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COJOMAY
01-02-2008, 02:52 PM
Childress' year-end press conference will be broadcast live on KFAN Thursday morning (tomorrow) at 11 a.m. Central time (Noon Eastern). He's a link to the station:
http://www.kfan.com/main.html
Click on the right hand side to "Listen Live."

Hopefully Chilly will give us some clues about what's upcoming for the Vikes next year.

DaVizzles
01-02-2008, 02:57 PM
Thanks..

Hopefully he will annonce that Troy Williamson has been cut. :)

COJOMAY
01-02-2008, 03:02 PM
"DaVizzles" wrote:


Thanks..

Hopefully he will annonce that Troy Williamson has been cut. :)


I doubt he'll do that when there is a chance he can still use him as trade bait or draft bait despite how bad he is. He will not be outright cut.

skum
01-02-2008, 03:22 PM
Is 11 eastern here in ½hour?..

Remeber my trick to listen to KFAN from abroad
http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=39671.msg693742;topicseen

COJOMAY
01-02-2008, 03:25 PM
"skum" wrote:


Is 11 eastern here in ½hour?..

Remeber my trick to listen to KFAN from abroad
http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=39671.msg693742;topicseen




Gad's
I don't know when that would be your time. Remember it's THURSDAY here at 11 a.m.

skum
01-02-2008, 03:26 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


"skum" wrote:


Is 11 eastern here in ½hour?..

Remeber my trick to listen to KFAN from abroad
http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=39671.msg693742;topicseen




Gad's
I don't know when that would be your time. Remember it's THURSDAY here at 11 a.m.


Misread that, its tomorrow, dont bother then..
;)

AngloVike
01-02-2008, 03:46 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


"skum" wrote:


Is 11 eastern here in ½hour?..

Remeber my trick to listen to KFAN from abroad
http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=39671.msg693742;topicseen


Gad's
I don't know when that would be your time. Remember it's THURSDAY here at 11 a.m.


11am eastern = 4pm GMT(UK) = 5pm CET
;D

Purple Floyd
01-02-2008, 10:20 PM
Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.

marstc09
01-02-2008, 10:59 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?

Purple Floyd
01-03-2008, 09:20 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.

skum
01-03-2008, 09:36 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)

C Mac D
01-03-2008, 09:46 AM
"skum" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)


Well, hopefully Childress can acquire a personality in the off-season.

Marrdro
01-03-2008, 09:55 AM
"C" wrote:


"skum" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)


Well, hopefully Childress can acquire a personality in the off-season.

He has a personality, it just isn't one that you approve of.

I for one don't give a damn what his personnality is like as long as the team keeps getting better.
That is what I want him to do in the offseason.

cogitans
01-03-2008, 10:08 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"skum" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:




Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)


Well, hopefully Childress can acquire a personality in the off-season.

He has a personality, it just isn't one that you approve of.

I for one don't give a damn what his personnality is like as long as the team keeps getting better.
That is what I want him to do in the offseason.
He has a good personality, and a damn funny dry sense of humor

Purple Floyd
01-03-2008, 10:22 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"skum" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:






Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)


Well, hopefully Childress can acquire a personality in the off-season.

He has a personality, it just isn't one that you approve of.

I for one don't give a damn what his personnality is like as long as the team keeps getting better.
That is what I want him to do in the offseason.
He has a good personality, and a damn funny dry sense of humor


Very dry. You really have to listen to find the humor in him, but it is there.

I think he would be a great ventriloquist

cogitans
01-03-2008, 10:25 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"skum" wrote:








Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)


Well, hopefully Childress can acquire a personality in the off-season.

He has a personality, it just isn't one that you approve of.

I for one don't give a damn what his personnality is like as long as the team keeps getting better.
That is what I want him to do in the offseason.
He has a good personality, and a damn funny dry sense of humor


Very dry. You really have to listen to find the humor in him, but it is there.

I think he would be a great ventriloquist
Not me. I have heard it from day one. I actually think I have never heard him, or read a press conference script, without laughing out at least one time.

