's required in order to be guilty of an aggrevated battery (for this particular element) is that he uses a deadly weapon.
Whether or not the other person was actually injured is irrelevant.
A deadly weapon is something that's used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily injury.
So, yes, it is possible that he used it in a way that wasn't really likely to cause serious injury.

Regardless of what actually happened, if McKinnie agrees to a plea deal it will almost certainly include dropping the felony charges.
But if and until the case goes to trial, my guess is that the prosecution will keep the felony charge out there as leverage.


Well, I think we're in agreement that the felony charge will in all likelihood be dropped. Obviously this is an instance of no harm no foul. The bouncer didn't even have to go to the hospital. And we both know McKinnie's lawyers are way too smart to let this play out as a felony. This is going to be a misdemeanor and a little community service, along with a 2 to 4 game suspension.

As for the bolded text... I would say all that's required in a case like this would be to have a really bad public defender as your lawyer and a really bad rap sheet. This is why I'm confident McKinnie won't be doing any jail time.


I certainly wouldn't call it no harm no foul... but I agree that some kind of plea will likely be worked out that will take the felony off form the table.
However, I expect a minimum of a 4 game suspension from the NFL.
Regardless of what he pleas to, his actions that night still violated the NFL conduct policy.
And if part of his plea is to offer full disclosure and admittance of guilt (which it usually does), McKinnie will have no defense against the Commish.

This wasn't some little barroom fight, nor will the NFL see it as such.



What exactly do you mean it wasn't some little barroom fight? It's not like this was some epic battle. He got kicked out, came back and started a fight. It was totally out of line, but we're not talking about something extraordinary. 4 games max, esp if the major charges are dropped.


He also spit on the bouncer, resisted arrest, and (at a minimum) tried to bean the bouncer with a 40 lb metal pole.
I agree that it is not as big of a deal that some people in the media are making it out to be, but don't minimalize it either.

Vikes_King
04-13-2008, 01:46 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"nikoli" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"nikoli" wrote:


"Overlord" wrote:






It's my understanding that the felony charge will almost positively be dropped to a misdemeanor charge based on the fact that the guy who got hit didn't even have to go to the hospital. Seriously, if a guy like Mount actually hits you over the head with a metal pole... you're about as good as dead, or a vegetable at best. So the whole felony battery doesn't really even apply.

I sure would like to know what exactly he did with the pole. I'm starting to think he might've just thrown it at the guy.


Does it matter how hard he hit him with the pole before it's considered a felony? The fact that he used a pole with intent to inflict bodily harm is what makes it a felony, isn't it?


All that's required in order to be guilty of an aggrevated battery (for this particular element) is that he uses a deadly weapon.
Whether or not the other person was actually injured is irrelevant.
A deadly weapon is something that's used in a way that is likely to cause serious bodily injury.
So, yes, it is possible that he used it in a way that wasn't really likely to cause serious injury.

Regardless of what actually happened, if McKinnie agrees to a plea deal it will almost certainly include dropping the felony charges.
But if and until the case goes to trial, my guess is that the prosecution will keep the felony charge out there as leverage.


Well, I think we're in agreement that the felony charge will in all likelihood be dropped. Obviously this is an instance of no harm no foul. The bouncer didn't even have to go to the hospital. And we both know McKinnie's lawyers are way too smart to let this play out as a felony. This is going to be a misdemeanor and a little community service, along with a 2 to 4 game suspension.

As for the bolded text... I would say all that's required in a case like this would be to have a really bad public defender as your lawyer and a really bad rap sheet. This is why I'm confident McKinnie won't be doing any jail time.


I certainly wouldn't call it no harm no foul... but I agree that some kind of plea will likely be worked out that will take the felony off form the table.
However, I expect a minimum of a 4 game suspension from the NFL.
Regardless of what he pleas to, his actions that night still violated the NFL conduct policy.
And if part of his plea is to offer full disclosure and admittance of guilt (which it usually does), McKinnie will have no defense against the Commish.

This wasn't some little barroom fight, nor will the NFL see it as such.



What exactly do you mean it wasn't some little barroom fight? It's not like this was some epic battle. He got kicked out, came back and started a fight. It was totally out of line, but we're not talking about something extraordinary. 4 games max, esp if the major charges are dropped.


