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COJOMAY
01-09-2008, 11:08 PM
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/13663786.html
Vikings left guard Steve Hutchinson and defensive tackle Kevin Williams were named first-team All-Pro by the Associated Press on Wednesday for the third time in their careers.

Rookie running back Adrian Peterson, who finished second in the NFL with 1,341 rushing yards this season and was the AP offensive rookie of the year, finished behind San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson and Philadelphia's Brian Westbrook in voting by a national panel of media members. Peterson was one of four Vikings on the second team...

digital420
01-10-2008, 02:21 AM
We are starting to get some good recognition!!

i can't wait till next year when that list just grows and grows.
Hopefully we'll have 5-6 on the first team

and a few more pushin they way in on the 2nd team.

DiGiTaL

MindFreak
01-10-2008, 11:45 AM
I haven't looked at the all pro nominations and who's all on the first team and second team, but why isn't Birk on their? Is their a better Center in the league then him, or does the oline as a hole just get certain votes, and not per position?

pack93z
01-10-2008, 11:49 AM
Congrats on having two 1st teamers.. they deserved to be included in that group.

V4L
01-10-2008, 12:30 PM
Good.. They played well all season!!

I hope Williams can get back to his double digit sack totals though

COJOMAY
01-10-2008, 12:30 PM
"MindFreak" wrote:


I haven't looked at the all pro nominations and who's all on the first team and second team, but why isn't Birk on their? Is their a better Center in the league then him, or does the oline as a hole just get certain votes, and not per position?

Birk did make the All-Pro team, he just isn't a starter. The starter will be Jeff Saturday of the Colts. Birk, though, didn't make the second team wither. Probably Dan Koppen of the Pats or Dan Koppen or Jahri Evans of the Saints will be on the second team.
Birk had his problems this year.

V4L
01-10-2008, 12:33 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


"MindFreak" wrote:


I haven't looked at the all pro nominations and who's all on the first team and second team, but why isn't Birk on their? Is their a better Center in the league then him, or does the oline as a hole just get certain votes, and not per position?

Birk did make the All-Pro team, he just isn't a starter. The starter will be Jeff Saturday of the Colts. Birk, though, didn't make the second team wither. Probably Dan Koppen of the Pats or Dan Koppen or Jahri Evans of the Saints will be on the second team.
Birk had his problems this year.



Hes definitley lost a step

Very good center though still

Marrdro
01-10-2008, 12:35 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


"MindFreak" wrote:


I haven't looked at the all pro nominations and who's all on the first team and second team, but why isn't Birk on their? Is their a better Center in the league then him, or does the oline as a hole just get certain votes, and not per position?

Birk did make the All-Pro team, he just isn't a starter. The starter will be Jeff Saturday of the Colts. Birk, though, didn't make the second team wither. Probably Dan Koppen of the Pats or Dan Koppen or Jahri Evans of the Saints will be on the second team.
Birk had his problems this year.



Hes definitley lost a step

Very good center though still

I don't think he lost a step.


I think he struggled at times with his line calls associated with blitz packages (disguised or not) that were being thrown at the line this year.

He will be back in top form next year after an offseason of watching game tape on those fronts they were seeing.

V4L
01-10-2008, 12:39 PM
Idk bout that Marr

He doesn't look as explosive as he used to

And we used to pull him all the time since he was our best pulling lineman

I didn't see him pull one time this year

Idk if thats because he lost a step or if we choose not to..

But he definitley lost a step.. Not a huge one.. But he is getting older and the injuries have hampered him just a little bit

He is a still great however

Marrdro
01-10-2008, 12:41 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Idk bout that Marr

He doesn't look as explosive as he used to

And we used to pull him all the time since he was our best pulling lineman

I didn't see him pull one time this year

Idk if thats because he lost a step or if we choose not to..

But he definitley lost a step.. Not a huge one.. But he is getting older and the injuries have hampered him just a little bit

He is a still great however

I am not 100% sure of this but in the ZB scheme if someone pulls it is normally the guard or the tackle.
The C then seals to the gaurds vacated spot in the zone.

By the way, I did see him pull as well.

V4L
01-10-2008, 12:45 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Idk bout that Marr

He doesn't look as explosive as he used to

And we used to pull him all the time since he was our best pulling lineman

I didn't see him pull one time this year

Idk if thats because he lost a step or if we choose not to..

But he definitley lost a step.. Not a huge one.. But he is getting older and the injuries have hampered him just a little bit

He is a still great however

I am not 100% sure of this but in the ZB scheme if someone pulls it is normally the guard or the tackle.
The C then seals to the gaurds vacated spot in the zone.

By the way, I did see him pull as well.



Yah, like I said I wasn't sure if it was the ZB scheme or not

I just noticed he doesn't quite look the same

But is still playing on a high level

jessejames09
01-10-2008, 12:49 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Idk bout that Marr

He doesn't look as explosive as he used to

And we used to pull him all the time since he was our best pulling lineman

I didn't see him pull one time this year

Idk if thats because he lost a step or if we choose not to..

