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Angel_Martin
11-04-2007, 11:45 PM
You know, everyone rips "The Chiller" when we lose and say what an idiot he is, I suppose now people will go the other way because he got the big win again. It's funny how smart and how dumb a coach can get in just a week! LOL.

Coaches get way too much credit when they win and way too much blame when they lose.
To be fair, I think Childress had a good game plan and was able to change on the fly after his QB went down. He HAS made some bonehead decisions, but maybe he is getting a little better....

GO VIKES!!

Schutz
11-04-2007, 11:46 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Oh boy, that was a good laugh, "Childress a Genius" in a sentence is just too much for me to handle.

tgorsegner
11-04-2007, 11:50 PM
nope. he still has alot to prove. maybe if he keeps this up i will give him credit as a decent coach. not many coaches are geniuses. and the only one to work in minnesota was bud grant.

ultravikingfan
11-04-2007, 11:53 PM
Got to give him his due on this one.
Good game plan and execution.

Frostbite
11-04-2007, 11:57 PM
Well....I for one have been consistant. I have never liked Brad Childress as an Eagle Coach or now as our Head Coach. The man has a defeatest attitude which often spills over in close games. That is one of the many reasons I dislike him as a Coach. However...with that said he did a very good job overall today as did the O-coordinator and the D-coordinator.

Still I have said many times and I believe this truly. You can have the greatest coach that ever lived on the sidelines and if the PLAYERS do not execute the plays correctly you can still lose.

Cheers!

jkjuggalo
11-05-2007, 12:05 AM
In a word...NO.
When it takes a record breaking performance by an individual player to win a game, I cannot deem a coach a genius.
I will say that the play-calling was very good this week, but I dunno if that was Childress or Bevell.
All I want is for everyone on the team to be on the same page every week, and it seems that we are showing flashes of that more this year than last.
Lets hope that we can take advantage of our schedule for the rest of the season and only lose one or two games.

DustinDupont
11-05-2007, 12:08 AM
NO!

baumy300
11-05-2007, 12:10 AM
He's not a genius, but he finally used AP to his strengths. Not even close to genius, but he improved and got the win.

tb04512
11-05-2007, 12:11 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Got to give him his due on this one.
Good game plan and execution.


his due, i could have coached today

"ok adrian, now run left... goood goood ok now go right" lol

Vikes_King
11-05-2007, 12:12 AM
genius? no.
but i dont dislike the guy, i'm givin him a chance.
I'm all for having a short memory, but some people seem to forget that two years ago he was handed a completely wrecked team that the only headlines they got were about the illegal shit the players did

PurpleHornsOfDestruction
11-05-2007, 12:19 AM
Id say no.

Let's see. Time Management on the final drive of the half burning 40 seconds more then he needed to resulting in Longwell attempting a 58 yarder. Not too good. Having Taylor in too much at the goal line and not your best player causing a fumble. Not very good calls from what I saw. Just overcame by a great effort. They do too much run-run-run-run now run doesnt work so its 3rd in long and we pass-pass-pass until they stop that. No mixing it up. At many times they need to do play action. But hey we walked away with a W against a very dominent Charger football team so lets not look into the negatives huh. I'd just say Defense came to play.

StillPurple
11-05-2007, 12:20 AM
Nooooo.

We should have been playing like this all year.

BTW, Viking Nation, great win today !! Let's not let ANYTHING get in the way of us realizing what a HUGE win that was today. We are together, and that means, everyone.

At the same time, I do think Childress now has the solution:

a. GREAT DEFENSE
;D
b. ADRIAN PETERSON (the best running back I have ever seen !)
:o
c. Brooks Bollinger just "driving the bus".

We can win with this scheme.

Great defense + the best running back in NFL history can take you a long way in the NFL !!
;D

Caine
11-05-2007, 12:39 AM
"Angel_Martin" wrote:


You know, everyone rips "The Chiller" when we lose and say what an idiot he is, I suppose now people will go the other way because he got the big win again. It's funny how smart and how dumb a coach can get in just a week! LOL.

Coaches get way too much credit when they win and way too much blame when they lose.
To be fair, I think Childress had a good game plan and was able to change on the fly after his QB went down. He HAS made some bonehead decisions, but maybe he is getting a little better....

GO VIKES!!


Oh PUH-LEASE!!!!!

If by "genius" you mean, "Able to recognize a gift-horse when it drops in his lap and willing to ride that horse into another year as Head Coach", then I'd say sure.
But a couple of wins or a couple of losses don't make a coach a genius or a buffoon.
What defines a coach is the consistency that he displays by the team he fields throughout the season.
In 1 1/2 seasons, Childress hasn't managed to field any semblence of Offense that hasn't been named Adrian Peterson with the exception of a single game versus Seattle last season.

No, Childress has a bit of breathing room - courtesy of Adrian Peterson - but Peterson will only be able to mask the problem for so long.
Unless Chiller drastically improves the rest of his offense, people will see through the BS to the core problem.
Ask Wayne Fontes about that.

Caine

ItalianStallion
11-05-2007, 01:10 AM
I can't really speak much as this is only the second game I've seen (the Cowboys game being the other), but I was impressed with the defensive calls moreso than what we did on offense (which was mostly just superb execution of simple running plays).
We were able to do so well because our defense consistently got pressure on Rivers (even if we did only get one sack).
The pressure rushed him, rattled him and made him make bad throws, a couple nice plays by the DBs and we did much better against the pass.

I think I'm more suprised we shut Gates down than Tomlinson.

Vikes_King
11-05-2007, 01:21 AM
"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


Id say no.

Let's see. Time Management on the final drive of the half burning 40 seconds more then he needed to resulting in Longwell attempting a 58 yarder. Not too good. Having Taylor in too much at the goal line and not your best player causing a fumble. Not very good calls from what I saw. Just overcame by a great effort. They do too much run-run-run-run now run doesnt work so its 3rd in long and we pass-pass-pass until they stop that. No mixing it up. At many times they need to do play action. But hey we walked away with a W against a very dominent Charger football team so lets not look into the negatives huh. I'd just say Defense came to play.


most of your points im not going to argue since they're valid, but having taylor in too much at the goal line.. you cant put that as a negative point for childress.
#1 cuz its completely understandable why he did it, he was a productive back as the starter last year and its fair to give him a shot to get a TD here and there.
Plus taylor is plenty capable of pounding it in for 6, he's proven that.
And besides, did or did not the "best young player" (who i now have a massive man-crush on) also fumble in that game?


And besides, Taylor had what, 9 carries? Peterson had 30.
I think he got plenty of touches lol

midgensa
11-05-2007, 01:23 AM
I thought it was very good game plan defensively and offensively for Childress. He did mix in play-action passes ... went deep a few times (and hit on one of them) and call a lot of underneath stuff (the West Coast offense). I do think his clock management at the end of the half was a gaffe that could have ended up being quite major ... but all in all ... I say a B+ for Chilly Willy.

bigbadragz
11-05-2007, 01:24 AM
i thought this thread was a joke.
childress did everything he could to lose the game with the way he managed the last 2:30 of the first half, which ended up leading to san diegos 14-7 lead.


also, why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active, why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense, and why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?
now are these things gonna be permanent changes, or are we going to go back to the same vikings when petersen doesn't rush for 200 yards?

soonerbornNbred
11-05-2007, 01:33 AM
Offensively Im not convinced Today was a Game plan type of day...if so great game plan...I do believe it was adjustments due to injury...



First half AD only had 40 yards...BCs "project" QB went down(I do hope hes healthy) because had TJ played second half(if he hadnt have gotten injured) I believe we wouldve seen the original game plan, so you have to think first half was original...But you gotta give credit where credit is due great adjustment 2nd half that being said I know AD makes coaches look smarter than they actually are

But The defensive game plan was spot on...and I know if the defense gets to see they have a chance to win and they arent having to do it all by themselves
theyll play even better, as well as being better rested between series

Vikes_King
11-05-2007, 01:35 AM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


i thought this thread was a joke.
childress did everything he could to lose the game with the way he managed the last 2:30 of the first half, which ended up leading to san diegos 14-7 lead.


also, why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active, why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense, and why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?
now are these things gonna be permanent changes, or are we going to go back to the same vikings when petersen doesn't rush for 200 yards?



everything you just said, besides the thing about the end of the first half (which for all we know might not even be his fault, could just as easily be tavaris')

But yea


why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense

because we havnt had a quarterback or passing game to get it to them.


why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active

idk what game you were watching, but mewelde was our punt return man today lol


why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?

i know we dont have the sacks to prove it, but if its one thing people have praised leslie frazier for is blitzing a lot more than tomlin did.
Both coordinators have stressed how important it is to get pressure with your front 4, but we all know u have to throw in some blitzes every now and then.

He calls a hell of a lot more than were called last year.

soonerbornNbred
11-05-2007, 01:36 AM
Just saw your post C..........Please Dont let Bradley be Wayne Fontes









































Say it aint so

Caine
11-05-2007, 01:39 AM
If he is, hopefully Wilf will figure it out quicker than Detroit did...

Caine

CCthebest
11-05-2007, 01:40 AM
LOL this thread made me chuckle. Childress is 9-15. Some geniuss heh. The reason we won today? Childress still think TJ is the best QB and when brooks came in the second half he decided to run AD more so BB couldnt mess it up. If TJ was in there I doubt AD would have had 30 carries. At least he didnt throw any red flags this week. When will he learn how to manage the clock...

bigbadragz
11-05-2007, 01:48 AM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


i thought this thread was a joke.
childress did everything he could to lose the game with the way he managed the last 2:30 of the first half, which ended up leading to san diegos 14-7 lead.


also, why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active, why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense, and why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?
now are these things gonna be permanent changes, or are we going to go back to the same vikings when petersen doesn't rush for 200 yards?



everything you just said, besides the thing about the end of the first half (which for all we know might not even be his fault, could just as easily be tavaris')

But yea


why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense

because we havnt had a quarterback or passing game to get it to them.


why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active

idk what game you were watching, but mewelde was our punt return man today lol


why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?

i know we dont have the sacks to prove it, but if its one thing people have praised leslie frazier for is blitzing a lot more than tomlin did.
Both coordinators have stressed how important it is to get pressure with your front 4, but we all know u have to throw in some blitzes every now and then.

He calls a hell of a lot more than were called last year.

how are these things not his fault.
is he not the main decision maker.
mewelde has been active like the last 3 weeks and he returned punts for the first time today cuz wade was banged up.
but moore has proven to be a good threat while wade is by far nothing special.l
so basically we've had moore active the last 2 weeks to cover kickoffs alone, nice utilizing your talent.

and if tavaris is gonna get blamed for everything since he's finished all of 4 games, then wouldnt that fall on childress also, since he was part of drafting him and definitely part of giving him the reigns this year.
and were in game 8, and i believe a few qbs have played and there were games shiancoe didn't get thrown at, and where sidney rice wasn't even on the field.
i believe personel decisions are still part of coaching.

and people talk about leslie frazier being a guy that blitzes, but if you watched the previous games we were not blitzing and when we did we were giving cushion.
i.e" blitzing and bump and run".
we were alot more creative, sending corners, safeties, e.j. alot more and becuz of the tighter coverage, allowed the blitz to get there and force early and bad throws.
so if childress deserves credit for taht, ok, but if i recall the defense played great in the first half too and we were still losing 14-7 thanx to childress so take that for what it's worth.

Mr-holland
11-05-2007, 01:59 AM
Got to give it to Childress, i suppose this was the offense he always wanted, people please we had 5 offensive TD's today isn't that a huge improvement?

Vikes_King
11-05-2007, 02:01 AM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


i thought this thread was a joke.
childress did everything he could to lose the game with the way he managed the last 2:30 of the first half, which ended up leading to san diegos 14-7 lead.


also, why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active, why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense, and why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?
now are these things gonna be permanent changes, or are we going to go back to the same vikings when petersen doesn't rush for 200 yards?



everything you just said, besides the thing about the end of the first half (which for all we know might not even be his fault, could just as easily be tavaris')

But yea


why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense

because we havnt had a quarterback or passing game to get it to them.


why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active

idk what game you were watching, but mewelde was our punt return man today lol


why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?

i know we dont have the sacks to prove it, but if its one thing people have praised leslie frazier for is blitzing a lot more than tomlin did.
Both coordinators have stressed how important it is to get pressure with your front 4, but we all know u have to throw in some blitzes every now and then.

He calls a hell of a lot more than were called last year.

how are these things not his fault.
is he not the main decision maker.
mewelde has been active like the last 3 weeks and he returned punts for the first time today cuz wade was banged up.
but moore has proven to be a good threat while wade is by far nothing special.l
so basically we've had moore active the last 2 weeks to cover kickoffs alone, nice utilizing your talent.

and if tavaris is gonna get blamed for everything since he's finished all of 4 games, then wouldnt that fall on childress also, since he was part of drafting him and definitely part of giving him the reigns this year.
and were in game 8, and i believe a few qbs have played and there were games shiancoe didn't get thrown at, and where sidney rice wasn't even on the field.
i believe personel decisions are still part of coaching.

and people talk about leslie frazier being a guy that blitzes, but if you watched the previous games we were not blitzing and when we did we were giving cushion.
i.e" blitzing and bump and run".
we were alot more creative, sending corners, safeties, e.j. alot more and becuz of the tighter coverage, allowed the blitz to get there and force early and bad throws.
so if childress deserves credit for taht, ok, but if i recall the defense played great in the first half too and we were still losing 14-7 thanx to childress so take that for what it's worth.


i stopped reading your post after the first sentense since you apparantly didnt read mine very well.
The only thing that i said MIGHT not be his fault, was the time management at the end of the first half

bigbadragz
11-05-2007, 02:05 AM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


i thought this thread was a joke.
childress did everything he could to lose the game with the way he managed the last 2:30 of the first half, which ended up leading to san diegos 14-7 lead.


also, why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active, why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense, and why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?
now are these things gonna be permanent changes, or are we going to go back to the same vikings when petersen doesn't rush for 200 yards?



everything you just said, besides the thing about the end of the first half (which for all we know might not even be his fault, could just as easily be tavaris')

But yea


why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense

because we havnt had a quarterback or passing game to get it to them.


why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active

idk what game you were watching, but mewelde was our punt return man today lol


why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?

i know we dont have the sacks to prove it, but if its one thing people have praised leslie frazier for is blitzing a lot more than tomlin did.
Both coordinators have stressed how important it is to get pressure with your front 4, but we all know u have to throw in some blitzes every now and then.

He calls a hell of a lot more than were called last year.

how are these things not his fault.
is he not the main decision maker.
mewelde has been active like the last 3 weeks and he returned punts for the first time today cuz wade was banged up.
but moore has proven to be a good threat while wade is by far nothing special.l
so basically we've had moore active the last 2 weeks to cover kickoffs alone, nice utilizing your talent.

and if tavaris is gonna get blamed for everything since he's finished all of 4 games, then wouldnt that fall on childress also, since he was part of drafting him and definitely part of giving him the reigns this year.
and were in game 8, and i believe a few qbs have played and there were games shiancoe didn't get thrown at, and where sidney rice wasn't even on the field.
i believe personel decisions are still part of coaching.

and people talk about leslie frazier being a guy that blitzes, but if you watched the previous games we were not blitzing and when we did we were giving cushion.
i.e" blitzing and bump and run".
we were alot more creative, sending corners, safeties, e.j. alot more and becuz of the tighter coverage, allowed the blitz to get there and force early and bad throws.
so if childress deserves credit for taht, ok, but if i recall the defense played great in the first half too and we were still losing 14-7 thanx to childress so take that for what it's worth.


i stopped reading your post after the first sentense since you apparantly didnt read mine very well.
The only thing that i said MIGHT not be his fault, was the time management at the end of the first half

well then why all the excuses

tcvike
11-05-2007, 02:35 AM
Once Bollinger entered the game you see the attitude of the vikings change they had an extra kick in there step. I would say the players would rather have him in there than TJ. If Childress continues to play Bollinger then maybe he started to figure it out. No team is afraid of TJ throwing against them and so they bring the extra man up to stop AD. I don't like Childress and regardless of the rest of the season he needs to go at the end.

Storm
11-05-2007, 04:28 AM
Is Childress a Genius Now???

No, he's still a twat.

But I did see some improvements in this game, that can't be denied. Baring that retarded FG attempt, of course. If you're gonna attempt a 120 yard field goal, have some one cover the bloody return.

Jeremy
11-05-2007, 05:08 AM
Peterson basically single handedly beat a team for the second time this year. The guy is a freak like Randy Moss is a freak at WR. The smart thing would be to continue to not use Peterson on kick returns and continue to give him quite a few carries every game. Last time Peterson ran for 200+ he was given 12 carries the fallowing game. Last time the Vikings faced the packers Peterson was given 12 carries. You never know what to expect from Mr Secret Squirrel. Hepefully they aviod the Dallas gameplan to fool the other team by not handing the ball off to Peterson.

PurpleTide
11-05-2007, 07:08 AM
We executed the gameplan that Childress designed. If we had executed the gameplans all season we might just give coach Childress some more respect. Sure I'd like to know what happened with the clock management at the end of the first half, but overall we are starting to get better at the system the coaches have implemented. Tarvaris before getting hurt was on fire. It's a shame he got hurt, but I hope he will continue to run when the oppurtunity arises.

I like where we are heading under Coach Childress, and I can see clearly the improvements on this team. It is often hard to sit through transistional periods, but we are getting better and the second half of the season will be a good barometer for us to guage Childress and this team on.

singersp
11-05-2007, 07:14 AM
"PurpleTide" wrote:




We executed the gameplan that Childress designed. If we had executed the gameplans all season we might just give coach Childress some more respect. Sure I'd like to know what happened with the clock management at the end of the first half, but overall we are starting to get better at the system the coaches have implemented. Tarvaris before getting hurt was on fire. It's a shame he got hurt, but I hope he will continue to run when the oppurtunity arises.



