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Schutz
11-05-2007, 12:10 AM
With our rush defense being number 2 in the league I ask this question.
If we can improve our pass defense I can definitely see the Vikes defense being a top 5 defense.
With that in mind, if we can get a QB who can be on a Kitna level or so of efficiency do you think we could ride a Vikings team like that to the Super Bowl adding to our current roster?


I could see it considering the Ravens have walked this path before, and in a weak NFC there's a thin line of good/bad teams.
I think if we added a Kitna type QB vet we could compliment our insane running attack ,and if our pass defense plays like they did against the Charger our defense could shut down any team in the NFC.


What do you think?

DustinDupont
11-05-2007, 12:15 AM
yeah are pass d was amazing today, hopefully they play that way the rest of the year

but i dont kno where we would get a qb like kitna.. but hopefully one of are qb's step up and we make a run and get into the playoffs

ultravikingfan
11-05-2007, 12:16 AM
We could.
And today we saw a well executed game plan.
We planned on pressuring Rivers with more than the down lineman.
I cannot stress how important that is.
I know we did not have the number of sacks we wanted, but the pressure was there.

And we played "Man" a lot more than we tradionally have this year...or at least I thought so.
A good mix of both.

Dwight Smith needs to control himself a little more.
His penalty was only a yard or so, but if they were around the 20-30 yard line that penalty is a killer.

Great job on the D boys.
I know AD's performance kind of overshadows your game, but great job.

tgorsegner
11-05-2007, 12:17 AM
"Schutz" wrote:




With our rush defense being number 2 in the league I ask this question.
If we can improve our pass defense I can definitely see the Vikes defense being a top 5 defense.
With that in mind, if we can get a QB who can be on a Kitna level or so of efficiency do you think we could ride a Vikings team like that to the Super Bowl adding to our current roster?



I could see it considering the Ravens have walked this path before, and in a weak NFC there's a thin line of good/bad teams.
I think if we added a Kitna type QB vet we could compliment our insane running attack ,and if our pass defense plays like they did against the Charger our defense could shut down any team in the NFC.


What do you think?




you mean like brooks bollinger?

its possible this year. but i think it will happen next year.

StillPurple
11-05-2007, 12:28 AM
Great pass defense today !!

We got physical on the LOS and it worked. The refs could have called us multiple times for pass interference, but they didn't. It worked and we disrupted Rivers' timing all game. Getting physical works. Jam the LOS.

Frostbite
11-05-2007, 12:36 AM
The pass defense was great because of the heat on Rivers. You saw a few times when we only rushed 4 he stood in and made the completions down field. I was a little surprised we only had the one pick....as Rivers usually makes more errant throws under pressure than that.

We seemed to have everythng well planned out defensively and the Players really executed. Rivers also under threw recievers on a couple of TD throws because he was hurried.

Everything worked today...what else can you say. This was such a fun game to watch on both sides of the ball.

Cheers!

DustinDupont
11-05-2007, 12:39 AM
"Frostbite" wrote:


The pass defense was great because of the heat on Rivers. You saw a few times when we only rushed 4 he stood in and made the completions down field. I was a little surprised we only had the one pick....as Rivers usually makes more errant throws under pressure than that.

We seemed to have everythng well planned out defensively and the Players really executed. Rivers also under threw recievers on a couple of TD throws because he was hurried.

Everything worked today...what else can you say. This was such a fun game to watch on both sides of the ball.

Cheers!


cant agree more

Vikes_King
11-05-2007, 12:54 AM
"tgorsegner" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:




With our rush defense being number 2 in the league I ask this question.
If we can improve our pass defense I can definitely see the Vikes defense being a top 5 defense.
With that in mind, if we can get a QB who can be on a Kitna level or so of efficiency do you think we could ride a Vikings team like that to the Super Bowl adding to our current roster?



I could see it considering the Ravens have walked this path before, and in a weak NFC there's a thin line of good/bad teams.
I think if we added a Kitna type QB vet we could compliment our insane running attack ,and if our pass defense plays like they did against the Charger our defense could shut down any team in the NFC.


What do you think?




you mean like brooks bollinger?

its possible this year. but i think it will happen next year.


exactly

Schutz
11-05-2007, 12:56 AM
I'm just hoping we don't continue to hang our hat on T-Jack when we can have a competitive team NOW, while we bring younger players along.
That's right I'm looking at you Chilly Dawg, no more T-Jack Project.

sharper42
11-05-2007, 01:39 AM
pass defense did play great. dwight smith is soo underrated

El Vikingo
11-05-2007, 06:09 AM
"Frostbite" wrote:


The pass defense was great because of the heat on Rivers. You saw a few times when we only rushed 4 he stood in and made the completions down field. I was a little surprised we only had the one pick....as Rivers usually makes more errant throws under pressure than that.

