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skum
11-11-2007, 05:15 PM
There are many many Vikings fans who have jumped the fire Childress bandwagon right now and i just wanted to here what kind of other coaches you had in mind, who could coach the Vikes.

Everyone talks about Marty Schottenheimer and Bill Cowher, but realisticly i dont think that the Vikings is a team that many guys would want to coach given the mess that we are in right now.

Dont get me wrong, i would love for one of those to come in and coach the Vikings but i am just going to bring up some names that might be totally ridiculous and people are going to think that i am a stupid, but take it for what you want.

No given order, so #1 is not my #1 at all, these are just guys that we realisticly could end up with if we fire Brad Childress.

Many of the guys in here want a coach who have already coached in the NFL.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/sioncampus/11/10/college/p1_mariucci2.jpg
Steve Mariucci
Career regular season record: 72 - 67 - 0 (0.518)
Career postseason record: 3 - 4

Formerly with the Lions of the NFC North and the 49ers.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/_photos/2006-01-12-in-mularkey.jpg
Mike Mularkey
Career regular season record: 14 - 18 - 0 (0.438)
Career postseason record: 0 - 0

Former Buffalo Bills headcoach, now an assistant for the Miami Dolphins.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/image/2001/sbxxxv/jim114.jpg
Jim Fassel
Career regular season record: 58 - 53 - 1 (0.522)
Career postseason record: 2 - 3

Former Giants HC.

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/apmegasports/200609241836224090766-pf.hmedium.jpg
Dennis Green
Career regular season record: 113 - 94 - 0 (0.546)
Career postseason record: 4 - 8

Former Vikings and Cardinals HC

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/photos/uncategorized/sflscottph111406.jpg
Scott Linehan(given that he is fired from the Rams)
Career regular season record: 8 - 16 - 0 (0.333)
Career postseason record: 0 - 0

Former Vikings OC and current Rams HC(add they won today)

What guys did you have in mind outside of Cowher and/or Marty.

SpanishVikingo
11-11-2007, 05:20 PM
Ron Rivera?

Schutz
11-11-2007, 05:22 PM
Mike #$%@%$# Ditka

http://www.angelfire.com/theforce2/hunter24/MikeDitka.bmp

GreenBaySlackers
11-11-2007, 05:24 PM
Alot of people here in Cincinnati are calling for lewis' head.
Thought I'd throw that out there.


I really want a HC who will come in and change the Defensive Scheme.
We are too talented to play this soft zone bullshit.

tb04512
11-11-2007, 05:28 PM
out of them id go with mooch

Garland Greene
11-11-2007, 05:29 PM
Linehan I would not mind to see back here as a OC but not as the HC.

scottishvike
11-11-2007, 05:35 PM
I've never been a fan of talking to people about jobs when other people are still in them but in this case I would make an exception. Wilf should sound out Marty and Cowher to see if they would take the job, either say yes and it's bye bye Brad time.

NDVikingFan66
11-11-2007, 05:39 PM
Sorry....I can't do Marty.....

I have had enough of getting to the playoffs only to fail once we get there.

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 05:46 PM
"NDVikingFan66" wrote:


Sorry....I can't do Marty.....

I have had enough of getting to the playoffs only to fail once we get there.




At this point, I'd kill for a playoff team. At least it makes the season fun to watch. I just want Chilly GONE.

scottishvike
11-11-2007, 05:47 PM
"NDVikingFan66" wrote:


Sorry....I can't do Marty.....

I have had enough of getting to the playoffs only to fail once we get there.




I've always liked him, San Diego were mighty impressive last year in the regular season and I don't think losing to the Pats is a disgrace by any means. OK his play-off record apart from that is bad but I'd still take him.

GreenBaySlackers
11-11-2007, 05:49 PM
HC- I don't know...

OC- Linehan, and he can bring Marc Bulger with him.
I don't care if we throw a few more INT's at this point, I just want to be able to move the ball.
I don't want a game manager, I want someone who will take it on themselves.

jessejames09
11-11-2007, 05:51 PM
Coaches do the same thing in the playoffs as they do in the season. It's not like he stops watching film come playoffs. He'll win one some day (with AD).

vikinggreg
11-11-2007, 05:58 PM
"scottishvike" wrote:


"NDVikingFan66" wrote:


Sorry....I can't do Marty.....

I have had enough of getting to the playoffs only to fail once we get there.




I've always liked him, San Diego were mighty impressive last year in the regular season and I don't think losing to the Pats is a disgrace by any means. OK his play-off record apart from that is bad but I'd still take him.


I think Marty could really do well with this team with AP, Oline and the defensive players

jkjuggalo
11-11-2007, 06:00 PM
How about college coaches?

I like:

Rutgers coach Greg Schiano (sp?)

Florida coach Urban Meyer

Iowa coach Kirk Ference

In that order

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 06:01 PM
"skum" wrote:



http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/apmegasports/200609241836224090766-pf.hmedium.jpg
Dennis Green
Career regular season record: 113 - 94 - 0 (0.546)
Career postseason record: 4 - 8

Former Vikings and Cardinals HC



Damn Skum.
You made me spit my beer through my nose when I saw that.

Denny was a very good coach (IMHO), but a) he burnt too many bridges to come back, and b) he ego got in the way of his performance.
Kind of like the Randy Moss of head coaches...

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 06:03 PM
"C" wrote:


"NDVikingFan66" wrote:


Sorry....I can't do Marty.....

I have had enough of getting to the playoffs only to fail once we get there.




At this point, I'd kill for a playoff team. At least it makes the season fun to watch. I just want Chilly GONE.


I gotta agree with C Mac (God that leaves a dirty taste in my mouth).
This will most likely be our third straight year without a playoff appearance, and the two appearances under Tice weren't because we were good, but because everyone else was that bad...

Schutz
11-11-2007, 06:04 PM
http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news96/10vike0823.l.jpg

NDVikingFan66
11-11-2007, 06:04 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


Coaches do the same thing in the playoffs as they do in the season. It's not like he stops watching film come playoffs. He'll win one some day (with AD).


I am not so sure.....his teams are wore down come post season.

He practices longer and harder than most head coaches from what i have read and heard, and he does not let up for rest as the season nears the end.
Football is a long season and a brutal sport, and breaks are a necessary evil.
Now, I am not saying stop working hard, just find a better balance.

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 06:06 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news96/10vike0823.l.jpg


Damn! Beer through the nose again!

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 06:07 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news96/10vike0823.l.jpg


I like your style, Dude.

Tice had the players' respect... which Chilly (if he had any at all) lost this past week.

GreenBaySlackers
11-11-2007, 06:19 PM
Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?

Purplemania
11-11-2007, 06:19 PM
Mooch? no.
Mularkey? Get out.
Dennis Green? April Fools?
Tice? Will literally make me go into the sniping business.

Marty? Perhaps. I'm not as impressed with him as others. LT carried his team and success really....The reason for the Chargers downfall this year is LT slowing down and Rivers taking a step back. (And Norv being the worst HC ever) Now Marty is quite discipline but I don't think his mindset and concepts will make us a better team.

Cowher? DING DING DING DING! I'd love to have him as a HC. I just don't know if he's interested. Hopefully AP is enough to lure him in. muahaha

Jimmy Johnson? Give it to me baby, uh huh uh huh

So I guess I'll only be super excited about specifically two coaches, but either way, firing Chilly will make me super opportunistic. =D

vikes2456
11-11-2007, 06:22 PM
Cowher! Cowher! Cowher!

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 06:23 PM
"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 06:23 PM
"vikes2456" wrote:


Cowher! Cowher! Cowher!



Money! Money! Money!


but I'd still love to see it.

GreenBaySlackers
11-11-2007, 06:27 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.


OK, then pressure him into retiring.
Throw a brick through his window.

Purplemania
11-11-2007, 06:27 PM
"C" wrote:


"vikes2456" wrote:


Cowher! Cowher! Cowher!



Money! Money! Money!


but I'd still love to see it.


Lure him out with big money and a ticket to the next boating ;)

vikes2456
11-11-2007, 06:29 PM
"Purplemania" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"vikes2456" wrote:


Cowher! Cowher! Cowher!



Money! Money! Money!


but I'd still love to see it.


Lure him out with big money and a ticket to the next boating ;)


Childress would make a great anchor

Schutz
11-11-2007, 06:30 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.


Darn right, we'll ride this sinking boat to the bottom of the ocean before we'd think about abandoning ship.

GreenBaySlackers
11-11-2007, 06:31 PM
"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.


OK, then pressure him into retiring.
Throw a brick through his window.



Actually, thinking about it, unless we realisticly think we can get Cowher or Jimmy Johnson, most coordinators aren't really going to care how the coach was treated last year.
They are going to interview because they want to be Head Coaches and this would be an opportunity.
It also shows a commitment to winning, so i don't really think it would deter too many free agents.

GreenBaySlackers
11-11-2007, 06:32 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.


Darn right, we'll ride this sinking boat to the bottom of the ocean before we'd think about abandoning ship.


Knowing when to move on is part of growing up

PurpleGator
11-11-2007, 06:33 PM
"C" wrote:


"vikes2456" wrote:


Cowher! Cowher! Cowher!



Money! Money! Money!


but I'd still love to see it.


I would take a mop over Childress.

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 06:43 PM
"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.


OK, then pressure him into retiring.
Throw a brick through his window.



Actually, thinking about it, unless we realisticly think we can get Cowher or Jimmy Johnson, most coordinators aren't really going to care how the coach was treated last year.
They are going to interview because they want to be Head Coaches and this would be an opportunity.
It also shows a commitment to winning, so i don't really think it would deter too many free agents.


Are you kidding me?
What coordinator would want to come to a team that had no offense, has no solution at QB or WR, and an owner that has no quams about firing the HC after a season and a half?

It would be a horrible, horrible move by Wilf.

GreenBaySlackers
11-11-2007, 06:45 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.


OK, then pressure him into retiring.
Throw a brick through his window.



Actually, thinking about it, unless we realisticly think we can get Cowher or Jimmy Johnson, most coordinators aren't really going to care how the coach was treated last year.
They are going to interview because they want to be Head Coaches and this would be an opportunity.
It also shows a commitment to winning, so i don't really think it would deter too many free agents.


Are you kidding me?
What coordinator would want to come to a team that had no offense, has no solution at QB or WR, and an owner that has no quams about firing the HC after a season and a half?

It would be a horrible, horrible move by Wilf.



You may be right, but i don't think it would be all that bad.
just like in politics these coaches will take any opportunity to advance their careers.

jkjuggalo
11-11-2007, 06:50 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.


OK, then pressure him into retiring.
Throw a brick through his window.



Actually, thinking about it, unless we realisticly think we can get Cowher or Jimmy Johnson, most coordinators aren't really going to care how the coach was treated last year.
They are going to interview because they want to be Head Coaches and this would be an opportunity.
It also shows a commitment to winning, so i don't really think it would deter too many free agents.


Are you kidding me?
What coordinator would want to come to a team that had no offense, has no solution at QB or WR, and an owner that has no quams about firing the HC after a season and a half?

It would be a horrible, horrible move by Wilf.


A coordinator that sees the potential pieces on offense and has confidence in their coaching abilities?
At the end of the year, out of all the teams looking for new head coaches (please God), we will be the cream of the crop with our defense and our running game.
The coach would have to fix up the offense with a new scheme and some new players.
So what?
What team in the market for a coach won't have to repair aspects of their respective teams?
Honestly, any coach that is paying attention to the Vikings at all could see that Childress deserves to get canned and would not be shocked that we only gave him a year and a half.

Schutz
11-11-2007, 06:50 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


Fire Brad right now and let frasier interim HC the rest of the year.
Then maybe Rex Ryan?


Firing your head coach after 9 games is a great way to guarantee that no head coaches will want to interview with you the next year... Not to mention free agents.


OK, then pressure him into retiring.
Throw a brick through his window.



Actually, thinking about it, unless we realisticly think we can get Cowher or Jimmy Johnson, most coordinators aren't really going to care how the coach was treated last year.
They are going to interview because they want to be Head Coaches and this would be an opportunity.
It also shows a commitment to winning, so i don't really think it would deter too many free agents.


Are you kidding me?
What coordinator would want to come to a team that had no offense, has no solution at QB or WR, and an owner that has no quams about firing the HC after a season and a half?

It would be a horrible, horrible move by Wilf.


Much like hiring him in the first place, it would all come full circle.
Not that I think Childress is going to get fired mid season, but I wouldn't be crying my eyes out.

singersp
11-11-2007, 06:59 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news96/10vike0823.l.jpg


Damn! Beer through the nose again!


Hey, At least he got us to the playoffs. I think I'll use the logic of the Childress supporters & just claim that it wasn't Tice fault we didn't go further.............the players just failed to execute.

Primarily because of Cottrells defense. He's isn't really doing a bang up job as SD DC either.

GreenBaySlackers
11-11-2007, 07:01 PM
We should hire a coach that exclusively runs the pistol offense.
Fear the pistol.

Purple Floyd
11-11-2007, 07:04 PM
I have said it before, but until Wilf dissolves his TOA, Brings in a GM who knows football, and tells that person to hire the people that he needs and bring in the players he needs to build a championship team he might just as well keep who he has because changing the coach without changing the upper management and structure isn't going to fix anything.

You think Cowher is going to do it all by himself? Hardly. The Steelers have a stable ownership and upper management that built a team so they can change coaches and not miss a beat. That is what success is about. The Packers have done much the same. They have gone through coaches and even upper management, but have retained the same philosophy they have had since the early 90's and they can continue to win even while rebuilding the team and the coaching staff.

Until they make those changes we as fans have to get used to being the next Lions of the NFC Norris Div.

PurpleGator
11-11-2007, 07:06 PM
Denny Green! Lets hire him back.
I miss his famous quotes.


They were who we thought they were.


1. We're really disappointed. We felt we'd get off to a much better start than this.

2. The secret to success is to start from scratch and keep on scratching.

3. If you want to crown them, crown their Bleep.


4. They are what we thought they were and we let 'em off the hook!

5. I understand the weather patterns, the Calcutta Clipper....swings down, swings up....Lake front influence, I think it's about 45 degree weather.

6. You know what's great about America? Everybody's got an opinion. You know what else is great about America? You don't have to listen to em.

7. My hands are on the plow.

8. You can find me on the high road.

9. Field goals are the second-best thing you can get. The first thing you want are touchdowns, but you don't turn your back on field goals, because they are points. But we just have to have better balance.

10. Broken noses do occur in the game, unfortunately. He kind of got a blow right in between the facemask and his helmet. We'll know more about that once we get an idea from the doctors.

11. Seattle blitzed us a few times, but what really hurt us was dropped passes. I've said it before -- dropped passes and penalties will send out your punter, and that's what happened.

http://www.dennisgreen.com/images/dennywavin.jpg

singersp
11-11-2007, 07:16 PM
"PurpleGator" wrote:


Denny Green! Lets hire him back.
I miss his famous quotes.


They were who we thought they were.


1. We're really disappointed. We felt we'd get off to a much better start than this.

2. The secret to success is to start from scratch and keep on scratching.

3. If you want to crown them, crown their Bleep.



4. They are what we thought they were and we let 'em off the hook!

5. I understand the weather patterns, the Calcutta Clipper....swings down, swings up....Lake front influence, I think it's about 45 degree weather.

6. You know what's great about America? Everybody's got an opinion. You know what else is great about America? You don't have to listen to em.

7. My hands are on the plow.

8. You can find me on the high road.

9. Field goals are the second-best thing you can get. The first thing you want are touchdowns, but you don't turn your back on field goals, because they are points. But we just have to have better balance.

10. Broken noses do occur in the game, unfortunately. He kind of got a blow right in between the facemask and his helmet. We'll know more about that once we get an idea from the doctors.

11. Seattle blitzed us a few times, but what really hurt us was dropped passes. I've said it before -- dropped passes and penalties will send out your punter, and that's what happened.

http://www.dennisgreen.com/images/dennywavin.jpg


Green would have taken a knee in the 2nd quarter & called it a game.

PurpleGator
11-11-2007, 07:24 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"PurpleGator" wrote:


Denny Green! Lets hire him back.
I miss his famous quotes.


They were who we thought they were.


1. We're really disappointed. We felt we'd get off to a much better start than this.

2. The secret to success is to start from scratch and keep on scratching.

3. If you want to crown them, crown their Bleep.



4. They are what we thought they were and we let 'em off the hook!

5. I understand the weather patterns, the Calcutta Clipper....swings down, swings up....Lake front influence, I think it's about 45 degree weather.

6. You know what's great about America? Everybody's got an opinion. You know what else is great about America? You don't have to listen to em.

7. My hands are on the plow.

8. You can find me on the high road.

9. Field goals are the second-best thing you can get. The first thing you want are touchdowns, but you don't turn your back on field goals, because they are points. But we just have to have better balance.

10. Broken noses do occur in the game, unfortunately. He kind of got a blow right in between the facemask and his helmet. We'll know more about that once we get an idea from the doctors.

11. Seattle blitzed us a few times, but what really hurt us was dropped passes. I've said it before -- dropped passes and penalties will send out your punter, and that's what happened.

http://www.dennisgreen.com/images/dennywavin.jpg


Green would have taken a knee in the 2nd quarter & called it a game.


Because they were who we thought they were!
;D

COJOMAY
11-11-2007, 07:31 PM
Why don't we ask the "Player's Council" that talked Chilly into giving Williamson his money back. They seem to have more sense than any one in management.

BigMoInAZ
11-11-2007, 07:36 PM
1. Cowher
2. Jason Garett
3. Pete Carroll
4. Mark Richt
5. Dick LeBeau

Mystophales
11-11-2007, 07:37 PM
This seems like a easy choice to me...

JIMMY JOHNSON


Come on people, he has already proved what he can do with Viking draft picks. Super Bowl dynasty type results!

MNgriff
11-11-2007, 07:38 PM
I don't understand why we wouldn't be able to land a great coach. We have an amazing running back, good O-line, and a good D-line. The trenches are set, any coach could see that and I don't think it will take an overhaul to win games. Heck we're in the NFC where it's so easy to go from worst to first from year to year.

BigMoInAZ
11-11-2007, 07:40 PM
"Mystophales" wrote:


This seems like a easy choice to me...

JIMMY JOHNSON


Come on people, he has already proved what he can do with Viking draft picks. Super Bowl dynasty type results!
Over rated, Over Hyped!

Johnson is nothing more than a shill!
Please don't bring his sorry ass up again! Thanks!

COJOMAY
11-11-2007, 07:40 PM
"It's a plum job!"
:D

Does anyone else remember the quote that went something like this:
"We're coming on shore and we're going to pillage and plunder the opposition..."
It's no wonder the Vikings are extinct.

Mystophales
11-11-2007, 07:49 PM
"BigMoInAZ" wrote:


"Mystophales" wrote:


This seems like a easy choice to me...

JIMMY JOHNSON


Come on people, he has already proved what he can do with Viking draft picks. Super Bowl dynasty type results!
Over rated, Over Hyped!

Johnson is nothing more than a shill!
Please don't bring his sorry jiggly butt up again! Thanks!


Over-rated???? I would love to be over rated and have a handful of super bowl rings. How is he over rated? Not trying to start trouble but please explain this to me. Last time I checked the man has won everywhere he has gone. Not just won but built a team into a dynasty. He built up Miami to win a National championship and then came to the NFL and rebuilt the Cowboys to a super bowl dynasty. Seems like a pretty good coach to me.

singersp
11-11-2007, 07:55 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


"It's a plum job!"
:D

Does anyone else remember the quote that went something like this:
"We're landing the ships today and we're going to pillage and plunder the opposition..."
It's no wonder the Vikings are extinct.


Here was his quote;

"We'll go ashore, burn the boats, and never look back. Today we are going ashore." -Brad Childress

COJOMAY
11-11-2007, 08:00 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


"It's a plum job!"
:D

Does anyone else remember the quote that went something like this:
"We're landing the ships today and we're going to pillage and plunder the opposition..."
It's no wonder the Vikings are extinct.


Here was his quote;

"We'll go ashore, burn the boats, and never look back. Today we are going ashore." -Brad Childress




I knew mine wasn't right but it fit my joke better!
;D

vikinggreg
11-11-2007, 08:01 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


Why don't we ask the "Player's Council" that talked Chilly into giving Williamson his money back. They seem to have more sense than any one in management.


During the pregame show they said that already happened

Childress

"I think the important thing is everybody grieves differently," Childress said. "That's the thing that I learned, or we learned, in this. In the end, it's not important to be right, but to get it right."

And he sure wasn't talking about game planning

vikinggreg
11-11-2007, 08:03 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


"It's a plum job!"
:D

Does anyone else remember the quote that went something like this:
"We're landing the ships today and we're going to pillage and plunder the opposition..."
It's no wonder the Vikings are extinct.


Here was his quote;

"We'll go ashore, burn the boats, and never look back. Today we are going ashore." -Brad Childress




I think they were looking back because they forgot the matches ;)

ConnecticutViking
11-11-2007, 08:14 PM
How about Pete Caroll?

COJOMAY
11-11-2007, 08:17 PM
Have you watched Chilly's press conference after the game? He looks like a man who is so beaten down he'll never recover.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG10&game_id=29326

BadlandsVikings
11-11-2007, 08:26 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/f8cb34dc-d966-40d1-9021-6413652ad8e6.jpg

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/bills/levy_marv.jpg

http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/-/Bud-Grant-Photograph-C10108412.jpeg

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/239177.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0ED7B9D38A66447D2D6284831B75F48EF45

http://www.thisistheusfl.com/photos/lindyinfante.jpg

PurpleGator
11-11-2007, 08:28 PM
"BigMoInAZ" wrote:


"Mystophales" wrote:


This seems like a easy choice to me...

JIMMY JOHNSON


Come on people, he has already proved what he can do with Viking draft picks. Super Bowl dynasty type results!
Over rated, Over Hyped!

Johnson is nothing more than a shill!
Please don't bring his sorry jiggly butt up again! Thanks!


He can build, he can win!

He were who we thought he were!
;D

vikinggreg
11-11-2007, 08:29 PM
Childress fan approval rating tripled in the last 2 hours 1% to 3%......I have a feeling Packer fans might be approving of this last game

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=52

vikinggreg
11-11-2007, 08:32 PM
"BadlandsViking" wrote:


http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/f8cb34dc-d966-40d1-9021-6413652ad8e6.jpg

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/bills/levy_marv.jpg

http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/-/Bud-Grant-Photograph-C10108412.jpeg

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/239177.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0ED7B9D38A66447D2D6284831B75F48EF45

http://www.thisistheusfl.com/photos/lindyinfante.jpg


BLV what's the red x's coaching record? And can he start in the next couple of weeks? How is he with the O's

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 08:34 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


Have you watched Chilly's press conference after the game? He looks like a man who is so beaten down he'll never recover.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG10&game_id=29326


Did you notice that even the NFLN people said that the unnecessary roughness call on Udeze for helmet contact on Fav-re was bullshit?
It wouldn't have made a difference in the game (although it probably would have been a FG instead of a TD on that drive), but come on... The refs need to get those right.

singersp
11-11-2007, 08:41 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


Have you watched Chilly's press conference after the game? He looks like a man who is so beaten down he'll never recover.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG10&game_id=29326


Did you notice that even the NFLN people said that the unnecessary roughness call on Udeze for helmet contact on Fav-re was bullshit?
It wouldn't have made a difference in the game (although it probably would have been a FG instead of a TD on that drive), but come on... The refs need to get those right.


Favre should get an Oscar for his drama queen performance. I replayed that play 4 times, including slow motion. He was barely graze.

It certainly didn't bother him once the flag was thrown.........he was right back up & in the huddle.

It was nothing more than incidental contact & there shouldn't have even been a flag.

Then that putz of a bias announcer was looking for an ejection. LMAO!

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 08:46 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


Have you watched Chilly's press conference after the game? He looks like a man who is so beaten down he'll never recover.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG10&game_id=29326


Did you notice that even the NFLN people said that the unnecessary roughness call on Udeze for helmet contact on Fav-re was kaka del rio?
It wouldn't have made a difference in the game (although it probably would have been a FG instead of a TD on that drive), but come on... The refs need to get those right.


Favre should get an Oscar for his drama queen performance. I replayed that play 4 times, including slow motion. He was barely graze.

It certainly didn't bother him once the flag was thrown.........he was right back up & in the huddle.

It was nothing more than incidental contact & there shouldn't have even been a flag.

Then that putz of a bias announcer was looking for an ejection. LMAO!


I know.
The ejection comment stemmed from a letter the NFL sent out to officials telling them that avoidable helmet to helmet contact was grounds for ejection, since it happened twice last week.
This was not avoidable, not helmet to helmet, and barely contact.
It was a BS flag, and absolutely not an ejection.

Look at the bright side.
It could have been the SNF game with Madden.
He probably would have been calling for a year long suspension. ;D

umaguma1979
11-11-2007, 08:49 PM
"ConnecticutViking" wrote:


How about Pete Caroll?



