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singersp
12-15-2007, 12:18 PM
Patrick Reusse: Fans shouldn't go overboard on Jackson yet (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/12522941.html)

Before we call the quarterback a franchise savior, he needs to show us completions under more difficult circumstances.

By Patrick Reusse, Star Tribune

Last update: December 14, 2007 - 8:33 PM


The Vikings cruised to a 27-7 victory over San Francisco last Sunday, and the quarterback rating (95.9) made it look as though they received another effective performance from young Tarvaris Jackson............

jessejames09
12-15-2007, 12:33 PM
*jumps off bandwagon*


.....Chillies an idiot and should have gotten garcia! Ooohhhh doom and gloom and woe is me.

PurpleTide
12-15-2007, 12:51 PM
Patrick Reusse sucks dog P.meow... Tarvaris and the Vikings played smart NFL football the second half of that 9er game. With a 27 point lead they played safe percentage football. They didn't force anything that wasn't there, and T-Jack checked down to shorter routes. It is NOT a crime to punt, and try to play field position. We are a rush first team, and Tarvaris is coming along nicely. Those who expect to see Brady or a Manning type QB play, simply don't watch Viking football, or understand our style.

DiehardVikesFan
12-15-2007, 12:53 PM
as a fan it is my job to go overboard and i will fulfill my duty

Vikes_King
12-15-2007, 07:37 PM
Still, it was an unimpressive second half. Jackson was 6-for-9 for 48 yards. He threw for two first downs. Three other times, he threw well short of the first-down marker on third down -- the same approach that drove Purple followers nuts during the first 25 games (9-16) of the Childress tenure.

I think the 2nd half was excuted well.
Jackson did not throw any passes that were stupid, yes, they were short of the markers 4 of the 6 completions, and the 3-and-outs were slightly mind numbing... but thats not what matters.
He was taking what the defense gave him and dumped it off short to at least pick up a couple yards, rather than tossing it down field in a tight spot where we could have risked a turn over.

If we weren't up by 20 points and felt like we needed to seal the game, there would have been longer passes, more aggressive play calling, etc.
But it simply wasn't needed The game was over in the 1st quarter.

purplepowered
12-15-2007, 08:08 PM
Pat Ruese is a carp head. he s just another reporter steaming at the head to say hey I cant dig up anything more on this kid what can i say now! F#CK HIM! He can below me TJack and Chilly , and especially Tjack gets my credit. He is doing a great job executing the offense well, no to's the whole group working together without the pleyers getting hungup on themselves taking the time they need to jell is al it takes and it s working. I am doing my duty GO TJACK YOU ARE MY MAN GARCIA DUCKS WAD that is y he isnt signed to a long term contract huh! Go elsewhere Patrick Ruses you dont deserve to live in Minnesota you I swear hate min teams go follow the next SB champs, MLB champs, etc YOU, My MAN SUCK!

Purple Floyd
12-15-2007, 08:35 PM
He has had a few good games and will probably have some real bad ones as coodinators get more film on him and start to exploit his tendencies. The real test will be whether he can overcome that stage of his progression and continue to improve.

davike
12-15-2007, 08:53 PM
This guy is an idiot. Who is going "overboard" on Jackson? No one is saying he is the next Manning or Brady yet. All the Vikings fans that I know are simply happy that he is showing improvement and isn't turning the ball over. They are happy that he is showing he just mightg be our QB of the future.

I am not going overboard on him, I think he has taken a big step in his development this season, and I think he is doing a good job right now. He isn't turning the ball over and he is getting some first downs with his arm and legs. He isn't putting up big numbers but he is completing passes and the others seem to be more confident with him back there taking snaps than any other QB we have which is important. He is doing a good job managing games and not making mistakes until he reaches the point where he can take this team on his shoulders and make big plays himself. If he continues to simply do what he has been doing it will be much easier to watch the Vikes play while he is developing.


At this point its just exciting to see some really good improvement in him and I think we have a right to be a bit "giddy"

Big C
12-15-2007, 09:22 PM
This guys a moron. TJ is playing well and within the game plan. There was no need to score more points in the second half because our defense was over whelming their offense. It was a great game plan. The lions on the other hand are a high powere offense so we needed to gameplan to score as much as possible to give our defense some breathing room. Plain and simple. TJ is no manning or barady but he is a hell of a lot better (since the Packer game) than Bollinger, Holcomb, and Johnson.

hx38596
12-15-2007, 09:25 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He has had a few good games and will probably have some real bad ones as coodinators get more film on him and start to exploit his tendencies. The real test will be whether he can overcome that stage of his progression and continue to improve.