We seemed to have everythng well planned out defensively and the Players really executed. Rivers also under threw recievers on a couple of TD throws because he was hurried.

Everything worked today...what else can you say. This was such a fun game to watch on both sides of the ball.

Cheers!


Nice Frost,we have been playing some prevent D in most of tha games and that conservative way hasn´t worked at all,we must pressure any given QB with 8 in the box,that will cause fumbles,int and sacks,that will also cause some 1-1 on deep with some TD,but that´s okey for me,If we continue with
that blitz this colud be the best defense in the entire league,we have nothing to lose at this point ,so go for all.

PurpleTide
11-05-2007, 06:40 AM
Definantly a enjoyable game. Offense and Defense came to play. We were very physical and controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides. AD is awesome, Brooks looked good and so did Tarvaris before he got hurt. That was a scary moment. T-Jack was playing really well, possibly the best he's play'd all year. Nice throws and scrambled when it was there. I hope it's not serious, it was good to see him on the sidelines with a smile.

Pass defense really stepped up also, we kept Rivers off balance all day, and Gates only caught like 1 pass. EJ is a beast, McCauley really showed well, as did Griffin. Dwight Smith showed good burst to the ball. Cause they had some chances, but we pressured the QB, and recovered well in the secondary.

The only goof was that 109 yrd return on that missed field goal. We showed some grit and didn't go in the tank after that, and that is the sign of a fighter. Now lets build on this and keep the momentum.

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 12:00 PM
I am seeing a re-occuring theme and that is we did something drastic this week on D that made us better when in fact we did the same things.

Why were we successfull this week and not on others........

a.
We faced a young QB who had a bad Center trying to make line calls on the blitz.
b.
We mixed our LB blitzes up on were they were coming from between Leber and EJ.
Nothing new there.
We have been doing that mostly since game 2 or 3 and very aggressive with EJ at the line.
If you remember we got burned by KC, GB and Dallas up the middle on that.
What was the difference?
See item (a).
QB play wasn't as good IMHO.
c.
We still played predominatly a cover 2 scheme with man press when we did an allout blitz.
Again, nothing new here.
Why the difference in results.
Again, see Item (a).
Chad had some great chucks on Gates and then Gordon stuck with him on the routes that I watched just long enough to make Rivers shift to another target.
d.
Several times or Secondary was burned and Rivers had Recievers open but couldn't get the ball to them.
The pressure that the DL put on the QB caused him to move around, (he doesn't throw well on the move) as well as made him throw off his back foot several times instead of being able to step up.



I would like to mention one thing I did see that is a change that has nothing to do with the scheme.
Tank and Dwight made some great playes at safety along with Gordon, Griff and McCauley stepping up and having an almost flawless game.

I also saw more DL players rotating in and out.
That, I believe, kept K-will and Phat Pat a bit fresher towards the end allowing us to stay in a 3-4 at the end when they went no huddle.
Again, not a huge change, just something that helped in the execution.

Face it, the boys played today.
No rocket science involved.
Lets hope they can keep it up.

Zeus
11-05-2007, 12:37 PM
"Schutz" wrote:




With our rush defense being number 2 in the league I ask this question.
If we can improve our pass defense I can definitely see the Vikes defense being a top 5 defense.
With that in mind, if we can get a QB who can be on a Kitna level or so of efficiency do you think we could ride a Vikings team like that to the Super Bowl adding to our current roster?



I could see it considering the Ravens have walked this path before, and in a weak NFC there's a thin line of good/bad teams.
I think if we added a Kitna type QB vet we could compliment our insane running attack ,and if our pass defense plays like they did against the Charger our defense could shut down any team in the NFC.


What do you think?


I think calling the NFC "thin" is discounting the strength of both the NFC East and NFC Central.

=Z=

singersp
11-05-2007, 12:42 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:




With our rush defense being number 2 in the league I ask this question.
If we can improve our pass defense I can definitely see the Vikes defense being a top 5 defense.
With that in mind, if we can get a QB who can be on a Kitna level or so of efficiency do you think we could ride a Vikings team like that to the Super Bowl adding to our current roster?



I could see it considering the Ravens have walked this path before, and in a weak NFC there's a thin line of good/bad teams.
I think if we added a Kitna type QB vet we could compliment our insane running attack ,and if our pass defense plays like they did against the Charger our defense could shut down any team in the NFC.


