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cogitans
01-03-2008, 03:19 AM
Edwards: 'I let them down' (http://www.twincities.com/ci_7867031?source=rss)

Suspended DE feels partly to blame for team missing playoffs

BY SEAN JENSEN
Pioneer Press

ultravikingfan
01-03-2008, 03:33 AM
No shit.
Pull your head out of your ass!

DaVizzles
01-03-2008, 03:41 AM
I think he is going to learn from his mistake. Hopefully he works hard this offseason and comes back faster and stronger.

cogitans
01-03-2008, 03:46 AM
According to this he did not take steroids, but talks of it like it were some kind of food supplement that contained more than advertised.

It's still very unprofessional if that excuse is actually true.

I'm still not convinced that I want him back on the team. Which is the same that goes for Smith and Scott. Idiots are unreliable.

DaVizzles
01-03-2008, 03:56 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


According to this he did not take steroids, but talks of it like it were some kind of food supplement that contained more than advertised.

It's still very unprofessional if that excuse is actually true.

I'm still not convinced that I want him back on the team. Which is the same that goes for Smith and Scott. Idiots are unreliable.


It is one mistake..I think he will be able to come back a better person and player after this incident. Smith and Scott on the other hand deserve to be cut from the team. Smith has had more then 1 incident and the way Scott acted to the police is just unacceptable.

cogitans
01-03-2008, 03:59 AM
"DaVizzles" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


According to this he did not take steroids, but talks of it like it were some kind of food supplement that contained more than advertised.

It's still very unprofessional if that excuse is actually true.

I'm still not convinced that I want him back on the team. Which is the same that goes for Smith and Scott. Idiots are unreliable.


It is one mistake..I think he will be able to come back a better person and player after this incident. Smith and Scott on the other hand deserve to be cut from the team. Smith has had more then 1 incident and the way Scott acted to the police is just unacceptable.

Well maybe. I'm just not sure.

If I were the coaches I would take a long hard look at the actual facts surrounding this violation. I'm always for being very tough on illegal substances. It's the absolute worst in sports to me.

PurpleTide
01-03-2008, 06:23 AM
I'm sure we will address the RDE position this offseason, but we need Ray back so we can continue with the rotation system we have implemented. Imagine a double digit sack monster at RDE, backed up by Ray, with Robison in the rotation spelling both ends.

ejmat
01-03-2008, 07:45 AM
"DaVizzles" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


According to this he did not take steroids, but talks of it like it were some kind of food supplement that contained more than advertised.

It's still very unprofessional if that excuse is actually true.

I'm still not convinced that I want him back on the team. Which is the same that goes for Smith and Scott. Idiots are unreliable.


It is one mistake..I think he will be able to come back a better person and player after this incident. Smith and Scott on the other hand deserve to be cut from the team. Smith has had more then 1 incident and the way Scott acted to the police is just unacceptable.



Scott doesn't even need to be cut.
He is an UFA.
I wouldn't re-sign him.
IMO he is nothing but selfish.
I liked him last year.
I saw a lot of talent and promise in him.
Hewever when he started the season wanting the coaching staff to hand him the starting job then breaks the law and expects to get out of it becasue he is an NFL player, to me he doesn't deserve to play anywhere.
He needs to earn playing time and respect.
This season he lost both.

Back to Edwards, there is no doubt he worked hard last off season.
He became a good DE.
Since we don't know what substance he actually used it's hard for me to lean one way or the other.
IMO it's not an excuse not to know.
There are trainers out there in which it is their jobs to tell the players what is legal and what isn't.
Obviously Ray didn't take the necessary precautions.
However, when I compare Ray Edwards to people like Smith and Scott he seems to be more remorse about what he did.
Whereas Smith and Scott don't seem to give a shit at all.

Marrdro
01-03-2008, 08:54 AM
He'll be back, way to much upside and as I've said repeatedly, we need a lot of guys to keep the legs fresh towards the end of the year.

The loss of Ray and basically no help from Erasmus really showed in the last two games.