I think he's funny as hell

Purple Floyd
01-03-2008, 10:27 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:










Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)


Well, hopefully Childress can acquire a personality in the off-season.

He has a personality, it just isn't one that you approve of.

I for one don't give a damn what his personnality is like as long as the team keeps getting better.
That is what I want him to do in the offseason.
He has a good personality, and a damn funny dry sense of humor


Very dry. You really have to listen to find the humor in him, but it is there.

I think he would be a great ventriloquist
Not me. I have heard it from day one. I actually think I have never heard him, or read a press conference script, without laughing out at least one time.

I think he's funny as hell


The question is:

Is he good enough that he should quit his day job?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cogitans
01-03-2008, 10:29 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:












Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)


Well, hopefully Childress can acquire a personality in the off-season.

He has a personality, it just isn't one that you approve of.

I for one don't give a damn what his personnality is like as long as the team keeps getting better.
That is what I want him to do in the offseason.
He has a good personality, and a damn funny dry sense of humor


Very dry. You really have to listen to find the humor in him, but it is there.

I think he would be a great ventriloquist
Not me. I have heard it from day one. I actually think I have never heard him, or read a press conference script, without laughing out at least one time.

I think he's funny as hell


The question is:

Is he good enough that he should quit his day job?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Now you got it

Marrdro
01-03-2008, 10:38 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:














Hopefully he doesn't get in a pissing match like he did with Paul Allen last week.





What happend?


PA was asking him about whether he would do anything different with the QB position and he got more than a little testy wit him.


Yeah, Vikings Live @ Winter Park was funnier with Mike Tice ;)


Well, hopefully Childress can acquire a personality in the off-season.

He has a personality, it just isn't one that you approve of.

I for one don't give a gol 'darnit what his personnality is like as long as the team keeps getting better.
That is what I want him to do in the offseason.
He has a good personality, and a gol 'darnit funny dry sense of humor


Very dry. You really have to listen to find the humor in him, but it is there.

I think he would be a great ventriloquist
Not me. I have heard it from day one. I actually think I have never heard him, or read a press conference script, without laughing out at least one time.

I think he's funny as hell


The question is:

Is he good enough that he should quit his day job?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Now you got it

Who said all the levity had left PPO.
;D(lots of smileys) ;D

V4L
01-03-2008, 12:08 PM
I cant find this?

NodakPaul
01-03-2008, 12:19 PM
f-ing KFan needs to stop screwing around with the conference feed.
Some of us actually want to hear it. Grrrr.

V4L
01-03-2008, 12:23 PM
Im confused whats going on?

NodakPaul
01-03-2008, 12:25 PM
They have added that stupid "love moan" thing that PA and Dubay do all the time, and when one of the reporters was asking a question, they replaced it with a question about whether or not Childress likes to wear women's underwear.
They have laid off it a little now, but it was annoying at first.

V4L
01-03-2008, 12:27 PM
Where do i listen?!

I cant find it?

skum
01-03-2008, 12:29 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Where do i listen?!

I cant find it?


http://kfan.com/cc-common/streaming_new/index.html

NodakPaul
01-03-2008, 12:29 PM
http://www.kfan.com/main.html

V4L
01-03-2008, 12:30 PM
Thanks Scum!

skum
01-03-2008, 12:36 PM
HAHA,, There it was.. an actual joke by Childress that got a major laugh..

"You guys grade my work"!!

skum
01-03-2008, 12:37 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Thanks Scum!


Who's Scum?

V4L
01-03-2008, 12:39 PM
Sorry bro.. Skum :)

That press conference was not worth waking up for!

V4L
01-03-2008, 12:44 PM
Go Ryan Cook!!

ThorSPL
01-03-2008, 03:43 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Go Ryan Cook!!


What did I miss?

C Mac D
01-03-2008, 03:50 PM
"ThorSPL" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Go Ryan Cook!!


What did I miss?


I hope it was Sarcasm... Ryan Cook got owned that entire Denver game.