You know - Pete Carroll actually worked as an assistant under Bud Grant & the Vikings in the early 1980's

PurpleGator
11-11-2007, 08:50 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


Have you watched Chilly's press conference after the game? He looks like a man who is so beaten down he'll never recover.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG10&game_id=29326


Did you notice that even the NFLN people said that the unnecessary roughness call on Udeze for helmet contact on Fav-re was kaka del rio?
It wouldn't have made a difference in the game (although it probably would have been a FG instead of a TD on that drive), but come on... The refs need to get those right.


Favre should get an Oscar for his drama queen performance. I replayed that play 4 times, including slow motion. He was barely graze.

It certainly didn't bother him once the flag was thrown.........he was right back up & in the huddle.

It was nothing more than incidental contact & there shouldn't have even been a flag.

Then that putz of a bias announcer was looking for an ejection. LMAO!


I know, I heard that also.


What an idiot.
He reminded me of that kid in the movie drop dead gorgous.
Tahh
Dahhhh...

LOL!

umaguma1979
11-11-2007, 08:51 PM
I think Jim Mora Jr. deserves another shot - great defensive coordinator.

singersp
11-11-2007, 08:51 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


Have you watched Chilly's press conference after the game? He looks like a man who is so beaten down he'll never recover.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG10&game_id=29326


Did you notice that even the NFLN people said that the unnecessary roughness call on Udeze for helmet contact on Fav-re was kaka del rio?
It wouldn't have made a difference in the game (although it probably would have been a FG instead of a TD on that drive), but come on... The refs need to get those right.


Favre should get an Oscar for his drama queen performance. I replayed that play 4 times, including slow motion. He was barely graze.

It certainly didn't bother him once the flag was thrown.........he was right back up & in the huddle.

It was nothing more than incidental contact & there shouldn't have even been a flag.

Then that putz of a bias announcer was looking for an ejection. LMAO!


I know.
The ejection comment stemmed from a letter the NFL sent out to officials telling them that avoidable helmet to helmet contact was grounds for ejection, since it happened twice last week.
This was not avoidable, not helmet to helmet, and barely contact.
It was a BS flag, and absolutely not an ejection.

Look at the bright side.
It could have been the SNF game with Madden.
He probably would have been calling for a year long suspension. ;D


Madden probably still sent him a FTD floral boquet anyway.

marstc09
11-11-2007, 08:52 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


Have you watched Chilly's press conference after the game? He looks like a man who is so beaten down he'll never recover.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG10&game_id=29326


Did you notice that even the NFLN people said that the unnecessary roughness call on Udeze for helmet contact on Fav-re was bullshit?
It wouldn't have made a difference in the game (although it probably would have been a FG instead of a TD on that drive), but come on... The refs need to get those right.


In theory, yes, but when Brett Favre is on the field theory is thrown out the door.

umaguma1979
11-11-2007, 08:52 PM
But then again - if you want a great offensive mind - i say go with Jason Garrett - did I also mention he was a Princeton grad?

enlvikeman
11-11-2007, 08:53 PM
Childress will be here next year...I know it, all of you know it...it is the way of the Vikings.

Garland Greene
11-11-2007, 08:54 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


Have you watched Chilly's press conference after the game? He looks like a man who is so beaten down he'll never recover.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG10&game_id=29326


I'm thinking(hoping) that Wilf told him to bring a couple of boxes with you when you come to work on Monday.

COJOMAY
11-11-2007, 08:55 PM
This quote from a Star/Tribune story up now about Viking quarterbacks says:

Tight end Visanthe Shiancoe, who caught one pass, said that in order to fix the passing game "we've got to go in and start from square one. ... We need to go back to the basics before we try to advance."

Asked where he would start, Shiancoe said: "Everybody has to be on the same page at all times. That's all there is to it."

He declined to elaborate.

Sounds like he's a bit down on Chilly, too.

singersp
11-11-2007, 08:56 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


This quote from a Star/Tribune story up now about Viking quarterbacks says:

Tight end Visanthe Shiancoe, who caught one pass, said that in order to fix the passing game "we've got to go in and start from square one. ... We need to go back to the basics before we try to advance."

Asked where he would start, Shiancoe said: "Everybody has to be on the same page at all times. That's all there is to it."

He declined to elaborate.

Sounds like he's a bit down on Chilly, too.


Lombardi........."This is a football."

Mystophales
11-11-2007, 09:03 PM
I am all for not making snap decisions but Childress is not making this easy. There is absolutely NO improvement in this team whatsoever since he took over. There is nothing you can highlight other than we have less players in trouble with the law. YAY!!!

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 09:20 PM
I can admit that I fear we have regressed.
Still, to want Childress to be fired before the end of the season is foolish.
Minutes after the Denver game, however, may be a different story.

tb04512
11-11-2007, 09:23 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


I can admit that I fear we have regressed.
Still, to want Childress to be fired before the end of the season is foolish.
Minutes after the Denver game, however, may be a different story.


minutes? youd give him late long
:P

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 09:24 PM
"tb04512" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


I can admit that I fear we have regressed.
Still, to want Childress to be fired before the end of the season is foolish.
Minutes after the Denver game, however, may be a different story.


minutes? youd give him late long
:P


I think Childress will linger on the field shaking hands that long.
He will have no doubt about what is coming. :D

Hell, half an hour later he might still be on the field, looking for any excuse not to go back.
Shaking hands with the grounds crew... ;D

tb04512
11-11-2007, 09:26 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"tb04512" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


I can admit that I fear we have regressed.
Still, to want Childress to be fired before the end of the season is foolish.
Minutes after the Denver game, however, may be a different story.


minutes? youd give him late long
:P


I think Childress will linger on the field shaking hands that long.
He will have no doubt about what is coming. :D

Hell, half an hour later he might still be on the field, looking for any excuse not to go back.
Shaking hands with the grounds crew... ;D


LOL then help the grounds crew fix the field.. possibly sleep out there

Purple Floyd
11-11-2007, 09:33 PM
They could always wait to fire him until the day before christmas. No, Wait, Nobody does that.

tb04512
11-11-2007, 09:34 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


They could always wait to fire him until the day before christmas. No, Wait, Nobody does that.


no kidding... do it on xmas
:P

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 09:37 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


They could always wait to fire him until the day before christmas. No, Wait, Nobody does that.


Hahahaha, so very true... I'd love if they fire Chilly on Christmas even and bring Robinson back on the team the same day.

Fuck Chilly... He can't leave soon enough.

The fact that Wilf doesn't even want to pay T-Will, I doubt he's gonna fork over the money for Schotty or Cowher, but man, I'd love to see those either of those guys as our coach.

Hell... I'd rather have a 4th grader who's really good at Madden as our coach at this point.

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 09:45 PM
"C" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


They could always wait to fire him until the day before christmas. No, Wait, Nobody does that.


Hahahaha, so very true... I'd love if they fire Chilly on Christmas even and bring Robinson back on the team the same day.

floop Chilly... He can't leave soon enough.

The fact that Wilf doesn't even want to pay T-Will, I doubt he's gonna fork over the money for Schotty or Cowher, but man, I'd love to see those either of those guys as our coach.

Hell... I'd rather have a 4th grader who's really good at Madden as our coach at this point.


Wilf has been very free with money since he came in.
The fact that TWill was originally docked a check was a sound business decision.
BTW, did you catch the pre-game on Fox?
Two of the three analysts, including Jimmy Johnson agreed with the decision to dock TWill a week's pay.
They also noted that TWill never called or contacted the Vikings in any way, and they had no idea when or if he was planning to return.
He just left and never came back.
Funny how things like that got lost in the media storm...

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 09:49 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


They could always wait to fire him until the day before christmas. No, Wait, Nobody does that.


Hahahaha, so very true... I'd love if they fire Chilly on Christmas even and bring Robinson back on the team the same day.

floop Chilly... He can't leave soon enough.

The fact that Wilf doesn't even want to pay T-Will, I doubt he's gonna fork over the money for Schotty or Cowher, but man, I'd love to see those either of those guys as our coach.

Hell... I'd rather have a 4th grader who's really good at Madden as our coach at this point.


Wilf has been very free with money since he came in.
The fact that TWill was originally docked a check was a sound business decision.
BTW, did you catch the pre-game on Fox?
Two of the three analysts, including Jimmy Johnson agreed with the decision to dock TWill a week's pay.
They also noted that TWill never called or contacted the Vikings in any way, and they had no idea when or if he was planning to return.
He just left and never came back.
Funny how things like that got lost in the media storm...


Actually, I did watch it. They didn't agree with it, they said some of the blame can be put on T-Will, but it was a very bad decision for the Vikings. They said everyone mourns differently and the Vikings should have realized this and this sort of bad press is something the franchise doesn't need.

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 09:58 PM
"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


They could always wait to fire him until the day before christmas. No, Wait, Nobody does that.


Hahahaha, so very true... I'd love if they fire Chilly on Christmas even and bring Robinson back on the team the same day.

floop Chilly... He can't leave soon enough.

The fact that Wilf doesn't even want to pay T-Will, I doubt he's gonna fork over the money for Schotty or Cowher, but man, I'd love to see those either of those guys as our coach.

Hell... I'd rather have a 4th grader who's really good at Madden as our coach at this point.


Wilf has been very free with money since he came in.
The fact that TWill was originally docked a check was a sound business decision.
BTW, did you catch the pre-game on Fox?
Two of the three analysts, including Jimmy Johnson agreed with the decision to dock TWill a week's pay.
They also noted that TWill never called or contacted the Vikings in any way, and they had no idea when or if he was planning to return.
He just left and never came back.
Funny how things like that got lost in the media storm...


Actually, I did watch it. They didn't agree with it, they said some of the blame can be put on T-Will, but it was a very bad decision for the Vikings. They said everyone mourns differently and the Vikings should have realized this and this sort of bad press is something the franchise doesn't need.




The "everybody mourns differently" was them quoting Childress.
Jimmy Johnson came out right at the beginning of the piece and said that he agreed with the decision and never changed his mind.
So just disappearing and not contacting anybody is OK?
If I did that at my job I guarantee that there would be hell to pay when I got back.
Yes, in retrospect it was a bad PR decision, but a sound business one.

Anyway, the point is you used this instance to try and make Wilf look like he was cheap, and that simply isn't the case.

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 10:02 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


The "everybody mourns differently" was them quoting Childress.
Jimmy Johnson came out right at the beginning of the piece and said that he agreed with the decision and never changed his mind.
So just disappearing and not contacting anybody is OK?
If I did that at my job I guarantee that there would be hell to pay when I got back.
Yes, in retrospect it was a bad PR decision, but a sound business one.

Anyway, the point is you used this instance to try and make Wilf look like he was cheap, and that simply isn't the case.


Is McDonald's getting stricter about your absence?


jk Nodak


I'm still wondering if Chilly pointing the finger at Wilf in his press conference was either him sticking up for his player... or him being a spineless coward and not wanting to take the blame he rightfully deserves... I'm guessing the latter.

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 10:05 PM
"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


The "everybody mourns differently" was them quoting Childress.
Jimmy Johnson came out right at the beginning of the piece and said that he agreed with the decision and never changed his mind.
So just disappearing and not contacting anybody is OK?
If I did that at my job I guarantee that there would be hell to pay when I got back.
Yes, in retrospect it was a bad PR decision, but a sound business one.

Anyway, the point is you used this instance to try and make Wilf look like he was cheap, and that simply isn't the case.


Is McDonald's getting stricter about your absence?


jk Nodak


I'm still wondering if Chilly pointing the finger at Wilf in his press conference was either him sticking up for his player... or him being a spineless coward and not wanting to take the blame he rightfully deserves... I'm guessing the latter.



Nah, they complain more when I'm there because I eat all the fries...

vikes09
11-11-2007, 10:12 PM
Pete Carroll wouldn't leave USC if you offered the farm to him. He has a dynasty there, and there's NO reason at all for him to leave. If i was him, i would live in Cali, and i would retire a Trojan. He easily has one of the best coaching gigs out there.


Bill Cowher on the other hand....

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 10:19 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


Nah, they complain more when I'm there because I eat all the fries...


That made me hungry... and I'm sick of talking about "The Douche"

ultravikingfan
11-11-2007, 10:19 PM
Pete Carroll is not going to leave the security of a successful college program for the mediocrity of the NFL.

Would you?

DustinDupont
11-11-2007, 10:21 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Pete Carroll is not going to leave the security of a successful college program for the mediocrity of the NFL.

Would you?


if i was going to coach my favorite NFL team i would...

ultravikingfan
11-11-2007, 10:25 PM
"DustinDupont" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Pete Carroll is not going to leave the security of a successful college program for the mediocrity of the NFL.

Would you?


if i was going to coach my favorite NFL team i would...


I think that he is a little more concerned about other things than coaching his favorite team.
Like security, money, reputation, etc.
He is a god there.

thevikingfan
11-11-2007, 10:25 PM
this team is built for cowher!He ikes to run the ball (who wouldnt want ap on their team) he needs to switch mabe to a 3-4 defense that way u can have kevin and pat and either ray or robison on the line and 4 linebacker.Henderson Greenway Leber Thomas after that just get a qb ( im thinking mcnabb this year) and boom u have a decent team right there

snowinapril
11-11-2007, 10:34 PM
John Madden, he has a really cool video game.
He could pay Favre and Kitna to be on the cover next year.

Schutz
11-11-2007, 10:48 PM
Hey Cower comes in signs Terrell Suggs who is going to be a FA and installs a 3-4.

Or Bud Grant :)

PurpleGator
11-11-2007, 10:48 PM
"PurpleGator" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"PurpleGator" wrote:


Denny Green! Lets hire him back.
I miss his famous quotes.


They were who we thought they were.


1. We're really disappointed. We felt we'd get off to a much better start than this.

2. The secret to success is to start from scratch and keep on scratching.

3. If you want to crown them, crown their Bleep.



4. They are what we thought they were and we let 'em off the hook!

5. I understand the weather patterns, the Calcutta Clipper....swings down, swings up....Lake front influence, I think it's about 45 degree weather.

6. You know what's great about America? Everybody's got an opinion. You know what else is great about America? You don't have to listen to em.

7. My hands are on the plow.

8. You can find me on the high road.

9. Field goals are the second-best thing you can get. The first thing you want are touchdowns, but you don't turn your back on field goals, because they are points. But we just have to have better balance.

10. Broken noses do occur in the game, unfortunately. He kind of got a blow right in between the facemask and his helmet. We'll know more about that once we get an idea from the doctors.

11. Seattle blitzed us a few times, but what really hurt us was dropped passes. I've said it before -- dropped passes and penalties will send out your punter, and that's what happened.

http://www.dennisgreen.com/images/dennywavin.jpg


Green would have taken a knee in the 2nd quarter & called it a game.


Because they were who we thought they were!
;D


Another famous Denny Green Quote.


- Daunte's job is to drive the bus

ap07
11-11-2007, 11:04 PM
"thevikingfan" wrote:


this team is built for cowher!He ikes to run the ball (who wouldnt want ap on their team) he needs to switch mabe to a 3-4 defense that way u can have kevin and pat and either ray or robison on the line and 4 linebacker.Henderson Greenway Leber Thomas after that just get a qb ( im thinking mcnabb this year) and boom u have a decent team right there



I would take any qb with an accurate arm.
I cant stand the fact the the WR are not used.
Cower would be a great fit for us.
He for one would not take this crap the team is dumping on us.
get get spanked again is NOT GOOD!!!
What else will it take to get Chilli fired??
Take the coaches with you!

PurpleMafia
11-11-2007, 11:10 PM
From what I have seen, Wilf is a total idiot.
Knows nothing about pro football and he doesn't have the balls to fire Chilly. And keeping Chilly means....yes Tarvaris too. I can't wait for this offseason.

With the 1st-5th overall pick in the draft, the Minnesota Vikings select:

Jake Long?

Yes, an O-Lineman. Why? I don't know. I chose the player that meant the least amount of sense to me at this spot, and put his name there.

Here's to a long, and most likely painful rebuilding process.
:-

ap07
11-11-2007, 11:13 PM
"PurpleMafia" wrote:


From what I have seen, Wilf is a total idiot.
Knows nothing about pro football and he doesn't have the balls to fire Chilly. And keeping Chilly means....yes Tarvaris too. I can't wait for this offseason.

With the 1st-5th overall pick in the draft, the Minnesota Vikings select:

Jake Long?

Yes, an O-Lineman. Why? I don't know. I chose the player that meant the least amount of sense to me at this spot, and put his name there.

Here's to a long, and most likely painful rebuilding process.
:-\




No sir..
The only position we will be drafting is a QB.
Unless there qb is gone they draft a big time wide reciever.
Ziggy needs to pull his head out of his ass and fire chilli.
This guy was a joke and Philly and he is awful here!

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 11:23 PM
The only thing I blame Wilf for is hiring Chilly in the first place... which was somewhat of a hurried process anyways.

The only reason Wilf hasn't fired him yet is because it would look bad for the Vikings as a franchise. He wants to rebuild the image of the Vikings... and going through multiple coaches isn't the way to go about that. However, I think it's excusable in this situation. We have the most egotistical, arrogant, moronic, creepy looking, just flat out God awful coach in the NFL.... He needs to be fired.

Wilf will wait till the end of the season... but Childress WILL be gone. I have faith in Wilf.

tb04512
11-11-2007, 11:25 PM
i still say one of the more "logical" (excludes cower and shotty)
is Steve Mariucchi.. hes a guy thats been in coaching before and isnt as boring as a rock

Schutz
11-11-2007, 11:26 PM
If we could steal him away (I don't know how that works with coordinators)
I think Martz might be good here if we got a good D Coord.

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 11:33 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


If we could steal him away (I don't know how that works with coordinators)
I think Martz might be good here if we got a good D Coord.


I've never liked Martz... but I'd take him any day over Childress. He actually understands football.

jkjuggalo
11-11-2007, 11:42 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


If we could steal him away (I don't know how that works with coordinators)
I think Martz might be good here if we got a good D Coord.


Maybe if he brought a QB and receivers too.
I don't think we have the pieces Martz would be after.
He is all about the passing game.
Cowher would match up better with our personel.
Please Mr. Wilf...pay that man to be our coach.

Ltrey33
11-11-2007, 11:45 PM
"C" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


If we could steal him away (I don't know how that works with coordinators)
I think Martz might be good here if we got a good D Coord.


I've never liked Martz... but I'd take him any day over Childress. He actually understands football.


Martz always came off as arrogant to me. I think he's kind of a prick, but he was successful as a HC that is for sure. He is working well with the Lions offense and did wonders with the Rams as HC and offensive coordinator. His problems were always with his defense.

But yes, I would take him over Childress. But then again, I would take a loaf of bread over Childress.

vikesfargo
11-12-2007, 12:14 AM
Mike Martz - no (arrogant, narrow-minded)

Bill Cowher - no (too emotional)

Jim Mora Jr - yes (he wants to win BAAAADDDD - to redeem his name after the fiasco with the Falcons and the coach-killer Vick, and to redeem his father)

Schottenheimer - HELL yes (he wants to win the Super Bowl BAD) and he knows how to use a superstar running back

Go back in time and hire Tomlinson and fire Childress - yes (too late though)

Ideal world: Schottenheimer, head coach. Jim Mora Jr, DC. Linehan, OC.

CulpepperViking16
11-12-2007, 12:27 AM
How about Mike Tice or Dennis Green....I heard they had decent seasons in the past (a.k.a. more than 6 wins.)

Frostbite
11-12-2007, 12:29 AM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


Mike Martz - no (arrogant, narrow-minded)

Bill Cowher - no (too emotional)Jim Mora Jr - yes (he wants to win BAAAADDDD - to redeem his name after the fiasco with the Falcons and the coach-killer Vick, and to redeem his father)

Schottenheimer - HELL yes (he wants to win the Super Bowl BAD) and he knows how to use a superstar running back

Go back in time and hire Tomlinson and fire Childress - yes (too late though)

Ideal world: Schottenheimer, head coach. Jim Mora Jr, DC. Linehan, OC.




To Emotional??? I think this squad could use that type of Kick right now.....IMHO

Cheers!

Mystophales
11-12-2007, 12:30 AM
After watching the game today I say dig up Lombardi and put a play chart in his hands. Even being dead the man would have twice as much football knowledge and three times the personality. ;D

Frostbite
11-12-2007, 12:32 AM
"Mystophales" wrote:


After watching the game today I say dig up Lombardi and put a play chart in his hands. Even being dead the man would have twice as much football knowledge and three times the personality. ;D



Amen!!!


Cheers!

VikingMike
11-12-2007, 01:52 PM
"Frostbite" wrote:


"vikesfargo" wrote:


Mike Martz - no (arrogant, narrow-minded)

Bill Cowher - no (too emotional)Jim Mora Jr - yes (he wants to win BAAAADDDD - to redeem his name after the fiasco with the Falcons and the coach-killer Vick, and to redeem his father)

Schottenheimer - HELL yes (he wants to win the Super Bowl BAD) and he knows how to use a superstar running back

Go back in time and hire Tomlinson and fire Childress - yes (too late though)

Ideal world: Schottenheimer, head coach. Jim Mora Jr, DC. Linehan, OC.




To Emotional??? I think this squad could use that type of Kick right now.....IMHO

Cheers!



HELL, YEAH!!! Many of these guys could use a good kick in the A$$.

Vikes_King
11-12-2007, 01:57 PM
Ideal world: Schottenheimer, head coach. Jim Mora Jr, DC. Linehan, OC.

that sounds pretty good to me.. lol (and expensive for zygi).


my ideal coach would be Marty hands down, and i do NOT want Cowher.


As someone else said, i would take Linehan back as an OC any day, but i definatly dont want him as HC.

V4L
11-12-2007, 02:00 PM
Does anyone know where to dig up a list of possible free agent coaches?

And do u think Zygi will want to clean house even?

He seems to like to bring in players... Do the same with the coaches please!

NodakPaul
11-12-2007, 02:04 PM
"PurpleMafia" wrote:


From what I have seen, Wilf is a total idiot.
Knows nothing about pro football and he doesn't have the balls to fire Chilly. And keeping Chilly means....yes Tarvaris too. I can't wait for this offseason.

With the 1st-5th overall pick in the draft, the Minnesota Vikings select:

Jake Long?

Yes, an O-Lineman. Why? I don't know. I chose the player that meant the least amount of sense to me at this spot, and put his name there.

Here's to a long, and most likely painful rebuilding process.
:-\


That post made absolutely no sense.
Wilf is a total idiot?
Why? Because he is farther along in the stadium issue with a losing team than Red Ever was with one of the best?
Because he is pumping money into facilities?


And he obviously has the balls to fire a head coach.
You do remember Tice, don't you?
Firing Childress at the end of last season or halfway through this one would have been nothing short of stupid.
Thank God he owns the team and not some of the fans on PP.O.

I also have no idea what your draft comment is supposed to mean.
You must be unhappy with us drafting AD.
Or Rice.
Or Griffin. And would you really be upset if we drafted Long?
Long would be an upgrade over either one of our tackles.
Also. remember that in a top ten pick, you choose BPA.
If you have a specific position you would like to fill, and the BPA at your pick does not play that position, then you trade out.
But usually it is smarter to draft BPA and see where it takes you.
This year's draft is a great example.
We didn't need a RB, but I am pretty damn glad that we got AD.

So what exactly is Wilf doing that makes him a total idiot?
If you are going to make idiotic comments, at least try an back them up.

ultravikingfan
11-12-2007, 02:37 PM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


Mike Martz - no (arrogant, narrow-minded)

Bill Cowher - no (too emotional)

Jim Mora Jr - yes (he wants to win BAAAADDDD - to redeem his name after the fiasco with the Falcons and the coach-killer Vick, and to redeem his father)

Schottenheimer - HELL yes (he wants to win the Super Bowl BAD) and he knows how to use a superstar running back

Go back in time and hire Tomlinson and fire Childress - yes (too late though)

Ideal world: Schottenheimer, head coach. Jim Mora Jr, DC. Linehan, OC.


Too emotional?
Good, we need some damn emotion.
When is anger a bad thing in football.

Cowher is a coach cut from the pages of the 50's, 60's and 70's.
He is tough.
He does not give 2 shits if you are a #1 pick and all that nonsense.
He plays to win!

audioghost
11-12-2007, 02:41 PM
Wilf wanted to get his guys in here with Childress and Rick Spielman...I mean, honestly this isn't Wilf's fault...and you can't expect him to fire the coach after 1 year (too premature) and in the middle of a season (leaving your team high and dry)....Childress should get fired after this year, actually I can't see how he wouldn't...all the reasons are there:

1)Bad team
2)Bad attendance and ticket sales
3)No sign of improvement from last year to this year (our record is still horrible)
4)Have good pieces to the puzzle, all we need is someone to assemble it (Pat & Kev Williams, EJ Henderson, Antoine Winfield, AP, Sidney Rice, Hutch, Birk, Richardson) this is a team with a lot of good players. There's no reason why they should be THIS bad...we should at least be a .500 team

A good coach could put this team over the top.

I'd wait till the offseason to call Wilf an idiot....if Childress is still around next season, then Wilf is an idiot....