He also spit on the bouncer, resisted arrest, and (at a minimum) tried to bean the bouncer with a 40 lb metal pole.
I agree that it is not as big of a deal that some people in the media are making it out to be, but don't minimalize it either.


exactly.
well said sir

singersp
05-21-2008, 07:30 AM
Vikings | Judge issues McKinnie continuance for his trial (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=475604)

kffl.com

2008-05-20 16:05:01


....a Florida judge issued McKinnie a two-week continuance for his trail, which is now set for June 20...

singersp
05-21-2008, 07:45 AM
McKinnie misses practice for hearing (http://ww3.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=1597)

May 20th, 2008 – 1:13 PM

by Kevin Seifert
startribune.com


McKinnie’s attorney, Larry Kerr, is hoping his client’s case never gets to that June 20 hearing. Kerr has requested that the state of Florida allows McKinnie to enter a pre-trial diversion program. If this is granted and McKinnie completes the terms of the program, the charges against him would be dismissed.....

singersp
05-21-2008, 07:46 AM
A day in court for McKinnie (http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_9327905)

Legal matter in Miami takes precedence

By Don Seeholzer
dseeholzer@pioneerpress.com
twincities.com

Article Last Updated: 05/21/2008 12:27:03 AM CDT


The Vikings went through their second day of organized team activities Tuesday without offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie and still aren't sure if they'll have him for the start of the season....

NodakPaul
05-21-2008, 08:30 AM
Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

snowinapril
05-21-2008, 08:37 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>


Good one NP!

We don't have anyone better?

That doesn't sound like we had a plan together.

Marrdro
05-21-2008, 12:59 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o

jmcdon00
05-21-2008, 01:15 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o

How do you think he will fair against Kapman(if they switch him to rde for the missmatch) and Freeny in weeks 1 and 2?

dcboardr41
05-21-2008, 01:17 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>


im not as worried as some people are on here. Im sure Chilly and the coaches know to put a TE over there to help him out, or Tapeh to chip the DE.

kevoncox
05-21-2008, 05:11 PM
"dcboardr41" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>


im not as worried as some people are on here. Im sure Chilly and the coaches know to put a TE over there to help him out, or Tapeh to chip the DE.


Assuming a head coach in his 4rd year knows anything is dangerous.
I assumed we would bootlegg or throw more screens a tthe end of last year. Neither happened we just piled in the blockers and prayed.

singersp
05-23-2008, 09:15 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chase Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.

marstc09
05-23-2008, 09:31 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?

singersp
05-23-2008, 09:41 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

Purple Floyd
05-23-2008, 10:44 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"dcboardr41" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>


im not as worried as some people are on here. Im sure Chilly and the coaches know to put a TE over there to help him out, or Tapeh to chip the DE.


Assuming a head coach in his 4rd year knows anything is dangerous.
I assumed we would bootlegg or throw more screens a tthe end of last year. Neither happened we just piled in the blockers and prayed.


3rd

singersp
05-24-2008, 06:38 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

Marrdro
05-27-2008, 10:59 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

I knew who he meant.
;D

And no, It doesn't say anything as he is getting reps as well. My hope is that Artis will look like shit and Chase (Chad) will get the gig over him and Artis will be given his walking papers.
;D

jmcdon00
05-27-2008, 11:07 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

I knew who he meant.

;D

And no, It doesn't say anything as he is getting reps as well. My hope is that Artis will look like shit and Chase (Chad) will get the gig over him and Artis will be given his walking papers.

;D

I hope Artis looks like a pro-bowler, I expect him to look like shit. Big difference.

Marrdro
05-27-2008, 12:21 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:






Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

I knew who he meant.

;D

And no, It doesn't say anything as he is getting reps as well. My hope is that Artis will look like pooh and Chase (Chad) will get the gig over him and Artis will be given his walking papers.

;D

I hope Artis looks like a pro-bowler, I expect him to look like pooh. Big difference.

You know that is what I meant right?
;D

I am tired of him though.

singersp
05-27-2008, 09:19 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:








Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

I knew who he meant.
;D

And no, It doesn't say anything as he is getting reps as well. My hope is that Artis will look like pooh and Chase (Chad) will get the gig over him and Artis will be given his walking papers.
;D

I hope Artis looks like a pro-bowler, I expect him to look like pooh. Big difference.

