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ultravikingfan
12-02-2007, 04:04 PM
I have to wait and watch the game when I get home from work, but I like what the score reflects.


-Great job by T-Jack.
1 pick, it's gonna happen.
He is improving.

-AD and CT the two-headed monster

-Watch out NFC, here we come!

-Good job again Chilly!

-Smart move resting AD.

BadlandsVikings
12-02-2007, 04:06 PM
Good Job Everybody!!!

Mikecarter81
12-02-2007, 04:06 PM
Ultra
nice post

I can't disagree with any of those points.
I might add good play by the defense they ther then the quick TD in the first quarter.
Detroit was never in this game.

P.S. Thank you Audrey Allison for the return as well as the nice amount of hustle todfay on catches.

MIke

Vikes_King
12-02-2007, 04:13 PM
Great job by the rookies and young players.

TD by Rice, TD by Wade, TD by Taylor, 2 TD's by AD.
Kickoff return for a TD by Allison.

Jackson over 200 yards, and that interception only came after a great play knocking a pass in the endzone out of Shiancoe's hands.


Only one punt, good defensive plays, INT by Udeze :)

I'm pumped.
112 points over 3 games, and the 49ers next, who just had 31 points put up on them by Carolina.
Should be exciting

x-ray jeff
12-02-2007, 04:14 PM
Jackson looks more relaxed. The Defense played well, holding Detroit to just over 250 yds total. What can you say about Adrian? The kid works a half and puts up numbers some backs don't get in an entire game. Good mixture of run / pass play calls, and I loved the fake field goal call!!

SKOL VIKINGS

CaptainKirk
12-02-2007, 04:15 PM
Ok.
I'll believe that the Vikings are coming together as a team and maybe Childress is finally figuring out how to be a coach.
But like the Bush surge in Iraq, I won't believe it until Bush walks through a Baghdad market and the Vikings get into at least the 2nd round.

BBQ Platypus
12-02-2007, 04:18 PM
I think the difference in how T-Jack is playing now compared with the beginning of the season is clear even in the body language.
Earlier this year, he looked more timid and nervous in the pocket.
It was especially noticeable when he was in the shotgun - he looked like he was afraid he was going to drop it or something.

For the past three weeks, though, he's looked calm and confident back there - he's making all the throws he should be making, and he's going through his reads calmly, without panicking.

The whole team showed up today - we executed damn near perfectly all day long.
I can't remember the Vikings playing this well in every facet of the game since 1998.

I really can't think of anything else to say.
I'm pretty much speechless right now.
I certainly couldn't have predicted us winning three straight after that humiliating loss by the Packers.
I never thought I'd be saying this, but it looks like Childress's plan is starting to come to fruition.

hx38596
12-02-2007, 04:20 PM
Wow...
what
a difference in T-Jack.
Very poised and ran / thrown well.
I'm trying to see what's different with execution now vs. earlier in the year, like black and white.

and i have a feeling with 25 carries, AD would've been 250+ yards today.


Another note... Why does AD have nastier cuts now than earlier.
He had some monster cuts with that brace on...
made some defenders miss him completely with unbelievable cuts with that brace.
This is looking like a dangerous Vike team no one really would want to play right now.
All the momentum.
Still some work needed in pass defense.

Mr Anderson
12-02-2007, 04:25 PM
"hx38596" wrote:


Wow...
what
a difference in T-Jack.
Very poised and ran / thrown well.
I'm trying to see what's different with execution now vs. earlier in the year, like black and white.

and i have a feeling with 25 carries, AD would've been 250+ yards today.


Another note... Why does AD have nastier cuts now than earlier.
He had some monster cuts with that brace on...
made some defenders miss him completely with unbelievable cuts with that brace.
This is looking like a dangerous Vike team no one really would want to play right now.
All the momentum.
Still some work needed in pass defense.


We are a deep threat receiver and a safety away from the best team in the NFC if we continue to execute like this.

Kenny Phillips or DeSean Jackson is our big question now. ;D

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 04:25 PM
Wow.......

How can you find fault with a performance like that. (I am sure somebody will though
;D)

Sure doesn't look like a team falling apart of having all the unhappy players in it that a writer alluded to with all his "Off the record" quotes/reporting.


QB.
INT by TJ was about the only flaw I could see in his performance.
Again, a pretty good job of managing the game, seeing the field and not making any major mistakes that would have cost us the game.
His passes were crisp, on target and on time.
Great looking touch pass on the lob to Rice that shows he is maybe getting a clue on that aspect.

Recievers.
Nice job by all.
Held on to some very hard throws by TJ.
Good blocking down field for the runners.
Loved to finally get to see Allison make some grabs and Rice, along with B-wade were clutch early and often.
Heck even Shank and Dugan caught a couple of nice ones.

RB's.
Nothing more to say than outstanding effort.

OL.
Man do I like this group now.
Only saw 3 missed blocks and Herrera is a beast when he pulls.

DL.
Finally got some pressure with our front 4 without alot of blitzing.
Nice to see, although alot of that could be attributed to the Offense getting them in a situation were the Lions were pretty much 1 dimensional.


Secondary.
Still need some work here but a good performance.
Kept everyone in front of them and other than the TD drive the Lions had, they didn't give up any big plays.

LB'rs.
Quiet day from this crowd but that is the way I like it.
Good job by all 3 keeping pressure when they did blitz and supporting the pass when the team was in thier zone coverage.

ST's.
Touchdown by Allison and a nice fake/trick play at a key point in the game.

Negatives. (Really have to knit pick here to find any
;D)

A few penalties that unfortunately blemished a stellar team performance.

ST.
The kickoff coverage seemed to let the Lions start with good Field position all game.
Nothing really bad about that but I sure was worried a couple of times.

Dropped catch in the End Zone by Shank.
Next play resulted in a pick.
Shank, you need to pull that ball in when you get a easy catch like that.
You can't let the defender knock it away.

AND THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE OF ALL.........

It will be quiet around PPO again this week as all the haters don't come around when the team wins.
I kindof miss them sometimes.

;D

litlharsh
12-02-2007, 04:26 PM
"hx38596" wrote:


Wow...
what
a difference in T-Jack.
Very poised and ran / thrown well.
I'm trying to see what's different with execution now vs. earlier in the year, like black and white.

and i have a feeling with 25 carries, AD would've been 250+ yards today.


Another note... Why does AD have nastier cuts now than earlier.
He had some monster cuts with that brace on...
made some defenders miss him completely with unbelievable cuts with that brace.
This is looking like a dangerous Vike team no one really would want to play right now.
All the momentum.
Still some work needed in pass defense.
haha honestly kennoy kennedy is going to have nightmares. He just stood there while AD abused him.

Vikes_King
12-02-2007, 04:29 PM
"litlharsh" wrote:


"hx38596" wrote:


Wow...
what
a difference in T-Jack.
Very poised and ran / thrown well.
I'm trying to see what's different with execution now vs. earlier in the year, like black and white.

and i have a feeling with 25 carries, AD would've been 250+ yards today.


Another note... Why does AD have nastier cuts now than earlier.
He had some monster cuts with that brace on...
made some defenders miss him completely with unbelievable cuts with that brace.
This is looking like a dangerous Vike team no one really would want to play right now.
All the momentum.
Still some work needed in pass defense.
haha honestly kennoy kennedy is going to have nightmares. He just stood there while AD abused him.


no shit.. he juked back and forth like 4 times before making a move to his left lol.

vikesfargo
12-02-2007, 04:33 PM
Our team took a big step ahead today. Some keys as I saw it.

Killer Instinct - Even when the Vikings went up by 11, 18, or more points, they didn't let down. They kept their foot on the jugular. The defense, offense, and special teams kept going right at it.

Running backs - They took the lead today and with their effort took control of the game.

Offensive line - Excellent on rushing plays, OK on passing plays. McKinnie showed his toughness by shaking off an injury.

Tarvaris Jackson - Another solid step in our QB's progression. Jackson made several bigtime throws, showing off his strong arm. The two huge redzone TD throws were signs that our guy can make the throws we need him to make. He mostly made good decisions all game long. The interception was a negative, and Jackson will have an opportunity to learn from the play. The way Jackson tackled the Lion who caught his ball was great. It demonstrated responsibility, leadership, and desire to win. One more thing - TJack has to slide more on those scrambles. He's going to improve even more as our pass protection improves.

Two-minute drill - At the end of the first half a couple of mistakes were made in not getting out-of-bounds, and so on. Overall the drive was executed successfully and largely on the ground, which was a good sign.

Special teams - A big day for this unit. The kickoff coverage had some breakdowns, but the return for the TD by Allison was great

2007 draft class - What a group! Sidney Rice, Marcus Macauley, Aundrae Allison, not to mention rookie of the year Adrian Peterson.

Childress - Most points (42) scored so far in the Childress era. First back-to-back 40-point games since 1998. First back-to-back-to-back wins of Childress era. Very few penalties. Very few false starts. Great game plan.

Pass defense - We got burned a few times. Cedric Griffin played his heart out and kept his head up in a tough game. He is coming along, and so are our other young defensive players. They have an opportunity to build on this experience and continue to improve, little by little, steadily in a positive direction. The D-line took another step forward today with lots of pressure. Linebacker play was good.

All in all, it was almost a day of total domination over a dangerous divisional rival.
The challenge this week will be staying consistent and taking care of business against the San Francisco 49ers. For many years the Vikings have laid down against inferior opponents, being upset by weaker teams in December. Beating the angry, desperate 49ers will be another important test while on the hunt for the playoffs.

Last point. It was nice to see the tributes to Sean Taylor around the League, especially the Redskins starting defense of 10 players. We shouldn't forget that this is a game, and there are bigger things in life. RIP Sean Taylor.

Purple Floyd
12-02-2007, 04:48 PM
It was an outstanding effort. We came out and played power football to start the game and ran the ball right at their defense. I believed with their interior the way it was that we were going to have to go outside the tackles to gain yards, but the coaches went with that 2 tight end I formation that I wanted since the preseason and it worked like a charm. Then once they softened them up with the power game they were able open things up and they cashed in on the opportunities they had.


TJ- He finally showed that he can be an NFL QB.
He made one mistake on the INT by the goal line but I will take a few of those because they came from us being agressive and not from being tentative.When the line broke down he was able to slide away from the pressure. Welcome to the NFL TJ

O-line.
When we put in 2 TE's we can move the ball on anybody and today they did whatever they wanted when they wanted to. Nice

D-line.
They got to the QB and either sacked or hurried him all day long. That reviewed play by the officials should have been a fumble by Kitna and a recovery by the defense. The call sucked.

Linebackers-
They had a great game. EJ had some big hits.

Coaching staff.- For the third win a row and the best performance by the team in a long time I give them an A+.
The rushing and passing were both working. A special teams TD, a near defensive TD and a successful fake FG were all well coached. A+

Overlord
12-02-2007, 04:52 PM
"hx38596" wrote:


Another note... Why does AD have nastier cuts now than earlier.
He had some monster cuts with that brace on...
made some defenders miss him completely with unbelievable cuts with that brace.



Because he wasn't really wearing a brace.
He had his leg replaced with a powerful robotic implant.
He's more machine than man now...

Up until the Shank drop, I thought this was maybe the best game I'd ever seen the Vikings play.
Our running backs were obviously great.
Tarvaris didn't go deep much, but he looked like he was putting the ball exactly where he wanted it on the short passes.
The offensive line was very good.
It seemed like even when they 'missed' a block, they still got a piece of the guy so the running back could get away on most plays.
Even the coaching staff had a good game, though I didn't like the timeout with 9 seconds left in the first half.
Sidney Rice helped me get over that, though.
The defense played well, and really finished the game strong considering the large lead.

Fun game to watch.

V4L
12-02-2007, 04:52 PM
Where's the T-jack haters?

CCthebest
12-02-2007, 05:11 PM
This was a great win by both the O and D. Hardly any mistakes at all.

TJ looks like he coming into his own. 3 straight wins means good coaching.

Rice and AD may be the best players of the draft.

Can we finish 10-6? I never would have believed it.

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 05:14 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:


This was a great win by both the O and D. Hardly any mistakes at all.

TJ looks like he coming into his own. 3 straight wins means good coaching.

Rice and AD may be the best players of the draft.

Can we finish 10-6? I never would have believed it.

I tried my friend.
(I really was touting a 9-7 record).

The future is nearer than some believe.
;D

mrswebby
12-02-2007, 05:15 PM
Or...
maybe it was just the Lucky Charm?
J/K-
they looked awesome today- though it is kind of fun that the Lucky Charm, who is on a 3 game winning streak, happens to be my best friend's husband, Frank.
(For those that aren't aware, K-Fan radio station here picks a fan to be the Lucky Charm (yes, named after the cereal). They get a jersey, tickets to the games, and all expenses paid to out of town games... and go as long as they continue the winning streak).
Today, he and his dad were on the field for pre-game activities, and never left the field.
Now, they're off to San Francisco to help them destroy the 49ers...


Way to go, Vikes!
Now THAT'S how it's done- and fun to watch to boot!

arrested_developer
12-02-2007, 05:16 PM
Dare I say we don't need to draft a QB? Or a WR?

Tarvaris' only mistake came after Shiancoe's big mistake.

T-Jack is 45 for 58 in the last three weeks!

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 05:17 PM
"arrested_developer" wrote:


Dare I say we don't need to draft a QB? Or a WR?

Tarvaris' only mistake came after Shiancoe's big mistake.

T-Jack is 45 for 58 in the last three weeks!

He is (well almost) making a believer out of me.
Lets see if he stays healthy the rest of the year my friend.
I still close my eyes every time he runs or gets sacked.
;D

Vikes_King
12-02-2007, 05:18 PM
"Overlord" wrote:


"hx38596" wrote:


Another note... Why does AD have nastier cuts now than earlier.
He had some monster cuts with that brace on...
made some defenders miss him completely with unbelievable cuts with that brace.



Because he wasn't really wearing a brace.
He had his leg replaced with a powerful robotic implant.
He's more machine than man now...

Up until the Shank drop, I thought this was maybe the best game I'd ever seen the Vikings play.
Our running backs were obviously great.
Tarvaris didn't go deep much, but he looked like he was putting the ball exactly where he wanted it on the short passes.
The offensive line was very good.
It seemed like even when they 'missed' a block, they still got a piece of the guy so the running back could get away on most plays.
Even the coaching staff had a good game, though I didn't like the timeout with 9 seconds left in the first half.
Sidney Rice helped me get over that, though.
The defense played well, and really finished the game strong considering the large lead.

Fun game to watch.



It still was amazing.
You can NOT blame Shank for that, he maybe could have tried to tuck it in faster, but he had two hands on the ball, and the defender made a very good play knocking the ball away.

Perfectly thrown pass to him, good play on the ball, but a better one by the defender, what a game

LuckyVike
12-02-2007, 05:21 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Where's the T-jack haters?


I wouldn't consider myself a "T-jack hater" but I'm not exactly crowning him king like some people on here are.
Yes, he has had a few solid games in a row but I want to see more before I'm satisfied.
No, I don't need Peyton Manning numbers to be impressed but I want to see if he can win a game and not just manage it.
Or is that too much to ask of him at this stage of his development?

marcosMN
12-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Ah, what a difference confidence makes...

Purple Floyd
12-02-2007, 05:24 PM
I cannot remember a better performance by the Vikings as long as I have watched them to be honest. 1998 had good games but was pretty much all offense and the defense trying not to give up more points than the offense scored.

This was a complete win in all areas of the game.

Schutz
12-02-2007, 05:26 PM
Highest point total for us in the Childress era.
I was more than happy today, and if we can keep this up with our crazy easy schedule the rest of the year and Detroit's not so easy one we have a shot.

fanfrom1969
12-02-2007, 05:28 PM
Where was Greenway today? Or Robinson? Or Edwards on D? Did any of them play?

BadlandsVikings
12-02-2007, 05:32 PM
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Marrdro
12-02-2007, 05:34 PM
"fanfrom1969" wrote:


Where was Greenway today? Or Robinson? Or Edwards on D? Did any of them play?

Yes and all contributed in some way.
Just no big plays for any of them.

BBQ Platypus
12-02-2007, 05:37 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


Where was Greenway today? Or Robinson? Or Edwards on D? Did any of them play?

Yes and all contributed in some way.
Just no big plays for any of them.


Actually, Edwards DID cause that interception in the 2nd quarter.

Vikes_King
12-02-2007, 05:41 PM
"BBQ" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


Where was Greenway today? Or Robinson? Or Edwards on D? Did any of them play?

Yes and all contributed in some way.
Just no big plays for any of them.


Actually, Edwards DID cause that interception in the 2nd quarter.


Yup, he tipped the pass at the line.

Ray Edwards didn't get the start for some reason today, I found a link about it earlier saying James would get it, but no one has listed why Edwards didnt start.
But thats why you didn't see too much of either Edwards or Robinson, James got more snaps

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 05:43 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"BBQ" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


Where was Greenway today? Or Robinson? Or Edwards on D? Did any of them play?

Yes and all contributed in some way.
Just no big plays for any of them.


Actually, Edwards DID cause that interception in the 2nd quarter.

Yup, he tipped the pass at the line.

Ray Edwards didn't get the start for some reason today, I found a link about it earlier saying James would get it, but no one has listed why Edwards didnt start.
But thats why you didn't see too much of either Edwards or Robinson, James got more snaps

You are correct.
I forgot about that one, and yes James did start.
We all must remember that Edwards is really James' backup.


Don't want to slam him, however, lets hope he starts earning the job after his injuries.

jargomcfargo
12-02-2007, 05:43 PM
Childress - Looks a lot better with a winning team.People are starting to give him some credit. Imagine that!

Offensive line- Just getting better and better. Even Cook has been playing well! Herrera has made a huge difference.

Tarvaris Jackson-He's gaining confidence every game.With the running game he has, there is no reason he shouldn't continue to improve.

Griffin/McCauley- Still a work in progress, but could be worse.

Williamson- Good year so far, but; would you say Williamson or Allison? I like Allison.

Defensive line- Udeze has been having a good year. James is starting to get back to form. There isn't a single backup that is inferior on this line. We lack pressure at times, but they aren't bad.

Special teams- Still need to block better.But otherwise aren't too bad.

So I tried to cover everything that has been a negative in our losses this year.

I know this was a game at home and against the lions.

But I, like many others on this site, believed this team just needed a quarterback to be good. Maybe we have that now. Maybe we don't. But even if we don't make the playoffs this year, look out for this team next year.

Vikes_King
12-02-2007, 05:45 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Childress - Looks a lot better with a winning team.People are starting to give him some credit. Imagine that!

Offensive line- Just getting better and better. Even Cook has been playing well! Herrera has made a huge difference.

Tarvaris Jackson-He's gaining confidence every game.With the running game he has, there is no reason he shouldn't continue to improve.

Griffin/McCauley- Still a work in progress, but could be worse.

Williamson- Good year so far, but; would you say Williamson or Allison? I like Allison.

Defensive line- Udeze has been having a good year. James is starting to get back to form. There isn't a single backup that is inferior on this line. We lack pressure at times, but they aren't bad.

Special teams- Still need to block better.But otherwise aren't too bad.

So I tried to cover everything that has been a negative in our losses this year.

I know this was a game at home and against the lions.

But I, like many others on this site, believed this team just needed a quarterback to be good. Maybe we have that now. Maybe we don't. But even if we don't make the playoffs this year, look out for this team next year.







Mewelde Moore had a hell of a block during that kickoff return for a TD
;D

happy camper
12-02-2007, 05:48 PM
Kudos to the entire team. But really great job by Brad Childress and Tarvaris Jackson, two people who have had a lot of mud thrown their way this season by myself included.

9-7 or even 10-6 is a very real possibility. It takes a lot of good performances by a lot of different players to win 3 in a row. Good job guys.

vikes09
12-02-2007, 05:50 PM
"CaptainKirk" wrote:


Ok.
I'll believe that the Vikings are coming together as a team and maybe Childress is finally figuring out how to be a coach.
But like the Bush surge in Iraq, I won't believe it until Bush walks through a Baghdad market and the Vikings get into at least the 2nd round.


If the vikings end up making the playoffs after our horrendous start, i will definitely be believing in Chilly...


Good win today, let's hope it carries with us into the postseason! *crosses fingers*

tgorsegner
12-02-2007, 05:54 PM
This team is starting to look really good, but im not ready to crown anyone yet. I think we have a good shot at the playoffs, but is this team really good enough to go anywhere once they get in?

shockzilla
12-02-2007, 05:55 PM
All around standout performance once again. T-Jack is starting to come into his own. Allison - solid game! The offensive line is playing extremely well.

AND the D didn't have to carry the game!

PurplePeopleEaters
12-02-2007, 05:56 PM
On another note, we officially have matched our win total from last year. What I wanted out of this year was for our team to show SOME improvement, especially in the win column. Up to this point, we've done it. The 3 game winning streak is huge.. It's hard to even believe that we were 3-6 3 weeks ago. As they say, winning solves everything and we're finally doing it. A playoff berth would be the icing on the cake for this season and would show the other teams in the league that we're a force. Another good draft and FA period and we could contend for a super bowl.