V4L
11-12-2007, 02:42 PM
Agreed Ultra.. Most Childress has done in anger is throw down his headset in disgust when the Chargers returned that kick against us.. Probably didn't even say anything

And Cowher does know how to win.. 100 percent right there.. His team was made up of so many different people they just learned how to play as team.. Not many big names or high draft picks

And for Shotty.. Well we all know how the Chargers are doin this year compared to last.. Identical team except Antonio Chromartie is rippin it up

audioghost
11-12-2007, 02:44 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"vikesfargo" wrote:


Mike Martz - no (arrogant, narrow-minded)

Bill Cowher - no (too emotional)

Jim Mora Jr - yes (he wants to win BAAAADDDD - to redeem his name after the fiasco with the Falcons and the coach-killer Vick, and to redeem his father)

Schottenheimer - HELL yes (he wants to win the Super Bowl BAD) and he knows how to use a superstar running back

Go back in time and hire Tomlinson and fire Childress - yes (too late though)

Ideal world: Schottenheimer, head coach. Jim Mora Jr, DC. Linehan, OC.


Too emotional?
Good, we need some gol 'darnit emotion.
When is anger a bad thing in football.

Cowher is a coach cut from the pages of the 50's, 60's and 70's.
He is tough.
He does not give 2 poohies if you are a #1 pick and all that nonsense.
He plays to win!


Bill Cowher would be an ideal coach...Marty would be good too, I could settle for a 14-2 record and a playoff loss right now, at least I could feel good about the team's direction if that happened...

V4L
11-12-2007, 02:46 PM
Right on Audio

Wonder if we could lure the Big Tuna for mega bucks?

PurpleHornsOfDestruction
11-12-2007, 02:47 PM
What this thread wasn't realitically
???

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=39194.msg663385#msg663385

PurpleHornsOfDestruction
11-12-2007, 02:48 PM
Brad Childress- Look at the countless threads about him. all the debates. Whatever. Will Wilf give him another season?

Bill Cowher- Need I explain this man. Super Bowl coach. Cowher's record as a head coach is 149-90-1 (161-99-1 including playoff games). Anyone who says he's unqualified has lost my respect. The only reason he's not my first pick is because he might not be back this year or next year

Gregg Williams-In my opinion this guy is the coordinator of the best coached and disciplined team in the NFL today. Everyone does there job and their job alone but their job well. It has that essense of the "No Name Defense." An good defense thats underrated because its a team that make the plays. Not about the individuals. When you see a dense like that you know its about the coaching.

Marty Schottenheimer- Marty Ball. Well it led Chargers to a 14-2 season right. Its pretty aggressive until of course they get to the playoffs. Then he sucks terribly. what is his playoff record? Like 1-15. Yeah not too good. I wouldn't want him but its an improvement and can atleast make us an elite team.

Scott Linehan- That would be something if he came back. At the rate St. Louis is going they could let him go. We could pick him up. He's not a bad coach. I really think its the O-line there. Orlando Pace is out. They have so many of them out. Its terrrible.

Mike Martz- Has arguably the best offensive scheme in the NFL ever. Led one of the best offenses ever with a guy from the arena league. Kurt Warner and the Rams. Make Detroit one of the best offensive teams in the league with another no body QB Jon Kitna. He can make any offense the best. I would love to have him in Minnesota as the Head Coach. But would he be looking for a Head Coaching job this off season. If he is he's my first choice.

Leslie Frazier- Well anyone with our defense looks like a great defensive coordinator. Ithink we would have a much better defense if we had any type of offense that wouldn't get repeative 3 & outs and putting that defense on the feild for so long and always under the pressure that if they don't get the stop our offense can't answer. Leslie looks good and history tells us anyone we let leave will becomes a great head coach. I don't want him though.

Tim Moore- I don't think he'll leave Indy. Helped with the progress of peyton. He sure has a great offense there though but I think thats mostly Peyton Manning calling the plays and making the plays. I don't know much about Moore but Id say no. Its a possibility.

slick willy LeBeau- I like him. Pittsburgh defense is looking really good and a lot of dredit is to LeBeau but I also think a lot of credit also goes to Tomlin. When a defense looks discipline and dominent how can you not give credit to the defensive coordinator. I would be okay with LeBeau being our new head coach


Well there are the guys. If you have someone else in mind mention him and hopefully it's not Bevelle. haha.

EDIT:
Weird, Censored LeBeau's first name.

Marrdro
11-12-2007, 02:49 PM
OK, I read almost all of this.

Funny thing is do you really think that he is gonna get fired?
What would change the owners mind and say, I've had enough?

Win loss record.
Doubt that, I'm sure he was well aware of what was gonna happen when they gutted the team.

Fan disapproval.
Gimme a break.
Do you really believe that the fans really have a say in what happens with the team?
The die hards will stick.
The ones who can see what is going on will stick.
The fareweather fans will leave.
So what, they leave and then come back as soon as the team starts winning.

Stadium deal won't happen cause they are loosing.
Again, a falicy.
If the support from the voting public is what sways this then again, what has winning and loosing to do with it.
What really has anything to do with it in this arena is who pays, who will get paid and how soon everyone will start making money.

Everyone knows I am a Childress supporter.
Do I think he is the greatest coach in the world?
Do I think he is the next coming of Grant?
No, and No.
But what I do think is that we need to start providing some stability to this team with someone.
Like it or not, I think the owner also knows that there needs to be stability at the HC position to make this work.


Face it my friends, we can be as unhappy as hell with the HC and voice our opinion on every chat page in the world but if you think it has any impact on what is going on inside the walls/halls of Winter Park then you are just fooling yourself.

This organization has a plan and it started 2 years ago.
All we can do is ride it out.

ap07
11-12-2007, 02:53 PM
The halls at winter park would have alot to say if it could talk.
Chilli has no clue on coaching a game.
When you run the same plays over and over again with no sucess, what does that tell you???
Go get a guy that can get thee job done.
I dont think Chilli will last the season as coach.
Ziggy better do whats right and get
us a top notch coach!

PurpleHornsOfDestruction
11-12-2007, 02:56 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


OK, I read almost all of this.

Funny thing is do you really think that he is gonna get fired?
What would change the owners mind and say, I've had enough?

Win loss record.
Doubt that, I'm sure he was well aware of what was gonna happen when they gutted the team.

Fan disapproval.
Gimme a break.
Do you really believe that the fans really have a say in what happens with the team?
The die hards will stick.
The ones who can see what is going on will stick.
The fareweather fans will leave.
So what, they leave and then come back as soon as the team starts winning.

Stadium deal won't happen cause they are loosing.
Again, a falicy.
If the support from the voting public is what sways this then again, what has winning and loosing to do with it.
What really has anything to do with it in this arena is who pays, who will get paid and how soon everyone will start making money.

Everyone knows I am a Childress supporter.
Do I think he is the greatest coach in the world?
Do I think he is the next coming of Grant?
No, and No.
But what I do think is that we need to start providing some stability to this team with someone.
Like it or not, I think the owner also knows that there needs to be stability at the HC position to make this work.


Face it my friends, we can be as unhappy as hell with the HC and voice our opinion on every chat page in the world but if you think it has any impact on what is going on inside the walls/halls of Winter Park then you are just fooling yourself.

This organization has a plan and it started 2 years ago.
All we can do is ride it out.


Before no. I didn't thiink they would fire him. I thought one more year for him but I don't know how a coach can get us shutout for the first time in 16 years 34-0 BY THE PACKERS!!!! and live to coach another season. After that game. Yes I do think he will be fired. If he does I'll lose a lot of faith in the organization. Wilf is from NY so maybe he will live not understanding the rivalry between these two teams but I doubt it. Shutout by the Packers.

Marrdro
11-12-2007, 02:58 PM
"ap07" wrote:


The halls at winter park would have alot to say if it could talk.
Chilli has no clue on coaching a game.
When you run the same plays over and over again with no sucess, what does that tell you???
Go get a guy that can get thee job done.
I dont think Chilli will last the season as coach.
Ziggy better do whats right and get
us a top notch coach!


Or what?

Do you think that Ziggy doesn't believe the Chiller is a top notch coach?
Silly to think otherwise or he wouldn't have hired him.

What do you think could have changed his mind in a very short timeframe?
A few losses?
The loss of some players?

Gimme a break.
The owner is in on all the decisions.
Just cause some fans are upset today doesn't mean squat in thier eyes.

Again, I ask the question......OR WHAT.

ultravikingfan
11-12-2007, 03:01 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ap07" wrote:


The halls at winter park would have alot to say if it could talk.
Chilli has no clue on coaching a game.
When you run the same plays over and over again with no sucess, what does that tell you???
Go get a guy that can get thee job done.
I dont think Chilli will last the season as coach.
Ziggy better do whats right and get
us a top notch coach!


Or what?

Do you think that Ziggy doesn't believe the Chiller is a top notch coach?
Silly to think otherwise or he wouldn't have hired him.

What do you think could have changed his mind in a very short timeframe?
A few losses?
The loss of some players?

Gimme a break.
The owner is in on all the decisions.
Just cause some fans are upset today doesn't mean squat in thier eyes.

Again, I ask the question......OR WHAT.


Last thing I want my owner to do is listen to the fans.
I am pretty sure he knows Chilly is in a pickle and I am sure Chilly is aware of it as well.

He will make the best decision based on what candidates are available and want this job (some may not want it).

ap07
11-12-2007, 03:10 PM
With a top of the line running back in AP who would not want the chance to coach him.
If we had a qb that could do anything we would not be where we are at.

Childress has had how long already?
This guy is not doing the job and if this continues we will lose fans at the games and then you all will be pissed off because the game wont be on tv.
If we make a move now maybe things can start to get better before they get even worse.

Lets face it Jackson was not the qb to draft.
He is a BUST and untill things change he will continue to be a bust.

Marrdro
11-12-2007, 03:26 PM
"ap07" wrote:


With a top of the line running back in AP who would not want the chance to coach him.
If we had a qb that could do anything we would not be where we are at.

Childress has had how long already?
This guy is not doing the job and if this continues we will lose fans at the games and then you all will be pissed off because the game wont be on tv.
If we make a move now maybe things can start to get better before they get even worse.

Lets face it Jackson was not the qb to draft.
He is a BUST and untill things change he will continue to be a bust.

Who should have they drafted?

Please give me a rundown of how the draft went and tell me who?

ultravikingfan
11-12-2007, 03:38 PM
"ap07" wrote:


With a top of the line running back in AP who would not want the chance to coach him.
If we had a qb that could do anything we would not be where we are at.

Childress has had how long already?
This guy is not doing the job and if this continues we will lose fans at the games and then you all will be pissed off because the game wont be on tv.
If we make a move now maybe things can start to get better before they get even worse.

Lets face it Jackson was not the qb to draft.
He is a BUST and untill things change he will continue to be a bust.


Make the move now?
How many coaches are hired mid-season?

It's very easy in retrospect to say he was not the QB to draft; especially easy if you just became a fan of this team since we drafted AD.

COJOMAY
11-12-2007, 03:41 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ap07" wrote:


The halls at winter park would have alot to say if it could talk.
Chilli has no clue on coaching a game.
When you run the same plays over and over again with no sucess, what does that tell you???
Go get a guy that can get thee job done.
I dont think Chilli will last the season as coach.
Ziggy better do whats right and get
us a top notch coach!


Or what?

Do you think that Ziggy doesn't believe the Chiller is a top notch coach?
Silly to think otherwise or he wouldn't have hired him.

What do you think could have changed his mind in a very short timeframe?
A few losses?
The loss of some players?

Gimme a break.
The owner is in on all the decisions.
Just cause some fans are upset today doesn't mean squat in thier eyes.

Again, I ask the question......OR WHAT.


I think you are partially right and partially wrong with the bolded statement Marrdro. If fan backlast is losing the owner $ he would be smart to listen to him just like any other businessman listens to the customers. While I don't think the coach should listen to everything the fans say such as Peterson should run more; We should start so and so at QB; We should run more slant routes; etc, etc. etc. I do think when fans stay away from the game because the team is playing horrible, and they have a concerted uproar, Wilf will listen to the fans because it will hnrt him in the pocketbook. Wilf is no dummy, he's been a successful businessman for many year and he knows he has to please his customers and right now that isn't happening.

Marrdro
11-12-2007, 03:46 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ap07" wrote:


The halls at winter park would have alot to say if it could talk.
Chilli has no clue on coaching a game.
When you run the same plays over and over again with no sucess, what does that tell you???
Go get a guy that can get thee job done.
I dont think Chilli will last the season as coach.
Ziggy better do whats right and get
us a top notch coach!


Or what?

Do you think that Ziggy doesn't believe the Chiller is a top notch coach?
Silly to think otherwise or he wouldn't have hired him.

What do you think could have changed his mind in a very short timeframe?
A few losses?
The loss of some players?

Gimme a break.
The owner is in on all the decisions.
Just cause some fans are upset today doesn't mean squat in thier eyes.

Again, I ask the question......OR WHAT.


I think you are partially right and partially wrong with the bolded statement Marrdro. If fan backlast is losing the owner $ he would be smart to listen to him just like any other businessman listens to the customers. While I don't think the coach should listen to everything the fans say such as Peterson should run more; We should start so and so at QB; We should run more slant routes; etc, etc. etc. I do think when fans stay away from the game because the team is playing horrible, and they have a concerted uproar, Wilf will listen to the fans because it will hnrt him in the pocketbook. Wilf is no dummy, he's been a successful businessman for many year and he knows he has to please his customers and right now that isn't happening.

I agree in part COJO, however, in this instance I believe that the owner was in on the decisions that would basically gut the team and start the rebuilding process.

Part of that briefing and decision making process included the fact that losses would happen and that the fan base would get restless.

Trust me my friend, I believe he is aware he will loose some fans, but I believe it was factored into the decision making process.

bleedpurple
11-12-2007, 03:47 PM
"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


OK, I read almost all of this.

Funny thing is do you really think that he is gonna get fired?
What would change the owners mind and say, I've had enough?

Win loss record.
Doubt that, I'm sure he was well aware of what was gonna happen when they gutted the team.

Fan disapproval.
Gimme a break.
Do you really believe that the fans really have a say in what happens with the team?
The die hards will stick.
The ones who can see what is going on will stick.
The fareweather fans will leave.
So what, they leave and then come back as soon as the team starts winning.

Stadium deal won't happen cause they are loosing.
Again, a falicy.
If the support from the voting public is what sways this then again, what has winning and loosing to do with it.
What really has anything to do with it in this arena is who pays, who will get paid and how soon everyone will start making money.

Everyone knows I am a Childress supporter.
Do I think he is the greatest coach in the world?
Do I think he is the next coming of Grant?
No, and No.
But what I do think is that we need to start providing some stability to this team with someone.
Like it or not, I think the owner also knows that there needs to be stability at the HC position to make this work.


Face it my friends, we can be as unhappy as hell with the HC and voice our opinion on every chat page in the world but if you think it has any impact on what is going on inside the walls/halls of Winter Park then you are just fooling yourself.

This organization has a plan and it started 2 years ago.
All we can do is ride it out.


Before no. I didn't thiink they would fire him. I thought one more year for him but I don't know how a coach can get us shutout for the first time in 16 years 34-0 BY THE PACKERS!!!! and live to coach another season. After that game. Yes I do think he will be fired. If he does I'll lose a lot of faith in the organization. Wilf is from NY so maybe he will live not understanding the rivalry between these two teams but I doubt it. Shutout by the Packers.


I tell you what will change their minds.....

1. Trying to get a stadium while your team is playing like crap and everyone is calling for the coaches head!!!

2. Revolt in the lockerroom with key veterans disliking the coach (esp. after the Twill debacle)

3. Lack of quality free agents coming to minnesota bc of the head coach... and the team sucking

4. Loosing fan support not bc of a lack of wins... but with the way the lack of wins are coming

5. taking a 9-7 team and turning them into a basement dweller perinially.... (2 years is an eternity in the
NFL atleast it feels that way..)

6. Lets face it..!! offense sells tickets and we have none!!!

So, i honestly think in the next few weeks, if we don't see improvement from the team, with the media pressure that wil surely insue.. he just may get fired.....

On a lighter note.. i think it's a little prejudgemental to call TJACK a bust!!!!

Look at Derek Anderson, he suked last year.. but now he's playing as good as any QB in the league with the exception of Brady....

He needs to sit his ass on the bench though.. and learn from a legit Vet... but not a bust in the least.. atleast not yet.. we won't know for another 1.5 years atleast...

and clearly after yesterday, outta the guys we have, he gives us the best chance to win... clearly.....

COJOMAY
11-12-2007, 03:50 PM
I still think Wilf is a businessman first and a owner second. And I don't think you need to look any futher than the Williamson debacle to see that. His business was being hurt by bad publicity and he corrected it. I'm betting Childress has nothing to do with the witholding of the check or the giving it back. Wilf figured $29,000 was chump change to quiet the unrest.

Marrdro
11-12-2007, 04:07 PM
1. Trying to get a stadium while your team is playing like crap and everyone is calling for the coaches head!!!
The stadium deal has nothing to do with fan support.
It has everything to do with who is gonna make money over this thing.
Hell, what percentage of the voters in MN are Vikings fans who give a squat about the team.
Keep kidding yourself my friend, it has very little to do with it.

Revenues, Kickbacks, pockets getting lined.
That is what it has to do with.


2. Revolt in the lockerroom with key veterans disliking the coach (esp. after the Twill debacle)
Again, another falacy that is only being perpituated on this site.
In fact Mike Golic said they were stupid for caving in.

Secondly, what locker room revolt.
Were do you see that?
What I did see was a organization that has a structure to work out issues like this in a calm manner work out an issue.
Revolt indeed.

Give me one example of a Veteran who has spoke out against this coach or his staff.


3. Lack of quality free agents coming to minnesota bc of the head coach... and the team sucking
What part of building through the draft don't you understand my friend?
What part of a shitty FA period don't you understand my friend?
Additonally, if we wanted any of the FA this year bad enough, a contract could have been structured to get them here.
It has nothing to do with the HC but what $$$ was/is offered.

4. Loosing fan support not bc of a lack of wins... but with the way the lack of wins are coming
We've been blown out once this year and just recently beat a team the turned around and beat the defending SB champs.
What is your point.
I feel it is a damn good job by the coaches that we are even in the games we've been in considering the youth of players we have at key positions.
Give me some more info.
Enlighten me please.


5. taking a 9-7 team and turning them into a basement dweller perinially.... (2 years is an eternity in the
NFL atleast it feels that way..)
At that is all it was, was a feel good team.
They had had 3 shitty drafts, the Vets were on the decline, talk about players discontent........I wonder if we would have even won 6 games the next year.
Pep wasn't gonna be healthy, OL stunk, no RB, etc etc etc.


6. Lets face it..!! offense sells tickets and we have none!!!
Face nothing.
A bunch of Randy Moss crotch sniffers loved the deep ball but defense wins championships.
We didn't have a defense.
Hell for that matter we couldn't win on the road. Winning sells tickets.


So, i honestly think in the next few weeks, if we don't see improvement from the team, with the media pressure that wil surely insue.. he just may get fired.....
Media pressure.
Again, is the media designed for the owner and the coach or for the fans?

Trust me my friend, the only one who cares what the media writes is you the fan and will have no immediate impact over the next couple of weeks.

VikingMike
11-12-2007, 04:11 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


OK, I read almost all of this.

Funny thing is do you really think that he is gonna get fired?
What would change the owners mind and say, I've had enough?

Win loss record.
Doubt that, I'm sure he was well aware of what was gonna happen when they gutted the team.

Fan disapproval.
Gimme a break.
Do you really believe that the fans really have a say in what happens with the team?
The die hards will stick.
The ones who can see what is going on will stick.
The fareweather fans will leave.
So what, they leave and then come back as soon as the team starts winning.

Stadium deal won't happen cause they are loosing.
Again, a falicy.
If the support from the voting public is what sways this then again, what has winning and loosing to do with it.
What really has anything to do with it in this arena is who pays, who will get paid and how soon everyone will start making money.

Everyone knows I am a Childress supporter.
Do I think he is the greatest coach in the world?
Do I think he is the next coming of Grant?
No, and No.
But what I do think is that we need to start providing some stability to this team with someone.
Like it or not, I think the owner also knows that there needs to be stability at the HC position to make this work.


Face it my friends, we can be as unhappy as hell with the HC and voice our opinion on every chat page in the world but if you think it has any impact on what is going on inside the walls/halls of Winter Park then you are just fooling yourself.

This organization has a plan and it started 2 years ago.
All we can do is ride it out.



Fan disapproval can make a difference...look at the NY Giants back in the late '70's. Zygi's a businessman first, and I think if he sees he made a mistake in his choice of a HC, he will take steps to rectify it. It all comes down to how much confidence he has in BC. But we'll find out at the end of the season...no way he would change during the season.

PurpleHornsOfDestruction
11-12-2007, 04:32 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ap07" wrote:


With a top of the line running back in AP who would not want the chance to coach him.
If we had a qb that could do anything we would not be where we are at.

Childress has had how long already?
This guy is not doing the job and if this continues we will lose fans at the games and then you all will be pissed off because the game wont be on tv.
If we make a move now maybe things can start to get better before they get even worse.

Lets face it Jackson was not the qb to draft.
He is a BUST and untill things change he will continue to be a bust.

Who should have they drafted?

Please give me a rundown of how the draft went and tell me who?




Round 1: If we couldn't have traded up like I had hoped and gotten Cutler but Greenway was fine. I might have taken Cromartie in that situation but if there was a attempt to trade to get Cutler I place no blame with Childress. I wanted up to trade up to the spot Denver did to the St. Louis spot but not much blame. But Cromartie was taken two picks later and who I personally wanted there. Maybe Santonio Holmes

Round 2a: With our pick I would have taken Kellen Clemens instead of Griffin. Clemens was taken right after our pick.
Round 2b: Greg Jennings WR instead of Ryan Cook. We needed a WR and I will laugh in your face if you want to tell me right now you would rather have Cook then Jenning.



Round 2c: I wouldn't have traded to this pick but Abdul Hodge was a physical beast in college. I would have taken him instead of Tarvaris Jackson Thi pick turns into
---Round 3: Clint INgram LB Oklahoma.
---Round 7: Jarrad Page

Round 4: Ray Edwards was just fine and I would have wrongly taken Dawan Landry S from Georgia Tech. I liked him He was a ball hawk and really good. It might have turned into a wash.

Round 6: Right now I would say Marques Colston! but then I would have taken Greg Eslinger C or Jeff Webb WR

I took on your challenge and here would have been the result:

Round 1: Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State (or Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State)
Round 2a: Kellen Clemens QB, Oregon
Round 2b: Greg Jenning, WR Western Michigan
Round 3: Clint Ingram, LB Oklahoma
Round 4: Dawan Landry S, Georgia Tech
Round 6: Greg Eslinger C, Minnesota
Round 7: Jarrad Page, S, UCLA

I like that a lot better

Marrdro
11-12-2007, 04:42 PM
"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ap07" wrote:


With a top of the line running back in AP who would not want the chance to coach him.
If we had a qb that could do anything we would not be where we are at.

Childress has had how long already?
This guy is not doing the job and if this continues we will lose fans at the games and then you all will be pissed off because the game wont be on tv.
If we make a move now maybe things can start to get better before they get even worse.

Lets face it Jackson was not the qb to draft.
He is a BUST and untill things change he will continue to be a bust.

Who should have they drafted?

Please give me a rundown of how the draft went and tell me who?




Round 1: If we couldn't have traded up like I had hoped and gotten Cutler but Greenway was fine. I might have taken Cromartie in that situation but if there was a attempt to trade to get Cutler I place no blame with Childress. I wanted up to trade up to the spot Denver did to the St. Louis spot but not much blame. But Cromartie was taken two picks later and who I personally wanted there.

Round 2a: With our pick I would have taken Kellen Clemens instead of Griffin. Clemens was taken right after our pick.
Round 2b: Greg Jennings WR instead of Ryan Cook. We needed a WR and I will laugh in your face if you want to tell me right now you would rather have Cook then Jenning.




Round 2c: I wouldn't have traded to this pick but Abdul Hodge was a physical beast in college. I would have taken him instead of Tarvaris Jackson Thi pick turns into
---Round 3: Clint INgram LB Oklahoma.
---Round 7: Jarrad Page

Round 4: Ray Edwards was just fine and I would have wrongly taken Dawan Landry S from Georgia Tech. I liked him He was a ball hawk and really good. It might have turned into a wash.

Round 6: Right now I would say Marques Colston! but then I would have taken Greg Eslinger C or Jeff Webb WR

I took on your challenge and here would have been the result:

Round 1: Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
Round 2a: Kellen Clemens QB, Oregon
Round 2b: Greg Jenning, WR Western Michigan
Round 3: Clint Ingram, LB Oklahoma
Round 4: Dawan Landry S, Georgia Tech
Round 6: Greg Eslinger C, Minnesota
Round 7: Jarrad Page, S, UCLA

I like that a lot better

Very nice.
Problem is you left out some of the dynamic behind why we picked who and were we did...

Focus of this draft was to improve the D not the O.
Remember, at that point we thought we were set at QB, had and issue at C and needed Defensive help at LB and CB.