You know that is what I meant right?
;D

I am tired of him though.


So am I, but the problem is none of us have seen Chase Johnson play in a game. For you to assume that he will be better than Hicks, purely on a whim or wishful thinking without actually seeing him play, is nothing more than MarrdroVision.

Marrdro
05-28-2008, 08:19 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:










Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

I knew who he meant.

;D

And no, It doesn't say anything as he is getting reps as well. My hope is that Artis will look like pooh and Chase (Chad) will get the gig over him and Artis will be given his walking papers.

;D

I hope Artis looks like a pro-bowler, I expect him to look like pooh. Big difference.

You know that is what I meant right?

;D

I am tired of him though.


So am I, but the problem is none of us have seen Chase Johnson play in a game. For you to assume that he will be better than Hicks, purely on a whim or wishful thinking without actually seeing him play, is nothing more than MarrdroVision.

Nope, not Whim or Wishfull thinking but rather logic that dictates that the coaching staff saw something they liked enough to keep him on the roster.

As with a guy like Cook, if the coaching staff like him, I like him.

By the way, none of us saw Cook, Griffin, McCauley, TJ, AD, Greenway etc etc etc play a snap in the NFL and yet they are starting. ;D

singersp
06-21-2008, 07:35 AM
Judge continues McKinnie case (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/20617729.html)

By CHIP SCOGGINS
Star Tribune
startribune.com

Last update: June 20, 2008 - 8:37 PM


Vikings offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie had his criminal case continued again Friday during a hearing in Miami-Dade County Court.....

kevoncox
06-21-2008, 09:11 AM
"singersp" wrote:


Judge continues McKinnie case (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/20617729.html)

By CHIP SCOGGINS
Star Tribune
startribune.com

Last update: June 20, 2008 - 8:37 PM


Vikings offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie had his criminal case continued again Friday during a hearing in Miami-Dade County Court.....




I read this yesterday and thught it was kind of interesting. Looks like he is trying to stall it out and get it dismmissed. I
remember correctly it was continued until Sept and then he won't have to appear. Looks like his lawyer may get the charges dropped or get him in a program in lieu of a conviction.

VikingsTw
06-21-2008, 01:27 PM
I'm not totally understanding what happened yesterday
???. Does this mean McKinnie is gonna be in traing camp and the start of the season? From this standpoint it would be great news and the suspension would be post poned if it even happens at all.

It directly quotes: "Vikings offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie had his criminal case continued again Friday during a hearing in Miami-Dade County Court."

If I'm understanding this correctly we should be jumping for joy that McKinnie will be apart of our early season. Without him and facing top flight DE's we would either be rolling with practicly a rookie or the Artis.

singersp
06-21-2008, 05:57 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


I'm not totally understanding what happened yesterday
???. Does this mean McKinnie is gonna be in traing camp and the start of the season? From this standpoint it would be great news and the suspension would be post poned if it even happens at all.

It directly quotes: "Vikings offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie had his criminal case continued again Friday during a hearing in Miami-Dade County Court."

If I'm understanding this correctly we should be jumping for joy that McKinnie will be apart of our early season. Without him and facing top flight DE's we would either be rolling with practicly a rookie or the Artis.



It just means any suspension he gets, if any, will happen after week 3 of the season.

The 4 games following week 3 are against the Titans, Saints, Lions & Bears in that order. All of which are on the road with the exception of the Lions.

VikingsTw
06-21-2008, 06:32 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I'm not totally understanding what happened yesterday
???. Does this mean McKinnie is gonna be in traing camp and the start of the season? From this standpoint it would be great news and the suspension would be post poned if it even happens at all.

It directly quotes: "Vikings offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie had his criminal case continued again Friday during a hearing in Miami-Dade County Court."

If I'm understanding this correctly we should be jumping for joy that McKinnie will be apart of our early season. Without him and facing top flight DE's we would either be rolling with practicly a rookie or the Artis.



It just means any suspension he gets, if any, will happen after week 3 of the season.

The 4 games following week 3 are against the Titans, Saints, Lions & Bears in that order. All of which are on the road with the exception of the Lions.