BleedinPandG
12-02-2007, 05:58 PM
"tgorsegner" wrote:


This team is starting to look really good, but im not ready to crown anyone yet. I think we have a good shot at the playoffs, but is this team really good enough to go anywhere once they get in?


Both the Boys and the Pack are beatable if a solid game is played.
I think the Vikes have a solid shot of beating either Tampa or Seattle wild card weekend on the road with their running game.
Having a QB who can complete 70+% of his passes and is throwing 20+ times a game will continue to open things up for AD and CT.

marcosMN
12-02-2007, 05:58 PM
Peterson scores two TDs as Vikings win third straight


Adrian Peterson is back in a big way, and the Minnesota Vikings suddenly appear to be so much more than a one-man show.

Peterson rushed for 116 yards and two touchdowns in his return from a knee injury and quarterback Tarvaris Jackson continued his steady improvement to lead the surging Vikings to a 42-10 victory over the free-falling Detroit Lions on Sunday.

In the last three weeks, Jackson has shown poise, an accurate arm and command of the offense that simply wasn't there early in the season, and Sunday was his best game yet.

He was 18-of-24 for 204 yards and two touchdowns, and the Vikings (6-6) scored TDs on their first six possessions to win their third in a row and fourth in the last five games.



Full story:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271202016

Garland Greene
12-02-2007, 06:00 PM
"LuckyVike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Where's the T-jack haters?


I wouldn't consider myself a "T-jack hater" but I'm not exactly crowning him king like some people on here are.
Yes, he has had a few solid games in a row but I want to see more before I'm satisfied.
No, I don't need Peyton Manning numbers to be impressed but I want to see if he can win a game and not just manage it.
Or is that too much to ask of him at this stage of his development?


Great point Lucky Vike. He is FINALLY showing signs that he may get it. If he csn continue with showing some consistancy. and not making bad mistakes especially TO in the RZ. Those can kill a team. Keep showing me that he can continue to play at a somewhat solid level you habve been. IS he our future? I am still not conviced because he has a long way to go. But is what is funny is that most of the people that rip on us "haters" because we expect him to do better are also the same ones that are all over picking up a QB in FA or in the draft.

nephilimstorm
12-02-2007, 06:01 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"LuckyVike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Where's the T-jack haters?


I wouldn't consider myself a "T-jack hater" but I'm not exactly crowning him king like some people on here are.
Yes, he has had a few solid games in a row but I want to see more before I'm satisfied.
No, I don't need Peyton Manning numbers to be impressed but I want to see if he can win a game and not just manage it.
Or is that too much to ask of him at this stage of his development?



the key word in there is "finally"
Great point Lucky Vike. He is FINALLY showing signs that he may get it. If he csn continue with showing some consistancy. and not making bad mistakes especially TO in the RZ. Those can kill a team. Keep showing me that he can continue to play at a somewhat solid level you habve been. IS he our future? I am still not conviced because he has a long way to go. But is what is funny is that most of the people that rip on us "haters" because we expect him to do better are also the same ones that are all over picking up a QB in FA or in the draft.

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:03 PM
And what do u guys mean FINALLY?

What do u honestly expect out of a QB from a D2 skool making his 12th start or so?

Schutz
12-02-2007, 06:04 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.

shockzilla
12-02-2007, 06:04 PM
Where were today V4L?

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:06 PM
Weather was real bad.. Tons of snow and slick roads

Just leaving town we saw 5-7 cars in the ditch

Sucks too cuz we had 4 tickets on the 50 yard line!! :(

realviking
12-02-2007, 06:09 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


I agree that he more or less just needs to manage for this year, but eventually, for the Vikings to go anywhere, he's going to have to be a playmaker just like AD.
However, I think he's on his way.
It may take a year or two, but I'm very interested to see what he can do.

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:10 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:14 PM
"realviking" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


I agree that he more or less just needs to manage for this year, but eventually, for the Vikings to go anywhere, he's going to have to be a playmaker just like AD.
However, I think he's on his way.
It may take a year or two, but I'm very interested to see what he can do.



Very true my friend

I see his playmakin ability coming out

His rushing is becoming better.. He still holds the ball too long sometimes but he is making things happen

Im excited to see what he will do in a few years

Hopefully he is on the up and up

Schutz
12-02-2007, 06:16 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


So people who don't think T-Jack is the future this early are "Haters" but we can now predict he's going to be GREAT?
I'm glad he's doing well the last couple games but i'm not ready to crown him by a long shot.

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:18 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


So people who don't think T-Jack is the future this early are "Haters" but we can now predict he's going to be GREAT?
I'm glad he's doing well the last couple games but i'm not ready to crown him by a long shot.



Bashers, Haters, Doubters.. Whatever u wanna call it bro..

And not one person has crowned him

I just see him as our starter and FUTURE probowler

U all are predicting horrible numbers and records for him so why can't I do the oppisite?

gagarr
12-02-2007, 06:20 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


It will be quiet around PPO again this week as all the haters don't come around when the team wins.
I kindof miss them sometimes.

;D


After the GB fiasco I couldn't come to PPO... I needed the 3 wins to start to see a future.
I'm not sold on playoffs yet, but today's Lions game is a major step in the right direction.

Especially seeing the Lions and Giants going south...

Vikes have a great schedule left.... just get the job done and we are in....

Schutz
12-02-2007, 06:23 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


So people who don't think T-Jack is the future this early are "Haters" but we can now predict he's going to be GREAT?
I'm glad he's doing well the last couple games but i'm not ready to crown him by a long shot.



Bashers, Haters, Doubters.. Whatever u wanna call it bro..

And not one person has crowned him

I just see him as our starter and FUTURE probowler

U all are predicting horrible numbers and records for him so why can't I do the oppisite?


Go right ahead I don't care, i'm just saying if you go that road that would in fact make you a hypocrit for bashing us supposed "T-Jack Haters" but in the next sentence say he's got nothing but a great carear in front of him.
I've admited he's impressed me a bit, and i'd be happy if he proves me wrong, but once again i'm not so crazy to CROWN him to be great already.

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 06:25 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:




Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


So people who don't think T-Jack is the future this early are "Haters" but we can now predict he's going to be GREAT?
I'm glad he's doing well the last couple games but i'm not ready to crown him by a long shot.



Bashers, Haters, Doubters.. Whatever u wanna call it bro..

And not one person has crowned him

I just see him as our starter and FUTURE probowler

U all are predicting horrible numbers and records for him so why can't I do the oppisite?


Go right ahead I don't care, i'm just saying if you go that road that would in fact make you a hypocrit for bashing us supposed "T-Jack Haters" but in the next sentence say he's got nothing but a great carear in front of him.
I've admited he's impressed me a bit, and i'd be happy if he proves me wrong, but once again i'm not so crazy to CROWN him to be great already.


I think you are both right.

Heck we don't need a great QB in this scheme.
We need a guy that can make all the throws, on time, accurately and without making huge mistakes that will cost us games.
If he matures even into that then this team will be very very dangerous.

For me, it is still all about his ability to stay healthy, not his talent level and potential.

ultravikingfan
12-02-2007, 06:26 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Where's the T-jack haters?


I hope you are going to be intelligent enough to realize there were more than just haters and lovers.
Yes, some purely hated and the guy could not do anything right.
There were some that stood by and said give him time.
Then there were some that got frustrated and speculated that TJ will never be a pro QB for long.

As for me, am the third above mentioned.
Although I am still sticking to it, I glad he is improving.
Believe me, I would love to see the guy come out and kick ass and be the best ever.
I am more confident in him as I was a few weeks ago.

Good job.

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:26 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:




Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


So people who don't think T-Jack is the future this early are "Haters" but we can now predict he's going to be GREAT?
I'm glad he's doing well the last couple games but i'm not ready to crown him by a long shot.



Bashers, Haters, Doubters.. Whatever u wanna call it bro..

And not one person has crowned him

I just see him as our starter and FUTURE probowler

U all are predicting horrible numbers and records for him so why can't I do the oppisite?


Go right ahead I don't care, i'm just saying if you go that road that would in fact make you a hypocrit for bashing us supposed "T-Jack Haters" but in the next sentence say he's got nothing but a great carear in front of him.
I've admited he's impressed me a bit, and i'd be happy if he proves me wrong, but once again i'm not so crazy to CROWN him to be great already.




How does that make me a hipocrite?

I was simply just pointing out that he is 6-2 as a starter that most people ignore

And that his Qb rating over the last 3 games has been over 100..

And yet people still give him no credit.. That's all im saying

I just think all the haters are gonna continue to be haters.. And won't give credit when credit is due

LuckyVike
12-02-2007, 06:26 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


There it is.
You are so confident in saying Jackson WILL be a great NFL QB but I don't see what you base this on.
Yes, he has shown some improvement but an average game is improvement over how he was performing.
You think it's fine he can't win a game but if we enter a game where AD gets shut down, and that WILL happen, I'm not sure Jackson can lead us through the air.
Basing the future of this franchise on 3 games is a bit rash, IMO.

ultravikingfan
12-02-2007, 06:28 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


So people who don't think T-Jack is the future this early are "Haters" but we can now predict he's going to be GREAT?
I'm glad he's doing well the last couple games but i'm not ready to crown him by a long shot.



Bashers, Haters, Doubters.. Whatever u wanna call it bro..

And not one person has crowned him

I just see him as our starter and FUTURE probowler

U all are predicting horrible numbers and records for him so why can't I do the oppisite?


I am sure you have read the posts from certain members where they basically echo the same thing over and over and over.
I would really hate for you to turn into one of those guys by repeating pretty much the same thing in every thread.

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:29 PM
"LuckyVike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


There it is.
You are so confident in saying Jackson WILL be a great NFL QB but I don't see what you base this on.
Yes, he has shown some improvement but an average game is improvement over how he was performing.
You think it's fine he can't win a game but if we enter a game where AD gets shut down, and that WILL happen, I'm not sure Jackson can lead us through the air.
Basing the future of this franchise on 3 games is a bit rash, IMO.



Im not basing it on three games

Im basing it on the improvment he has been making ever since he has came into the league

Im basing it on his pure talent

Im basing it on seeing the WHOLE team gel and seeing him get comfortable with it

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:36 PM
Anyways good game all around

All three aspects delivered for us today

Lets keep it rolling

LuckyVike
12-02-2007, 06:37 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:






Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


So people who don't think T-Jack is the future this early are "Haters" but we can now predict he's going to be GREAT?
I'm glad he's doing well the last couple games but i'm not ready to crown him by a long shot.



Bashers, Haters, Doubters.. Whatever u wanna call it bro..

And not one person has crowned him

I just see him as our starter and FUTURE probowler

U all are predicting horrible numbers and records for him so why can't I do the oppisite?


Go right ahead I don't care, i'm just saying if you go that road that would in fact make you a hypocrit for bashing us supposed "T-Jack Haters" but in the next sentence say he's got nothing but a great carear in front of him.
I've admited he's impressed me a bit, and i'd be happy if he proves me wrong, but once again i'm not so crazy to CROWN him to be great already.




How does that make me a hipocrite?

I was simply just pointing out that he is 6-2 as a starter that most people ignore

And that his Qb rating over the last 3 games has been over 100..

And yet people still give him no credit.. That's all im saying

I just think all the haters are gonna continue to be haters.. And won't give credit when credit is due




?????????

Many of us have said Jackson has been playing solid.
Just because we haven't been calling him a future pro-bowler doesn't mean we're not giving him credit.

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:39 PM
"LuckyVike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:








Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


So people who don't think T-Jack is the future this early are "Haters" but we can now predict he's going to be GREAT?
I'm glad he's doing well the last couple games but i'm not ready to crown him by a long shot.



Bashers, Haters, Doubters.. Whatever u wanna call it bro..

And not one person has crowned him

I just see him as our starter and FUTURE probowler

U all are predicting horrible numbers and records for him so why can't I do the oppisite?


Go right ahead I don't care, i'm just saying if you go that road that would in fact make you a hypocrit for bashing us supposed "T-Jack Haters" but in the next sentence say he's got nothing but a great carear in front of him.
I've admited he's impressed me a bit, and i'd be happy if he proves me wrong, but once again i'm not so crazy to CROWN him to be great already.




How does that make me a hipocrite?

I was simply just pointing out that he is 6-2 as a starter that most people ignore

And that his Qb rating over the last 3 games has been over 100..

And yet people still give him no credit.. That's all im saying

I just think all the haters are gonna continue to be haters.. And won't give credit when credit is due




?????????

Many of us have said Jackson has been playing solid.
Just because we haven't been calling him a future pro-bowler doesn't mean we're not giving him credit.



Wasn't talking about u my friend

And mostly it was last week

After 2 weeks in row he showed solid promise

I can see why some people could still think he wont be a good starter for us.. I however don't think so

MinnesotaFury
12-02-2007, 06:44 PM
Pros

TJack was money today.
Congrats to him on first 2TD game.
Great decision making and great use of legs.
He's turning into a skinny Culpepper.
Sidney Rice is looking more and more like Randy Moss.
I think we found our new KR in Aundre Allison.
Good job on the return.
Peterson and Taylor were used as a great 1-2 punch today, good job to Peterson in not disappointing on his return from injury.
Dline: Great pressure on Kitna today.
Really shined on the Udeze pick.
Pass Defense: Way to hold strong in the redzone.
Chilly: You are growing on me.
I loved the back to back trick plays, although I dont understand why it was so necessary to use them when we are up by 32.
I could get used to this whole, "Screw special teams, lets go for it" mindset.


Cons

The TJack interception left me scratching my head.
I don't know what he was going for, but I guess he's growing still.
Shaincoe was a real disappointment on the dropped TD pass.
No excuses when it hits you in both hands.
Griffin was getting schooled all day by Roy.
He got lucky on one that was an obvious pass interference on him.
Whoever forgot to bring tea to the get together they had during the challenge.
I hope Tarvaris isn't taking notes from Kitna...

LuckyVike
12-02-2007, 06:45 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"LuckyVike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


There it is.
You are so confident in saying Jackson WILL be a great NFL QB but I don't see what you base this on.
Yes, he has shown some improvement but an average game is improvement over how he was performing.
You think it's fine he can't win a game but if we enter a game where AD gets shut down, and that WILL happen, I'm not sure Jackson can lead us through the air.
Basing the future of this franchise on 3 games is a bit rash, IMO.



Im not basing it on three games

Im basing it on the improvment he has been making ever since he has came into the league

Im basing it on his pure talent

Im basing it on seeing the WHOLE team gel and seeing him get comfortable with it




Moderate improvement since entering the league doesn't show him to be a future pro-bowler.

His "pure talent" is easily debatable.
He is very athletic but the jury is still out on his talent at the QB position.
There's a good chance he will improve but to say for certain he will is unrealistic.

In the end, I hope Jackson is our future.
It would be great to not have to use another high draft pick on a QB for a while.
I don't see why any fan would hope otherwise but I'm just trying to keep things in perspective.

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 06:46 PM
"MinnesotaFury" wrote:


Pros

TJack was money today.
Congrats to him on first 2TD game.
Great decision making and great use of legs.
He's turning into a skinny Culpepper.
Sidney Rice is looking more and more like Randy Moss.
I think we found our new KR in Aundre Allison.
Good job on the return.
Peterson and Taylor were used as a great 1-2 punch today, good job to Peterson in not disappointing on his return from injury.
Dline: Great pressure on Kitna today.
Really shined on the Udeze pick.
Pass Defense: Way to hold strong in the redzone.
Chilly: You are growing on me.
I loved the back to back trick plays, although I dont understand why it was so necessary to use them when we are up by 32.
I could get used to this whole, "Screw special teams, lets go for it" mindset.


Cons

The TJack interception left me scratching my head.
I don't know what he was going for, but I guess he's growing still.
Shaincoe was a real disappointment on the dropped TD pass.
No excuses when it hits you in both hands.
Griffin was getting schooled all day by Roy.
He got lucky on one that was an obvious pass interference on him.
Whoever forgot to bring tea to the get together they had during the challenge.
I hope Tarvaris isn't taking notes from Kitna...


You know, for some reason I never noticed that you have the greatest football play ever on the bottom of your posts.
That game was the first one I ever saw in the dome.
;D

V4L
12-02-2007, 06:48 PM
"LuckyVike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"LuckyVike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:




Lucky

I don't think he needs to win a game.. His job is to manage

AP is our gamebreaker and leader

However if it did come down to T-Jack needing to lead us down the field for a game winner who knows what would happen?

We haven't been put in that situation yet really

But T-jack is definitley showing signs that he WILL be a great NFL Qb


MIGHT is the word you were looking for, i'm not exactly ready to put T-Jack in the Elway camp yet.



No he WILL be exciting and a great NFL QB

Not hall of fame status.. However he will be posting 2500-3200 yard 20 TD seasons and 500+ yards rushing

He has all the potential and I see it coming out


There it is.
You are so confident in saying Jackson WILL be a great NFL QB but I don't see what you base this on.
Yes, he has shown some improvement but an average game is improvement over how he was performing.
You think it's fine he can't win a game but if we enter a game where AD gets shut down, and that WILL happen, I'm not sure Jackson can lead us through the air.
Basing the future of this franchise on 3 games is a bit rash, IMO.



Im not basing it on three games

Im basing it on the improvment he has been making ever since he has came into the league

Im basing it on his pure talent

Im basing it on seeing the WHOLE team gel and seeing him get comfortable with it




Moderate improvement since entering the league doesn't show him to be a future pro-bowler.

His "pure talent" is easily debatable.
He is very athletic but the jury is still out on his talent at the QB position.
There's a good chance he will improve but to say for certain he will is unrealistic.

In the end, I hope Jackson is our future.
It would be great to not have to use another high draft pick on a QB for a while.
I don't see why any fan would hope otherwise but I'm just trying to keep things in perspective.



Don't blame ya

But I see him growing from his mistakes week after week

And him becoming more comfortable and poised

He has had some ups and downs.. Like his 4 int game.. But he is learning and showing that he doesn't let those things bother him and continues to grow into a good passer

Freya
12-02-2007, 06:49 PM
Gellin!

I would have liked to see at least one more score in the second half. It didn't have the same intensity and drive that the first half did.

Aside from that.......awesome game! My voice is gone and my throat hurts.

Caine
12-02-2007, 06:57 PM
Marrdro wrote:


Wow.......

How can you find fault with a performance like that. (I am sure somebody will though
;D)

Sure doesn't look like a team falling apart of having all the unhappy players in it that a writer alluded to with all his "Off the record" quotes/reporting.

Make no mistake, there were flaws and errors, but the Vikes didn't let any of them detract from their game, which is something we haven't seen a long time.
This is now the second "complete" game in a row.
I certainly hope they can sustain it.

Marrdro wrote:

QB.
INT by TJ was about the only flaw I could see in his performance.
Again, a pretty good job of managing the game, seeing the field and not making any major mistakes that would have cost us the game.
His passes were crisp, on target and on time.
Great looking touch pass on the lob to Rice that shows he is maybe getting a clue on that aspect.

The early sack wasn't a highlight, but the kid recovered.
I liked the way he showed willingness to run when those holes opened, and how he didn't force balls into bad spots.
The kid is finally showing some real improvement, and I'm glad to see it.
Now, let's see if he can maintain the positives and continue to progress.

Marrdro wrote:

Recievers.
Nice job by all.
Held on to some very hard throws by TJ.
Good blocking down field for the runners.
Loved to finally get to see Allison make some grabs and Rice, along with B-wade were clutch early and often.
Heck even Shank and Dugan caught a couple of nice ones.

Once we quit pretending that Williamson was a productive part of our receiver corps and started using Rice, Allison, and Wade more, we suddenly start looking like a "complete" team.
Imagine that.
Shiancoe had the ham-handed drop in the endzone (which you covered later), but other than that, I saw a lot of nice catches today.
Haven't seen that in awhile.

Marrdro wrote:

RB's.
Nothing more to say than outstanding effort.

Ditto.

Marrdro wrote:

OL.
Man do I like this group now.
Only saw 3 missed blocks and Herrera is a beast when he pulls.

The O-Line is really coming on strong.
They're finally getting to where they should have been at the mid point of last season.
Even McKinny is starting to look worth his contract.
Over all, I'm very pleased with the steps this particular group has taken, since they're the glue that holds it all together.

And NO FALSE STARTS TODAY!!!!

Marrdro wrote:

DL.
Finally got some pressure with our front 4 without alot of blitzing.
Nice to see, although alot of that could be attributed to the Offense getting them in a situation were the Lions were pretty much 1 dimensional.


The DE's were really making themselves felt today, something we haven't had a lot of in awhile.
That's going to be an important assett to have, especially since we've seen what happens when we don't have it.