??? T-Jack was on fire?
:-\

Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

W
35-17
1 1 6 12 50.0 63 5.3 0 0 0 0 65.6 2 19 9.5 0 -- --

singersp
11-05-2007, 07:16 AM
Genius? No, but I did see improvement over past weeks.

DeathtoDenny
11-05-2007, 07:16 AM
He's still a crap coach. The o-line and defense won the game. Childress didn't mention to the field goal team to watch for a return. He put in Chester Taylor in goal line and he fumbled. He took Peterson out when he had 293 yards and Chester Taylor ran for 7. The Vikings just exposed Norv Turner and Ted Cotrell as worse coaches. Especially Cotrell. And minus Peterson the new superfreak would we have won? If chilly can go 8-0 the rest of the way, MAYBE we keep him....lol

Purple Floyd
11-05-2007, 09:46 AM
Due to deer hunting I didn't see this game until the last 2 minutes but from the replays I saw, it looks like the coaches are starting to use the talent better where they have it. It is clear that QB is not our strong suit, but the team apparently went with their strong suit,which is running AP from the tailback position and it looks like they have stopped the split back experiment,at least from what I saw,which is good. And apparently they are starting to bring Rice into the game plan.

I am not sure about the pass blocking but it seems it would be hard to knock the run blocking since we got almost 400 rushing yards. The defense held Tomlinson to 40 or so rushing yards and pretty much shut down the chargers offense. I have been critical of the coaches but as I siad before,my job is to bitch when we lose and cheer when we win so this week I cheer the efforts of the coaches and players.

MetalMike-LoudVike
11-05-2007, 09:55 AM
Well you can always improve, but it has been rising like my blood pressure maybe this is just what this franchise needed. Now they gotta go stick it to Green Bay.

x-ray jeff
11-05-2007, 09:59 AM
I'm guessing the apeshitwild chewing out he gave them over the field goal return , (which he may not have ever done before) , got the boys attention. That second half was some good football.

vikes2456
11-05-2007, 10:02 AM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


i thought this thread was a joke.
childress did everything he could to lose the game with the way he managed the last 2:30 of the first half, which ended up leading to san diegos 14-7 lead.


also, why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active, why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense, and why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?
now are these things gonna be permanent changes, or are we going to go back to the same vikings when petersen doesn't rush for 200 yards?



everything you just said, besides the thing about the end of the first half (which for all we know might not even be his fault, could just as easily be tavaris')

But yea


why is sidney rice and shiancoe not more involved in the offense

because we havnt had a quarterback or passing game to get it to them.


why has mewelde not been returning punts when hes active

idk what game you were watching, but mewelde was our punt return man today lol


why did it take so long to play some bump and run and blitz a little bit?

i know we dont have the sacks to prove it, but if its one thing people have praised leslie frazier for is blitzing a lot more than tomlin did.
Both coordinators have stressed how important it is to get pressure with your front 4, but we all know u have to throw in some blitzes every now and then.

He calls a hell of a lot more than were called last year.

how are these things not his fault.
is he not the main decision maker.
mewelde has been active like the last 3 weeks and he returned punts for the first time today cuz wade was banged up.
but moore has proven to be a good threat while wade is by far nothing special.l
so basically we've had moore active the last 2 weeks to cover kickoffs alone, nice utilizing your talent.

and if tavaris is gonna get blamed for everything since he's finished all of 4 games, then wouldnt that fall on childress also, since he was part of drafting him and definitely part of giving him the reigns this year.
and were in game 8, and i believe a few qbs have played and there were games shiancoe didn't get thrown at, and where sidney rice wasn't even on the field.
i believe personel decisions are still part of coaching.

and people talk about leslie frazier being a guy that blitzes, but if you watched the previous games we were not blitzing and when we did we were giving cushion.
i.e" blitzing and bump and run".
we were alot more creative, sending corners, safeties, e.j. alot more and becuz of the tighter coverage, allowed the blitz to get there and force early and bad throws.
so if childress deserves credit for taht, ok, but if i recall the defense played great in the first half too and we were still losing 14-7 thanx to childress so take that for what it's worth.


i stopped reading your post after the first sentense since you apparantly didnt read mine very well.
The only thing that i said MIGHT not be his fault, was the time management at the end of the first half

You should of kept reading, he was right about Mewelde at least

MinnesotaFury
11-05-2007, 10:11 AM
As much as the team must have been down after that kick return to end the half, he must have really said something at halftime, because in the second half, our defense didn't let up, and our offense seemed to just roll.
It may have looked like the Adrian show out there but it really was a fine example of using the run to work the pass as well as just a great example of how to execute primary run blocking as well as downfield blocking.

I'll give Childress his due, but I'm not going to be claiming him as a genius until I see a playoff birth, whether that be this year or next.
Hhaha, playoffs...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jdUr5hF0yGc

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 10:13 AM
He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

They made no drastic changes to the scheme on either side of the ball that they haven't been doing before with a couple of exceptions:

a.
Defense.
It appeared to me that they shadowed Gates with Gordon when ever we had multiple blitzers (usually EJ and Leber) with Chad chipping gates at the line as well.
Additionally, we saw a bit of the ole 3-4 come out later on in the game which appeared to confuse Rivers as well.

I don't count either of those as scheme changes as we have see some of it before, but with other players and maybe not as many snaps at 3-4 as we did yesterday.

b.
Offense.
Again, only really big thing that can be accredited to a change was the fact that they increased AD's carries from 20-25 carries to 30 carries.
They still split time with CT and still tried to pass the ball on first downs.
They also had multiple TE's in to assist the OL with pass/run blocking.
The still (from what I could see) ZB on running plays and Man to Man blocked on passing situations.

What we did see was the OL blocking better.
Herrerra/Hutch are great at pulling with maybe Herrera being a bit more nimble at it.
(I am really starting to like that guy).
Birk only missed to line calls that I could tell and it appeared that everyone was doing a pretty good job of identifying the blitz after the C called it.

The T and RB still have some issues related to the pass but I think that is coming around a bit better.

We have traditionally seen one trick play out of the team (i.e. FG attempt into pass for TD, On side Kick, Fake latteral by Allison) which is also kindof something that the teams need to chew on as they prep for us.
Again, not a huge change, just a change in what trick they use.

Dibbledorf said it best.
They young kids gave us some production yesterday my friends along with some unsung hero's like Tank, Dwight, Phat Pat and K-will.

Again, the coaching staff didn't do anything drastic that can be attributed to the win. This one is all on the players who came out and executed (with a few exceptions) the game plan the coaches drew up.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.
;D

singersp
11-05-2007, 10:16 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

They made no drastic changes to the scheme on either side of the ball that they haven't been doing before with a couple of exceptions:

a.
Defense.
It appeared to me that they shadowed Gates with Gordon when ever we had multiple blitzers (usually EJ and Leber) with Chad chipping gates at the line as well.
Additionally, we saw a bit of the ole 3-4 come out later on in the game which appeared to confuse Rivers as well.

I don't count either of those as scheme changes as we have see some of it before, but with other players and maybe not as many snaps at 3-4 as we did yesterday.

b.
Offense.
Again, only really big thing that can be accredited to a change was the fact that they increased AD's carries from 20-25 carries to 30 carries.
They still split time with CT and still tried to pass the ball on first downs.
They also had multiple TE's in to assist the OL with pass/run blocking.
The still (from what I could see) ZB on running plays and Man to Man blocked on passing situations.

What we did see was the OL blocking better.
Herrerra/Hutch are great at pulling with maybe Herrera being a bit more nimble at it.
(I am really starting to like that guy).
Birk only missed to line calls that I could tell and it appeared that everyone was doing a pretty good job of identifying the blitz after the C called it.

The T and RB still have some issues related to the pass but I think that is coming around a bit better.

We have traditionally seen one trick play out of the team (i.e. FG attempt into pass for TD, On side Kick, Fake latteral by Allison) which is also kindof something that the teams need to chew on as they prep for us.
Again, not a huge change, just a change in what trick they use.

Dibbledorf said it best.
They young kids gave us some production yesterday my friends along with some unsung hero's like Tank, Dwight, Phat Pat and K-will.

Again, the coaching staff didn't do anything drastic that can be attributed to the win. This one is all on the players who came out and executed (with a few exceptions) the game plan the coaches drew up.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D



So what you are saying is they made adjustments to the scheme(s), tweaked it a bit?
;)

It's OK.............Say it! :P

C Mac D
11-05-2007, 10:18 AM
Fire Brad Childress.

He only wins when AP puts up 200+ yards (or when we are playing Joey Touchdown).

Fire Childress.

snowinapril
11-05-2007, 10:21 AM
"Caine" wrote:


"Angel_Martin" wrote:


You know, everyone rips "The Chiller" when we lose and say what an idiot he is, I suppose now people will go the other way because he got the big win again. It's funny how smart and how dumb a coach can get in just a week! LOL.

Coaches get way too much credit when they win and way too much blame when they lose.
To be fair, I think Childress had a good game plan and was able to change on the fly after his QB went down. He HAS made some bonehead decisions, but maybe he is getting a little better....

GO VIKES!!


Oh PUH-LEASE!!!!!

If by "genius" you mean, "Able to recognize a gift-horse when it drops in his lap and willing to ride that horse into another year as Head Coach", then I'd say sure.
But a couple of wins or a couple of losses don't make a coach a genius or a buffoon.
What defines a coach is the consistency that he displays by the team he fields throughout the season.
In 1 1/2 seasons, Childress hasn't managed to field any semblence of Offense that hasn't been named Adrian Peterson with the exception of a single game versus Seattle last season.

No, Childress has a bit of breathing room - courtesy of Adrian Peterson - but Peterson will only be able to mask the problem for so long.
Unless Chiller drastically improves the rest of his offense, people will see through the BS to the core problem.
Ask Wayne Fontes about that.

Caine


BellyCheck is both a buffoon and a genius who put together a string of losses in Clevetown before mooving to Beantown.
He was also fortunate to have his own gift horse.

Will the offseason bring some needed help on offense to help Chilly look more like a genius?


When the QBs don't make plays on a consistent basis, you can't blame that entirely on the coach.
Chilly seems to have made a "commitment" to T-Jack, one that he will definitely have to reevaluate down the stretch.

Wade Phillips on the other hand is no genius (IMHO), but he is fortunate to inherit his own gift horse (Romo) and a winning football team.

Zeus
11-05-2007, 10:21 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D


He wasn't an idiot before yesterday and he ain't a genius now.
He's a coach who knows more about football than all of us put together who is working hard on making the team better.

=Z=

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 10:22 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

They made no drastic changes to the scheme on either side of the ball that they haven't been doing before with a couple of exceptions:

a.
Defense.
It appeared to me that they shadowed Gates with Gordon when ever we had multiple blitzers (usually EJ and Leber) with Chad chipping gates at the line as well.
Additionally, we saw a bit of the ole 3-4 come out later on in the game which appeared to confuse Rivers as well.

I don't count either of those as scheme changes as we have see some of it before, but with other players and maybe not as many snaps at 3-4 as we did yesterday.

b.
Offense.
Again, only really big thing that can be accredited to a change was the fact that they increased AD's carries from 20-25 carries to 30 carries.
They still split time with CT and still tried to pass the ball on first downs.
They also had multiple TE's in to assist the OL with pass/run blocking.
The still (from what I could see) ZB on running plays and Man to Man blocked on passing situations.

What we did see was the OL blocking better.
Herrerra/Hutch are great at pulling with maybe Herrera being a bit more nimble at it.
(I am really starting to like that guy).
Birk only missed to line calls that I could tell and it appeared that everyone was doing a pretty good job of identifying the blitz after the C called it.

The T and RB still have some issues related to the pass but I think that is coming around a bit better.

We have traditionally seen one trick play out of the team (i.e. FG attempt into pass for TD, On side Kick, Fake latteral by Allison) which is also kindof something that the teams need to chew on as they prep for us.
Again, not a huge change, just a change in what trick they use.

Dibbledorf said it best.
They young kids gave us some production yesterday my friends along with some unsung hero's like Tank, Dwight, Phat Pat and K-will.

Again, the coaching staff didn't do anything drastic that can be attributed to the win. This one is all on the players who came out and executed (with a few exceptions) the game plan the coaches drew up.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D



So what you are saying is they made adjustments to the scheme(s), tweaked it a bit?
;)

It's OK.............Say it! :P

You are correct.
The staff has been making adjustments all year, and I have been highlighting them to anyone who said they haven't.

Amazing on how a win and everyone sees them, but we loose and the staff is holding the players back.

You all crack me up.
;D

C Mac D
11-05-2007, 10:22 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.
;D


He wasn't an idiot before yesterday and he ain't a genius now.
He's a coach who knows more about football than all of us put together who is working hard on making the team better.

=Z=


No, he's an idiot today... tomorrow... and beyond.

Fire Childress.

snowinapril
11-05-2007, 10:23 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.
;D


He wasn't an idiot before yesterday and he ain't a genius now.
He's a coach who knows more about football than all of us put together who is working hard on making the team better.

=Z=


Amen Archbishop

Zeus
11-05-2007, 10:25 AM
"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D


He wasn't an idiot before yesterday and he ain't a genius now.
He's a coach who knows more about football than all of us put together who is working hard on making the team better.


No, he's an idiot today... tomorrow... and beyond.

Fire Childress.


That's some deep analysis dude.
Really showed me there!

=Z=

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 10:25 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D


He wasn't an idiot before yesterday and he ain't a genius now.
He's a coach who knows more about football than all of us put together who is working hard on making the team better.

=Z=


Well said (No strikethrough) my friend.
;D

Mr-holland
11-05-2007, 10:44 AM
"DeathtoDenny" wrote:


He's still a crap coach. The o-line and defense won the game. Childress didn't mention to the field goal team to watch for a return. He put in Chester Taylor in goal line and he fumbled. He took Peterson out when he had 293 yards and Chester Taylor ran for 7. The Vikings just exposed Norv Turner and Ted Cotrell as worse coaches. Especially Cotrell. And minus Peterson the new superfreak would we have won? If chilly can go 8-0 the rest of the way, MAYBE we keep him....lol

so childress isn't coaching the o-line and the defense?
And how could childress know Taylor would fumble, that is NOT childress' fault.

And how is the FG his fault? i'm glad they went for it because if you have 1 chance to go into halftime i'd take it.
the result wasn't good but childress?

bleedpurple
11-05-2007, 10:52 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

They made no drastic changes to the scheme on either side of the ball that they haven't been doing before with a couple of exceptions:

a.
Defense.
It appeared to me that they shadowed Gates with Gordon when ever we had multiple blitzers (usually EJ and Leber) with Chad chipping gates at the line as well.
Additionally, we saw a bit of the ole 3-4 come out later on in the game which appeared to confuse Rivers as well.

I don't count either of those as scheme changes as we have see some of it before, but with other players and maybe not as many snaps at 3-4 as we did yesterday.

b.
Offense.
Again, only really big thing that can be accredited to a change was the fact that they increased AD's carries from 20-25 carries to 30 carries.
They still split time with CT and still tried to pass the ball on first downs.
They also had multiple TE's in to assist the OL with pass/run blocking.
The still (from what I could see) ZB on running plays and Man to Man blocked on passing situations.

What we did see was the OL blocking better.
Herrerra/Hutch are great at pulling with maybe Herrera being a bit more nimble at it.
(I am really starting to like that guy).
Birk only missed to line calls that I could tell and it appeared that everyone was doing a pretty good job of identifying the blitz after the C called it.

The T and RB still have some issues related to the pass but I think that is coming around a bit better.

We have traditionally seen one trick play out of the team (i.e. FG attempt into pass for TD, On side Kick, Fake latteral by Allison) which is also kindof something that the teams need to chew on as they prep for us.
Again, not a huge change, just a change in what trick they use.

Dibbledorf said it best.
They young kids gave us some production yesterday my friends along with some unsung hero's like Tank, Dwight, Phat Pat and K-will.

Again, the coaching staff didn't do anything drastic that can be attributed to the win. This one is all on the players who came out and executed (with a few exceptions) the game plan the coaches drew up.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D



I'm not sure I completely agree with you.. while the differences you mentioned were true... there were other subtle changes...

1. Defense.. Without our best corner, we played better in the secondary.. whether players took it as a challenge to step up in the absense of winfield. it looked like we played more physical and gave less cushion.. which is what we should have been doing all along.. additionally, the blitzes were better timed and disguised..

2. Special Teams, they finally let Me-Mo out there and he showed how much of a better returner he is than wade.. and by far...

3. we def. blocked better than in all the games this season, whith the exceptuion of the Chicago game.. and as we were saying all along, taking ap off of kickoff returns and giving him more carries def. made a difference...

4. also, they utilized AP in the passing game a little more sending him out of the backfield a little more than they used to in previous games..

5. so maybe they weren't drastic changes, they did appear to put our playmakers in better position to do what they do best which is make plays... If not for the injuries to Wade and T-will out with fam issues, Rice got more playing time and he demonstrated why he needs more time...
Also, using Shiancoe in the offense more was good too...

6. not that we're the chargers, but our offensive talent looks a lot like what the chargers have.. with the exception of Gates at tight-end at the QB position...

7. TJ didn't play bad.. but clearly there is a difference b/t his accuracy and Bollinger's accuracy.. at least in that game.. time will tell...

