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vikingivan
12-19-2007, 12:34 PM
In 1987 the Vikings made it to the playoffs as the wildcard entry.
The Vikings went to New Orleans as huge underdogs and defeated the Saints 44-10.

The following week they were given virtually no chance to defeat the high powered San Francisco 49ers.
The Vikings went to Candlestick Park and were victorious, winning 36-24.

Then came the NFC Championship game at Washington.
The game was not decided until the final minute when Darrin Nelson dropped a pass at the goal line, and the Vikings lost 17-10.

Could this be the year when the Vikings upset teams in the playoffs and win the NFC Championship?
It sure would be great if we could make it that far in the playoffs this season.

Marrdro
12-19-2007, 12:43 PM
ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH.
The agony of rememberance.

If memory serves my friend a certain man by the name of Green had alot to do with that "Drop".


Minnesota then advanced to the Washington 6-yard line, but Wilson's fourth down pass, intened for running back Darrin Nelson in the end zone, was batted away from him by cornerback Darrell Green with 52 seconds remaining and the Redskins ran out the clock.[1]


Darrin is still, to this day, one of my favorite players regardless of that play.
;D

vikingivan
12-19-2007, 12:53 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH.
The agony of rememberance.

If memory serves my friend a certain man by the name of Green had alot to do with that "Drop".


Minnesota then advanced to the Washington 6-yard line, but Wilson's fourth down pass, intened for running back Darrin Nelson in the end zone, was batted away from him by cornerback Darrell Green with 52 seconds remaining and the Redskins ran out the clock.[1]


Darrin is still, to this day, one of my favorite players regardless of that play.
;D


It was a drop, plain and simple.
Yes, I am sure happy that we drafted Darrin Nelson.
We couldn't have gotten a better back when we drafted him.
Oh wait, there was a great back that was drafted after Nelson.
Do you remember him?
He won the the Heisman in 1981.
Coach John Robison said about him, "The greatest player I ever saw".
Marcus Allen would have looked great in purple.

COJOMAY
12-19-2007, 12:55 PM
I remember driving in the mountains of Utah listening to that game on the truck radio while I shot a few rabbits.
:D

vikingivan
12-19-2007, 12:58 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


I remember driving in the mountains of Utah listening to that game on the truck radio while I shot a few rabbits.
:D


What!
The Vikings were in the NFC Championship game and you were out shooting rabbits. ???

COJOMAY
12-19-2007, 01:07 PM
"vikingivan" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


I remember driving in the mountains of Utah listening to that game on the truck radio while I shot a few rabbits.
:D


What!
The Vikings were in the NFC Championship game and you were out shooting rabbits. ???


Can you imagine that? I must have been out of food!
:D

Frostbite
12-19-2007, 01:09 PM
As I recall Don Coryell had some great offensive game plans constructed for that post season too. I always thought he was under-rated during that season as our O-coordinator. I liked him a lot more than Jerry Burns...our H.C. that season.

Some similarities I suppose but we had more veteran players on that team than we have this year. We also had solid consistant QB play (Experienced) from Wade Wilson and a dynamite WR in Anthony Carter....so difference there too.

D.J. Dozier in the backfield....Cris Dolman on defensive line....Studwell at LB.....man....the list goes on and on...

We didn't get blown out by the Packers that season either...as I recall.
The Bears were the Division winners that year.

Cheers!

ejmat
12-19-2007, 01:42 PM
If I remember correctly wasn't that the year of the strike season?
I know we were underdogs those games but I always said things may have been different if it weren't for the strike.
The Vikes lost all 3 of the strike (replacement games).
The real team started the season 7-1 and they backed in the playoffs losing 3 of their last 4 games.
Washington went 11-4 and won all 3 of their replacement games.

I guess my point is if it weren't for the strike the Vikings wouldn't have been such underdogs.
If they really looked at it they were 8-4 just like the Redskins were that year.
San Fran won all of their replacement games so they were 10-2 and the Saints were 2-1 for their replacement games making them 10-2 as well.

Frostbite
12-19-2007, 01:48 PM
Yep...weeks 4-6 were played with replacement players that season. and the season was shortened to 15 games that year too.

Good Memory ejmat.