Marrdro wrote:

Secondary.
Still need some work here but a good performance.
Kept everyone in front of them and other than the TD drive the Lions had, they didn't give up any big plays.

With as young as they are, I thought the CB's played very well.
I still wish Winfield was in there, but McCauley and Griffin played very well.
Even Whitaker contributed (although, I must admit, I did cringe a bit when I heard his name called.
Reflex.)

Marrdro wrote:

LB'rs.
Quiet day from this crowd but that is the way I like it.
Good job by all 3 keeping pressure when they did blitz and supporting the pass when the team was in thier zone coverage.

EJ laid a nice hit on Kitna.
Other than that, they did what they were supposed to do.
They played a solid game.
I'm liking this unit more and more.

Marrdro wrote:

ST's.
Touchdown by Allison and a nice fake/trick play at a key point in the game.

AMEN!!

Marrdro wrote:

Negatives. (Really have to knit pick here to find any
;D)

A few penalties that unfortunately blemished a stellar team performance.

ST.
The kickoff coverage seemed to let the Lions start with good Field position all game.
Nothing really bad about that but I sure was worried a couple of times.

Dropped catch in the End Zone by Shank.
Next play resulted in a pick.
Shank, you need to pull that ball in when you get a easy catch like that.
You can't let the defender knock it away.

Agreed.

Marrdro wrote:

AND THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE OF ALL.........

It will be quiet around PPO again this week as all the haters don't come around when the team wins.
I kindof miss them sometimes.

;D

No, we're still here.
Waiting for the hammer to fall.
But, at the end of the day, all we've wanted all along was for our team to play well...and for two weeks in a row they have done so completely (The "D" sort of slipped versus Oakland, otherwise it would be 3 in a row).

Now, if they can maintain this type of effort....

Caine

x-ray jeff
12-02-2007, 06:58 PM
"Freya" wrote:


Gellin!

I would have liked to see at least one more score in the second half. It didn't have the same intensity and drive that the first half did.

Aside from that.......awesome game! My voice is gone and my throat hurts.



I agree with your obsevation about the intensity in the second half. The Vikes did have the game well in hand, so I guess some dropoff is expected. Question for you Freya. Did you stay until the final gun? I noticed a lot of empty seats towards the end of the game. I suppose it is understandable considering the weather. It was still nice to see the remaining Vikings fans stand to cheer the team as the final seconds ticked away.

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 07:04 PM
"Caine" wrote:


Marrdro wrote:


Wow.......

How can you find fault with a performance like that. (I am sure somebody will though
;D)

Sure doesn't look like a team falling apart of having all the unhappy players in it that a writer alluded to with all his "Off the record" quotes/reporting.

Make no mistake, there were flaws and errors, but the Vikes didn't let any of them detract from their game, which is something we haven't seen a long time.
This is now the second "complete" game in a row.
I certainly hope they can sustain it.

Marrdro wrote:

QB.
INT by TJ was about the only flaw I could see in his performance.
Again, a pretty good job of managing the game, seeing the field and not making any major mistakes that would have cost us the game.
His passes were crisp, on target and on time.
Great looking touch pass on the lob to Rice that shows he is maybe getting a clue on that aspect.

The early sack wasn't a highlight, but the kid recovered.
I liked the way he showed willingness to run when those holes opened, and how he didn't force balls into bad spots.
The kid is finally showing some real improvement, and I'm glad to see it.
Now, let's see if he can maintain the positives and continue to progress.

Marrdro wrote:

Recievers.
Nice job by all.
Held on to some very hard throws by TJ.
Good blocking down field for the runners.
Loved to finally get to see Allison make some grabs and Rice, along with B-wade were clutch early and often.
Heck even Shank and Dugan caught a couple of nice ones.

Once we quit pretending that Williamson was a productive part of our receiver corps and started using Rice, Allison, and Wade more, we suddenly start looking like a "complete" team.
Imagine that.
Shiancoe had the ham-handed drop in the endzone (which you covered later), but other than that, I saw a lot of nice catches today.
Haven't seen that in awhile.

Marrdro wrote:

RB's.
Nothing more to say than outstanding effort.

Ditto.

Marrdro wrote:

OL.
Man do I like this group now.
Only saw 3 missed blocks and Herrera is a beast when he pulls.

The O-Line is really coming on strong.
They're finally getting to where they should have been at the mid point of last season.
Even McKinny is starting to look worth his contract.
Over all, I'm very pleased with the steps this particular group has taken, since they're the glue that holds it all together.

And NO FALSE STARTS TODAY!!!!

Marrdro wrote:

DL.
Finally got some pressure with our front 4 without alot of blitzing.
Nice to see, although alot of that could be attributed to the Offense getting them in a situation were the Lions were pretty much 1 dimensional.


The DE's were really making themselves felt today, something we haven't had a lot of in awhile.
That's going to be an important assett to have, especially since we've seen what happens when we don't have it.

Marrdro wrote:

Secondary.
Still need some work here but a good performance.
Kept everyone in front of them and other than the TD drive the Lions had, they didn't give up any big plays.

With as young as they are, I thought the CB's played very well.
I still wish Winfield was in there, but McCauley and Griffin played very well.
Even Whitaker contributed (although, I must admit, I did cringe a bit when I heard his name called.
Reflex.)

Marrdro wrote:

LB'rs.
Quiet day from this crowd but that is the way I like it.
Good job by all 3 keeping pressure when they did blitz and supporting the pass when the team was in thier zone coverage.

EJ laid a nice hit on Kitna.
Other than that, they did what they were supposed to do.
They played a solid game.
I'm liking this unit more and more.

Marrdro wrote:

ST's.
Touchdown by Allison and a nice fake/trick play at a key point in the game.

AMEN!!

Marrdro wrote:

Negatives. (Really have to knit pick here to find any
;D)

A few penalties that unfortunately blemished a stellar team performance.

ST.
The kickoff coverage seemed to let the Lions start with good Field position all game.
Nothing really bad about that but I sure was worried a couple of times.

Dropped catch in the End Zone by Shank.
Next play resulted in a pick.
Shank, you need to pull that ball in when you get a easy catch like that.
You can't let the defender knock it away.

Agreed.

Marrdro wrote:

AND THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE OF ALL.........

It will be quiet around PPO again this week as all the haters don't come around when the team wins.
I kindof miss them sometimes.

;D

No, we're still here.
Waiting for the hammer to fall.
But, at the end of the day, all we've wanted all along was for our team to play well...and for two weeks in a row they have done so completely (The "D" sort of slipped versus Oakland, otherwise it would be 3 in a row).

Now, if they can maintain this type of effort....

Caine


As always my friend.
Solid post.
You are never classified (in my book) as a hater.
In fact, you, have caused me to change my opinion on a couple of my stances.
;D

As for the bolded area.........

Highs and lows my friend, highs and lows.


The experience level of this team is getting there and they are executing what is taught.
The players will (I assume) still make a few mistakes and the hammer will fall, however, they (the players) deserve most of the credit these last 3 games.

Lets hope the hammer doesn't come down to hard on them when the make a mistake.

Again, Very solid post.

Freya
12-02-2007, 07:07 PM
"x-ray" wrote:


"Freya" wrote:


Gellin!

I would have liked to see at least one more score in the second half. It didn't have the same intensity and drive that the first half did.

Aside from that.......awesome game! My voice is gone and my throat hurts.



I agree with your obsevation about the intensity in the second half. The Vikes did have the game well in hand, so I guess some dropoff is expected. Question for you Freya. Did you stay until the final gun? I noticed a lot of empty seats towards the end of the game. I suppose it is understandable considering the weather. It was still nice to see the remaining Vikings fans stand to cheer the team as the final seconds ticked away.


I was not at the game. If I had been, I would have most certainly be there until the last second ticked off the clock. I hate to miss even one minute of Viking football, whether the game is in the bag or really stinks. I thought it was hysterical that Rice needed a ride to the game, having never seen snow or ice before. Welcome to Minnesota!!! ;D

V4L
12-02-2007, 07:09 PM
"Freya" wrote:


"x-ray" wrote:


"Freya" wrote:


Gellin!

I would have liked to see at least one more score in the second half. It didn't have the same intensity and drive that the first half did.

Aside from that.......awesome game! My voice is gone and my throat hurts.



I agree with your obsevation about the intensity in the second half. The Vikes did have the game well in hand, so I guess some dropoff is expected. Question for you Freya. Did you stay until the final gun? I noticed a lot of empty seats towards the end of the game. I suppose it is understandable considering the weather. It was still nice to see the remaining Vikings fans stand to cheer the team as the final seconds ticked away.


I was not at the game. If I had been, I would have most certainly be there until the last second ticked off the clock. I hate to miss even one minute of Viking football, whether the game is in the bag or really stinks. I thought it was hysterical that Rice needed a ride to the game, having never seen snow or ice before. Welcome to Minnesota!!! ;D


Ditto.. I never leave early.. I thought it was funny like 50 percent of the fans left when AP broke the record

But I find that hysterical about Rice as well haha.. Where did u hear about that?

BadlandsVikings
12-02-2007, 07:11 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Freya" wrote:


"x-ray" wrote:


"Freya" wrote:


Gellin!

I would have liked to see at least one more score in the second half. It didn't have the same intensity and drive that the first half did.

Aside from that.......awesome game! My voice is gone and my throat hurts.



I agree with your obsevation about the intensity in the second half. The Vikes did have the game well in hand, so I guess some dropoff is expected. Question for you Freya. Did you stay until the final gun? I noticed a lot of empty seats towards the end of the game. I suppose it is understandable considering the weather. It was still nice to see the remaining Vikings fans stand to cheer the team as the final seconds ticked away.


I was not at the game. If I had been, I would have most certainly be there until the last second ticked off the clock. I hate to miss even one minute of Viking football, whether the game is in the bag or really stinks. I thought it was hysterical that Rice needed a ride to the game, having never seen snow or ice before. Welcome to Minnesota!!! ;D


Ditto.. I never leave early.. I thought it was funny like 50 percent of the fans left when AP broke the record

But I find that hysterical about Rice as well haha.. Where did u hear about that?


Baldinger and Stockton were talking about it after the TD

V4L
12-02-2007, 07:12 PM
Oh I must have missed that

That's funny thought..

The weather was horrible.. Wonder if they all had trouble with the traffic and weather around there

jargomcfargo
12-02-2007, 07:26 PM
Schiancoe had the ball knocked out of his hands. Just to set the record straight.

MinnesotaFury
12-02-2007, 07:35 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Schiancoe had the ball knocked out of his hands. Just to set the record straight.


Still, he had 2 hands on it, he should've held on.

V-Unit
12-02-2007, 07:36 PM
QB: TJ had a great game. That is the first time we can say that, which alone is a great thing. Even moreso than stats, there was poise in the pocket, multiple reads, smart decisions (checkdowns, throwing the ball away), scrambling for first downs, pump fakes, spreading the ball to 9 different receivers...was that really TJ?

RB: Injury is the only thing that can stop Adrian Peterson. I try not to take the guy for granted, but he is so unbelievably good that I'm already getting used to it. I have never seen a back turn the corner as well as AD does. Once on the inside run that fell apart, that he patched back together by taking it outside for an 8 yard gain. Again on the toss. I mean, who even runs the toss any more? You can't because NFL LBs are too fast these days. But wait, AD can!

I loved Chester's performance even more. People saying trade the guy are crazy. It's ashame that he got injured, because otherwise he would be on pace for another 1,000 yard season. Chester is legit, real legit. A consistent workhorse bruiser who is vastly underappreciated. We ran the ball 34 times and never fumbled. Awesome.

WR:Bobby Wade put together another solid game, and Sidney Rice is growing very quickly. Also, you gotta love Allison getting open too. No dropped passes and the great run blocking from this group also continued. You would have to think that Williamson will never be more than a 3rd receiver in Minny.

OL: Their best overall game to date. I cursed Cook, zero times this game. That was partly because TJ was stepping up and Bevell was calling plays to get rid of the ball quickly. Several times when TJ had all day to throw. Several moments where huge running lanes were made.

The West Coast Offense was in full effect today. We still set up the pass with the run, but lots of slants, a screen pass, a swing pass. I loved it. We just consistently moved the ball, ate up the clock, and punched it in for 7 again and again and again. There were some playcalls I disagreed with, but very little.

DL: Pressure baby! Lots of hits and errant throws were made. They were needed, but Kitna did well when he had the time to throw. Also, it is so awesome to have a team run 2 times in a half because they fear your run defense so much. 23 yards rushing allowed is really amazing.

LB: I for one thought they had an extremely quiet game other than Henderson. Blitzes were working, but hell, did Greenway even play? I know he had no tackles,
but I don't recall seeing him on the field. Henderson is everything we needed him to be this year. I'm glad he is making the most of this, because it looked like he wouldn't pan out a couple years ago.

DB: With Winfield still a no go, Griffin was being picked on again for sure. IMO he is just overmatched and it makes him look worse than he really is. He is just going to need some more time. He was close on some plays and made good tackles on others. Sharper and Smith also didn't have loud games. To be honest, I'm sumprised our young CBs did this well in Winfield's absence. Gordon is a great dimeback.

The Defense really didn't have many standout performances. They played well as a unit, and simply got the job done, like they have all season.

ST: V during Allison KR: "Where are you going? Why are you going? We're going! We're going! Damn he aint going. He's gone!"

The fake was like taking candy from a baby.

Notes:
- Did I mention TJ's accuracy? It was honestly very impressive.
- I called the jump ball to Rice. Touchdown baby.
- Amazing rookie coming out party. I was waiting for McCauley to get a pick and Robison to get a sack.
- As good as Rice is, he was blanketed on that deep shot. Oh well.
- As good as TJ was, that INT was pretty bad. Right to the guy. Who was he trying to throw it to?
- Fake FG? RB pass while up by 42? We were toying with them!
- By my count, Williamson, Greenway, and Winfield all missed the game. We could be plain scary when they come back.
- Sportwriters and commentators around the nation are jumping on the bandwagon.

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 07:37 PM
"MinnesotaFury" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Schiancoe had the ball knocked out of his hands. Just to set the record straight.


Still, he had 2 hands on it, he should've held on.

He should have actually pulled it into his chest and covered it.
I assume that is what the Chiller was giving guidance on when he was talking to him after the series.
;D

Marrdro
12-02-2007, 07:43 PM
"V" wrote:


QB: TJ had a great game. That is the first time we can say that, which alone is a great thing. Even moreso than stats, there was poise in the pocket, multiple reads, smart decisions (checkdowns, throwing the ball away), scrambling for first downs, pump fakes, spreading the ball to 9 different receivers...was that really TJ?

RB: Injury is the only thing that can stop Adrian Peterson. I try not to take the guy for granted, but he is so unbelievably good that I'm already getting used to it. I have never seen a back turn the corner as well as AD does. Once on the inside run that fell apart, that he patched back together by taking it outside for an 8 yard gain. Again on the toss. I mean, who even runs the toss any more? You can't because NFL LBs are too fast these days. But wait, AD can!

I loved Chester's performance even more. People saying trade the guy are crazy. It's ashame that he got injured, because otherwise he would be on pace for another 1,000 yard season. Chester is legit, real legit. A consistent workhorse bruiser who is vastly underappreciated. We ran the ball 34 times and never fumbled. Awesome.

WR:Bobby Wade put together another solid game, and Sidney Rice is growing very quickly. Also, you gotta love Allison getting open too. No dropped passes and the great run blocking from this group also continued. You would have to think that Williamson will never be more than a 3rd receiver in Minny.

OL: Their best overall game to date. I cursed Cook, zero times this game. That was partly because TJ was stepping up and Bevell was calling plays to get rid of the ball quickly. Several times when TJ had all day to throw. Several moments where huge running lanes were made.

The West Coast Offense was in full effect today. We still set up the pass with the run, but lots of slants, a screen pass, a swing pass. I loved it. We just consistently moved the ball, ate up the clock, and punched it in for 7 again and again and again. There were some playcalls I disagreed with, but very little.

DL: Pressure baby! Lots of hits and errant throws were made. They were needed, but Kitna did well when he had the time to throw. Also, it is so awesome to have a team run 2 times in a half because they fear your run defense so much. 23 yards rushing allowed is really amazing.

LB: I for one thought they had an extremely quiet game other than Henderson. Blitzes were working, but hell, did Greenway even play? I know he had no tackles,
but I don't recall seeing him on the field. Henderson is everything we needed him to be this year. I'm glad he is making the most of this, because it looked like he wouldn't pan out a couple years ago.

DB: With Winfield still a no go, Griffin was being picked on again for sure. IMO he is just overmatched and it makes him look worse than he really is. He is just going to need some more time. He was close on some plays and made good tackles on others. Sharper and Smith also didn't have loud games. To be honest, I'm sumprised our young CBs did this well in Winfield's absence. Gordon is a great dimeback.

The Defense really didn't have many standout performances. They played well as a unit, and simply got the job done, like they have all season.

ST: V during Allison KR: "Where are you going? Why are you going? We're going! We're going! gol 'darnit he aint going. He's gone!"

The fake was like taking candy from a baby.

Notes:
- Did I mention TJ's accuracy? It was honestly very impressive.
- I called the jump ball to Rice. Touchdown baby.
- Amazing rookie coming out party. I was waiting for McCauley to get a pick and Robison to get a sack.
- As good as Rice is, he was blanketed on that deep shot. Oh well.
- As good as TJ was, that INT was pretty bad. Right to the guy. Who was he trying to throw it to?
- Fake FG? RB pass while up by 42? We were toying with them!
- By my count, Williamson, Greenway, and Winfield all missed the game. We could be plain scary when they come back.
- Sportwriters and commentators around the nation are jumping on the bandwagon.



Very nice my friend.
Very nice indeed.
Heck I'll even let the "Setup the pass with the run"
comment slide after that one.
;D

IBleedPurple11
12-02-2007, 07:56 PM
Wow, What A Game!
;D ;D ;D

Hell of a game by TJ. He was hitting the recievers at the right time. Had good pocket presence and I love that he is ready to run when he has too, He just needs t make sure he slide, we dont need Bollinger or Holcomb coming back in.

Adrian Peterson had a bomb game, Crazy that he just came back from an injury, He was breakin ankles and taking names ust like before the injury. A few times a was worried when he was high skippin on poeple but it worked out good.

Offensive line blocked great today Herera was a beast.

FAKE FIELD GOAL UP BY 32?? Hell yah
LOVED
that play. To bad it ended in an interception. Bad throw but T-jac but he played great beside that.

Back to that play, Shiancoe, you gotta hold on to that, I know the reicever got a hand on it but Shiancoe had 2 hands on it 1st.

CT, Man do I like having this guy as a back up. Hope we keep this combe next year as well.

Sidney Rice, He is finally backing up all the shit I have been saying abot him. I knew he was a badasss right when we drafted him.

Allison! Great Return, Awesome stiff arm, Great speed....Also, had a couple catches too - good to see.

We got the 49ers next! WE are gonna smash them!

Vikes_King
12-02-2007, 08:08 PM
"IBleedPurple28" wrote:


Wow, What A Game!

;D ;D ;D

Hell of a game by TJ. He was hitting the recievers at the right time. Had good pocket presence and I love that he is ready to run when he has too, He just needs t make sure he slide, we dont need Bollinger or Holcomb coming back in.

Adrian Peterson had a bomb game, Crazy that he just came back from an injury, He was breakin ankles and taking names ust like before the injury. A few times a was worried when he was high skippin on poeple but it worked out good.

Offensive line blocked great today Herera was a beast.

FAKE FIELD GOAL UP BY 32?? Hell yah
LOVED
that play. To bad it ended in an interception. Bad throw but T-jac but he played great beside that.

Back to that play, Shiancoe, you gotta hold on to that, I know the reicever got a hand on it but Shiancoe had 2 hands on it 1st.

CT, Man do I like having this guy as a back up. Hope we keep this combe next year as well.

Sidney Rice, He is finally backing up all the shit I have been saying abot him. I knew he was a badasss right when we drafted him.

Allison! Great Return, Awesome stiff arm, Great speed....Also, had a couple catches too - good to see.

We got the 49ers next! WE are gonna smash them!



I'm so excited for that game now.
Putting 42 up against the Lions & 41 up against the Giants.. the Panthers put up 31 vs the niners.. if they can put up that much, i expect at least 30 from
us also
;D

Braddock
12-02-2007, 08:13 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"IBleedPurple28" wrote:


Wow, What A Game!
;D ;D ;D

Hell of a game by TJ. He was hitting the recievers at the right time. Had good pocket presence and I love that he is ready to run when he has too, He just needs t make sure he slide, we dont need Bollinger or Holcomb coming back in.

Adrian Peterson had a bomb game, Crazy that he just came back from an injury, He was breakin ankles and taking names ust like before the injury. A few times a was worried when he was high skippin on poeple but it worked out good.

Offensive line blocked great today Herera was a beast.