8. The execution was definately better.. but some of the tweaks were extremely noticeable...


Now, whether that translates to other games, i'm not sure.. but i would like to see us play d like that more often.. not sure whether it was just the chargers or if we're capable of doing that week in and week out..

they're receivers aren't that good.. it'll be interesting to see if we can atleast do half of what we did this week next week against greenbay.. if we do we may just be able to eak out a win...

singersp
11-05-2007, 11:01 AM
"Mr-holland" wrote:


"DeathtoDenny" wrote:


He's still a crap coach. The o-line and defense won the game. Childress didn't mention to the field goal team to watch for a return. He put in Chester Taylor in goal line and he fumbled. He took Peterson out when he had 293 yards and Chester Taylor ran for 7. The Vikings just exposed Norv Turner and Ted Cotrell as worse coaches. Especially Cotrell. And minus Peterson the new superfreak would we have won? If chilly can go 8-0 the rest of the way, MAYBE we keep him....lol

so childress isn't coaching the o-line and the defense?
And how could childress know Taylor would fumble, that is NOT childress' fault.

And how is the FG his fault? i'm glad they went for it because if you have 1 chance to go into halftime i'd take it.
the result wasn't good but childress?


What I found at fault was the wasted time (almost 30 seconds) before a time out was finally called. There was 1:20 on the clock when they ran the play for a 6 yard gain
& they didn't take the time-out until 0:46 remained.

It would have given them about another half a minute down in the Chargers territorry for a play or two to get some extra yards & shorten the kicking distance.


If you recall, Bollinger had to spike the ball on 3rd down rather than get a play off.

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 11:04 AM
"bleedpurple" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

They made no drastic changes to the scheme on either side of the ball that they haven't been doing before with a couple of exceptions:

a.
Defense.
It appeared to me that they shadowed Gates with Gordon when ever we had multiple blitzers (usually EJ and Leber) with Chad chipping gates at the line as well.
Additionally, we saw a bit of the ole 3-4 come out later on in the game which appeared to confuse Rivers as well.

I don't count either of those as scheme changes as we have see some of it before, but with other players and maybe not as many snaps at 3-4 as we did yesterday.

b.
Offense.
Again, only really big thing that can be accredited to a change was the fact that they increased AD's carries from 20-25 carries to 30 carries.
They still split time with CT and still tried to pass the ball on first downs.
They also had multiple TE's in to assist the OL with pass/run blocking.
The still (from what I could see) ZB on running plays and Man to Man blocked on passing situations.

What we did see was the OL blocking better.
Herrerra/Hutch are great at pulling with maybe Herrera being a bit more nimble at it.
(I am really starting to like that guy).
Birk only missed to line calls that I could tell and it appeared that everyone was doing a pretty good job of identifying the blitz after the C called it.

The T and RB still have some issues related to the pass but I think that is coming around a bit better.

We have traditionally seen one trick play out of the team (i.e. FG attempt into pass for TD, On side Kick, Fake latteral by Allison) which is also kindof something that the teams need to chew on as they prep for us.
Again, not a huge change, just a change in what trick they use.

Dibbledorf said it best.
They young kids gave us some production yesterday my friends along with some unsung hero's like Tank, Dwight, Phat Pat and K-will.

Again, the coaching staff didn't do anything drastic that can be attributed to the win. This one is all on the players who came out and executed (with a few exceptions) the game plan the coaches drew up.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D



I'm not sure I completely agree with you.. while the differences you mentioned were true... there were other subtle changes...

1. Defense.. Without our best corner, we played better in the secondary.. whether players took it as a challenge to step up in the absense of winfield. it looked like we played more physical and gave less cushion.. which is what we should have been doing all along.. additionally, the blitzes were better timed and disguised..

2. Special Teams, they finally let Me-Mo out there and he showed how much of a better returner he is than wade.. and by far...

3. we def. blocked better than in all the games this season, whith the exceptuion of the Chicago game.. and as we were saying all along, taking ap off of kickoff returns and giving him more carries def. made a difference...

4. also, they utilized AP in the passing game a little more sending him out of the backfield a little more than they used to in previous games..

5. so maybe they weren't drastic changes, they did appear to put our playmakers in better position to do what they do best which is make plays... If not for the injuries to Wade and T-will out with fam issues, Rice got more playing time and he demonstrated why he needs more time...
Also, using Shiancoe in the offense more was good too...

6. not that we're the chargers, but our offensive talent looks a lot like what the chargers have.. with the exception of Gates at tight-end at the QB position...

7. TJ didn't play bad.. but clearly there is a difference b/t his accuracy and Bollinger's accuracy.. at least in that game.. time will tell...

8. The execution was definately better.. but some of the tweaks were extremely noticeable...


Now, whether that translates to other games, i'm not sure.. but i would like to see us play d like that more often.. not sure whether it was just the chargers or if we're capable of doing that week in and week out..

they're receivers aren't that good.. it'll be interesting to see if we can atleast do half of what we did this week next week against greenbay.. if we do we may just be able to eak out a win...


Very nice my friend.
Best post of the day so far.

Subtle changes are just that, nothing drastic.

Start with the OL play/executing the way the scheme is designed.
What are the benefits of that?

a.
That allowed for more rushing yards, causing the defense to really cheat up, which allows the RB's to get play actions/draws as well as allowing for the TE's to chip and get out in the flats.
Again, not a change, just the OL doing thier job which allowed for a bit more of the playbook/scheme to be used.

b. Move on to the DL play.
Again, same scheme, they just got there a bit faster.
End result, more pressure equates to QB throwing off his back foot or on the run which made alot of passes a bit (a couple way off) thier mark.
This in turn also made the QB throw the ball faster which drastically makes our secondary look better.

Don't get me wrong, the guys in the secondary (- Sharper) played the best game so far, but some of that is attributed to Keneche, Edwards, Evans, Phat Pat, Kwill, heck I even saw ole 99 in there once or twice.

Maybe the addition of Evans and Erasmus is getting the other 4 or 5 some extra rest someplace allowing them to be a bit fresher at the end.
Again, not a change to the scheme, just better execution.

c. As for Memo (gonna get blasted by Singer
;D), he really only returned one ball.
In fact he let a couple get over his head that pinned us deep a couple of times.


I don't blame either Memo or B-wade for that.
What that shows me is that we need to take a look at how we cover/block the guys when they get off the line so our returner (Memo or B-wade) has more time to field the ball and run with it.
Long story short, I still see an issue with that area that needs to be fixed.

As you stated, nothing drastic, just changes/tweeks.
I've been saying the staff has been doing that all year.
Some just haven't been able to see it until now I guess.
;D

Again, nice post my friend.
Very nice indeed.

Mr-holland
11-05-2007, 11:05 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Mr-holland" wrote:


"DeathtoDenny" wrote:


He's still a crap coach. The o-line and defense won the game. Childress didn't mention to the field goal team to watch for a return. He put in Chester Taylor in goal line and he fumbled. He took Peterson out when he had 293 yards and Chester Taylor ran for 7. The Vikings just exposed Norv Turner and Ted Cotrell as worse coaches. Especially Cotrell. And minus Peterson the new superfreak would we have won? If chilly can go 8-0 the rest of the way, MAYBE we keep him....lol

so childress isn't coaching the o-line and the defense?
And how could childress know Taylor would fumble, that is NOT childress' fault.

And how is the FG his fault? i'm glad they went for it because if you have 1 chance to go into halftime i'd take it.
the result wasn't good but childress?


What I found at fault was the wasted time (almost 30 seconds) before a time out was finally called. There was 1:20 on the clock when they ran the play for a 6 yard gain
& they didn't take the time-out until 0:46 remained.

It would have given them about another half a minute down in the Chargers territorry for a play or two to get some extra yards & shorten the kicking distance.


If you recall, Bollinger had to spike the ball on 3rd down rather than get a play off.

true, but the call was good imo

Mr. Purple
11-05-2007, 11:09 AM
I've said since day one I would give him 3 years to impress me.And after 2nd year you'd pretty much know how the third would be.(Then the team could release him if wanted)
Childress to me is a good coach...and I think because hes such a great coach, he needs his players to play at the same.Lets face it...when AP turns it on, the offense turns on.What does that tell you?Hes the only playmaker on the offense.Now Rice is starting to emerge as the second playmaker.And look what happens? We win.When our players, playing in his system, play effectively, we win.


I wont call him a Genius yet, but I will say that he is not a 'scrub'.
I'm willing to give him one more year of FA and drafting, and see what he can do.
After that I will conclude my judgment. He and Wilf have turned over a below average organization in terms of finances and marketability.They're pushing for a stadium, and hopefully it'll come sooner then later.And lets face it, we have a top 5 defense that is only gonna get better.We've suffered for years here asking LORD JUST GIVE US A DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now we have one, so shut your mouths. l) Maybe its because I live in FL and I watched Dungy and the Bucs play like this for MANY years.They always got the job done, and where always in the mix.I feel given more time for our offense, we'll be a VERY different team from the days of Culpepper and Moss.



Patience is a virtue.

singersp
11-05-2007, 11:15 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

They made no drastic changes to the scheme on either side of the ball that they haven't been doing before with a couple of exceptions:

a.
Defense.
It appeared to me that they shadowed Gates with Gordon when ever we had multiple blitzers (usually EJ and Leber) with Chad chipping gates at the line as well.
Additionally, we saw a bit of the ole 3-4 come out later on in the game which appeared to confuse Rivers as well.

I don't count either of those as scheme changes as we have see some of it before, but with other players and maybe not as many snaps at 3-4 as we did yesterday.

b.
Offense.
Again, only really big thing that can be accredited to a change was the fact that they increased AD's carries from 20-25 carries to 30 carries.
They still split time with CT and still tried to pass the ball on first downs.
They also had multiple TE's in to assist the OL with pass/run blocking.
The still (from what I could see) ZB on running plays and Man to Man blocked on passing situations.

What we did see was the OL blocking better.
Herrerra/Hutch are great at pulling with maybe Herrera being a bit more nimble at it.
(I am really starting to like that guy).
Birk only missed to line calls that I could tell and it appeared that everyone was doing a pretty good job of identifying the blitz after the C called it.

The T and RB still have some issues related to the pass but I think that is coming around a bit better.

We have traditionally seen one trick play out of the team (i.e. FG attempt into pass for TD, On side Kick, Fake latteral by Allison) which is also kindof something that the teams need to chew on as they prep for us.
Again, not a huge change, just a change in what trick they use.

Dibbledorf said it best.
They young kids gave us some production yesterday my friends along with some unsung hero's like Tank, Dwight, Phat Pat and K-will.

Again, the coaching staff didn't do anything drastic that can be attributed to the win. This one is all on the players who came out and executed (with a few exceptions) the game plan the coaches drew up.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D



So what you are saying is they made adjustments to the scheme(s), tweaked it a bit?
;)

It's OK.............Say it! :P

You are correct.
The staff has been making adjustments all year, and I have been highlighting them to anyone who said they haven't.

Amazing on how a win and everyone sees them, but we loose and the staff is holding the players back.

You all crack me up.

;D






:P


"singersp" wrote:



....These types of adjustments are the types we need to see at more than at the DB & safety positions,

but I don't see it happening under Childress. Other teams adjust & we seem to continue with the same game plan without adjustments throughout the entire game.



"Marrdro" wrote:



Adjustments need to be made cliche'.
Gimme a break.

;D

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 11:26 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

They made no drastic changes to the scheme on either side of the ball that they haven't been doing before with a couple of exceptions:

a.
Defense.
It appeared to me that they shadowed Gates with Gordon when ever we had multiple blitzers (usually EJ and Leber) with Chad chipping gates at the line as well.
Additionally, we saw a bit of the ole 3-4 come out later on in the game which appeared to confuse Rivers as well.

I don't count either of those as scheme changes as we have see some of it before, but with other players and maybe not as many snaps at 3-4 as we did yesterday.

b.
Offense.
Again, only really big thing that can be accredited to a change was the fact that they increased AD's carries from 20-25 carries to 30 carries.
They still split time with CT and still tried to pass the ball on first downs.
They also had multiple TE's in to assist the OL with pass/run blocking.
The still (from what I could see) ZB on running plays and Man to Man blocked on passing situations.

What we did see was the OL blocking better.
Herrerra/Hutch are great at pulling with maybe Herrera being a bit more nimble at it.
(I am really starting to like that guy).
Birk only missed to line calls that I could tell and it appeared that everyone was doing a pretty good job of identifying the blitz after the C called it.

The T and RB still have some issues related to the pass but I think that is coming around a bit better.

We have traditionally seen one trick play out of the team (i.e. FG attempt into pass for TD, On side Kick, Fake latteral by Allison) which is also kindof something that the teams need to chew on as they prep for us.
Again, not a huge change, just a change in what trick they use.

Dibbledorf said it best.
They young kids gave us some production yesterday my friends along with some unsung hero's like Tank, Dwight, Phat Pat and K-will.

Again, the coaching staff didn't do anything drastic that can be attributed to the win. This one is all on the players who came out and executed (with a few exceptions) the game plan the coaches drew up.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D



So what you are saying is they made adjustments to the scheme(s), tweaked it a bit?
;)

It's OK.............Say it! :P

You are correct.
The staff has been making adjustments all year, and I have been highlighting them to anyone who said they haven't.

Amazing on how a win and everyone sees them, but we loose and the staff is holding the players back.

You all crack me up.

;D






:P


"singersp" wrote:



....These types of adjustments are the types we need to see at more than at the DB & safety positions,

but I don't see it happening under Childress. Other teams adjust & we seem to continue with the same game plan without adjustments throughout the entire game.



"Marrdro" wrote:



Adjustments need to be made cliche'.
Gimme a break.

;D



They didn't make any adjustments in the secondary my friend.
We saw the same cover 2 with an occasional press/man to man by the DB when we had all out blitzes.
That has happened in the past before.
Nothing new other than we executed.

What you did see happen was alot of better DL play as well as some great play by our secondary in the Cover 2 scheme.


Look I know you want to give up on the scheme but that not only didn't happen this weekend, but it isn't gonna happen.
Our players are better suited to that scheme.

Again, Sorry my friend. Nothing changed.


In fact I look for Sharper to beeeeyatch some more as he was left out of the fun.
I kept waiting to see 42 come flying in on all those floaters and pick one off, but all I saw was 23, 24, 40, 31 etc.
Funny how that happens.


Must have been the coaches holding him back again and just letting the others play.
;D

mountainviking
11-05-2007, 11:50 AM
Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!
I know, lets get a new coach every other year, have them install a new system on offense, defense, and ST, roll in some new players (big name FAs past their prime who we can overpay to keep the fans happy) and just continue on our merry way of 6-10 and 8-8 seasons!!
That way all you haters will have something to hate!
You make me want to PUKE :-X

He is not an idiot.
He is not a genius.
He's a coach with a young team that makes a lot of youthful mistakes.
I see improvement.
Most importantly, on the OLINE!
Second, among our WRs!
Even AP is improving!
On top of that, the defense is still getting better, and will continue to do so if our offense can keep them off of the freakin field for better than half a game!!
Hell, I'll go so far as to say Childress is improving!
He has never been a head coach before, and obviously has some things to learn as well.

TJack got two firsts with his legs and more with his arm.
BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.

Dang.
I don't think this team belongs in the playoffs, and I don't think anyone should expect them to get there in year 2, but I do hope we win most of the rest of the games this season just so the haters will STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We've got another 8 games this season to bring it all together, why not give them a chance, see what happens, and look forward to next year's team with one more round of draft picks and FAs to fill in the missing pieces (QB?).
Sounds to me that some of you are rooting against the Minnesota Vikings.

singersp
11-05-2007, 11:51 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

They made no drastic changes to the scheme on either side of the ball that they haven't been doing before with a couple of exceptions:

a.
Defense.
It appeared to me that they shadowed Gates with Gordon when ever we had multiple blitzers (usually EJ and Leber) with Chad chipping gates at the line as well.
Additionally, we saw a bit of the ole 3-4 come out later on in the game which appeared to confuse Rivers as well.

I don't count either of those as scheme changes as we have see some of it before, but with other players and maybe not as many snaps at 3-4 as we did yesterday.

b.
Offense.
Again, only really big thing that can be accredited to a change was the fact that they increased AD's carries from 20-25 carries to 30 carries.
They still split time with CT and still tried to pass the ball on first downs.
They also had multiple TE's in to assist the OL with pass/run blocking.
The still (from what I could see) ZB on running plays and Man to Man blocked on passing situations.

What we did see was the OL blocking better.
Herrerra/Hutch are great at pulling with maybe Herrera being a bit more nimble at it.
(I am really starting to like that guy).
Birk only missed to line calls that I could tell and it appeared that everyone was doing a pretty good job of identifying the blitz after the C called it.

The T and RB still have some issues related to the pass but I think that is coming around a bit better.

We have traditionally seen one trick play out of the team (i.e. FG attempt into pass for TD, On side Kick, Fake latteral by Allison) which is also kindof something that the teams need to chew on as they prep for us.
Again, not a huge change, just a change in what trick they use.

Dibbledorf said it best.
They young kids gave us some production yesterday my friends along with some unsung hero's like Tank, Dwight, Phat Pat and K-will.

Again, the coaching staff didn't do anything drastic that can be attributed to the win. This one is all on the players who came out and executed (with a few exceptions) the game plan the coaches drew up.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D



So what you are saying is they made adjustments to the scheme(s), tweaked it a bit?
;)

It's OK.............Say it! :P

You are correct.
The staff has been making adjustments all year, and I have been highlighting them to anyone who said they haven't.

Amazing on how a win and everyone sees them, but we loose and the staff is holding the players back.

You all crack me up.

;D






:P


"singersp" wrote:



....These types of adjustments are the types we need to see at more than at the DB & safety positions,

but I don't see it happening under Childress. Other teams adjust & we seem to continue with the same game plan without adjustments throughout the entire game.



"Marrdro" wrote:



Adjustments need to be made cliche'.
Gimme a break.

;D



They didn't make any adjustments in the secondary my friend.
We saw the same cover 2 with an occasional press/man to man by the DB when we had all out blitzes.
That has happened in the past before.
Nothing new other than we executed.