Ray will provide much needed depth behind our new RDE they are going to go out and get in the FA period.
;D

Purple Floyd
01-03-2008, 09:07 AM
If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a jackass afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.

ejmat
01-03-2008, 09:15 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a jackass afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a jackass about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.

Purple Floyd
01-03-2008, 09:17 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a jackass afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a jackass about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.


Oh yeah, you can't support them forever. If t becomes a pattern or a trend you eventually need to cut the ties.

ejmat
01-03-2008, 09:32 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a jackass afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a jackass about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.


Oh yeah, you can't support them forever. If t becomes a pattern or a trend you eventually need to cut the ties.


All that being said, Edwards deserves a second chance but as Ultra said, he needs to get his head out of his ass and make sure what is right and wrong.

snowinapril
01-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Well atleast he isn't sitting around blaming others for his actions.
He did say that he should have looked at the substance list.
Plus, he was trying to better himself with the hand, eye, foot coordination.

Dumb Move on the suspension on his part.

I can't believe the test was in April of last year and his suspension was in the last month.
Wow, that is a delay!

cogitans
01-03-2008, 10:24 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:


Well atleast he isn't sitting around blaming others for his actions.
He did say that he should have looked at the substance list.
Plus, he was trying to better himself with the hand, eye, foot coordination.

Dumb Move on the suspension on his part.

I can't believe the test was in April of last year and his suspension was in the last month.
Wow, that is a delay!
Very true. This substance abuse program still breads no confidence with me.

NodakPaul
01-03-2008, 11:03 AM
The fact that Edwards is able to man up and admit his mistake is worth a lot in my book.

V4L
01-03-2008, 12:14 PM
Atta boy

Glad to see he manned up

Im looking forward to seeing him play again.. He is our best end

TheVike
01-03-2008, 07:16 PM
At least one somebody steps up to take the blame for SOMETHING!
On the other hand this is the biggest problem as I see iton our team like most pros
they are all tooo selfish selfish!

PacNWVike
01-03-2008, 07:22 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a jackass afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


I'm with you on that one.
Everyone can make a mistake.
Let's see if he learns from it...
;)

VikingMike
01-03-2008, 07:32 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


Well atleast he isn't sitting around blaming others for his actions.
He did say that he should have looked at the substance list.
Plus, he was trying to better himself with the hand, eye, foot coordination.

Dumb Move on the suspension on his part.

I can't believe the test was in April of last year and his suspension was in the last month.
Wow, that is a delay!



Good point, that means a lot in my book...just hope he learns from his error in judgment.

Mr Anderson
01-03-2008, 07:37 PM
I'd really like to find out what it is that he took.

I'm thinking it was some sort of fat burner, since he said it wasn't FDA approved, and those usually are not. So some kind of stimulant such as ephedra. Hydroxycut type products contain stimulants which basically elevate your heart rate and increase your metabolism. Edwards is a pretty lean guy already, but I guess he wanted to get his body fat down even more.


But this is all speculation, by me haha.

I like what I read about Edwards, hopefully we keep him around and he can produce for us next season.

Like Marrdro said, he has huge upside.

Marrdro
01-04-2008, 10:51 AM
"Mr" wrote:


I'd really like to find out what it is that he took.

I'm thinking it was some sort of fat burner, since he said it wasn't FDA approved, and those usually are not. So some kind of stimulant such as ephedra. Hydroxycut type products contain stimulants which basically elevate your heart rate and increase your metabolism. Edwards is a pretty lean guy already, but I guess he wanted to get his body fat down even more.


But this is all speculation, by me haha.

I like what I read about Edwards, hopefully we keep him around and he can produce for us next season.

Like Marrdro said, he has huge upside.

Mr. A.
A personal question that you can say "F off Marrdro I don't want to go there" .
A little background before the question.

Wildman and a couple of his buddies (on his baseball team) were over and the topic came up about Clemens and steroids and the boys led me to believe that they know more about this stuff than I.
Seems it might be a bit more prevalent than I thought and this causes me concern.

What if anything do you do to bulk up and what should I look for (as a parent) to make sure Wildman isn't trying to get an edge up on others?

Ltrey33
01-04-2008, 11:16 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


No shit.
Pull your head out of your ass!


