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singersp
11-23-2007, 09:33 AM
EX-GIANT SHIANCOE DELIVERS FOR VIKINGS (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11232007/sports/giants/ex_giant_shiancoe_delivers_for_vikings_930518.htm)

By PAUL SCHWARTZ
nypost.com

November 23, 2007


The Giants were not particularly interested in re-signing tight end Visanthe Shiancoe to a lucrative contract after he did not develop as expected in his four years with the team.

singersp
11-23-2007, 09:35 AM
The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

Marrdro
11-23-2007, 09:38 AM
"singersp" wrote:



The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.


I think he will.

Kindof makes one think though, if they didn't pay a bit more for B-wade and Shank this year if for nothing else than to get at the 85%tile of what has to be spent as dictated by the league.

One can never know what ole Bryzcheapski is doing when he manipulates the dollars, but that league mandate must be followed.

singersp
11-24-2007, 08:24 AM
Catching up with former Giant tight end Visanthe Shiancoe, now with Vikings (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2007/11/24/2007-11-24_catching_up_with_former_giant_tight_end_-1.html)

BY RALPH VACCHIANO
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Saturday, November 24th 2007, 4:00 AM


Visanthe Shiancoe sneaked into town a few days ago and ran into a couple of his old Giants teammates, and immediately they could tell there was something different about the man who was buried behind Jeremy Shockey for four years as the Giants' backup tight end....

Vikes_King
11-24-2007, 08:30 AM
i hope Shiancoe has at least 60 yards total & a TD reception, and all but shut down Shockey.

I'm sure that would just make Shockey happy as can be, since we all know how calm he is ::)

Purple Floyd
11-24-2007, 10:23 AM
"singersp" wrote:



The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

singersp
11-24-2007, 11:41 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

C Mac D
11-25-2007, 12:13 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.


Because Brad Childress is such a genius, obviously.

cogitans
11-25-2007, 04:03 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

Purple Floyd
11-25-2007, 10:08 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


If that is the case then you really need to wonder what Childress saw or thought he saw that made him so confident in what he had going into the season.

IMO the problems early came from the poor line play and the fact that that the QB's didn't have the time for the TE to get to the seam.

The thing that I see is that the talent we have even after all of the turnover since Tice left is that we are physically more suited to the offense that he installed when he was hired which was also much like Denny Green used when he was first hired. Those schemes used 2 tight ends and that really helped the running game and also got the tight ends more involved. And with our lack of a QB who can go down the field or WR's who can make those deep catches it also fits.

The team has gone to those 2 TE sets more in the past 4 games or so and has been successful when it has.

singersp
11-25-2007, 10:28 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)

Rastak
11-25-2007, 10:33 AM
I think the Vikings could get the TE involved over the middle and in the seams therein if they had a friggen QB. Everything keeps coming back to that glaring hole in the Vikes offense.

cogitans
11-25-2007, 11:23 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:



The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.

V-Unit
11-25-2007, 11:31 AM
"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:





The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"

cogitans
11-25-2007, 11:39 AM
"V" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:







The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"
But as much as we liked to see Wiggins hurdle some defenders, and catch a lot of short dump offs, he couldn't get a job even with the Jags.

One thing I also see when I watch our Vikings on sundays is, that fx. T. Richardson are catching those passes that would go to Wiggins in the old scheme.

bleedpurple
11-27-2007, 02:57 PM
"V" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:







The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"


Shank is an upgrade over Wiggins... not even close.. they just don't throw him the ball enough... but he has more speed, is a better blocker, more athletic and can catch just as good... if that's not an upgrade... not sure what is...

DustinDupont
11-27-2007, 03:03 PM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:









The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"


Shank is an upgrade over Wiggins... not even close.. they just don't throw him the ball enough... but he has more speed, is a better blocker, more athletic and can catch just as good... if that's not an upgrade... not sure what is...


well yeah shank is an upgrade... but we did give the dough so i still expect more from him, even tho over the last view games he has played a lot better

Marrdro
11-27-2007, 03:14 PM
"cogitans" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:









The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"
But as much as we liked to see Wiggins hurdle some defenders, and catch a lot of short dump offs, he couldn't get a job even with the Jags.

One thing I also see when I watch our Vikings on sundays is, that fx. T. Richardson are catching those passes that would go to Wiggins in the old scheme.

A very nice point my friend, which also should include that he couldn't stick with the team even with Tice on the staff.

Face it my friends, players, no matter how much we like them get old, slow and don't fit the mold anymore.
Time for them to move on.


In this case, it was time to move on to retirement.

I for one believe that as our OL starts to get a clue on how to provide our QB consistent pass protection (they aren't there quiet yet but getting close) our TE's, RB's and FB's will become a more prevalent feature in the offense, especially in the passing game.

Lest we forget, a brief description of the TE's role in the WCO.

http://football.calsci.com/Positions3.html

Purple Floyd
11-27-2007, 04:33 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:











The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"
But as much as we liked to see Wiggins hurdle some defenders, and catch a lot of short dump offs, he couldn't get a job even with the Jags.

One thing I also see when I watch our Vikings on sundays is, that fx. T. Richardson are catching those passes that would go to Wiggins in the old scheme.

A very nice point my friend, which also should include that he couldn't stick with the team even with Tice on the staff.