Cheers!

clark_griswold
12-19-2007, 02:19 PM
I remember that season vividly. Sure i was only 1 year old, but i was a die hard sports fanatic already.
;D

Let's just hope these guys keep rolling. I honestly think if we win these next 2 games though, we won't be looked at as underdogs.

ejmat
12-19-2007, 02:23 PM
"Frostbite" wrote:


Yep...weeks 4-6 were played with replacement players that season. and the season was shortened to 15 games that year too.

Good Memory ejmat.


Cheers!


was it 4-6 or 3-5?
For some reason I was thinking 3-5.
See, now you've forced me to research this.
Dammit!!!!!!
;D

Marrdro
12-19-2007, 02:25 PM
"clark_griswold" wrote:


I remember that season vividly. Sure i was only 1 year old, but i was a die hard sports fanatic already.
;D

Let's just hope these guys keep rolling. I honestly think if we win these next 2 games though, we won't be looked at as underdogs.

Damn.
I was in the Med on this thing.

USS Concord (AFS-5).

http://www.midwaysailor.com/ships/concord-001b.jpg

ejmat
12-19-2007, 02:25 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Frostbite" wrote:


Yep...weeks 4-6 were played with replacement players that season. and the season was shortened to 15 games that year too.

Good Memory ejmat.


Cheers!


was it 4-6 or 3-5?
For some reason I was thinking 3-5.
See, now you've forced me to research this.
Dammit!!!!!!
;D


Okay, I got it.
We were both right.
It was weeks 4-6 however week 3 was cancelled so it was actually games 3-5.

Frostbite
12-19-2007, 02:29 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"clark_griswold" wrote:


I remember that season vividly. Sure i was only 1 year old, but i was a die hard sports fanatic already.
;D

Let's just hope these guys keep rolling. I honestly think if we win these next 2 games though, we won't be looked at as underdogs.

gol 'darnit.
I was in the Med on this thing.

USS Concord (AFS-5).
http://www.midwaysailor.com/ships/concord-001b.jpg



Looks like a Navy Cargo Vessel Marrdro....Can't tell from the Pic?? Looks like they are about throw something over the side....Who did you piss off that day Marr??? LOL.......All kidding aside.

Thanks for your service!

Cheers!

BadlandsVikings
12-19-2007, 06:49 PM
"vikingivan" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


I remember driving in the mountains of Utah listening to that game on the truck radio while I shot a few rabbits.
:D


What!
The Vikings were in the NFC Championship game and you were out shooting rabbits. ???


I'm going to start calling you Elmer Fudd
:D

PAsaintsfan23
12-19-2007, 07:00 PM
I remember the 87 vikes. You guys destroyed us in the playoffs.

I hope we meet again this year. (Would have to be the NFC Championship game)

Purple Floyd
12-19-2007, 08:37 PM
"vikingivan" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH.
The agony of rememberance.

If memory serves my friend a certain man by the name of Green had alot to do with that "Drop".


Minnesota then advanced to the Washington 6-yard line, but Wilson's fourth down pass, intened for running back Darrin Nelson in the end zone, was batted away from him by cornerback Darrell Green with 52 seconds remaining and the Redskins ran out the clock.[1]


Darrin is still, to this day, one of my favorite players regardless of that play.
;D


It was a drop, plain and simple.
Yes, I am sure happy that we drafted Darrin Nelson.
We couldn't have gotten a better back when we drafted him.
Oh wait, there was a great back that was drafted after Nelson.
Do you remember him?
He won the the Heisman in 1981.
Coach John Robison said about him, "The greatest player I ever saw".
Marcus Allen would have looked great in purple.


I agree on both counts. Nelso flat out dropped that pass that could have brought us our first SB victory and the fact that we drafted Nelson over Marcus Allen has pissed me off for decades. I finally let it go this year when we ended up with AP. He is going to heal many of the ills that have befallen this team if we can keep him healthy and remember even he needs a blocker once in a while

Schutz
12-19-2007, 08:39 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"clark_griswold" wrote:


I remember that season vividly. Sure i was only 1 year old, but i was a die hard sports fanatic already.
;D

Let's just hope these guys keep rolling. I honestly think if we win these next 2 games though, we won't be looked at as underdogs.

gol 'darnit.
I was in the Med on this thing.