LMAO....well said.

Zeus
01-04-2008, 11:25 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a jackass afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a jackass about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.


Oh yeah, you can't support them forever. If t becomes a pattern or a trend you eventually need to cut the ties.


All that being said, Edwards deserves a second chance but as Ultra said, he needs to get his head out of his ass and make sure what is right and wrong.


I thought the story was that he took a supplement that had a banned substance in it.
In that case, then he needs to get his head out of his ass and use the freaking phone number that ALL NFL players are given to check whether or not his supplement is on the "good" list.


=Z=

ejmat
01-04-2008, 11:37 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a jackass afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a jackass about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.


Oh yeah, you can't support them forever. If t becomes a pattern or a trend you eventually need to cut the ties.


All that being said, Edwards deserves a second chance but as Ultra said, he needs to get his head out of his ass and make sure what is right and wrong.


I thought the story was that he took a supplement that had a banned substance in it.
In that case, then he needs to get his head out of his ass and use the freaking phone number that ALL NFL players are given to check whether or not his supplement is on the "good" list.


=Z=


Yes that is what we said.
He needs to get his head out of his heads and ensure what he takes is approved by the league.

Marrdro
01-04-2008, 11:40 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:




If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a j~~~~~~s afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a j~~~~~~s about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.


Oh yeah, you can't support them forever. If t becomes a pattern or a trend you eventually need to cut the ties.


All that being said, Edwards deserves a second chance but as Ultra said, he needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and make sure what is right and wrong.


I thought the story was that he took a supplement that had a banned substance in it.
In that case, then he needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and use the freaking phone number that ALL NFL players are given to check whether or not his supplement is on the "good" list.


=Z=


Yes that is what we said.
He needs to get his head out of his heads and ensure what he takes is approved by the league.

You would think, and I am sure it is so, that every teams medical and conditioning departments would/should help them out in this area.

BleedinPandG
01-04-2008, 11:48 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:






If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a j~~~~~~s afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a j~~~~~~s about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.


Oh yeah, you can't support them forever. If t becomes a pattern or a trend you eventually need to cut the ties.


All that being said, Edwards deserves a second chance but as Ultra said, he needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and make sure what is right and wrong.


I thought the story was that he took a supplement that had a banned substance in it.
In that case, then he needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and use the freaking phone number that ALL NFL players are given to check whether or not his supplement is on the "good" list.


=Z=


Yes that is what we said.
He needs to get his head out of his heads and ensure what he takes is approved by the league.

You would think, and I am sure it is so, that every teams medical and conditioning departments would/should help them out in this area.


See, I think the big difference here is that Edwards owned up to it... admitted he made a mistake and says he should have checked with the guys he has.
The guy made a stupid mistake and he knows it.
Not sure why everyone wants to throw him under a train over it.

ejmat
01-04-2008, 11:50 AM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a j~~~~~~s afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a j~~~~~~s about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.


Oh yeah, you can't support them forever. If t becomes a pattern or a trend you eventually need to cut the ties.


All that being said, Edwards deserves a second chance but as Ultra said, he needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and make sure what is right and wrong.


I thought the story was that he took a supplement that had a banned substance in it.
In that case, then he needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and use the freaking phone number that ALL NFL players are given to check whether or not his supplement is on the "good" list.


=Z=


Yes that is what we said.
He needs to get his head out of his heads and ensure what he takes is approved by the league.

You would think, and I am sure it is so, that every teams medical and conditioning departments would/should help them out in this area.


See, I think the big difference here is that Edwards owned up to it... admitted he made a mistake and says he should have checked with the guys he has.
The guy made a stupid mistake and he knows it.
Not sure why everyone wants to throw him under a train over it.


Most of us aren't throwing him under a train.
In fact most of us agree with what you are saying in the fact he owned up to it.
However, we are also saying he had resources to tell him right from wrong and didn't use them.
For that he needs to get his head out of his ass because it did hurt the team.

V4L
01-04-2008, 12:07 PM
Oh well

Marrdro
01-04-2008, 12:08 PM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:








If a guy does something wrong and learns from it, I don't hold it against him. If he tries to cover it up and acts like a j~~~~~~s afterwards acting like the people still owe him something then I don't have much time for them.