Face it my friends, players, no matter how much we like them get old, slow and don't fit the mold anymore.
Time for them to move on.


In this case, it was time to move on to retirement.

I for one believe that as our OL starts to get a clue on how to provide our QB consistent pass protection (they aren't there quiet yet but getting close) our TE's, RB's and FB's will become a more prevalent feature in the offense, especially in the passing game.

Lest we forget, a brief description of the TE's role in the WCO.

http://football.calsci.com/Positions3.html


How about in a 2 tight end offense like we are headed to?
;D ;D ;D

Potus2028
11-27-2007, 05:13 PM
doesnt matter how fast a TE shiancoe is if we never throw to him..

we gotta get the ball to him.

richardson shouldnt be taking those catches. one bad catch, and they'll have to put him back on his wheelchair to get him out of the game, if he's ever in it: Tony Rinjurdson.

Get the ball to shiancoe! we're paying him, may as well make him earn it

jargomcfargo
11-27-2007, 05:38 PM
He's doing a lot of blocking right now. As TJ improves at reading the blitzes and adjusting, Shiancoe will catch more passes.
He's done well when called on. And we are a 2 tight end squad already to some degree.

seaniemck7
11-27-2007, 05:53 PM
"V" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:







The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"


I think you are judging Shincoe's talents a little too soon.
Two factors make me feel we should give him more time to judge his overall value.

1. Our line doesn't block consistantly well in the passing game. Being a tight end,
he has been needed to help stay in and block.
Check out the production of Cooley to start the year (first 4 games) when the Redskins had a plethora of injuries to their starting line. He averaged 2.5 catches and 20 yards a game. Now granted he caught 3 TDs, but he is not stretching the field when his best yardage game is a total of 26 yards.

2.
Our QBs have lacked consistant play and have been in a constant rotation due to injuries. Other than our running game our pass attack has been pretty much shit save a couple of 60 yarders.
One only has to take a peak at Vernon Davis and his production in SF.
He has put up a couple of good weeks, but also some real stinkers like 2 rec for 4 yds; 2 rec for 23 yds; 4 rec for 22 yds; 1 rec for 4 yds.
Does this mean Davis sucks?
Hell no.
He is stuck in an anemic passing offense.

I will reserve my judgement on Shank for later.

Marrdro
11-27-2007, 06:06 PM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:









The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"


I think you are judging Shincoe's talents a little too soon.
Two factors make me feel we should give him more time to judge his overall value.

1. Our line doesn't block consistantly well in the passing game. Being a tight end,
he has been needed to help stay in and block.
Check out the production of Cooley to start the year (first 4 games) when the Redskins had a plethora of injuries to their starting line. He averaged 2.5 catches and 20 yards a game. Now granted he caught 3 TDs, but he is not stretching the field when his best yardage game is a total of 26 yards.

2.
Our QBs have lacked consistant play and have been in a constant rotation due to injuries. Other than our running game our pass attack has been pretty much pooh save a couple of 60 yarders.
One only has to take a peak at Vernon Davis and his production in SF.
He has put up a couple of good weeks, but also some real stinkers like 2 rec for 4 yds; 2 rec for 23 yds; 4 rec for 22 yds; 1 rec for 4 yds.
Does this mean Davis sucks?
Hell no.
He is stuck in an anemic passing offense.

I will reserve my judgement on Shank for later.

Very nice post my friend.
;D

V-Unit
11-27-2007, 06:44 PM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"cogitans" wrote:


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"cogitans" wrote:









The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.



I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.


I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.
I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.


As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.
:)
I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.


Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"


I think you are judging Shincoe's talents a little too soon.
Two factors make me feel we should give him more time to judge his overall value.

1. Our line doesn't block consistantly well in the passing game. Being a tight end,
he has been needed to help stay in and block.
Check out the production of Cooley to start the year (first 4 games) when the Redskins had a plethora of injuries to their starting line. He averaged 2.5 catches and 20 yards a game. Now granted he caught 3 TDs, but he is not stretching the field when his best yardage game is a total of 26 yards.

2.
Our QBs have lacked consistant play and have been in a constant rotation due to injuries. Other than our running game our pass attack has been pretty much shit save a couple of 60 yarders.
One only has to take a peak at Vernon Davis and his production in SF.
He has put up a couple of good weeks, but also some real stinkers like 2 rec for 4 yds; 2 rec for 23 yds; 4 rec for 22 yds; 1 rec for 4 yds.
Does this mean Davis sucks?
Hell no.
He is stuck in an anemic passing offense.

I will reserve my judgement on Shank for later.


Saying he wasn't an uprgrade was an overstatement, I'll admit that.

Shiancoe has had some solid games, but has also put up some complete duds. If he were getting 2 catches a game, I wouldn't have much to complain about.

Yes our passing offense is anemic, that's a great point. I for one hold our receivers more responsible for that than our line. Better blocking might benefit Shiancoe's receiving production, but I think if we had a true #1 receiver that defenses had to respect, that would benefit him more. Right now defenses focus on trying to take away the run and short passes, which is probably why the deep ball is starting to work.

Basically I think the solution is to have Rice and Williamson stretch the field and let Shiancoe and Wade roam the middle. Nothing Shiancoe has shown me (no, not even the deep pass against Oakland, it was a fake WR reverse pass for chrissakes) makes me think he can stretch the field.