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CrazyAtMSU
12-05-2004, 07:04 PM
- Minnesota Vikings coaching staff gets an F for this game.

Defensively we played well on 1st and 2nd down. Come third down we fell apart, hutchinson looking like payton manning out there. My question to that is this: Since dropping all those guys back into coverage ISN'T working (ie: we gave up 3rd and 15+ 3 times i think, i could be wrong, but something like that, and they should have had another one that was dropped) maybe we should try sending the blitz once in a while come 3rd down. That way hutchinson, who isn't exactly a "veins-of-ice" dead eye passer, wouldn't have time to sit there and look downfield. I dont' make the calls but I saw our defensive secondary get beat all day long cuz hutchinson just sat back there and let it fly. GET IN HIS FACE!!! rattle the guy a little bit. Make HIM make the play.

Offensively we looked like we had never seen a blitz before. The offensive play calling in this game was absolutely sad. If they are sending multiple guys on the blitz that leaves our wide outs one-on-one, which shouldn't even be matchup. But also, there are plays to counter blitzes. I would love to know what percent of the plays they blitzed us in the second half. But where was the running game (I know we were down but when they are sending a blitz like that you have to keep them honest), where was the screen pass? There are plays that counter a blitz but the vikings coaching staff doesn't seem to have a clue what they are. (accept for that one screen that pep threw 40 yards across the field, which was the right idea. But it wasn't executed very well)

Daunte Culpepper played a damn good game in my opinion. The pick to Urlacher was a bad decision. They other 2 picks were a result of him running for his life. What little offense we did have in the second half was a direct result of pep making some damn good plays. He played well today despite his numbers.

I think the vikings coaching staff is ridiculously bad and something needs to change.

eastcoastvikes
12-05-2004, 07:09 PM
While on one hand I agree that the D wasn't working on third down, they could not blitz and leave the Defensive Backs one on one because Shaw was getting burned all day as it was never mind if he was one on one with those guys, that is where the loss of Winfield really hurt.
The offense did not do its job today, I know the Bears D is good but while Daunte was running for his life a lot of the day the line has to step it up and block someone! Daunte had no time to find the wideouts if they were getting open.
Anyway, I personally just want to chalk it up as a bad day and say the Vikes will be back next Sunday. This was not a complete failure of the coaches just a problem with being off for one day

VikingsTw
12-05-2004, 07:12 PM
Well the bears new our oline was banged up and we had guys on the practice squad starting so they blitzed the sh*t out of us. The play calling on screens never seemed to come at the right time. We did do some good thing but the oline really fell apart in the second half.

I'm not gonna trash the defensive players for this game, not one bit. Ted did not get enough blitzes to get to Hutch, especailly in the first half. When you have a offense that continues to turnover the ball time after time in good field position, how is your defense suposed to handle that? If i had to blame someone for this game i would put it on the shoulder of the Oline.

TheAnimal93
12-05-2004, 07:31 PM
if i had to blame this on one person or one aspect of the team it would have to be scott linehan. once again when we need a good game plan THE WHOLE GAME, i think he fell way short. passed way too many times on first down and not once was i surprised at the call. can i get a draw? something to slow down the blitz? QB draw? and when is the last time there was a bomb thrown? is doesnt have to be moss, campbell can get behind defenses and i am not impressed by the calls at all. the vikes are explosive on both sides of the ball when we score early and there is a big play, usually its to moss of course but there are plays designed to free up someone else isnt there? i didnt like linehan when he was at the raiders and i dont like him now and it appears that he wont make me eat my words either!!!! i am getting tired of seeing duante running all over the field and making plays or not instead of putting the kid in the right place at the right time so he wont have to do it all himself 99% of the time. there i said it, and i am sticking to it.

VikingsTw
12-05-2004, 07:39 PM
I didnt know linehan was with the RAIDERS??? The reason for no bombs is no time to throw=sh*ty play from the oline, pepp did get a bomb off to Mrob but he even had to scramble to get that off.

Toss2Moss84
12-05-2004, 08:00 PM
Sorry to say it but I think this game was the last straw for Tice. When your team can't beat the leagues bottom feeders then you need a change at the top. We never can get up for the bad teams ever since Tice has been head coach. We shoulda been able to blow out this Bears team today.

VikingsTw
12-05-2004, 08:03 PM
I know alot of people say we should blow them out then we should blow them out but in reality this is the NFL and that sh*t dont happen. Divisional games are very hard fought, both teams knowing each other very well. It's not easy to blow teams out, let alone teams in your division.

I still like Tice but the wasted timouts are driving me INSANE!