TheVike
01-03-2008, 07:10 PM
What for....I am sure not ONE solitary word he did nothing wrong as WE ALL kn ow, correct?

vikesfargo
01-03-2008, 08:39 PM
I haven't seen an MP3 or audio link, but the transcript is online. (http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_childresspc10308.aspx)

NodakPaul
01-03-2008, 09:05 PM
"TheVike" wrote:


What for....I am sure not ONE solitary word he did nothing wrong as WE ALL kn ow, correct?


??? You lost me there.

MaxVike
01-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...I read the entire transcript, there are no jaded glasses there; simply honest, blunt assesment from an NFL Head Coach.
I thought he was a stand-up "man" and was actually impressed with the dialogue.

I am responsible for managing alot of people, in a very stressful job, have been through many, many leadership mind melds...blah, blah, blah; all that as a backdrop to shamelessly try to qualify myself as a person who can recognize leadership.
You, or I, may not like Childress.....simply not the point.
I am of the seemingly minority opinion that this man can coach, and that his system may have significant merit.
I am sure many of you out there are much more qualified than me, however, I like Childress and am optimistic that this Team is clearly on the rise.

Good stuff from the Chiller.

baumy300
01-03-2008, 10:25 PM
"MaxVike" wrote:


Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...


Yeah, he's a hell of a motivator too
::)

MaxVike
01-03-2008, 11:01 PM
"baumy300" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...


Yeah, he's a hell of a motivator too
::)




Bring it.....perhaps a counterpoint.

baumy300
01-03-2008, 11:20 PM
"MaxVike" wrote:


"baumy300" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...


Yeah, he's a hell of a motivator too
::)




Bring it.....perhaps a counterpoint.


I'm just saying that it's pretty sad when the two biggest games of the season are also the two games that we were the flattest in. Or at least it seemed.

Also, don't forget how flat we were against Green Bay. Still though, no excuse for the last two.

MaxVike
01-03-2008, 11:55 PM
"baumy300" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


"baumy300" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...


Yeah, he's a hell of a motivator too
::)





Bring it.....perhaps a counterpoint.


I'm just saying that it's pretty sad when the two biggest games of the season are also the two games that we were the flattest in. Or at least it seemed.

Also, don't forget how flat we were against Green Bay. Still though, no excuse for the last two.


I agree, for the most part.
I'm still pissed about the 'Skins game (deja vu all over again for you older members), but, give a HOF coach (Gibbs), a one dimensional offense and he'll kick your ass everytime.
That was Chilly's first Playoff game, and, so, head to head, the 'Skins are a better Team.
Regarding the Broncos game: Chilly absolutely DID NOT lose that game........our boys simply did not make plays; that is undeniable IMO.

Regarding the Broncos game: our boys simply did not make plays, I'll betcha they would agree.
I'm exhausted still from that game.

Now, reflect upon the season...remember the missed pass for a TD against the Lions and the missed pass for a TD against the Chiefs; my argument, all along, has been those two plays cost us the Playoffs.
That said, I give Chiller alot of credit for bucking up and not mentioning those plays, and, bringing this team back after the loss to Green Bay.


Now, let's address motivation...I'm not sure how any of us can measure the ability to motivate.
Certainly, those that can moticate have been captured in history (Patton, Lombardi, the Gipper), however, I have no confidence in anyone's abililty here to measure Childress' ability to motivate, with all due respect.

mountainviking
01-04-2008, 02:24 AM
Hmm, First in Explosive plays!
That sounds even better than first in rushing.
Only 25th in explosive passing plays...that's the ticket to fix!

So many rookies contributing at a high level and learning on the fly!
7 probowlers and 4? alternates!!!
Probably 90+% returning players with at least a year in the system, most with 2...they're getting to know each other...strengths, weaknesses, plays they like, subtle tweaks...


I just think the positives with this team coming back and the experience that they gained that all of them will continue to improve because as we talked about in our team meeting yesterday, they are all interested in getting individually as good as they can and collectively as good as they can. I think we’ll see that as we go through this offseason. Certainly none of us have a crystal ball, but those men that I talked to yesterday in that room are interested in getting better, and that’s obviously huge for us.