That's good news, we'll need McKinnie for sure early season but if he gets in much trouble I expect the team to possibly go ahead and release him. These possible strikes could be the last, if so hopefully a guy like Chase is ready to contribute. Either way I hate to see McKinnie get aways with anything he did but if its overblown and we can get the charges dismissed we can keep him. This woluld benifit the team most and could possibly put the fire under McKinnie and turn him into the talent that he is. I'm quite sure this whole experience has opened McKinnies eyes and if he wants to win he best keep the antics under control otherwise he'll end up like Dwight Smith playing for somebody like the Lions.

marshallvike
06-21-2008, 08:27 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:












Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

I knew who he meant.

;D

And no, It doesn't say anything as he is getting reps as well. My hope is that Artis will look like pooh and Chase (Chad) will get the gig over him and Artis will be given his walking papers.

;D

I hope Artis looks like a pro-bowler, I expect him to look like pooh. Big difference.

You know that is what I meant right?

;D

I am tired of him though.


So am I, but the problem is none of us have seen Chase Johnson play in a game. For you to assume that he will be better than Hicks, purely on a whim or wishful thinking without actually seeing him play, is nothing more than MarrdroVision.

Nope, not Whim or Wishfull thinking but rather logic that dictates that the coaching staff saw something they liked enough to keep him on the roster.

As with a guy like Cook, if the coaching staff like him, I like him.

By the way, none of us saw Cook, Griffin, McCauley, TJ, AD, Greenway etc etc etc play a snap in the NFL and yet they are starting. ;D



Brooks Bollinger
Ciatrick Fason
Billy McMullen
Troy Williamson
Robert Ferguson
Artis Hicks

these are guys the coaching staff thought enough of to take up a roster spot. the coaches are not always right. not just our coaches, but any coaching staff misses the boat on some players. not that chadchase can not be good, i hope he is, but just making the roster does not make him good.

kevoncox
06-21-2008, 09:33 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"VikingsTw" wrote:


I'm not totally understanding what happened yesterday
???. Does this mean McKinnie is gonna be in traing camp and the start of the season? From this standpoint it would be great news and the suspension would be post poned if it even happens at all.

It directly quotes: "Vikings offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie had his criminal case continued again Friday during a hearing in Miami-Dade County Court."

If I'm understanding this correctly we should be jumping for joy that McKinnie will be apart of our early season. Without him and facing top flight DE's we would either be rolling with practicly a rookie or the Artis.



It just means any suspension he gets, if any, will happen after week 3 of the season.

The 4 games following week 3 are against the Titans, Saints, Lions & Bears in that order. All of which are on the road with the exception of the Lions.


That's good news, we'll need McKinnie for sure early season but if he gets in much trouble I expect the team to possibly go ahead and release him. These possible strikes could be the last, if so hopefully a guy like Chase is ready to contribute. Either way I hate to see McKinnie get aways with anything he did but if its overblown and we can get the charges dismissed we can keep him. This woluld benifit the team most and could possibly put the fire under McKinnie and turn him into the talent that he is. I'm quite sure this whole experience has opened McKinnies eyes and if he wants to win he best keep the antics under control otherwise he'll end up like Dwight Smith playing for somebody like the Lions.


I hate to be a Negative Nancy but there is still a chance he can miss the earlier games. If he is finally ammited to the program that his lawyer has been trying to get him on, that may happen prior to Sept and he could then face discpline at that time.
IF he enters the program late Aug, the league may suspend him for the start of the season. Just FFT

mountainviking
06-22-2008, 04:41 PM
So...it sounds like he's going to get the pretrial diversion program.
Which, if it goes through, will likely include some admission of guilt.
But, Didn't the commish say he wouldn't hold prior offenses (before he started) against players?
IF so, wouldn't that make this the only Fup McKinnie should be punished for?

I fully expected to know more about this issue by now.
It sure would be nice to have Big Mac in there those first two weeks vs. Kampman and Freeney!!!

Purple Floyd
06-22-2008, 10:41 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


So...it sounds like he's going to get the pretrial diversion program.
Which, if it goes through, will likely include some admission of guilt.
But, Didn't the commish say he wouldn't hold prior offenses (before he started) against players?
IF so, wouldn't that make this the only Fup McKinnie should be punished for?

I fully expected to know more about this issue by now.
It sure would be nice to have Big Mac in there those first two weeks vs. Kampman and Freeney!!!