TheAnimal93
12-05-2004, 09:01 PM
"vikingstw" wrote:

I didnt know linehan was with the RAIDERS??? The reason for no bombs is no time to throw=sh*ty play from the oline, pepp did get a bomb off to Mrob but he even had to scramble to get that off.

linehan didnt last long at the raiders. and knowing that there is no time to throw the ball, how many series would it take you to call something to slow down the rush and take duante on a draw. another reverse. make them run from side to side and slow them down. anything but the basic pass plays on 1st down. and i have seen a play where duante rolls out TO THE RIGHT and launches a missle downfield. many different things surely could have been done.

dan3ski
12-05-2004, 09:30 PM
Well if you want my input Culpepper played a very bad game. He locked on his recievers right from the start so the Bears dee could just watch his eyes all day. Then he took way to long to make a play. The line can only give him 4 seconds not 6-8 like he was using.

Caine
12-05-2004, 10:26 PM
"Toss2Moss84" wrote:

Sorry to say it but I think this game was the last straw for Tice. When your team can't beat the leagues bottom feeders then you need a change at the top. We never can get up for the bad teams ever since Tice has been head coach. We shoulda been able to blow out this Bears team today.

Who would you replace him with? There aren't exactly a windfall of quality Head Coaches out there - or even hot Coordinators looking to step up.

If they do remove Tice (Which Red won't), at least we'll get new Coordinators. The only upside to that deal in my opinion.

Caine

TheAnimal93
12-05-2004, 10:38 PM
the only thing tice has done wrong is hire scott linehan. coaches coach. linehan has not held up his end of the deal. point blank. we have plenty of GOOD weapons and if you cannot find ways to exploit these weapons you are not doing your job.

Caine
12-05-2004, 10:40 PM
"vikes can do" wrote:

the only thing tice has done wrong is hire scott linehan. coaches coach. linehan has not held up his end of the deal. point blank. we have plenty of GOOD weapons and if you cannot find ways to exploit these weapons you are not doing your job.

Agreed. I think both Coordinaters need to be replaced. The talent is there, it's simply not being utilized effectively.

For the record: I like Tice, always have.

Caine

casper
12-06-2004, 12:54 AM
my thoughts on the game :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: WE LOST TO THE BEARS :angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire:

Del Rio
12-06-2004, 07:09 AM
We played one of the best defensive teams in the league. Their head coach is D-minded. They smack you around they all gang tackle and they are flying around like madmen.

The O-line looked like they were just trying to stay afloat and get out of there. The whole D looked like it lacked heart, and so did the offense with the exception of Pepper who had a rough game.

Moss didn't do jack. I watched 2 plays where he avoided blocking someone. I think he was depressed or something. He talked his talk and couldn't walk the walk. He must really be in pain still.

Not that they could have given him the ball anyway with the millionth of a second Pepper had.


To me it just looked sad, looked like the team lacked heart or desire to win and the bears were full of drive. There is no excuse for making Huchinson look like an all star. No excuse at all!

Watch next week he will be back to normal and the next QB who has proven he has moments of being great will pick us apart. This has been the story all year Cottrell sucks ass period.

/rant off

snowinapril
12-06-2004, 10:49 AM
"dan3ski" wrote:

Well if you want my input Culpepper played a very bad game. He locked on his recievers right from the start so the Bears dee could just watch his eyes all day. Then he took way to long to make a play. The line can only give him 4 seconds not 6-8 like he was using.

DC had a bad game, I am not down on him, just wasn't his day against a tough D. DC was under a lot of duress. He made a lot of plays that other QBs couldn't. He kept a couple of drives alive. Without DC, we might not have had half of our points.

There were 3 INTs and 2 INTs were ????. Burleson should have caught that one. The 3rd INT, DC was hit as he released it and it went over Moe's head. One was legit, Urlacher read his eyes on the 2nd INT.

All I have to say to sum it up is one letter........................D

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Natural Grass

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whackthepack
12-06-2004, 11:14 AM
"Del Rio" wrote:

We played one of the best defensive teams in the league. Their head coach is D-minded. They smack you around they all gang tackle and they are flying around like madmen.

The O-line looked like they were just trying to stay afloat and get out of there. The whole D looked like it lacked heart, and so did the offense with the exception of Pepper who had a rough game.

Moss didn't do jack. I watched 2 plays where he avoided blocking someone. I think he was depressed or something. He talked his talk and couldn't walk the walk. He must really be in pain still.

Not that they could have given him the ball anyway with the millionth of a second Pepper had.


To me it just looked sad, looked like the team lacked heart or desire to win and the bears were full of drive. There is no excuse for making Huchinson look like an all star. No excuse at all!