I like where this team is headed, and I'm already excited for next season!!!

Marrdro
01-04-2008, 10:08 AM
"MaxVike" wrote:


Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...I read the entire transcript, there are no jaded glasses there; simply honest, blunt assesment from an NFL Head Coach.
I thought he was a stand-up "man" and was actually impressed with the dialogue.

I am responsible for managing alot of people, in a very stressful job, have been through many, many leadership mind melds...blah, blah, blah; all that as a backdrop to shamelessly try to qualify myself as a person who can recognize leadership.
You, or I, may not like Childress.....simply not the point.
I am of the seemingly minority opinion that this man can coach, and that his system may have significant merit.
I am sure many of you out there are much more qualified than me, however, I like Childress and am optimistic that this Team is clearly on the rise.

Good stuff from the Chiller.

I need to pull up my spreadsheet and see what collumn I have you in.
You just made it to the top of the class if you weren't there already.

Excellent post.
;D

Purple Floyd
01-04-2008, 10:20 AM
"MaxVike" wrote:


Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...I read the entire transcript, there are no jaded glasses there; simply honest, blunt assesment from an NFL Head Coach.
I thought he was a stand-up "man" and was actually impressed with the dialogue.

I am responsible for managing alot of people, in a very stressful job, have been through many, many leadership mind melds...blah, blah, blah; all that as a backdrop to shamelessly try to qualify myself as a person who can recognize leadership.
You, or I, may not like Childress.....simply not the point.
I am of the seemingly minority opinion that this man can coach, and that his system may have significant merit.
I am sure many of you out there are much more qualified than me, however, I like Childress and am optimistic that this Team is clearly on the rise.

Good stuff from the Chiller.


Sometimes, as you know, people can say the right things in an interview or in a book they are writing for instance, but they may not be as effective when actually dealing with the different personalities that they encounter in everyday life. Soundbites work very well in the press, but I have also seen some brilliant people who could have very thoughtful and insightful responses to general questions that can be thought out in detail while laying awake in bed at night, but when faced with responding to different personalities face to face they didn't do well at all.

I am not saying this is the case with chilly but I am sure you see it yourself.

TheVike
01-04-2008, 09:06 PM
Sounds like a coach and being one are two difff things....Talk is cheap..show me the W'sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

cogitans
01-05-2008, 05:37 AM
Not So Fast? (http://www2.kfan.com/content/vikings/story.aspx?content_id=a9bad5ee-6a0c-4a4a-abf1-0686d1a97950)

Reported by: Phil Mackey

Marrdro
01-05-2008, 07:34 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


Not So Fast? (http://www2.kfan.com/content/vikings/story.aspx?content_id=a9bad5ee-6a0c-4a4a-abf1-0686d1a97950)

Reported by: Phil Mackey

A very nice read my friend.
I like the way you guys put articles in the same thread that have basically the same quotes in them.


Gives us a chance to see how the same quote is spun by different writers to meet thier ideas.

Again, thanks.

cogitans
01-05-2008, 08:08 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


Not So Fast? (http://www2.kfan.com/content/vikings/story.aspx?content_id=a9bad5ee-6a0c-4a4a-abf1-0686d1a97950)

Reported by: Phil Mackey

A very nice read my friend.
I like the way you guys put articles in the same thread that have basically the same quotes in them.


Gives us a chance to see how the same quote is spun by different writers to meet thier ideas.

Again, thanks.
I try to make the articles fit in if they can. Only creating a new thread if I feel it deserves its own.

Sometime - like with this one - it can be tough, though to find out where to put it.

Marrdro
01-05-2008, 08:09 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


Not So Fast? (http://www2.kfan.com/content/vikings/story.aspx?content_id=a9bad5ee-6a0c-4a4a-abf1-0686d1a97950)

Reported by: Phil Mackey

A very nice read my friend.
I like the way you guys put articles in the same thread that have basically the same quotes in them.