A. We really needed a LB (Remember, we had Brad at QB).
We weren't looking for a QB to come in right away. I liked the Greenway pick.
b. Secondly we needed depth or a replacement behind Smoot.
This along with our LB's were a concern on the defensive side of the ball.
Again, focus was on defense that year and not getting a starter at QB.
c. Sure we could have taken clemens here but no one behind us when the pick was made wanted a QB.
Bad luck that NYJ moved up and took Clemens right after us.

Now if you look at who was left (you've seen me do this alot, what players were left) again, to develop, not come in and start in the near future?

I blame the organizaton for goofing in this draft.
They should have known that the Jets wanted Clemens, they also should have known what Denver wanted for the pick and maybe paid what they wanted.
Again, said it alot lately but that is why someone got fired and we now have Spielman sitting in that chair of responsibility.

Very nice my friend.
Very Nice.

funkyasflea
11-12-2007, 05:02 PM
Ok, I know I sound crazy, and I have only posted on here a few times, but hear me out.
I think that Denny should be given another chance in MN.
One thing that he did do for us is put together one helluva offense, and that is exactly what we need.
Maybe he could even do a bit more to grab Larry Fitzgerald.
I don't know if it has been posted here yet, but I have heard that Larry really wants to come back to Minnesota once his contract is up.
I work with a guy that knew him in Highschool.
Having his current head coach out here would only help our chances at snagging him I would think, he's a Vikings fan at heart!

Just think about it....so we get Denny.....Larry ends up coming along once his contract is up....Denny works his 1998 magic on our offense, and we've got a decent team.
All Denny would really have to do is make a decision at QB, which he obviously can do seeing the deep talent we had back in the day (Brad, Cunningham, Culpepper (when he was good), even Frerrotte could have started and he did a few games!).
Denny has a good eye for QBs.
He has had a rough patch down in AZ, but look at the team when he started down there...he got thrown right into the middle of a shit storm.
Given our situation I think that he would be our best option (next to Cowher of course.....)

GreenBaySlackers
11-12-2007, 05:27 PM
"funkyasflea" wrote:


Ok, I know I sound crazy, and I have only posted on here a few times, but hear me out.
I think that Denny should be given another chance in MN.
One thing that he did do for us is put together one helluva offense, and that is exactly what we need.
Maybe he could even do a bit more to grab Larry Fitzgerald.
I don't know if it has been posted here yet, but I have heard that Larry really wants to come back to Minnesota once his contract is up.
I work with a guy that knew him in Highschool.
Having his current head coach out here would only help our chances at snagging him I would think, he's a Vikings fan at heart!

Just think about it....so we get Denny.....Larry ends up coming along once his contract is up....Denny works his 1998 magic on our offense, and we've got a decent team.
All Denny would really have to do is make a decision at QB, which he obviously can do seeing the deep talent we had back in the day (Brad, Cunningham, Culpepper (when he was good), even Frerrotte could have started and he did a few games!).
Denny has a good eye for QBs.
He has had a rough patch down in AZ, but look at the team when he started down there...he got thrown right into the middle of a pooh storm.
Given our situation I think that he would be our best option (next to Cowher of course.....)


Ken Wisenhunt is the Coach in AZ now, not Denny.
I'm pretty sure he quit.
I don't know how much influence he would have with Fitzgerald.

funkyasflea
11-12-2007, 05:58 PM
"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"funkyasflea" wrote:


Ok, I know I sound crazy, and I have only posted on here a few times, but hear me out.
I think that Denny should be given another chance in MN.
One thing that he did do for us is put together one helluva offense, and that is exactly what we need.
Maybe he could even do a bit more to grab Larry Fitzgerald.
I don't know if it has been posted here yet, but I have heard that Larry really wants to come back to Minnesota once his contract is up.
I work with a guy that knew him in Highschool.
Having his current head coach out here would only help our chances at snagging him I would think, he's a Vikings fan at heart!

Just think about it....so we get Denny.....Larry ends up coming along once his contract is up....Denny works his 1998 magic on our offense, and we've got a decent team.
All Denny would really have to do is make a decision at QB, which he obviously can do seeing the deep talent we had back in the day (Brad, Cunningham, Culpepper (when he was good), even Frerrotte could have started and he did a few games!).
Denny has a good eye for QBs.
He has had a rough patch down in AZ, but look at the team when he started down there...he got thrown right into the middle of a pooh storm.
Given our situation I think that he would be our best option (next to Cowher of course.....)


Ken Wisenhunt is the Coach in AZ now, not Denny.
I'm pretty sure he quit.
I don't know how much influence he would have with Fitzgerald.


Still I think he would be a good option.
it would not hurt with Fitz.
he already wants to come here.
He is farmilliar with the Vikings organization, he loves Minnesota, and if Denny was here he would already have experience in his system.

GreenBaySlackers
11-12-2007, 06:09 PM
"funkyasflea" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"funkyasflea" wrote:


Ok, I know I sound crazy, and I have only posted on here a few times, but hear me out.
I think that Denny should be given another chance in MN.
One thing that he did do for us is put together one helluva offense, and that is exactly what we need.
Maybe he could even do a bit more to grab Larry Fitzgerald.
I don't know if it has been posted here yet, but I have heard that Larry really wants to come back to Minnesota once his contract is up.
I work with a guy that knew him in Highschool.
Having his current head coach out here would only help our chances at snagging him I would think, he's a Vikings fan at heart!

Just think about it....so we get Denny.....Larry ends up coming along once his contract is up....Denny works his 1998 magic on our offense, and we've got a decent team.
All Denny would really have to do is make a decision at QB, which he obviously can do seeing the deep talent we had back in the day (Brad, Cunningham, Culpepper (when he was good), even Frerrotte could have started and he did a few games!).
Denny has a good eye for QBs.
He has had a rough patch down in AZ, but look at the team when he started down there...he got thrown right into the middle of a pooh storm.
Given our situation I think that he would be our best option (next to Cowher of course.....)


Ken Wisenhunt is the Coach in AZ now, not Denny.
I'm pretty sure he quit.
I don't know how much influence he would have with Fitzgerald.


Still I think he would be a good option.
it would not hurt with Fitz.
he already wants to come here.
He is farmilliar with the Vikings organization, he loves Minnesota, and if Denny was here he would already have experience in his system.


The rumors that he wants to come back to minnesota have been floating around for a while now.
I remember it big time this past offseason.
I don't think they hold any water.
It would be nice... but I don't see it.

HornedHat
11-12-2007, 06:10 PM
The fans may not get a coach fired; but, It sure doesn't help you, if your the coach. You have two loser seasons. The second season is worse than the first. You are responsible for some truly bad performances on your watch. Your annointed QB of the future is showing no signs of growth AND he seems to be somewhat injury prone, retarding his growth even more. There have been questions about your player's faith in you, and your ability to communicate with them. You have ONE bright spot, in your drafting; however, you are not the primary decision maker on those drafts (or so I imagine). Normally, you might expect one more season as a minimum in the modern NFL; but you need your team to show something before the end of the year. If yout team continues it's Dr Jeckyl/ mostly Hyde behavior, and the Fans beat the drum louder each week. The media continues to harass you, and you remain plagued by bad PR (TWill). You Might get youir butt fired after two seasons. And remember one thing: the owner is supposed to be the biggest fan. Wilf can't be enjoying this. I think Chill would have to do some mighty fine talking to keep his job. I hope he turns it around this season; but if he can't....Good Bye. I was prepared for a losing season, but I expected to see growth, and I haven't. The only truly good thing has been AD, and we were lucky he fell to us. Chill didn't have anything to do with it.

DeathtoDenny
11-12-2007, 06:17 PM
I don't know why anyone is worried about Wilf being cheap. Williamson was docked according to the strict code of conduct that he signed. I work the Vikings account at the Metrodome and since Wilf bought the team, 3 new megasuites were built, LCD flatscreens were put into all of the suites, The Vikings Lounge was remodeled, and the Ticket Office and Players entrance which used to be a shi*hole has been converted into a long hallway of Viking legends. The Vikings actually own the suites, lounge and lockerroom and since he started doing all of the remodeling, the MSFC have actually tried to keep up. The dome is a much better looking place than it was 3 years ago. They still had the original TVs from 1982 in the concourse up until Red McCombs left! Wilf wants a quality franchise, just made a terrible choice with Wilf and Spielman.

vikingTurf
11-12-2007, 06:24 PM
"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"funkyasflea" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"funkyasflea" wrote:


Ok, I know I sound crazy, and I have only posted on here a few times, but hear me out.
I think that Denny should be given another chance in MN.
One thing that he did do for us is put together one helluva offense, and that is exactly what we need.
Maybe he could even do a bit more to grab Larry Fitzgerald.
I don't know if it has been posted here yet, but I have heard that Larry really wants to come back to Minnesota once his contract is up.
I work with a guy that knew him in Highschool.
Having his current head coach out here would only help our chances at snagging him I would think, he's a Vikings fan at heart!

Just think about it....so we get Denny.....Larry ends up coming along once his contract is up....Denny works his 1998 magic on our offense, and we've got a decent team.
All Denny would really have to do is make a decision at QB, which he obviously can do seeing the deep talent we had back in the day (Brad, Cunningham, Culpepper (when he was good), even Frerrotte could have started and he did a few games!).
Denny has a good eye for QBs.
He has had a rough patch down in AZ, but look at the team when he started down there...he got thrown right into the middle of a pooh storm.
Given our situation I think that he would be our best option (next to Cowher of course.....)


Ken Wisenhunt is the Coach in AZ now, not Denny.
I'm pretty sure he quit.
I don't know how much influence he would have with Fitzgerald.


Still I think he would be a good option.
it would not hurt with Fitz.
he already wants to come here.
He is farmilliar with the Vikings organization, he loves Minnesota, and if Denny was here he would already have experience in his system.


The rumors that he wants to come back to minnesota have been floating around for a while now.
I remember it big time this past offseason.
I don't think they hold any water.
It would be nice... but I don't see it.

"The packers are who we thought they were, ...if you want to crown them, crown the a**, but they are who we thought they were. " I am sure Denny would be along those lines had be in place of childress yesterday, I would prefer that than him making love to favre at end of the game :)

FuadFan
11-12-2007, 06:26 PM
IMO I happen to think it is EXTREMELY UNREALISTIC that Cower or Schottenheimer would want the Vikings job. Aside from my notion that neither want to jump back into coaching right away I think they would wait for a team with a franchise QB among other pieces to want to start their attempt at running a new team.

litlharsh
11-12-2007, 06:28 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ap07" wrote:


With a top of the line running back in AP who would not want the chance to coach him.
If we had a qb that could do anything we would not be where we are at.

Childress has had how long already?
This guy is not doing the job and if this continues we will lose fans at the games and then you all will be pissed off because the game wont be on tv.
If we make a move now maybe things can start to get better before they get even worse.

Lets face it Jackson was not the qb to draft.
He is a BUST and untill things change he will continue to be a bust.

Who should have they drafted?

Please give me a rundown of how the draft went and tell me who?
How about Kellen Clemens with the 1st pick and Cedric with the second? or Abdul Hodge?

litlharsh
11-12-2007, 06:32 PM
"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:

Stuff I agree with
haha yeah I was thinking the same exact things as you bro. I just posted before I saw this. I was SO hoping it'd be Clemens and Hodge. eh.

HornedHat
11-12-2007, 06:35 PM
I recall I was thinking Hodge and Clemons at the time. I wasn't thinking Cook and T-Jack. I was cool with picking Griffin, though.

MaxVike
11-12-2007, 06:41 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ap07" wrote:


With a top of the line running back in AP who would not want the chance to coach him.
If we had a qb that could do anything we would not be where we are at.

Childress has had how long already?
This guy is not doing the job and if this continues we will lose fans at the games and then you all will be pissed off because the game wont be on tv.
If we make a move now maybe things can start to get better before they get even worse.

Lets face it Jackson was not the qb to draft.
He is a BUST and untill things change he will continue to be a bust.

Who should have they drafted?

Please give me a rundown of how the draft went and tell me who?




Round 1: If we couldn't have traded up like I had hoped and gotten Cutler but Greenway was fine. I might have taken Cromartie in that situation but if there was a attempt to trade to get Cutler I place no blame with Childress. I wanted up to trade up to the spot Denver did to the St. Louis spot but not much blame. But Cromartie was taken two picks later and who I personally wanted there.

Round 2a: With our pick I would have taken Kellen Clemens instead of Griffin. Clemens was taken right after our pick.
Round 2b: Greg Jennings WR instead of Ryan Cook. We needed a WR and I will laugh in your face if you want to tell me right now you would rather have Cook then Jenning.




Round 2c: I wouldn't have traded to this pick but Abdul Hodge was a physical beast in college. I would have taken him instead of Tarvaris Jackson Thi pick turns into
---Round 3: Clint INgram LB Oklahoma.
---Round 7: Jarrad Page

Round 4: Ray Edwards was just fine and I would have wrongly taken Dawan Landry S from Georgia Tech. I liked him He was a ball hawk and really good. It might have turned into a wash.

Round 6: Right now I would say Marques Colston! but then I would have taken Greg Eslinger C or Jeff Webb WR

I took on your challenge and here would have been the result:

Round 1: Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
Round 2a: Kellen Clemens QB, Oregon
Round 2b: Greg Jenning, WR Western Michigan
Round 3: Clint Ingram, LB Oklahoma
Round 4: Dawan Landry S, Georgia Tech
Round 6: Greg Eslinger C, Minnesota
Round 7: Jarrad Page, S, UCLA

I like that a lot better

Very nice.
Problem is you left out some of the dynamic behind why we picked who and were we did...

Focus of this draft was to improve the D not the O.
Remember, at that point we thought we were set at QB, had and issue at C and needed Defensive help at LB and CB.

A. We really needed a LB (Remember, we had Brad at QB).
We weren't looking for a QB to come in right away. I liked the Greenway pick.
b. Secondly we needed depth or a replacement behind Smoot.
This along with our LB's were a concern on the defensive side of the ball.
Again, focus was on defense that year and not getting a starter at QB.
c. Sure we could have taken clemens here but no one behind us when the pick was made wanted a QB.
Bad luck that NYJ moved up and took Clemens right after us.

Now if you look at who was left (you've seen me do this alot, what players were left) again, to develop, not come in and start in the near future?

I blame the organizaton for goofing in this draft.
They should have known that the Jets wanted Clemens, they also should have known what Denver wanted for the pick and maybe paid what they wanted.
Again, said it alot lately but that is why someone got fired and we now have Spielman sitting in that chair of responsibility.

Very nice my friend.
Very Nice.


Good post(s) and, I largely agree.
Yes, you can debate the TJack choice forever, and, many will.
AND, I totally agree regarding Clemens, he may turn out to be a good player ultimately.

Here's another premise.
Do we lack a pass rush?

Upon further review, this draft wasn't our only issue, go back one year for further clarification.
Our 2005 Draft is arguably our BIGGEST issue today...it was an unmitigated disaster.
Given that, we were not, at that time, looking for a QB.
When you have a #7 pick you better hit it.
How do you hit it...well, you draft BPA.
We picked Troy Williamson, complete bust; sorry, complete bust.
Was he BPA?
Ah, no.
Here's the 1st Round of 2005:

1 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2 Ronnie Brown RB Auburn Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson RB Texas Chicago Bears
5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones CB West Virginia Tennessee Titans
7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
8 Antrel Rolle DB Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals
9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams WR USC Detroit Lions
11 DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy State Dallas Cowboys
12 Shawne Merriman OLB Maryland San Diego Chargers
13 Jammal Brown T Oklahoma New Orleans Saints
14 Thomas Davis DB Georgia Carolina Panthers
15 Derrick Johnson OLB Texas Kansas City Chiefs
16 Travis Johnson DT Florida State Houston Texans
17 David Pollack LB Georgia Cincinnati Bengals
18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin Minnesota Vikings
19 Alex Barron T Florida State St. Louis Rams
20 Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State Dallas Cowboys
21 Matt Jones WR Arkansas Jacksonville Jaguars
22 Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma Baltimore Ravens
23 Fabian Washington CB Nebraska Oakland Raiders
24 Aaron Rodgers QB California Green Bay Packers
25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn Washington Redskins
26 Chris Spencer C Mississippi Seattle Seahawks
27 Roddy White WR Alabama-Birmingham Atlanta Falcons
28 Luis Castillo DE Northwestern San Diego Chargers
29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan Indianapolis Colts
30 Heath Miller TE Virginia Pittsburgh Steelers
31 Mike Patterson DT USC Philadelphia Eagles
32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State New England Patriots

Upon further reflection, it becomes obvious that TWill was a reach.
So, I ask you, where would you have gone with these two, high picks (that have BOTH been busts) gone?
At that time, we needed a pass rush, just like we do today.
If you look at the rest of the draft, WR was WEAK, at best.
How about Carlos Rogers?
Merriman?
Andre Ware?
Derrick Johnson (the pick I wanted)?
Jammal Brown (the other pick I wanted)?
James was arguably a good pick.
Williamson, ah, no.

The rest of the 2005 Draft was equally bad:
2005 - Minnesota Vikings
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
1 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2 49 Marcus Johnson G Mississippi
3 80 Dustin Fox DB Ohio State
4 112 Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
6 191 C.J. Mosley DT Missouri
7 219 Adrian Ward -- Texas-El Paso

Oh, wait, maybe not...C.J. Mosley was ultimately converted to Brooks Bollinger
::).

The Vikes missed on #7 in 2005 BIG TIME.
Erasmus James hasn't been healthy enough to make any difference...popcorn fart.
You can make a valid argument that no player drafted in 2005 is making any contribution whatsoever.
2006, ok, we missed one.
2007, quite possibly our best draft ever.

Now, to close the loop; the pick that Childress (on the surface) had the most to do with is TJack...another critical mistake on Draft Day.
He needs to be held accountable if he actually WAS key in the process.
Also, I'm wondering if the players respect him as a leader or look at him as the person in charge of them while they "do their job."

litlharsh
11-12-2007, 06:43 PM
"HornedHat" wrote:


I recall I was thinking Hodge and Clemons at the time. I wasn't thinking Cook and T-Jack. I was cool with picking Griffin, though.
Yeah, I remember I was in some like Phoenix ghetto doin some random community service stuff. I checked my phone and saw we chose Cedric Griffin, Ryan Cook, and Tarvaris. I had never heard of any of them.

Griff is really coming along, I really like him. I remember thinking that being disappointed that my ideal draft could've gone through, but I was alright with the selection. Ryan Cook just made me lol in spite of myself.

litlharsh
11-12-2007, 06:45 PM
"MaxVike" wrote:

1st round draft 2005

Why oh why did we not take Derrick Johnson? That would've freed up the next year's 1st rounder which we probably would've taken deangelo williams. so i guess its a good thing we didn't take DJ.

MaxVike
11-12-2007, 07:20 PM
"litlharsh" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:

1st round draft 2005

Why oh why did we not take Derrick Johnson? That would've freed up the next year's 1st rounder which we probably would've taken deangelo williams. so i guess its a good thing we didn't take DJ.


You got my point, even though I didn't say (write) it.
We are where we are because of 2005, among MANY other things.

litlharsh
11-12-2007, 07:33 PM
"MaxVike" wrote:


"litlharsh" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:

1st round draft 2005

Why oh why did we not take Derrick Johnson? That would've freed up the next year's 1st rounder which we probably would've taken deangelo williams. so i guess its a good thing we didn't take DJ.


You got my point, even though I didn't say (write) it.
We are where we are because of 2005, among MANY other things.
haha yeah i had a little epiphany in the middle of my post.

HornedHat
11-12-2007, 07:50 PM
So here's what we got ( I may have left some off):

Cowher, Marty, Mooch, Linehan, Mularkey, Dennis, Dick Lebeau, Martz, Jimmy Johnson, Ditka, Bud Grant, Jim Mora, Gregg Williams, Tom Moore, Garrett, Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis from the Pro ranks.

I would add Al Saunders. I think it may be possible to add Dungy, if he tires of his old gig, but he'd probably want a year off. And ole Chucky in TB might become available.

The college ranks give us Frentz, Meyer, Rutgers dude, Richt and Carroll.

I would add the LSU HC.

I personally don't favor college coaches. I would be very concerned about hiring a spread offense guy like Meyer, because I don't think that offense would translate well. Pete Carroll I would be excited about, but he would need a lot of money, so I doubt it ( but he was our D-Co-ordinator once, wasn't he?).

Cowher? Money, plus he can cherry pick his next job. It'd take a lot a bucks. Marty? Yeah, I think he could be hired, and I wouldn't mind him, especially compared to Chill. Jimmy, Ditka and Bud are likely not going to coach again, and are mostly joke suggestions anyway. I don't care about the rest of the pro suggestions, but maybe Mora. I'd like Dungy, but he won't be available soon enough, I don't think.

So, everything being equal: I'd hope we try very hard for Cowher or Carroll, hope for Dungy, be optimistic about Marty, settle for Mora and would consider LSU guy (too lazy to look his name up, and can't remember this moment: is it Brown?) The rest of em are just guys, as far as I can tell, and don't give me a lot of confidence as prospective Viking HCs. I'd probably take the Denny Green experience over the Chill, but I've already seen that movie.

How about a GM? Do ya think Parcells could do that job better than what we've got? I don't mean HC and GM. Just GM. I think he and Wilf are friendly, so.....maybe.

BadlandsVikings
11-12-2007, 09:38 PM
http://espn.starwave.com/i/media/ncf/2003/1016/photo/g_paterno_vi.jpg

C Mac D
11-12-2007, 09:41 PM
"BadlandsViking" wrote:


http://espn.starwave.com/i/media/ncf/2003/1016/photo/g_paterno_vi.jpg


Hahahaha, we'd have him for a year before he bites the dust

Marrdro
11-13-2007, 07:46 AM
"funkyasflea" wrote:


"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"funkyasflea" wrote:


Ok, I know I sound crazy, and I have only posted on here a few times, but hear me out.
I think that Denny should be given another chance in MN.
One thing that he did do for us is put together one helluva offense, and that is exactly what we need.
Maybe he could even do a bit more to grab Larry Fitzgerald.
I don't know if it has been posted here yet, but I have heard that Larry really wants to come back to Minnesota once his contract is up.
I work with a guy that knew him in Highschool.
Having his current head coach out here would only help our chances at snagging him I would think, he's a Vikings fan at heart!

Just think about it....so we get Denny.....Larry ends up coming along once his contract is up....Denny works his 1998 magic on our offense, and we've got a decent team.
All Denny would really have to do is make a decision at QB, which he obviously can do seeing the deep talent we had back in the day (Brad, Cunningham, Culpepper (when he was good), even Frerrotte could have started and he did a few games!).
Denny has a good eye for QBs.
He has had a rough patch down in AZ, but look at the team when he started down there...he got thrown right into the middle of a pooh storm.
Given our situation I think that he would be our best option (next to Cowher of course.....)


Ken Wisenhunt is the Coach in AZ now, not Denny.
I'm pretty sure he quit.
I don't know how much influence he would have with Fitzgerald.


Still I think he would be a good option.
it would not hurt with Fitz.
he already wants to come here.
He is farmilliar with the Vikings organization, he loves Minnesota, and if Denny was here he would already have experience in his system.

The problem I see with Denny is that he wants to be GM and Head Coach at the same time.
Not a good fit if you ask me if he tries to be both.
There needs to be a clear division between the two or things will get dropped.

Long story short, we don't need a head coach to clear this mess up, we need a GM to come in and straighten things out.

One thing I blame Ziggy for is the whole Triangle of authority.
It didn't work in the 2006 draft and it isn't working now.

Marrdro
11-13-2007, 07:53 AM
"HornedHat" wrote:


So here's what we got ( I may have left some off):

Cowher, Marty, Mooch, Linehan, Mularkey, Dennis, slick willy Lebeau, Martz, Jimmy Johnson, Ditka, Bud Grant, Jim Mora, Gregg Williams, Tom Moore, Garrett, Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis from the Pro ranks.

I would add Al Saunders. I think it may be possible to add Dungy, if he tires of his old gig, but he'd probably want a year off. And ole Chucky in TB might become available.

The college ranks give us Frentz, Meyer, Rutgers dude, Richt and Carroll.

I would add the LSU HC.

I personally don't favor college coaches. I would be very concerned about hiring a spread offense guy like Meyer, because I don't think that offense would translate well. Pete Carroll I would be excited about, but he would need a lot of money, so I doubt it ( but he was our D-Co-ordinator once, wasn't he?).

Cowher? Money, plus he can cherry pick his next job. It'd take a lot a bucks. Marty? Yeah, I think he could be hired, and I wouldn't mind him, especially compared to Chill. Jimmy, Ditka and Bud are likely not going to coach again, and are mostly joke suggestions anyway. I don't care about the rest of the pro suggestions, but maybe Mora. I'd like Dungy, but he won't be available soon enough, I don't think.

So, everything being equal: I'd hope we try very hard for Cowher or Carroll, hope for Dungy, be optimistic about Marty, settle for Mora and would consider LSU guy (too lazy to look his name up, and can't remember this moment: is it Brown?) The rest of em are just guys, as far as I can tell, and don't give me a lot of confidence as prospective Viking HCs. I'd probably take the Denny Green experience over the Chill, but I've already seen that movie.