I'm not so sure.


Kampman usually lines up over our RT if I am not mistaken so the worry there is how Cook does against him and you also have to wonder how strong Freeney will be at the beginning of the season after his foot rehab.

MetalMike-LoudVike
06-22-2008, 11:36 PM
freaking Mckinnie...he's a clownshoe..... This is something that could comeback and bite the Vikes on hand...suspension,fines,loss of draft picks. I just hope he keeps is head from getting lodged in a certain body cavity..I would say he's had his fun this Offseason.

Marrdro
06-23-2008, 08:18 AM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:














Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

I knew who he meant.

;D

And no, It doesn't say anything as he is getting reps as well. My hope is that Artis will look like pooh and Chase (Chad) will get the gig over him and Artis will be given his walking papers.

;D

I hope Artis looks like a pro-bowler, I expect him to look like pooh. Big difference.

You know that is what I meant right?

;D

I am tired of him though.


So am I, but the problem is none of us have seen Chase Johnson play in a game. For you to assume that he will be better than Hicks, purely on a whim or wishful thinking without actually seeing him play, is nothing more than MarrdroVision.

Nope, not Whim or Wishfull thinking but rather logic that dictates that the coaching staff saw something they liked enough to keep him on the roster.

As with a guy like Cook, if the coaching staff like him, I like him.

By the way, none of us saw Cook, Griffin, McCauley, TJ, AD, Greenway etc etc etc play a snap in the NFL and yet they are starting. ;D



Brooks Bollinger
Ciatrick Fason
Billy McMullen
Troy Williamson
Robert Ferguson
Artis Hicks

these are guys the coaching staff thought enough of to take up a roster spot. the coaches are not always right. not just our coaches, but any coaching staff misses the boat on some players. not that chadchase can not be good, i hope he is, but just making the roster does not make him good.

Excellent point my friend, however, sometimes, based on talent available, you have to settle for a player instead of landing a top notch guy across the board, especially when you consider how much of the board was gutted.

Brooks Bollinger -
This guy is on the current regime. Probably wouldn't have been around as long if there was a better option out there.

Ciatrick Fason - On the last regime.

Billy McMullen - Wasn't brought in cause he was the greatest player in the world but rather for his understanding of the scheme.
Every coach out there brings in cats like this to help get the ball rolling.
Considered a cheap bandaid fix so you can gut the team of players that don't fit the scheme.

Troy Williamson - On the last regime.
Also some blame could be layed at the feet of this regime, but it is damn hard to give up on a number 7 overall pick especially when one considers that it takes at least 3 years for a WR to really start to produce.
I would also throw E. James in this catagory.

Robert Ferguson - Hard for me to defend this cat, mostly because he was a PUKER, but he started to really come around last year and might (if Jaymar doesn't beat him out) be one of our prime WR's in multiple reciever sets this year.
Take a look at his perfomances as he got more acclimated to the scheme.
Some very nice catches as TJ got more comfortable with him last year and a tenasious blocker in support of the run.

Artis Hicks - I really despise this guy, but he does give you depth at almost every position on the line.
Never gonna be a star but he does get some credit as a cheap serviceable bandaid during the installation of a very complex blocking scheme(s) that even our Pro-bowl center struggles with.

Long story short, this organization,
especially after Foley was shitcanned and Spielman was brought in, has made some very sound personnel moves with very few that haven't/or won't eventually be with the squad for years to come based on what we've seen so far.

I wonder if there is a page out there that tracks that kindof stuff.
I bet we would be rated pretty high over the last 3 years.
::)

NodakPaul
06-23-2008, 09:28 AM
"mountainviking" wrote:


So...it sounds like he's going to get the pretrial diversion program.
Which, if it goes through, will likely include some admission of guilt.
But, Didn't the commish say he wouldn't hold prior offenses (before he started) against players?
IF so, wouldn't that make this the only Fup McKinnie should be punished for?

I fully expected to know more about this issue by now.
It sure would be nice to have Big Mac in there those first two weeks vs. Kampman and Freeney!!!


I am not 100% sure how that works.
If he is accepted into the pretrial diversion program, it leads to charges being dropped completely.
The reason his court date was extended to September 24th was so both sides could work out the details.

