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Turboe
12-13-2007, 12:31 PM
I havent heard anyone talk about this. I am sure it probably has been, but I couldnt find anything using the search feature.

So anyway I think I remember hearing that Edwards' suspension was 4 weeks right?
So counting last week, does that mean that he will be back for the first playoff game (assuming that there is one) correct?
I assume when a player is suspended he cannot practice with the team, but do you know how extensive they are on no contact?
Can a player workout at the team facilities, or sit in on any meetings, film sessions, etc?
I imagine not, but I just wondered.

Mr Anderson
12-13-2007, 12:58 PM
"Turboe" wrote:


I havent heard anyone talk about this. I am sure it probably has been, but I couldnt find anything using the search feature.

So anyway I think I remember hearing that Edwards' suspension was 4 weeks right?
So counting last week, does that mean that he will be back for the first playoff game (assuming that there is one) correct?
I assume when a player is suspended he cannot practice with the team, but do you know how extensive they are on no contact?
Can a player workout at the team facilities, or sit in on any meetings, film sessions, etc?
I imagine not, but I just wondered.




Yes. Yes. Correct, they can not be in team facilities whatsoever.

josdin00
12-13-2007, 01:20 PM
NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
POLICY ON ANABOLIC STEROIDS
AND RELATED SUBSTANCES
2007 (http://www.nflpa.org/pdfs/RulesAndRegs/BannedSubstances.pdf)

"Players who are suspended under this Policy will be placed on the Reserve/Commissioner Suspension list. During the period that he is on Reserve/Commissioner Suspension, the player will not be paid, nor may he participate in team activities, use the Club’s facilities or have contact with any Club officials except to arrange off-site medical treatment. Before a player is reinstated following a suspension, he must test negative for all Prohibited Substances under this policy and must be approved as fit for play by his team physician.

In addition to the suspension imposed on him, any player suspended for a violation of the Policy will be ineligible for selection to the Pro Bowl, or to receive any other honors or awards from the League or the NFL Players Association, for the season in which the violation is upheld (i.e., following any appeals) and in which the suspension is served."

SKOL
12-13-2007, 02:17 PM
I've never understood why they cannot practice with, nor have contact with, the organization.
Granted, he's not being paid, but why would you take away what may be a troubled individual's only chance at being with decent people?

jmcdon00
12-13-2007, 02:29 PM
"SKOL" wrote:


I've never understood why they cannot practice with, nor have contact with, the organization.
Granted, he's not being paid, but why would you take away what may be a troubled individual's only chance at being with decent people?


It's a punishment. He was with those decent people before and he still got in trouble, time to try something else. I personally hope that he has played his last game as a viking, no need have one bad apple bring the team down.

SKOL
12-13-2007, 02:56 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"SKOL" wrote:


I've never understood why they cannot practice with, nor have contact with, the organization.
Granted, he's not being paid, but why would you take away what may be a troubled individual's only chance at being with decent people?


It's a punishment. He was with those decent people before and he still got in trouble, time to try something else. I personally hope that he has played his last game as a viking, no need have one bad apple bring the team down.

That's a little harsh.

While I understand the need for discipline, I personally wish we would have given Koren Robinson another chance.
The Packers are now benefiting by our lack of patience with him.
But that's another subject, and that's just me.
If we let Edwards go I'd bet that it would come back to haunt us.

mountainviking
12-13-2007, 03:45 PM
Have we even heard the whole story on this?
I never read if he was claiming is was accidental (supplement) or anything ???


Given the pressure he's provided this year, I'll have to give him another chance this time around!
He may be the force needed to help balance out the experience edge that every other playoff QB will have against us.
I do hope none of our other guys are on it.



NOT eligible for probowl huh?
Is that new?
Seems like Merriman played in it last year...?

NodakPaul
12-13-2007, 03:48 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


Have we even heard the whole story on this?
I never read if he was claiming is was accidental (supplement) or anything ???


Given the pressure he's provided this year, I'll have to give him another chance this time around!
He may be the force needed to help balance out the experience edge that every other playoff QB will have against us.
I do hope none of our other guys are on it.



NOT eligible for probowl huh?
Is that new?
Seems like Merriman played in it last year...?


Yes it is new, and it is directly because of Merriman last year.

purplepowered
12-13-2007, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the rule set so wI know how the rule is. I didnt know how it worked for sure. Anyway I heard it was for 4 weeks.So I assume he will be able to be back in time for playoff as long as he test ok for the drug etc. HE BETTER! We will need him We seek revenge on GB BAD

jargomcfargo
12-13-2007, 05:28 PM
The bigger question in my mind is how will he perform after he has been off the juice.
There really is no such thing as accidently taking a performance enhancing substance. That's just an attempt
to save face.These guys are responsible for what goes in their body. They know what they are using.
Many players aren't nearly as good once they stop using. Let's hope Edwards isn't one of them.
I remember the KC scrimmage came abruptly to an end when Edwards got in a fight. Was he roided up then?