Watch next week he will be back to normal and the next QB who has proven he has moments of being great will pick us apart. This has been the story all year Cottrell sucks ass period.

/rant off


Del Rio I completely agree with your view of Cottrell! Playing a soft zone on 3rd and 17 with your DB's 10 yards off the receivers is stupid! Maybe the Jets got it right when they fired his ass!

ItalianStallion
12-06-2004, 11:20 AM
Playing soft on 3rd and 17 is not always a bad idea, that is, if anyone on you defense has any awareness at all. Remember you can give up 16 yards and still have a successful defensive play.

elgordo
12-06-2004, 11:22 AM
DC played a horrible second half.
He was not finding the open wide recievers even though he had fairly good time.

Too many sacks are blamed on the O-line. There were several times when the Bears blitzed two or more players and DC had at least 4 seconds before he was disrupted or sacked.

If they are blitzing players it is the QB's job to get rid of the ball quickly so that he is not sacked. if they are blitzing 2 or more guys there has to be somebody open and it is his job to find them quickly.

The line did have some breakdowns, but it was not all there fault.

What worries me the most about this game is that the team seems to have no discipline. Stupid penalties our the fault of the coaches because they need to have the players disciplined in practice so they do not make those mistakes in the game.

uncle tony
12-06-2004, 12:08 PM
My thought on this game is to forget it. Let's move on to the seahawks and take it one game at a time. The division is in our hands. Who want's it more the pack or us.

Caine
12-06-2004, 12:13 PM
"elgordo" wrote:

DC played a horrible second half.
He was not finding the open wide recievers even though he had fairly good time.

Too many sacks are blamed on the O-line. There were several times when the Bears blitzed two or more players and DC had at least 4 seconds before he was disrupted or sacked.

If they are blitzing players it is the QB's job to get rid of the ball quickly so that he is not sacked. if they are blitzing 2 or more guys there has to be somebody open and it is his job to find them quickly.

The line did have some breakdowns, but it was not all there fault.

What worries me the most about this game is that the team seems to have no discipline. Stupid penalties our the fault of the coaches because they need to have the players disciplined in practice so they do not make those mistakes in the game.

Agreed - stupid penalties and Daunte's preference for hanging on to the ball too long wound up costing us big. He has to learn to check through on blitzes and find the drop off guy - or get outside and throw it away.

Caine

snowinapril
12-06-2004, 12:37 PM
If DC is holding onto the ball, the WRs are not open. They had tight coverage most of the day. Robinson was the only guy I remember being open by much at all and that was a TD.

Where is the dump to the RB like we were doing when being blitzed earlier in the season? We have had the tendency to keep the RBs in to block instead of releasing them. The injuries and play on the line have dictated this decision to keep the RBs in for help.

Del Rio
12-06-2004, 12:51 PM
I highly doubt you could pick plays where it was DC's fault for holding the ball too long. You probably can't because you can't see the recievers. That is why that is a good D they disguise the blitz they bring corners safteys they stunt they fake like they blitz then drop into man/zone coverage. It's the coaches fault, its the OC fault. Unless you want pepper to throw another pick.

The whole 3rd and 17 you can give up 16 is true but not wise. Why?? Why give up one yard? It's not sound to pretend you have a 16 yard cushion. Because at that point of impact with one yard to go who on our team is going to have the desire and drive to make the stop? No one.
When it gets down to 1 yard left on that huge chunk it is a matter of who wants it more. Bring the heat, force them to make a huge mistake. Force them to make an amazing play. We were forced to make some amazing plays on offense that would be super highlight films if we won. But the fact is if you are forced to make those plays you are hurting, because not many people are capable of doing so. And no one can do it with consistency.

I'm sorry but Cottrell is not the man for the job IMO.

ItalianStallion
12-06-2004, 02:06 PM
Like I said Del Rio, if you have players who can read the play while it is occuring then giving a 10 yard cuhion on 3rd and 16 is not always a bad idea. However when you have player who let people run by them and/or can't tackle for the life of them it usually isn't that great.

Del Rio
12-06-2004, 02:15 PM
Ah I missed your 10 yard cushion comment. No grief from me I just am not a supporter of cushy D.

And awareness is key.

TheAnimal93
12-06-2004, 02:35 PM
facts are that cottrell was fired because the jets D was awful last year, and now they are at the top again. linehan was fired from the raiders a couple of years or so ago and dont quote me on this he didnt have a job until tice or whoever called. they suck and they are not going to get any better. like i said, coaches coach..........and i am not sure if i would even call them coaches.