FAKE FIELD GOAL UP BY 32?? Hell yah
LOVED
that play. To bad it ended in an interception. Bad throw but T-jac but he played great beside that.

Back to that play, Shiancoe, you gotta hold on to that, I know the reicever got a hand on it but Shiancoe had 2 hands on it 1st.

CT, Man do I like having this guy as a back up. Hope we keep this combe next year as well.

Sidney Rice, He is finally backing up all the shit I have been saying abot him. I knew he was a badasss right when we drafted him.

Allison! Great Return, Awesome stiff arm, Great speed....Also, had a couple catches too - good to see.

We got the 49ers next! WE are gonna smash them!



I'm so excited for that game now.
Putting 42 up against the Lions & 41 up against the Giants.. the Panthers put up 31 vs the niners.. if they can put up that much, i expect at least 30 from
us also
;D


All i need is 21. Whenever we are over 20 pts. we are undefeated. so 21's good enough for me.

IBleedPurple11
12-02-2007, 08:20 PM
All the 49ers have is Frank Gore. We stop him and it's over. With our rush DEF we can easily beat them....

NYVikingFan
12-02-2007, 08:20 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:



I'm so excited for that game now.
Putting 42 up against the Lions & 41 up against the Giants.. the Panthers put up 31 vs the niners.. if they can put up that much, i expect at least 30 from
us also
;D


The entire team and coaching staff were kicking on all cylinders today.

I can't wait for next Sunday.
I will be at Monster Park cheering loudly for our Vikes.
Hope they can keep up the excellent ball play.

Vikes_King
12-02-2007, 08:21 PM
"Braddock" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"IBleedPurple28" wrote:


Wow, What A Game!

;D ;D ;D

Hell of a game by TJ. He was hitting the recievers at the right time. Had good pocket presence and I love that he is ready to run when he has too, He just needs t make sure he slide, we dont need Bollinger or Holcomb coming back in.

Adrian Peterson had a bomb game, Crazy that he just came back from an injury, He was breakin ankles and taking names ust like before the injury. A few times a was worried when he was high skippin on poeple but it worked out good.

Offensive line blocked great today Herera was a beast.

FAKE FIELD GOAL UP BY 32?? Hell yah
LOVED
that play. To bad it ended in an interception. Bad throw but T-jac but he played great beside that.

Back to that play, Shiancoe, you gotta hold on to that, I know the reicever got a hand on it but Shiancoe had 2 hands on it 1st.

CT, Man do I like having this guy as a back up. Hope we keep this combe next year as well.

Sidney Rice, He is finally backing up all the shit I have been saying abot him. I knew he was a badasss right when we drafted him.

Allison! Great Return, Awesome stiff arm, Great speed....Also, had a couple catches too - good to see.

We got the 49ers next! WE are gonna smash them!



I'm so excited for that game now.
Putting 42 up against the Lions & 41 up against the Giants.. the Panthers put up 31 vs the niners.. if they can put up that much, i expect at least 30 from
us also
;D


All i need is 21. Whenever we are over 20 pts. we are undefeated. so 21's good enough for me.


Very true, only stat i really care about is the W.
But i don't mind seeing the other ones either
;)

vikesfargo
12-02-2007, 08:23 PM
In Shiancoe's defense, they only show the replay in slow motion. The Lions LB that came in put his mitt directly on the pull and punched it out of there full force before Shiancoe had a chance to haul it in. I would have liked to have seen him catch it, but that is not going to always happen when the defender makes such a big league play.

Secondly, on a halfback pass there shouldn't be any defenders nearby. The receiver should be wide open. Defenders got close enough to rip the ball out. This leads me to think that Childress and Bevell are going to the halfback pass well too often. It's once or more a game now. Mix it up with some double reverses or fake statue of liberties of something.

i_bleed_purple
12-02-2007, 08:26 PM
All the 49ers have is Frank Gore. We stop him and it's over. With our rush DEF we can easily beat them....

I liked how in one of the pregame shows they were analyzing the 49er game this week and someone said the only way they win is by running frank gore 45 times, dont let alex smith throw a pass, just run.

huxx
12-02-2007, 08:37 PM
"NYVikingFan" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:



I'm so excited for that game now.
Putting 42 up against the Lions & 41 up against the Giants.. the Panthers put up 31 vs the niners.. if they can put up that much, i expect at least 30 from
us also
;D


The entire team and coaching staff were kicking on all cylinders today.

I can't wait for next Sunday.
I will be at Monster Park cheering loudly for our Vikes.
Hope they can keep up the excellent ball play.




I've been saying it in chat during the games...the coaches and players are finally gelling.
Everyone's looking comfortable;
we're not quite there yet, but we're making a nice statement right now...too bad this isn't the start of the season.

IBleedPurple11
12-02-2007, 08:52 PM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


In Shiancoe's defense, they only show the replay in slow motion. The Lions LB that came in put his mitt directly on the pull and punched it out of there full force before Shiancoe had a chance to haul it in. I would have liked to have seen him catch it, but that is not going to always happen when the defender makes such a big league play.

Secondly, on a halfback pass there shouldn't be any defenders nearby. The receiver should be wide open. Defenders got close enough to rip the ball out. This leads me to think that Childress and Bevell are going to the halfback pass well too often. It's once or more a game now. Mix it up with some double reverses or fake statue of liberties of something.


Vikings pay him to make that catch, He had 2 hands on it before the defender got his hand in there.

And for a half back pass, that was a great throw. Wide oped or not he had his hands on the ball. If the defender knocked it away before he had 2 hands on it then that would be a different story.

Great play of defense though to muscle that out with only one hand.

BigMoInAZ
12-02-2007, 10:29 PM
FINALLY!!!
ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!! 28 games late, but finally a job well done by the entire TEAM!
Yes, including that bald-headed douchebag major dad!

AFT TOO!!!!

And Shiancoe got biatch slapped in the end zone which led to TJacks only TO for the day, so I blame Shiancoe for that little blemish!

This was the most impressed I have been with the Brad Childress led Vikings.
Now lets hope he can keep them focused and on edge cause they face a trap game in San Fran much like they did last season when things went down hill for the Chili picker!

One can only hope there isn't a repeat in order for Chili as he leads his team for the first time on a 3 game winning streak and the most consistent level of play on both sides of the ball during his coaching tenure w/the Vikings!

SKOL Vikings!

jargomcfargo
12-02-2007, 10:33 PM
"MinnesotaFury" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


Schiancoe had the ball knocked out of his hands. Just to set the record straight.


Still, he had 2 hands on it, he should've held on.


Are you kidding me? watch it again. ::)

sniggledorf
12-02-2007, 10:34 PM
Before the first preseason game, I bought one of those $100+ official Tarvaris Jackson jerseys.
I wanted to say I was a believer from the start.

After a few brutal games, I was ashamed to be seen in it, so I buried it deep within my closet where nobody would ever find it.

Today...for the first time in weeks, I went into my closet, found the jersey hanging there looking neglected and abandoned, and with tears in my eyes, I pulled it over my head and felt proud - PROUD to own a Tarvaris Jackson jersey!


He's starting to earn the ACTION Jackson moniker.


I'm having a hard time recalling a better performance by the Vikings (they beat the Jaguars 50 to 10 in 1998, but the Jaguars had a 3rd string quarterback, Jonathon Quinn, starting and made a lot of mistakes).
I really hope Childress is the coach a lot of us thought he wasn't.
If he continues to prove his doubters wrong, and turns us into contenders, credit Ziggi for sticking by him throughout the controversial decisions and heavy criticism.
I'm reserving my judgment until we see the outcome of this playoff push, but I hope I was wrong about him, because I really don't want to go through the process of bringing in a new coach, learning a new system, rebuilding, etc.

hx38596
12-02-2007, 10:37 PM
I thought this quote was pretty funny...

Lions linebacker Boss Bailey, on how hard it was to stop Vikings running back Adrian Peterson:
“It shouldn’t have been as hard as we made it, I’ll tell you that.”

For the guys that went to the game...
How loud was that collision when AD ran in the middle and Sims (LB #50) collided with him??


He then laid his fat jiggly butt on him for a bit trying to talk crap I'm sure.
I think Sims thought he made a big hit, but when he sees the tape, he'll see he was on the wrong side of that hit.

Then he stood up and had to look up to AD while still talking crap.
That's funny the short LB has to look up to an RB, that doesn't happen very often.
The roster has Sims at 6' 0', but i think it's more like 5' 10 or 11'.

Big C
12-02-2007, 11:03 PM
Totally awesome game! It's really nice to see TJ mature and keep the offense ticking. I've said it before and I'l say it again. I have no idea why we have Troy return kickoffs instead of Allison. He has made some great returns when given the chance.

Nice job all around. Kudos to coaching staff. AP is back BABY!!!

jkjuggalo
12-02-2007, 11:18 PM
Wow, how great is it that we get to enjoy football in December this year?
I do not remember having confidence in the Vikings making the playoffs at this point of the season in a long while.
Here is my take on the terrific winning streak:

TJack- Really coming into his own.
I believe that he is getting his confidence up and making good decisions with conviction.
He is running when it is not there downfield.
He is making nice throws into some tight windows.
I'm really loving his progression the last three games.
For those of you that say "I still want to see more."
Besides taking us to the playoffs, what else do you want to see?
He is not going to consistently be a 250-300 yard passer because our offense is predicated on the running game.
If TJack continues to play at the level he has been playing at the past few games, we will not be drafting a QB on the first day...which is great news.

RBs- Just amazing.
TRich and the Sauce w/ excellent blocking.
The announcer said you could hear the crowd holding their collective breaths whenever AD got the ball w/ space.
That about sums it up.

OL- Vastly improved from the first half of the season.
Cook is becoming a nice RT.

WRs- Sorry Troy, but you are likely losing some money next year.
Allison has proven that he is better at returning kicks this year and I'm guessing will make more catches than you next season.
You are not worth the salary.
Everyone else played solid.

TEs- Blocked alright, but you have to make some catches for our offense too...ahem, Shiancoe.

DL- Kenechi is having a nice little season.
Edwards w/ the assist on the pick.
Good pressure up front, but I'd like to see some sacks early in the game too.

LBs- Cannot remember a more solid LB corps in recent years.

DBs- Comparatively forgettable, like the majority of the games, but they made enough plays to hold the Lions to 10 points.
Very good game if you consider how young the corners are.

ST- Bad coverage on kickoffs half the game led to scary drives by the Lions.
AA w/ longest return in Vikings history.
Dare I say Childress' tenure should be called the record-breaking era?

Coaching- Give them their just desserts here.
Best all-around performance of the millinium by a Vikings squad.

If we had just won a couple of the games we should have won early in the season (@Detroit/@KC), we would be in the driver's seat instead of the Giants.
I hope the team does not squander an opportunity to seize the wheel in the chase for the playoffs against SF and Chicago in the next two weeks.
Both teams will be tenacious and desperate.

GO VIKES!!!

Braddock
12-02-2007, 11:19 PM
Man, the weather sure seems fair...... is that why we have so many vacationers around here today?

happy camper
12-02-2007, 11:21 PM
I can't believe we are on this winning streak mostly without Adrian Peterson and Antoine Winfield.

Please come back Antoine.

kevoncox
12-02-2007, 11:23 PM
fair weather lol
I get it. ;D

jessejames09
12-02-2007, 11:24 PM
I yell at my TV every time i see erasmus in there. Robison and Edwards are much better pass rushers and James was drafted to do just that.

MaxVike
12-02-2007, 11:32 PM
Great game men!

Great gameplan Chilly...on both sides of the ball, and Special Teams.

AD - man, is he fun to watch!
What a warrior.

Chester Taylor - pro's pro, what a luxury to have a player like him, I can only imagine what a great teammate he is.

O-Line - good job boys.
Quite a push:
the Lions have a good D-Line, our guys mauled them the entire game.

TJack - good game.
I wanted to see a game with about 25 throws...kid has game.
I remain cautiously optimistic.
Particularly liked the TD pass to Wade, went through his progressions, sensed the pressure, then through a laser.
Also like that he is running a little more; it's important that he continue it...but, slide young man, slide.

WR's - Sidney just keeps getting better.
Wade can play the slot, no question.
Allison plays with significant intensity, he has alot of promise.

DL - consistent pressure...man, Kitna is tough.
They pounded him all day.
Can't run on these guys.
Childress made the right decision to activate 5 DE's.

LB - Played well, but, I expect them to.


DB - kept everything in front of them for the most part.
Impressive tackling display.


ST - Aundray Allison is 10 times better than Troy Williamson at returning kicks.
He looks like a better WR too.

Rookies - I've said it many times.
I truly believe this class has the potential to be the best class in Vikings history.
Time will tell, but, they are a major reason this team is playing better as the season progresses.
Yes, all parts are playing better, But, these rooks give us a big reason to be optimistic.

CanuckVike
12-02-2007, 11:41 PM
Like all of
you, I agree this was the most complete game the team has played in the last3-4 years!
I have been pretty disappointed in the play at QB and the defense as far as pressuring the opponent's QB on passing situations, but today...well it looked like a completely different team out there...I had to pinch myself a few times!

All I can say is this is the best Christmas present I could ask for! ...actually being in the playoff hunt...attaining .500 when things looked so dismal 3-4 weeks ago and of course, just being able to see AD at work...it's such a treat to see one of the league's best ever talents wearing purple and gold.

Even though we're a long way from winning it all we're a lot better off than a lot of teams and with Tjack improving so much today (which has really surprised me) and all our rookies playing so well, it's more than I would of thought possible!
It sure gives us a lot of hope...serious hope for a bright future!

Merry Christmas everyone!...we got a great present 3 weeks early with today's victory!
Hope we slam the Niners next Sunday!

PurplePowerPunch
12-03-2007, 12:23 AM
What a game! AD 2 tds, Chester had one, and a kick return for Allison. Defense was great too. 3 sacks, Udeze with a pick, and held the Lions to 23 yards on the ground.

Can T-Jack get some respect around here now guys. The guy had a great game, and he looks more relaxed in the pocket. Nice way to stay in there and find Wade for the goal-line score T-Jack.

Playoffs here we come!

langshan
12-03-2007, 12:26 AM
I was working and missed the game, but watched some of the highlights.
Taking it one game at a time. 4 games left.
Go Vikes.


Mike in North Carolina

UTVikfan
12-03-2007, 12:30 AM
Incredible job on both sides of the ball. Insane, really.

OLine and DLine: Complete and total domintation. Kitna got rid of it fast, if he had held it half a second more, WJustice is all that comes to mind.
TJ: He has all the physical stuff, and showed the mental is coming. Throwing lasers, going through his reads, stepping up at the right time, ...all around good to see. One bad decision.
I will take that from a youngin'. WTG!
Secondary: Great job, tackles, kept it all in front. Only one TD from a potent Lions passing game. It won't show up on the stats sheet, but, considering who we played they did incredible.
Coaching: Wow! The team was indeed prepared and executed.
ST: Detroits returns scared me, BUT, they did tackle them. WTG, AAllison!

Its so wonderful to be in the playoff hunt. I hold my breath yelling "SLIDE" everytime TJ runs, but, he is good. AD? Hahhaha, wow.WOW!CTaylor WOW! too. 2 1/2 games off and someone sharing carries leads the league in rushing? OLine should ALL (cook included) be in the probowl. I am still in shock and hope I stay there til Jan. =D.

C Mac D
12-03-2007, 12:38 AM
"UTVikfan" wrote:


Incredible job on both sides of the ball. Insane, really.

OLine and DLine: Complete and total domintation. Kitna got rid of it fast, if he had held it half a second more, WJustice is all that comes to mind.
TJ: He has all the physical stuff, and showed the mental is coming. Throwing lasers, going through his reads, stepping up at the right time, ...all around good to see. One bad decision.
I will take that from a youngin'. WTG!
Secondary: Great job, tackles, kept it all in front. Only one TD from a potent Lions passing game. It won't show up on the stats sheet, but, considering who we played they did incredible.
Coaching: Wow! The team was indeed prepared and executed.
ST: Detroits returns scared me, BUT, they did tackle them. WTG, AAllison!

Its so wonderful to be in the playoff hunt. I hold my breath yelling "SLIDE" everytime TJ runs, but, he is good. AD? Hahhaha, wow.WOW!CTaylor WOW! too. 2 1/2 games off and someone sharing carries leads the league in rushing? OLine should ALL (cook included) be in the probowl. I am still in shock and hope I stay there til Jan. =D.

Hell Yeah it is!!!! It's a great time to be a Vikes fan my friends. Should be an exciting December.

PurplePowerPunch
12-03-2007, 12:41 AM
"UTVikfan" wrote:


Incredible job on both sides of the ball. Insane, really.

OLine and DLine: Complete and total domintation. Kitna got rid of it fast, if he had held it half a second more, WJustice is all that comes to mind.
TJ: He has all the physical stuff, and showed the mental is coming. Throwing lasers, going through his reads, stepping up at the right time, ...all around good to see. One bad decision.
I will take that from a youngin'. WTG!
Secondary: Great job, tackles, kept it all in front. Only one TD from a potent Lions passing game. It won't show up on the stats sheet, but, considering who we played they did incredible.
Coaching: Wow! The team was indeed prepared and executed.
ST: Detroits returns scared me, BUT, they did tackle them. WTG, AAllison!

Its so wonderful to be in the playoff hunt. I hold my breath yelling "SLIDE" everytime TJ runs, but, he is good. AD? Hahhaha, wow.WOW!CTaylor WOW! too. 2 1/2 games off and someone sharing carries leads the league in rushing? OLine should ALL (cook included) be in the probowl. I am still in shock and hope I stay there til Jan. =D.


Yeah, and we still manage to get 3 sacks. Robinson and Edwards should be starting for us.

Vinland
12-03-2007, 12:43 AM
I am not washing my fuzzy purple Vikings socks as long as they keep winning!!!

PurplePowerPunch
12-03-2007, 12:48 AM
"Vinland" wrote:


I am not washing my fuzzy purple Vikings socks as long as they keep winning!!!


NICE!!!

michaelmazid
12-03-2007, 12:50 AM
ALL I GOT TO SAY IS THAT AP IS THA MAN!!!!!

Vikes_King
12-03-2007, 03:20 AM
Teams made their fair share of statements in Week 13 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=A2CF6EF286DF86F523D853FCACFDEABF?id=09000d5d804bd6bc&template=with-video&confirm=true)


"Move aside, because we're coming through!"

The Minnesota Vikings said that with their 42-10 pounding of the Detroit Lions. They were, in fact, speaking directly to the Lions, whose free fall has reached four consecutive losses. Meanwhile, the Vikings have won three in a row to improve to 6-6, same as the Lions. But these NFC North teams clearly are headed in different directions.

El Vikingo
12-03-2007, 05:23 AM
I know is a little hard to make some points after the yesterday´s game but here are .

1.Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

digital420
12-03-2007, 05:40 AM
WoW!!

i'm sure many people believed after the GB game that there would be 3 following weeks where in Vikes games the Vikes would score more then 20 points,
That the Vikes would have 40+ points vs NYG, and the explosive Detroit kitties..

D wise..
ok we all know that we can hold a rushing game to little or nothing.. but.. littleManning, Kitna.. looked like scared deer in headlights.. and Tjack rose to a QB level beyond his experience!!

(btw.. for all the Tjack haters/doubters/plain naye sayers.. TJack is 6-2 as a starter, improving every game, and begining to look like the O leader that we need him to be!!

any1 see that HIT that thack laid out when the ball got picked off in the endzone?
man.. i bet that felt funny..


What more can be said about AP + CT.. what a combination.. there is no way a D can hold both.. and it seems that they are unable to stop either.. this will just help our Pass game more and more.. as they continue to TRY and contain the run.. Tjack and his ACCURATE!! passing will get those small dinks/dunks and set up those long balls.


blocking.. what a job by every1.. OL,. TE's, RB's, WR's.. everyone is doing such a GREAT job!! be it blocks for runs, or setting up trick plays.. it's selling to the team and the players are buying in!!

Great job by the OL to enforce their will on the kittens OL, moved them on most plays at least 1 - 2 steps away from where they wanted to go!.

in the first half.. we were 100% scoring drives.. great game all 2gether by the O!!

\
D time!!

another.. WoW!!!
stopped the run.. except for those bonus yards we gave up on the last 2 plays of the kittens.. they had 1 yard rushing.. 1..
i saw the stats say.. 214 Vikes... /
1 Detroit..


i bet they called the run plays so as not to be remembered as having 1 yard gained..
:o

CB's.. what a game to step up.. AW is out still.. and our rookies came in with a big monkey on their shoulders.. Great job!!
the front 4.. man are they mean!! at one point i heard someone say.. "You can run on the Vikings as long as you are not running at KW + Phatpat.
I thought Udeze was gonna have a Heart Attack on that return.. had he made it to the end zone.. i'm sure there would be an oxygen tank stuck to his body for the next 15 min.



Some great work by all the team, Coaching included.. props to Bchill for showing that this team is not just growing.. but has become a force that can NOT be taken lightly..