USS Concord (AFS-5).

http://www.midwaysailor.com/ships/concord-001b.jpg




Did not know that, I always have to thank servicemen, my dad has been in the AF for 29 years active duty and reserves.

Marrdro
12-19-2007, 08:42 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"clark_griswold" wrote:


I remember that season vividly. Sure i was only 1 year old, but i was a die hard sports fanatic already.
;D

Let's just hope these guys keep rolling. I honestly think if we win these next 2 games though, we won't be looked at as underdogs.

gol 'darnit.
I was in the Med on this thing.

USS Concord (AFS-5).

http://www.midwaysailor.com/ships/concord-001b.jpg




Did not know that, I always have to thank servicemen, my dad has been in the AF for 29 years active duty and reserves.

Thanks and pass the same to him.
Actually I was suprised on how many on here who have proudly served my friend.
Quiet a few.

V-Unit
12-19-2007, 08:54 PM
I was 3 years old. I don't remember shit about that year. Who were our best players?

singersp
12-19-2007, 09:09 PM
"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember shit about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman

Mikecarter81
12-19-2007, 09:29 PM
This team was much different from that team.
This team is better.
This team is better at running the ball and stopping the run.

People talk about us losing to Washington like it was ashocking thing.
Nope, go look up the vikings records against Washington in the 80's.
They beat us pretty soundly for every game of that decade.

The reason was a flaw in our scheme.
We were finesse team.
We chose to use quick backs like DJ Dozier and Darren Nelson to run traps and misdirections stuff.
We also had a powerful air attack.

Yet Defensively as much as I love Keith Millard,
Hardware Hank and the Doug Martin, they got run over by the power teams like Washington.
They would just wear em down.
Little runs in 1st and second quarter would be big ones by the fourth.
It was sick to watch

This years Vikings team is not a finesse team, which I'm ecstatic about because for once we get to dictate the game.


The Vikings of the late 80's and early 90's never could do that.

Mike

.

buliwyf
12-19-2007, 11:00 PM
Who Dat Gonna beat them Saints? Well, we answered that question, didn't we? I'll say this team's better when they reach the NFC championship and win.

vikingivan
12-20-2007, 12:03 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"vikingivan" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH.
The agony of rememberance.

If memory serves my friend a certain man by the name of Green had alot to do with that "Drop".


Minnesota then advanced to the Washington 6-yard line, but Wilson's fourth down pass, intened for running back Darrin Nelson in the end zone, was batted away from him by cornerback Darrell Green with 52 seconds remaining and the Redskins ran out the clock.[1]


Darrin is still, to this day, one of my favorite players regardless of that play.
;D


It was a drop, plain and simple.
Yes, I am sure happy that we drafted Darrin Nelson.
We couldn't have gotten a better back when we drafted him.
Oh wait, there was a great back that was drafted after Nelson.
Do you remember him?
He won the the Heisman in 1981.
Coach John Robison said about him, "The greatest player I ever saw".
Marcus Allen would have looked great in purple.


I agree on both counts. Nelso flat out dropped that pass that could have brought us our first SB victory and the fact that we drafted Nelson over Marcus Allen has pissed me off for decades. I finally let it go this year when we ended up with AP. He is going to heal many of the ills that have befallen this team if we can keep him healthy and remember even he needs a blocker once in a while


Good point!
AD is going to make us forget about all of the bad fortune we have suffered.

V-Unit
12-20-2007, 09:17 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember shit about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Not good enough Singer. I requested a list of the best players on the team. You gave me a list of almost every starter...36 players! Please cut down your list to the top ten players and re-submit. Thank You.

Example:
2007 Vikings Best Players
RB Adrian Peterson
FB Tony Richardson
C Matt Birk
G Steve Hutchinson
DT Pat Williams
DT Kevin Williams
LB EJ Henderson
DB Antoine Winfield
RB Chester Taylor
DB Darren Sharper

You've got some work to do.

Marrdro
12-20-2007, 09:27 AM
"V" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember pooh about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Not good enough Singer. I requested a list of the best players on the team. You gave me a list of almost every starter...36 players! Please cut down your list to the top ten players and re-submit. Thank You.