What do you think?


I think calling the NFC "thin" is discounting the strength of both the NFC East and NFC Central.

=Z=


I believe you mean the NFC North.
:P

Zeus
11-05-2007, 12:44 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:




With our rush defense being number 2 in the league I ask this question.
If we can improve our pass defense I can definitely see the Vikes defense being a top 5 defense.
With that in mind, if we can get a QB who can be on a Kitna level or so of efficiency do you think we could ride a Vikings team like that to the Super Bowl adding to our current roster?



I could see it considering the Ravens have walked this path before, and in a weak NFC there's a thin line of good/bad teams.
I think if we added a Kitna type QB vet we could compliment our insane running attack ,and if our pass defense plays like they did against the Charger our defense could shut down any team in the NFC.


What do you think?


I think calling the NFC "thin" is discounting the strength of both the NFC East and NFC Central.


I believe you mean the NFC North.
:P


Yeah - that one.

=Z=

vike_mike
11-05-2007, 12:45 PM
I can tell you one thing.
You can believe that Childress went into half time and lit the team up.
I could see the look on his face when Cromartie ran that one back.
I knew that they were going to get it.
And as well they should.
That is the best performance by Griffin and others all year.
I had the same question as all of you must and that is why have we not played this way all year.
It is a grind to perform like that every game, but that is why they get paid the way they do.
I am sure that he challanged the O-line and the D-line demolish the Chargers at the point of attack.
Now, let's get it done at the cheese heads place!

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 12:48 PM
"vike_mike" wrote:


I can tell you one thing.
You can believe that Childress went into half time and lit the team up.
I could see the look on his face when Cromartie ran that one back.
I knew that they were going to get it.
And as well they should.
That is the best performance by Griffin and others all year.
I had the same question as all of you must and that is why have we not played this way all year.
It is a grind to perform like that every game, but that is why they get paid the way they do.
I am sure that he challanged the O-line and the D-line demolish the Chargers at the point of attack.
Now, let's get it done at the cheese heads place!

I agree with alot of the things this poster provided as an explanation.


I am seeing a re-occuring theme and that is we did something drastic this week on D that made us better when in fact we did the same things.

Why were we successfull this week and not on others........

a.
We faced a young QB who had a bad Center trying to make line calls on the blitz.
b.
We mixed our LB blitzes up on were they were coming from between Leber and EJ.
Nothing new there.
We have been doing that mostly since game 2 or 3 and very aggressive with EJ at the line.
If you remember we got burned by KC, GB and Dallas up the middle on that.
What was the difference?
See item (a).
QB play wasn't as good IMHO.
c.
We still played predominatly a cover 2 scheme with man press when we did an allout blitz.
Again, nothing new here.
Why the difference in results.
Again, see Item (a).
Chad had some great chucks on Gates and then Gordon stuck with him on the routes that I watched just long enough to make Rivers shift to another target.
d.
Several times or Secondary was burned and Rivers had Recievers open but couldn't get the ball to them.
The pressure that the DL put on the QB caused him to move around, (he doesn't throw well on the move) as well as made him throw off his back foot several times instead of being able to step up.



I would like to mention one thing I did see that is a change that has nothing to do with the scheme.
Tank and Dwight made some great playes at safety along with Gordon, Griff and McCauley stepping up and having an almost flawless game.

I also saw more DL players rotating in and out.
That, I believe, kept K-will and Phat Pat a bit fresher towards the end allowing us to stay in a 3-4 at the end when they went no huddle.
Again, not a huge change, just something that helped in the execution.

Face it, the boys played today.
No rocket science involved.
Lets hope they can keep it up

vike_mike
11-05-2007, 12:56 PM
I forgot to mention E.J. Fantastic game.
I hadn't seen the penetration in the last several games and the penetration was there Sunday.
Now we can go kick the crap out of the cheeeeeeessssssseeeeee heads!

TeamSoftware
11-05-2007, 02:03 PM
I wonder if it was not more going for broke we got nothing to loose that made the defense play better. I was waiting in the forth quarter for the Vikings to go into a soft prevent defense, but they continued to go after the Chargers, instead of letting them back in the game.