<fav moment in the game>
that juke move on the saftey by AP... holy QW$%^!$# he left him flappin in the wind on national TV!!! I've only seen moves like that on the Ice during hockey games
</fav moment>

DiGiTaL

jargomcfargo
12-03-2007, 10:54 AM
On TV it looked like Herrera talked to TJ quite a bit between plays. Anyone else notice that?
It probably is of no significance but is anectdotally interesting.

Marrdro
12-03-2007, 10:59 AM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


On TV it looked like Herrera talked to TJ quite a bit between plays. Anyone else notice that?
It probably is of no significance but is anectdotally interesting.

I missed that, however, I did see alot of the QB coach yacking at him in almost all the shots and very few of the Chiller doing the coaching of the young Jedi as some contend on here.
::)

NodakPaul
12-03-2007, 11:01 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


Where was Greenway today? Or Robinson? Or Edwards on D? Did any of them play?

Yes and all contributed in some way.
Just no big plays for any of them.


One of the things I saw and loved came from Robison in the 4th quarter.
The Vikings offense was on the field, and the game was already in hand.
I looked over to the Vikings bench, and what do I see?
Robison is hitting pads, jumping around, and keeping the Defense psyched.
And the players were responding to him!
Even with a very comfortable lead, Robison was doing what he needed to do to keep their minds on the game.
I love seeing that in a rookie.

vikes2456
12-03-2007, 11:04 AM
AP makes it look easy, it's almost like he is playing with people beneath his level. Also, watch after many of his jukes the defender just turns around and many times won't even bother chasing him.

What a grab by Rice! He seems to do well in the right side of the endzone.

Chester is consistently proving why we should NOT trade him

Kineche OooooooooooohDEZAAAA (I turned on the radio broadcast just in time for that pick)

The three things we need most are a saftey, cornerback, and wide receiver. Our corners are still young so there is hope, but I still would like to see that addressed. I'm hoping we can land someone good in the back, say what you want about our current staff, but they know how to draft.

I really hope we can make it to the playoffs this year, it's about time we get some respect again.

jargomcfargo
12-03-2007, 11:12 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"jargomcfargo" wrote:


On TV it looked like Herrera talked to TJ quite a bit between plays. Anyone else notice that?
It probably is of no significance but is anectdotally interesting.

I missed that, however, I did see alot of the QB coach yacking at him in almost all the shots and very few of the Chiller doing the coaching of the young Jedi as some contend on here.
::)


Well I did see Childress come over and listen to what the qb coach was telling TJ at one point, to make sure they were on the same page I'm guessing. I liked seeing that.

ConnecticutViking
12-03-2007, 11:17 AM
D-FENCE

D-FENCE

Mr Anderson
12-03-2007, 11:21 AM
Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.

Zeus
12-03-2007, 11:22 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"fanfrom1969" wrote:


Where was Greenway today? Or Robinson? Or Edwards on D? Did any of them play?

Yes and all contributed in some way.
Just no big plays for any of them.


One of the things I saw and loved came from Robison in the 4th quarter.
The Vikings offense was on the field, and the game was already in hand.
I looked over to the Vikings bench, and what do I see?
Robison is hitting pads, jumping around, and keeping the Defense psyched.
And the players were responding to him!
Even with a very comfortable lead, Robison was doing what he needed to do to keep their minds on the game.
I love seeing that in a rookie.


Of all the good offensive things from yesterday, what I'm most happy with is that the Vikings defense gave up ZERO points in the 2nd half, once it got out of hand.

=Z=

bleedpurple
12-03-2007, 11:44 AM
"vikes2456" wrote:


AP makes it look easy, it's almost like he is playing with people beneath his level. Also, watch after many of his jukes the defender just turns around and many times won't even bother chasing him.

What a grab by Rice! He seems to do well in the right side of the endzone.

Chester is consistently proving why we should NOT trade him

Kineche OooooooooooohDEZAAAA (I turned on the radio broadcast just in time for that pick)

The three things we need most are a saftey, cornerback, and wide receiver. Our corners are still young so there is hope, but I still would like to see that addressed. I'm hoping we can land someone good in the back, say what you want about our current staff, but they know how to draft.

I really hope we can make it to the playoffs this year, it's about time we get some respect again.


I think we need a DE more so than a corner

vikingivan
12-03-2007, 11:51 AM
TJack has had back to back solid performances.
Things are looking up for the Vikings and their fans.
Hopefully, we can keep the streak going and make the playoffs.
The Vikes are one of those teams that other teams will not like to play come playoff time.

Marrdro
12-03-2007, 11:53 AM
"Mr" wrote:


Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.

Wow, I didn't think of that. He was all over him wasn't he!!!!

IBleedPurple11
12-03-2007, 11:58 AM
"Mr" wrote:


Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ya that kinda scared me too, but he was fine, and a little celebration was needed after that TD. AD is a beast. Hope he stays healthy.

Kinda sucks that we will be battling with AZ for the final wild card spot since I live in AZ and since they are my home team I usually root for them, BUT NOT ANYMORE!

If you guys have not seen the Cardinals schedual for the rest of the season it is SEA, NO, ATL, STL. So we better win as many of these last 4 games as we can cause the Cards have a very beatable schedual. A plus is that Fitz and Boldin are banged up.

Zeus
12-03-2007, 12:27 PM
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=Z=

Zeus
12-03-2007, 12:29 PM
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/47/fullj.cab72c6dacc8d10c80f6ef3319367919/cab72c6dacc8d10c80f6ef3319367919-getty-75558006sd024_detroit_lions.jpg

=Z=

thepacksux
12-03-2007, 01:11 PM
A great all around game.
not too much else to say that hasn't been said in this thread.
However one player that i haven't heard mentioned a lot is Charles Gordon.
He is a steal for an undrafted rookie and plays very solid.
You don't hear his name mentioned a lot and as a corner thats a good thing.
He will be a great dime/eventually nickel back for us for a lot of years.

marstc09
12-03-2007, 01:33 PM
"Garland" wrote:


"LuckyVike" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Where's the T-jack haters?


I wouldn't consider myself a "T-jack hater" but I'm not exactly crowning him king like some people on here are.
Yes, he has had a few solid games in a row but I want to see more before I'm satisfied.
No, I don't need Peyton Manning numbers to be impressed but I want to see if he can win a game and not just manage it.
Or is that too much to ask of him at this stage of his development?


Great point Lucky Vike. He is FINALLY showing signs that he may get it. If he csn continue with showing some consistancy. and not making bad mistakes especially TO in the RZ. Those can kill a team. Keep showing me that he can continue to play at a somewhat solid level you habve been. IS he our future? I am still not conviced because he has a long way to go. But is what is funny is that most of the people that rip on us "haters" because we expect him to do better are also the same ones that are all over picking up a QB in FA or in the draft.


What more do you guys want?! He is 6-2 as a starter. He has not played a full year and is still learning. Can you imagine the possiblities?! I CAN! Go Vikes.

Forgot to add this
::)

Suick
12-03-2007, 01:35 PM
That 2nd TD run by AP was a thing of beauty. The jukes made the Lions DB (#26?) look like both ACL's blew.

I was chuckling.

SKOL
12-03-2007, 01:35 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


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=Z=


WOW, nice Heisman pose.

Zeus
12-03-2007, 01:38 PM
"SKOL" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/4e/fullj.8ce343c3fabe636d55505e67c8c5f0de/8ce343c3fabe636d55505e67c8c5f0de-getty-75558006sd001_detroit_lions.jpg


WOW, nice Heisman pose.


The thing I like most about this picture is how you can see that AD has totally dismissed whoever that is flying in for the tackle from his right.
That guy is done and dealt with and it's on to the next defender.

=Z=

SKOL
12-03-2007, 01:41 PM
"Suick" wrote:


That 2nd TD run by AP was a thing of beauty. The jukes made the Lions DB (#26?) look like both ACL's blew.

I was chuckling.


I didn't have a full appreciation for that run until they showed it in slow motion.
The thing with AD is he's just as likely to go through you, as cutting right or left.
So you brace for getting pummeled, then he starts juking, shifts his entire body to go right, you commit there, and he highsteps left into the endzone.
It WAS a thing of beauty.

Big C
12-03-2007, 01:54 PM
My favorite moment was the Vikes and Lions players having a social in the 3rd or 4th quarter while the refs were reviewing a play. Thats what sports is all about. There is always going to be a winner and a loser, but everyone plays because they love the sport.

AP juking the ACLs out of the safety was not too shabby either
;D.

mountainviking
12-03-2007, 02:16 PM
BAAAWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
SKOL VIKINGS!!!
WHAT A WIN!!!


Good games from all phases!!
Been laughing and grinning ear to ear all through this thread!!
So nice to get some wins!!!
AND, to see a more positive purple pride!
;D

The Oline seems to be improving each week, and it is improving the offense in general!
Thought all the quick release passes were a good call from the coaches too…helps out the line a bit, and helps to set a rhythm in general.
TJack seems to have made a big step along in his development…he is making better decisions, taking the running lanes when they open, scrambling away from pressure, generally reading the defenses faster, and most importantly, throwing accurately.
Through the past three games he’s completed slightly over 77%!!!

Our 1-2 punch at RB is incredible!!!
Chester is not only a great team player, but a great leader with the heart he displays on every play!
I hope we can keep them both for 5 or 10 years!!
At this moment, I wouldn’t even trade him away for a Moss, or TO, or Brett Favre!!
Do I even need to mention AP?
Wow.

Rice!
Wade!
And Allison looked great!
Maybe WR isn’t nearly the need some of us were thinking.
No doubt in my mind, that the defender made a hell of a play on Shank’s TD chance.
The guy nails the ball with a perfect punch…not much you can do against that.


IMHO, our young CBs have done a great job in Winfield’s absence!
(Nearly all wins?)
Sure, they get beat once in a while, but they do more bending than breaking, and when you look at the number of passes thrown at them, you have to realize that a few will slip through.
With this kind of exposure, they should be real good in about a year.


We got some good pressure out of the Dline today, and we needed it.
Our LBs were busy trying to cover the zone underneath against such a pass first team!
Love that play where Edwards just gets a hand on Kitna’s shoulder as he tries to throw the ball, and it pops up and right over to the DE on the other side, Udeze!
Ironic?
And, its always fun to see a big, tough Vikings lineman running down the field with the ball in his hands!!
Its usually kind of funny looking, and you can just feel his excitement, from the skip in his step and the look on their face!
;D

Dang!
From 3-6 and shutout to three wins and scoring over 40 points two weeks in a row!!?!!?!??!?
I was hoping/thinking we’d be better late in the season, but didn’t expect it to look this good after that GB game.
They’ll need to stay focused, and hope ARI can choke one or two away, but this team has a pretty decent shot at making the playoffs after all.


@SF is a total trap game, but one we should be able to win.
We should be able to beat the beat up Bears at home, and I think we match up well with the Redskins.
@DEN could be tough, but there’s always a good chance the weather will force a tough running game in December, and that would give us the edge.

SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!
The future starts now!
;D


...all the guys BSing during that Review was hilarious!!
Easy to forget, that so many of them know each other from previous teams on some level...

carta4eva
12-03-2007, 02:23 PM
this versian of tjack + two headed monster + stellar defense (add winfield when he gets healthy)= NFC CHAMPS!

Vikingryche
12-03-2007, 02:24 PM
Man, this is the most geeked ive been for Viking football, in a few yrs now.. We have a very dangerous team.. And Wow A.D. is truly a special talent. I believe we have the best rb in nfl for years to come. Great game on all sides.. Bring on them 49ers.
Should be an easy win. They cant pass and are not gonna run on us.
Go Vikes!!!

Marrdro
12-03-2007, 02:25 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


BAAAWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
SKOL VIKINGS!!!
WHAT A WIN!!!


Good games from all phases!!
Been laughing and grinning ear to ear all through this thread!!
So nice to get some wins!!!
AND, to see a more positive purple pride!
;D

The Oline seems to be improving each week, and it is improving the offense in general!
Thought all the quick release passes were a good call from the coaches too…helps out the line a bit, and helps to set a rhythm in general.
TJack seems to have made a big step along in his development…he is making better decisions, taking the running lanes when they open, scrambling away from pressure, generally reading the defenses faster, and most importantly, throwing accurately.
Through the past three games he’s completed slightly over 77%!!!

Our 1-2 punch at RB is incredible!!!
Chester is not only a great team player, but a great leader with the heart he displays on every play!
I hope we can keep them both for 5 or 10 years!!
At this moment, I wouldn’t even trade him away for a Moss, or TO, or Brett Favre!!
Do I even need to mention AP?
Wow.

Rice!
Wade!
And Allison looked great!
Maybe WR isn’t nearly the need some of us were thinking.
No doubt in my mind, that the defender made a hell of a play on Shank’s TD chance.
The guy nails the ball with a perfect punch…not much you can do against that.


IMHO, our young CBs have done a great job in Winfield’s absence!
(Nearly all wins?)
Sure, they get beat once in a while, but they do more bending than breaking, and when you look at the number of passes thrown at them, you have to realize that a few will slip through.
With this kind of exposure, they should be real good in about a year.


We got some good pressure out of the Dline today, and we needed it.
Our LBs were busy trying to cover the zone underneath against such a pass first team!
Love that play where Edwards just gets a hand on Kitna’s shoulder as he tries to throw the ball, and it pops up and right over to the DE on the other side, Udeze!
Ironic?
And, its always fun to see a big, tough Vikings lineman running down the field with the ball in his hands!!
Its usually kind of funny looking, and you can just feel his excitement, from the skip in his step and the look on their face!
;D

Dang!
From 3-6 and shutout to three wins and scoring over 40 points two weeks in a row!!?!!?!??!?
I was hoping/thinking we’d be better late in the season, but didn’t expect it to look this good after that GB game.
They’ll need to stay focused, and hope ARI can choke one or two away, but this team has a pretty decent shot at making the playoffs after all.


@SF is a total trap game, but one we should be able to win.
We should be able to beat the beat up Bears at home, and I think we match up well with the Redskins.
@DEN could be tough, but there’s always a good chance the weather will force a tough running game in December, and that would give us the edge.

SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!
The future starts now!
;D


...all the guys BSing during that Review was hilarious!!
Easy to forget, that so many of them know each other from previous teams on some level...

Very nice.
Very nice indeed.
;D

bleedpurple
12-03-2007, 03:23 PM
that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game

Purple D
12-03-2007, 03:24 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?

IBleedPurple11
12-03-2007, 03:27 PM
"Purple" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?


Kitna: "Man I wish I was as good as you my 2nd season. I also wish we had a RB like Adrian Peterson.

Marrdro
12-03-2007, 03:28 PM
"IBleedPurple28" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?


Kitna: "Man I wish I was as good as you my 2nd season. I also wish we had a RB like Adrian Peterson.

Do you ever get confused are you when your O-coord calls in plays?
I do.

jargomcfargo
12-03-2007, 03:41 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"IBleedPurple28" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?


Kitna: "Man I wish I was as good as you my 2nd season. I also wish we had a RB like Adrian Peterson.

Do you ever get confused are you when your O-coord calls in plays?
I do.

No I'm not going to let you rub my head if you win!

El Vikingo
12-03-2007, 03:42 PM
"Purple" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?


K:The artichokes makes me fart.
Jedi:Both Williams love artichokes and you can´t stand with them in the locker-room

Zeus
12-03-2007, 03:42 PM
"Purple" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?


"Why do you suppose God hates me now?"

=Z=

happy camper
12-03-2007, 03:44 PM
It looked to me like Kita was talking about something dumb like his wife's garden and Jackson didn't give a crap.

bleedpurple
12-03-2007, 03:45 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?


"Why do you suppose God hates me now?"

=Z=


We're still a better team than yall are... 10 wins baby!!!

El Vikingo
12-03-2007, 03:51 PM
"Purple" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?


K:Fuck I should have said to the media
10 Loses not 10 wins.

Purple D
12-03-2007, 03:51 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


that was funny when they were talking during the review like it was after the game


What do you suppose Kitna was telling TJ?


"Why do you suppose God hates me now?"

=Z=


We're still a better team than yall are... 10 wins baby!!!


Kitna: I bet you I could throw a ball over the Metrodome.
Man!!! If the coach would of just put me in, in the 10th grade, we would of won the state championship.

TJ: What?

NodakPaul
12-03-2007, 04:35 PM
I almost forgot about this until I saw it on nfl.com.
I loved Allison's posing after the kickoff return for a TD.
He just leaned up against the goal post and waited for the rest of the team.
It was like he was saying "What took you guys so long?" :D
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc23/NodakPaul/allisontd.jpg

C Mac D
12-03-2007, 04:40 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


I almost forgot about this until I saw it on nfl.com.
I loved Allison's posing after the kickoff return for a TD.
He just leaned up against the goal post and waited for the rest of the team.
It was like he was saying "What took you guys so long?" :D
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc23/NodakPaul/allisontd.jpg


He had an awesome game.... Allison and Rice.. I can see the future, and it is good.

marstc09
12-03-2007, 04:43 PM
"V" wrote:


QB: TJ had a great game. That is the first time we can say that, which alone is a great thing. Even moreso than stats, there was poise in the pocket, multiple reads, smart decisions (checkdowns, throwing the ball away), scrambling for first downs, pump fakes, spreading the ball to 9 different receivers...was that really TJ?

RB: Injury is the only thing that can stop Adrian Peterson. I try not to take the guy for granted, but he is so unbelievably good that I'm already getting used to it. I have never seen a back turn the corner as well as AD does. Once on the inside run that fell apart, that he patched back together by taking it outside for an 8 yard gain. Again on the toss. I mean, who even runs the toss any more? You can't because NFL LBs are too fast these days. But wait, AD can!

I loved Chester's performance even more. People saying trade the guy are crazy. It's ashame that he got injured, because otherwise he would be on pace for another 1,000 yard season. Chester is legit, real legit. A consistent workhorse bruiser who is vastly underappreciated. We ran the ball 34 times and never fumbled. Awesome.

WR:Bobby Wade put together another solid game, and Sidney Rice is growing very quickly. Also, you gotta love Allison getting open too. No dropped passes and the great run blocking from this group also continued. You would have to think that Williamson will never be more than a 3rd receiver in Minny.

OL: Their best overall game to date. I cursed Cook, zero times this game. That was partly because TJ was stepping up and Bevell was calling plays to get rid of the ball quickly. Several times when TJ had all day to throw. Several moments where huge running lanes were made.

The West Coast Offense was in full effect today. We still set up the pass with the run, but lots of slants, a screen pass, a swing pass. I loved it. We just consistently moved the ball, ate up the clock, and punched it in for 7 again and again and again. There were some playcalls I disagreed with, but very little.

DL: Pressure baby! Lots of hits and errant throws were made. They were needed, but Kitna did well when he had the time to throw. Also, it is so awesome to have a team run 2 times in a half because they fear your run defense so much. 23 yards rushing allowed is really amazing.

LB: I for one thought they had an extremely quiet game other than Henderson. Blitzes were working, but hell, did Greenway even play? I know he had no tackles,
but I don't recall seeing him on the field. Henderson is everything we needed him to be this year. I'm glad he is making the most of this, because it looked like he wouldn't pan out a couple years ago.

DB: With Winfield still a no go, Griffin was being picked on again for sure. IMO he is just overmatched and it makes him look worse than he really is. He is just going to need some more time. He was close on some plays and made good tackles on others. Sharper and Smith also didn't have loud games. To be honest, I'm sumprised our young CBs did this well in Winfield's absence. Gordon is a great dimeback.

The Defense really didn't have many standout performances. They played well as a unit, and simply got the job done, like they have all season.

ST: V during Allison KR: "Where are you going? Why are you going? We're going! We're going! Damn he aint going. He's gone!"

The fake was like taking candy from a baby.

Notes:
- Did I mention TJ's accuracy? It was honestly very impressive.
- I called the jump ball to Rice. Touchdown baby.
- Amazing rookie coming out party. I was waiting for McCauley to get a pick and Robison to get a sack.
- As good as Rice is, he was blanketed on that deep shot. Oh well.
- As good as TJ was, that INT was pretty bad. Right to the guy. Who was he trying to throw it to?
- Fake FG? RB pass while up by 42? We were toying with them!
- By my count, Williamson, Greenway, and Winfield all missed the game. We could be plain scary when they come back.
- Sportwriters and commentators around the nation are jumping on the bandwagon.




Too funny! I remember someone else saying "take a knee". Boy am I glad he did not because the rout began right after this.

marstc09
12-03-2007, 04:58 PM
"Mr" wrote:


Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.

marstc09
12-03-2007, 05:01 PM
My new favorite player is #37 Eric Frampton. This guy was a beast on Special Teams.

He was drafted by the Oakland Raiders in the fifth round of the 2007 NFL Draft. He was cut by the Raiders on September 1, 2007. The Detroit Lions claimed Frampton off waivers on September 2, 2007. On October 22, 2007 the Vikings claimed him off waivers.