How about a GM? Do ya think Parcells could do that job better than what we've got? I don't mean HC and GM. Just GM. I think he and Wilf are friendly, so.....maybe.

Very nice post indeed.

I just think that if we had a GM things wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

a.
Fans who don't have a clue about how a front office works would probably be able to differentiate between what/who does what role.
b.
We wouldn't have screwed the pooch on a couple of picks in the 2006 draft.
Don't get me wrong, I liked all the pics but think we took 2 ahead of schedule because we missed out on a couple of others.
c.
A GM would also work with the PR department to make sure public perception is maximized. I really think the Vikings do a very bad job at this.
That above all else is what will hold back the stadium effort.

Again, very nice rundown on the coaches my friend.
;D

AngloVike
11-13-2007, 09:12 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"HornedHat" wrote:


So here's what we got ( I may have left some off):

Cowher, Marty, Mooch, Linehan, Mularkey, Dennis, slick willy Lebeau, Martz, Jimmy Johnson, Ditka, Bud Grant, Jim Mora, Gregg Williams, Tom Moore, Garrett, Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis from the Pro ranks.

I would add Al Saunders. I think it may be possible to add Dungy, if he tires of his old gig, but he'd probably want a year off. And ole Chucky in TB might become available.

The college ranks give us Frentz, Meyer, Rutgers dude, Richt and Carroll.

I would add the LSU HC.

I personally don't favor college coaches. I would be very concerned about hiring a spread offense guy like Meyer, because I don't think that offense would translate well. Pete Carroll I would be excited about, but he would need a lot of money, so I doubt it ( but he was our D-Co-ordinator once, wasn't he?).

Cowher? Money, plus he can cherry pick his next job. It'd take a lot a bucks. Marty? Yeah, I think he could be hired, and I wouldn't mind him, especially compared to Chill. Jimmy, Ditka and Bud are likely not going to coach again, and are mostly joke suggestions anyway. I don't care about the rest of the pro suggestions, but maybe Mora. I'd like Dungy, but he won't be available soon enough, I don't think.

So, everything being equal: I'd hope we try very hard for Cowher or Carroll, hope for Dungy, be optimistic about Marty, settle for Mora and would consider LSU guy (too lazy to look his name up, and can't remember this moment: is it Brown?) The rest of em are just guys, as far as I can tell, and don't give me a lot of confidence as prospective Viking HCs. I'd probably take the Denny Green experience over the Chill, but I've already seen that movie.

How about a GM? Do ya think Parcells could do that job better than what we've got? I don't mean HC and GM. Just GM. I think he and Wilf are friendly, so.....maybe.

Very nice post indeed.

I just think that if we had a GM things wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

a.
Fans who don't have a clue about how a front office works would probably be able to differentiate between what/who does what role.
b.
We wouldn't have screwed the pooch on a couple of picks in the 2006 draft.
Don't get me wrong, I liked all the pics but think we took 2 ahead of schedule because we missed out on a couple of others.
c.
A GM would also work with the PR department to make sure public perception is maximized. I really think the Vikings do a very bad job at this.
That above all else is what will hold back the stadium effort.

Again, very nice rundown on the coaches my friend.
;D

I'd agree with Marrdro that it was a very good post. I'd be overjoyed with someone like Cowher but I just can't see him wanting to come to Minny. I don't think money would be the issue as Zygi would put the $$ up but I'd see Cowher wanting to go to a large market team. Having said that it would be an ideal challenge for him and, if he turned the team around, would cement his place in NFL history even more.

bleedpurple
11-13-2007, 09:16 AM
If those are the only coaches available, then I don't see much marked improvement over who we have now.. with the exception of a few..

I'd rather get it right the next time, then hiring somebody then for the sake of doing it just to get rid of Brad...

If someone else doesn't pop up, then unless we can get Cower, there's really no need to Fire the dude... GOD I CAN"T BELIEVE I SAID THAT!!!!

might as well suffer through another year, then hire someone else and suffer for two or three more...

But Brad is sucha douche though...

AngloVike
11-13-2007, 09:21 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


If those are the only coaches available, then I don't see much marked improvement over who we have now.. with the exception of a few..

I'd rather get it right the next time, then hiring somebody then for the sake of doing it just to get rid of Brad...

If someone else doesn't pop up, then unless we can get Cower, there's really no need to Fire the dude... GOD I CAN"T BELIEVE I SAID THAT!!!!

might as well suffer through another year, then hire someone else and suffer for two or three more...

But Brad is sucha douche though...

better the devil you know eh ??
lol

C Mac D
11-13-2007, 09:22 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


If those are the only coaches available, then I don't see much marked improvement over who we have now.. with the exception of a few..

I'd rather get it right the next time, then hiring somebody then for the sake of doing it just to get rid of Brad...

If someone else doesn't pop up, then unless we can get Cower, there's really no need to Fire the dude... GOD I CAN"T BELIEVE I SAID THAT!!!!

might as well suffer through another year, then hire someone else and suffer for two or three more...

But Brad is sucha douche though...


Amen, brother.

Marrdro
11-13-2007, 09:31 AM
"AngloVike" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"HornedHat" wrote:


So here's what we got ( I may have left some off):

Cowher, Marty, Mooch, Linehan, Mularkey, Dennis, slick willy Lebeau, Martz, Jimmy Johnson, Ditka, Bud Grant, Jim Mora, Gregg Williams, Tom Moore, Garrett, Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis from the Pro ranks.

I would add Al Saunders. I think it may be possible to add Dungy, if he tires of his old gig, but he'd probably want a year off. And ole Chucky in TB might become available.

The college ranks give us Frentz, Meyer, Rutgers dude, Richt and Carroll.

I would add the LSU HC.

I personally don't favor college coaches. I would be very concerned about hiring a spread offense guy like Meyer, because I don't think that offense would translate well. Pete Carroll I would be excited about, but he would need a lot of money, so I doubt it ( but he was our D-Co-ordinator once, wasn't he?).

Cowher? Money, plus he can cherry pick his next job. It'd take a lot a bucks. Marty? Yeah, I think he could be hired, and I wouldn't mind him, especially compared to Chill. Jimmy, Ditka and Bud are likely not going to coach again, and are mostly joke suggestions anyway. I don't care about the rest of the pro suggestions, but maybe Mora. I'd like Dungy, but he won't be available soon enough, I don't think.

So, everything being equal: I'd hope we try very hard for Cowher or Carroll, hope for Dungy, be optimistic about Marty, settle for Mora and would consider LSU guy (too lazy to look his name up, and can't remember this moment: is it Brown?) The rest of em are just guys, as far as I can tell, and don't give me a lot of confidence as prospective Viking HCs. I'd probably take the Denny Green experience over the Chill, but I've already seen that movie.

How about a GM? Do ya think Parcells could do that job better than what we've got? I don't mean HC and GM. Just GM. I think he and Wilf are friendly, so.....maybe.

Very nice post indeed.

I just think that if we had a GM things wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

a.
Fans who don't have a clue about how a front office works would probably be able to differentiate between what/who does what role.
b.
We wouldn't have screwed the pooch on a couple of picks in the 2006 draft.
Don't get me wrong, I liked all the pics but think we took 2 ahead of schedule because we missed out on a couple of others.
c.
A GM would also work with the PR department to make sure public perception is maximized. I really think the Vikings do a very bad job at this.
That above all else is what will hold back the stadium effort.

Again, very nice rundown on the coaches my friend.
;D

I'd agree with Marrdro that it was a very good post. I'd be overjoyed with someone like Cowher but I just can't see him wanting to come to Minny. I don't think money would be the issue as Zygi would put the $$ up but I'd see Cowher wanting to go to a large market team. Having said that it would be an ideal challenge for him and, if he turned the team around, would cement his place in NFL history even more.

I'm not so sure he wouldn't want to come here.

There are only 32 of these jobs avail.
Several, based on the current HC sitting the seat aren't/won't be open for like every.

That leaves very few that would/could draw Mr. Cowher out.


The Vikes are a Storied Organization.
The Vikes have a pretty new owner who wants to win.
The Vikes have a very good core of young players with a very nice mix of Vets.
With that said, the Vikes also are 1 or 2 players away from being a very good team (DE/QB/WR).

What coach wouldn't want to come in, push the Player Personel people to bring those guys in and start winning right away.

I would feel sorry for the Chiller and his staff for doing all the work and having it ripped out from under them just cause a bunch of fans are pissing and short minded.

Heck, as I've said before, I don't see the Chiller going anywere.
I am sure the Wilfs are smart enough to see what I see.
;D

jmcdon00
11-13-2007, 09:44 AM
Jon Gruden is the best coach in the NFL. If he ever becomes available they should fire whoever is in charge and get him. I would even be will to give up a couple of draft picks for him(it worked for Tampa).

Other wise I might go with Mike Martz. He is not a head coach right now and probably wants another shot.

Cowher is OK but I would rather have shottenheimer.

I think this team needs someone that has won in the past to give them a little confidence and to put the final pieces of the puzzle together.

But seriously, I think Chilly should get a couple more years to fully implement his plans. They said from the beginning that they were taking a long term approach and they are just in the very beginning. I think that Chilly is learning alot and made a lot of mistakes but most first time head coaches do. If you look at who is winning in the NFL it is the teams that are patient with there coacher(Colts, Patriots,Pittsburgh(before this year)).

Marrdro
11-13-2007, 09:46 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


Jon Gruden is the best coach in the NFL. If he ever becomes available they should fire whoever is in charge and get him. I would even be will to give up a couple of draft picks for him(it worked for Tampa).

Other wise I might go with Mike Martz. He is not a head coach right now and probably wants another shot.

Cowher is OK but I would rather have shottenheimer.

I think this team needs someone that has won in the past to give them a little confidence and to put the final pieces of the puzzle together.

But seriously, I think Chilly should get a couple more years to fully implement his plans. They said from the beginning that they were taking a long term approach and they are just in the very beginning. I think that Chilly is learning alot and made a lot of mistakes but most first time head coaches do. If you look at who is winning in the NFL it is the teams that are patient with there coacher(Colts, Patriots,Pittsburgh(before this year)).
We have another BINGO.
Great stuff my friend especially the last part.

vikinggreg
11-13-2007, 10:09 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"AngloVike" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"HornedHat" wrote:


So here's what we got ( I may have left some off):

Cowher, Marty, Mooch, Linehan, Mularkey, Dennis, slick willy Lebeau, Martz, Jimmy Johnson, Ditka, Bud Grant, Jim Mora, Gregg Williams, Tom Moore, Garrett, Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis from the Pro ranks.

I would add Al Saunders. I think it may be possible to add Dungy, if he tires of his old gig, but he'd probably want a year off. And ole Chucky in TB might become available.

The college ranks give us Frentz, Meyer, Rutgers dude, Richt and Carroll.

I would add the LSU HC.

I personally don't favor college coaches. I would be very concerned about hiring a spread offense guy like Meyer, because I don't think that offense would translate well. Pete Carroll I would be excited about, but he would need a lot of money, so I doubt it ( but he was our D-Co-ordinator once, wasn't he?).

Cowher? Money, plus he can cherry pick his next job. It'd take a lot a bucks. Marty? Yeah, I think he could be hired, and I wouldn't mind him, especially compared to Chill. Jimmy, Ditka and Bud are likely not going to coach again, and are mostly joke suggestions anyway. I don't care about the rest of the pro suggestions, but maybe Mora. I'd like Dungy, but he won't be available soon enough, I don't think.

So, everything being equal: I'd hope we try very hard for Cowher or Carroll, hope for Dungy, be optimistic about Marty, settle for Mora and would consider LSU guy (too lazy to look his name up, and can't remember this moment: is it Brown?) The rest of em are just guys, as far as I can tell, and don't give me a lot of confidence as prospective Viking HCs. I'd probably take the Denny Green experience over the Chill, but I've already seen that movie.

How about a GM? Do ya think Parcells could do that job better than what we've got? I don't mean HC and GM. Just GM. I think he and Wilf are friendly, so.....maybe.

Very nice post indeed.

I just think that if we had a GM things wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

a.
Fans who don't have a clue about how a front office works would probably be able to differentiate between what/who does what role.
b.
We wouldn't have screwed the pooch on a couple of picks in the 2006 draft.
Don't get me wrong, I liked all the pics but think we took 2 ahead of schedule because we missed out on a couple of others.
c.
A GM would also work with the PR department to make sure public perception is maximized. I really think the Vikings do a very bad job at this.
That above all else is what will hold back the stadium effort.

Again, very nice rundown on the coaches my friend.
;D

I'd agree with Marrdro that it was a very good post. I'd be overjoyed with someone like Cowher but I just can't see him wanting to come to Minny. I don't think money would be the issue as Zygi would put the $$ up but I'd see Cowher wanting to go to a large market team. Having said that it would be an ideal challenge for him and, if he turned the team around, would cement his place in NFL history even more.

I'm not so sure he wouldn't want to come here.

There are only 32 of these jobs avail.
Several, based on the current HC sitting the seat aren't/won't be open for like every.

That leaves very few that would/could draw Mr. Cowher out.


The Vikes are a Storied Organization.
The Vikes have a pretty new owner who wants to win.
The Vikes have a very good core of young players with a very nice mix of Vets.
With that said, the Vikes also are 1 or 2 players away from being a very good team (DE/QB/WR).

What coach wouldn't want to come in, push the Player Personel people to bring those guys in and start winning right away.

I would feel sorry for the Chiller and his staff for doing all the work and having it ripped out from under them just cause a bunch of fans are pissing and short minded.

Heck, as I've said before, I don't see the Chiller going anywere.
I am sure the Wilfs are smart enough to see what I see.

;D


One of the main reasons Cowher stepped aside from the Steelers was to spend more time with his family so it might be a tough sell to get him back in the game unless he is tired of his family now.

ultravikingfan
11-13-2007, 10:27 AM
"vikinggreg" wrote:


One of the main reasons Cowher stepped aside from the Steelers was to spend more time with his family so it might be a tough sell to get him back in the game unless he is tired of his family now.


So true.


Cowher specifically stated that he wanted to be with his family.
His daughter is a basketball player at Princeton and he wants to be there for his children.
Do you blame to the guy?
Nothing is more important to me than being with my kids as they grow up?

What's the incentive for him to come to Minnesota over other teams that may need a coach?
The stadium?
Our piss poor performance?

Like it or not, he is not going to be our coach next year.
Mark my words.

Marrdro
11-13-2007, 10:32 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"vikinggreg" wrote:


One of the main reasons Cowher stepped aside from the Steelers was to spend more time with his family so it might be a tough sell to get him back in the game unless he is tired of his family now.


So true.


Cowher specifically stated that he wanted to be with his family.
His daughter is a basketball player at Princeton and he wants to be there for his children.
Do you blame to the guy?
Nothing is more important to me than being with my kids as they grow up?

What's the incentive for him to come to Minnesota over other teams that may need a coach?
The stadium?
Our piss poor performance?

Like it or not, he is not going to be our coach next year.
Mark my words.

I agree that next year is probably out for those very reasons, however, Cowher types of guys have type A+++++ personalities.

They just can't stay out of it to long.
Very few of them step out and stay out. Its just not in thier nature IMHO.

El Vikingo
11-13-2007, 10:40 AM
I won´t vote,where´s the Marrdro as HC option?
;D

Marrdro
11-13-2007, 10:45 AM
"El" wrote:


I won´t vote,where´s the Marrdro as HC option?
;D

Your cracking me up.
I don't even kid myself to believe I have 1/16 of the knowledge these guys have.

Nor do I have the desire to be away from my family like they do.
Back in the day, however, I did want to be a history teacher and High School Football coach.


Those days are long gone though.
;D

funkyasflea
11-13-2007, 10:58 AM
Hey, throw me in there as an idea for a coach.
At least I know the rules of the NFL enough to know when or when not to throw the damn red flag.

bleedpurple
11-13-2007, 11:00 AM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


Jon Gruden is the best coach in the NFL. If he ever becomes available they should fire whoever is in charge and get him. I would even be will to give up a couple of draft picks for him(it worked for Tampa).

Other wise I might go with Mike Martz. He is not a head coach right now and probably wants another shot.

Cowher is OK but I would rather have shottenheimer.

I think this team needs someone that has won in the past to give them a little confidence and to put the final pieces of the puzzle together.

But seriously, I think Chilly should get a couple more years to fully implement his plans. They said from the beginning that they were taking a long term approach and they are just in the very beginning. I think that Chilly is learning alot and made a lot of mistakes but most first time head coaches do. If you look at who is winning in the NFL it is the teams that are patient with there coacher(Colts, Patriots,Pittsburgh(before this year)).


Soo sorry to rebut, but that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard... Sorry!!!


Gruden the best coach in the NFL??? are you effin serious???
Ever heard of Belicek, Dungy, Cower (former coach but will coach again), Jeff FIscher, Andy Reid, Mike Shannahan, Lovie Smith,
hell, i'd even take Tomlin over Gruden...

Draft picks for Gruden???
C'mon gimme a break!!! the only reason Gruden won was because Dungy built that team.. then after a SB win, they've sucked ever since...

and if you wanna give up draft picks for a coach, then that's even dummer, considering the personnel situation they're in right now!!
you don't give up draft picks for a coach unless his name is Belicek!!

You say you want someone that has won in the past, well, i believe, Cower's teams were way better and more consistent over the years than Schottenheimer... (you really think Marty (een though i like him as a coach and what not, and would want him here) but /is better than Cower..???)
If so, you've lost more than all your marbles...!!!!

And you want to give CHilly a "couple" a "couple" more years??? Chilly is who we thought he was.. I repeat he is who we thought he was!!!
and your' lettin him off the hook!!! if you want to crown his ass, then crown his ass... but your lettin him off the HOOK!!!


and to rebut your post, regarding patience... uh, the colts didnt have to be patient with DUngy.. he's been winning with them from pretty much the get=go... and had a proven track record with Tampa Bay..

The Pats, didn't have to be patient with Belicek, he was with Cleveland when he sucked.. came to NE and won with Parcells squad..

and Pitt might be a legitimate "patience" argument, but Cower had them playing well and in the playoffs damn near every year.. if Chilly had us in the playoff hunt then so-beit.. but he doesn't and we're stinking right now and a sorry excuse for a football team...

Like i've said a MILLION TIMES!!!!
If we see improvement then hey, give the dude another year.. but as of right now, he's got to go.. and is quickly loosing the locker room.... He came in here totally unprepared and i think based on the way we've played and playcalled the past 1.5 years, he's in waaay over his head!!! thus far...

AND MARRDRO!!! what is it that you see????


I see lots and lots of L's..... Lots and lots of L's...

Marrdro
11-13-2007, 11:11 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


Jon Gruden is the best coach in the NFL. If he ever becomes available they should fire whoever is in charge and get him. I would even be will to give up a couple of draft picks for him(it worked for Tampa).

Other wise I might go with Mike Martz. He is not a head coach right now and probably wants another shot.

Cowher is OK but I would rather have shottenheimer.

I think this team needs someone that has won in the past to give them a little confidence and to put the final pieces of the puzzle together.

But seriously, I think Chilly should get a couple more years to fully implement his plans. They said from the beginning that they were taking a long term approach and they are just in the very beginning. I think that Chilly is learning alot and made a lot of mistakes but most first time head coaches do. If you look at who is winning in the NFL it is the teams that are patient with there coacher(Colts, Patriots,Pittsburgh(before this year)).


Soo sorry to rebut, but that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard... Sorry!!!


Gruden the best coach in the NFL??? are you effin serious???
Ever heard of Belicek, Dungy, Cower (former coach but will coach again), Jeff FIscher, Andy Reid, Mike Shannahan, Lovie Smith,
hell, i'd even take Tomlin over Gruden...

Draft picks for Gruden???
C'mon gimme a break!!! the only reason Gruden won was because Dungy built that team.. then after a SB win, they've sucked ever since...

and if you wanna give up draft picks for a coach, then that's even dummer, considering the personnel situation they're in right now!!
you don't give up draft picks for a coach unless his name is Belicek!!

You say you want someone that has won in the past, well, i believe, Cower's teams were way better and more consistent over the years than Schottenheimer... (you really think Marty (een though i like him as a coach and what not, and would want him here) but /is better than Cower..???)
If so, you've lost more than all your marbles...!!!!

And you want to give CHilly a "couple" a "couple" more years??? Chilly is who we thought he was.. I repeat he is who we thought he was!!!
and your' lettin him off the hook!!! if you want to crown his jiggly butt, then crown his jiggly butt... but your lettin him off the HOOK!!!


and to rebut your post, regarding patience... uh, the colts didnt have to be patient with DUngy.. he's been winning with them from pretty much the get=go... and had a proven track record with Tampa Bay..

The Pats, didn't have to be patient with Belicek, he was with Cleveland when he sucked.. came to NE and won with Parcells squad..

and Pitt might be a legitimate "patience" argument, but Cower had them playing well and in the playoffs gol 'darnit near every year.. if Chilly had us in the playoff hunt then so-beit.. but he doesn't and we're stinking right now and a sorry excuse for a football team...

Like i've said a MILLION TIMES!!!!
If we see improvement then hey, give the dude another year.. but as of right now, he's got to go.. and is quickly loosing the locker room.... He came in here totally unprepared and i think based on the way we've played and playcalled the past 1.5 years, he's in waaay over his head!!! thus far...

AND MARRDRO!!! what is it that you see????


I see lots and lots of L's..... Lots and lots of L's...

Sorry, you probably haven't had time to read it the 15 previous times I've posted it.
Here ya go.

Pay close attention to the bolded areas in your post above and in my quote.
;D


Shock, suprise, I agree.
But it also comes down to the players executing what is coached as well.

A poster says, how long did it take EJ to start playing well.......
Answer......
As soon as Leslie got here.
Can Coaching be attributed to that?

Phat Pat, dropping into coverage.
I know, alot of laughs, but if you watch closely, he got to his zone quickly and was in place for someone if they came there.
Lost weight, quicker Phat Pat, something that Favre didn't expect.
By the way, everyone forgets that DT and DE often drop back into those short/low zones in a cover 2.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

Production our of both Robison (rookie) and Keneche (no sacks last year).
Can that be attributed to coaching?

ZB scheme (which normally takes 5 years to install and be effective) seems to be a strong point since week 3.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

Hererra and Cook.
Last stat I saw had only 24 yards less rushing by AD than the left.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

Pre-snap penalties by OL.
I would anticipate seeing this as worse than better this year if for no other reason than the fact that the QB's seem to be on a constant rotation.
Voice inflection, speed at calling play etc alone will cause a OL to false start.
Last stat I saw this was way way way down from last year.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

Special teams.
Again, one of my biggest concerns this year to a point, I started a thread on it.
Now it is one of our strengths.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

I think you can answer yes to coaching on all, however, you can also say that in most cases the players are also executing what is coached.

Long story short, everyone seems to pick on the same issues and rightly so, however, I contend that is because no one can see any of the good, cause they are so blinded by thier hate because of thier focus on wins and losses alone.
This staff along with a group of very talented, but highly inexperienced players are doing good things if one cares to look hard enough.



http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=39180.msg673580#msg673580

SKOL
11-13-2007, 11:42 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


Chilly is who we thought he was.. I repeat he is who we thought he was!!!
and your' lettin him off the hook!!! if you want to crown his jiggly butt, then crown his jiggly butt... but your lettin him off the HOOK!!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/SKOL/Ha-ha.gif

My guess is that Wilf will give the Chiller another year.
He had a 5 year deal, and three years should be more than enough time to implement his system, and see marked improvement.


The irritating part for me is that Childress said when he was hired, he 'inherited the best job with a potential to win immediately'.
grrr..., He inherited a 9-7 team and dropped to 6-10, and our record looks to be no better this year.

We should at least see improvement each year, which we have not.

There were a number of coaching changes made at the same time as us, and they've been successful, (GB and New Orleans)... the difference is they have a legitimate QB.
I think that Childress is a QB away from having a very good team.
In hind-sight he would probably admit that it was a mistake to bank on Tarvaris and Bollinger rather than bringing in a veteran, like Garcia.
I only hope that is one mistake he will not repeat.
My guess is that he'll do everything he can next year to bring in McNabb, and have Tarvaris learn from him rather than taking his lumps learning on-the-job.

It's hard to be patient as fans, but I think we need to just take our lumps this year, hope to improve over the last part of the season, and see what next year brings.

skum
11-13-2007, 11:50 AM
First of all, given Childress a 5 year contract was completely wrong

Mike McCarthy got a three year deal with the Packers, some did Lane Kiffin with the Raiders.

Scott Linehan signed a 4 year deal with the Rams.

Given an unproven coach who didnt call plays with the Eagles was a bad decision but i guess he made them believe that he could win with Brad Johnson for the next couple of years, how?, i dont know but it sure was atleat one year too long.

bleedpurple
11-13-2007, 11:53 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"bleedpurple" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:


Jon Gruden is the best coach in the NFL. If he ever becomes available they should fire whoever is in charge and get him. I would even be will to give up a couple of draft picks for him(it worked for Tampa).