I don't know about that.
It's not a real complicated system going on.
He excels when their D is trying to stop the run.
Slants, (on safety creeps ups and cb blitzes) and curls/crossing routes (on LB run blitzs), are open against a team defending against the run.
The way to defend against Tjack's 'tendencies' is to defend basic pass routes and hope your front 4 and LB's can handle AD and company.
We are in very good shape b/c Tjack is completing the most basic of schemes which is all he needs to do for the Vikes to be competitive.


The first half of the season would've gone way different if Tjack was playing similarly to now...
Nothing real fancy or Romo/Favre-like, just no pics and complete a pass to an open receiver b/c they are stacked against the run.

Caine
12-15-2007, 09:38 PM
"davike" wrote:


This guy is an idiot. Who is going "overboard" on Jackson? No one is saying he is the next Manning or Brady yet. All the Vikings fans that I know are simply happy that he is showing improvement and isn't turning the ball over. They are happy that he is showing he just mightg be our QB of the future.

I am not going overboard on him, I think he has taken a big step in his development this season, and I think he is doing a good job right now. He isn't turning the ball over and he is getting some first downs with his arm and legs. He isn't putting up big numbers but he is completing passes and the others seem to be more confident with him back there taking snaps than any other QB we have which is important. He is doing a good job managing games and not making mistakes until he reaches the point where he can take this team on his shoulders and make big plays himself. If he continues to simply do what he has been doing it will be much easier to watch the Vikes play while he is developing.


At this point its just exciting to see some really good improvement in him and I think we have a right to be a bit "giddy"


Saved me a bit of typing.
About sums up my feelings on this.

The only thing I'll add is that as long as the 2-headed monster (Peterson and Taylor) continue to confound Defenses, Jackson doesn't NEED to take the team on his shoulders and win it by himself.
The running game will force defenses to try and stop it, and the throwing game will open up as a result.


Maybe once those receivers of ours develop a bit more - and we add a souple more solid ones to the mix - we can look for more passing production from Jackson.
But, until then, he should continue to grow within the framework of what we DO have.


Caine

ballhog27
12-15-2007, 09:46 PM
I stated this in another rant but I don't believe we can clearly say a QB on the Vikings is good or bad. We have no Wide receivers and the ones we do have are young or third options. If we had a veteran reciever like a Cris Carter or Keyshawn Johnson we could actually decide if we have a decent QB. Until then, we may never know exactly how good Jackson is at the spot.

singersp
12-15-2007, 09:47 PM
"davike" wrote:



This guy is an idiot. Who is going "overboard" on Jackson? No one is saying he is the next Manning or Brady yet.



I swear someone refered to him as "Purple Moses" this year.
:P

Last year some were calling him "The Messiah"

BadlandsVikings
12-15-2007, 09:49 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"davike" wrote:



This guy is an idiot. Who is going "overboard" on Jackson? No one is saying he is the next Manning or Brady yet.



I swear someone refered to him as "Purple Moses" this year.
:P

Last year some were calling him "The Messiah"


I thought that was Chester Taylor

singersp
12-15-2007, 09:54 PM
"BadlandsViking" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"davike" wrote:



This guy is an idiot. Who is going "overboard" on Jackson? No one is saying he is the next Manning or Brady yet.



I swear someone refered to him as "Purple Moses" this year.
:P

Last year some were calling him "The Messiah"


I thought that was Chester Taylor


LOL! You mean someone actually used the term? I was just making a funny. (Note the
:P)

The 2nd part of my post is a true statement though. I can't find that picture they posted though. I think it had T-Jack, Jesus & Moss in it.

BadlandsVikings
12-15-2007, 09:55 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"BadlandsViking" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"davike" wrote:



This guy is an idiot. Who is going "overboard" on Jackson? No one is saying he is the next Manning or Brady yet.



I swear someone refered to him as "Purple Moses" this year.
:P

Last year some were calling him "The Messiah"


I thought that was Chester Taylor


LOL! You mean someone actually used the term? I was just making a funny. (Note the
:P)

The 2nd part of my post is a true statement though. I can't find that picture they posted though. I think it had T-Jack, Jesus & Moss in it.