What you did see happen was alot of better DL play as well as some great play by our secondary in the Cover 2 scheme.


Look I know you want to give up on the scheme but that not only didn't happen this weekend, but it isn't gonna happen.
Our players are better suited to that scheme.

Again, Sorry my friend. Nothing changed.


In fact I look for Sharper to beeeeyatch some more as he was left out of the fun.
I kept waiting to see 42 come flying in on all those floaters and pick one off, but all I saw was 23, 24, 40, 31 etc.
Funny how that happens.



Must have been the coaches holding him back again and just letting the others play.
;D


It appeared to me there was a lot more man-to-man coverage on the defense side of the ball then there was zone. The DB's were tighter on the LOS rather than giving them that 10 yard cusion.

That's my opinion & to me that was an adjustment.

mountainviking
11-05-2007, 11:55 AM
I think the man to man is a byproduct of the blitzing we did...more than any other game this year...I guess that is an adjustment.
Favre will be better at picking it up, but we all know he can be flustered by pressure into making mistakes ;D

Ben
11-05-2007, 11:57 AM
He is a legend in his own mind.
As long as he stays out of the way, this team will do great things.

ultravikingfan
11-05-2007, 11:58 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


He isn't anymore of a genius now than before.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is just crazy.

;D


He wasn't an idiot before yesterday and he ain't a genius now.
He's a coach who knows more about football than all of us put together who is working hard on making the team better.

=Z=


You should add that to your sig line.

singersp
11-05-2007, 11:58 AM
"mountainviking" wrote:


I think the man to man is a byproduct of the blitzing we did...more than any other game this year...I guess that is an adjustment.
Favre will be better at picking it up, but we all know he can be flustered by pressure into making mistakes ;D


That I believe will be the key to a win this weekend. Once Favre gets rattled, his production goes down.

Hopefully we have a plan to do just that, but so far his O-line has been doing a damn fine job.

V-Unit
11-05-2007, 12:07 PM
His halftime speech must have been better than it was against the Eagles.

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 12:09 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!
I know, lets get a new coach every other year, have them install a new system on offense, defense, and ST, roll in some new players (big name FAs past their prime who we can overpay to keep the fans happy) and just continue on our merry way of 6-10 and 8-8 seasons!!
That way all you haters will have something to hate!
You make me want to PUKE :-X

He is not an idiot.
He is not a genius.
He's a coach with a young team that makes a lot of youthful mistakes.
I see improvement.
Most importantly, on the OLINE!
Second, among our WRs!
Even AP is improving!
On top of that, the defense is still getting better, and will continue to do so if our offense can keep them off of the freakin field for better than half a game!!
Hell, I'll go so far as to say Childress is improving!
He has never been a head coach before, and obviously has some things to learn as well.

TJack got two firsts with his legs and more with his arm.
BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.

Dang.
I don't think this team belongs in the playoffs, and I don't think anyone should expect them to get there in year 2, but I do hope we win most of the rest of the games this season just so the haters will STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We've got another 8 games this season to bring it all together, why not give them a chance, see what happens, and look forward to next year's team with one more round of draft picks and FAs to fill in the missing pieces (QB?).
Sounds to me that some of you are rooting against the Minnesota Vikings.

What a delightfull read.

Great job my friend.
;D

ultravikingfan
11-05-2007, 12:09 PM
"V" wrote:


His halftime speech must have been better than it was against the Eagles.


Good coaches make good adjustments during the coarse of a game.

snowinapril
11-05-2007, 12:11 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


I think the man to man is a byproduct of the blitzing we did...more than any other game this year...I guess that is an adjustment.
Favre will be better at picking it up, but we all know he can be flustered by pressure into making mistakes ;D


He is playing some good Football right ow.
He is airing it out and letting the WRs run under it.

I would like to run all over these clowns and lull them to sleep.
We can't let them behind us in the passing game.

Childress better put his Einstein brain to work.

singersp
11-05-2007, 12:50 PM
"V" wrote:


His halftime speech must have been better than it was against the Eagles.


Perhaps they sang "Kumbaya" during the half time instead of after the game.
:P

V4L
11-05-2007, 12:59 PM
He had a good game plan and stuck to it...

Made good adjustments which is something he never did before

And besides a couple dumb plays they would have been shut out

SKOL
11-05-2007, 12:59 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


I think the man to man is a byproduct of the blitzing we did...more than any other game this year...I guess that is an adjustment.
Favre will be better at picking it up, but we all know he can be flustered by pressure into making mistakes ;D


He is playing some good Football right ow.
He is airing it out and letting the WRs run under it.

I would like to run all over these clowns and lull them to sleep.
We can't let them behind us in the passing game.

Childress better put his Einstein brain to work.


sarcasm noted

NordicNed
11-05-2007, 01:04 PM
"SKOL" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


I think the man to man is a byproduct of the blitzing we did...more than any other game this year...I guess that is an adjustment.
Favre will be better at picking it up, but we all know he can be flustered by pressure into making mistakes ;D


He is playing some good Football right ow.
He is airing it out and letting the WRs run under it.

I would like to run all over these clowns and lull them to sleep.
We can't let them behind us in the passing game.

Childress better put his Einstein brain to work.


sarcasm noted






Skol,






Don't know why, but I just busted a gut over your avitar.....God I love that little guy....LOL ;D

crazyB
11-05-2007, 01:10 PM
let's wait and see how good he look's by the end of the season shall we before we call him a genius or an idiot.

singersp
11-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Is there such a thing as a geniot?

Ranger
11-05-2007, 01:28 PM
Jesus fucking Christ, this Childress shit is getting out of hand!
How about we give a guy more than two years to right something that was sinking badly?
Give TJ some more games to grow into the position, if he can, and give Childress some time to get the pieces he wants and to learn about the job of a Head Coach in the NFL.
He's been around success, and hate on the Eagles all you want, but they were always well prepared on the offensive side of the ball...even when they only had one playmaker on offense.

Everybody wants the '07 Vikings to perform like the '07 Patriots, but it just aint gonna happen.
Give it time!
Even Bilicheck (spellin'?) and an ABC camera crew couldn't get us those types of results right now.

I'm not watching ball this season to expect WINS, I'm expecting PROGRESSION.
Which we've had!
Flashes of brilliance, and on Peterson's part, something that made my pants shrink.
I have a lot of man love for that kid right now.

Vikes
11-05-2007, 01:29 PM
IMO the turning point was when the SD ran back the missed FG. Childress looked pissed and finally said let's stick with whats working. Also TJack going down actually worked in our favor as well.

bleedpurple
11-05-2007, 01:31 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!
I know, lets get a new coach every other year, have them install a new system on offense, defense, and ST, roll in some new players (big name FAs past their prime who we can overpay to keep the fans happy) and just continue on our merry way of 6-10 and 8-8 seasons!!
That way all you haters will have something to hate!
You make me want to PUKE :-X

He is not an idiot.
He is not a genius.
He's a coach with a young team that makes a lot of youthful mistakes.
I see improvement.
Most importantly, on the OLINE!
Second, among our WRs!
Even AP is improving!
On top of that, the defense is still getting better, and will continue to do so if our offense can keep them off of the freakin field for better than half a game!!
Hell, I'll go so far as to say Childress is improving!
He has never been a head coach before, and obviously has some things to learn as well.

TJack got two firsts with his legs and more with his arm.
BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.

Dang.
I don't think this team belongs in the playoffs, and I don't think anyone should expect them to get there in year 2, but I do hope we win most of the rest of the games this season just so the haters will STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We've got another 8 games this season to bring it all together, why not give them a chance, see what happens, and look forward to next year's team with one more round of draft picks and FAs to fill in the missing pieces (QB?).
Sounds to me that some of you are rooting against the Minnesota Vikings.

What a delightfull read.

Great job my friend.

;D


While you maybe right regarding give him a chance with the next 8 games... But let's see here..

Why did Brad take this job..? he said they had the most talent of all the teams needing coaches that year.. SO what did he do..? take a mediocre team, get rid of a few players and we were a worse team.. "on the field" that is...

I like how we're drafting and the talent we have on offense.. But Lord know's we should have had a vet QB and try to atleast trade for a competent option at WR... Heck, the chargers got Chambers for a second round pick... We could have done something similar... going into the season as Bwade as a #1 or 2 option is insane...

Additionally, yes, we saw them play well for the 2nd time this season... pretty much on all sides of the ball.. but that doesn't change the fact that Memo should have been retuning punts all along... (it took him awhile to get going but clearly he's better than wade is back there..)


Ap should have been getting the bulk of the carries all along.. DUH!!!
Fans have been saying this for weeks now...
I'm not advocating giving him 30 carries a game week in and week out, but yes, 20-25 is about right...

our o-line playing as a unit is good..
like in Chicago.. but then what happened the next few weeks.. duds...

if the coaching staff had them playing more consistent or like that all year.. who knows where we'd be.??

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know some of these things... I'm sorry but the coaches should have figured this out months ago...

Rice is the best receiver we have.. experienced or not.. if your gonna go with TJ, then why not give Rice more clock.. He's been open down the sideline quite a few times.. and they've just missed him...
the only other guy to get behind the defense like he does is twill...

AP should have never been returning kickoffs... PERIOD!!!!

As for the defense... scheme wise... i think we did blitz more and played tighter coverage this game than in any game all season.... Whether the guys stepped up bc Winfield was gone.. maybe.. but this should have been done awhile ago... mixing it up and what not... disguising blitzes etc... granted they're receivers are somewhat suspect like ours are.. but the secondary we have can play man coverage.. and they should have been agressive like this more often... given the non-existent consistent pass rush the last 6 games...

On offense... people have been saying get AP the ball.. have him run routes.. I don't necessarily want to see him spread out in the slot or any thing.. but our second longest pass play this year came in the first game on a swing pass to AP and that has yet to be used other than then, or if i am missing something.. not enough...

We still haven't utilized enough screens.. this season.. which would probably come in handy on third and long... esp. when teams blitz us...

So while I can't speak for everybody on here.. the play calling and putting in different wrinkles etc./ getting playmakers the ball etc. should have been done a long time ago...

Everyone knows the scheme works, as evidenced by the VIkings with Bud Grant, 49ers with Bill Walsh, Green Bay with Holmegran and Andy Reid with the eagles to name a few....

It's how the scheme is implemented, the adjustments, playcalling etc.. is what is being questioned... Same with the defense... Everyone knows the cover-2 works.. but how it is coached and implemented is the BIG THING!!....

All that falls directly at the feet of the coach/coaching staff...

Yes, the players could do a better job as well... but it's coaching them and putting them in the position to be successful and knowing your roster and playing to their strengths...

I will say this though... I've never seen our O-line or any for that matter play the way they did yesterday...

That was just insane... Taylor would have probably had 200 yards as well...

So yes, i agree Chilly is getting better.. but only out of necessity...
He made changes yesterday that people have been calling for all year... so what does that mean...???
stubborn, naive, stupid,??? not sure.. but for some of us, just plain common sense!!!

COJOMAY
11-05-2007, 01:35 PM
I just have to laugh at threads like this...
Yup, we all should be coaches because we are all such experts.
When the team plays great it was because the players executed. When we lose it's all the coach's fault.
Now there's a now win situation if I ever saw it.

ultravikingfan
11-05-2007, 01:37 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That shit doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than shit.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/th_Brooks.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/?action=view&current=Brooks.flv)

tb04512
11-05-2007, 01:40 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That shit doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than shit.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/th_Brooks.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/?action=view&current=Brooks.flv)


brooks shouldalanded on the ball instead of chase it around like an idiot

ultravikingfan
11-05-2007, 01:47 PM
"tb04512" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That shit doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than shit.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/th_Brooks.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/?action=view&current=Brooks.flv)


brooks shouldalanded on the ball instead of chase it around like an idiot


He got the ball, didn't he?
Jeez.

Desertvikingfan
11-05-2007, 01:49 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That pooh doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than pooh.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/th_Brooks.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/?action=view&current=Brooks.flv)
Great post my friend. Finally a voice of reason. Bollinger did just fine yesterday. Made a few good throws and kept the offense moving.
As for Childress genius or not? Hard to call a coach with his record a genius. Obviously great players make great coaches. ;)

ultravikingfan
11-05-2007, 01:53 PM
Just to make things clear, I am not posting in this thread because I think Chilly is a genius.

Ranger
11-05-2007, 01:56 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Just to make things clear, I am not posting in this thread because I think Chilly is a genius.




He grew that sweet 'stache, meaning he's at least part genius.

singersp
11-05-2007, 02:04 PM
"Ranger" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Just to make things clear, I am not posting in this thread because I think Chilly is a genius.




He grew that sweet 'stache, meaning he's at least part genius.


I have heard that about people who have or have had staches.

BadlandsVikings
11-05-2007, 02:07 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Just to make things clear, I am not posting in this thread because I think Chilly is a genius.




He grew that sweet 'stache, meaning he's at least part genius.


I have heard that about people who have or have had staches.


Are they still a genius if the've shaved them?

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 02:18 PM
Wow.
Were to start.

Contradictions.


But Lord know's we should have had a vet QB and try to atleast trade for a competent option at WR... Heck, the chargers got Chambers for a second round pick... We could have done something similar... going into the season as Bwade as a #1 or 2 option is insane...

Rice is the best receiver we have.. experienced or not.. if your gonna go with TJ, then why not give Rice more clock.. He's been open down the sideline quite a few times.. and they've just missed him...
the only other guy to get behind the defense like he does is twill...


What QB?
Garcia.
Probably the only one that fit the scheme.
Or are you thinking they bring in a Vet and change the scheme to his strenghts when all the other team is brought in cause the compliment the WCO?

Go get a Vet WR but also let the Rookie play.
How do you propose he does that and have all the DL, RB, and TE's etc etc etc on the field at the same time.
Please give me a list of the 53 men (just put FA WR X in that spot) roster that you think we should have.

Singer will get me on this one, however.....


but that doesn't change the fact that Memo should have been retuning punts all along... (it took him awhile to get going but clearly he's better than wade is back there..)


He actually had one good return yesterday and muffed at least 2 that left us in pretty tough field position.
Not good when you have a young QB.
Hell even the dumb announcers knew that much.
::)
At least B-wade caught (almost) every ball kicked to him without it taking bad rolls in favor of the kicking team.

Anyway, go back a couple of weeks and tell me who you take off the roster to have Memo on it just to field punts?
Again, it gets back to a numbers game and that damn rule the NFL has that states you can only have 53 man roster.

You ever wonder why Wes Welker is returning Punts for the Pats?
Its not because the Coach is hard headed my friend.
It is because of that 53 man rule again.


Ap should have been getting the bulk of the carries all along.. DUH!!!
Fans have been saying this for weeks now...
I'm not advocating giving him 30 carries a game week in and week out, but yes, 20-25 is about right...


1rst Week AD 19/CT 3, 2nd Week AD 20/Memo 3, 3rd Week AD 25/Memo 4, 4th Week AD 12/CT 8, 5th Week Bye, 6th Week AD 20/CT 22, 7th Week AD 12/CT 10, 8th Week AD 20/CT 6, 9th Week AD 30/CT 9.

Seems to me he has been getting the bulk of the carries
Whats your point?


And then you come with this........


AP should have never been returning kickoffs... PERIOD!!!!

Another contridiction.
First you want him to have the brunt of the load, but you also want to limit his touches.
Doesn't make sense.

Hey, I know, you are worried about him getting hurt.
He, look at the other 53 man rosters.
Seems to me that at some point a starter/key player is on special teams.
Just so happens that KO returns are nothing like PR when it comes to injury.

Again, doesn't make sense to me that you have an issue here.
Possibly another contridiction or you are a bit confused on how the whole 53 man roster thing works.


our o-line playing as a unit is good..
like in Chicago.. but then what happened the next few weeks.. duds...

if the coaching staff had them playing more consistent or like that all year.. who knows where we'd be.??


Not sure what you are getting at with this one.
Are you saying the coaches need to get on the field and help out?

Thats not gonna happen.
Coaches coach and players play.
Give both of them credit this week.
The coaches rolled out the scheme and the players executed. Nothing more, nothing less.
Don't try to add to or take away.


Why did Brad take this job..? he said they had the most talent of all the teams needing coaches that year.. SO what did he do..? take a mediocre team, get rid of a few players and we were a worse team.. "on the field" that is...

I like how we're drafting and the talent we have on offense..
Additionally, yes, we saw them play well for the 2nd time this season... pretty much on all sides of the ball..


Possibly another contridiction here.
First you say you don't understand why he is getting rid of mediocler players but you like who they are drafting.

Again, back to the whole 53 man roster.
Who would have you kept and which of the 2006 and 2007 draft class would have you left off the roster?

Can't have it both ways my friend.
You still need to stay at 53.
Wait, wait, wait, maybe he could have had a few of them slip through waivers and then get them on the practice squad.

Damn, that doesn't happen either.
You draft good guys and try that, what happens, other teams that didn't have such great drafts snatch them up.

Again, quiet a quandry you have there.


Here comes another good one.
We have been blitzing quiet a bit or haven't you watched how EJ and Leber have been working.

I think (as I stated in another thread that you must have missed) that it had alot to do with the experience level of thier QB and that they had a Backup Center in there trying to make the line calls for the blitz.

Throw in the fact that they have added 2 more DL to the rotation (keeps everyone fresher) allowed us to bring more heat at the end of the game.
Back to that ole 53 man roster limitation again.


As for the defense... scheme wise... i think we did blitz more and played tighter coverage this game than in any game all season.... Whether the guys stepped up bc Winfield was gone.. maybe.. but this should have been done awhile ago... mixing it up and what not... disguising blitzes etc... granted they're receivers are somewhat suspect like ours are.. but the secondary we have can play man coverage.. and they should have been agressive like this more often... given the non-existent consistent pass rush the last 6 games...