But he definitley lost a step.. Not a huge one.. But he is getting older and the injuries have hampered him just a little bit

He is a still great however

I am not 100% sure of this but in the ZB scheme if someone pulls it is normally the guard or the tackle.
The C then seals to the gaurds vacated spot in the zone.

By the way, I did see him pull as well.


Second, I have seen him pull a few times this year. IDK if he does less than he used to though.

COJOMAY
01-10-2008, 01:27 PM
Honors continue for Vikings
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_7931356?nclick_check=1
The accolades continue to roll in for the Vikings, with six players earning Associated Press All-Pro honors on Wednesday.

Guard Steve Hutchinson and defensive tackle Kevin Williams were named to the first team, while running back Adrian Peterson, fullback Tony Richardson, defensive tackle Pat Williams and safety Darren Sharper were selected to the second.

The AP All-Pro team does not differentiate between the National and American conferences, reducing the number of honorees. Despite missing the playoffs, the Vikings were second only to the New England Patriots for all-pro players. The Patriots had five first-teamers and nine overall.

"I'm excited," said Kevin Williams, who earned his third spot on the first team. "It's an honor to be named all-pro, alongside all those great players. It's an honor for the Vikings, and I'm happy Pat was recognized for his great season, too. It's something that reflects well on the whole defense and the team overall."

Hutchinson is the most distinguished Vikings all-pro player, leading all offensive linemen with 36 votes, 15 more than runner-up guard Alan Faneca of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hutchinson has been recognized as an all-pro the past five seasons, earning first team distinction three times.

In the NFC North, the Green Bay Packers had four honorees (Brett Favre, Aaron Kampman, Nick Barnett and Al Harris), all of them on the second team, while the Chicago Bears landed one (returner Devin Hester). The Detroit Lions were shut out.

LaDainian Tomlinson and Randy Moss were unanimous selections, and so was Tom Brady - sort of. Brady was chosen on each ballot from 50 media members who cover the NFL.

briannord
01-10-2008, 05:07 PM
Remember last year when Chestor Taylor fumbled to lose us the game in Chicago?

Young Birk would have made that block.

MaxVike
01-10-2008, 05:38 PM
Congrats to Hutch and KWill for 1st Team All-Pro honors.
Congrats also to Pat Williams, Darren Sharper, Adrian Peterson and Tony Richardson for making the 2nd Team.

Just a bit of clarification...Birk did not make All-Pro, he made the Pro-Bowl, as a 2nd Team NFC Player.
All-Pro is more appropriately named All-NFL IMO...meaning, there is no All-Pro Game and, the 1st and 2nd Teams are a mix of NFC and AFC players.
The moniker "All-Pro" is recognition by the AP with a first and second team named based on AP Writer votes.
"Pro-Bowlers" are voted to play in the Pro-Bowl by fans, players and coaches...with the higher percentage distribution given to the fan vote (I believe), with 1st and 2nd Teams nominated for both the NFC and the AFC.

Marrdro
01-11-2008, 09:10 AM
Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.
;D

marstc09
01-11-2008, 09:36 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.

;D


They are? All of them? I still think Sharper is not comfortable with it.

C Mac D
01-11-2008, 09:38 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.
;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].

marstc09
01-11-2008, 09:44 AM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.

;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].


I agree 100%.
How does this prove the coaching staff is doing there job?

Marrdro
01-11-2008, 03:18 PM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.

;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].

You never give the coaches credit do you. I strongly suspect that you will hate the next guy just as much IF the Chiller goes.
;D

Ponder this.......
Think back to 2005.
What was our rush defense like?


Truth is, it wasn't very good.
We had Kwill, Phat Pat, Erasmus, etc etc. Basically the same guys.
What changed?
Could it be the new scheme, the way the coaching staff prepares them/has them prepare, differnt approaches to the game?

I believe that it has everything to do with the coaches.
As you said, K-will has alwasy been a great player.
Why didn't he get acolades like this then?

Face it, K-will, along with the other select few, good players on this team were held back by a team that lacked alot of overall talent.
Sure we had a few standouts like K-will but the supporting class was pretty bad.
The way they prepped for games was bad, the way the coaches gameplanned was bad etc tec.

Today, the players are better around guys like K-will, the scheme fits players like K-will etc etc and you are seeing him and others flourish in that environment.

Again, I am not trying to say the Kevin was any better or worse, I am just saying that the scheme fits him, the players around him are good enough to take some of the pressure off of him and we are seeing the benifits (individual acolades) from that progress.

By the way we gave up an average of something a bit overa a 100 yards a game rushing and over 300 yards a game pashing.
Bout the same in 2007 passing but 74 yds a game against the rush.
;D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=min&year=2007

Marrdro
01-11-2008, 03:21 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.

;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].


I agree 100%.
How does this prove the coaching staff is doing there job?

Readers digest of what I just sent your buddy...... ;D

Did we have the Williams wall in 2005.
We had the players but we didn't have the wall.
What changed.
It wasn't the players, again they were both on the team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=MIN&year=2005#defense

PurplePeopleEaters
01-11-2008, 03:24 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.
;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].


I agree 100%.
How does this prove the coaching staff is doing there job?