I think that's what Zeus calls him

vikesfargo
12-15-2007, 10:06 PM
Future column by Reusse:

OK, Now It's Time to Go Overboard on Jackon!

by Patrick Reusse, Star Tribune Sports Stud

Clear the decks! Everybody abandon ship! Tarvaris Jackson has a 149.4 quarterback rating, twenty touchdown passes, and five rushing touchdowns in the last three games. It is now time to go overboard on my man from Alabama State........

/satire

Seriously, TJack has the potential to become another Steve Young, except with fewer rough years as Young had in Tampa. TJack has a good distance to go before he reaches the level of Steve Young, but he is on that road. We'll be cheering for TJack.

purplepowered
12-15-2007, 10:12 PM
Caine and Ballhog hit right where I feel he is right where he should be developing on schedule and with the 2 headed montor and not having a hot reicever we are using as a go to reicever like moss or carter like , even tho rice is coming along, He i think will be a good QB in the league. Give him time because I know we will be chearing loud MNF!

Purple Floyd
12-15-2007, 10:44 PM
"hx38596" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


He has had a few good games and will probably have some real bad ones as coodinators get more film on him and start to exploit his tendencies. The real test will be whether he can overcome that stage of his progression and continue to improve.


I don't know about that.
It's not a real complicated system going on.
He excels when their D is trying to stop the run.
Slants, (on safety creeps ups and cb blitzes) and curls/crossing routes (on LB run blitzs), are open against a team defending against the run.
The way to defend against Tjack's 'tendencies' is to defend basic pass routes and hope your front 4 and LB's can handle AD and company.
We are in very good shape b/c Tjack is completing the most basic of schemes which is all he needs to do for the Vikes to be competitive.


The first half of the season would've gone way different if Tjack was playing similarly to now...
Nothing real fancy or Romo/Favre-like, just no pics and complete a pass to an open receiver b/c they are stacked against the run.


We have also had the luxury of playing ahead for most of that time and so we have not had to rely on TJ throwing because the defense has been scoring and giving us good field position. We now have taken a hit at a few positions on Defense that has hurt our depth and that is something that has the potential to put us in a position where we NEED to pass to win and that is not something that TJ has run into yet and also something that he has yet to prove he can do. Now I am not saying that he won't be able to, but I am saying that it would be perfectly normal for him to struggle in that type of situation and that is when his tendencies will be more vulnerable.

If we play with the lead all the way through the super bowl you might be absolutely right.

PurpleGator
12-15-2007, 10:46 PM
"DiehardVikesFan" wrote:


as a fan it is my job to go overboard and i will fulfill my duty


Stallone agrees.

Schutz
12-16-2007, 06:22 AM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


Future column by Reusse:

OK, Now It's Time to Go Overboard on Jackon!

by Patrick Reusse, Star Tribune Sports Stud

Clear the decks! Everybody abandon ship! Tarvaris Jackson has a 149.4 quarterback rating, twenty touchdown passes, and five rushing touchdowns in the last three games. It is now time to go overboard on my man from Alabama State........

/satire

Seriously, TJack has the potential to become another Steve Young, except with fewer rough years as Young had in Tampa. TJack has a good distance to go before he reaches the level of Steve Young, but he is on that road. We'll be cheering for TJack.



I'm still going to insult Reusse a bit but I think comparing T-Jack to Steve Young kind of makes Reusse's position a littler better.


Reusse always has been and always will be a waste of ink.
He just loves writing up stories about team problems or downtrodding on players, usually for the look at me effect so people read his crap.
He'd even turn on AP if he thought it would make a couple more people start reading his articles.
Him and Sid should both be given the boot even though I know they won't.

PurpleGator
12-16-2007, 08:47 AM
"Schutz" wrote:


"vikesfargo" wrote:


Future column by Reusse:

OK, Now It's Time to Go Overboard on Jackon!

by Patrick Reusse, Star Tribune Sports Stud

Clear the decks! Everybody abandon ship! Tarvaris Jackson has a 149.4 quarterback rating, twenty touchdown passes, and five rushing touchdowns in the last three games. It is now time to go overboard on my man from Alabama State........

/satire

Seriously, TJack has the potential to become another Steve Young, except with fewer rough years as Young had in Tampa. TJack has a good distance to go before he reaches the level of Steve Young, but he is on that road. We'll be cheering for TJack.



I'm still going to insult Reusse a bit but I think comparing T-Jack to Steve Young kind of makes Reusse's position a littler better.


Reusse always has been and always will be a waste of ink.
He just loves writing up stories about team problems or downtrodding on players, usually for the look at me effect so people read his crap.
He'd even turn on AP if he thought it would make a couple more people start reading his articles.
Him and Sid should both be given the boot even though I know they won't.