Desertvikingfan
11-05-2007, 02:18 PM
"vike_mike" wrote:


I can tell you one thing.
You can believe that Childress went into half time and lit the team up.
I could see the look on his face when Cromartie ran that one back.
I knew that they were going to get it.
And as well they should.
That is the best performance by Griffin and others all year.
I had the same question as all of you must and that is why have we not played this way all year.
It is a grind to perform like that every game, but that is why they get paid the way they do.
I am sure that he challanged the O-line and the D-line demolish the Chargers at the point of attack.
Now, let's get it done at the cheese heads place!
He did?
"It doesn't do any good to rant and rave," Childress said. "[The first half] was in the past. ... We were playing pretty good football, so if you want to come in and rant and rave, it's going to be a turnoff."

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 02:37 PM
"Desertvikingfan" wrote:


"vike_mike" wrote:


I can tell you one thing.
You can believe that Childress went into half time and lit the team up.
I could see the look on his face when Cromartie ran that one back.
I knew that they were going to get it.
And as well they should.
That is the best performance by Griffin and others all year.
I had the same question as all of you must and that is why have we not played this way all year.
It is a grind to perform like that every game, but that is why they get paid the way they do.
I am sure that he challanged the O-line and the D-line demolish the Chargers at the point of attack.
Now, let's get it done at the cheese heads place!
He did?
"It doesn't do any good to rant and rave," Childress said. "[The first half] was in the past. ... We were playing pretty good football, so if you want to come in and rant and rave, it's going to be a turnoff."


Ouch.

He was a bit steamed though wasn't he?

Anyone else like the way he had the refs and Norv all worked up over the "Delay of Game" "Not a Delay of Game" another "Delay of Game" penalty.

I get the strange feeling that the Chiller doesn't like refs and will go out of his way to prove them wrong or at least work them a bit to get them off kilter.
;D

NordicNed
11-05-2007, 02:43 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Desertvikingfan" wrote:


"vike_mike" wrote:


I can tell you one thing.
You can believe that Childress went into half time and lit the team up.
I could see the look on his face when Cromartie ran that one back.
I knew that they were going to get it.
And as well they should.
That is the best performance by Griffin and others all year.
I had the same question as all of you must and that is why have we not played this way all year.
It is a grind to perform like that every game, but that is why they get paid the way they do.
I am sure that he challanged the O-line and the D-line demolish the Chargers at the point of attack.
Now, let's get it done at the cheese heads place!
He did?
"It doesn't do any good to rant and rave," Childress said. "[The first half] was in the past. ... We were playing pretty good football, so if you want to come in and rant and rave, it's going to be a turnoff."


Ouch.

He was a bit steamed though wasn't he?

Anyone else like the way he had the refs and Norv all worked up over the "Delay of Game" "Not a Delay of Game" another "Delay of Game" penalty.

I get the strange feeling that the Chiller doesn't like refs and will go out of his way to prove them wrong or at least work them a bit to get them off kilter.

;D





I think the Refs had themselves confused at that point in the game, hell, they even started getting me confused.....LOL

Purple D
11-05-2007, 02:45 PM
Everyone was confused.
That was hard to watch without getting frustrated.
Hopefully that crew gets better before the next game they do for the vikes.

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 02:49 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Desertvikingfan" wrote:


"vike_mike" wrote:


I can tell you one thing.
You can believe that Childress went into half time and lit the team up.
I could see the look on his face when Cromartie ran that one back.
I knew that they were going to get it.
And as well they should.
That is the best performance by Griffin and others all year.
I had the same question as all of you must and that is why have we not played this way all year.
It is a grind to perform like that every game, but that is why they get paid the way they do.
I am sure that he challanged the O-line and the D-line demolish the Chargers at the point of attack.
Now, let's get it done at the cheese heads place!
He did?
"It doesn't do any good to rant and rave," Childress said. "[The first half] was in the past. ... We were playing pretty good football, so if you want to come in and rant and rave, it's going to be a turnoff."


Ouch.

He was a bit steamed though wasn't he?

Anyone else like the way he had the refs and Norv all worked up over the "Delay of Game" "Not a Delay of Game" another "Delay of Game" penalty.

I get the strange feeling that the Chiller doesn't like refs and will go out of his way to prove them wrong or at least work them a bit to get them off kilter.

;D





I think the Refs had themselves confused at that point in the game, hell, they even started getting me confused.....LOL

I think if we had insight into what devious shit was going on behind those glasses, beady eyes and stash, under that bald dome, we would all have nightmares for a month.


Keep working them Chiller.
;D

Vikes_King
11-05-2007, 04:48 PM
"Purple" wrote:


Everyone was confused.
That was hard to watch without getting frustrated.
Hopefully that crew gets better before the next game they do for the vikes.


it was a 1 time thing :P that crew is normally pretty good