Gives us a chance to see how the same quote is spun by different writers to meet thier ideas.

Again, thanks.
I try to make the articles fit in if they can. Only creating a new thread if I feel it deserves its own.

Sometime - like with this one - it can be tough, though to find out where to put it.

You just keep on keeping on and don't worry about what some think.
You, Singer and COJO do a great job of getting it right a heck of alot more times than you do getting it wrong.
;D

Marrdro
01-05-2008, 09:32 AM
For those of you who couldn't listen to it.

Season-Ending Press Conference

Head Coach Brad Childress

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_childresspc10308.aspx

Marrdro
01-05-2008, 09:59 AM
Q: Does Kevin Rogers go down and work with Jackson in the offseason or are there any other extra things that he can do?

A: If he does he is in violation of NFL rules. He can’t go down anywhere to work him out. Now Tarvaris can come here, and he will be here, but that’s what we do.


Q: Does he start film review on March 17 or is that just physical stuff?

A: No, they do part film. There are rules about how long they can be in the building and how much time they can spend. You can’t hold them here against their will.


I wonder how many people were aware of those two facts?
I new of the first one but didn't know the second rule.


Q: As you begin discussions with Spielman, is there a wish list you have as far as what positions you would like to add to?

A: I think that becomes clearer as we go back through and talk about where we are at with our team, in talking to the position coaches and talking segments, offense, defense and special teams.
It is no secret it was an initiative for us to increase our productivity in special teams last year.
I don’t think that that’s fully crystal clear yet. Once again that’s part of the process that we go through here in the next three months.

Please please please Rick, go get us the guys the coaches need/ask for.
;D


Q: As far as play-calling, how much did Darrell Bevell actually end up doing it and how pleased were you with how things worked?

A:
I thought he did a very, very good job.
He did a very good job at taking suggestions as well, when you strongly suggest, like a quarterback draw there at the end of the game.
The great thing is there is a pretty good repartee that goes on. I look at things and see different things on the field than he sees from upstairs.
You just have to be careful not to knock a guy out of a train of thought when he is on a roll or when he is he trying to set something up with what’s next, what’s next, what’s next?
I can be admonished from time to time from him too just in terms of…and you know what? That’s being able to communicate. Andy (Reid) and I used to go back and forth that way all the time.


Hmmm, wonder why everyone that wanted to argue about who was actually calling the plays haven't come back and said anything about being wrong on that one.

Kindof found it funny to think that the Chiller would take a scolding from a Coord.
;D

V4L
01-05-2008, 11:16 AM
Darell Bevell sucked at calling plays

We all can agree that was some of the worst play calling ever this year

Marrdro
01-05-2008, 11:21 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Darell Bevell sucked at calling plays

We all can agree that was some of the worst play calling ever this year

Not all of us.

I still contend that the play calling this year was significanty hindered not by the caller of the plays but rather the abililty of the offense to execute it.

a.
Poor OL play.
b.
Poor QB play.
c.
Dropped passes.
d.
Missed blocks.

etc etc etc.

Again, it isn't like the art of designing a play and calling it based on down, distance and game situation is something you need a rocket scientist to do my friend.
::)

Overlord
01-05-2008, 12:35 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Darell Bevell sucked at calling plays

We all can agree that was some of the worst play calling ever this year

Not all of us.

I still contend that the play calling this year was significanty hindered not by the caller of the plays but rather the abililty of the offense to execute it.

a.
Poor OL play.
b.
Poor QB play.
c.
Dropped passes.
d.
Missed blocks.

etc etc etc.

Again, it isn't like the art of designing a play and calling it based on down, distance and game situation is something you need a rocket scientist to do my friend.
::)


Alright, I'm just going to go ahead and disagree with your 'players failed to execute' excuse.
Part of calling plays is designing plays that your players can and do execute well against the opposition.


Consider the teams that would run the ball straight up the middle against us.
Why would their coaches do that?
It was never successful, but they thought they had to do it anyway.
That's bad play calling.
The first half of the Kansas City game sticks out in my mind in that regard.