Readers digest of what I just sent your buddy...... ;D

Did we have the Williams wall in 2005.
We had the players but we didn't have the wall.
What changed.
It wasn't the players, again they were both on the team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=MIN&year=2005#defense


Actually a lot of that was attributed to Kevin Williams having a really off year. People were writing him off as the next Chris Hovan at the time because of a seeming lack of production in the pass rush. Luckily, partly attributed to the new coaching, he bounced back with a stellar season under Tomlin next to Pat. That said, Pat was probably our team MVP in '05 IMO. So yeah, what I'm trying to say is that Pat has been playing at a high level since he got here but I agree with what you're saying.

Marrdro
01-11-2008, 03:32 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.

;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].


I agree 100%.
How does this prove the coaching staff is doing there job?

Readers digest of what I just sent your buddy...... ;D

Did we have the Williams wall in 2005.
We had the players but we didn't have the wall.
What changed.
It wasn't the players, again they were both on the team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=MIN&year=2005#defense


Actually a lot of that was attributed to Kevin Williams having a really off year. People were writing him off as the next Chris Hovan at the time because of a seeming lack of production in the pass rush. Luckily, partly attributed to the new coaching, he bounced back with a stellar season under Tomlin next to Pat. That said, Pat was probably our team MVP in '05 IMO. So yeah, what I'm trying to say is that Pat has been playing at a high level since he got here but I agree with what you're saying.

Comeon my friend.
Just say it with me.........

New scheme, new atmosphere, New coaching got them out of that off year slump.
;D

C Mac D
01-11-2008, 03:40 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"C" wrote:




Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.
;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].


I agree 100%.
How does this prove the coaching staff is doing there job?

Readers digest of what I just sent your buddy...... ;D

Did we have the Williams wall in 2005.
We had the players but we didn't have the wall.
What changed.
It wasn't the players, again they were both on the team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=MIN&year=2005#defense


Actually a lot of that was attributed to Kevin Williams having a really off year. People were writing him off as the next Chris Hovan at the time because of a seeming lack of production in the pass rush. Luckily, partly attributed to the new coaching, he bounced back with a stellar season under Tomlin next to Pat. That said, Pat was probably our team MVP in '05 IMO. So yeah, what I'm trying to say is that Pat has been playing at a high level since he got here but I agree with what you're saying.

Comeon my friend.
Just say it with me.........

New scheme, new atmosphere, New coaching got them out of that off year slump.
;D


Say it with me... You have a hard-on for Chilly.
;)

jessejames09
01-11-2008, 03:48 PM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:






Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.
;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].


I agree 100%.
How does this prove the coaching staff is doing there job?

Readers digest of what I just sent your buddy...... ;D

Did we have the Williams wall in 2005.
We had the players but we didn't have the wall.
What changed.
It wasn't the players, again they were both on the team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=MIN&year=2005#defense


Actually a lot of that was attributed to Kevin Williams having a really off year. People were writing him off as the next Chris Hovan at the time because of a seeming lack of production in the pass rush. Luckily, partly attributed to the new coaching, he bounced back with a stellar season under Tomlin next to Pat. That said, Pat was probably our team MVP in '05 IMO. So yeah, what I'm trying to say is that Pat has been playing at a high level since he got here but I agree with what you're saying.

Comeon my friend.
Just say it with me.........

New scheme, new atmosphere, New coaching got them out of that off year slump.
;D


Say it with me... You have a hard-on for Chilly.
;)


No C mac, hasn't Marrdro taught you anything??

He has a hard-on for the front office collectively, do you honestly think Childress is the only one who can induce hard-ons in overly optimistic fans?

Marrdro
01-11-2008, 04:18 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:








Although I am not one to worry about individual acolades I do see this as another aspect of how the coachings staff is doing thier job.

The players are finally getting comfortable with the scheme and they are playing better because of it.

Long story short, we have good coaches and very talented players on this team.
I look to see more of this stuff next year because of it.

;D


Once again Marr, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.

Hutchinson and Williams were both great players before this coaching staff and they will continue to be great players as soon as this coaching staff is gone [ ;) hopefully soon].


I agree 100%.
How does this prove the coaching staff is doing there job?

Readers digest of what I just sent your buddy...... ;D

Did we have the Williams wall in 2005.
We had the players but we didn't have the wall.
What changed.
It wasn't the players, again they were both on the team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=MIN&year=2005#defense


Actually a lot of that was attributed to Kevin Williams having a really off year. People were writing him off as the next Chris Hovan at the time because of a seeming lack of production in the pass rush. Luckily, partly attributed to the new coaching, he bounced back with a stellar season under Tomlin next to Pat. That said, Pat was probably our team MVP in '05 IMO. So yeah, what I'm trying to say is that Pat has been playing at a high level since he got here but I agree with what you're saying.

Comeon my friend.
Just say it with me.........

New scheme, new atmosphere, New coaching got them out of that off year slump.

;D


Say it with me... You have a hard-on for Chilly.
;)


No C mac, hasn't Marrdro taught you anything??

He has a hard-on for the front office collectively, do you honestly think Childress is the only one who can induce hard-ons in overly optimistic fans?

Your both cracking me up.
;D