He has been very good. I hope he gets even better off the juice.

BleedinPandG
12-13-2007, 06:51 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


Have we even heard the whole story on this?
I never read if he was claiming is was accidental (supplement) or anything ???


Given the pressure he's provided this year, I'll have to give him another chance this time around!
He may be the force needed to help balance out the experience edge that every other playoff QB will have against us.
I do hope none of our other guys are on it.



NOT eligible for probowl huh?
Is that new?
Seems like Merriman played in it last year...?


What I read following the incident was he claimed it was from a supplement he took which wasn't on the approved list.
At least he owned up to it instead of going down the appeal route so many players do now days on these things.
Supplement or not, purposeful or by mistake, the NFL is clear about which substances are approved.
Players need to acknowledge they take a risk using other products.
I feel the way he handled it is more then deserving of a second chance.
He made a mistake, he owned up to it, he accepted the punishment without appeal (when'd that last happen?), let him join the team for the playoffs.

DiehardVikesFan
12-14-2007, 10:22 PM
Keep in mind he fell to the 4th round because of character concerns. Personally I don't want to see him back on the squad.

litlharsh
12-14-2007, 11:09 PM
"DiehardVikesFan" wrote:


Keep in mind he fell to the 4th round because of character concerns. Personally I don't want to see him back on the squad.
That makes one of us.

Braddock
12-14-2007, 11:36 PM
"DiehardVikesFan" wrote:


Keep in mind he fell to the 4th round because of character concerns. Personally I don't want to see him back on the squad.


Whoa nelly, easy. No way we kick him off. Who honestly cares anymore? I don't. Plus, The supplement he took......was it steroids, or just not a company the NFL supports.... ala the Vitamin Water ad fines. Was he drinking Vitamin Water and they found out, or was it more serious like HGH?

PurplePowerPunch
12-15-2007, 12:20 AM
"DiehardVikesFan" wrote:


Keep in mind he fell to the 4th round because of character concerns. Personally I don't want to see him back on the squad.


Dude are you sick in the head or something? He's the best pass-rusher we got so far. No way we kick him off the team!!!

NodakPaul
12-15-2007, 12:20 AM
"Braddock" wrote:


"DiehardVikesFan" wrote:


Keep in mind he fell to the 4th round because of character concerns. Personally I don't want to see him back on the squad.


Whoa nelly, easy. No way we kick him off. Who honestly cares anymore? I don't. Plus, The supplement he took......was it steroids, or just not a company the NFL supports.... ala the Vitamin Water ad fines. Was he drinking Vitamin Water and they found out, or was it more serious like HGH?


It was an unapproved supplement, so somewhere in the middle.
From the reports I read it was still a legal supplement, jsut not allowed by the NFL.

Overlord
12-15-2007, 04:03 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Braddock" wrote:


"DiehardVikesFan" wrote:


Keep in mind he fell to the 4th round because of character concerns. Personally I don't want to see him back on the squad.


Whoa nelly, easy. No way we kick him off. Who honestly cares anymore? I don't. Plus, The supplement he took......was it steroids, or just not a company the NFL supports.... ala the Vitamin Water ad fines. Was he drinking Vitamin Water and they found out, or was it more serious like HGH?


It was an unapproved supplement, so somewhere in the middle.
From the reports I read it was still a legal supplement, jsut not allowed by the NFL.


This isn't like the Vitamin Water thing, which had nothing to do with banned substances and everything to do with advertising contracts.

In this case, Edwards took a banned performance enhancing drug and got caught.

What about the banned substances, legal supplements, and allowable supplments, etc.?
Essentially, the NFL has two lists.
One list is banned substances (pdf list (http://www.nflpa.org/pdfs/RulesAndRegs/ProhibitedSubstances.pdf)). The banned substances are types of steroids, for example.


The second list is approved supplements (link (http://www.nflpa.org/PlayerDevelopment/SUBSTANCESTEROIDPOLICY.aspx)).
The approved supplements are specific brands of products, such as specific labels for creatine or whatever.
The approved supplements are provided by reputable companies and have a 'goal post label.'
These products are certified by the NFL as containing no banned substances and only including the ingredients on the label.

A product that isn't on the list of approved supplements doesn't necessarily contain banned substances and therefore is not necessarily prohibited by the NFL.
But the league's policy is that you take those products at your own risk - they're not going to let you off the hook after a positive test because the supplement you took had a banned substance that wasn't listed in the ingredients.

So whatever
Edwards took had some banned substance in it.
He took steroids.
His claim is that he did so unknowingly (e.g., he bought protein powder and the manufacturer mixed in a banned substance).
That may be true or that may be just a lie.
It doesn't really matter to the NFL.
He's still going to get the same suspension.
If it had been an approved supplement, the NFL would have tested his supply and, if it were tainted, he would have been off the hook.