I think most minnesota sport writers are all smoking weed.
Sid carries everybodys water and Reusse writes something and changes his mind 2 weeks later.

Marrdro
12-16-2007, 12:13 PM
I haven't seen any reporting out of a MN paper in years.
They continually regurge national media drivel when they should be the ones crafting the national media reports.

They are all hacks.
If you don't believe me just ask Z.
;D

vikesfargo
12-16-2007, 12:24 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"vikesfargo" wrote:


Future column by Reusse:

OK, Now It's Time to Go Overboard on Jackon!

by Patrick Reusse, Star Tribune Sports Stud

Clear the decks! Everybody abandon ship! Tarvaris Jackson has a 149.4 quarterback rating, twenty touchdown passes, and five rushing touchdowns in the last three games. It is now time to go overboard on my man from Alabama State........

/satire

Seriously, TJack has the potential to become another Steve Young, except with fewer rough years as Young had in Tampa. TJack has a good distance to go before he reaches the level of Steve Young, but he is on that road. We'll be cheering for TJack.



I'm still going to insult Reusse a bit but I think comparing T-Jack to Steve Young kind of makes Reusse's position a littler better.


Reusse always has been and always will be a waste of ink.
He just loves writing up stories about team problems or downtrodding on players, usually for the look at me effect so people read his crap.
He'd even turn on AP if he thought it would make a couple more people start reading his articles.
Him and Sid should both be given the boot even though I know they won't.


Believing in TJack's potential is not going overboard. Lots of people don't live up to their potential. So far, TJack is making slow progress, and that means he's on the right path. It's a long way before I go overboard for saying that TJack has high potential.

singersp
12-16-2007, 12:26 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


I haven't seen any reporting out of a MN paper in years.
They continually regurge national media drivel when they should be the ones crafting the national media reports.

They are all hacks.
If you don't believe me just ask Z.

;D



Typically, they take something the Associated Press puts out on the wire & run with it or twist it.

For just about every article I post from one paper, such as the Star Tribune there will be another article on the same subject from the Pioneer Press with there little spin on it.

VikingMike
12-16-2007, 12:35 PM
I'm just glad that TJack doesn't need to rely on Patrick Reusse for emotional support.
;D

nephilimstorm
12-16-2007, 12:36 PM
I am just glad TJack is improving game and game out. I really don't want to use a number 1 on a QB in the draft.

davike
12-16-2007, 02:28 PM
"Caine" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


This guy is an idiot. Who is going "overboard" on Jackson? No one is saying he is the next Manning or Brady yet. All the Vikings fans that I know are simply happy that he is showing improvement and isn't turning the ball over. They are happy that he is showing he just mightg be our QB of the future.

I am not going overboard on him, I think he has taken a big step in his development this season, and I think he is doing a good job right now. He isn't turning the ball over and he is getting some first downs with his arm and legs. He isn't putting up big numbers but he is completing passes and the others seem to be more confident with him back there taking snaps than any other QB we have which is important. He is doing a good job managing games and not making mistakes until he reaches the point where he can take this team on his shoulders and make big plays himself. If he continues to simply do what he has been doing it will be much easier to watch the Vikes play while he is developing.


At this point its just exciting to see some really good improvement in him and I think we have a right to be a bit "giddy"


Saved me a bit of typing.
About sums up my feelings on this.

The only thing I'll add is that as long as the 2-headed monster (Peterson and Taylor) continue to confound Defenses, Jackson doesn't NEED to take the team on his shoulders and win it by himself.
The running game will force defenses to try and stop it, and the throwing game will open up as a result.


Maybe once those receivers of ours develop a bit more - and we add a souple more solid ones to the mix - we can look for more passing production from Jackson.
But, until then, he should continue to grow within the framework of what we DO have.


Caine


I agree completely. I was going to add something to this effect but had some people trying to get me off the computer ;)

I think we should be impressed at how well Tjack and our WRs have done. They have shown some major growth. We are starting to see our WRs get the ball more then 3-5 times a game. Usually it went something like 10-15 receptions in a game with either TE or RB getting most of those.

We are going to have to pass when we are behind and so its nice to see Jackson coming along nicely.

PurpleGator
12-16-2007, 03:17 PM
"VikingMike" wrote:


I'm just glad that TJack doesn't need to rely on Patrick Reusse for emotional support.
;D


A QB should never rely on a sportswriter for emotional support.