Articnv
12-03-2007, 06:14 PM
for thoose of u that wished we geled at teh beging of the season.
I glad we havnt bcz seems liek when we peake dearlyw e faded, instead we started slow and now are starting tp peak.
LIek i seen on a qouto from espn,
besides
the cowbosy no one more scary in the NFC
the surging
Vikings.
Although i missed the first
quater and 1/2
do to the sno torm, the vikes saved
the
other score until i got to the bar wich was nice of them.

2nd week in arow i got mo drunk at teh bar then tialgating (50 cent shots rock every tiem the vikes score)

On to the 49ers i hope
we dont overlook them as we seem to
do with weaker teams and i have feeling the Purple Jesus will have a 200 yard game :)

SKOL
12-03-2007, 06:34 PM
At the office today, around the water cooler, we were talking about TJacks one, and only, mistake of the afternoon.


The game was well in hand, so we could all laugh about it, but what was that?
At the 5 yard line, with plenty of time TJack throws it, on a rope, to the lone player on that part of the field, a Detroit Lion.
The guy must have been 5 yards out of position if the ball was thrown anywhere close to one of our receivers.
But TJack hits him in the numbers.


I don't mean to bring up a negative, but we all got a big chuckle out of that.
Maybe Childress wasn't trying to run up the score after all?

BleedinPandG
12-03-2007, 08:26 PM
"SKOL" wrote:


At the office today, around the water cooler, we were talking about TJacks one, and only, mistake of the afternoon.


The game was well at hand, so we could all laugh about it, but what was that?
At the 5 yard line, with plenty of time TJack throws it, on a rope, to the lone player on that part of the field, a Detroit Lion.
The guy must have been 5 yards out of position if the ball was thrown anywhere close to one of our receivers.
But TJack hits him in the numbers.


I don't mean to bring up a negative, but we all got a big chuckle out of that.
Maybe Childress wasn't trying to run up the score after all?




I've yet to see a good replay of that play, not sure what TJack saw or what he was trying to do.
Obviously it was a mistake, I just couldn't tell how big of one because I didn't get to see a receiver.
Sometimes QBs look right past LBs to their WR... they are looking for CB and Safety coverage and don't see the LB right in front of them.

The Dropper
12-03-2007, 08:39 PM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"SKOL" wrote:


At the office today, around the water cooler, we were talking about TJacks one, and only, mistake of the afternoon.


The game was well at hand, so we could all laugh about it, but what was that?
At the 5 yard line, with plenty of time TJack throws it, on a rope, to the lone player on that part of the field, a Detroit Lion.
The guy must have been 5 yards out of position if the ball was thrown anywhere close to one of our receivers.
But TJack hits him in the numbers.


I don't mean to bring up a negative, but we all got a big chuckle out of that.
Maybe Childress wasn't trying to run up the score after all?




I've yet to see a good replay of that play, not sure what TJack saw or what he was trying to do.
Obviously it was a mistake, I just couldn't tell how big of one because I didn't get to see a receiver.
Sometimes QBs look right past LBs to their WR... they are looking for CB and Safety coverage and don't see the LB right in front of them.


After that play the camera was on Childress having a pretty serious talk with Shiancoe. Now, that could have been because the play before he dropped a pass in the endzone, which would make sense. But at the time I wondered if it wasn't because Shank ran the wrong route or something, thus the interception.

Hard to say, but you would think that after an interception (and especially after Tarvaris put his body on the line to make a badass/foolish tackle) Childress would be having that serious conversation with TJack, not Shank, if it was entirely Tarvaris's fault.

VikesFanInNC
12-03-2007, 08:40 PM
Yah TJack was pretty ticked after he threw that pick and went right after that guy.

mountainviking
12-04-2007, 12:34 AM
He could probably use a tackling lesson, but I was glad to see him hit the guy he threw the ball to!!
If he doesn't, maybe that goes the distance :o

Vikes_King
12-04-2007, 04:08 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.

V-Unit
12-04-2007, 09:15 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


You beat me to it.
100% agreed.

V4L
12-04-2007, 09:17 PM
Ferguson has played as well as any WR on this team besides Sidney

I have no problem watching him lay a nice block springing AP for 80 yards

marstc09
12-04-2007, 11:14 PM
"V" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


You beat me to it.
100% agreed.


Are you kidding me?! Tony Richardson is springing him to the next level. Ferguson makes a couple blocks in the San Diego and you think he is the reason Peterson is breaking these big runs. Did you watch the Lions game? On one of his TDs it was Bobby Wade who blocked for him not Ferguson. And who met him in the endzone? Tony Richardson. On the last TD it was Richardson again and Shiancoe making the key blocks. Ferguson was on the other side of the play. Sure he was blocking his guy but the defender would have not made the tackle anyways because Peterson was already 7 yards away from him. Never would of caught him. On one of Petersons big runs it was Richardson again and the OL. Peterson did the rest. On Taylors TD it was Richardson, Hutch, and Shiancoe. Ferguson is not the only one with energy on this team. I would rather see Rice, Wade, and Williamson on the field.

marstc09
12-04-2007, 11:24 PM
"V4L" wrote:


Ferguson has played as well as any WR on this team besides Sidney

I have no problem watching him lay a nice block springing AP for 80 yards


He is? He has the lowest yards after the catch! No touchdowns and I can remember him dropping one or two TD passes. The rest of the WR including RBs are playing better than him. Once again I would rather see him off the field. The others block just as well as him.

Player








Rec
Yds
Yds/Rec
Long
TD

Bobby Wade





37
426


11.5


40


1
Sidney Rice





28

365

13.0


60


4
Visanthe Shiancoe

21
292


13.9


79


1
Chester Taylor



17
200


11.8


50


0
Robert Ferguson


17
165


9.7



35


0
Adrian Peterson


16
230


14.4


60

1
Troy Williamson


13
201


15.5


60


1

Vikes_King
12-04-2007, 11:24 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


You beat me to it.
100% agreed.


Are you kidding me?! Tony Richardson is springing him to the next level. Ferguson makes a couple blocks in the San Diego and you think he is the reason Peterson is breaking these big runs. Did you watch the Lions game? On one of his TDs it was Bobby Wade who blocked for him not Ferguson. And who met him in the endzone? Tony Richardson. On the last TD it was Richardson again and Shiancoe making the key blocks. Ferguson was on the other side of the play. Sure he was blocking his guy but the defender would have not made the tackle anyways because Peterson was already 7 yards away from him. Never would of caught him. On one of Petersons big runs it was Richardson again and the OL. Peterson did the rest. On Taylors TD it was Richardson, Hutch, and Shiancoe. Ferguson is not the only one with energy on this team. I would rather see Rice, Wade, and Williamson on the field.


Did I say that he's the only one bringing him to another level?
Richardson will plow the path for him by picking up a linebacker or so and i love T-Rich.
But watch replays some times, Ferguson will come off the corner he's blocking and run up and pick up a safety at times.
Ferguson is by far, not my favorite receiver on the team, but he's realiable when he's thrown the ball.
But even if he isn't, look at him, he's a very strong man, and there for by far our most physical blocking WR, and our coaches have realised that, thats why he's mainly only in on there on running plays or play actions.

Just because I pointed out positive things about him because people were criticizing him for "tackling" AD, doesn't mean i'm voting him for the Pro Bowl or some shit, but he's a very solid compliment to our running game, like it or not.

marstc09
12-04-2007, 11:40 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:




Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


You beat me to it.
100% agreed.


Are you kidding me?! Tony Richardson is springing him to the next level. Ferguson makes a couple blocks in the San Diego and you think he is the reason Peterson is breaking these big runs. Did you watch the Lions game? On one of his TDs it was Bobby Wade who blocked for him not Ferguson. And who met him in the endzone? Tony Richardson. On the last TD it was Richardson again and Shiancoe making the key blocks. Ferguson was on the other side of the play. Sure he was blocking his guy but the defender would have not made the tackle anyways because Peterson was already 7 yards away from him. Never would of caught him. On one of Petersons big runs it was Richardson again and the OL. Peterson did the rest. On Taylors TD it was Richardson, Hutch, and Shiancoe. Ferguson is not the only one with energy on this team. I would rather see Rice, Wade, and Williamson on the field.


Did I say that he's the only one bringing him to another level?
Richardson will plow the path for him by picking up a linebacker or so and i love T-Rich.
But watch replays some times, Ferguson will come off the corner he's blocking and run up and pick up a safety at times.
Ferguson is by far, not my favorite receiver on the team, but he's realiable when he's thrown the ball.
But even if he isn't, look at him, he's a very strong man, and there for by far our most physical blocking WR, and our coaches have realised that, thats why he's mainly only in on there on running plays or play actions.

Just because I pointed out positive things about him because people were criticizing him for "tackling" AD, doesn't mean i'm voting him for the Pro Bowl or some shit, but he's a very solid compliment to our running game, like it or not.



No you did not say he was the only one but I believe he is not a big part of the running game. Wade and Rice can block just as well as him. I watch the replays and Ferguson was not even in on Petersons first TD. Why would we want him out there on only running plays? Teams are not dumb. They will notice this and know we are running. BTW he is not reliable catching the ball. There is a reason why he is no longer with the Packers.

jargomcfargo
12-05-2007, 12:22 AM
The arguement you guys are having here is pretty silly! Honestly.

Ferguson wants to win like everyone on this team.

When I saw him essentially tackle Peterson I thought the same thing as Mr. A. Please don't reinjure that knee.

But he is on this roster and showed his excitement with the score he contributed to. That is good to see.

Ferguson may not be the best receiver on the roster. But he is working hard to be as good as he can when called upon to be in the game.

So when I see him get excited about AD scoring like that, I get excited to realize that this is a team. And that includes everyone that plays. Not just the starters.

It's a team,finally. And thank God for that.

Marrdro
12-05-2007, 09:37 AM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


The arguement you guys are having here is pretty silly! Honestly.

Ferguson wants to win like everyone on this team.

When I saw him essentially tackle Peterson I thought the same thing as Mr. A. Please don't reinjure that knee.

But he is on this roster and showed his excitement with the score he contributed to. That is good to see.

Ferguson may not be the best receiver on the roster. But he is working hard to be as good as he can when called upon to be in the game.

So when I see him get excited about AD scoring like that, I get excited to realize that this is a team. And that includes everyone that plays. Not just the starters.

It's a team,finally. And thank God for that.


Your a craft ole codger aren't you?
;D

Coming with a nice post like that and then trying to slip that last little line by me.

Hasn't it always been a team?
Even though the local sports hacks have dug and dug without anything substantial, this team has always been a team and with a couple of exceptions with regard to a not to be named vet in the secondary, they have stuck by one another are the better for it.

V-Unit
12-05-2007, 02:10 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:






Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


You beat me to it.
100% agreed.


Are you kidding me?! Tony Richardson is springing him to the next level. Ferguson makes a couple blocks in the San Diego and you think he is the reason Peterson is breaking these big runs. Did you watch the Lions game? On one of his TDs it was Bobby Wade who blocked for him not Ferguson. And who met him in the endzone? Tony Richardson. On the last TD it was Richardson again and Shiancoe making the key blocks. Ferguson was on the other side of the play. Sure he was blocking his guy but the defender would have not made the tackle anyways because Peterson was already 7 yards away from him. Never would of caught him. On one of Petersons big runs it was Richardson again and the OL. Peterson did the rest. On Taylors TD it was Richardson, Hutch, and Shiancoe. Ferguson is not the only one with energy on this team. I would rather see Rice, Wade, and Williamson on the field.


Did I say that he's the only one bringing him to another level?
Richardson will plow the path for him by picking up a linebacker or so and i love T-Rich.
But watch replays some times, Ferguson will come off the corner he's blocking and run up and pick up a safety at times.
Ferguson is by far, not my favorite receiver on the team, but he's realiable when he's thrown the ball.
But even if he isn't, look at him, he's a very strong man, and there for by far our most physical blocking WR, and our coaches have realised that, thats why he's mainly only in on there on running plays or play actions.

Just because I pointed out positive things about him because people were criticizing him for "tackling" AD, doesn't mean i'm voting him for the Pro Bowl or some shit, but he's a very solid compliment to our running game, like it or not.



No you did not say he was the only one but I believe he is not a big part of the running game. Wade and Rice can block just as well as him. I watch the replays and Ferguson was not even in on Petersons first TD. Why would we want him out there on only running plays? Teams are not dumb. They will notice this and know we are running. BTW he is not reliable catching the ball. There is a reason why he is no longer with the Packers.


You said he does more harm than good. That just aint true.

vikes2456
12-05-2007, 02:13 PM
Ferguson is not the sole reason why AP is getting good blocks. But he has been giving it all each play, and he has been blocking well. You can't take those away from him. He may not be the best WR in the NFL, but at least he gives it his all. Remember, there are plenty of WRs who make half hearted blocks, which could (potentially) prevent some of Associated Press's big runs.

marstc09
12-05-2007, 09:23 PM
"V" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V" wrote:








Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


You beat me to it.
100% agreed.


Are you kidding me?! Tony Richardson is springing him to the next level. Ferguson makes a couple blocks in the San Diego and you think he is the reason Peterson is breaking these big runs. Did you watch the Lions game? On one of his TDs it was Bobby Wade who blocked for him not Ferguson. And who met him in the endzone? Tony Richardson. On the last TD it was Richardson again and Shiancoe making the key blocks. Ferguson was on the other side of the play. Sure he was blocking his guy but the defender would have not made the tackle anyways because Peterson was already 7 yards away from him. Never would of caught him. On one of Petersons big runs it was Richardson again and the OL. Peterson did the rest. On Taylors TD it was Richardson, Hutch, and Shiancoe. Ferguson is not the only one with energy on this team. I would rather see Rice, Wade, and Williamson on the field.


Did I say that he's the only one bringing him to another level?
Richardson will plow the path for him by picking up a linebacker or so and i love T-Rich.
But watch replays some times, Ferguson will come off the corner he's blocking and run up and pick up a safety at times.
Ferguson is by far, not my favorite receiver on the team, but he's realiable when he's thrown the ball.
But even if he isn't, look at him, he's a very strong man, and there for by far our most physical blocking WR, and our coaches have realised that, thats why he's mainly only in on there on running plays or play actions.

Just because I pointed out positive things about him because people were criticizing him for "tackling" AD, doesn't mean i'm voting him for the Pro Bowl or some shit, but he's a very solid compliment to our running game, like it or not.



No you did not say he was the only one but I believe he is not a big part of the running game. Wade and Rice can block just as well as him. I watch the replays and Ferguson was not even in on Petersons first TD. Why would we want him out there on only running plays? Teams are not dumb. They will notice this and know we are running. BTW he is not reliable catching the ball. There is a reason why he is no longer with the Packers.


You said he does more harm than good. That just aint true.


In your opinion. You have a hard time understand opinion don't you. My opinion is that him being on the field hurts us more than it does good. Get over it.

marstc09
12-05-2007, 09:29 PM
"jargomcfargo" wrote:


The arguement you guys are having here is pretty silly! Honestly.

Ferguson wants to win like everyone on this team.

When I saw him essentially tackle Peterson I thought the same thing as Mr. A. Please don't reinjure that knee.

But he is on this roster and showed his excitement with the score he contributed to. That is good to see.

Ferguson may not be the best receiver on the roster. But he is working hard to be as good as he can when called upon to be in the game.

So when I see him get excited about AD scoring like that, I get excited to realize that this is a team. And that includes everyone that plays. Not just the starters.

It's a team,finally. And thank God for that.



I never said he was not working hard. All I am saying that IMO he is not good enough to be on the field. Rice, Wade, Williamson, and Allison are far better and deserve the playing time. Again there is a reason Green Bay cut him in favor of the younger guys.

marstc09
12-05-2007, 09:33 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/marstc09/4fc1c8abf9ddd0bc06266d99e74ed9b7-ge.jpg

PurplePeopleEaters
12-05-2007, 09:46 PM
Not to hijack, but the new dome wall design looks awesome. I don't remember it being like that before the raiders game..

i_bleed_purple
12-05-2007, 09:58 PM
i like how if you look at the design on the walls in the picture two posts up they have mike doss and marcus Johnson, neither of which are starting.

NodakPaul
12-05-2007, 10:01 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


Not to hijack, but the new dome wall design looks awesome. I don't remember it being like that before the raiders game..


I noticed that too, and made the same comment to my buddies.
I really like it.

MemphisPurple
12-05-2007, 10:52 PM
I walked up to the wall at the Detroit game and thought it was awsome, anyway T.Will doesn't even need to start the way he has been playing. Allison has stepped up

V-Unit
12-06-2007, 07:00 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:










Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


You beat me to it.
100% agreed.


Are you kidding me?! Tony Richardson is springing him to the next level. Ferguson makes a couple blocks in the San Diego and you think he is the reason Peterson is breaking these big runs. Did you watch the Lions game? On one of his TDs it was Bobby Wade who blocked for him not Ferguson. And who met him in the endzone? Tony Richardson. On the last TD it was Richardson again and Shiancoe making the key blocks. Ferguson was on the other side of the play. Sure he was blocking his guy but the defender would have not made the tackle anyways because Peterson was already 7 yards away from him. Never would of caught him. On one of Petersons big runs it was Richardson again and the OL. Peterson did the rest. On Taylors TD it was Richardson, Hutch, and Shiancoe. Ferguson is not the only one with energy on this team. I would rather see Rice, Wade, and Williamson on the field.


Did I say that he's the only one bringing him to another level?
Richardson will plow the path for him by picking up a linebacker or so and i love T-Rich.
But watch replays some times, Ferguson will come off the corner he's blocking and run up and pick up a safety at times.
Ferguson is by far, not my favorite receiver on the team, but he's realiable when he's thrown the ball.
But even if he isn't, look at him, he's a very strong man, and there for by far our most physical blocking WR, and our coaches have realised that, thats why he's mainly only in on there on running plays or play actions.

Just because I pointed out positive things about him because people were criticizing him for "tackling" AD, doesn't mean i'm voting him for the Pro Bowl or some shit, but he's a very solid compliment to our running game, like it or not.



No you did not say he was the only one but I believe he is not a big part of the running game. Wade and Rice can block just as well as him. I watch the replays and Ferguson was not even in on Petersons first TD. Why would we want him out there on only running plays? Teams are not dumb. They will notice this and know we are running. BTW he is not reliable catching the ball. There is a reason why he is no longer with the Packers.


You said he does more harm than good. That just aint true.


In your opinion. You have a hard time understand opinion don't you. My opinion is that him being on the field hurts us more than it does good. Get over it.


I shouldn't have to state "in my opinion", in every single post. It's a message board. It's obvious that its my opinion. You have a hard time carrying arguments without taking it personally. That said, I respect your opinion.

Marrdro
12-06-2007, 08:11 AM
"MemphisPurple" wrote:


I walked up to the wall at the Detroit game and thought it was awsome, anyway T.Will doesn't even need to start the way he has been playing. Allison has stepped up


Why bench T-will my friend.
With the thought process in mind that the coaching staff only carries 4 WR's on the game day roster which four would you put on the field?
I would put the 4 that have been playing the best.
Simple comparison of the stats provided would show that maybe Fergy should sit if Allison is put on the roster..........

Player








Rec
Yds
Yds/Rec
Long
TD

Bobby Wade




37
426

11.5


40

1
Sidney Rice





28
365

13.0


60


4
Visanthe Shiancoe
21
292

13.9


79

1
Chester Taylor



17
200

11.8


50

0
Robert Ferguson

17
165


9.7


35

0
Adrian Peterson


16
230


14.4


60

1
Troy Williamson


13
201


15.5

60


1

marstc09
12-06-2007, 09:46 AM
"V" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:












Ok, I found something I didn't like in this game.

After Peterson's second TD, Robert Ferguson tackled him in the endzone.

The guy's already injured, last thing we need is a Ted Ginn incident.


Ferguson once again doing more harm than good for this team. I hope Twill gets back on the field soon.


you really think that Fergy even came CLOSE to risking hurting him lol?
he didnt like run and take him out lol, he kinda leaned on him.


I personally love Ferguson's energy.
He gets soo pumped with every touch down that AD gets, and thats because a lot of the time, he helps spring him to the next level before he breaks loose.

The man has only had 17 receptions for 165 yards this season, but did you watch the San Diego game closely?
On two of AD's huge runs, Ferguson threw the key blocks down field to open it, and because of that, he was estatic on the sidelines the whole game, joking around w/ other WR's & jacking up AD even more.


You beat me to it.
100% agreed.