It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know some of these things... I'm sorry but the coaches should have figured this out months ago...
Your right, it isn't brain surgery.
I am sure your 53 man roster will clear it up for me.

Here is another great piece.


On offense... people have been saying get AP the ball.. have him run routes.. I don't necessarily want to see him spread out in the slot or any thing.. but our second longest pass play this year came in the first game on a swing pass to AP and that has yet to be used other than then, or if i am missing something.. not enough...

We still haven't utilized enough screens.. this season.. which would probably come in handy on third and long... esp. when teams blitz us...

So while I can't speak for everybody on here.. the play calling and putting in different wrinkles etc./ getting playmakers the ball etc. should have been done a long time ago...

Everyone knows the scheme works, as evidenced by the VIkings with Bud Grant, 49ers with Bill Walsh, Green Bay with Holmegran and Andy Reid with the eagles to name a few....


Do you think that just maybe they really didn't do anything different this week other than execute enough to get into the playbook a little further?

Seems to me that because of the fantastic OL play things just went alot better when it came to what could be done with the ball.

Great blocking up front allows for TE's to run routes, allows for RB's to chip and then get out into the secondary for those play actions, it allows for the blockers to hold long enough to run the screen.

I've been on the OL all year (since week 2) and believe me when I tell you, the OL play was key to seeing that stuff this week and not seeing it in previous weeks.

As you so dutifully noted.


I will say this though... I've never seen our O-line or any for that matter play the way they did yesterday...

You right, it does all fall to the coach.


All that falls directly at the feet of the coach/coaching staff...

And as you say here, the players could (in the previous games) do a better job.


Yes, the players could do a better job as well... but it's coaching them and putting them in the position to be successful and knowing your roster and playing to their strengths...


But don't you think they were put in the right place and the only reason why you believe the coaches did a better job this week is because the players did execute the best they have had this year?


So yes, i agree Chilly is getting better.. but only out of necessity...
He made changes yesterday that people have been calling for all year... so what does that mean...
stubborn, naive, stupid,??? not sure.. but for some of us, just plain common sense!!!


Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the coaches aren't out there making the players do things that aren't to thier strengths.
You do realize that all of the players are on this team cause thier talents fit the scheme.

To contend that the staff is forcing them to do anything but what thier strenght/talent is just to hard for me to comprehend.

gagarr
11-05-2007, 02:25 PM
During the first 7 games.... give the ball to AD (All Day... Peterson) we do well

Blitz and we do better

Stick with MM as the punt returner and Allison for the KO.... NO MORE MUSICAL RETURNERS.

Brook Bollinger has a 112 QB rating... TJ 50.
Need a passing QB with short/intermediate accuracy, i.e. a West Coast Offense QB.... TJ is NOT this.

NordicNed
11-05-2007, 02:29 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Wow.
Were to start.

Contradictions.


But Lord know's we should have had a vet QB and try to atleast trade for a competent option at WR... Heck, the chargers got Chambers for a second round pick... We could have done something similar... going into the season as Bwade as a #1 or 2 option is insane...

Rice is the best receiver we have.. experienced or not.. if your gonna go with TJ, then why not give Rice more clock.. He's been open down the sideline quite a few times.. and they've just missed him...
the only other guy to get behind the defense like he does is twill...


What QB?
Garcia.
Probably the only one that fit the scheme.
Or are you thinking they bring in a Vet and change the scheme to his strenghts when all the other team is brought in cause the compliment the WCO?

Go get a Vet WR but also let the Rookie play.
How do you propose he does that and have all the DL, RB, and TE's etc etc etc on the field at the same time.
Please give me a list of the 53 men (just put FA WR X in that spot) roster that you think we should have.

Singer will get me on this one, however.....


but that doesn't change the fact that Memo should have been retuning punts all along... (it took him awhile to get going but clearly he's better than wade is back there..)


He actually had one good return yesterday and muffed at least 2 that left us in pretty tough field position.
Not good when you have a young QB.
Hell even the dumb announcers knew that much.

::)
At least B-wade caught (almost) every ball kicked to him without it taking bad rolls in favor of the kicking team.

Anyway, go back a couple of weeks and tell me who you take off the roster to have Memo on it just to field punts?
Again, it gets back to a numbers game and that damn rule the NFL has that states you can only have 53 man roster.

You ever wonder why Wes Welker is returning Punts for the Pats?
Its not because the Coach is hard headed my friend.
It is because of that 53 man rule again.


Ap should have been getting the bulk of the carries all along.. DUH!!!
Fans have been saying this for weeks now...
I'm not advocating giving him 30 carries a game week in and week out, but yes, 20-25 is about right...


1rst Week AD 19/CT 3, 2nd Week AD 20/Memo 3, 3rd Week AD 25/Memo 4, 4th Week AD 12/CT 8, 5th Week Bye, 6th Week AD 20/CT 22, 7th Week AD 12/CT 10, 8th Week AD 20/CT 6, 9th Week AD 30/CT 9.

Seems to me he has been getting the bulk of the carries
Whats your point?


And then you come with this........


AP should have never been returning kickoffs... PERIOD!!!!

Another contridiction.
First you want him to have the brunt of the load, but you also want to limit his touches.
Doesn't make sense.

Hey, I know, you are worried about him getting hurt.
He, look at the other 53 man rosters.
Seems to me that at some point a starter/key player is on special teams.
Just so happens that KO returns are nothing like PR when it comes to injury.

Again, doesn't make sense to me that you have an issue here.
Possibly another contridiction or you are a bit confused on how the whole 53 man roster thing works.


our o-line playing as a unit is good..
like in Chicago.. but then what happened the next few weeks.. duds...

if the coaching staff had them playing more consistent or like that all year.. who knows where we'd be.??


Not sure what you are getting at with this one.
Are you saying the coaches need to get on the field and help out?

Thats not gonna happen.
Coaches coach and players play.
Give both of them credit this week.
The coaches rolled out the scheme and the players executed. Nothing more, nothing less.
Don't try to add to or take away.


Why did Brad take this job..? he said they had the most talent of all the teams needing coaches that year.. SO what did he do..? take a mediocre team, get rid of a few players and we were a worse team.. "on the field" that is...

I like how we're drafting and the talent we have on offense..
Additionally, yes, we saw them play well for the 2nd time this season... pretty much on all sides of the ball..


Possibly another contridiction here.
First you say you don't understand why he is getting rid of mediocler players but you like who they are drafting.

Again, back to the whole 53 man roster.
Who would have you kept and which of the 2006 and 2007 draft class would have you left off the roster?

Can't have it both ways my friend.
You still need to stay at 53.
Wait, wait, wait, maybe he could have had a few of them slip through waivers and then get them on the practice squad.

Damn, that doesn't happen either.
You draft good guys and try that, what happens, other teams that didn't have such great drafts snatch them up.

Again, quiet a quandry you have there.


Here comes another good one.
We have been blitzing quiet a bit or haven't you watched how EJ and Leber have been working.

I think (as I stated in another thread that you must have missed) that it had alot to do with the experience level of thier QB and that they had a Backup Center in there trying to make the line calls for the blitz.

Throw in the fact that they have added 2 more DL to the rotation (keeps everyone fresher) allowed us to bring more heat at the end of the game.
Back to that ole 53 man roster limitation again.


As for the defense... scheme wise... i think we did blitz more and played tighter coverage this game than in any game all season.... Whether the guys stepped up bc Winfield was gone.. maybe.. but this should have been done awhile ago... mixing it up and what not... disguising blitzes etc... granted they're receivers are somewhat suspect like ours are.. but the secondary we have can play man coverage.. and they should have been agressive like this more often... given the non-existent consistent pass rush the last 6 games...



It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know some of these things... I'm sorry but the coaches should have figured this out months ago...
Your right, it isn't brain surgery.
I am sure your 53 man roster will clear it up for me.

Here is another great piece.


On offense... people have been saying get AP the ball.. have him run routes.. I don't necessarily want to see him spread out in the slot or any thing.. but our second longest pass play this year came in the first game on a swing pass to AP and that has yet to be used other than then, or if i am missing something.. not enough...

We still haven't utilized enough screens.. this season.. which would probably come in handy on third and long... esp. when teams blitz us...

So while I can't speak for everybody on here.. the play calling and putting in different wrinkles etc./ getting playmakers the ball etc. should have been done a long time ago...

Everyone knows the scheme works, as evidenced by the VIkings with Bud Grant, 49ers with Bill Walsh, Green Bay with Holmegran and Andy Reid with the eagles to name a few....


Do you think that just maybe they really didn't do anything different this week other than execute enough to get into the playbook a little further?

Seems to me that because of the fantastic OL play things just went alot better when it came to what could be done with the ball.

Great blocking up front allows for TE's to run routes, allows for RB's to chip and then get out into the secondary for those play actions, it allows for the blockers to hold long enough to run the screen.

I've been on the OL all year (since week 2) and believe me when I tell you, the OL play was key to seeing that stuff this week and not seeing it in previous weeks.

As you so dutifully noted.


I will say this though... I've never seen our O-line or any for that matter play the way they did yesterday...

You right, it does all fall to the coach.


All that falls directly at the feet of the coach/coaching staff...

And as you say here, the players could (in the previous games) do a better job.


Yes, the players could do a better job as well... but it's coaching them and putting them in the position to be successful and knowing your roster and playing to their strengths...


But don't you think they were put in the right place and the only reason why you believe the coaches did a better job this week is because the players did execute the best they have had this year?


So yes, i agree Chilly is getting better.. but only out of necessity...
He made changes yesterday that people have been calling for all year... so what does that mean...
stubborn, naive, stupid,??? not sure.. but for some of us, just plain common sense!!!


Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the coaches aren't out there making the players do things that aren't to thier strengths.
You do realize that all of the players are on this team cause thier talents fit the scheme.

To contend that the staff is forcing them to do anything but what thier strenght/talent is just to hard for me to comprehend.






Marrdro,


Your way out of controll, did you sneek some beast into work in your lunch box again?..... ;)

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 02:33 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:







Marrdro,



Your way out of controll, did you sneek some beast into work in your lunch box again?..... ;)

Naw my friend.
Just bored.
Gonna be slow at work until after new years.
;D

He actually had a few good points but couldn't let the contridictions slide.

Purple D
11-05-2007, 02:43 PM
Marrdro,

You always put in a good post and I feel like you always put your best effort forward and put thought behind your replies and you back up your statements.
It is a pleasure to read your posts.

Marrdro
11-05-2007, 03:02 PM
"Purple" wrote:


Marrdro,

You always put in a good post and I feel like you always put your best effort forward and put thought behind your replies and you back up your statements.

It is a pleasure to read your posts.

Thank you my friend.
That is a very nice compliment.

Sometimes my personality (its like a bent shit can) and sense of humor (I have none) causes them to comes off a bit wrong, however, trust me, I never mean any harm to the points I am addressing.

Sometimes I even have to go back and look to see who the poster was.
;D

bigbadragz
11-05-2007, 04:26 PM
"MinnesotaFury" wrote:


As much as the team must have been down after that kick return to end the half, he must have really said something at halftime, because in the second half, our defense didn't let up, and our offense seemed to just roll.
It may have looked like the Adrian show out there but it really was a fine example of using the run to work the pass as well as just a great example of how to execute primary run blocking as well as downfield blocking.

I'll give Childress his due, but I'm not going to be claiming him as a genius until I see a playoff birth, whether that be this year or next.
Hhaha, playoffs...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jdUr5hF0yGc

trust me, it had nothing to do with his pep talk.
it had to do with petersen busting off a 60 yard td on a 3rd and 3 to start the 2nd half.
i mean bollinger looked good, but he threw for 95 yards, 40 of which came on one pass, for over 2 quarters.
so the question i'm asking is, can we only win if petersen runs for 200 yards?
i wanna get excited but watching philly get humiliated at home after we let them come into our house and beat us makes me think we are capable of reverting to the bad vikes when petersen is not igniting us.
we have been talking about the passing game for 2 years now, they have to utilize the rices, shanks, otherwise petersen will either win it or be taken away.
that simple

NordicNed
11-05-2007, 04:34 PM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"MinnesotaFury" wrote:


As much as the team must have been down after that kick return to end the half, he must have really said something at halftime, because in the second half, our defense didn't let up, and our offense seemed to just roll.
It may have looked like the Adrian show out there but it really was a fine example of using the run to work the pass as well as just a great example of how to execute primary run blocking as well as downfield blocking.

I'll give Childress his due, but I'm not going to be claiming him as a genius until I see a playoff birth, whether that be this year or next.
Hhaha, playoffs...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jdUr5hF0yGc

trust me, it had nothing to do with his pep talk.
it had to do with petersen busting off a 60 yard td on a 3rd and 3 to start the 2nd half.
i mean bollinger looked good, but he threw for 95 yards, 40 of which came on one pass, for over 2 quarters.
so the question i'm asking is, can we only win if petersen runs for 200 yards?
i wanna get excited but watching philly get humiliated at home after we let them come into our house and beat us makes me think we are capable of reverting to the bad vikes when petersen is not igniting us.
we have been talking about the passing game for 2 years now, they have to utilize the rices, shanks, otherwise petersen will either win it or be taken away.
that simple








Lets not over look the fact that Peterson also makes the players play with alot more energy and fires up the whole team....At least this is what I'm seeing.....Rice, Shanko, CT, the line, BB. almost every player on the team stepped up yesterday and played their best games to date.
And I believe AD is behind alot of this.
Not only is he a great individual player, but he's a great team player.
I loved how he went well
out of his way to be the first to greet CT on the sidelines, after CT's toucdown drive and run into the endzone....Now thats really classy for such a young player....And I'm sure it made CT's and AD's relationship as team players even stronger.....







We are only a few steps away from being a very scary team........A true Black and Blue, beat you into the ground type of team....








The future can sure look bright after a game like yesterdays.......Thats for sure...

bleedpurple
11-05-2007, 04:44 PM
WOW... Where to start..!!
Actually with all due respect..!!
Your hilarious!! because obviously some of your points were a bit ridiculous and seemed to be overzealous psychotyping babel.... but i can respect that... some people like to type just to see themselves type.. but i'll respect you and just comment... bc for the most part we usually agree with one another...
but u totally reached on a lot of these... here goes...




Wow.
Were to start.

Contradictions.


But Lord know's we should have had a vet QB and try to atleast trade for a competent option at WR... Heck, the chargers got Chambers for a second round pick... We could have done something similar... going into the season as Bwade as a #1 or 2 option is insane...

Rice is the best receiver we have.. experienced or not.. if your gonna go with TJ, then why not give Rice more clock.. He's been open down the sideline quite a few times.. and they've just missed him...
the only other guy to get behind the defense like he does is twill...



What QB?
Garcia.
Probably the only one that fit the scheme.
Or are you thinking they bring in a Vet and change the scheme to his strenghts when all the other team is brought in cause the compliment the WCO?

No, i'm thinking bring in a competant QB whether it be Garcia or trade for a decent back-up or what!!!,... don't have to change the scheme, but you could atleast have gotten a vet on this roster that could hold down the forte or show some competantcy throwing the ball... We could possibly be a playoff team if we did..
While i don't mind the TJ experiment, this clearly should have been done if we wanted to compete for the playoffs this year.. esp. with the o-line and rb's we have..


Go get a Vet WR but also let the Rookie play.
How do you propose he does that and have all the DL, RB, and TE's etc etc etc on the field at the same time.
Please give me a list of the 53 men (just put FA WR X in that spot) roster that you think we should have.

Prime example of being picky.. but to your defense, maybe i didn't make myself clear..

Surely, by the laws of averages, this could be done... but what i meant or should have stated more clearly.. is that we should have gotten an vet WR... obviously.. however, in the absense of one, we should be playing Rice more.. that simple...

Singer will get me on this one, however.....


but that doesn't change the fact that Memo should have been retuning punts all along... (it took him awhile to get going but clearly he's better than wade is back there..)



He actually had one good return yesterday and muffed at least 2 that left us in pretty tough field position.
Not good when you have a young QB.
Hell even the dumb announcers knew that much.

::)
At least B-wade caught (almost) every ball kicked to him without it taking bad rolls in favor of the kicking team

Anyway, go back a couple of weeks and tell me who you take off the roster to have Memo on it just to field punts?
Again, it gets back to a numbers game and that gol 'darnit rule the NFL has that states you can only have 53 man roster.

Ok, what games have you been watching.. are you gonna tell me wade is better than Memo back there...
you can't be serious!! or maybe you could be... I think that had more to do with directional punting than him not catching the ball or maybe he just needed to get comfortable back there.. either way... in one game he clearly is the better option back there... hands down!
even when he was on the roster.. with ctaylor out.. he should have been returning punts...
He's been active all games except like 2 or three.. but this is his first game returning punts... he did make one mistake.. but wade has made a few back there as well... If i had the active roster of 45 or so, then I'd tell you... but moore had been active the last few weeks.. once again.. a little nit-picky don't you think...

You ever wonder why Wes Welker is returning Punts for the Pats?
Its not because the Coach is hard headed my friend.
It is because of that 53 man rule again.


Ap should have been getting the bulk of the carries all along.. DUH!!!
Fans have been saying this for weeks now...
I'm not advocating giving him 30 carries a game week in and week out, but yes, 20-25 is about right...



1rst Week AD 19/CT 3, 2nd Week AD 20/Memo 3, 3rd Week AD 25/Memo 4, 4th Week AD 12/CT 8, 5th Week Bye, 6th Week AD 20/CT 22, 7th Week AD 12/CT 10, 8th Week AD 20/CT 6, 9th Week AD 30/CT 9.

