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Frostbite
11-08-2007, 01:20 AM
Just currious with the Cap restrictions and the way players seem to have no loyalties anymore....except to the almighty dollar....how many seasons can we expect to keep Adrian Peterson in Minnesota. With our recent past history of losing tallent (One way or another) I am hoping this time will be different and we can lock A.P up for several years.

Any Thoughts??

Cheers!

thevikingfan
11-08-2007, 01:34 AM
The rest of his carrier,If he finishes strong this year and repeats next year with no major injuries he will be resigned and if wilf doesnt resign him then he is an idiot.This guy can single handedly sell out the dome

hx38596
11-08-2007, 01:36 AM
I'll say this, (and ESPN PTI commented on it) that he will hold out next year for renegotiating his contract.
Look at how many RB's get paid more than him.
With the way RB's get treated at that second contract time (after that 3-5 year pull), no doubt he will hold out next year.
His agent would be stupid not to... He wasn't really all that happy with the original one.
After that, i bet he'll stay purple for awhile.

5 year 17 million.
40.5 IF he jumps through a bunch of hoops.
Everyone here agrees he deserves more, especially with room in the cap.
I say he should hold out...
but it will be tough going negotiating with Z-man.

SKOL
11-08-2007, 01:50 AM
"hx38596" wrote:


I'll say this, (and ESPN PTI commented on it) that he will hold out next year for renegotiating his contract.
Look at how many RB's get paid more than him.
With the way RB's get treated at that second contract time (after that 3-5 year pull), no doubt he will hold out next year.
His agent would be stupid not to... He wasn't really all that happy with the original one.
After that, i bet he'll stay purple for awhile.

5 year 17 million.
40.5 IF he jumps through a bunch of hoops.
Everyone here agrees he deserves more, especially with room in the cap.
I say he should hold out...
but it will be tough going negotiating with Z-man.


I believe he's already jumped through some of the very attainable hoops to trigger rather significant bonus clauses.
For instance, by rushing for more than 701 yards he received a bonus of $2.5 million.

hx38596
11-08-2007, 01:53 AM
"SKOL" wrote:


"hx38596" wrote:


I'll say this, (and ESPN PTI commented on it) that he will hold out next year for renegotiating his contract.
Look at how many RB's get paid more than him.
With the way RB's get treated at that second contract time (after that 3-5 year pull), no doubt he will hold out next year.
His agent would be stupid not to... He wasn't really all that happy with the original one.
After that, i bet he'll stay purple for awhile.

5 year 17 million.
40.5 IF he jumps through a bunch of hoops.
Everyone here agrees he deserves more, especially with room in the cap.
I say he should hold out...
but it will be tough going negotiating with Z-man.


I believe he's already jumped through some of the very attainable hoops to trigger rather significant bonus clauses.
For instance, by rushing for more than 701 yards he received a bonus of $2.5 million.


That 2.5 is tacked on to his LAST year... 2012.
That's the point when he might earn as much as 12 or so.
The vikings will then renegotiate an extention to help out with cap room.
He deserved a better deal, and i bet he holds out.

jdvike
11-08-2007, 01:59 AM
"hx38596" wrote:


"SKOL" wrote:


"hx38596" wrote:


I'll say this, (and ESPN PTI commented on it) that he will hold out next year for renegotiating his contract.
Look at how many RB's get paid more than him.
With the way RB's get treated at that second contract time (after that 3-5 year pull), no doubt he will hold out next year.
His agent would be stupid not to... He wasn't really all that happy with the original one.
After that, i bet he'll stay purple for awhile.

5 year 17 million.
40.5 IF he jumps through a bunch of hoops.
Everyone here agrees he deserves more, especially with room in the cap.
I say he should hold out...
but it will be tough going negotiating with Z-man.


I believe he's already jumped through some of the very attainable hoops to trigger rather significant bonus clauses.
For instance, by rushing for more than 701 yards he received a bonus of $2.5 million.


That 2.5 is tacked on to his LAST year... 2012.
That's the point when he might earn as much as 12 or so.
The vikings will then renegotiate an extention to help out with cap room.
He deserved a better deal, and i bet he holds out.

Do you even know his actual contract numbers, or are you just spouting B.S. like you always do?
I don't think there are that many RB's getting paid more than A.D.

soonerbornNbred
11-08-2007, 02:17 AM
10 to 1 says because of all the "hes injury prone BS" he didnt get the deal he shouldve,He should get paid whatever the market will allow, I hope hes making a lil change on thoseTshirts even.... He has said hes not fond of coldweather...so maybe enuff for a offseason abode in the bahamas

DustinDupont
11-08-2007, 02:20 AM
i say we give him a life contract!