Other wise I might go with Mike Martz. He is not a head coach right now and probably wants another shot.

Cowher is OK but I would rather have shottenheimer.

I think this team needs someone that has won in the past to give them a little confidence and to put the final pieces of the puzzle together.

But seriously, I think Chilly should get a couple more years to fully implement his plans. They said from the beginning that they were taking a long term approach and they are just in the very beginning. I think that Chilly is learning alot and made a lot of mistakes but most first time head coaches do. If you look at who is winning in the NFL it is the teams that are patient with there coacher(Colts, Patriots,Pittsburgh(before this year)).


Soo sorry to rebut, but that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard... Sorry!!!


Gruden the best coach in the NFL??? are you effin serious???
Ever heard of Belicek, Dungy, Cower (former coach but will coach again), Jeff FIscher, Andy Reid, Mike Shannahan, Lovie Smith,
hell, i'd even take Tomlin over Gruden...

Draft picks for Gruden???
C'mon gimme a break!!! the only reason Gruden won was because Dungy built that team.. then after a SB win, they've sucked ever since...

and if you wanna give up draft picks for a coach, then that's even dummer, considering the personnel situation they're in right now!!
you don't give up draft picks for a coach unless his name is Belicek!!

You say you want someone that has won in the past, well, i believe, Cower's teams were way better and more consistent over the years than Schottenheimer... (you really think Marty (een though i like him as a coach and what not, and would want him here) but /is better than Cower..???)
If so, you've lost more than all your marbles...!!!!

And you want to give CHilly a "couple" a "couple" more years??? Chilly is who we thought he was.. I repeat he is who we thought he was!!!
and your' lettin him off the hook!!! if you want to crown his jiggly butt, then crown his jiggly butt... but your lettin him off the HOOK!!!


and to rebut your post, regarding patience... uh, the colts didnt have to be patient with DUngy.. he's been winning with them from pretty much the get=go... and had a proven track record with Tampa Bay..

The Pats, didn't have to be patient with Belicek, he was with Cleveland when he sucked.. came to NE and won with Parcells squad..

and Pitt might be a legitimate "patience" argument, but Cower had them playing well and in the playoffs gol 'darnit near every year.. if Chilly had us in the playoff hunt then so-beit.. but he doesn't and we're stinking right now and a sorry excuse for a football team...

Like i've said a MILLION TIMES!!!!
If we see improvement then hey, give the dude another year.. but as of right now, he's got to go.. and is quickly loosing the locker room.... He came in here totally unprepared and i think based on the way we've played and playcalled the past 1.5 years, he's in waaay over his head!!! thus far...

AND MARRDRO!!! what is it that you see????


I see lots and lots of L's..... Lots and lots of L's...

Sorry, you probably haven't had time to read it the 15 previous times I've posted it.
Here ya go.

Pay close attention to the bolded areas in your post above and in my quote.

;D


Shock, suprise, I agree.
But it also comes down to the players executing what is coached as well.

A poster says, how long did it take EJ to start playing well.......
Answer......
As soon as Leslie got here.
Can Coaching be attributed to that?

Phat Pat, dropping into coverage.
I know, alot of laughs, but if you watch closely, he got to his zone quickly and was in place for someone if they came there.
Lost weight, quicker Phat Pat, something that Favre didn't expect.
By the way, everyone forgets that DT and DE often drop back into those short/low zones in a cover 2.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

Production our of both Robison (rookie) and Keneche (no sacks last year).
Can that be attributed to coaching?

ZB scheme (which normally takes 5 years to install and be effective) seems to be a strong point since week 3.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

Hererra and Cook.
Last stat I saw had only 24 yards less rushing by AD than the left.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

Pre-snap penalties by OL.
I would anticipate seeing this as worse than better this year if for no other reason than the fact that the QB's seem to be on a constant rotation.
Voice inflection, speed at calling play etc alone will cause a OL to false start.
Last stat I saw this was way way way down from last year.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

Special teams.
Again, one of my biggest concerns this year to a point, I started a thread on it.
Now it is one of our strengths.
Can that be attributed to coaching?

I think you can answer yes to coaching on all, however, you can also say that in most cases the players are also executing what is coached.

Long story short, everyone seems to pick on the same issues and rightly so, however, I contend that is because no one can see any of the good, cause they are so blinded by thier hate because of thier focus on wins and losses alone.
This staff along with a group of very talented, but highly inexperienced players are doing good things if one cares to look hard enough.



http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=39180.msg673580#msg673580


WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China...???

It comes down to is wins and losses-bottomline!!! ... but But for arguments sake..!!


looking at the big picture, which is the kind of guy I am...

i'll give you a few points attributed to coaching:
1. penalties are down... that's good.
2. ZB scheme is getting better... whoopdee-doo.!!!
offense still sucks...

Contributed to Bad coaching/your points are off:
1. EJ excelled under Tomlin not Frazier.. that's why he got the BIG contract last year.. remember???

2. I'm sorry but with our lack of pressure on the QB, you honestly think dropping phatpat into coverage is a good idea???
LOL, what a laugher!!


2a. Cover two is supposed to pressure the QB with the from 4.. not rush two or three.. if we can't get pressure on the QB with 4, 5, and 6 guys, whats to say we can with 3?

3. Robison, has been silent lately.. and Udeze had 0 sacks last year.. that's coaching.. even 1 sack would have been an improvement.. how many does he have this year???Good for a whopping tied for 36th in the league..

4. Why was special teams such a big concern???
Same unit from last year.. and they were pretty decent before Chilly got here... and about the same as last year... I don't think you can give Chilly credit for Sp teams unless you credit him with the hire of the Sp teams coach.. that's a stretch to say it's a wash!!

5. Herrera and Cook?? when his original experiment Hicks was a flop, so i say a wash at the most!! and we gave up a draft pick for the bastard...

So you tell me, what's is the good... if you wanna delve further into it...

1. Offense is horrendous... He's most responsible for that... Can't give him too much credit on the defensive side of the ball or the sp teams bc he doesn't know squat about it really.. as evidenced by him letting Tomlin do his own thing last year...


2. Offense is his pet project and it's a debacle...

3. other than penalties, have we really seen any progression or positives out of this group?

4. as a team are we even playing better than last year.. with perhaps the most dynamic back to play football since Erick dickerson???

5.
Our defense is worse than last year.. but for the sake of contradicting myself, i'll put that on Frazier..

Like i said, if we were getting better and playing competent football on offense then perhaps, i'd want to give this guy another year.. but as it stands now, he's GOD awful..

Bottom line.. coaches are evaluated on wins/losses and whether they play hard and fight on every down for their incumbent coach.. i don't see wins.. only losses, and it seems like they're quitting on their coach.. atleast last week they did...

so while you want to blow up the front office, i say blow up the coaching staff, because we should be better than what our record indicates.. and if we loose more games than last year.... what then, do you still keep this guy???

the players have been saying all year.. put guys in a position to make plays.. we haven't done any of that with the exception of a game or two...

Marrdro
11-13-2007, 11:54 AM
"skum" wrote:


First of all, given Childress a 5 year contract was completely wrong

Mike McCarthy got a three year deal with the Packers, some did Lane Kiffin with the Raiders.

Scott Linehan signed a 4 year deal with the Rams.

Given an unproven coach who didnt call plays with the Eagles was a bad decision but i guess he made them believe that he could win with Brad Johnson for the next couple of years, how?, i dont know but it sure was atleat one year too long.

Very nice my friend.

I wonder how much of an impact a GM would have had advising the owner (if Ziggy had one) during the process of hiring a HC might have had on the whole situation.

Normally the GM and not the owner bring the guy in if memory serves for most of the recent hirings.

Exceptions of course are Redskins/Dallas/Raiders etc where thier owners think they are the GM.
Dallas seems to have overcome thier owners deficiancies but the Raiders and Redskins to date, haven't.

singersp
11-14-2007, 05:32 AM
C'mon Marrdro, I know you sleep on Brad Childress bed linen complete with the Brad Childress pillow cases, but if he was let go at the end of the year, who do you think would be a viable candidate for the job & why?

That ought to get your juices going.

singersp
11-14-2007, 06:53 AM
Don't expect a big-name coach to come and rescue Minnesota Vikings (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_7455268)

TOM POWERS
twincities.com

Article Last Updated: 11/13/2007 11:42:56 PM CST


Here's a sneak preview of next week's E-rant question on TwinCities.com: "Where would the free world best be served by a regime change? A) Iran, B) Venezuela, C) Winter Park." ....

VikingMike
11-14-2007, 07:26 AM
"singersp" wrote:


Don't expect a big-name coach to come and rescue Minnesota Vikings (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_7455268)

TOM POWERS
twincities.com

Article Last Updated: 11/13/2007 11:42:56 PM CST


Here's a sneak preview of next week's E-rant question on TwinCities.com: "Where would the free world best be served by a regime change? A) Iran, B) Venezuela, C) Winter Park." ....





Sad, but true...I can't see a big name coach stepping into a mess like this. We're probably looking at a college coach, or an OC or DC hungry for a HC job (and not a name like Gregg Williams). Choose wisely Wilf...but get a good GM first.

skum
11-14-2007, 08:02 AM
Childress out? (http://vikesgeek.blogspot.com)



vikesgeek.blogspot.com

I dont know about this rumour, but im pretty sure that the guy who has it was with "Mr Cheer or die" running the old Vikings Underground blog. If thats true i guess that he could have a legit source.

Lets all hope ;)

PFT Also picked up it

COULD CULPEPPER KILL CAREER OF CHILDRESS?

Wouldn't it be ironic if the first high-profile veteran that Childress sent packing from Minnesota delivers the death blow to Brad's coaching career there?
Though it might be premature to think that owner Zygi Wilf would dump the second-year head coach during the season, a posting on a little-known Vikings blog suggests that Wilf is pondering the possibility.

Zeus
11-14-2007, 08:10 AM
"skum" wrote:


Childress out? (http://vikesgeek.blogspot.com)



vikesgeek.blogspot.com

I dont know about this rumour, but im pretty sure that the guy who has it was with "Mr Cheer or die" running the old Vikings Underground blog. If thats true i guess that he could have a legit source.

Lets all hope ;)

PFT Also picked up it

COULD CULPEPPER KILL CAREER OF CHILDRESS?

Wouldn't it be ironic if the first high-profile veteran that Childress sent packing from Minnesota delivers the death blow to Brad's coaching career there?
Though it might be premature to think that owner Zygi Wilf would dump the second-year head coach during the season, a posting on a little-known Vikings blog suggests that Wilf is pondering the possibility.


Oh great - some idiot posts something that the ballboy told him and those irresponsible fools at PFT are going to make it gospel.
Weee.


=Z=

Marrdro
11-14-2007, 08:17 AM
"singersp" wrote:


C'mon Marrdro, I know you sleep on Brad Childress bed linen complete with the Brad Childress pillow cases, but if he was let go at the end of the year, who do you think would be a viable candidate for the job & why?

That ought to get your juices going.

I support him cause he is the HC and believe we need to have consistency at the HC position if we ever want to get something more out of this team than an occasional 9-7 season and a one and out of the playoffs.
Current candidate that fits that bill is the Chiller.

When/if he is gone then I will really tell you what I think of him.
I think most of you will be mildly suprised to find out that I don't sleep on his sheets.
When the next guy comes in I will support him the same way.

;D

To your question.........

Note: My criteria leaves out collegiate coaches except some that have coached in the NFL (most of them were loosers at that level), old guys like the Tuna, loosers like Fossell etc etc etc.


a.
I wouldn't want someone very old.
He would have to be able to breath long enough to meet the requirement of providing consistency.
(Possibly Cowher)
b. He would have to have been a NFL coach that consistently won at the NFL level. (Cowher)
c. He would have to be a Defense first, Run first kindof coach.
(Cowher)
d. He would have to come in and run the same scheme or one close enough to the one being run now so that we don't have to start over again. (Cowher)
e. He would have to get along with the new GM. Don't know who that is but Coach Cowher probably could deal with anybody.
f.
He would have to be available......... Coach Cowher is available so to speak.
I think that if the right offer was tendered he would be more than happy to come out of retirement, move to MN and take over a team that:

a.
Leads the League in rushing.
b.
Has a pretty stout Defense against the run (needs a DE to fix the Pass issue).
c.
Has a pretty solid OL with alot of potential (needs to tweek RT/LT pass rush issues).
d. Has a pretty gol 'darnit good special teams.
e. Has a team with alot of young talent that has been getting on the field training for the past 2 years.
f. Is one of the more storied franchises in the league.

Hell, why wouldn't he want this job.
The Chiller has come in and done all the hard work for him.
He could have one more year to tweak as necessary, force the front office to bring in a VET QB and a stud DE and maybe a CB and he would be the instant hero.

Again, why wouldn't he want that job, other than the fact that he says he wants to spend more time with his daughters....... ::)

NordicNed
11-14-2007, 08:26 AM
Marr,




We may just be finding out how you really feel, quicker than you may think....I see the door, quickly gaining ground on Chillers a s s.........





And there are alot of blind people who think that the stories flying around now are just rumors.....
Wilf is a buisness man first, and when a team is sinking the coach is usually the first to bite the bullet....Chillers days are numbered, and it woiuldn't suprise me one bit, if he was sent packing before seasons end.....
You can support him all you want, but for me, I'de be glad to even pack his bags for him at this point......

skum
11-14-2007, 08:33 AM
Cowher is going to cost shitloads of money.

He would proberly ask for 7 million a year or something like that ;)

Marrdro
11-14-2007, 09:14 AM
1. EJ excelled under Tomlin not Frazier.. that's why he got the BIG contract last year.. remember???
EJ moved over to MLB this year not last year.
Remember, we let Napo go.
Much nashing and consternation over that if memory serves.
Appears that isn't an issue.


2. I'm sorry but with our lack of pressure on the QB, you honestly think dropping phatpat into coverage is a good idea???
LOL, what a laugher!!


2a. Cover two is supposed to pressure the QB with the from 4.. not rush two or three.. if we can't get pressure on the QB with 4, 5, and 6 guys, whats to say we can with 3?


I never said Phat Pat was the right choice.
Several times I've said it confused me why they would drop him.
Better choices.
What I did say is Phat Pat is playing faster, quicker and doing things that he didn't/wasn't able to before.
In case you didn't know it, a DT often drops back into coverage in the Cover 2.

Do you know what problems a 3-4 causes an OL?
Throw in the fact that a team predominatly plays 4-3 and then during the game switches back and forth between 4-3 and 3-4. Damn, probably the only thing that could have confused Lord Favreeeeee. Think about it.
Took some coaching to get them ready to do that.
Unfortunately, it didn't work.



3. Robison, has been silent lately.. and Udeze had 0 sacks last year.. that's coaching.. even 1 sack would have been an improvement.. how many does he have this year???Good for a whopping tied for 36th in the league..


I suppose you are one of the guys that thinks there isn't a difference between the RDE and LDE.
Udeze played out of position last year. Of course he didn't get any sacks.
DUH.

I can't tell you why Robison isn't getting any sacks since he started out pretty good.
Some possible reasons......
Facing better OL's. Teams have recognized he is a threat and account for him and a double teaming him. Lots of factors that can attribute it.
He is still a rook.
He will be better next year and I look for James to be shitcanned/let go and Rob or Edwards be the permanent starter.
Probably Rob as Edwards isn't getting it done either.
By the way, how many sacks does the Right side have?
Probably because they have a second year guy starting instead of the slated starter.
Again, DUH.


4. Why was special teams such a big concern???
Same unit from last year.. and they were pretty decent before Chilly got here... and about the same as last year... I don't think you can give Chilly credit for Sp teams unless you credit him with the hire of the Sp teams coach.. that's a stretch to say it's a wash!!


Did you see our special teams last year?
Sure they could kick the ball deep (that guy hasn't changed) but they sure the hell couldn't tackle.
If memory servers guys like Blue are now gone or did you miss that?
Bottom line up front, they are not the same guys.
We know have guys that can tackle.


1. Offense is horrendous... He's most responsible for that... Can't give him too much credit on the defensive side of the ball or the sp teams bc he doesn't know squat about it really.. as evidenced by him letting Tomlin do his own thing last year...


2. Offense is his pet project and it's a debacle...


Sure the offense sucks.
What do you expect?
Have you looked at the experience level of the team under the "Build through the Draft" concept.


A raw QB who can't stay healthy trying to run a complicated offense.
WR's who can get open or drop the ball when the QB does put it in their hands and two Tackles that can't pass block.


McKinnie has no excuse, he should be doing better, but Cook gets a buy.
He's a damn C shifting to tackle.
Has he had some gaffs, sure but he is playing better of late, since Herrerra has replaced Hicks (I'll give you him).


3. other than penalties, have we really seen any progression or positives out of this group?

4. as a team are we even playing better than last year.. with perhaps the most dynamic back to play football since Erick dickerson???

5.
Our defense is worse than last year.. but for the sake of contradicting myself, i'll put that on Frazier..



Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.
;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing





1rst


16th
TD's








16th

26th
Def Total Yds


4th


25th
Def Scoring



18th

19th
Sacks







16th

25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd


4th
KO Yds






8th



29th


Like i said, if we were getting better and playing competent football on offense then perhaps, i'd want to give this guy another year.. but as it stands now, he's GOD awful..


Funny thing about stats are they can be skewed to make just about any arguement, however, in most cases they can be a very revealing thing.
;D



Bottom line.. coaches are evaluated on wins/losses and whether they play hard and fight on every down for their incumbent coach.. i don't see wins.. only losses, and it seems like they're quitting on their coach.. atleast last week they did...


Were/what leads you to think they are giving up. We have played some pretty good teams and have been in every game with the exception of the PUKERS game last week.

I didn't see anybody quiting.
I saw a bunch of young kids and Vets as well, getting thier ass handed to them by a much better team or are you one of the guys that think the Packers still suck this year and they are only winning cause the refs or someone has given them some breaks?

I don't see anyone fighting with anyone on the sideline (with one exception) or coaches hanging players out to dry or players hanging coaches out to dry.

To say they are quiting or giving up is just a shame based on how hard they have really played. Again, look at the stats, you would think that they would show a team giving up instead of getting better each week.


so while you want to blow up the front office, i say blow up the coaching staff, because we should be better than what our record indicates.. and if we loose more games than last year.... what then, do you still keep this guy???

Were have you ever seen me say I want to blow up the front office.
I like our front office, I just want a GM brought in to run things and make sure we aren't going off on tangents based on one leg or the other of the Triad, and that includes the Head Coach my friend.

Some of the problems we have are because of the front office which (elieve it or not) includes the HC.
We have a few issues that need to be straightened out and a GM would do that.

He would ensure we get a QB in that can run the team.
(Offense gets better).
He would ensure that we get a DE and maybe a CB in during the offseason (Defense gets better).
He would ensure that we don't make bonehead mistakes like firing players before Christmas or fining a guy who goofed up and didn't report in during a leave of absence/death.
(Public Perception gets better).

Seriously, I joke and Kid about the Chiller but he is just as much to blame as the rest of the front office for the issues we have.
But when you really think about it, other than wins and losses (which most NFL fans only care about) are things really that bad?

The owner said we were gonna rebuild through the draft.
That means we are gonna get beat until those kids get the experience.


Like it or not, that is what we as fans have to deal with.
Do you really think he is listening to us?
I don't.
I think he is gonna do what he wants regardless of what we think.

For that reason I tend to look for the good and don't dwell on the bad.
It serves no purpose other than to piss me off.


I have no choice, my doc and wife tell me I have to keep the stress down a bit.

::) :o ;D

NordicNed
11-14-2007, 09:17 AM
Marr,





Take is easy bud, your going to give yourself a stroke.....Go have a few cold Beast's..... ;D

C Mac D
11-14-2007, 09:23 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.
;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing





1rst


16th
TD's








16th

26th
Def Total Yds


4th


25th
Def Scoring



18th

19th
Sacks







16th

25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd


4th
KO Yds






8th



29th



This is silly Marr... you should know that. It's just because we got AP that our offense has gone up. He has over half of our total offensive yards for the year... which indicates an amazing player... and poor gameplanning.

Sacks are up because our DE's our actually healthy this year, something that can't be attributed to coaching.

That's really about it, except for KO yards, which are just flat out good this year... again, AP.

We have a couple new/returning players this year which are making some stats better, sure. But the team is still suffering under the Childress regime.

The real stat you should have posted was our record at this point last year... which was worse than it is now. Come on Marr... give it up.

jmcdon00
11-14-2007, 09:31 AM
hmmm

MaxVike
11-14-2007, 09:49 AM
"skum" wrote:


Cowher is going to cost shitloads of money.

He would proberly ask for 7 million a year or something like that ;)


Minor investment in the grand scheme of things.
The big picture getting a new stadium...winning, a star RB, Top notch coach, getting back to the playoffs consistently...the only shot at a new stadium.

Marrdro
11-14-2007, 09:52 AM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.

;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing






1rst



16th
TD's









16th


26th
Def Total Yds



4th


25th
Def Scoring




18th


19th
Sacks








16th


25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd



4th
KO Yds






8th



29th



This is silly Marr... you should know that. It's just because we got AP that our offense has gone up. He has over half of our total offensive yards for the year... which indicates an amazing player... and poor gameplanning.

Sacks are up because our DE's our actually healthy this year, something that can't be attributed to coaching.

That's really about it, except for KO yards, which are just flat out good this year... again, AP.

We have a couple new/returning players this year which are making some stats better, sure. But the team is still suffering under the Childress regime.

The real stat you should have posted was our record at this point last year... which was worse than it is now. Come on Marr... give it up.

Can't face the facts huh?
;D

Did you see my Dream Team vs Collegiate Basketball hypothesis?
Pretty good huh.
;D

ultravikingfan
11-14-2007, 09:53 AM
"MaxVike" wrote:


"skum" wrote:


Cowher is going to cost shitloads of money.

He would proberly ask for 7 million a year or something like that ;)


Minor investment in the grand scheme of things.
The big picture getting a new stadium...winning, a star RB, Top notch coach, getting back to the playoffs consistently...the only shot at a new stadium.


All is see is a star RB.
No new stadium and Cowher is not going to come to MN.
He wants to spend time with his family.

Why would he even want this job?

tb04512
11-14-2007, 10:09 AM
Deion Sanders!!!!
;D

bleedpurple
11-14-2007, 10:12 AM
1. EJ excelled under Tomlin not Frazier.. that's why he got the BIG contract last year.. remember???

EJ moved over to MLB this year not last year.
Remember, we let Napo go.
Much nashing and consternation over that if memory serves.
Appears that isn't an issue.

What does that have to do with anything.. you said EJ came on under Frazier.. well regardless of position, EJ became a beast under Tomlin... We're not discussing position..


2. I'm sorry but with our lack of pressure on the QB, you honestly think dropping phatpat into coverage is a good idea???
LOL, what a laugher!!


2a. Cover two is supposed to pressure the QB with the from 4.. not rush two or three.. if we can't get pressure on the QB with 4, 5, and 6 guys, whats to say we can with 3?



I never said Phat Pat was the right choice.
Several times I've said it confused me why they would drop him.
Better choices.
What I did say is Phat Pat is playing faster, quicker and doing things that he didn't/wasn't able to before.
In case you didn't know it, a DT often drops back into coverage in the Cover 2.

Do you know what problems a 3-4 causes an OL?
Throw in the fact that a team predominatly plays 4-3 and then during the game switches back and forth between 4-3 and 3-4. gol 'darnit, probably the only thing that could have confused Lord Favreeeeee. Think about it.
Took some coaching to get them ready to do that.
Unfortunately, it didn't work.


I can tell you've never played football before.. because I'm not sure what cover 2 scheme your talking about..
but the only way a DT drops into coverage is when a LB blitz's and if the DT's are running a stunt.. but you don't make sense... regardless whether he's nimble or not.. he shouldnt be dropping into coverage...

I wont even comment on the 3-4 paragraph... it didn't work so where's your point?


3. Robison, has been silent lately.. and Udeze had 0 sacks last year.. that's coaching.. even 1 sack would have been an improvement.. how many does he have this year???Good for a whopping tied for 36th in the league..



I suppose you are one of the guys that thinks there isn't a difference between the RDE and LDE.
Udeze played out of position last year. Of course he didn't get any sacks.
DUH.

I can't tell you why Robison isn't getting any sacks since he started out pretty good.
Some possible reasons......
Facing better OL's. Teams have recognized he is a threat and account for him and a double teaming him. Lots of factors that can attribute it.
He is still a rook.
He will be better next year and I look for James to be shitcanned/let go and Rob or Edwards be the permanent starter.
Probably Rob as Edwards isn't getting it done either.

By the way, how many sacks does the Right side have?
Probably because they have a second year guy starting instead of the slated starter.
Again, DUH.

I know there's a difference, but 0 sacks from any position on the d-line when you play every down is inexcusable.. and what is this about James being cut???
He's probably our best DE.. he's just been hurt, they're not gonna cut a first
round pick two years into his career.. Virtual GM!!!

have a second yr guy starting instead of the slated starter who's been hurt is the reason for thelack of production?? but yet, you look for him to be "shitcanned"???
again.. whats your point!!
matter fact you just supported my point of we should have brought in a DE... silly rabbit!!! tricks are for kids...