I hope he has put it behind him and gets back to doing his job the right way next year.


Agreed Uff.
It's one thing to violate a contract or rule but it's another to act like a j~~~~~~s about it.
Now if it becomes a pattern that's a different story.


Oh yeah, you can't support them forever. If t becomes a pattern or a trend you eventually need to cut the ties.


All that being said, Edwards deserves a second chance but as Ultra said, he needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and make sure what is right and wrong.


I thought the story was that he took a supplement that had a banned substance in it.
In that case, then he needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and use the freaking phone number that ALL NFL players are given to check whether or not his supplement is on the "good" list.


=Z=


Yes that is what we said.
He needs to get his head out of his heads and ensure what he takes is approved by the league.

You would think, and I am sure it is so, that every teams medical and conditioning departments would/should help them out in this area.


See, I think the big difference here is that Edwards owned up to it... admitted he made a mistake and says he should have checked with the guys he has.
The guy made a stupid mistake and he knows it.
Not sure why everyone wants to throw him under a train over it.

I'm not.
I am only speculating on whether or not teams offer assistance with determining what is and isn't advisable to take.

I think I supported him coming back in my first post but can't remember.
;D

Mr Anderson
01-04-2008, 12:39 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


I'd really like to find out what it is that he took.

I'm thinking it was some sort of fat burner, since he said it wasn't FDA approved, and those usually are not. So some kind of stimulant such as ephedra. Hydroxycut type products contain stimulants which basically elevate your heart rate and increase your metabolism. Edwards is a pretty lean guy already, but I guess he wanted to get his body fat down even more.


But this is all speculation, by me haha.

I like what I read about Edwards, hopefully we keep him around and he can produce for us next season.

Like Marrdro said, he has huge upside.

Mr. A.
A personal question that you can say "F off Marrdro I don't want to go there" .
A little background before the question.

Wildman and a couple of his buddies (on his baseball team) were over and the topic came up about Clemens and steroids and the boys led me to believe that they know more about this stuff than I.
Seems it might be a bit more prevalent than I thought and this causes me concern.

What if anything do you do to bulk up and what should I look for (as a parent) to make sure Wildman isn't trying to get an edge up on others?


It's no problem, I get asked this question all the time.

I know guys who spend loads of cash on supplements and protein. Who eat like horses and work their asses of in the gym, but still struggle to put on any mass.

But that's not me. Honestly, I do nothing special. I lift and I eat. I try to eat clean, but I'm by no means strict with my diet. I don't stick to my lifting routine for more than a few weeks at a time. I skip workouts and slack in the gym. I've never take a supplement or drank a protein shake in my life. I think I'm just genetically blessed. I make huge strength and muscle mass gains really quickly. My friends call it my Viking genetics.

Last fall I went from a 275 pound bench press max to a 355 pound max from September to Thanksgiving. I did this doing just low-rep, high weight exercises. I did 5-3-1-3-5 pyramids(5 reps, 3 reps, 1 rep, 3 reps, 5 reps) on Monday and Friday and 8-6-4-6-8 pyramids on wednesdays.

Monday I did upper body, Wednesday I did a combo day, and Friday I did lower body. And that worked extremely well for me, but everyone is different.

I think you should encourage Wildman to get an edge up on others... but to do it legally and naturally
;D

But don't expect really big, fast results like I had. Not everyone has the genetic makeup and bone structure to put on muscle mass the way I did, and hoping for big results can lead to a lot of frustration.

Start slow, when you get in to the swing of things you can kick it up a notch.

And remember, keep the cupboard and fridge stocked
;D

Marrdro
01-04-2008, 12:58 PM
"Mr" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


I'd really like to find out what it is that he took.

I'm thinking it was some sort of fat burner, since he said it wasn't FDA approved, and those usually are not. So some kind of stimulant such as ephedra. Hydroxycut type products contain stimulants which basically elevate your heart rate and increase your metabolism. Edwards is a pretty lean guy already, but I guess he wanted to get his body fat down even more.