Overlord
11-08-2007, 02:36 AM
Okay, here's a summary of his contract from Rotoworld.com (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4169):


7/28/2007: Signed a six-year, $40.5 million contract. The deal includes $17 million in guarantees. Also available is an annual NFL MVP (or NFL ROY in 2007) incentive of $250,000 and a $1 million annual escalator for scoring 20 rushing TDs. He can add $2.5 million to his 2010 salary if he rushes for more than 1,000 yards in two of his first three seasons. Should Peterson rush for 2,000 yards or 20 touchdowns, he adds $1 million each time he does it to the 2011 base salary. 2007: $285,000 (+ $1.225 million roster bonus), 2008: $1.925 million, 2009: $2.310 million, 2010: $2.695 million, 2011: $3.94 million, 2012: Voidable Year, 2013: Free Agent

I think a summary based on his current performance might be - about $30 million over 5 years plus $1 million each time he rushes for more than 2,000 yards or 20 TDs.

I expect Wilf will be happy to pay those bonuses if and when they come due.

But here's my question for everyone saying he should hold out next year - have you ever heard of a second year player doing this?
The TO situation in Philly is the only thing that I can think of that comes close.
I think that guys usually play out at least 4 years of a rookie contract.

So I expect that AD will live out his current contract with the Vikes.
If he's still healthy and productive, we'll resign him for another 5-7 years at about $20-25 million/year with about 40% of that guaranteed.

hx38596
11-08-2007, 02:42 AM
"soonerbornNbred" wrote:


10 to 1 says because of all the "hes injury prone BS" he didnt get the deal he shouldve,He should get paid whatever the market will allow, I hope hes making a lil change on thoseTshirts even.... He has said hes not fond of coldweather...so maybe enuff for a offseason abode in the bahamas


Thank You sooner, that's my point.
He felt he got slighted in the draft and leveraged into a not-so-hot deal.
If there's anything Wilf is excellent at, it's negotiating deals.
He's a prime A business man who is very shrewd and knows how to make money.
How much do you think the Vikings' value (his investment) will increase with a new state-of-the-art stadium?


My predictiion... AD will reluctantly hold out (at his agent's wishes) until a new deal is struck.
Possibly at the end of 08.
I think he's happy in Minnesota.
You guys have just got to sell out there though... there's NO EXCUSE for that.
$50 bucks for LL seats???
WTF?
If Minn. was close enough for a pickup to drive there on 2 tanks of gas, i bet a bunch of okies would help with attendance as was seen with all the 28 jerseys in the Dallas game.

midgensa
11-08-2007, 02:50 AM
His current contract is a VERY fair one for a No. 7 pick in the draft ... and I do not think we will see a holdout before next season. I would expect a little bit of restructuring in the future, but due to all the "hoops" that he is clearly on base to attain regularly ... he will make a lot of money. I think if there is a holdout it is likely shaping up to be after his second season.
Bottom line ... he is one of the special ones. Moss would have been a lifetime Vike if he had half the attitude of All Day. So would C-Pep ... they didn't. We let them go for reasons other than money and talent. Those reasons do not exist here. He will be a Vike for the rest of his career.

soonerbornNbred
11-08-2007, 03:24 AM
I agree with you on his attitude, but Im pretty sure he was pissed about being the 7th pick, he understood why but that doesnt mean he liked it...He has always thought, he was top dog when it comes to being on a football field...and when the NFL was second guessing him, I think it took him back a bit...I really think he came in wanting to show the world what everyone else missed


One thing I know is He's not used to losing and he doesnt like it at all

If he tries to get a better contract I wouldnt blame him...and you know how agents are

They say R Bush is getting 51.5 mil and 26.5 up front...is adrian as good as bush?

singersp
11-08-2007, 06:24 AM
"jdvike" wrote:


"hx38596" wrote:


"SKOL" wrote:


"hx38596" wrote:



I'll say this, (and ESPN PTI commented on it) that he will hold out next year for renegotiating his contract.
Look at how many RB's get paid more than him.
With the way RB's get treated at that second contract time (after that 3-5 year pull), no doubt he will hold out next year.
His agent would be stupid not to... He wasn't really all that happy with the original one.
After that, i bet he'll stay purple for awhile.