We were doing the same thing whenever we asked Cook to block someone lined up outside the TE, when we asked Williamson to catch the ball, or when we asked Tarvaris to make a quick read against a blitz (couldn't always know that's coming though).
Those were things that just weren't very successful for us.

In contrast, getting the ball to AD was usually successful.
Getting the ball to Chester Taylor was usually successful.
That's what we did well.

So I thought we passed way too much early in the season when our running game was being very successful.
This was especially annoying on third-and-short.
I also thought we punted way too much on 4th down when we had a manageable distance and the field position wasn't prohibitive.

As the season went on, teams changed the way they played us and our passing game also improved, so I think the play calling looked better.
I also liked a few of the trick plays we ran, mostly successfully, throughout the season.
I really liked the onside kicks, even though both ended with 3-and-outs.

Overall I guess that I think the playcalling was fine, considering that no one can do it perfectly and you do need to mix it up from time to time.
I'm really mostly still bitter about the first 4 weeks, and only the Detroit and Green Bay games in particular.


I also think our playcalling will look better next year for two reasons.
First, as 'the game slows down' for Tarvaris and our passing game becomes more effective the natural tendency of the coaches to want to pass in certain situations will actually beging to make sense.
Second, as the players and coaches get more experience in the system, the ability of the team to prepare adequately during the week should improve.
Based on our post bye week performance under Childress so far, and Reid is the same way, I think that this will be important.

Marrdro
01-05-2008, 12:49 PM
"Overlord" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Darell Bevell sucked at calling plays

We all can agree that was some of the worst play calling ever this year

Not all of us.

I still contend that the play calling this year was significanty hindered not by the caller of the plays but rather the abililty of the offense to execute it.

a.
Poor OL play.
b.
Poor QB play.
c.
Dropped passes.
d.
Missed blocks.

etc etc etc.

Again, it isn't like the art of designing a play and calling it based on down, distance and game situation is something you need a rocket scientist to do my friend.

::)


Alright, I'm just going to go ahead and disagree with your 'players failed to execute' excuse.
Part of calling plays is designing plays that your players can and do execute well against the opposition.


Consider the teams that would run the ball straight up the middle against us.
Why would their coaches do that?
It was never successful, but they thought they had to do it anyway.
That's bad play calling.
The first half of the Kansas City game sticks out in my mind in that regard.

We were doing the same thing whenever we asked Cook to block someone lined up outside the TE, when we asked Williamson to catch the ball, or when we asked Tarvaris to make a quick read against a blitz (couldn't always know that's coming though).
Those were things that just weren't very successful for us.

In contrast, getting the ball to AD was usually successful.
Getting the ball to Chester Taylor was usually successful.
That's what we did well.

So I thought we passed way too much early in the season when our running game was being very successful.
This was especially annoying on third-and-short.
I also thought we punted way too much on 4th down when we had a manageable distance and the field position wasn't prohibitive.

As the season went on, teams changed the way they played us and our passing game also improved, so I think the play calling looked better.
I also liked a few of the trick plays we ran, mostly successfully, throughout the season.
I really liked the onside kicks, even though both ended with 3-and-outs.

Overall I guess that I think the playcalling was fine, considering that no one can do it perfectly and you do need to mix it up from time to time.
I'm really mostly still bitter about the first 4 weeks, and only the Detroit and Green Bay games in particular.


I also think our playcalling will look better next year for two reasons.
First, as 'the game slows down' for Tarvaris and our passing game becomes more effective the natural tendency of the coaches to want to pass in certain situations will actually beging to make sense.
Second, as the players and coaches get more experience in the system, the ability of the team to prepare adequately during the week should improve.
Based on our post bye week performance under Childress so far, and Reid is the same way, I think that this will be important.

Excellent post, as always my friend.


Look, I am not laying it all on the players.
There were several games where I scratched my slightly balding head over a call or two, but if one were to really watch other teams play you would see the same types of things.