Seems to me he has been getting the bulk of the carries
Whats your point?

dude are you serious???
ok, maybe bulk wasn't the right word...!!! perhaps i should have said MORE carries... i.e. he had yet to get 25 in a game this season...

but c'mon your splitting hairs.. you knew what i meant...
as i assume your the only one that knows football on here... Next time i'll analyze every little word and be sure to use a thesaurus...or however you spell it...

and then you said this??...



And then you come with this........



AP should have never been returning kickoffs... PERIOD!!!!


Another contridiction.
First you want him to have the brunt of the load, but you also want to limit his touches.
Doesn't make sense.

WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China??? increasing touches and saying he shouldn't be on special teams has nothing to do with one another..!!
when you look at good football and know that he is your best player.. Dag'on right you shouldn't have him back there...

HELLO!!! if he's returning kicks he can't be in the game for 1st and maybe 2nd down!!
then you don't play him on third.. so what does that do.....???? hmmmm????? decrease his offensive carries...!!
You don't make sense.. and again.. typing babel chatter.....!!!!


Hey, I know, you are worried about him getting hurt.
He, look at the other 53 man rosters.
Seems to me that at some point a starter/key player is on special teams.
Just so happens that KO returns are nothing like PR when it comes to injury.

Again, doesn't make sense to me that you have an issue here.
Possibly another contridiction or you are a bit confused on how the whole 53 man roster thing works.

I'd rather have someone else on offense back there than our most valuable player!! AND BY FAR!!!!
that's probably why your not a coach!!
and someone who knows football as much as you do. should know that the active game day roster is 45 not 53.... again... very silly to question me there...!!! shoot for goodness sake.. put any of our receivers back there... even c.Taylor but not AP... hell, as far as kickoff's and players getting hurt.. yu must have forgotten about BJ sams for b-more the last two years.. but that's beside the point.. its just too risky!! or would you have put him back there??
maybe in madden!!!


our o-line playing as a unit is good..
like in Chicago.. but then what happened the next few weeks.. duds...

if the coaching staff had them playing more consistent or like that all year.. who knows where we'd be.??



Not sure what you are getting at with this one.
Are you saying the coaches need to get on the field and help out?

Thats not gonna happen.
Coaches coach and players play.
Give both of them credit this week.
The coaches rolled out the scheme and the players executed. Nothing more, nothing less.
Don't try to add to or take away.

No, I'm not saying coaches dont coach and players don't play.. but if your players are unprepared the coaches haven't done their job!
there has been a big difference in the line play in our wins and losses.. that's not taking any blame away from the players... but whether it be scheming play-calling or what... there's a big difference or lack of focus due to practice, schedule, travel.. i don't know, i'm not with them on a daily basis... but it's obvious to the plain eye there is a difference.. and alls i was saying is they needs to be more consistentcy!!! nothing more ... nothing less...


Why did Brad take this job..? he said they had the most talent of all the teams needing coaches that year.. SO what did he do..? take a mediocre team, get rid of a few players and we were a worse team.. "on the field" that is...

I like how we're drafting and the talent we have on offense..
Additionally, yes, we saw them play well for the 2nd time this season... pretty much on all sides of the ball..



Possibly another contridiction here.
First you say you don't understand why he is getting rid of mediocler players but you like who they are drafting.

Again, back to the whole 53 man roster.
Who would have you kept and which of the 2006 and 2007 draft class would have you left off the roster?

Can't have it both ways my friend.
You still need to stay at 53.
Wait, wait, wait, maybe he could have had a few of them slip through waivers and then get them on the practice squad.

gol 'darnit, that doesn't happen either.
You draft good guys and try that, what happens, other teams that didn't have such great drafts snatch them up.

again!!! you misinterpreted me again.. here my fello friend!! surprise surprise!!!!
(glad you said possibly because u were right) Re-read the post.. did i ever say i didn't understand why he is getting rid of mediocre players.. i was saying while i like the talent we've drafted.. all i was saying is he took a mediocre football team and made it worse!!
Especially on offense... maybe there could have been a transition period or what!! i don't know... but the fact remains TIce had a better record... I was questioning how he took a 9-7 or 8-8 team and turned them into a 6-10 team or more importantly until last week, was something like 4-13 in his last 17 games... So what does that mean?
I wouldn't quite equate it to the Norv turner fiasco.. but quite a let-down!!!
while i see your point... of you can't have it both ways... I personally wouldn't have let burelson go.. nor would i have cut M. Rob right before Christmas.. I know culture.. yada yada yada.. but even winfield had a problem with what he was doing... and doesn't complain about anything.. he's the model vet and rolemodel... from what i've seen of him...



Again, quiet a quandry you have there.
if you say so...



Here comes another good one.
We have been blitzing quiet a bit or haven't you watched how EJ and Leber have been working.


I think (as I stated in another thread that you must have missed) that it had alot to do with the experience level of thier QB and that they had a Backup Center in there trying to make the line calls for the blitz.

Throw in the fact that they have added 2 more DL to the rotation (keeps everyone fresher) allowed us to bring more heat at the end of the game.
Back to that ole 53 man roster limitation again.


As for the defense... scheme wise... i think we did blitz more and played tighter coverage this game than in any game all season.... Whether the guys stepped up bc Winfield was gone.. maybe.. but this should have been done awhile ago... mixing it up and what not... disguising blitzes etc... granted they're receivers are somewhat suspect like ours are.. but the secondary we have can play man coverage.. and they should have been agressive like this more often... given the non-existent consistent pass rush the last 6 games...


yes, that's all true.. but we blitzes alot more.. played better man coverage and disguised the blitz more and even played a little 3-4... would def. call that a change...


It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know some of these things... I'm sorry but the coaches should have figured this out months ago...
Your right, it isn't brain surgery.
I am sure your 53 man roster will clear it up for me.

Here is another great piece.


On offense... people have been saying get AP the ball.. have him run routes.. I don't necessarily want to see him spread out in the slot or any thing.. but our second longest pass play this year came in the first game on a swing pass to AP and that has yet to be used other than then, or if i am missing something.. not enough...

We still haven't utilized enough screens.. this season.. which would probably come in handy on third and long... esp. when teams blitz us...

So while I can't speak for everybody on here.. the play calling and putting in different wrinkles etc./ getting playmakers the ball etc. should have been done a long time ago...

Everyone knows the scheme works, as evidenced by the VIkings with Bud Grant, 49ers with Bill Walsh, Green Bay with Holmegran and Andy Reid with the eagles to name a few....



Do you think that just maybe they really didn't do anything different this week other than execute enough to get into the playbook a little further?


Well, don't you think if your offense aint working you would skip to page 5 of the playbook rather than run left, run right into a blitz that's on page 3...
I don't think doing the same ole stuff is gonna work when our offense isnt doing anything... i.e. switch it up... the definition of insanity is doing the same ole thing expecting different results...


Seems to me that because of the fantastic OL play things just went alot better when it came to what could be done with the ball.

Great blocking up front allows for TE's to run routes, allows for RB's to chip and then get out into the secondary for those play actions, it allows for the blockers to hold long enough to run the screen.

I've been on the OL all year (since week 2) and believe me when I tell you, the OL play was key to seeing that stuff this week and not seeing it in previous weeks.

As you so dutifully noted.

i agree but that doesn't have anything to do with us not running screens or throwing to ap out the backfield and in space...
nothing at all... if run right /run left aint working.. try something else... Do you honestly think Belichek, Mike Martz, Shannahan, tom Moore, would have done the same thing if their offense was non existent...?
i doubt it...


I will say this though... I've never seen our O-line or any for that matter play the way they did yesterday...


You right, it does all fall to the coach.


All that falls directly at the feet of the coach/coaching staff...

And as you say here, the players could (in the previous games) do a better job.


Yes, the players could do a better job as well... but it's coaching them and putting them in the position to be successful and knowing your roster and playing to their strengths...


But don't you think they were put in the right place and the only reason why you believe the coaches did a better job this week is because the players did execute the best they have had this year?


So yes, i agree Chilly is getting better.. but only out of necessity...
He made changes yesterday that people have been calling for all year... so what does that mean...
stubborn, naive, stupid,??? not sure.. but for some of us, just plain common sense!!!



Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the coaches aren't out there making the players do things that aren't to thier strengths.
You do realize that all of the players are on this team cause thier talents fit the scheme.

To contend that the staff is forcing them to do anything but what thier strenght/talent is just to hard for me to comprehend.


I agree and i wasn't taking the blame away from the players... but i can't be so sure as to say that it doesn't go hand in hand... i.e. same Chargers team/ same scheme.. different coaches.. different results...

I totally understand and agree that coaches don't play.. they coach...
but sometimes, as we've seen a million times... some of the plays that the coaches called or whether they were teaching it right or what... but to say that some of the blame doesn't fall to them as well is just assinine!!! and you know that!!!
During the week you practice a game plan.. etc.. and whether our coaches weren't attacking the defense right or schemes, or play calling.. implementation, what have you... the coaches are supposed to get players ready to play... and it's taken time... I've never blamed the coaches for TJ missing wide open receivers... EVER!!!

but i would fault the coaches for putting b.wade on punt returns, ap on kickoffs... trying to split carries evenly between the running backs, not screening, calling playaction, or being more creative in the playcalling or gettin players in position to be successful... or GOD KNOWS what else!!!
that's all i'm saying...










Marrdro,



Your way out of controll, did you sneek some beast into work in your lunch box again?..... ;)


So with that said.. NO, offense to you Homey!! (marrdro)!!! i enjoy reading your posts.. and we'll continue to go at it in the future... But you definately took alot of that stuff outta context... Maybe i should be more clear.. as i didn't re-read it.. but at the same time... some that stuff was way off base and appeared Over-zealous!! in my opinion...

Vikes_King
11-05-2007, 04:45 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


"MinnesotaFury" wrote:


As much as the team must have been down after that kick return to end the half, he must have really said something at halftime, because in the second half, our defense didn't let up, and our offense seemed to just roll.
It may have looked like the Adrian show out there but it really was a fine example of using the run to work the pass as well as just a great example of how to execute primary run blocking as well as downfield blocking.

I'll give Childress his due, but I'm not going to be claiming him as a genius until I see a playoff birth, whether that be this year or next.
Hhaha, playoffs...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jdUr5hF0yGc

trust me, it had nothing to do with his pep talk.
it had to do with petersen busting off a 60 yard td on a 3rd and 3 to start the 2nd half.
i mean bollinger looked good, but he threw for 95 yards, 40 of which came on one pass, for over 2 quarters.
so the question i'm asking is, can we only win if petersen runs for 200 yards?
i wanna get excited but watching philly get humiliated at home after we let them come into our house and beat us makes me think we are capable of reverting to the bad vikes when petersen is not igniting us.
we have been talking about the passing game for 2 years now, they have to utilize the rices, shanks, otherwise petersen will either win it or be taken away.
that simple








Lets not over look the fact that Peterson also makes the players play with alot more energy and fires up the whole team....At least this is what I'm seeing.....Rice, Shanko, CT, the line, BB. almost every player on the team stepped up yesterday and played their best games to date.

And I believe AD is behind alot of this.
Not only is he a great individual player, but he's a great team player.
I loved how he went well
out of his way to be the first to greet CT on the sidelines, after CT's toucdown drive and run into the endzone....Now thats really classy for such a young player....And I'm sure it made CT's and AD's relationship as team players even stronger.....








We are only a few steps away from being a very scary team........A true Black and Blue, beat you into the ground type of team....








The future can sure look bright after a game like yesterdays.......Thats for sure...


oh man.. you have no idea lol.
after one of adrians touch downs, Robert Ferguson was litterally dancing as he left the field.
He came to the sidelines and was congratulating everyone on the sidelines.
After that, over the speakers they announced one of the records Peterson broke, and Ferguson gets in his face, hits him on the shoulders and gets even more pumped lol

Not too long after that when the defense took the field, after a good series by our D, Ferguson shoves Aundrae Allison from behind laughing (which caused Allison to spill his gatorade as he was taking a drink and knocked his helmet off his head lol), and the two joked around until our O took the field.

they were havin a great time when AP started lighting it up.. hell the 2nd half all 3 of our running backs were playing with a lot of intensity, AP CT & MeMo all made plays when given the shot

ultravikingfan
11-05-2007, 04:46 PM
"Purple" wrote:


Marrdro,

You always put in a good post and I feel like you always put your best effort forward and put thought behind your replies and you back up your statements.

It is a pleasure to read your posts.


How much did PayPal you to post that?
;D

V-Unit
11-05-2007, 07:11 PM
If Childress is a genius now, then I have been a football prodigy all season long.

bigbadragz
11-05-2007, 07:15 PM
"V" wrote:


If Childress is a genius now, then I have been a football prodigy all season long.

i know how you feel

APKurt
11-05-2007, 07:50 PM
"tcvike" wrote:


Once Bollinger entered the game you see the attitude of the vikings change they had an extra kick in there step. I would say the players would rather have him in there than TJ. If Childress continues to play Bollinger then maybe he started to figure it out. No team is afraid of TJ throwing against them and so they bring the extra man up to stop AD. I don't like Childress and regardless of the rest of the season he needs to go at the end.


THIS!

Bollinger completed a few passes, stretched the D a bit, ran the screen to perfection, and did a MUCH better job at selling the play action.
Once the D had to respect the passing game, AD had far more running room.

Plus, when you can't pass and the defence knows it, draw plays don't work.
Why Childress continues to run the draw in third and long is beyond me.

jessejames09
11-05-2007, 07:56 PM
No!! Childress isn't a genius now!!








He was a genius weeks ago :D.

Freya
11-05-2007, 08:06 PM
NO. But he did a pretty good imitation of one yesterday.

PurpleHornsOfDestruction
11-05-2007, 08:47 PM
"Vikes_King" wrote:


"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


Id say no.

Let's see. Time Management on the final drive of the half burning 40 seconds more then he needed to resulting in Longwell attempting a 58 yarder. Not too good. Having Taylor in too much at the goal line and not your best player causing a fumble. Not very good calls from what I saw. Just overcame by a great effort. They do too much run-run-run-run now run doesnt work so its 3rd in long and we pass-pass-pass until they stop that. No mixing it up. At many times they need to do play action. But hey we walked away with a W against a very dominent Charger football team so lets not look into the negatives huh. I'd just say Defense came to play.


most of your points im not going to argue since they're valid, but having taylor in too much at the goal line.. you cant put that as a negative point for childress.
#1 cuz its completely understandable why he did it, he was a productive back as the starter last year and its fair to give him a shot to get a TD here and there.
Plus taylor is plenty capable of pounding it in for 6, he's proven that.
And besides, did or did not the "best young player" (who i now have a massive man-crush on) also fumble in that game?


And besides, Taylor had what, 9 carries? Peterson had 30.
I think he got plenty of touches lol


True. My only implication was that it makes since to have your best player who is capable of pounding the ball on the feild at the goal line but I can't argue with you

C Mac D
11-05-2007, 08:52 PM
Fire Childress.

He's only seems like a good coach when AP has an amazing 200+ yard game... or if we play Joey Harrington.

Childress sucks. I don't care if we won yesterday or not. He is clueless. Get rid of him.

SKOL
11-05-2007, 09:04 PM
"Freya" wrote:


NO. But he did a pretty good imitation of one yesterday.


That is only because T-Jack got hurt.
;D
At least that's what I'm getting from most people's posts.
If T-Jack continued to play the Bolts would not have had to respect the pass, resulting in the field not being stretched for AD to run like he did.
My guess is that if Bollinger didn't enter the game it would have been close at the end and we would have lost.
jmho

C Mac D
11-05-2007, 09:14 PM
Childress is a douchebag. That's all.

SKOL
11-05-2007, 09:19 PM
"C" wrote:


Fire Childress.

He's only seems like a good coach when AP has an amazing 200+ yard game... or if we play Joey Harrington.

Childress sucks. I don't care if we won yesterday or not. He is clueless. Get rid of him.


"C" wrote:


Childress is a douchebag. That's all.


You have strong feelings on the subject C Mac D

;D

C Mac D
11-05-2007, 09:20 PM
"SKOL" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Fire Childress.

He's only seems like a good coach when AP has an amazing 200+ yard game... or if we play Joey Harrington.

Childress sucks. I don't care if we won yesterday or not. He is clueless. Get rid of him.


"C" wrote:


Childress is a douchebag. That's all.


You have strong feelings on the subject C Mac D
;D


Haha... what can I say... I calls it likes I sees it...

Zeus
11-05-2007, 10:19 PM
"C" wrote:


Fire Childress.

He's only seems like a good coach when AP has an amazing 200+ yard game... or if we play Joey Harrington.

Childress sucks. I don't care if we won yesterday or not. He is clueless. Get rid of him.


*snooze*

=Z=

VikingsMB
11-05-2007, 10:23 PM
"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


Id say no.

Let's see. Time Management on the final drive of the half burning 40 seconds more then he needed to resulting in Longwell attempting a 58 yarder. Not too good. Having Taylor in too much at the goal line and not your best player causing a fumble. Not very good calls from what I saw. Just overcame by a great effort. They do too much run-run-run-run now run doesnt work so its 3rd in long and we pass-pass-pass until they stop that. No mixing it up. At many times they need to do play action. But hey we walked away with a W against a very dominent Charger football team so lets not look into the negatives huh. I'd just say Defense came to play.


most of your points im not going to argue since they're valid, but having taylor in too much at the goal line.. you cant put that as a negative point for childress.
#1 cuz its completely understandable why he did it, he was a productive back as the starter last year and its fair to give him a shot to get a TD here and there.
Plus taylor is plenty capable of pounding it in for 6, he's proven that.
And besides, did or did not the "best young player" (who i now have a massive man-crush on) also fumble in that game?


And besides, Taylor had what, 9 carries? Peterson had 30.
I think he got plenty of touches lol


True. My only implication was that it makes since to have your best player who is capable of pounding the ball on the feild at the goal line but I can't argue with you


Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you
have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.