5 year 17 million.
40.5 IF he jumps through a bunch of hoops.
Everyone here agrees he deserves more, especially with room in the cap.
I say he should hold out...
but it will be tough going negotiating with Z-man.



I believe he's already jumped through some of the very attainable hoops to trigger rather significant bonus clauses.
For instance, by rushing for more than 701 yards he received a bonus of $2.5 million.



That 2.5 is tacked on to his LAST year... 2012.
That's the point when he might earn as much as 12 or so.
The vikings will then renegotiate an extention to help out with cap room.
He deserved a better deal, and i bet he holds out.



Do you even know his actual contract numbers, or are you just spouting B.S. like you always do?
I don't think there are that many RB's getting paid more than A.D.



Halfway through his rookie season, Vikings running back Adrian Peterson is piling up the yards and the cash.

Peterson, who already has guaranteed himself a one-time, $2.45 million bonus by surpassing 701 yards rushing, is halfway to another sizable incentive. He can add $2.5 million to his $2.695 million base salary for 2010 by topping 1,000 yards in two of his first three seasons.

If he tops 1,300 yards once, he adds $1 million to his fifth-year salary, scheduled to be $3.94 million. If he tops 1,300 yards twice, $3 million would be added to his fifth-year salary.

Reaching 2,000 yards or scoring 20 touchdowns in a single season would add $1 million for each instance to his 2011 base salary. Interestingly, if Peterson remains at this torrid pace, his 2011 pay could top $8 million, a threshold that could compel the Vikings to negotiate an extension.

He also could earn $250,000 bonuses for rookie of the year, league most valuable player and Super Bowl MVP.

Peterson would have to win every accolade, rush for 2,000 yards and score 20 touchdowns to earn $40.5 million over the next five seasons. More realistically, Peterson, who was guaranteed $17 million, could earn up to $30 million.

Minnesota Vikings rookie Adrian Peterson is earning more than yards (http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_7380130)

soonerbornNbred
11-08-2007, 06:50 AM
so what thats saying is he could realistically earn 30 mil over next 5 years if he runs like he is....sounds like Reggie Bush got the better money deal....While AD is the real deal

From what I could see on the internet AD is getting second tier type money below E.James Duece McCallister

PurpleTide
11-08-2007, 07:00 AM
Adrian is a man of great caracter. He will retire a Viking, and the Wilf's will see to it.

ultravikingfan
11-08-2007, 08:02 AM
When it comes to money, contracts, and athletes these days I am a pessimist.
If we are not headed in the right direction (wins) then he will go.

Zeus
11-08-2007, 08:18 AM
"Frostbite" wrote:


Just currious with the Cap restrictions and the way players seem to have no loyalties anymore....except to the almighty dollar....how many seasons can we expect to keep Adrian Peterson in Minnesota. With our recent past history of losing tallent (One way or another) I am hoping this time will be different and we can lock A.P up for several years.

Any Thoughts??

Cheers!


"Recent past history of losing tallent(sic)"?

You mean losing EJ Henderson?
Oh, wait, he was signed to an extension.
How about Pat Williams...wait...another extension.
Kevin Williams....extended.
Bryant McKinnie....extended.

All of that within the last year.

The Vikings are willing to spend money to retain key talent.
I don't see AD ever wearing another jersey but #28 for the Minnesota Vikings.

=Z=

Frostbite
11-08-2007, 10:26 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


When it comes to money, contracts, and athletes these days I am a pessimist.
If we are not headed in the right direction (wins) then he will go.



Right On The Money (Excuse the Pun) Ultraviking. This worries me too.


Cheers!

vikes2456
11-08-2007, 10:29 AM
Childress will release him at the end of the season, and Marrdo will defend his decision with vigor.

josdin00
11-08-2007, 11:08 AM
"soonerbornNbred" wrote:


10 to 1 says because of all the "hes injury prone BS" he didnt get the deal he shouldve,He should get paid whatever the market will allow, I hope hes making a lil change on thoseTshirts even.... He has said hes not fond of coldweather...so maybe enuff for a offseason abode in the bahamas


The contract that he got was based on what the number 7 pick got last year, and what the NFL alloted to the Vikings in their 'Rookie pool' of available money for draft picks. If his contract doesn't compare to Reggie Bush's, that's not because Wilf is a hard negotiator or because the Vikings are tight with their cash. It's because Reggie was the #2 pick, and there's a lot of money that goes with that 5 pick difference.