Obviously it is because the staff saw something on tape that they thought we could do something against.
Truth be told that always doesn't work and thus the head scratching on our part.

Just one time I would love to get ahold of one of those damn headsets and hear all the chatter that goes on especially as the teams switch packages between plays.

The game within the game my friend.
;D

Again, an excellent post.

mountainviking
01-05-2008, 01:49 PM
To some extent, its always a two way street from coaches to players.
Same as the QB to WRs, and the OL to the RB, DL to the LBs ect...they either make each other look good, or look bad.
Looking back, Marrdro's idea that the playcalling has been limited due to ablity/knowledge/familiarity makes sense.
Last year and early this year, with backup QBs a bunch, it was pretty boring.
Way too many failed third and shorts we likely would have had on a running play!
Later in the season, we started seeing more and more trick plays, and many were successful!
I see this team improving even without FA or the draft.
All those draft picks from the past two years have that much more experience.
More of the team is comfortable in their role in the system, which helps the others to catch on too.


Typical reporter, trying to stir something up...gotta love TJack's response...and the DBacks is interesting too:


...do the Vikings have enough playmakers on the offense for 2008?

“Um, [laughs] I’m not going to comment on that,” Antoine Winfield said.

Fair enough.

What about you, Mr. Sharper? Do the Vikings have enough playmakers on offense?

“Yeah, I think that we do,” Sharper said. “We’ve shown some explosiveness, but it’s just being explosive on a consistent level.”

When asked the same question, Jackson smiled awkwardly and said, “I feel like we have a lot of great guys here. We can get the job done just going out there and being comfortable with each other.”

Translation - “I feel like we have a lot of great guys here. But we could use some guys who don’t drop touchdown passes.”

Still, Jackson refused to throw any of his teammates under the bus.

“The receivers can only be as good as the quarterback.”

MaxVike
01-05-2008, 02:14 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...I read the entire transcript, there are no jaded glasses there; simply honest, blunt assesment from an NFL Head Coach.
I thought he was a stand-up "man" and was actually impressed with the dialogue.

I am responsible for managing alot of people, in a very stressful job, have been through many, many leadership mind melds...blah, blah, blah; all that as a backdrop to shamelessly try to qualify myself as a person who can recognize leadership.
You, or I, may not like Childress.....simply not the point.
I am of the seemingly minority opinion that this man can coach, and that his system may have significant merit.
I am sure many of you out there are much more qualified than me, however, I like Childress and am optimistic that this Team is clearly on the rise.

Good stuff from the Chiller.

I need to pull up my spreadsheet and see what collumn I have you in.
You just made it to the top of the class if you weren't there already.

Excellent post.
;D


Too kind Marr.
Love this place.

Marrdro
01-05-2008, 03:41 PM
"MaxVike" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


Chilly sounds like a COACH, and a leader...I read the entire transcript, there are no jaded glasses there; simply honest, blunt assesment from an NFL Head Coach.
I thought he was a stand-up "man" and was actually impressed with the dialogue.

I am responsible for managing alot of people, in a very stressful job, have been through many, many leadership mind melds...blah, blah, blah; all that as a backdrop to shamelessly try to qualify myself as a person who can recognize leadership.
You, or I, may not like Childress.....simply not the point.
I am of the seemingly minority opinion that this man can coach, and that his system may have significant merit.
I am sure many of you out there are much more qualified than me, however, I like Childress and am optimistic that this Team is clearly on the rise.

Good stuff from the Chiller.

I need to pull up my spreadsheet and see what collumn I have you in.
You just made it to the top of the class if you weren't there already.

Excellent post.
;D


Too kind Marr.
Love this place.

Just speaking the truth (at least the way I see it).
Remember that the next time I disagree with you and you want to get mad at me for it.

;D

Purple Floyd
01-05-2008, 04:27 PM
The problem I have with accepting the idea that we didn't have the proper players to execute the offense is that the team went out and got the players they wanted for the team and they stated publicly that they had the players they needed to run the offense.