But this is all speculation, by me haha.

I like what I read about Edwards, hopefully we keep him around and he can produce for us next season.

Like Marrdro said, he has huge upside.

Mr. A.
A personal question that you can say "F off Marrdro I don't want to go there" .
A little background before the question.

Wildman and a couple of his buddies (on his baseball team) were over and the topic came up about Clemens and steroids and the boys led me to believe that they know more about this stuff than I.
Seems it might be a bit more prevalent than I thought and this causes me concern.

What if anything do you do to bulk up and what should I look for (as a parent) to make sure Wildman isn't trying to get an edge up on others?


It's no problem, I get asked this question all the time.

I know guys who spend loads of cash on supplements and protein. Who eat like horses and work their dimply buttocks of in the gym, but still struggle to put on any mass.

But that's not me. Honestly, I do nothing special. I lift and I eat. I try to eat clean, but I'm by no means strict with my diet. I don't stick to my lifting routine for more than a few weeks at a time. I skip workouts and slack in the gym. I've never take a supplement or drank a protein shake in my life. I think I'm just genetically blessed. I make huge strength and muscle mass gains really quickly. My friends call it my Viking genetics.

Last fall I went from a 275 pound bench press max to a 355 pound max from September to Thanksgiving. I did this doing just low-rep, high weight exercises. I did 5-3-1-3-5 pyramids(5 reps, 3 reps, 1 rep, 3 reps, 5 reps) on Monday and Friday and 8-6-4-6-8 pyramids on wednesdays.

Monday I did upper body, Wednesday I did a combo day, and Friday I did lower body. And that worked extremely well for me, but everyone is different.

I think you should encourage Wildman to get an edge up on others... but to do it legally and naturally
;D

But don't expect really big, fast results like I had. Not everyone has the genetic makeup and bone structure to put on muscle mass the way I did, and hoping for big results can lead to a lot of frustration.

Start slow, when you get in to the swing of things you can kick it up a notch.

And remember, keep the cupboard and fridge stocked
;D

As always, this site is great.
Excellent response Mr. A.

One more question. Are there things out there I should watch for?
Indicators that would lead me to believe he is doing something that isn't on the up and up.

The all lift together under the coaches watchfull eye, unless they go someplace (a parents house) to lift.

Our house was the gymn of choice yesterday, that is how I overheard them talking about it.

Mr Anderson
01-04-2008, 01:08 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


I'd really like to find out what it is that he took.

I'm thinking it was some sort of fat burner, since he said it wasn't FDA approved, and those usually are not. So some kind of stimulant such as ephedra. Hydroxycut type products contain stimulants which basically elevate your heart rate and increase your metabolism. Edwards is a pretty lean guy already, but I guess he wanted to get his body fat down even more.


But this is all speculation, by me haha.

I like what I read about Edwards, hopefully we keep him around and he can produce for us next season.

Like Marrdro said, he has huge upside.

Mr. A.
A personal question that you can say "F off Marrdro I don't want to go there" .
A little background before the question.

Wildman and a couple of his buddies (on his baseball team) were over and the topic came up about Clemens and steroids and the boys led me to believe that they know more about this stuff than I.
Seems it might be a bit more prevalent than I thought and this causes me concern.

What if anything do you do to bulk up and what should I look for (as a parent) to make sure Wildman isn't trying to get an edge up on others?


It's no problem, I get asked this question all the time.

I know guys who spend loads of cash on supplements and protein. Who eat like horses and work their dimply buttocks of in the gym, but still struggle to put on any mass.

But that's not me. Honestly, I do nothing special. I lift and I eat. I try to eat clean, but I'm by no means strict with my diet. I don't stick to my lifting routine for more than a few weeks at a time. I skip workouts and slack in the gym. I've never take a supplement or drank a protein shake in my life. I think I'm just genetically blessed. I make huge strength and muscle mass gains really quickly. My friends call it my Viking genetics.

Last fall I went from a 275 pound bench press max to a 355 pound max from September to Thanksgiving. I did this doing just low-rep, high weight exercises. I did 5-3-1-3-5 pyramids(5 reps, 3 reps, 1 rep, 3 reps, 5 reps) on Monday and Friday and 8-6-4-6-8 pyramids on wednesdays.