Example:
2007 Vikings Best Players
RB Adrian Peterson
FB Tony Richardson
C Matt Birk
G Steve Hutchinson
DT Pat Williams
DT Kevin Williams
LB EJ Henderson
DB Antoine Winfield
RB Chester Taylor
DB Darren Sharper

You've got some work to do.

V, always giving marching orders........ ::)

Hard to quantify great.
Of this team the following were great IMHO

S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
DE Chris Doleman
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DT Keith Millard
LB Scott Studwell
DT Henry Thomas
T Gary Zimmerman

With honorable mentions to........

LB Jesse Solomon
TE Steve Jordan
CB Carl Lee
TE/HC Mike Mularkey

singersp
12-20-2007, 09:36 AM
"V" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember shit about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Not good enough Singer. I requested a list of the best players on the team. You gave me a list of almost every starter...36 players! Please cut down your list to the top ten players and re-submit. Thank You.

Example:
2007 Vikings Best Players
RB Adrian Peterson
FB Tony Richardson
C Matt Birk
G Steve Hutchinson
DT Pat Williams
DT Kevin Williams
LB EJ Henderson
DB Antoine Winfield
RB Chester Taylor
DB Darren Sharper

You've got some work to do.


Depending how you look at performance, the top 10 could vary, but IMO based on my recollection;


S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
DE Chris Doleman
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
RB Darrin Nelson
LB Scott Studwell
DT Henry Thomas
T Gary Zimmerman

Damn! I can only cut it down to about 14.

Marrdro
12-20-2007, 09:38 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember pooh about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Not good enough Singer. I requested a list of the best players on the team. You gave me a list of almost every starter...36 players! Please cut down your list to the top ten players and re-submit. Thank You.

Example:
2007 Vikings Best Players
RB Adrian Peterson
FB Tony Richardson
C Matt Birk
G Steve Hutchinson
DT Pat Williams
DT Kevin Williams
LB EJ Henderson
DB Antoine Winfield
RB Chester Taylor
DB Darren Sharper

You've got some work to do.


Depending how you look at performance, the top 10 could vary, but IMO based on my recollection;


S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
DE Chris Doleman
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
RB Darrin Nelson
LB Scott Studwell
DT Henry Thomas
T Gary Zimmerman

gol 'darnit! I can only cut it down to about 14.


You are pretty damn close to being correct.
Of course Joey is tops right.......;D

ejmat
12-20-2007, 09:39 AM
"V" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember shit about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Not good enough Singer. I requested a list of the best players on the team. You gave me a list of almost every starter...36 players! Please cut down your list to the top ten players and re-submit. Thank You.

Example:
2007 Vikings Best Players
RB Adrian Peterson
FB Tony Richardson
C Matt Birk
G Steve Hutchinson
DT Pat Williams
DT Kevin Williams
LB EJ Henderson
DB Antoine Winfield
RB Chester Taylor
DB Darren Sharper

You've got some work to do.


Let's see if I can help out

QB -
Wade Wilson
RB - Darin Nelson
WR - Anthony Carter
WR - Hassan Jones
WR - Leo Lewis
TE - Steve Jordan
OL - Tim Irwin, Kirk Lowdermilk, Gary Zimmerman, Terry Tausch

Defense

DL - Doug Martin, Keith Millard, Henry Thomas, Chris Doleman
LB - Jesse Solomon, Scott Studwell Walker Lee Ashley (I think)
DB - Isaac Holt, Carl Lee
S - Joey Browner

Some people I just don't remember and I could be wrong about starters here and there.
For the most part they are correct.
One quick note, I think Rufus Bess was only on the replacement team.
He was one of the worst DBs that I've ever seen play.

vikingivan
12-20-2007, 09:48 AM
"Mikecarter81" wrote:


This team was much different from that team.
This team is better.
This team is better at running the ball and stopping the run.

People talk about us losing to Washington like it was ashocking thing.
Nope, go look up the vikings records against Washington in the 80's.
They beat us pretty soundly for every game of that decade.

The reason was a flaw in our scheme.
We were finesse team.
We chose to use quick backs like DJ Dozier and Darren Nelson to run traps and misdirections stuff.
We also had a powerful air attack.