4. Why was special teams such a big concern???
Same unit from last year.. and they were pretty decent before Chilly got here... and about the same as last year... I don't think you can give Chilly credit for Sp teams unless you credit him with the hire of the Sp teams coach.. that's a stretch to say it's a wash!!



Did you see our special teams last year?
Sure they could kick the ball deep (that guy hasn't changed) but they sure the hell couldn't tackle.
If memory servers guys like Blue are now gone or did you miss that?
Bottom line up front, they are not the same guys.
We know have guys that can tackle.

i know blue is gone.. but my comment was based on special teams being a concern... trust me we have more things to worry about than sp. teams.. it wasn't a big problem last year.. and this year they are better but not a major concern over the offseason...


1. Offense is horrendous... He's most responsible for that... Can't give him too much credit on the defensive side of the ball or the sp teams bc he doesn't know squat about it really.. as evidenced by him letting Tomlin do his own thing last year...


2. Offense is his pet project and it's a debacle...



Sure the offense sucks.
What do you expect?
Have you looked at the experience level of the team under the "Build through the Draft" concept.


A raw QB who can't stay healthy trying to run a complicated offense.
WR's who can get open or drop the ball when the QB does put it in their hands and two Tackles that can't pass block.


McKinnie has no excuse, he should be doing better, but Cook gets a buy.
He's a gol 'darnit C shifting to tackle.
Has he had some gaffs, sure but he is playing better of late, since Herrerra has replaced Hicks (I'll give you him).

I know we're inexperienced.. but your making excuses for Childress... they aren't executing or playing well... If they were atleast calling plays that would atleast look like they had some imagination or would swithch it up then that's one thing.. but we're so predictable it's ridiculous.. Chilly is employing the "you know we're gonna run, so try and stop it" gameplan.. unfortunatley we're not good enough to do that.. so if everyone knows your gonna run.. call a different play, run/pass out of different formations.. i don't see us attacking the weak spots on the defense like we should.. or even trying to remotely resemble some sort of competent offense.. it's his pet project..

support the dude all
you want.. but he's GOD awful and needs to be fired regardless of your support.. and if your not gonna fire him, atleast hire a competent offensive coordinator who has experience calling plays and has some sort of imagination..


3. other than penalties, have we really seen any progression or positives out of this group?

4. as a team are we even playing better than last year.. with perhaps the most dynamic back to play football since Erick dickerson???

5.
Our defense is worse than last year.. but for the sake of contradicting myself, i'll put that on Frazier..




Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.

;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing






1rst



16th
TD's









16th


26th
Def Total Yds



4th


25th
Def Scoring




18th


19th
Sacks








16th


25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd



4th
KO Yds






8th



29th



I'm not so sure your stats are completely accurate as i know in total Def yds we're actually 29th in the league.. i think you were looking at them backwards.. so go check that one again buddy...



Like i said, if we were getting better and playing competent football on offense then perhaps, i'd want to give this guy another year.. but as it stands now, he's GOD awful..



Funny thing about stats are they can be skewed to make just about any arguement, however, in most cases they can be a very revealing thing.

;D

funny thing about stats is that they can be interpreted better if you can read them properly...!!!



Bottom line.. coaches are evaluated on wins/losses and whether they play hard and fight on every down for their incumbent coach.. i don't see wins.. only losses, and it seems like they're quitting on their coach.. atleast last week they did...



Were/what leads you to think they are giving up. We have played some pretty good teams and have been in every game with the exception of the PUKERS game last week.

I didn't see anybody quiting.
I saw a bunch of young kids and Vets as well, getting thier jiggly butt handed to them by a much better team or are you one of the guys that think the Packers still suck this year and they are only winning cause the refs or someone has given them some breaks?

I don't see anyone fighting with anyone on the sideline (with one exception) or coaches hanging players out to dry or players hanging coaches out to dry.

To say they are quiting or giving up is just a shame based on how hard they have really played. Again, look at the stats, you would think that they would show a team giving up instead of getting better each week.

I think last weeks effort had a lot to do about how the players feel about chilly after that Twill fiasco.. but that's just my opinion... funny thing what happens when you don't trust your HC... or better yet, he consults Tony Dungy to determine whether he should give the man his paycheck back..


so while you want to blow up the front office, i say blow up the coaching staff, because we should be better than what our record indicates.. and if we loose more games than last year.... what then, do you still keep this guy???


Were have you ever seen me say I want to blow up the front office.
I like our front office, I just want a GM brought in to run things and make sure we aren't going off on tangents based on one leg or the other of the Triad, and that includes the Head Coach my friend.

Some of the problems we have are because of the front office which (elieve it or not) includes the HC.
We have a few issues that need to be straightened out and a GM would do that.

He would ensure we get a QB in that can run the team.
(Offense gets better).
He would ensure that we get a DE and maybe a CB in during the offseason (Defense gets better).
He would ensure that we don't make bonehead mistakes like firing players before Christmas or fining a guy who goofed up and didn't report in during a leave of absence/death.
(Public Perception gets better).

Seriously, I joke and Kid about the Chiller but he is just as much to blame as the rest of the front office for the issues we have.
But when you really think about it, other than wins and losses (which most NFL fans only care about) are things really that bad?

The owner said we were gonna rebuild through the draft.
That means we are gonna get beat until those kids get the experience.


Like it or not, that is what we as fans have to deal with.
Do you really think he is listening to us?
I don't.
I think he is gonna do what he wants regardless of what we think.

For that reason I tend to look for the good and don't dwell on the bad.
It serves no purpose other than to piss me off.


I have no choice, my doc and wife tell me I have to keep the stress down a bit.

::) :o ;D

I feel you on the stress problems, so if supporting chilly is gonna help you live longer, than so beit.. hell, i'll support chilly if it's gonna help a fellow Viking fan live longer.. But don't try and tell me that dude deserves another shot or is doing a good job, when the average fan can see that he's GOD AWFUL... Post on another topic then..

One would think that supporting him would give you even more additional stress.. knowing your sticking up for a guy that week in and week out makes one sound even sillier as the season goes on...

jmcdon00
11-14-2007, 10:31 AM
snap :o

Marrdro
11-14-2007, 10:55 AM
What does that have to do with anything.. you said EJ came on under Frazier.. well regardless of position, EJ became a beast under Tomlin... We're not discussing position..

But we are talking about coaching and improvements.


EJ has excelled at the MLB position that he failed at before.
What do you attribute that to.


I can tell you've never played football before.. because I'm not sure what cover 2 scheme your talking about..
but the only way a DT drops into coverage is when a LB blitz's and if the DT's are running a stunt.. but you don't make sense... regardless whether he's nimble or not.. he shouldnt be dropping into coverage...

High School ball 3 years.
How about you?

Read what I typed.
I never said I agree'd with Phat Pat dropping, I said it is a part of the cover 2 scheme just as you described.
Thanks for re-making my point for me.

Re-read my post my friend. You are arguing apples and grapefruit.
;D


I know there's a difference, but 0 sacks from any position on the d-line when you play every down is inexcusable.. and what is this about James being cut???
He's probably our best DE.. he's just been hurt, they're not gonna cut a first
round pick two years into his career.. Virtual GM!!!

have a second yr guy starting instead of the slated starter who's been hurt is the reason for thelack of production?? but yet, you look for him to be "shitcanned"???
again.. whats your point!!
matter fact you just supported my point of we should have brought in a DE... silly rabbit!!! tricks are for kids...
Virtual GM/Silly Rabbit
;D.
Now you are getting close to name calling.
Sign I am wearing you down.
;D

Relax, no need for stuff like that.
Just good football discussion.
Anyways.......

He probably is our best DE I won't argue that, however, he hasn't done squat for 2 years and he has been playing for the last 2 or 3 games.
What has that got us?
I think nothing.
He isn't producing.
Nothing against him, I wish he would come around, however, I bet he doesn't.
To bad cause he had alot of potential.

Time will tell on this, however, we have guys playing right now that aren't hurt all the time.
Add a stud DE to them next year in FA and we will fix that problem.
(At least thats what the Virtual GM would do
;D)


i know blue is gone.. but my comment was based on special teams being a concern... trust me we have more things to worry about than sp. teams.. it wasn't a big problem last year.. and this year they are better but not a major concern over the offseason...


Did you look at the stats?
We sucked at tackling on SP.
This year it is better.
Been some snaffu's but it is getting better.

I agree, we don't have to worry about special teams.
The coaches have worked on that stuff.


I know we're inexperienced.. but your making excuses for Childress... they aren't executing or playing well... If they were atleast calling plays that would atleast look like they had some imagination or would swithch it up then that's one thing.. but we're so predictable it's ridiculous.. Chilly is employing the "you know we're gonna run, so try and stop it" gameplan.. unfortunatley we're not good enough to do that.. so if everyone knows your gonna run.. call a different play, run/pass out of different formations.. i don't see us attacking the weak spots on the defense like we should.. or even trying to remotely resemble some sort of competent offense.. it's his pet project..


Re-read my point with out your eyes being clouded by the thought process that you are trying to prove I have some man love for the Chiller my friend.

I was defending the young players not the HC.

Sure I defend him, just like I defend the players and anyone else that is on this team.
I am a fan.
Thick and thin my friend. Thick and thin.

Seriously though, how creative can you get with a QB with TJ's experience?
Throw in the fact that the OL was/is struggling a bit with giving him time to throw.
What would you change in the way of play calling?
Seems to me they have been pretty creative with plays that add a wrinkle or two and it isn't just as vanilla as you contend.

Did you notice the one passing play the had in early in the game were they had two WR split out (one on each side) with a TE standing next to them.
Very interesting play call. Unfortunately the reciever dropped the ball.

Wait, I suppose that is what you call predictable.


support the dude all
you want.. but he's GOD awful and needs to be fired regardless of your support.. and if your not gonna fire him, atleast hire a competent offensive coordinator who has experience calling plays and has some sort of imagination..


Does he have faults, can we do better, would someone else do better, yes, yes, probably, but damn what are we gonna do about it.
Continually say he sucks, fire him? What good is that.

I wish I could hire and fire. I think you would be suprised what I would do.
Again, when/if he leaves I will then tell you what I really think of him.
Until then, it does no good to run around and say Fire Childress in every thread.
Nothing interesting comes from that.
How about looking at what really is happening and discuss reality vice a perception.

Quit reading my posts like you think I have some love for the man.
I only support the position.

With that said...........


Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.

;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing






1rst



16th
TD's









16th


26th
Def Total Yds



4th


25th
Def Scoring




18th


19th
Sacks








16th


25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd



4th
KO Yds






8th



29th




I'm not so sure your stats are completely accurate as i know in total Def yds we're actually 29th in the league.. i think you were looking at them backwards.. so go check that one again buddy.

Hey Buddy
;D.
Re-read my post.
I didn't include total yards
Re-look at the stats I provided.
Why the hell would I put one in that actually reflected us going down.
That would be silly, you silly rabbit. I only put in ones that had significant changes or helped make my point.

Total Yards


29th
25th

But seriously, is 4 spots that big of a difference?



I think last weeks effort had a lot to do about how the players feel about chilly after that Twill fiasco.. but that's just my opinion... funny thing what happens when you don't trust your HC... or better yet, he consults Tony Dungy to determine whether he should give the man his paycheck back..

Two things.
1) I still don't see why everyone is hoping (and that is all you guys are doing) that he looses this team.
Things will just get worse.
Unless of course your hate for him is that bad were you actually want him to fail, the team to fail etc so that he does get fired.

Comeon man.
Look at the stats.
Other than the Win/loss record things aren't worse.
Infact they are better than last year and a heck of a lot better than 2005.

Oh, wait, we only judge by wins and losses, especially when we have been told that we are gonna rebuild through the draft and develop young players.

Seriously, what kindof win loss record do you expect to have with the experience we have on this team?


I feel you on the stress problems, so if supporting chilly is gonna help you live longer, than so beit.. hell, i'll support chilly if it's gonna help a fellow Viking fan live longer.. But don't try and tell me that dude deserves another shot or is doing a good job, when the average fan can see that he's GOD AWFUL... Post on another topic then..

One would think that supporting him would give you even more additional stress.. knowing your sticking up for a guy that week in and week out makes one sound even sillier as the season goes on...

Thanks for you concern my friend, however, supporting this team doesn't give me stress my friend.
Entertainment never causes stress.

By the way, you now trying to tell me what topics I can and can't post in just cause I might disagree with somebody.
Damn, I wouldn't be able to post in many threads as all of them are "Fire Childress" threads.

Hey, I have an idea, why don't you start a thread that is something other than a Fire Childress thread or something that talks about OL strategies, or WR play, or QB play?
Help me out here.
Seems you think I don't know anything other than Childress love.
;D

PurplePeopleEaters
11-14-2007, 11:05 AM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.
;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing





1rst


16th
TD's








16th

26th
Def Total Yds


4th


25th
Def Scoring



18th

19th
Sacks







16th

25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd


4th
KO Yds






8th



29th



This is silly Marr... you should know that. It's just because we got AP that our offense has gone up. He has over half of our total offensive yards for the year... which indicates an amazing player... and poor gameplanning.

Sacks are up because our DE's our actually healthy this year, something that can't be attributed to coaching.

That's really about it, except for KO yards, which are just flat out good this year... again, AP.

We have a couple new/returning players this year which are making some stats better, sure. But the team is still suffering under the Childress regime.

The real stat you should have posted was our record at this point last year... which was worse than it is now. Come on Marr... give it up.


OK now that is extremely annoying Mar. I respect your posts and all but to pick and choose which stats look best to you is total garbage

Currently we are

Offense-
1st in Rushing
31st in Passing
16th total offense
20th Scoring offense

Defense-
3rd Rushing
32nd Passing
29th Total
18th Scoring defense
T16th in sacks
T19th Interceptions

ST-
7th KR yards
4th Punting

Where did you get that we are 4th in total D in 2007?

Last year we were

8th Total defense
T31st Pass Defense
1st Rush Defense
14th Scoring Defense

offensive-
18th Passing
16th Rushing
23rd Total
26th Scoring

ST-
4th Punting
17th KR yards

Overall our defense has become significantly worse since last year and you chose to leave that extremely important stat out. Along with that, our offensive numbers can clearly be attributed to the addition of Adrian Peterson and nothing more. Look for that #1 rushing offense rank to dwindle in the coming weeks. The only marked improvements I see are in Rushing yards and KR Yards.

NordicNed
11-14-2007, 11:12 AM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.

;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing






1rst



16th
TD's









16th


26th
Def Total Yds



4th


25th
Def Scoring




18th


19th
Sacks








16th


25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd



4th
KO Yds






8th



29th



This is silly Marr... you should know that. It's just because we got AP that our offense has gone up. He has over half of our total offensive yards for the year... which indicates an amazing player... and poor gameplanning.

Sacks are up because our DE's our actually healthy this year, something that can't be attributed to coaching.

That's really about it, except for KO yards, which are just flat out good this year... again, AP.

We have a couple new/returning players this year which are making some stats better, sure. But the team is still suffering under the Childress regime.

The real stat you should have posted was our record at this point last year... which was worse than it is now. Come on Marr... give it up.


OK now that is extremely annoying Mar. I respect your posts and all but to pick and choose which stats look best to you is total garbage

Currently we are

Offense-
1st in Rushing
31st in Passing
16th total offense
20th Scoring offense

Defense-
3rd Rushing
32nd Passing
29th Total
18th Scoring defense
T16th in sacks
T19th Interceptions

ST-
7th KR yards
4th Punting

Where did you get that we are 4th in total D in 2007?

Last year we were

8th Total defense
T31st Pass Defense
1st Rush Defense
14th Scoring Defense

offensive-
18th Passing
16th Rushing
23rd Total
26th Scoring

ST-
4th Punting
17th KR yards

Overall our defense has become significantly worse since last year and you chose to leave that extremely important stat out. Along with that, our offensive numbers can clearly be attributed to the addition of Adrian Peterson and nothing more. Look for that #1 rushing offense rank to dwindle in the coming weeks. The only marked improvements I see are in Rushing yards and KR Yards.


















I new it was all to good to be true....LMAO
;D

Marrdro
11-14-2007, 11:13 AM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.

;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing






1rst



16th
TD's









16th


26th
Def Total Yds



4th


25th
Def Scoring




18th


19th
Sacks








16th


25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd



4th
KO Yds






8th



29th



This is silly Marr... you should know that. It's just because we got AP that our offense has gone up. He has over half of our total offensive yards for the year... which indicates an amazing player... and poor gameplanning.

Sacks are up because our DE's our actually healthy this year, something that can't be attributed to coaching.

That's really about it, except for KO yards, which are just flat out good this year... again, AP.

We have a couple new/returning players this year which are making some stats better, sure. But the team is still suffering under the Childress regime.

The real stat you should have posted was our record at this point last year... which was worse than it is now. Come on Marr... give it up.


OK now that is extremely annoying Mar. I respect your posts and all but to pick and choose which stats look best to you is total garbage

Currently we are

Offense-
1st in Rushing
31st in Passing
16th total offense
20th Scoring offense

Defense-
3rd Rushing
32nd Passing
29th Total
18th Scoring defense
T16th in sacks
T19th Interceptions

ST-
7th KR yards
4th Punting

Where did you get that we are 4th in total D in 2007?
Last year we were

8th Total defense
T31st Pass Defense
1st Rush Defense
14th Scoring Defense

offensive-
18th Passing
16th Rushing
23rd Total
26th Scoring

ST-
4th Punting
17th KR yards

Overall our defense has become significantly worse since last year and you chose to leave that extremely important stat out. Along with that, our offensive numbers can clearly be attributed to the addition of Adrian Peterson and nothing more. Look for that #1 rushing offense rank to dwindle in the coming weeks. The only marked improvements I see are in Rushing yards and KR Yards.

I wasn't trying to skew the numbers my friend. I was corrected on that.
I had the column in decending vice ascending order.
My bad.
Heck I make mistakes sometimes my friend.
;D

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=TOTAL_YARDS&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find

Additionally, I was asked to show were we have improved, why would I give stats that didn't support improvement.

If someone wants to see where we have declined, then ask.
I will give that as well.
;D

Secondly, Are you telling me if we bring in a QB that improves our offense then his stats should be discounted?

Comeon my friend, you can't discount positives just because one player is making a difference.

vikes2456
11-14-2007, 11:14 AM
...Bud Grant? lol

Purple D
11-14-2007, 11:46 AM
If Chilly is gone,
my vote is for MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER (probably spelled that wrong), or I wouldn't mind seeing our DC
getting the job.
He may be alot like Dungy.

PurplePeopleEaters
11-14-2007, 12:01 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Didn't pull up every stat but a few that might be indicators between last year and this year.
Go look at them from 2005 if you really want an eye opener.
;D












2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing





1rst


16th
TD's








16th

26th
Def Total Yds


4th


25th
Def Scoring



18th

19th
Sacks







16th

25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd


4th
KO Yds






8th



29th



This is silly Marr... you should know that. It's just because we got AP that our offense has gone up. He has over half of our total offensive yards for the year... which indicates an amazing player... and poor gameplanning.

Sacks are up because our DE's our actually healthy this year, something that can't be attributed to coaching.

That's really about it, except for KO yards, which are just flat out good this year... again, AP.

We have a couple new/returning players this year which are making some stats better, sure. But the team is still suffering under the Childress regime.

The real stat you should have posted was our record at this point last year... which was worse than it is now. Come on Marr... give it up.


OK now that is extremely annoying Mar. I respect your posts and all but to pick and choose which stats look best to you is total garbage

Currently we are

Offense-
1st in Rushing
31st in Passing
16th total offense
20th Scoring offense

Defense-
3rd Rushing
32nd Passing
29th Total
18th Scoring defense
T16th in sacks
T19th Interceptions

ST-
7th KR yards
4th Punting

Where did you get that we are 4th in total D in 2007?
Last year we were

8th Total defense
T31st Pass Defense
1st Rush Defense
14th Scoring Defense

offensive-
18th Passing
16th Rushing
23rd Total
26th Scoring

ST-
4th Punting
17th KR yards

Overall our defense has become significantly worse since last year and you chose to leave that extremely important stat out. Along with that, our offensive numbers can clearly be attributed to the addition of Adrian Peterson and nothing more. Look for that #1 rushing offense rank to dwindle in the coming weeks. The only marked improvements I see are in Rushing yards and KR Yards.

I wasn't trying to skew the numbers my friend. I was corrected on that.
I had the column in decending vice ascending order.
My bad.
Heck I make mistakes sometimes my friend.
;D

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=TOTAL_YARDS&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Find

Additionally, I was asked to show were we have improved, why would I give stats that didn't support improvement.

If someone wants to see where we have declined, then ask.
I will give that as well.
;D

Secondly, Are you telling me if we bring in a QB that improves our offense then his stats should be discounted?

Comeon my friend, you can't discount positives just because one player is making a difference.



I'm not discounting Peterson's stats. I am simply showing how he's bailing out this crappy coaching staff . Getting markedly worse in many key areas in the game from one year to the next is inexcusable. The truth is that we only became significantly better in Rushing offense which can clearly be attributed to the addition of Peterson. Good job by Spielman and Childress for bringing Peterson in but they haven't done Diddly squat with the rest of the team. Do you think the coaching staff coached our players into the #1 rushing offense or that Peterson came in and improved the team as a whole? That's up to you to decide but in my opinion it has to do mostly with Peterson.

Schutz
11-14-2007, 12:14 PM
What are you talking about?!?!?!
Purple Jesus was just a Bum before Childress got his molding hands on him.

C Mac D
11-14-2007, 12:24 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


What are you talking about?!?!?!
Purple Jesus was just a Bum before Childress got his molding hands on him.


Haha, great sense of humor.

I mean, clearly it was in Chilly's game plan to have AP rush for over 200 yards in two of our wins... including breaking the NFL single game rushing record... pretty sure he said that in the press releases leading up to the game.

I mean, if it wasn't for Chilly, we'd probably be 0-9 right now. We should all be bowing to Chiller and thanking him for molding AP into the star he has become... ALL HAIL CHILLY!!!!

seaniemck7
11-14-2007, 12:27 PM
Just bring in Parcell's as a GM or Schottenheimer as the coach.
Problem solved.

tb04512
11-14-2007, 12:28 PM
"seaniemck7" wrote:


Just bring in Parcell's as a GM or Schottenheimer as the coach.
Problem solved.


shotty wants to be a GM.... bring in DEION SANDERS!!!!!

Marrdro
11-14-2007, 12:33 PM
I'm not discounting Peterson's stats. I am simply showing how he's bailing out this crappy coaching staff . Getting markedly worse in many key areas in the game from one year to the next is inexcusable. The truth is that we only became significantly better in Rushing offense which can clearly be attributed to the addition of Peterson. Good job by Spielman and Childress for bringing Peterson in but they haven't done Diddly squat with the rest of the team. Do you think the coaching staff coached our players into the #1 rushing offense or that Peterson came in and improved the team as a whole? That's up to you to decide but in my opinion it has to do mostly with Peterson.


At least in the areas you chose to highlight.

What about these....... (I deleted the one I had wrong
;D)
Seems to be a significant improvement in a few areas.

Did you look at the 2005 stats?














2007

2006
Off Total Yds


16th


23rd
Rushing





1rst


16th
TD's








16th

26th
Def Scoring



18th

19th
Sacks







16th

25th
Punting(net yds) 2nd


4th
KO Yds






8th



29th

seaniemck7
11-14-2007, 12:37 PM
"tb04512" wrote:


"seaniemck7" wrote:


Just bring in Parcell's as a GM or Schottenheimer as the coach.
Problem solved.


shotty wants to be a GM.... bring in DEION SANDERS!!!!!


And if he is our coach, he would be part of the TOA; therefore satiated.

Schutz
11-14-2007, 12:48 PM
Points Per Game
Yards Per Game

3rd Down%

Pen Yards

TOP
2004 25.3






396.2








52.3






884




30.46
2005 19.1






288.3








32.7






1013



28.46
2006 17.6






308.9








33








903




31.51



2007 18.4






324.9








30.5






467




28.14

Records
2004 8-8
2005 9-7
2006 6-10
2007 3-6

What happened after 2004, hmmm what was it.
OH YEAH, we got rid of our main playmaker in Randy Moss, and Dante got injured.
And Tice got a 9-7 Record out of it.
At least Chilly dog is holding down the fort for the next Head Coach.

C Mac D
11-14-2007, 01:01 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


Points Per Game
Yards Per Game

3rd Down%

Pen Yards

TOP
2004 25.3






396.2








52.3






884




30.46
2005 19.1






288.3








32.7






1013



28.46
2006 17.6






308.9








33








903




31.51



2007 18.4






324.9








30.5






467




28.14

Records
2004 8-8
2005 9-7
2006 6-10
2007 3-6

What happened after 2004, hmmm what was it.
OH YEAH, we got rid of our main playmaker in Randy Moss, and Dante got injured.
And Tice got a 9-7 Record out of it.
At least Chilly dog is holding down the fort for the next Head Coach.