I still think that a four game suspension is fair.

mountainviking
06-23-2008, 09:30 AM
Looks like you're rigth Uffda.
Both Kampman and Freeney are LDE.
Guess I should have known...we did take a short look at Freeney after the Udeze news broke and before he resigned in TEN.
Good thing we traded for Allen instead...looks like Kearse will be missing some time for DUI now...

I swear I read in one of the articles yesterday that there was a chance Mac wouldn't even get a suspension.
Now I can't find which one...but I was thinking...


This latest incident marked the fourth time McKinnie has had legal issues since the Vikings took him in the first round of the 2002 draft.

In one case no charges were filed and in another misdemeanor charges were dropped. McKinnie did plead guilty in 2006 to misdemeanor disorderly conduct in connection with the 2005 boat incident involving Vikings players on Lake Minnetonka. He paid $2,000 in fines, performed 48 hours of community service and was fined one game check ($41,176) by the NFL.


As far as I can tell, Goodell was named commish August of 2006.
So, the question remains, how many of Big Mac's Big Fups will count against him?
Some were before the commish came into office, and half were dropped by the courts.
From what I see here, the only one should be the current one...SO, IF he gets his "pretrial diversion program," cleans up his act and jumps through all the hoops, and gets the charges dismissed, shouldn't he be cleared by the NFL too?

I'm not 100% on the rest of the story here, but don't all these instances involve him being drunk?
Is alcohol and/or anger managment counseling where he's going...perhaps similar to Jared Allen?

Purple Floyd
06-23-2008, 09:33 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:
















Is anybody else a little worried that Artie Hicks is filling in for McKinnie during OTAs? <shudder>

I am, especially when you factor in the fact that I wanted this guy gone just as much as I want Sharper gone. :o


LOL! Doesn't it make you shudder even more that they chose Hicks for that role instead of your boy Chad Johnson?

It certainly doesn't say much for how much they think of CJ.


You mean Chase right?


Yes, Dammit! I did it again.

I knew who he meant.
;D

And no, It doesn't say anything as he is getting reps as well. My hope is that Artis will look like pooh and Chase (Chad) will get the gig over him and Artis will be given his walking papers.
;D

I hope Artis looks like a pro-bowler, I expect him to look like pooh. Big difference.

You know that is what I meant right?
;D

I am tired of him though.


So am I, but the problem is none of us have seen Chase Johnson play in a game. For you to assume that he will be better than Hicks, purely on a whim or wishful thinking without actually seeing him play, is nothing more than MarrdroVision.

Nope, not Whim or Wishfull thinking but rather logic that dictates that the coaching staff saw something they liked enough to keep him on the roster.

As with a guy like Cook, if the coaching staff like him, I like him.

By the way, none of us saw Cook, Griffin, McCauley, TJ, AD, Greenway etc etc etc play a snap in the NFL and yet they are starting. ;D



Brooks Bollinger
Ciatrick Fason
Billy McMullen
Troy Williamson
Robert Ferguson
Artis Hicks

these are guys the coaching staff thought enough of to take up a roster spot. the coaches are not always right. not just our coaches, but any coaching staff misses the boat on some players. not that chadchase can not be good, i hope he is, but just making the roster does not make him good.

Excellent point my friend, however, sometimes, based on talent available, you have to settle for a player instead of landing a top notch guy across the board, especially when you consider how much of the board was gutted.

Brooks Bollinger -
This guy is on the current regime. Probably wouldn't have been around as long if there was a better option out there.

Ciatrick Fason - On the last regime.

Billy McMullen - Wasn't brought in cause he was the greatest player in the world but rather for his understanding of the scheme.
Every coach out there brings in cats like this to help get the ball rolling.
Considered a cheap bandaid fix so you can gut the team of players that don't fit the scheme.

Troy Williamson - On the last regime.
Also some blame could be layed at the feet of this regime, but it is damn hard to give up on a number 7 overall pick especially when one considers that it takes at least 3 years for a WR to really start to produce.
I would also throw E. James in this catagory.

Robert Ferguson - Hard for me to defend this cat, mostly because he was a PUKER, but he started to really come around last year and might (if Jaymar doesn't beat him out) be one of our prime WR's in multiple reciever sets this year.
Take a look at his perfomances as he got more acclimated to the scheme.
Some very nice catches as TJ got more comfortable with him last year and a tenasious blocker in support of the run.