Yet Defensively as much as I love Keith Millard,
Hardware Hank and the Doug Martin, they got run over by the power teams like Washington.
They would just wear em down.
Little runs in 1st and second quarter would be big ones by the fourth.
It was sick to watch

This years Vikings team is not a finesse team, which I'm ecstatic about because for once we get to dictate the game.


The Vikings of the late 80's and early 90's never could do that.

Mike

.





This team is good, but I don't know if they are better.
Anthony Carter was awesome.
He set an NFL record at the time with 227 yards receiving in the 49ers game.
I remember Burnsie having him return punts in the playoffs also.
I do believe he took one to the house against the Saints.
I wonder if Sidney Rice can be the next AC.

Purple Floyd
12-20-2007, 10:35 AM
That defense was better than what we have now in many ways. Only against the run would I rank the current defense as superior to that one. We were one year removed from setting the single season sack record and Teerlink as the DLC and Peters as the DC made a good combination. Our front 4 was awesome and then throw in Studwell, Browner and co. They were stacked.

The offense was very similar to what we are trying to do but less talented at RB,more talented at TE and WR and more experienced at QB. The lines were similar but they were better on the right side.

singersp
12-20-2007, 06:47 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember pooh about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Not good enough Singer. I requested a list of the best players on the team. You gave me a list of almost every starter...36 players! Please cut down your list to the top ten players and re-submit. Thank You.

Example:
2007 Vikings Best Players
RB Adrian Peterson
FB Tony Richardson
C Matt Birk
G Steve Hutchinson
DT Pat Williams
DT Kevin Williams
LB EJ Henderson
DB Antoine Winfield
RB Chester Taylor
DB Darren Sharper

You've got some work to do.


Depending how you look at performance, the top 10 could vary, but IMO based on my recollection;


S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
DE Chris Doleman
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
RB Darrin Nelson
LB Scott Studwell
DT Henry Thomas
T Gary Zimmerman

gol 'darnit! I can only cut it down to about 14.


You are pretty damn close to being correct.

Of course Joey is tops right.......;D


There were several good guys on defense. Joey was definitely at the top 3 of the list. He could hit, he could tackle & he was just damn fun to watch when he was in his prime.

Not a lot of glory for his position, but Lowdermilk has to be on that list. He was a damn good center. The Vikings have always been fortunate at that position. As far back as I can remember (Tingelhoff) the Vikings have always been blessed with damn good starting centers.

V-Unit
12-20-2007, 06:53 PM
Much better.

I hope you guys enjoyed to opportunity to reminisce.

jkjuggalo
12-20-2007, 07:22 PM
"vikingivan" wrote:


"Mikecarter81" wrote:


This team was much different from that team.
This team is better.
This team is better at running the ball and stopping the run.

People talk about us losing to Washington like it was ashocking thing.
Nope, go look up the vikings records against Washington in the 80's.
They beat us pretty soundly for every game of that decade.

The reason was a flaw in our scheme.
We were finesse team.
We chose to use quick backs like DJ Dozier and Darren Nelson to run traps and misdirections stuff.
We also had a powerful air attack.

Yet Defensively as much as I love Keith Millard,
Hardware Hank and the Doug Martin, they got run over by the power teams like Washington.
They would just wear em down.
Little runs in 1st and second quarter would be big ones by the fourth.
It was sick to watch

This years Vikings team is not a finesse team, which I'm ecstatic about because for once we get to dictate the game.


The Vikings of the late 80's and early 90's never could do that.

Mike

.





This team is good, but I don't know if they are better.
Anthony Carter was awesome.
He set an NFL record at the time with 227 yards receiving in the 49ers game.
I remember Burnsie having him return punts in the playoffs also.
I do believe he took one to the house against the Saints.
I wonder if Sidney Rice can be the next AC.


Nobody on this team will be the next AC.
Carter is the reason I became a Vikings fan and IMO we have not had a more complete WR since he left.
We still had great WR's with CC and Moss, but AC was able to do it all, on and off the field.
I'd be happy if Sidney became the next CC or Moss, but he and AC are completely different receivers.

Purple Floyd
12-20-2007, 09:26 PM
"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"vikingivan" wrote:


"Mikecarter81" wrote:


This team was much different from that team.
This team is better.
This team is better at running the ball and stopping the run.