VikingsMB
11-05-2007, 10:24 PM
"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


"Vikes_King" wrote:


"PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:


Id say no.

Let's see. Time Management on the final drive of the half burning 40 seconds more then he needed to resulting in Longwell attempting a 58 yarder. Not too good. Having Taylor in too much at the goal line and not your best player causing a fumble. Not very good calls from what I saw. Just overcame by a great effort. They do too much run-run-run-run now run doesnt work so its 3rd in long and we pass-pass-pass until they stop that. No mixing it up. At many times they need to do play action. But hey we walked away with a W against a very dominent Charger football team so lets not look into the negatives huh. I'd just say Defense came to play.


most of your points im not going to argue since they're valid, but having taylor in too much at the goal line.. you cant put that as a negative point for childress.
#1 cuz its completely understandable why he did it, he was a productive back as the starter last year and its fair to give him a shot to get a TD here and there.
Plus taylor is plenty capable of pounding it in for 6, he's proven that.
And besides, did or did not the "best young player" (who i now have a massive man-crush on) also fumble in that game?


And besides, Taylor had what, 9 carries? Peterson had 30.
I think he got plenty of touches lol


True. My only implication was that it makes since to have your best player who is capable of pounding the ball on the feild at the goal line but I can't argue with you


Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you
have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.

SKOL
11-05-2007, 10:27 PM
You can say that again.

singersp
11-05-2007, 10:30 PM
"VikingsMB" wrote:



Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.

NordicNed
11-05-2007, 10:36 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"VikingsMB" wrote:



Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....

singersp
11-05-2007, 10:37 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"VikingsMB" wrote:



Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep

NordicNed
11-05-2007, 10:47 PM
I have no clue where to find states laid out by each half of the game..




But we know he had 30 rushes, and I'de like to take a wild guess and say he rushed
about the same amount in both halfs..... 13 in the first half,.....17 in the second...

Zeus
11-05-2007, 10:48 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"VikingsMB" wrote:



Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=

Jereamiah
11-05-2007, 10:48 PM
If Childress just keeps running A.D. behind Herrera, He has my vote for the Einstien award! OH YA!
Also, #40 sprung A.D. on that right side run (working off of #64's perfect lock-out block) ;D

VikingsMB
11-05-2007, 10:51 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


I have no clue where to find states laid out by each half of the game..




But we know he had 30 rushes, and I'de like to take a wild guess and say he rushed
about the same amount in both halfs..... 13 in the first half,.....17 in the second...



It seemed like AP got the ball a lot more in the second half. But surely we digress.
Childress IS a genius.

bigbadragz
11-05-2007, 11:10 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"VikingsMB" wrote:



Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.

if i recall correctly, in a game jackson finished AD did the same shit in the 2nd half and we dropped 30 points on the bears.
anyone who actually believes bollinger entered the game and then san diego started worrying about the pass is a fucking moron.
like we were sending johnny unitas in there.
they came out blitzing right away, but like i've said in other posts, peterson took over.
bollinger helped making some nice throws, but the bottom line is peterson rushed for 250 in the 2nd half.
not to mention most of chesters yards coming in the 2nd half too.
i'm pretty sure half of the guys on this site could run an offense with a running game such as that.

Jereamiah
11-05-2007, 11:14 PM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"VikingsMB" wrote:



Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.

if i recall correctly, in a game jackson finished AD did the same pooh in the 2nd half and we dropped 30 points on the bears.
anyone who actually believes bollinger entered the game and then san diego started worrying about the pass is a fricken silly guy.
like we were sending johnny unitas in there.
they came out blitzing right away, but like i've said in other posts, peterson took over.
bollinger helped making some nice throws, but the bottom line is peterson rushed for 250 in the 2nd half.
not to mention most of chesters yards coming in the 2nd half too.
i'm pretty sure half of the guys on this site could run an offense with a running game such as that.

I don't think so!

http://www.purplepride.org/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/herrera.jpg (http://www.purplepride.org/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/herrera.jpg)

Jereamiah
11-05-2007, 11:20 PM
That was an "I don't think so" to 1/2 the guys on this site running the offense well with A.D. backing us up. Look how well Holcomb did. Nice how I got Herrera into that post eh? ;D

bigbadragz
11-05-2007, 11:33 PM
"Jereamiah" wrote:


That was an "I don't think so" to 1/2 the guys on this site running the offense well with A.D. backing us up. Look how well Holcomb did. Nice how I got Herrera into that post eh? ;D

well not that i'm defending holcomb but AD didn't rush for 250 in any of the games he played.
but i think you understand my point.
lets not start crowning bollinger our savior when we all now damn well peterson was the difference in games we've won this year, including atlanta

Jereamiah
11-05-2007, 11:50 PM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Jereamiah" wrote:


That was an "I don't think so" to 1/2 the guys on this site running the offense well with A.D. backing us up. Look how well Holcomb did. Nice how I got Herrera into that post eh? ;D

well not that i'm defending holcomb but AD didn't rush for 250 in any of the games he played.
but i think you understand my point.
lets not start crowning bollinger our savior when we all now gol 'darnit well peterson was the difference in games we've won this year, including atlanta
I'm not crowning anyone (with the exception of Herrera)
;D
as our savior. B-squared came in and added spark when we needed it. He was ACCURATE when we needed it. But this isn't the "start Bollinger" thread. I merely wish to praise Childress for running A.D. behind the right side, Herrera, and Flyin-saucer. The best right side in football!

VikingsMB
11-05-2007, 11:52 PM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Jereamiah" wrote:


That was an "I don't think so" to 1/2 the guys on this site running the offense well with A.D. backing us up. Look how well Holcomb did. Nice how I got Herrera into that post eh? ;D

well not that i'm defending holcomb but AD didn't rush for 250 in any of the games he played.
but i think you understand my point.
lets not start crowning bollinger our savior when we all now gol 'darnit well peterson was the difference in games we've won this year, including atlanta


Bollinger as a savior. No.
Our best shot at winning now (as Childress claims he is playing for).
Apparently.
BB opens up the game in the air.
He was rifling in some tight throws to Shianco (Past the 1st down marker...that's novel!)
while still executing the simple hand offs to CT and AP.
He is that "average" quarterback that the Vikings need at this point.
While many are still hoping the Vikings will start playing for a draft pick, there are a lot of us that would still like to see a playoff game again.
Heck, we went 2-8 down the stretch last year, what is stopping us from going 8-2 down the stretch this year (alright, besides Childress).

mountainviking
11-05-2007, 11:59 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That pooh doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than pooh.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


All right, I didn't see that DE jump either...you got me there.
As for order, WTF?
OOOOOO, So Sorry I didn't take the time to tivo up the exact plays, but the point is, Two bad plays to start doesn't exactly tell me the team has loads of confidence in BB...recall that 3rd preseason game and how BB looked?
How about that Detroit loss?
As for line execution, yup, called that one, its in bold above.
As for the fans, like others, I calls them as I sees them, and right about now, I'm a bit disappointed in some of our fan base...not just on PPO, but more importantly, the lack of cheering I'm hearing from the Dome.
If the only thing fools have to say is, "Fire Childress," with no support whatsoever, I'd rather not have their posts in the mix.
Who the hell do they think is going to take over mid season???
Bevell?
Frazier?
For better or worse, we've got him for at least this year, may as well root for your team!

I'm not here to piss anyone off...even though others sometimes get me fired up!
I read all the posts in a thread I participate in and am open to seeing things from another angle if it is presented...I've learned a lot about football here.
I'm just sick of empty posts by those who refuse to see the bigger picture.


Furthermore, I hold these truths to be self evident:
1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year.

2.
Superbowl teams are not built over night, nor in 1.5 years.

3.
There is a ton of young potential on this team, but it takes time to develop and get it all working together.

4.
QB is our weakest link, all three are questionable at best, but I have yet to hear a legitimate name who was available this off season.

Jereamiah
11-06-2007, 12:05 AM
"mountainviking" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That pooh doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than pooh.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.

On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


All right, I didn't see that DE jump either...you got me there.
As for order, WTF?
OOOOOO, So Sorry I didn't take the time to tivo up the exact plays, but the point is, Two bad plays to start doesn't exactly tell me the team has loads of confidence in BB...recall that 3rd preseason game and how BB looked?
How about that Detroit loss?
As for line execution, yup, called that one, its in bold above.
As for the fans, like others, I calls them as I sees them, and right about now, I'm a bit disappointed in some of our fan base...not just on PPO, but more importantly, the lack of cheering I'm hearing from the Dome.
If the only thing fools have to say is, "Fire Childress," with no support whatsoever, I'd rather not have their posts in the mix.
Who the hell do they think is going to take over mid season???
Bevell?
Frazier?
For better or worse, we've got him for at least this year, may as well root for your team!

I'm not here to piss anyone off...even though others sometimes get me fired up!
I read all the posts in a thread I participate in and am open to seeing things from another angle if it is presented...I've learned a lot about football here.
I'm just sick of empty posts by those who refuse to see the bigger picture.


Furthermore, I hold these truths to be self evident:
1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year.

2.
Superbowl teams are not built over night, nor in 1.5 years.

3.
There is a ton of young potential on this team, but it takes time to develop and get it all working together.

4.
QB is our weakest link, all three are questionable at best, but I have yet to hear a legitimate name who was available this off season.
Whoa dude. That sack was not Herrera's fault. It was cook,s fault. Even if it was Herrera's fault, It was still Cook's fault. By DE-FAULT. Cook just being there ruined it for everyone. You can't seriously blame Herrera for that sack? Can you? ???
;D

Jereamiah
11-06-2007, 12:22 AM
Denny Green is a genius. He found a way to make it on a Coors-light commercial. (VIA the Bears loss) you know, "CROWN 'em, CROWN 'EM!!) Belichek is a genius. He finds ways to cheat, I mean win, when everyone is looking for it. Matt Millen is a genius. He has come up with a master plan to deplete the league of recievers (see last few drafts), thus robbing everyone else of a pass catcher, and Jerry Jones is a genius (restructuring his face so as to pass for 25 and get all the chicks.) Childress is not a genius. Just a good coach doing the best with what he has!

Potus2028
11-06-2007, 12:35 AM
Furthermore, I hold these truths to be self evident:
1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year

Really? you think so?

What is the defensive weakness? Pass D... So the pass D mistakes are player mistakes, not coaching mistakes? lets analyze...

So this has been proven for the first 7 of our games. In between week 7-8 our roster did not change. BUT, this week the pass defensive stepped up! NO PASSING TD'S! The change must have been scheming. Tis also means that the players were not making mistakes, but that the coaches finally figured out what to do...

psh.. It's been the coaching staff figuring out how to use our players.

bigbadragz
11-06-2007, 01:26 AM
"mountainviking" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That pooh doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than pooh.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


All right, I didn't see that DE jump either...you got me there.
As for order, WTF?
OOOOOO, So Sorry I didn't take the time to tivo up the exact plays, but the point is, Two bad plays to start doesn't exactly tell me the team has loads of confidence in BB...recall that 3rd preseason game and how BB looked?
How about that Detroit loss?
As for line execution, yup, called that one, its in bold above.
As for the fans, like others, I calls them as I sees them, and right about now, I'm a bit disappointed in some of our fan base...not just on PPO, but more importantly, the lack of cheering I'm hearing from the Dome.
If the only thing fools have to say is, "Fire Childress," with no support whatsoever, I'd rather not have their posts in the mix.
Who the hell do they think is going to take over mid season???
Bevell?
Frazier?
For better or worse, we've got him for at least this year, may as well root for your team!

I'm not here to piss anyone off...even though others sometimes get me fired up!
I read all the posts in a thread I participate in and am open to seeing things from another angle if it is presented...I've learned a lot about football here.
I'm just sick of empty posts by those who refuse to see the bigger picture.


Furthermore, I hold these truths to be self evident:
1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year.

2.
Superbowl teams are not built over night, nor in 1.5 years.

3.
There is a ton of young potential on this team, but it takes time to develop and get it all working together.

4.
QB is our weakest link, all three are questionable at best, but I have yet to hear a legitimate name who was available this off season.

i'm not asking for childress's head, i just wanna see improvement.
and i dont mean getting wins when adrian peterson rushes for 250 yards.
everyone loves to talk up vince young, but he's basically been mediocre at best, and ends up throwing for 130 like every week but is somehow sitting at 6-2.
now there defense has played well, as has ours, and they have a solid runnin game, but no peterson, plus they play in the afc.
so why is it we are 3-5 and they are 6-2?
simple answer, coaching.
everyone talks about talent, and this and that, but look around the nfc, who is so abundantly more talented?
on both sides of the ball we have underachieved thus far, and not cuz i expect our offense to be phenominal, but where we show some semblance of a passing game where wrs catch passes and offensive lineman block.

ultravikingfan
11-06-2007, 04:36 AM
"Jereamiah" wrote:


Whoa dude. That sack was not Herrera's fault. It was cook,s fault. Even if it was Herrera's fault, It was still Cook's fault. By DE-FAULT. Cook just being there ruined it for everyone. You can't seriously blame Herrera for that sack? Can you? ???
;D


Watch it again.
#64 Blows it!
Cook is the RT.
Herrera is the RG and the RDT gets the sack, #93.

Please check yourself.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/th_Brooks.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/?action=view&current=Brooks.flv)

Caine
11-06-2007, 05:18 AM
Yup.
Video clearly shows Herrera getting beat bad...and Brooks paying for it.
As for the missed snap, I didn't blame Bollinger either since I saw what you saw - Defense jumped, Birk fired.
Good play on Birk's part, too bad Brooks missed it.

I would, however, like to comment on these "self evident truths".

1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year.


Who brought these players in?
Whose job is it to prepare them for the games?


2.
Superbowl teams are not built over night, nor in 1.5 years.


Hmmm...Lovie Smith took the Bears from the cellar to the Superbowl in 3.
He took a 7-9 team over and went 6-10 his first year.
He then proceeded to go 11-5 in his second season, and 13-3 in his third...and lost in the Superbowl.

Mike McCarthy took a 4-12 team and went 8-8 in his first season.
He is now 7-1 and his team is considered by some (morons) to be one of the better teams in the NFC.

Rod Marinelli took over a 5-11 team, went 3-13 in his first season, and is now 6-2 and making a serious run at the play-offs.

Brad Childress took a 9-7 team and went 6-10 in HIS first season as well.
He's now 3-5 at the halfway point of his second season.
To keep on Lovie's pace, the Vikes have to win out.

The point here is that coaches in similar situations are showing more progress towards success...and most of them started off with worse situations.

3.
There is a ton of young potential on this team, but it takes time to develop and get it all working together.


No one doubts that there is a bunch of young potential, and no one says that time isn't required...the question is, "How MUCH time".
When the only progress visible to fans is the fact that Adrian Peterson is carving up the league, many are questioning whether Brad Childress is really the right guy for the job.
After all, if my game plan is "Run AP until the Defense dies", and that's ALL I've got, am I the right guy?
Childress has had two opportunities to alter the makeup of this team to fit his scheme.
And, so far, all we've seen from the entire rest of the offense is....nada.
So, what does that say about Childress' scheme....or his player selection?


4.
QB is our weakest link, all three are questionable at best, but I have yet to hear a legitimate name who was available this off season.

As far as the Vikes were concerned, there wasn't one...because Childress was/is CONVINCED that Tarvaris Jackson is "The Man"...even though almost everyone else in the entire world thinks otherwise.
Realistically, we had a shot to get Garcia - he would have been a good fit.
Schaub and Carr were considered by some here (Myself included) to be good candidates - who knew that both would fold up.
Of course, both of them would probably be doing just as well as Jackson or Holcomb have done to date here had we taken them....and they might be doing better.

So, QB is our weakest link because our Head Coach is adamant about continuing the Jackson Experiment, not because there weren't other opportunities out there.
Childress doesn't WANT to bring a good QB in because in doing so he has to admit he was WRONG about Jackson, WRONG about trading up to take him (about 3 rounds before he would have gone), WRONG about starting him now, WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Because once he opens that door, other decisions he's made start getting called into question....like signing Wade to a big money deal, like signing Shiancoe to big money, like not using Wiggins at all last season, like not using Peterson in the second half against Green Bay, like....oh, you get the idea.


Finally, no one with 2 active brain cells is saying we should fire Childress NOW...not really.
There's no one to replace him, and the gesture would be pointless.
What we ARE saying is that unless we see a DRASTIC improvement in the level of play of everyone who isn't named Adrian Peterson, the decision to "move in a different direction" is one we would like to have seriously considered at the earliest possible moment at the end of the season.


In short, if your name is Brad Childress, you either start winning or start packing.

Caine

singersp
11-06-2007, 06:40 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"VikingsMB" wrote:



Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-









M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 08:15 AM
"mountainviking" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That pooh doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than pooh.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


All right, I didn't see that DE jump either...you got me there.
As for order, WTF?
OOOOOO, So Sorry I didn't take the time to tivo up the exact plays, but the point is, Two bad plays to start doesn't exactly tell me the team has loads of confidence in BB...recall that 3rd preseason game and how BB looked?
How about that Detroit loss?
As for line execution, yup, called that one, its in bold above.
As for the fans, like others, I calls them as I sees them, and right about now, I'm a bit disappointed in some of our fan base...not just on PPO, but more importantly, the lack of cheering I'm hearing from the Dome.
If the only thing fools have to say is, "Fire Childress," with no support whatsoever, I'd rather not have their posts in the mix.
Who the hell do they think is going to take over mid season???
Bevell?
Frazier?
For better or worse, we've got him for at least this year, may as well root for your team!

I'm not here to piss anyone off...even though others sometimes get me fired up!
I read all the posts in a thread I participate in and am open to seeing things from another angle if it is presented...I've learned a lot about football here.
I'm just sick of empty posts by those who refuse to see the bigger picture.