Monday I did upper body, Wednesday I did a combo day, and Friday I did lower body. And that worked extremely well for me, but everyone is different.

I think you should encourage Wildman to get an edge up on others... but to do it legally and naturally
;D

But don't expect really big, fast results like I had. Not everyone has the genetic makeup and bone structure to put on muscle mass the way I did, and hoping for big results can lead to a lot of frustration.

Start slow, when you get in to the swing of things you can kick it up a notch.

And remember, keep the cupboard and fridge stocked
;D

As always, this site is great.
Excellent response Mr. A.

One more question. Are there things out there I should watch for?
Indicators that would lead me to believe he is doing something that isn't on the up and up.

The all lift together under the coaches watchfull eye, unless they go someplace (a parents house) to lift.

Our house was the gymn of choice yesterday, that is how I overheard them talking about it.

If you're talking about steroids? I'd look for an empty wallet, mood swings, large gains quickly, and increased acne... but in teens it's difficult to tell, since many of those things are prevalent without steroid use.

Marrdro
01-04-2008, 01:12 PM
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I'd really like to find out what it is that he took.

I'm thinking it was some sort of fat burner, since he said it wasn't FDA approved, and those usually are not. So some kind of stimulant such as ephedra. Hydroxycut type products contain stimulants which basically elevate your heart rate and increase your metabolism. Edwards is a pretty lean guy already, but I guess he wanted to get his body fat down even more.


But this is all speculation, by me haha.

I like what I read about Edwards, hopefully we keep him around and he can produce for us next season.

Like Marrdro said, he has huge upside.

Mr. A.
A personal question that you can say "F off Marrdro I don't want to go there" .
A little background before the question.

Wildman and a couple of his buddies (on his baseball team) were over and the topic came up about Clemens and steroids and the boys led me to believe that they know more about this stuff than I.
Seems it might be a bit more prevalent than I thought and this causes me concern.

What if anything do you do to bulk up and what should I look for (as a parent) to make sure Wildman isn't trying to get an edge up on others?


It's no problem, I get asked this question all the time.

I know guys who spend loads of cash on supplements and protein. Who eat like horses and work their dimply buttocks of in the gym, but still struggle to put on any mass.

But that's not me. Honestly, I do nothing special. I lift and I eat. I try to eat clean, but I'm by no means strict with my diet. I don't stick to my lifting routine for more than a few weeks at a time. I skip workouts and slack in the gym. I've never take a supplement or drank a protein shake in my life. I think I'm just genetically blessed. I make huge strength and muscle mass gains really quickly. My friends call it my Viking genetics.

Last fall I went from a 275 pound bench press max to a 355 pound max from September to Thanksgiving. I did this doing just low-rep, high weight exercises. I did 5-3-1-3-5 pyramids(5 reps, 3 reps, 1 rep, 3 reps, 5 reps) on Monday and Friday and 8-6-4-6-8 pyramids on wednesdays.

Monday I did upper body, Wednesday I did a combo day, and Friday I did lower body. And that worked extremely well for me, but everyone is different.

I think you should encourage Wildman to get an edge up on others... but to do it legally and naturally
;D

But don't expect really big, fast results like I had. Not everyone has the genetic makeup and bone structure to put on muscle mass the way I did, and hoping for big results can lead to a lot of frustration.

Start slow, when you get in to the swing of things you can kick it up a notch.

And remember, keep the cupboard and fridge stocked
;D

As always, this site is great.
Excellent response Mr. A.

One more question. Are there things out there I should watch for?
Indicators that would lead me to believe he is doing something that isn't on the up and up.

The all lift together under the coaches watchfull eye, unless they go someplace (a parents house) to lift.

Our house was the gymn of choice yesterday, that is how I overheard them talking about it.

If you're talking about steroids? I'd look for an empty wallet, mood swings, large gains quickly, and increased acne... but in teens it's difficult to tell, since many of those things are prevalent without steroid use.

Thanks.
I am probably over reacting anyway.
Just the Dad in me.