Are you kidding me?! Tony Richardson is springing him to the next level. Ferguson makes a couple blocks in the San Diego and you think he is the reason Peterson is breaking these big runs. Did you watch the Lions game? On one of his TDs it was Bobby Wade who blocked for him not Ferguson. And who met him in the endzone? Tony Richardson. On the last TD it was Richardson again and Shiancoe making the key blocks. Ferguson was on the other side of the play. Sure he was blocking his guy but the defender would have not made the tackle anyways because Peterson was already 7 yards away from him. Never would of caught him. On one of Petersons big runs it was Richardson again and the OL. Peterson did the rest. On Taylors TD it was Richardson, Hutch, and Shiancoe. Ferguson is not the only one with energy on this team. I would rather see Rice, Wade, and Williamson on the field.


Did I say that he's the only one bringing him to another level?
Richardson will plow the path for him by picking up a linebacker or so and i love T-Rich.
But watch replays some times, Ferguson will come off the corner he's blocking and run up and pick up a safety at times.
Ferguson is by far, not my favorite receiver on the team, but he's realiable when he's thrown the ball.
But even if he isn't, look at him, he's a very strong man, and there for by far our most physical blocking WR, and our coaches have realised that, thats why he's mainly only in on there on running plays or play actions.

Just because I pointed out positive things about him because people were criticizing him for "tackling" AD, doesn't mean i'm voting him for the Pro Bowl or some shit, but he's a very solid compliment to our running game, like it or not.



No you did not say he was the only one but I believe he is not a big part of the running game. Wade and Rice can block just as well as him. I watch the replays and Ferguson was not even in on Petersons first TD. Why would we want him out there on only running plays? Teams are not dumb. They will notice this and know we are running. BTW he is not reliable catching the ball. There is a reason why he is no longer with the Packers.


You said he does more harm than good. That just aint true.


In your opinion. You have a hard time understand opinion don't you. My opinion is that him being on the field hurts us more than it does good. Get over it.


I shouldn't have to state "in my opinion", in every single post. It's a message board. It's obvious that its my opinion. You have a hard time carrying arguments without taking it personally. That said, I respect your opinion.


You said that just aint true. Opinions are never true or false. BTW I respect your opinion too. All I am saying is that I like Ferguson but we have better receivers to put on the field.

marstc09
12-06-2007, 09:53 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"MemphisPurple" wrote:


I walked up to the wall at the Detroit game and thought it was awsome, anyway T.Will doesn't even need to start the way he has been playing. Allison has stepped up


Why bench T-will my friend.
With the thought process in mind that the coaching staff only carries 4 WR's on the game day roster which four would you put on the field?
I would put the 4 that have been playing the best.
Simple comparison of the stats provided would show that maybe Fergy should sit if Allison is put on the roster..........

Player








Rec
Yds
Yds/Rec
Long
TD

Bobby Wade





37
426


11.5


40


1
Sidney Rice





28

365

13.0


60


4
Visanthe Shiancoe

21
292


13.9


79


1
Chester Taylor



17
200


11.8


50


0
Robert Ferguson


17
165


9.7



35


0
Adrian Peterson


16
230


14.4


60

1
Troy Williamson


13
201


15.5


60


1


Very True. I think the most important stat her is obviously TDs but also yards after the catch. Ferguson is at the bottom in both categories with 0 and 1.4

IBleedPurple11
12-06-2007, 11:41 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"MemphisPurple" wrote:


I walked up to the wall at the Detroit game and thought it was awsome, anyway T.Will doesn't even need to start the way he has been playing. Allison has stepped up


Why bench T-will my friend.
With the thought process in mind that the coaching staff only carries 4 WR's on the game day roster which four would you put on the field?
I would put the 4 that have been playing the best.
Simple comparison of the stats provided would show that maybe Fergy should sit if Allison is put on the roster..........

Player








Rec
Yds
Yds/Rec
Long
TD

Bobby Wade





37
426


11.5


40


1
Sidney Rice





28

365

13.0


60


4
Visanthe Shiancoe

21
292


13.9


79


1
Chester Taylor



17
200


11.8


50


0
Robert Ferguson


17
165


9.7



35


0
Adrian Peterson


16
230


14.4


60

1
Troy Williamson


13
201


15.5


60


1


Very True. I think the most important stat her is obviously TDs but also yards after the catch. Ferguson is at the bottom in both categories with 0 and 1.4


Why are we even talking about this? If you ask me they both suck. Rice is our only GOOD WR. Everyone else is on the same level. But the 3 I would want out there are Rice, Wade and Allison....then Twill and Ferg.

Marrdro
12-06-2007, 12:17 PM
"IBleedPurple28" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"MemphisPurple" wrote:


I walked up to the wall at the Detroit game and thought it was awsome, anyway T.Will doesn't even need to start the way he has been playing. Allison has stepped up


Why bench T-will my friend.
With the thought process in mind that the coaching staff only carries 4 WR's on the game day roster which four would you put on the field?
I would put the 4 that have been playing the best.
Simple comparison of the stats provided would show that maybe Fergy should sit if Allison is put on the roster..........

Player








Rec
Yds
Yds/Rec
Long
TD

Bobby Wade





37
426


11.5


40


1
Sidney Rice





28

365

13.0


60


4
Visanthe Shiancoe

21
292


13.9


79


1
Chester Taylor



17
200


11.8


50


0
Robert Ferguson


17
165


9.7



35


0
Adrian Peterson


16
230


14.4


60

1
Troy Williamson


13
201


15.5


60


1


Very True. I think the most important stat her is obviously TDs but also yards after the catch. Ferguson is at the bottom in both categories with 0 and 1.4


Why are we even talking about this? If you ask me they both suck. Rice is our only GOOD WR. Everyone else is on the same level. But the 3 I would want out there are Rice, Wade and Allison....then Twill and Ferg.

Because it is relevant to what is going on.
Like it or not, they are the recievers that are on the squad this year.

Mr-holland
12-06-2007, 12:26 PM
we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..

thevikingfan
12-06-2007, 12:29 PM
Dont like wade.He doesnt catch many passes and he fumbles the ones he does.Dont like T-will drops hopefully he wont be on this team next year.I say get fitzgerald over here and start him rice and allison

Purple D
12-06-2007, 12:30 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.
One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

Mr-holland
12-06-2007, 12:37 PM
"Purple" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.
One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?

V4L
12-06-2007, 12:38 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.
One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside

NodakPaul
12-06-2007, 01:07 PM
"thevikingfan" wrote:


Dont like wade.He doesnt catch many passes and he fumbles the ones he does.Dont like T-will drops hopefully he wont be on this team next year.I say get fitzgerald over here and start him rice and allison


Um, Wade is the leading Vikings WR in both yards and catches, and he has only fumbled twice this year.
Are you talking about the Wade when he was on the Bears, or the Wade we have on the Vikings right now.
Overall Wade has done rather well for the Vikings.

Purple D
12-06-2007, 01:13 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.

One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside


You don't have to see Allison play for too long to see that he has incredible upside.
He will be a great threat for this offense sooner rather than later.
Rice should still be our number one unless we bring in someone considerably better.

bleedpurple
12-06-2007, 02:53 PM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:




we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.

One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside


You don't have to see Allison play for too long to see that he has incredible upside.
He will be a great threat for this offense sooner rather than later.
Rice should still be our number one unless we bring in someone considerably better.


I agree that allison could be with the top 4 Wr's but given that our wr's arn't that good and i really would like a FA brought in i don't think he's be a #3#4 receiver. you have 1 and 2 for Rice and the FA and #3 and #4 for T-will and Wade


Allison is waaaaaaaay better than Bobby Wade... if a receiver is brought in next year, i think it will be that guy, Rice, then allison... wade as a #4 guy.. depending on the formation... but Allison will clearly be one of our better receivers we'll have on this roster.

Mr-holland
12-06-2007, 02:56 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:






we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.
One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside


You don't have to see Allison play for too long to see that he has incredible upside.
He will be a great threat for this offense sooner rather than later.
Rice should still be our number one unless we bring in someone considerably better.


I agree that allison could be with the top 4 Wr's but given that our wr's arn't that good and i really would like a FA brought in i don't think he's be a #3#4 receiver. you have 1 and 2 for Rice and the FA and #3 and #4 for T-will and Wade


Allison is waaaaaaaay better than Bobby Wade... if a receiver is brought in next year, i think it will be that guy, Rice, then allison... wade as a #4 guy.. depending on the formation... but Allison will clearly be one of our better receivers we'll have on this roster.

Wade got a big contract no way he's here for the #4 spot IMO...
I love the talent both Rice and Allison have but we have seen way to less from Allison

Marrdro
12-06-2007, 03:06 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:






we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.

One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside


You don't have to see Allison play for too long to see that he has incredible upside.
He will be a great threat for this offense sooner rather than later.
Rice should still be our number one unless we bring in someone considerably better.


I agree that allison could be with the top 4 Wr's but given that our wr's arn't that good and i really would like a FA brought in i don't think he's be a #3#4 receiver. you have 1 and 2 for Rice and the FA and #3 and #4 for T-will and Wade


Allison is waaaaaaaay better than Bobby Wade... if a receiver is brought in next year, i think it will be that guy, Rice, then allison... wade as a #4 guy.. depending on the formation... but Allison will clearly be one of our better receivers we'll have on this roster.

What makes you say that?
You all need to remember that when you think of WR and thier role in the WCO you can't just plug a guy in and hope he works.
You really need 3 different types of WR on your roster to make sure that you can effectively run the offense.

Below are two articles that will help I think.
The first kindof explain the positions and the type of players for each as well as the second actually breaks down the Vikings WR's and thier role.


The focal point and key to a successful West Coast offense, though, is the wide receiver position. Unlike other offenses, wide receivers fit into a different terminology of positions on the field. West Coast receivers have to be excellent at gaining yards after the reception, something that made retired NFL great Jerry Rice such a lethal wide receiver for the better part of two decades. They include:

Split End: This position is generally reserved for a more possession-type receiver that has a good release off the line, because the split end must line up on the line of scrimmage on the weak side of the field.

Flanker: This position gives the receiver more freedom, since he doesn't line up on the line of scrimmage and can go in motion to the weak side of the field. An illegal formation penalty will be called if there is not a wideout on the weak side of the play, whereas the tight end on the power side is on the line of scrimmage. The flanker is not technically reserved for a speedy receiver, but it does give smaller, speedier receivers more room to work.

Slot: The newer versions of the West Coast offense often use a third receiver placed in the slot instead of a second tight end. Slot receivers are generally smaller, speedier players that have trouble beating press coverage. However, some teams may use bigger players to offset this.



http://www.kffl.com/article.php/73828/488
http://www.kffl.com/article.php/71985/74

ultravikingfan
12-06-2007, 03:25 PM
"thevikingfan" wrote:


Dont like wade.He doesnt catch many passes and he fumbles the ones he does.Dont like T-will drops hopefully he wont be on this team next year.I say get fitzgerald over here and start him rice and allison


He has 37 receptioons this year and 3 fumbles (1 lost, 2 recovered).
With your reasoning he should have 37 fumbles, right?


Although I am not too high on him, it's not like these WR's have had a ton of passes thrown their way this year.
In the early going the ones that were thrown there way were not accurate passes at all.

V4L
12-06-2007, 03:49 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"thevikingfan" wrote:


Dont like wade.He doesnt catch many passes and he fumbles the ones he does.Dont like T-will drops hopefully he wont be on this team next year.I say get fitzgerald over here and start him rice and allison


He has 37 receptioons this year and 3 fumbles (1 lost, 2 recovered).
With your reasoning he should have 37 fumbles, right?


Although I am not too high on him, it's not like these WR's have had a ton of passes thrown their way this year.
In the early going the ones that were thrown there way were not accurate passes at all.



Exactly

Everyone looks at the stats and blames the WR's

bleedpurple
12-06-2007, 04:54 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:








we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.

One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside


You don't have to see Allison play for too long to see that he has incredible upside.
He will be a great threat for this offense sooner rather than later.
Rice should still be our number one unless we bring in someone considerably better.


I agree that allison could be with the top 4 Wr's but given that our wr's arn't that good and i really would like a FA brought in i don't think he's be a #3#4 receiver. you have 1 and 2 for Rice and the FA and #3 and #4 for T-will and Wade


Allison is waaaaaaaay better than Bobby Wade... if a receiver is brought in next year, i think it will be that guy, Rice, then allison... wade as a #4 guy.. depending on the formation... but Allison will clearly be one of our better receivers we'll have on this roster.

What makes you say that?
You all need to remember that when you think of WR and thier role in the WCO you can't just plug a guy in and hope he works.
You really need 3 different types of WR on your roster to make sure that you can effectively run the offense.

Below are two articles that will help I think.
The first kindof explain the positions and the type of players for each as well as the second actually breaks down the Vikings WR's and thier role.


The focal point and key to a successful West Coast offense, though, is the wide receiver position. Unlike other offenses, wide receivers fit into a different terminology of positions on the field. West Coast receivers have to be excellent at gaining yards after the reception, something that made retired NFL great Jerry Rice such a lethal wide receiver for the better part of two decades. They include:

Split End: This position is generally reserved for a more possession-type receiver that has a good release off the line, because the split end must line up on the line of scrimmage on the weak side of the field.

Flanker: This position gives the receiver more freedom, since he doesn't line up on the line of scrimmage and can go in motion to the weak side of the field. An illegal formation penalty will be called if there is not a wideout on the weak side of the play, whereas the tight end on the power side is on the line of scrimmage. The flanker is not technically reserved for a speedy receiver, but it does give smaller, speedier receivers more room to work.

Slot: The newer versions of the West Coast offense often use a third receiver placed in the slot instead of a second tight end. Slot receivers are generally smaller, speedier players that have trouble beating press coverage. However, some teams may use bigger players to offset this.



http://www.kffl.com/article.php/73828/488
http://www.kffl.com/article.php/71985/74


Not to knock the guy Wade.. hey he's a NFL receiver and a very rich guy... but i'll just put it this way... Your gonna build a team and need a receiver.. and your choices are b/t Bobby Wade and Aundre Allison.. who do you pick???
That in my opinion is a no-brainer.. you put the three most talented guys on the field... i don't give a crap about the kick jiggly but offensive positions that guys need to "fit" into for the WCO.. Allison is more talented and has more upside...

if you want yards after the catch... Allison has shown he can do this... wade is more of a posession receiver.. and while he's more savvy right now.. and is a decent possession receiver, i still would rather Aundre be on the field..

While he hasn't had that much P.T. obvously.. he had a key catch I think in the Atlanta game and has had some big returns for us in the kicking game... plus he's faster than wade..

So, based on body of work "this year" yeah, you'd probably say wade was more productive, but that doesn't mean he's better...

and i dont' care how much we paid for the dude... If he's being outplayed he needs to be on the field... Brady Quinn is making more money than Derek Anderson, that doesn't mean you play Quinn over DA..

Yes, AA has had pretty much 1 good game in extended playing time.. but unless he regresses, he can only get better and there's no way to convice me that Wade is better than AA....

and Mr. Holland... Wade has a big contract.. does that mean you play him over Sidney Rice.. he's clearly making more than Rice is... Right?? so you tell me... guys get cut all the time...

Next year, if we bring in a wide out.. say Fitz.. for arguments sake... okay!!!

I think anybody in their right mind would be more scared of seeing Fitz, Rice and Allison on the field, versus, Fitz, Rice and Wade..

<Marrdro.. for arguments sake, say, since Fitz is more of a possession guy, since i know your gonna attack from that standpoint.. say we bring in Roy Williams, or MOss, whomever is a speed guy.. (just making a point i nkow we won't actually bring these people in-atleast not next year), I think the same still holds par..

assuming you get the same production out of Allison as you did last game..being par for the course as saying that's a consistent game from Allison.. minus the KR for a TD.. strickly in the passing game...

SO, that's my argument for AA over BW... i don't see how you can compare the two as saying you'd rather have wade over AA...

PLUS half of the people on here think we OVERPAID THE GUY ANYWAY... which we did...

so i dont see how anyone in their right mind would play Wade over Aundre...

you know the guy has talent... plus he spent a few weeks or so on Mel Kipers top 25 board.. so you know he has skills.. he just slipped in to the 5th round and i think he's gonna be a steal!!!!

vikingivan
12-06-2007, 05:00 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"Purple" wrote:










we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.

One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside


You don't have to see Allison play for too long to see that he has incredible upside.
He will be a great threat for this offense sooner rather than later.
Rice should still be our number one unless we bring in someone considerably better.


I agree that allison could be with the top 4 Wr's but given that our wr's arn't that good and i really would like a FA brought in i don't think he's be a #3#4 receiver. you have 1 and 2 for Rice and the FA and #3 and #4 for T-will and Wade


Allison is waaaaaaaay better than Bobby Wade... if a receiver is brought in next year, i think it will be that guy, Rice, then allison... wade as a #4 guy.. depending on the formation... but Allison will clearly be one of our better receivers we'll have on this roster.

What makes you say that?
You all need to remember that when you think of WR and thier role in the WCO you can't just plug a guy in and hope he works.
You really need 3 different types of WR on your roster to make sure that you can effectively run the offense.

Below are two articles that will help I think.
The first kindof explain the positions and the type of players for each as well as the second actually breaks down the Vikings WR's and thier role.


The focal point and key to a successful West Coast offense, though, is the wide receiver position. Unlike other offenses, wide receivers fit into a different terminology of positions on the field. West Coast receivers have to be excellent at gaining yards after the reception, something that made retired NFL great Jerry Rice such a lethal wide receiver for the better part of two decades. They include:

Split End: This position is generally reserved for a more possession-type receiver that has a good release off the line, because the split end must line up on the line of scrimmage on the weak side of the field.

Flanker: This position gives the receiver more freedom, since he doesn't line up on the line of scrimmage and can go in motion to the weak side of the field. An illegal formation penalty will be called if there is not a wideout on the weak side of the play, whereas the tight end on the power side is on the line of scrimmage. The flanker is not technically reserved for a speedy receiver, but it does give smaller, speedier receivers more room to work.

Slot: The newer versions of the West Coast offense often use a third receiver placed in the slot instead of a second tight end. Slot receivers are generally smaller, speedier players that have trouble beating press coverage. However, some teams may use bigger players to offset this.



http://www.kffl.com/article.php/73828/488
http://www.kffl.com/article.php/71985/74


Not to knock the guy Wade.. hey he's a NFL receiver and a very rich guy... but i'll just put it this way... Your gonna build a team and need a receiver.. and your choices are b/t Bobby Wade and Aundre Allison.. who do you pick???
That in my opinion is a no-brainer.. you put the three most talented guys on the field... i don't give a crap about the kick jiggly but offensive positions that guys need to "fit" into for the WCO.. Allison is more talented and has more upside...

if you want yards after the catch... Allison has shown he can do this... wade is more of a posession receiver.. and while he's more savvy right now.. and is a decent possession receiver, i still would rather Aundre be on the field..

While he hasn't had that much P.T. obvously.. he had a key catch I think in the Atlanta game and has had some big returns for us in the kicking game... plus he's faster than wade..

So, based on body of work "this year" yeah, you'd probably say wade was more productive, but that doesn't mean he's better...

and i dont' care how much we paid for the dude... If he's being outplayed he needs to be on the field... Brady Quinn is making more money than Derek Anderson, that doesn't mean you play Quinn over DA..

Yes, AA has had pretty much 1 good game in extended playing time.. but unless he regresses, he can only get better and there's no way to convice me that Wade is better than AA....

and Mr. Holland... Wade has a big contract.. does that mean you play him over Sidney Rice.. he's clearly making more than Rice is... Right?? so you tell me... guys get cut all the time...

Next year, if we bring in a wide out.. say Fitz.. for arguments sake... okay!!!

I think anybody in their right mind would be more scared of seeing Fitz, Rice and Allison on the field, versus, Fitz, Rice and Wade..

<Marrdro.. for arguments sake, say, since Fitz is more of a possession guy, since i know your gonna attack from that standpoint.. say we bring in Roy Williams, or MOss, whomever is a speed guy.. (just making a point i nkow we won't actually bring these people in-atleast not next year), I think the same still holds par..

assuming you get the same production out of Allison as you did last game..being par for the course as saying that's a consistent game from Allison.. minus the KR for a TD.. strickly in the passing game...

SO, that's my argument for AA over BW... i don't see how you can compare the two as saying you'd rather have wade over AA...

PLUS half of the people on here think we OVERPAID THE GUY ANYWAY... which we did...

so i dont see how anyone in their right mind would play Wade over Aundre...

you know the guy has talent... plus he spent a few weeks or so on Mel Kipers top 25 board.. so you know he has skills.. he just slipped in to the 5th round and i think he's gonna be a steal!!!!


In the Vikings offensive scheme it is important that our wide receivers are good blockers.
Wade made a nice block on the AD TD run.
Wade might not be putting up huge numbers receiving, but, he is down field blocking on every run play.

Purple D
12-06-2007, 05:02 PM
Did anyone read the monday press conference, where Chilly was talking about how the refs after the game told him that they had never seen downfeild blocking by receivers as good as our receivers did that game?
Our receivers are earning their paychecks and my respect by helping this team anyway possible.
They are catching the passes and making blocks that are helping our running attack.
I think the group of guys we have is doing fine.
Nothing wrong with adding one more stud in there, but the group we have is way underrated IMO.

bleedpurple
12-06-2007, 05:38 PM
"vikingivan" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:












we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.