The Vikings have never be hesitant to resign/restructure with guys that they wanted to keep. Hell, it's those resignings that gives Rob B. the flexibility he needs to massage the cap so that we're always among the teams with the most cap space available. He's a genius with 'incentives likely to be attained', but he needs contracts to write those incentives in to. AD seems like a professional, and a high quality guy, and if he has any issues with his contract, I'm sure that they will be handled behind closed doors, and we won't hear anything about it until something is signed that has to be reported to the league office.

Jeez. The guy's 8 games into his carreer, and already people are trying to get us pissed off at the team for mishandling him. Whatever issues we all have with the coaching staff, I've got no problem with the guys the negotiate and write those contracts.

mountainviking
11-08-2007, 11:26 AM
"vikes2456" wrote:


Childress will release him at the end of the season, and Marrdo will defend his decision with vigor.


LOL!!
That is funny.

If we consistently run him 30 times a game, good chance we wear him out in five years...and, a heavier workload probably increases the holdout chances.
There is an alarm that goes off in pro football player's minds when they get hurt and realize just how limited their playing years and paying years just might be.
I'm still hoping for ten+ seasons!!
Even if he has to back off some in those later years.

For the most part, I think he wants to play, and enjoys playing, so I don't see him holding out already next year.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that 17 million guaranteed is his salary first year plus signing bonus...?
I think 17 mill will keep him happy for at least 2 or 3 (plus the roughly 2 mill per year after the first, plus incentives).

And, when the time comes, if he keeps up this pace, I am sure that the Wilfs will try very hard to keep him around...HE IS THE FRANCHISE AT THIS POINT.

Purple Floyd
11-08-2007, 12:28 PM
My guess is we will trade him to a Boston team so he can get acquainted with all of our pro sports teams best players like Moss and Garnett (and probably Santana). ;D

ItalianStallion
11-08-2007, 12:32 PM
We'll he should be here for the rest of his rookie contract, barring any sort of serious injury issues I would imagine he'd be bere till he's at least 30ish.

DustinDupont
11-08-2007, 12:38 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


My guess is we will trade him to a Boston team so he can get acquainted with all of our pro sports teams best players like Moss and Garnett (and probably Santana). ;D

dont forget david ortiz.... but he isnt going anywhere!

Vikes_King
11-08-2007, 12:49 PM
i think he's got an easy 6 years with us.. Wilf isn't stupid, he knows how much media attention and fans a player of AP's calibur brings in, hell, did you see how damn excited wilf was when AP broke the record? That was a fierce handshake lol.
I'm confident in our front office,

BadlandsVikings
11-08-2007, 01:15 PM
"DustinDupont" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


My guess is we will trade him to a Boston team so he can get acquainted with all of our pro sports teams best players like Moss and Garnett (and probably Santana). ;D

dont forget david ortiz.... but he isnt going anywhere!


He sucked with Twins

SoonersRock
11-08-2007, 03:56 PM
I saw a video on another site, tour of his new house, He has one whole wall in his game room painted purple with a giant Viking logo in the middle of it. He's a team player type of guy, as long as there is some at least decent chemistry in the looker room and the owners don't try to screw him... I think y'all could keep him.

bleedpurple
11-08-2007, 04:01 PM
I'm sorry and no offense to anyone that said this.... but to think or speculate that AD/AP is gonna hold out after this year/or the next year is ludicrous, i.e. stupid.. i.e. ridiculous whatever

The fact is, he got an extremely good deal for where he was drafted in the draft.
At the time it was signed it was one of the richest or had potential (with incentives) to be one of the richest running back deals in history especially for a rookie.

He no way holds out... AD is a team player as evidenced by interviews, media, coaches, etc. talk about him.


If he holds out at all, it will be the year before his rookie deal expires, if the vikes don't extend him and give him more money first!!!

C'mon... the dude has played 8 games in his career and people are talking about him holding out..

It doesn't make any sense... If only that it would give him a HUGE black eye in the media and everywhere else...

Plus, i just don't think he thinks so highly of himself that he would even think to do something like that....

After year three of tip top performance and no injuries, is the earliest that i see that topic even being broached!!!

SoonersRock
11-08-2007, 04:41 PM
BTW, HERE (http://www.startribune.com/slideshows/rich_media/1518796.html) is the link to the aforementioned video, actually it's a slideshow, of Adrian's new house with the big purple wall in it.

Prophet
11-08-2007, 04:42 PM
AD signed a nice contract that is laced with incentives, I posted the specifics a while back.
Like Z said, the boys at Winter Park have done a good job retaining the folks with contracts that they want to retain.