Tice was a Coach... albeit a player's coach. His game plans actually led to wins (at least when Culpepper wasn't throwing a pick every other down). He had the respect and admiration of his players (I'll cite when Green got fired, many players said they wanted out unless Tice was named head coach). He was open with the fans and had a personality... a very good one actually.

For some reason, being 6-10 under Mike Tice was painful... but not nearly as painful as 6-10 (possibly 4-12 this season) under Chilly. His arrogance is sickening, especially when coupled with how lost he looks on the sidelines... not to mention his HORRENDOUS challenges. Unless Peterson has a stellar game or we play Harrington's Falcons (I know ultra... but I thought it deserved mentioning again) Chilly will lose the game.

Good coaches win with what they have. Case closed.

PurplePeopleEaters
11-14-2007, 01:53 PM
2007













2006
1st in Rushing





16th Rushing
31st in Passing




18th Passing
16th total offense



23rd Total
20th Scoring offense

26th Scoring offense
3rd Rushing Defense

1st Rush Defense
32nd Passing Defense
T31st pass Defense
29th Total Defense


8th Total defense
18th Scoring defense
14th Scoring Defense
T16th in sacks





25th Sacks
T19th Interceptions

5th Interceptions
7th KR yards





17th KR yards
4th Punting






4th Punting


There they are, side by side so that no one can mess with them and only include what they want for the benefit of their argument. What we wanted coming into this season was improvement in the offense and defense overall and improvements in, more importantly, the passing game and the pass defense since we already knew our Run D and Run O were stellar. We've improved in getting to the QB- that's a plus. I was surprised that we were 5th in INT's last year.. that number has gone way down. Our total defense has dropped from 8th to 29th. That is from top 10 in the league to bottom 5 in the league.. Some of that has to be attributed to Frazier and Childress, no excuses there. We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.

I'm not going to convince Marrdro of anything, we all know that. I'm just posting these side by side so that other people can get an idea of where our stats are comparatively and decide for themselves.

Marrdro
11-14-2007, 02:06 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



2007














2006
1st in Rushing





16th Rushing
31st in Passing





18th Passing
16th total offense



23rd Total
20th Scoring offense

26th Scoring offense
3rd Rushing Defense

1st Rush Defense
32nd Passing Defense
T31st pass Defense
29th Total Defense


8th Total defense
18th Scoring defense

14th Scoring Defense
T16th in sacks





25th Sacks
T19th Interceptions


5th Interceptions
7th KR yards






17th KR yards
4th Punting







4th Punting


There they are, side by side so that no one can mess with them and only include what they want for the benefit of their argument. What we wanted coming into this season was improvement in the offense and defense overall and improvements in, more importantly, the passing game and the pass defense since we already knew our Run D and Run O were stellar. We've improved in getting to the QB- that's a plus. I was surprised that we were 5th in INT's last year.. that number has gone way down. Our total defense has dropped from 8th to 29th. That is from top 10 in the league to bottom 5 in the league.. Some of that has to be attributed to Frazier and Childress, no excuses there. We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.

I'm not going to convince Marrdro of anything, we all know that. I'm just posting these side by side so that other people can get an idea of where our stats are comparatively and decide for themselves.

No need to convince me my friend.
I know we have went down in areas.
Go back to the original question posed to me......

Where have we improved.
I gave some.
Nothing more, nothing less.
;D

Suick
11-14-2007, 02:21 PM
The only reason there is offensive improvements is due to AP skewing the numbers with un-human like performances. Coaching not a factor IMHO.

The defense sucks on a regular basis and has for a while.


PLEASE $hit-can the Tampa 2!

Frostbite
11-14-2007, 02:40 PM
Hmmm...I was just wondering about why some(ANY) of the mentioned big name coaches would want the Minnesota job....even if becomes available after this season (Which I Doubt it Will).

People are bringing up a lot of tallented names like Cower/Shottenheimer etc but do we have anything that would attract these guys here? Besides money...I think the next factor for most of them is tallent currently on the team. On Offense how many weapons do we have besides A.P.? Defensively.....do we have enough tallet for these type of Coaches to think we can make a serious run at a Championship??

People/fans....including myself often get down on Childress and other Coaches since they came here but I look around at actual position tallent and wonder about that too...especially after a showing like we had in GB. Some can try to say that is all coaching....scheem...game plans etc....but I'm not so sure. When you don't have some of the keys...it is hard to open all of the doors.

We need more Oarsman for the Vikings Ship. We are short of Top Shelf tallent currently. We have some good/great players but we also are seriously lacking at several positions on the field.

We tend to let to many good postion players get away to other teams too. Some of the guys we have had recently that have moved on to other teams are really playing well now. I'd love to have Nate B back at receiver as one example.

What about the QB position itself? Any Top coaches coming to the Vikings with this issue in play as it is currently?


Cheers!

vikinggreg
11-14-2007, 03:37 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


"skum" wrote:


Cowher is going to cost shitloads of money.

He would proberly ask for 7 million a year or something like that ;)


Minor investment in the grand scheme of things.
The big picture getting a new stadium...winning, a star RB, Top notch coach, getting back to the playoffs consistently...the only shot at a new stadium.


All is see is a star RB.
No new stadium and Cowher is not going to come to MN.
He wants to spend time with his family.

Why would he even want this job?



I think the only way he will consider coming to the Vikes is a truck full of money, full control and talk to him as his wife and daughters are going through PMS......... then he might think about the job ;)

ultravikingfan
11-14-2007, 04:38 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



2007














2006
1st in Rushing





16th Rushing
31st in Passing





18th Passing
16th total offense



23rd Total
20th Scoring offense

26th Scoring offense
3rd Rushing Defense

1st Rush Defense
32nd Passing Defense
T31st pass Defense
29th Total Defense


8th Total defense
18th Scoring defense

14th Scoring Defense
T16th in sacks





25th Sacks
T19th Interceptions


5th Interceptions
7th KR yards






17th KR yards
4th Punting







4th Punting


There they are, side by side so that no one can mess with them and only include what they want for the benefit of their argument. What we wanted coming into this season was improvement in the offense and defense overall and improvements in, more importantly, the passing game and the pass defense since we already knew our Run D and Run O were stellar. We've improved in getting to the QB- that's a plus. I was surprised that we were 5th in INT's last year.. that number has gone way down. Our total defense has dropped from 8th to 29th. That is from top 10 in the league to bottom 5 in the league.. Some of that has to be attributed to Frazier and Childress, no excuses there. We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.

I'm not going to convince Marrdro of anything, we all know that. I'm just posting these side by side so that other people can get an idea of where our stats are comparatively and decide for themselves.

No need to convince me my friend.
I know we have went down in areas.
Go back to the original question posed to me......

Where have we improved.
I gave some.
Nothing more, nothing less.

;D


LMFAO!
I have been waiting to burn you with one of your own quotes!
I am throwing this quote at every thread you post centered around stats!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"Marrdro" wrote:


I love it when stats are the focal point of a thread/point.
Great stuff from both of you.

;D


http://www.purplepride.org/forums/index.php?topic=39298.msg666601#msg666601

Purple Floyd
11-14-2007, 04:41 PM
I am really liking the idea of Cowher. Just think, he can turn TJ into Slash 2.0 and then after a few years when that fails he can go out and get the next O'Donnell. Boy will we as fans love that situation. Maybe he will even kiss TJ on the cheek in all of his excitement.

Sarcasm off.


Cowher did well because of the patience of his boss and some luck in the draft in his last few years. Granted, he did have good teams during his tenure and I really,really like his coaching style and felt even before he won a SB that I would like him as a coach, but in reality the situation he would be coming into here with the upper management structure the way it is,I don't think he would be able to bring us any more success in the short term and I am not convinced the fans are patient enough to potentially wait 11 or so years for that SB championship team to come together.

stjmnsota
11-14-2007, 05:54 PM
Marty or MUCH I would take now.
The rest I am not sure.
And I think any coach would like to come to the Vikes.
They have a solid defense that only needs a little work.
I think good coaching making minor adjustments would do wonders there. And really, add a GOOD QB and the offense is on track. The line has gotten much better and while the receivers are young, you can see the talent and potential.
And the backfield speaks for itself.


Think about it.
Get a notch up on the defense, add a QB and you have nowhere to go but up. That along with ownership and head office that isn't going to take crap from any player now and WHY WOULDN"T MN be a great place to come to?

VikingMike
11-14-2007, 07:53 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


I am really liking the idea of Cowher. Just think, he can turn TJ into Slash 2.0 and then after a few years when that fails he can go out and get the next O'Donnell. Boy will we as fans love that situation. Maybe he will even kiss TJ on the cheek in all of his excitement.

Sarcasm off.


Cowher did well because of the patience of his boss and some luck in the draft in his last few years. Granted, he did have good teams during his tenure and I really,really like his coaching style and felt even before he won a SB that I would like him as a coach, but in reality the situation he would be coming into here with the upper management structure the way it is,I don't think he would be able to bring us any more success in the short term and I am not convinced the fans are patient enough to potentially wait 11 or so years for that SB championship team to come together.


Good points...I like Cowher best of all the ex-coaches out there...but I can't see him ever coming to the Vikes. He can cherry pick his next job...why would he want to rebuild a team here with all the turmoil? I love his emotion...it's infectious. He would kick some butt.
:)

PurplePeopleEaters
11-14-2007, 07:55 PM
Just to throw in another guy

My packer fan friend said that he hopes to hell we don't steal DC Bob Sanders from them.. Don't know much about him.. anyone got any info on this guy? Apparently he's been in the league for a while.

Purple Floyd
11-14-2007, 08:14 PM
It doesn't matter to me whether a coach is an offensive or a defensive genius. what matters is whether they can pick good coordinators and position coaches. And after that they need to trust them enough to let them do their job. The title IMO should really be manager like it is in baseball rather than coach as the coaching should be done at the position coach level.

mblack76
11-14-2007, 09:39 PM
I think we need a REAL OC next year and let Childress be the head coach. I like the direction he is taking the team and I think a real OC is all we need.

Zeus
11-14-2007, 09:42 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"MaxVike" wrote:


"skum" wrote:


Cowher is going to cost shitloads of money.

He would proberly ask for 7 million a year or something like that ;)


Minor investment in the grand scheme of things.
The big picture getting a new stadium...winning, a star RB, Top notch coach, getting back to the playoffs consistently...the only shot at a new stadium.


All is see is a star RB.
No new stadium and Cowher is not going to come to MN.
He wants to spend time with his family.

Why would he even want this job?



He loves to ice fish and eat lutefisk.

=Z=

Zeus
11-14-2007, 09:45 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.


You expected more from a (basically) rookie starting QB?

=Z=

PurpleHornsOfDestruction
11-14-2007, 10:32 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.


You expected more from a (basically) rookie starting QB?

=Z=


First off yes. When Childress said he's our guy and our starter this year I expected him to look decent. When we didn't go after anyone in the off season. Especially when our run improved so drastically that now we are the best in the NFL and no body is giving any respect to the pass what-so-ever. He should look good. He has the best environment to look good and he doesn't at all. Second stop calling him (basically) a rookie. He may play like a rookie, suck like a rookie, and put up numbers like a rookie but he's not. It's his second year. Get over it. He spent the training camp with the 1st team. He's older then most third years.

vikingivan
11-14-2007, 10:44 PM
"mblack76" wrote:


I think we need a REAL OC next year and let Childress be the head coach. I like the direction he is taking the team and I think a real OC is all we need.


You like the direction the team is going.
I bet alot of passengers liked the cruise on "the Titanic" before it sunk too.

VikingsMB
11-14-2007, 10:48 PM
"vikingivan" wrote:


"mblack76" wrote:
[quote]
I think we need a REAL OC next year and let Childress be the head coach. I like the direction he is taking the team and I think a real OC is all we need.


I can't believe he wrote that for all to see?
Get thee behind me Packer Demon!!!!!!

singersp
11-15-2007, 05:40 AM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.



Not when you consider we are 1st in rushing. Obviously, when you have the rushing type games we are having, it's going to pull the pass rating down.

Granted are passing is lackluster, that's why we are 31st, but even with a higher percentage of completions, with the WCO (dink & dunk) being what it is, coupled by our run game, you can't expect to be in the top 10 in passing yards.

If we had a great passing game & we were in the top 10, then our run game would be much lower in the ratings & people would be whining once again that we aren't handing off to AD enough.

How do you expect to have it both ways?

vikinggreg
11-15-2007, 09:18 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.



Not when you consider we are 1st in rushing. Obviously, when you have the rushing type games we are having, it's going to pull the pass rating down.

Granted are passing is lackluster, that's why we are 31st, but even with a higher percentage of completions, with the WCO (dink & dunk) being what it is, coupled by our run game, you can't expect to be in the top 10 in passing yards.

If we had a great passing game & we were in the top 10, then our run game would be much lower in the ratings & people would be whining once again that we aren't handing off to AD enough.

How do you expect to have it both ways?



31st in percentage @ 51.6%, tied for last with 5 TD's, 31st in Yards per game....thank goodness for the 9ers.
Dink and dunk football should have a higher completion rate.

It would be nice to be 20-24 but we are lucky, with all the different QB's starting the Vikes have had only 7 picks. Tied for 6th in the league for fewest INT's, last year was 25th and 2005 Vikes were 17th.

C Mac D
11-15-2007, 09:23 AM
"vikinggreg" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.



Not when you consider we are 1st in rushing. Obviously, when you have the rushing type games we are having, it's going to pull the pass rating down.

Granted are passing is lackluster, that's why we are 31st, but even with a higher percentage of completions, with the WCO (dink & dunk) being what it is, coupled by our run game, you can't expect to be in the top 10 in passing yards.

If we had a great passing game & we were in the top 10, then our run game would be much lower in the ratings & people would be whining once again that we aren't handing off to AD enough.

How do you expect to have it both ways?



31st in percentage @ 51.6%, tied for last with 5 TD's, 31st in Yards per game....thank goodness for the 9ers.
Dink and dunk football should have a higher completion rate.

It would be nice to be 20-24 but we are lucky, with all the different QB's starting the Vikes have had only 7 picks. Tied for 6th in the league for fewest INT's, last year was 25th and 2005 Vikes were 17th.


Didn't you guys know? That's what Childress meant by "Kickass Offense"... come on guys!!!!



FIRE CHILDRESS

Mr Anderson
11-15-2007, 09:29 AM
Biggest stat against him?

We've lost 15 of our last 19 games.

Vikadelic
11-15-2007, 03:17 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


Just to throw in another guy

My packer fan friend said that he hopes to hell we don't steal DC Bob Sanders from them.. Don't know much about him.. anyone got any info on this guy? Apparently he's been in the league for a while.


I live near Madison and their local sports guys are all talking about how they hope no one notices how good that Sanders is as a DC.
Just to think that he might be headed for a HC job drives the fan base nuts.
Let alone if he were going to coach the Vikings.

NordicNed
11-15-2007, 03:25 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.



Not when you consider we are 1st in rushing. Obviously, when you have the rushing type games we are having, it's going to pull the pass rating down.

Granted are passing is lackluster, that's why we are 31st, but even with a higher percentage of completions, with the WCO (dink & dunk) being what it is, coupled by our run game, you can't expect to be in the top 10 in passing yards.

If we had a great passing game & we were in the top 10, then our run game would be much lower in the ratings & people would be whining once again that we aren't handing off to AD enough.

How do you expect to have it both ways?




That is so wrong Singer......Come on, your better than that.....Only reason our rushing game is so high in the rankings is because of AD;s long runs.......










If we even completed or got about 30% or our receptions that have been drops or bad passes, or no yards after the catch,
into the catagory of receptions and decent yards after catch....Our passing game would be fine also.....

singersp
11-15-2007, 07:55 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.



Not when you consider we are 1st in rushing. Obviously, when you have the rushing type games we are having, it's going to pull the pass rating down.

Granted are passing is lackluster, that's why we are 31st, but even with a higher percentage of completions, with the WCO (dink & dunk) being what it is, coupled by our run game, you can't expect to be in the top 10 in passing yards.

If we had a great passing game & we were in the top 10, then our run game would be much lower in the ratings & people would be whining once again that we aren't handing off to AD enough.

How do you expect to have it both ways?







That is so wrong Singer......Come on, your better than that.....Only reason our rushing game is so high in the rankings is because of AD;s long runs.......











If we even completed or got about 30% or our receptions that have been drops or bad passes, or no yards after the catch,
into the catagory of receptions and decent yards after catch....Our passing game would be fine also.....













Yes are passing game would be fine, but like I stated I don't believe it would not be in the top 10 & at the same time retain our number 1 spot in the rushing yards. There are a lot of top teams out there who rely on the pass & have put up big yards.

Between our run game, dink & dunk passing game & the amount of time we had the ball we wouldn't be putting up nearly the passing yards that a lot of other teams are putting up in big chunks.

If we were passing more, we would be running less & that could have impacted & even taken away from some of AD's big runs.

Purple Floyd
11-16-2007, 06:52 PM
I wonder if Bob Schnelker and Foge Fazio are still available ???

PurplePeopleEaters
11-16-2007, 06:58 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.



Not when you consider we are 1st in rushing. Obviously, when you have the rushing type games we are having, it's going to pull the pass rating down.

Granted are passing is lackluster, that's why we are 31st, but even with a higher percentage of completions, with the WCO (dink & dunk) being what it is, coupled by our run game, you can't expect to be in the top 10 in passing yards.

If we had a great passing game & we were in the top 10, then our run game would be much lower in the ratings & people would be whining once again that we aren't handing off to AD enough.

How do you expect to have it both ways?






That is so wrong Singer......Come on, your better than that.....Only reason our rushing game is so high in the rankings is because of AD;s long runs.......










If we even completed or got about 30% or our receptions that have been drops or bad passes, or no yards after the catch,
into the catagory of receptions and decent yards after catch....Our passing game would be fine also.....












Yes are passing game would be fine, but like I stated I don't believe it would not be in the top 10 & at the same time retain our number 1 spot in the rushing yards. There are a lot of top teams out there who rely on the pass & have put up big yards.

Between our run game, dink & dunk passing game & the amount of time we had the ball we wouldn't be putting up nearly the passing yards that a lot of other teams are putting up in big chunks.

If we were passing more, we would be running less & that could have impacted & even taken away from some of AD's big runs.


Do you really believe that we would be any better than the bottom ten in the league if we were a so called "passing team"? There's no way... It would be 3-and-out every possession.

vikesfargo
11-16-2007, 07:21 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


Just to throw in another guy

My packer fan friend said that he hopes to hell we don't steal DC Bob Sanders from them.. Don't know much about him.. anyone got any info on this guy? Apparently he's been in the league for a while.


Bob Sanders, Green Bay Packers Defensive Coordinator (http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/sanders_bob/) -- not the Colts safety of the same name.

Very interesting.... Maybe with Linehan as OC?

GreenBaySlackers
11-16-2007, 08:07 PM
"vikesfargo" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


Just to throw in another guy

My packer fan friend said that he hopes to hell we don't steal DC Bob Sanders from them.. Don't know much about him.. anyone got any info on this guy? Apparently he's been in the league for a while.


Bob Sanders, Green Bay Packers Defensive Coordinator (http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/sanders_bob/) -- not the Colts safety of the same name.

Very interesting.... Maybe with Linehan as OC?



I'll take both please ;D

MaxVike
11-17-2007, 08:35 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:



We went from 18th in passing with Noodle arm to 31st in passing. That's pretty pathetic.



Not when you consider we are 1st in rushing. Obviously, when you have the rushing type games we are having, it's going to pull the pass rating down.

Granted are passing is lackluster, that's why we are 31st, but even with a higher percentage of completions, with the WCO (dink & dunk) being what it is, coupled by our run game, you can't expect to be in the top 10 in passing yards.

If we had a great passing game & we were in the top 10, then our run game would be much lower in the ratings & people would be whining once again that we aren't handing off to AD enough.

How do you expect to have it both ways?







That is so wrong Singer......Come on, your better than that.....Only reason our rushing game is so high in the rankings is because of AD;s long runs.......











If we even completed or got about 30% or our receptions that have been drops or bad passes, or no yards after the catch,
into the catagory of receptions and decent yards after catch....Our passing game would be fine also.....













Yes are passing game would be fine, but like I stated I don't believe it would not be in the top 10 & at the same time retain our number 1 spot in the rushing yards. There are a lot of top teams out there who rely on the pass & have put up big yards.

Between our run game, dink & dunk passing game & the amount of time we had the ball we wouldn't be putting up nearly the passing yards that a lot of other teams are putting up in big chunks.

If we were passing more, we would be running less & that could have impacted & even taken away from some of AD's big runs.


All truths.
Regardless of rankings, this team simply cannot score points.
The KAO has had its AK, except for games where AD sets records or saves it with a 60 yd TD reception.
Face it, we would probably only have 1 win without him.
Also, the very thing we try to do, keep the ball away from the opponent, is impossible for this team because we cannot convert 3rd downs.
The coach is accountable, as is the front office.


I maintain, I'm not sure if Chilly would be able to execute his KAO with a decent QB, which, we DON'T have
:-\.
Further, if his success is tied to the TJack experiment (meaning - extreme influence exerted on that fateful Draft Day), he should be removed.

If Zygi wants a stadium, and he does, it will never happen with the path this Team is on.
At the end of the day, the NFL is BIG business.
Popularity polls, ferver about removing a coach from fans is largely transparent if there are butts in seats on Sunday and Team merchandise is being sold.
Both are largely equated to winning, however, the Vikes are shockingly selling out
:o because we love our team.
Also, thanks to AD, merchandise is moving.
That said, the more bucks come from Corporate America and the hosting of a Super Bowl, which are not attainable without a new stadium.
It looks like Zygi missed on his first hire, my guess is that he has a much better understanding of the importance to him of winning.

If this team goes anything less than .500 the rest of the way, he's gonna have a very tough time selling out the Dome next year with Childress as the coach.
Unless, it is obvious to the fans that the QB we bring in can guide this team to wins.
With or without Childress, they must GET A QB that can play and win now (2008).

If the team goes < .500, I believe Zygi will make a move, just a gut feel.
So, if he does, given the aforementioned, he must give the key to Minneapolis and a mansion in St. Paul to the likes of Cowher.
The next coach must be media friendly, and a face his franchise...his sales job is much
bigger than we imagine, he is selling the good people of the state of Minnesota (my Mom included) a product that needs a new stadium so he can make more money, frankly, so THEY can also make more money.
Childress is not getting that done for him.

COJOMAY
11-17-2007, 10:44 AM
If ya want a coach who can do a selling job, get Tim Brewster (Gopher's coach) but he won't win any games either. I'd rather have a coach who can coach rather than just be a rah-rah mouthpiece and be good with the media. I don't care if he's lousy with the media, if he's a winner the media will take care of itself.
In fact, a lot of good coaches despise the media and tell them off at press-conferences.

MaxVike
11-17-2007, 12:22 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


If ya want a coach who can do a selling job, get Tim Brewster (Gopher's coach) but he won't win any games either. I'd rather have a coach who can coach rather than just be a rah-rah mouthpiece and be good with the media. I don't care if he's lousy with the media, if he's a winner the media will take care of itself.
In fact, a lot of good coaches despise the media and tell them off at press-conferences.


Cojo - that's only part of my point.
Of course, you are correct too.
I want the complete package, someone like Cowher...
The main premise of my point is that winning sells the product.
If you ain't winning, you need tradition to fall back on (got that) and a hell of a leader that can sell the product (ain't got that).
Obviously, I'll take your coach if he wins...this losing sucks.


The more I think about this, the more pissed off I get.
I've been making excuses and looking for the good in defeat for too long.
I'm done looking for silver linings (like, 'TWill caught two passes, that's better than last year-he's getting better,' yippee
::)).
My expectations prior to this year were completely reliant on QB play, mediocre QB play, we had a chance for 7 to 9 wins.
Our QB play is the worst in the NFL...hands down, this, when we brought in an "offensive guru" and his KAO.
We need to stop defending the position we are in...there is no light at the end of the QB tunnel.
All three of our QB's suck, and, as I said, if Childress is a big part of the decision making...he's gotta go.
Or, a losing record the second half of the season...good-bye.
Clean house - everything.
Besides, AD is one helluva powerful recruiting lure.
Bottom line - we deserve a better product.

patriothater
11-17-2007, 12:39 PM
I would love to have Dennis Green back the only coach we have had in the last 10 years that has produced anything!!

The Dropper
11-17-2007, 01:10 PM
"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:


"vikesfargo" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:
[quote]
Just to throw in another guy

My packer fan friend said that he hopes to hell we don't steal DC Bob Sanders from them.. Don't know much about him.. anyone got any info on this guy? Apparently he's been in the league for a while.


Bob Sanders, Green Bay Packers Defensive Coordinator (http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/sanders_bob/) -- not the Colts safety of the same name.

Very interesting.... Maybe with Linehan as OC?


Well, he certainly has a helluvalot better fashion sense than the Chiller; I'll give him that.
:D

http://i.packers.com/s.gif

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/hat.jpg

Garland Greene
11-17-2007, 01:14 PM
Yeah Chilly can make a gallon of Milk jealous.