One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside


You don't have to see Allison play for too long to see that he has incredible upside.
He will be a great threat for this offense sooner rather than later.
Rice should still be our number one unless we bring in someone considerably better.


I agree that allison could be with the top 4 Wr's but given that our wr's arn't that good and i really would like a FA brought in i don't think he's be a #3#4 receiver. you have 1 and 2 for Rice and the FA and #3 and #4 for T-will and Wade


Allison is waaaaaaaay better than Bobby Wade... if a receiver is brought in next year, i think it will be that guy, Rice, then allison... wade as a #4 guy.. depending on the formation... but Allison will clearly be one of our better receivers we'll have on this roster.

What makes you say that?
You all need to remember that when you think of WR and thier role in the WCO you can't just plug a guy in and hope he works.
You really need 3 different types of WR on your roster to make sure that you can effectively run the offense.

Below are two articles that will help I think.
The first kindof explain the positions and the type of players for each as well as the second actually breaks down the Vikings WR's and thier role.


The focal point and key to a successful West Coast offense, though, is the wide receiver position. Unlike other offenses, wide receivers fit into a different terminology of positions on the field. West Coast receivers have to be excellent at gaining yards after the reception, something that made retired NFL great Jerry Rice such a lethal wide receiver for the better part of two decades. They include:

Split End: This position is generally reserved for a more possession-type receiver that has a good release off the line, because the split end must line up on the line of scrimmage on the weak side of the field.

Flanker: This position gives the receiver more freedom, since he doesn't line up on the line of scrimmage and can go in motion to the weak side of the field. An illegal formation penalty will be called if there is not a wideout on the weak side of the play, whereas the tight end on the power side is on the line of scrimmage. The flanker is not technically reserved for a speedy receiver, but it does give smaller, speedier receivers more room to work.

Slot: The newer versions of the West Coast offense often use a third receiver placed in the slot instead of a second tight end. Slot receivers are generally smaller, speedier players that have trouble beating press coverage. However, some teams may use bigger players to offset this.



http://www.kffl.com/article.php/73828/488
http://www.kffl.com/article.php/71985/74


Not to knock the guy Wade.. hey he's a NFL receiver and a very rich guy... but i'll just put it this way... Your gonna build a team and need a receiver.. and your choices are b/t Bobby Wade and Aundre Allison.. who do you pick???
That in my opinion is a no-brainer.. you put the three most talented guys on the field... i don't give a crap about the kick jiggly but offensive positions that guys need to "fit" into for the WCO.. Allison is more talented and has more upside...

if you want yards after the catch... Allison has shown he can do this... wade is more of a posession receiver.. and while he's more savvy right now.. and is a decent possession receiver, i still would rather Aundre be on the field..

While he hasn't had that much P.T. obvously.. he had a key catch I think in the Atlanta game and has had some big returns for us in the kicking game... plus he's faster than wade..

So, based on body of work "this year" yeah, you'd probably say wade was more productive, but that doesn't mean he's better...

and i dont' care how much we paid for the dude... If he's being outplayed he needs to be on the field... Brady Quinn is making more money than Derek Anderson, that doesn't mean you play Quinn over DA..

Yes, AA has had pretty much 1 good game in extended playing time.. but unless he regresses, he can only get better and there's no way to convice me that Wade is better than AA....

and Mr. Holland... Wade has a big contract.. does that mean you play him over Sidney Rice.. he's clearly making more than Rice is... Right?? so you tell me... guys get cut all the time...

Next year, if we bring in a wide out.. say Fitz.. for arguments sake... okay!!!

I think anybody in their right mind would be more scared of seeing Fitz, Rice and Allison on the field, versus, Fitz, Rice and Wade..

<Marrdro.. for arguments sake, say, since Fitz is more of a possession guy, since i know your gonna attack from that standpoint.. say we bring in Roy Williams, or MOss, whomever is a speed guy.. (just making a point i nkow we won't actually bring these people in-atleast not next year), I think the same still holds par..

assuming you get the same production out of Allison as you did last game..being par for the course as saying that's a consistent game from Allison.. minus the KR for a TD.. strickly in the passing game...

SO, that's my argument for AA over BW... i don't see how you can compare the two as saying you'd rather have wade over AA...

PLUS half of the people on here think we OVERPAID THE GUY ANYWAY... which we did...

so i dont see how anyone in their right mind would play Wade over Aundre...

you know the guy has talent... plus he spent a few weeks or so on Mel Kipers top 25 board.. so you know he has skills.. he just slipped in to the 5th round and i think he's gonna be a steal!!!!


In the Vikings offensive scheme it is important that our wide receivers are good blockers.
Wade made a nice block on the AD TD run.
Wade might not be putting up huge numbers receiving, but, he is down field blocking on every run play.


what does that have to do with the price of tea in China????
we were talking about receiving skills... you act like AA can't block!!
or doesn't block well...

and it's not about stats, it's about making plays.. and IMO AA with more PT could make more plays than BW

BigMoInAZ
12-06-2007, 10:38 PM
"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"SKOL" wrote:


At the office today, around the water cooler, we were talking about TJacks one, and only, mistake of the afternoon.


The game was well at hand, so we could all laugh about it, but what was that?
At the 5 yard line, with plenty of time TJack throws it, on a rope, to the lone player on that part of the field, a Detroit Lion.
The guy must have been 5 yards out of position if the ball was thrown anywhere close to one of our receivers.
But TJack hits him in the numbers.


I don't mean to bring up a negative, but we all got a big chuckle out of that.
Maybe Childress wasn't trying to run up the score after all?




I've yet to see a good replay of that play, not sure what TJack saw or what he was trying to do.
Obviously it was a mistake, I just couldn't tell how big of one because I didn't get to see a receiver.
Sometimes QBs look right past LBs to their WR... they are looking for CB and Safety coverage and don't see the LB right in front of them.Here's a great view of it at the end of the film!
TJack was trying to get the ball to B. Wade and you could tell by the trajectory he obviously thought Wade was running a comeback route.
Lion CB T. Fisher was waiting in the wings as they were in a nickel or dime defense cause Fisher was at an OLB position at the start of the play!
These little things would hurt if the team didn't have a 32 point lead, but if Wade was confused and was running a corner route you'd have to ask why?
The guy is only 5'9" tall so he's not the right person to be throwing a fade corner pass too and the comeback is definetly Wades bread and butter route on this offense.
JM2CW!
Enjoyhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=gQw-vjtAf_U

ultravikingfan
12-06-2007, 10:41 PM
"BigMoInAZ" wrote:


"BleedinPandG" wrote:


"SKOL" wrote:


At the office today, around the water cooler, we were talking about TJacks one, and only, mistake of the afternoon.


The game was well at hand, so we could all laugh about it, but what was that?
At the 5 yard line, with plenty of time TJack throws it, on a rope, to the lone player on that part of the field, a Detroit Lion.
The guy must have been 5 yards out of position if the ball was thrown anywhere close to one of our receivers.
But TJack hits him in the numbers.


I don't mean to bring up a negative, but we all got a big chuckle out of that.
Maybe Childress wasn't trying to run up the score after all?




I've yet to see a good replay of that play, not sure what TJack saw or what he was trying to do.
Obviously it was a mistake, I just couldn't tell how big of one because I didn't get to see a receiver.
Sometimes QBs look right past LBs to their WR... they are looking for CB and Safety coverage and don't see the LB right in front of them.Here's a great view of it at the end of the film!
TJack was trying to get the ball to B. Wade and you could tell by the trajectory he obviously thought Wade was running a comeback route.
Lion CB T. Fisher was waiting in the wings as they were in a nickel or dime defense cause Fisher was at an OLB position at the start of the play!
These little things would hurt if the team didn't have a 32 point lead, but if Wade was confused and was running a corner route you'd have to ask why?
The guy is only 5'9" tall so he's not the right person to be throwing a fade corner pass too and the comeback is definetly Wades bread and butter route on this offense.
JM2CW!
Enjoyhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=gQw-vjtAf_U


Thanks for linking the vid I made.

We are discssuing it here.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=40292.0

SKOL
12-06-2007, 11:07 PM
Thanks for putting it here too BigMo... not sure I would have spotted it in the other spot.

ultravikingfan
12-06-2007, 11:27 PM
"SKOL" wrote:


Thanks for putting it here too BigMo... not sure I would have spotted it in the other spot.


Thanks, I only made the thing.
:-

BigMoInAZ
12-07-2007, 02:53 AM
"SKOL" wrote:


Thanks for putting it here too BigMo... not sure I would have spotted it in the other spot.
My pleasure SKOL!
And yes Ultra must have made it!
I got the link off the Kansas Viking website!
Thanks Krulik!http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6403/splinternr8.jpg ;D

cogitans
12-07-2007, 04:05 AM
"BigMoInAZ" wrote:


"SKOL" wrote:


Thanks for putting it here too BigMo... not sure I would have spotted it in the other spot.
My pleasure SKOL!
And yes Ultra must have made it!
I got the link off the Kansas Viking website!
Thanks Krulik!http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6403/splinternr8.jpg ;D
Funny how things travel around

Marrdro
12-07-2007, 08:43 AM
My friend, you are either way confused or missed my whole point.
I will go with the later as sometimes I don't explain myself well without a beer in my hand.
;D

I am not sure why/how you got off on such a tangent and feel that you need to defend AA as a viable reciever on this team.
I don't think anyone will argue with you that he has alot of talent and will be a very good reciever in this scheme, however, you seem to be missing the point that everybody (including the recievers) have a role in the grander scheme of things, have been drafted or signed because they have those talents and play at those positions.

To try to argue that AA and B-wade are better or not based on thier talents and how they fit in this scheme is just crazy.
Thier roles are significantly different and can't be compared.

With that said,.........


Not to knock the guy Wade.. hey he's a NFL receiver and a very rich guy... but i'll just put it this way... Your gonna build a team and need a receiver.. and your choices are b/t Bobby Wade and Aundre Allison.. who do you pick???
That in my opinion is a no-brainer.. you put the three most talented guys on the field... i don't give a crap about the kick jiggly but offensive positions that guys need to "fit" into for the WCO.. Allison is more talented and has more upside...



if you want yards after the catch... Allison has shown he can do this... wade is more of a posession receiver.. and while he's more savvy right now.. and is a decent possession receiver, i still would rather Aundre be on the field..

So your telling me you would put talent over scheme?
The Dolphins did that with Ted Ginn Jr.. How is that working out for them?

Don't get me wrong, I love Allison's upside, but if I was picking recievers for the Scheme, the first guy I would go with is the possession guy especially if I was gonna try and groom/grow a raw but talented QB to run the system.
Especially if I had a new blocking scheme being implemented by OL.
That alone would make me want to pick a guy who could get open quick and catch the ball in traffic.


We say how well our QB's did last year without a WR who could catch.
;D


While he hasn't had that much P.T. obvously.. he had a key catch I think in the Atlanta game and has had some big returns for us in the kicking game... plus he's faster than wade..

So, based on body of work "this year" yeah, you'd probably say wade was more productive, but that doesn't mean he's better...

Not gonna slam on you here, but I've seen this a thousand times, in fact we have a thread going on just like this about Bush
;D.
A guy makes one or two good plays and then he is the second coming.

With that said, however, Show me were I said that anyone was better or worse.
All I gave you were the roles that the recievers play in this scheme and thier stats.
For this arguments sake the stats don't lie.
B-wade has been very (considering how unproductive this offense has been) productive in his role.
A role, by the way, that AA wasn't brought in to play.



and i dont' care how much we paid for the dude... If he's being outplayed he needs to be on the field... Brady Quinn is making more money than Derek Anderson, that doesn't mean you play Quinn over DA..


How did pay vs play get into this?
Regardless, are you telling me that B-wade is being outplayed by AA?
How the heck can you make that statement if that is what you mean.
Maybe I am missread your statement or something.


Yes, AA has had pretty much 1 good game in extended playing time.. but unless he regresses, he can only get better and there's no way to convice me that Wade is better than AA....


See it is statements like this that worrry me my friend.
Its my job to try to convince you otherwise.
If I can't do that then PPO would be boring.
;D (JK That was a joke my friend).

Seriously, he will get better.
I never said in my post that he is crap, is gonna be crap, will always be crap.
Again, I must be confused and you are addressing another poster.



<Marrdro.. for arguments sake, say, since Fitz is more of a possession guy, since i know your gonna attack from that standpoint.. say we bring in Roy Williams, or MOss, whomever is a speed guy.. (just making a point i nkow we won't actually bring these people in-atleast not next year), I think the same still holds par..
Its a silly question my friend.
Sure I would love to see another Vet WR like Fritz on this team but you have to understand that Fritz, if brought in, would be brought in to do different types of things than B-wade my friend.
Again, back to the whole talent fits the role of the player in the scheme argument that you discounted.

If we went with a 2 WR set you wouldn't even see B-wade or AA on the field as both of them would be on the bench in this system.
Under your scenario you would probably see T-will/Rice and Fritz on the field with a TE or a RB drifting out as a dumpoff if the blocking scheme allowed with the speedy (T-will/Rice) guy stretching the field and the Big strong guy (Fritz) running a deep crossing route or a slant.


SO, that's my argument for AA over BW... i don't see how you can compare the two as saying you'd rather have wade over AA...
Again, you missunderstanding my comments I think if you think this discussion is over a comparrison of wanting one over the other.
I would want them both my friend.

Look, its not that I would want B-wade over AA but that I would use them in different roles as defined by the scheme, what package the D had on the field and what play(s) I had dialed up.


If I wanted to run a bunch of quick slants in heavy traffice and needed the WR to run precise timed routes I would go with B-wade/TE.
If I wanted to runner deeper routes like some crossing patterns or skinny posts I would run AA/Fritz/TE, if I wanted to stretch the D and push it upfield on them I would go with Rice/T-will.
Ultimately though, for the WCO to be effective, I would like to have the luxury of running all 3 patterns plus have a killer RB standing in the backfield waiting to run it or catch it in the area vacated by my WR's.

Again, it isn't as simple as saying I like him over B-wade or think he would be a better player.
Each has a role.
That is why it is a team sport my friend.


PLUS half of the people on here think we OVERPAID THE GUY ANYWAY... which we did...

so i dont see how anyone in their right mind would play Wade over Aundre...

you know the guy has talent... plus he spent a few weeks or so on Mel Kipers top 25 board.. so you know he has skills.. he just slipped in to the 5th round and i think he's gonna be a steal!!!!

Bryzcheapski never over payes my friend.
I am on his ass alot, but that is one thing he didn't do.
When this offense starts clicking you will see that B-wade and Shank will be worth every penny.

Take a quick look at the games we have had a passing attack in and you will see that although B-wade didn't have the sexy long ball, he did make key catches that moved the chains, kept the offense on the field and our defense off the field and in a couple of instances set us up in pretty damn good field position for a TD or two.
;D

Purple D
12-07-2007, 08:57 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"vikingivan" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:














we desperately need a new Wr.. the guys we have now are hopeless ( Except Rice ) wade isn't all that good either..


I think our Recievers are not as bad as everyone thinks.
Rice will be a pro bowler in the future and Allison will probably be in the top 4 next year if not by the end of this year and Wade is actually a good slot receiver.

One More good Receiver in the Offseason and we will have a pretty solid crew.

who tells you Allison will be in the top 4 next year? by the good catch he had?



Probably his upside


You don't have to see Allison play for too long to see that he has incredible upside.
He will be a great threat for this offense sooner rather than later.
Rice should still be our number one unless we bring in someone considerably better.


I agree that allison could be with the top 4 Wr's but given that our wr's arn't that good and i really would like a FA brought in i don't think he's be a #3#4 receiver. you have 1 and 2 for Rice and the FA and #3 and #4 for T-will and Wade


Allison is waaaaaaaay better than Bobby Wade... if a receiver is brought in next year, i think it will be that guy, Rice, then allison... wade as a #4 guy.. depending on the formation... but Allison will clearly be one of our better receivers we'll have on this roster.

What makes you say that?
You all need to remember that when you think of WR and thier role in the WCO you can't just plug a guy in and hope he works.
You really need 3 different types of WR on your roster to make sure that you can effectively run the offense.

Below are two articles that will help I think.
The first kindof explain the positions and the type of players for each as well as the second actually breaks down the Vikings WR's and thier role.


The focal point and key to a successful West Coast offense, though, is the wide receiver position. Unlike other offenses, wide receivers fit into a different terminology of positions on the field. West Coast receivers have to be excellent at gaining yards after the reception, something that made retired NFL great Jerry Rice such a lethal wide receiver for the better part of two decades. They include:

Split End: This position is generally reserved for a more possession-type receiver that has a good release off the line, because the split end must line up on the line of scrimmage on the weak side of the field.

Flanker: This position gives the receiver more freedom, since he doesn't line up on the line of scrimmage and can go in motion to the weak side of the field. An illegal formation penalty will be called if there is not a wideout on the weak side of the play, whereas the tight end on the power side is on the line of scrimmage. The flanker is not technically reserved for a speedy receiver, but it does give smaller, speedier receivers more room to work.

Slot: The newer versions of the West Coast offense often use a third receiver placed in the slot instead of a second tight end. Slot receivers are generally smaller, speedier players that have trouble beating press coverage. However, some teams may use bigger players to offset this.



http://www.kffl.com/article.php/73828/488
http://www.kffl.com/article.php/71985/74


Not to knock the guy Wade.. hey he's a NFL receiver and a very rich guy... but i'll just put it this way... Your gonna build a team and need a receiver.. and your choices are b/t Bobby Wade and Aundre Allison.. who do you pick???
That in my opinion is a no-brainer.. you put the three most talented guys on the field... i don't give a crap about the kick jiggly but offensive positions that guys need to "fit" into for the WCO.. Allison is more talented and has more upside...

if you want yards after the catch... Allison has shown he can do this... wade is more of a posession receiver.. and while he's more savvy right now.. and is a decent possession receiver, i still would rather Aundre be on the field..

While he hasn't had that much P.T. obvously.. he had a key catch I think in the Atlanta game and has had some big returns for us in the kicking game... plus he's faster than wade..

So, based on body of work "this year" yeah, you'd probably say wade was more productive, but that doesn't mean he's better...

and i dont' care how much we paid for the dude... If he's being outplayed he needs to be on the field... Brady Quinn is making more money than Derek Anderson, that doesn't mean you play Quinn over DA..

Yes, AA has had pretty much 1 good game in extended playing time.. but unless he regresses, he can only get better and there's no way to convice me that Wade is better than AA....

and Mr. Holland... Wade has a big contract.. does that mean you play him over Sidney Rice.. he's clearly making more than Rice is... Right?? so you tell me... guys get cut all the time...

Next year, if we bring in a wide out.. say Fitz.. for arguments sake... okay!!!

I think anybody in their right mind would be more scared of seeing Fitz, Rice and Allison on the field, versus, Fitz, Rice and Wade..

<Marrdro.. for arguments sake, say, since Fitz is more of a possession guy, since i know your gonna attack from that standpoint.. say we bring in Roy Williams, or MOss, whomever is a speed guy.. (just making a point i nkow we won't actually bring these people in-atleast not next year), I think the same still holds par..

assuming you get the same production out of Allison as you did last game..being par for the course as saying that's a consistent game from Allison.. minus the KR for a TD.. strickly in the passing game...

SO, that's my argument for AA over BW... i don't see how you can compare the two as saying you'd rather have wade over AA...

PLUS half of the people on here think we OVERPAID THE GUY ANYWAY... which we did...

so i dont see how anyone in their right mind would play Wade over Aundre...

you know the guy has talent... plus he spent a few weeks or so on Mel Kipers top 25 board.. so you know he has skills.. he just slipped in to the 5th round and i think he's gonna be a steal!!!!


In the Vikings offensive scheme it is important that our wide receivers are good blockers.
Wade made a nice block on the AD TD run.
Wade might not be putting up huge numbers receiving, but, he is down field blocking on every run play.


what does that have to do with the price of tea in China????
we were talking about receiving skills... you act like AA can't block!!
or doesn't block well...

and it's not about stats, it's about making plays.. and IMO AA with more PT could make more plays than BW




Our WR crew should be Rice, Wade, Allison,ferguson,and Williamson in that order IMO. I don't think Wade is overpaid. He went for the going price.
If we offered him less he might of went somewhere else for what we are paying him now.
All of the WR's on this team can do their job.
Because of the early problems at QB this season, we have not been able to see this Crew's full potential.
I think the better TJ gets this year the better the WR crew will be.
It just takes a little time and a little patience on our part.

SKOL
12-07-2007, 05:34 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"SKOL" wrote:


Thanks for putting it here too BigMo... not sure I would have spotted it in the other spot.


Thanks, I only made the thing.

:-\


lol, thanks to you too Ultra!!