People talk about us losing to Washington like it was ashocking thing.
Nope, go look up the vikings records against Washington in the 80's.
They beat us pretty soundly for every game of that decade.

The reason was a flaw in our scheme.
We were finesse team.
We chose to use quick backs like DJ Dozier and Darren Nelson to run traps and misdirections stuff.
We also had a powerful air attack.

Yet Defensively as much as I love Keith Millard,
Hardware Hank and the Doug Martin, they got run over by the power teams like Washington.
They would just wear em down.
Little runs in 1st and second quarter would be big ones by the fourth.
It was sick to watch

This years Vikings team is not a finesse team, which I'm ecstatic about because for once we get to dictate the game.


The Vikings of the late 80's and early 90's never could do that.

Mike

.





This team is good, but I don't know if they are better.
Anthony Carter was awesome.
He set an NFL record at the time with 227 yards receiving in the 49ers game.
I remember Burnsie having him return punts in the playoffs also.
I do believe he took one to the house against the Saints. I wonder if Sidney Rice can be the next AC.


Nobody on this team will be the next AC.
Carter is the reason I became a Vikings fan and IMO we have not had a more complete WR since he left.
We still had great WR's with CC and Moss, but AC was able to do it all, on and off the field.
I'd be happy if Sidney became the next CC or Moss, but he and AC are completely different receivers.


Then that must mean you missed out on Ahmad Rashad and Sammy White.

Schutz
12-20-2007, 09:49 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"vikingivan" wrote:


"Mikecarter81" wrote:


This team was much different from that team.
This team is better.
This team is better at running the ball and stopping the run.

People talk about us losing to Washington like it was ashocking thing.
Nope, go look up the vikings records against Washington in the 80's.
They beat us pretty soundly for every game of that decade.

The reason was a flaw in our scheme.
We were finesse team.
We chose to use quick backs like DJ Dozier and Darren Nelson to run traps and misdirections stuff.
We also had a powerful air attack.

Yet Defensively as much as I love Keith Millard,
Hardware Hank and the Doug Martin, they got run over by the power teams like Washington.
They would just wear em down.
Little runs in 1st and second quarter would be big ones by the fourth.
It was sick to watch

This years Vikings team is not a finesse team, which I'm ecstatic about because for once we get to dictate the game.


The Vikings of the late 80's and early 90's never could do that.

Mike

.





This team is good, but I don't know if they are better.
Anthony Carter was awesome.
He set an NFL record at the time with 227 yards receiving in the 49ers game.
I remember Burnsie having him return punts in the playoffs also.
I do believe he took one to the house against the Saints. I wonder if Sidney Rice can be the next AC.


Nobody on this team will be the next AC.
Carter is the reason I became a Vikings fan and IMO we have not had a more complete WR since he left.
We still had great WR's with CC and Moss, but AC was able to do it all, on and off the field.
I'd be happy if Sidney became the next CC or Moss, but he and AC are completely different receivers.


Then that must mean you missed out on Ahmad Rashad and Sammy White.


IMHO I believe Chris Carter was possibly the second or third best receiver in NFL history.
He didn't quite have that quickness like Rice did which knocks him down a notch, but he had hands like super glue.
One of the biggest team players the Vikings have had and he is the reason Moss was superman in those earlier years.
And as far as possession receivers, if I needed one guy to get me 10 yards for a first down there isn't one person I'd rather have on that field than Chris Carter, just imagine if instead of Moss being complimented with Wes Welker for Tom Brady it was Carter in his prime?
Now that would be sick.

jkjuggalo
12-20-2007, 09:55 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"jkjuggalo" wrote:


"vikingivan" wrote:


"Mikecarter81" wrote:


This team was much different from that team.
This team is better.
This team is better at running the ball and stopping the run.

People talk about us losing to Washington like it was ashocking thing.
Nope, go look up the vikings records against Washington in the 80's.
They beat us pretty soundly for every game of that decade.

The reason was a flaw in our scheme.
We were finesse team.
We chose to use quick backs like DJ Dozier and Darren Nelson to run traps and misdirections stuff.
We also had a powerful air attack.

Yet Defensively as much as I love Keith Millard,
Hardware Hank and the Doug Martin, they got run over by the power teams like Washington.
They would just wear em down.
Little runs in 1st and second quarter would be big ones by the fourth.
It was sick to watch

This years Vikings team is not a finesse team, which I'm ecstatic about because for once we get to dictate the game.