Artis Hicks - I really despise this guy, but he does give you depth at almost every position on the line.
Never gonna be a star but he does get some credit as a cheap serviceable bandaid during the installation of a very complex blocking scheme(s) that even our Pro-bowl center struggles with.

Long story short, this organization,
especially after Foley was shitcanned and Spielman was brought in, has made some very sound personnel moves with very few that haven't/or won't eventually be with the squad for years to come based on what we've seen so far.

I wonder if there is a page out there that tracks that kindof stuff.
I bet we would be rated pretty high over the last 3 years.
::)



I would correct that to say we did well with 2 initial signings in Hutch and Taylor, then went on a streak of misfires that have already been named and that this offseason the FO changed it's mindset and went aggressively after guys like Berrian and Allen, but I doubt they scored very high during last offseason and who they brought in. I like the new agression in going after players and hopefully they stay with that mindset and forget about that turd polisher once and for all. ;D

C Mac D
06-23-2008, 09:34 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Ciatrick Fason - On the last regime.

Billy McMullen - Wasn't brought in cause he was the greatest player in the world but rather for his understanding of the scheme.
Every coach out there brings in cats like this to help get the ball rolling.
Considered a cheap bandaid fix so you can gut the team of players that don't fit the scheme.


Two points

First, Love your usage of the word, "Cats."

Second, Ciatrick Fason hasn't been on the team for a year or two, right? I could have sworn he wasn't on last season's roster.

Purple Floyd
06-23-2008, 09:41 AM
"mountainviking" wrote:


Looks like you're rigth Uffda.
Both Kampman and Freeney are LDE.
Guess I should have known...we did take a short look at Freeney after the Udeze news broke and before he resigned in TEN.
Good thing we traded for Allen instead...looks like Kearse will be missing some time for DUI now...

I swear I read in one of the articles yesterday that there was a chance Mac wouldn't even get a suspension.
Now I can't find which one...but I was thinking...


This latest incident marked the fourth time McKinnie has had legal issues since the Vikings took him in the first round of the 2002 draft.

In one case no charges were filed and in another misdemeanor charges were dropped. McKinnie did plead guilty in 2006 to misdemeanor disorderly conduct in connection with the 2005 boat incident involving Vikings players on Lake Minnetonka. He paid $2,000 in fines, performed 48 hours of community service and was fined one game check ($41,176) by the NFL.


As far as I can tell, Goodell was named commish August of 2006.
So, the question remains, how many of Big Mac's Big Fups will count against him?
Some were before the commish came into office, and half were dropped by the courts.
From what I see here, the only one should be the current one...SO, IF he gets his "pretrial diversion program," cleans up his act and jumps through all the hoops, and gets the charges dismissed, shouldn't he be cleared by the NFL too?

I'm not 100% on the rest of the story here, but don't all these instances involve him being drunk?
Is alcohol and/or anger managment counseling where he's going...perhaps similar to Jared Allen?



Actually,
Kampman is the LDE. Freeney would line up at RDE against McKinney but like I said, I am not sure if he will be 100% rehabbed from the foot injury.

Marrdro
06-23-2008, 12:11 PM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Ciatrick Fason - On the last regime.

Billy McMullen - Wasn't brought in cause he was the greatest player in the world but rather for his understanding of the scheme.
Every coach out there brings in cats like this to help get the ball rolling.
Considered a cheap bandaid fix so you can gut the team of players that don't fit the scheme.


Two points

First, Love your usage of the word, "Cats."

Second, Ciatrick Fason hasn't been on the team for a year or two, right? I could have sworn he wasn't on last season's roster.

I actually use it alot in real time Marrdro speak... ;D

You are correct,
Fason was Vike in 2005 and 2006, was released in 2007 and was picked up by the Jags in 2008, thats why I had him as on the past regime.

Not sure if he is still with them or not though.

singersp
06-25-2008, 05:28 AM
The McKinnie situation (http://ww3.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=1670)

June 24th, 2008 – 9:17 PM

by Judd Zulgad
startribune.com


Offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie isn’t likely to get closure on his latest legal problems before the Vikings report to training camp on July 23 and his status with the NFL also remains in limbo....