If they were lying, what does that say to their competence and if they were honest,what does it say about their ability to evaluate a roster? They had millions of dollars to bring in other players if needed and I have yet to hear anyone say that the front office has not been willing to give the coaches the players they want.

IMO we do have the talent to be more productive than we were this year. I do not believe we have the talent to win the SB, but we had enough talent to beat Washington, Denver,Detroit, KC etc. We did not lose those games for lack of talent, we lost due to lack of execution and that is the responsibility of the coaching staff( Coordinators,Position coaches etc.) to resolve.

There are teams that accept the idea of players and coaches failing to fix the small stuff and you see them on the couch in the playoffs while the teams that do not accept missed assignments are still playing consistently over the years. I know which type of team I would like us to become, but it is a long way off at this point.

Marrdro
01-05-2008, 04:38 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


The problem I have with accepting the idea that we didn't have the proper players to execute the offense is that the team went out and got the players they wanted for the team and they stated publicly that they had the players they needed to run the offense.

If they were lying, what does that say to their competence and if they were honest,what does it say about their ability to evaluate a roster? They had millions of dollars to bring in other players if needed and I have yet to hear anyone say that the front office has not been willing to give the coaches the players they want.

IMO we do have the talent to be more productive than we were this year. I do not believe we have the talent to win the SB, but we had enough talent to beat Washington, Denver,Detroit, KC etc. We did not lose those games for lack of talent, we lost due to lack of execution and that is the responsibility of the coaching staff( Coordinators,Position coaches etc.) to resolve.
There are teams that accept the idea of players and coaches failing to fix the small stuff and you see them on the couch in the playoffs while the teams that do not accept missed assignments are still playing consistently over the years. I know which type of team I would like us to become, but it is a long way off at this point.

Are you telling me you leave the players out of the equation?
If so then you would have to think that the players executed thier job in every play that they are told to run without issues.

I'm sorry, I just don't buy into the fact that the players are perfect in everything they do and don't do bonehead things that the coaching staff has tried to iron out of them.

I for one think we have the right mix of talent (except in a couple of positions) and the right coaching staff to coach them, but at some point everyone has to accept the fact the one or both will fail in thier role and we will loos to an inferior team or one with the talent/experience level we have.

The whole "Experience Level" thing was a contributing factor this year to alot of issues, however, it is gonna be a non-factor for me next year as the front office told us, this was a developmental year.
Next year we shouldn't have to live through rookies and second year players out there competing against Vets.

Frostbite
01-07-2008, 12:51 AM
Well....
you guys have done an excellent point of debating this on both sides of the "Play Calling" and "Player Execution" issues. I will add that I believe it was a combination of both.

On the one hand you have some inexperience players making some bad decisions and also simple drops/fumbles at critical times etc. That all goes on the players in my humble opinion. I never really saw Bevel open up the play book enough... with anything to difficult for T.Jack and the other younger offensive players...that I would say was to hard for them to execute. Most of our sets and play calls were very straight forward. This leeds me to the second point.

We were way to predictable in when we were going to run AD and C.Tay....and the O-coordinator was not able to shift gears and adjust to the defense quick enough. That is all on the Coaches. Example/Case in Point was against the Redskins...We didn't shift into a different offensive scheem until already behind by 22 pts.
The time to shift gears was after the safety being (at that point) down by 9.

I want/expect to see more out of Bevel next season and out of the offensive players. Both areas will need some improvements if we plan on being a contender in 08.
How do you beat an 8 man stacked box on first and second down....without play action or deep pass routes?? More options/better use of AD as a short pass receiver could be one option? I never saw him lined up as a slot receiver either this season. I'd love to see this with C.Tay in the backfield as another threat to run or as a blocker in this situation for T.Jack. In any case....creativity will be a key to success against the stacked box. T.Jack will also HAVE to be able to make some plays (easy throws) for these types of plays to work.

Keeping defenses guessing....back on there heels....wondering what's coming next.
Can we see that in 08. ?

Cheers!

Cheers!