The Vikings of the late 80's and early 90's never could do that.

Mike

.





This team is good, but I don't know if they are better.
Anthony Carter was awesome.
He set an NFL record at the time with 227 yards receiving in the 49ers game.
I remember Burnsie having him return punts in the playoffs also.
I do believe he took one to the house against the Saints. I wonder if Sidney Rice can be the next AC.


Nobody on this team will be the next AC.
Carter is the reason I became a Vikings fan and IMO we have not had a more complete WR since he left.
We still had great WR's with CC and Moss, but AC was able to do it all, on and off the field.
I'd be happy if Sidney became the next CC or Moss, but he and AC are completely different receivers.


Then that must mean you missed out on Ahmad Rashad and Sammy White.

Correct.
I was not born yet.
I've seen the old highlights, but AC will always be near and dear to my heart.
I always tried to emulate him when I played football.

Turboe
12-20-2007, 10:25 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember pooh about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Ahh yes, I remember this team.
But can anyone help me out, and remind me why we had two punters?

singersp
12-20-2007, 11:10 PM
"Turboe" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember pooh about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Ahh yes, I remember this team.
But can anyone help me out, and remind me why we had two punters?



We didn't. Actually we had 3. We also had Dave Bruno.

Scribner was a Packer castaway who was here & played in 4 games.

Coleman war our regular punter. I'm guessing, based on the stats, he was either injured or on the down side of his career & they brought in Scribner or Bruno first to look for a replacement or improvement & then brought in the other when the other one didn't work out.

What's strange is we went to the Championship that year, 19 games total, yet if you add up the total games we had punter playing in, it only adds up to 15.
:-\

PUNTING

Name GP PT YDS LNG BLK TB I20 NET AVG

Greg Coleman 9 45 1786 54 1 3 5 30.5 39.7

Bucky Scribner 4 20 827 54 0 1 4 36.4 41.4


Dave Bruno 2 13 464 53 0 1 2 32.5 35.7

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=MIN&lg=nfl&yr=1987

ejmat
12-21-2007, 07:51 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Turboe" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I was 3 years old. I don't remember pooh about that year. Who were our best players?


Not necessarily all best plays, but most you may recognize;

RB Alfred Anderson
LB Walker Lee Ashley
LB Ray Berry
DB Rufus Bess
S Joey Browner
WR Anthony Carter
P Greg Coleman
DE Chris Doleman
RB D. J. Dozier
RB Rick Fenney
QB Rich Gannon
CB Issiac Holt
T Tim Irwin
WR Hassan Jones
TE Steve Jordan
QB Tommy Kramer
WR Terry LeCount
CB Carl Lee
WR Leo Lewis
C Kirk Lowdermilk
DE/NT Doug Martin
DT Keith Millard
TE/HC Mike Mularkey
K Chuck Nelson
RB Darrin Nelson
DT Tim Newton
RB Allen Rice
LB Randy Scott
P Bucky Scribner
LB Jesse Solomon
LB Scott Studwell
C/G/T Dennis Swilley
T/G Terry Tausch
DT Henry Thomas
QB Wade Wilson
T Gary Zimmerman



Ahh yes, I remember this team.
But can anyone help me out, and remind me why we had two punters?



We didn't. Actually we had 3. We also had Dave Bruno.

Scribner was a Packer castaway who was here & played in 4 games.

Coleman war our regular punter. I'm guessing, based on the stats, he was either injured or on the down side of his career & they brought in Scribner or Bruno first to look for a replacement or improvement & then brought in the other when the other one didn't work out.

What's strange is we went to the Championship that year, 19 games total, yet if you add up the total games we had punter playing in, it only adds up to 15.
:-\

PUNTING

Name GP PT YDS LNG BLK TB I20 NET AVG

Greg Coleman 9 45 1786 54 1 3 5 30.5 39.7

Bucky Scribner 4 20 827 54 0 1 4 36.4 41.4


Dave Bruno 2 13 464 53 0 1 2 32.5 35.7

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=MIN&lg=nfl&yr=1987





I think that may only be the regular season stats.
That's the only thing that would make sense to me.