Furthermore, I hold these truths to be self evident:
1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year.

2.
Superbowl teams are not built over night, nor in 1.5 years.

3.
There is a ton of young potential on this team, but it takes time to develop and get it all working together.

4.
QB is our weakest link, all three are questionable at best, but I have yet to hear a legitimate name who was available this off season.

For a mountain man you speak words of Wisdom.

One comment.
Remain calm in the storm of stupid posts and don't let the haters get your riled my friend.
They know no better.
;D

singersp
11-06-2007, 08:24 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That pooh doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than pooh.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


All right, I didn't see that DE jump either...you got me there.
As for order, WTF?
OOOOOO, So Sorry I didn't take the time to tivo up the exact plays, but the point is, Two bad plays to start doesn't exactly tell me the team has loads of confidence in BB...recall that 3rd preseason game and how BB looked?
How about that Detroit loss?
As for line execution, yup, called that one, its in bold above.
As for the fans, like others, I calls them as I sees them, and right about now, I'm a bit disappointed in some of our fan base...not just on PPO, but more importantly, the lack of cheering I'm hearing from the Dome.
If the only thing fools have to say is, "Fire Childress," with no support whatsoever, I'd rather not have their posts in the mix.
Who the hell do they think is going to take over mid season???
Bevell?
Frazier?
For better or worse, we've got him for at least this year, may as well root for your team!

I'm not here to piss anyone off...even though others sometimes get me fired up!
I read all the posts in a thread I participate in and am open to seeing things from another angle if it is presented...I've learned a lot about football here.
I'm just sick of empty posts by those who refuse to see the bigger picture.


Furthermore, I hold these truths to be self evident:
1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year.

2.
Superbowl teams are not built over night, nor in 1.5 years.

3.
There is a ton of young potential on this team, but it takes time to develop and get it all working together.

4.
QB is our weakest link, all three are questionable at best, but I have yet to hear a legitimate name who was available this off season.

For a mountain man you speak words of Wisdom.

One comment.
Remain calm in the storm of stupid posts and don't let the haters get your riled my friend.
They know no better.

;D



There wasn't two bad plays in a row. On the second play as Ultra stated, the defender jumped and was offsides when Birk snapped it.

It was a heads up play by Birk, since at that point it is a free play. It was just unfortunate that he snapped it high & Brooks wasn't looking at the time.

Whether the center feels the QB is looking or not, whenever you have a free play opportunity like that, you snap the ball 100% of the time.

I doubt you'll find a single coach in the NFL that would disagree with that.

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 09:03 AM
I had to cut a bunch of stuff out.
Seems Webby has a 2000 character limit my friend.



WOW... Where to start..!!
Actually with all due respect..!!
Your hilarious!! because obviously some of your points were a bit ridiculous and seemed to be overzealous psychotyping babel.... but i can respect that... some people like to type just to see themselves type.. but i'll respect you and just comment... bc for the most part we usually agree with one another...
but u totally reached on a lot of these... here goes...

No, i'm thinking bring in a competant QB whether it be Garcia or trade for a decent back-up or what!!!,... don't have to change the scheme, but you could atleast have gotten a vet on this roster that could hold down the forte or show some competantcy throwing the ball... We could possibly be a playoff team if we did..
While i don't mind the TJ experiment, this clearly should have been done if we wanted to compete for the playoffs this year.. esp. with the o-line and rb's we have..

Ok, what games have you been watching.. are you gonna tell me wade is better than Memo back there...
you can't be serious!! or maybe you could be... I think that had more to do with directional punting than him not catching the ball or maybe he just needed to get comfortable back there.. either way... in one game he clearly is the better option back there... hands down!
even when he was on the roster.. with ctaylor out.. he should have been returning punts...
He's been active all games except like 2 or three.. but this is his first game returning punts... he did make one mistake.. but wade has made a few back there as well... If i had the active roster of 45 or so, then I'd tell you... but moore had been active the last few weeks.. once again.. a little nit-picky don't you think...

No, I'm not saying coaches dont coach and players don't play.. but if your players are unprepared the coaches haven't done their job!
there has been a big difference in the line play in our wins and losses.. that's not taking any blame away from the players... but whether it be scheming play-calling or what... there's a big difference or lack of focus due to practice, schedule, travel.. i don't know, i'm not with them on a daily basis... but it's obvious to the plain eye there is a difference.. and alls i was saying is they needs to be more consistentcy!!! nothing more ... nothing less...

yes, that's all true.. but we blitzes alot more.. played better man coverage and disguised the blitz more and even played a little 3-4... would def. call that a change...

Well, don't you think if your offense aint working you would skip to page 5 of the playbook rather than run left, run right into a blitz that's on page 3...
I don't think doing the same ole stuff is gonna work when our offense isnt doing anything... i.e. switch it up... the definition of insanity is doing the same ole thing expecting different results...

I agree and i wasn't taking the blame away from the players... but i can't be so sure as to say that it doesn't go hand in hand... i.e. same Chargers team/ same scheme.. different coaches.. different results...

I totally understand and agree that coaches don't play.. they coach...
but sometimes, as we've seen a million times... some of the plays that the coaches called or whether they were teaching it right or what... but to say that some of the blame doesn't fall to them as well is just assinine!!! and you know that!!!
During the week you practice a game plan.. etc.. and whether our coaches weren't attacking the defense right or schemes, or play calling.. implementation, what have you... the coaches are supposed to get players ready to play... and it's taken time... I've never blamed the coaches for TJ missing wide open receivers... EVER!!!

but i would fault the coaches for putting b.wade on punt returns, ap on kickoffs... trying to split carries evenly between the running backs, not screening, calling playaction, or being more creative in the playcalling or gettin players in position to be successful... or GOD KNOWS what else!!!
that's all i'm saying...

So with that said.. NO, offense to you Homey!! (marrdro)!!! i enjoy reading your posts.. and we'll continue to go at it in the future... But you definately took alot of that stuff outta context... Maybe i should be more clear.. as i didn't re-read it.. but at the same time... some that stuff was way off base and appeared Over-zealous!! in my opinion...

I love this pooh.
Nice post.

Couple of comments.
OK.
I'll give ya splitting hairs and semantics with words.
Hey you used em.
;D
Thanks for the clarifications.

Memo.
No I am not saying B-wade is better than Memo.
I am saying that he also had some bad playes Sunday and only one good one.
Secondly, He wasn't activated for several reasons (roster limitiations) as well as they were actively shopping him.
I am sure getting him hurt on a punt return would have muddied the waters if we had a deal set and then he got hurt.

Long story short, we aren't getting good PR for a reason and it has nothing to do with the guy catching the ball.
It has a hell of alot more to do with the guys blocking and how much time they are allowing him to catch the ball and get it upfield for yardage.
That my friend, needs to be fixed.


Hell, I started a thread on ST and Kickers during the Pre-season cause I thought we had issues.
Luckily some have been resolved, that one still hasn't.

IMHO ;D

As for the comment about how much more blitzing we did.

We didn't blitz any more or any less this week than we have in the past.
If you have the games taped, I don't, go back and watch what the coaching staff has been doing with EJ and Leber.
They have been hitting multiple gaps (Pre-snap) since week two in an effort to disguise the blitz and help the DL out.
Again, we didn't do anything different in that regard.
What we did do was increased the DL rotation (from what I could tell) so that our studs were fresher at the end of the game when we needed them most.
Phat Pat and K-will were in on almost every snap there at the end when we were trying to get at them with the 3-4.
Again, nothing new, we've seen it before, just the fresher legs helped in the actual execution of the scheme IMHO.

I hear ya on the whole QB issue, but to date, no one (with the possible exception of Garcia) would have fit the scheme nor have they shown any kind of promise on thier new teams that shows this staff (not just the Chiller) was wrong on passing on them.


Face it, QB depth in the NFL is a huge issue right now.
Look at how many backups are out there starting and look at how bad offenses are.
I still contend the organization (not just the Chiller) said eat it, develop the young guy, see what we have and we will move on next year at the QB position.
By the way, loosing Thigpen was a unexpected loss which I think will eventually hurt us.

I've asked this several times with no response.
Does any one in thier right mind believe that this Staff targeted TJ as thier prime number one QB in that draft?
History says no.
They target Cutler, then Clemens and settled for TJ cause he was (at that point) the only one that was left and there were serveral other teams looking at him during the scouting process.

I also believe that TJ isn't the Chillers first choice right now. That guy IMHO still isn't on the roster.
I still contend that the front office is driving that horse and carriage and not the coaching staff.
Remember this quote I was throwing around lately......


If they want me to make the dinner they should at least let me buy the groceries.

To contend that the Chiller is being hard headed and egotistical in wanting to go with TJ is just ludicrous.
Who in thier right mind would pretend that that is what is really going on here.
Hell just the way the draft unfolded, the firing of the architect behind that draft and the subsequent drafting of Thigpen and the never ending search for a Vet would lead any sane man to reason out that the coaching staff isn't happy with the grocieries that are part of the QB dinner.

As for you comments on getting a team ready.
Some great points on travel and routine.
I hadn't thought about that yet. Good stuff.


How about something that I have mentioned that might attribute a stellar performance this week vice a wholescale change in scheme, phylosopy and play calling.....


Maybe, just maybe, after facing a 3-4 scheme recently, the staff had a easier time getting them ready for SD?
Maybe just maybe the kids understood what the coaches were showing them in film study and on the field cause they had someting to equate that to.

Also, how about the fact that we faced a team last week that is having a few of the same problems we are having.....
Young QB that can get rattled easy, along with the fact that they had a C that struggled with pre-snap line calls.

Those two considerations....IMHO.....are why the scheme worked and why we were successfull this week.

The DL got pressure on the QB.
Mostly because of thier OL/C issues and thier QB could be rattled.
Take away his security blanket (run) and he was ripe for the picking.

The OL executed thier role almost to perfection allowing the O-coord to get a bit more liberal with some play calling.
They couldn't take away our security blanket so our QB's werent rattled.

Nothing more, nothing less my friend.
Coaches coach, Players play.
When both happen at the same time we win.
When one doesnt, we loose.

Long story short, The Chiller and his staff are not smarter cause they did something drastically different this week.
They just installed thier same scheme and the players just executed it.

Pretty simple when you think about it.
;D

Again, great stuff my friend.

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 09:10 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:





Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-









M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.


I wonder what role the long TD to Rice as well as a few completions had in softening up the D a bit allowing for more rushing yards?

Hard to tell with that Defensive scheme but I did see alot less in the box at times in the second half.

V-Unit
11-06-2007, 09:21 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:







Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-









M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.


I wonder what role the long TD to Rice as well as a few completions had in softening up the D a bit allowing for more rushing yards?

Hard to tell with that Defensive scheme but I did see alot less in the box at times in the second half.


Marrdro, I'm sorry, but you are speaking absolute gibberish.

1-10-MIN 19
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).

2-4-MIN 25
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).

1-10-MIN 35
(5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).

1-10-MIN 48
(4:43) 29-C.Taylor right end to SD 45 for 7 yards (76-J.Williams; 74-J.Cesaire).

2-3-SD 45
(4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

1-10-SD 40
(3:15) 9-B.Bollinger pass deep right to 18-S.Rice for 40 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


We ran 5 straight times for an average 8 yards per carry to set up that TD throw. The Chargers tried to stop our run, but they simply were not able to.

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 09:32 AM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:









Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-









M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.


I wonder what role the long TD to Rice as well as a few completions had in softening up the D a bit allowing for more rushing yards?

Hard to tell with that Defensive scheme but I did see alot less in the box at times in the second half.


Marrdro, I'm sorry, but you are speaking absolute gibberish.

1-10-MIN 19
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).

2-4-MIN 25
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).

1-10-MIN 35
(5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).

1-10-MIN 48
(4:43) 29-C.Taylor right end to SD 45 for 7 yards (76-J.Williams; 74-J.Cesaire).

2-3-SD 45
(4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

1-10-SD 40
(3:15) 9-B.Bollinger pass deep right to 18-S.Rice for 40 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


We ran 5 straight times for an average 8 yards per carry to set up that TD throw. The Chargers tried to stop our run, but they simply were not able to.



Why did I know you would be the first to respond.

Look at the yards per carry avg after the pass if you think it was gibberish.

Comeon my friend.
What is easier to run against, 8 in the box and every secondary guy cheating up or 7 in the box and the secondary guys running with thier backs to the play and then being engaged by the WR's blocking?

Not gibberish but basic football 101.
;D

V-Unit
11-06-2007, 09:52 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:











Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-









M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.


I wonder what role the long TD to Rice as well as a few completions had in softening up the D a bit allowing for more rushing yards?

Hard to tell with that Defensive scheme but I did see alot less in the box at times in the second half.


Marrdro, I'm sorry, but you are speaking absolute gibberish.

1-10-MIN 19
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).

2-4-MIN 25
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).

1-10-MIN 35
(5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).

1-10-MIN 48
(4:43) 29-C.Taylor right end to SD 45 for 7 yards (76-J.Williams; 74-J.Cesaire).

2-3-SD 45
(4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

1-10-SD 40
(3:15) 9-B.Bollinger pass deep right to 18-S.Rice for 40 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


We ran 5 straight times for an average 8 yards per carry to set up that TD throw. The Chargers tried to stop our run, but they simply were not able to.



Why did I know you would be the first to respond.

Look at the yards per carry avg after the pass if you think it was gibberish.

Comeon my friend.
What is easier to run against, 8 in the box and every secondary guy cheating up or 7 in the box and the secondary guys running with thier backs to the play and then being engaged by the WR's blocking?

Not gibberish but basic football 101.

;D


Everyone knew we would be running on 3rd and 2, with our backup QB in and a tie ballgame, before "the pass". AD still ripped a 64 yard TD.
Everyone in the planet knew we would run the ball with 2 minutes left, up by 17. AD still ripped a 35 yarder.

I would argue wearing SD down by running throughout the game had just as much to do with the 16.2 ypc after the pass, compared to 6.2 before it.

Either way, if you give credit to the pass for setting up the runs, you must realize that if we had not run effectively beforehand, that pass could not have happened in the first place.

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 09:58 AM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:













Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-









M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.


I wonder what role the long TD to Rice as well as a few completions had in softening up the D a bit allowing for more rushing yards?

Hard to tell with that Defensive scheme but I did see alot less in the box at times in the second half.


Marrdro, I'm sorry, but you are speaking absolute gibberish.

1-10-MIN 19
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).

2-4-MIN 25
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).

1-10-MIN 35
(5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).

1-10-MIN 48
(4:43) 29-C.Taylor right end to SD 45 for 7 yards (76-J.Williams; 74-J.Cesaire).

2-3-SD 45
(4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

1-10-SD 40
(3:15) 9-B.Bollinger pass deep right to 18-S.Rice for 40 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


We ran 5 straight times for an average 8 yards per carry to set up that TD throw. The Chargers tried to stop our run, but they simply were not able to.



Why did I know you would be the first to respond.

Look at the yards per carry avg after the pass if you think it was gibberish.

Comeon my friend.
What is easier to run against, 8 in the box and every secondary guy cheating up or 7 in the box and the secondary guys running with thier backs to the play and then being engaged by the WR's blocking?

Not gibberish but basic football 101.

;D


Everyone knew we would be running on 3rd and 2, with our backup QB in and a tie ballgame, before "the pass". AD still ripped a 64 yard TD.
Everyone in the planet knew we would run the ball with 2 minutes left, up by 17. AD still ripped a 35 yarder.

I would argue wearing SD down by running throughout the game had just as much to do with the 16.2 ypc after the pass, compared to 6.2 before it.

Either way, if you give credit to the pass for setting up the runs, you must realize that if we had not run effectively beforehand, that pass could not have happened in the first place.

60/40 my friend.
I never diss the running game.
I only see the need and bennies of passing.

As I said in the other thread (good stuff in there by the way) that AD won't be around long if he keeps seeing 8 and 9 man fronts.
At some point our passing game needs to have a role.

I thought that the little bit we saw this week as just enough and at a very opportune time.
;D

snowinapril
11-06-2007, 10:10 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:











Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you
have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.


Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-








M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.


I wonder what role the long TD to Rice as well as a few completions had in softening up the D a bit allowing for more rushing yards?

Hard to tell with that Defensive scheme but I did see alot less in the box at times in the second half.


Marrdro, I'm sorry, but you are speaking absolute gibberish.

1-10-MIN 19
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).

2-4-MIN 25
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).

1-10-MIN 35
(5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).

1-10-MIN 48
(4:43) 29-C.Taylor right end to SD 45 for 7 yards (76-J.Williams; 74-J.Cesaire).

2-3-SD 45
(4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

1-10-SD 40
(3:15) 9-B.Bollinger pass deep right to 18-S.Rice for 40 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


We ran 5 straight times for an average 8 yards per carry to set up that TD throw. The Chargers tried to stop our run, but they simply were not able to.



Why did I know you would be the first to respond.

Look at the yards per carry avg after the pass if you think it was gibberish.

Comeon my friend.
What is easier to run against, 8 in the box and every secondary guy cheating up or 7 in the box and the secondary guys running with thier backs to the play and then being engaged by the WR's blocking?

Not gibberish but basic football 101.
;D


Odds are with our passing game, we won't hit more than one of those shots over the top in a single game, coverage or no coverage.

When you hear two guys like Deion and Mooch say that nobody respects our passing game, it is true, not because they said it, because it is just a reaffirmation of what is true.
I have a difficult time believing the pass to Rice softened them up.
If it did, it shouldn't have for long, when AD ripped off those big runs, if I was coach, I would have had the guys right back in the box, screw playing the pass.
I think it was once again, the run that softened them up for the pass.
The problem for the opponent, in not cheating the last line of defense up for the run, discipline on the D's part.

We blocked so well in that game.
We had a hat on a hat.
AD only had to beat the one on one, the hat that had him.
It doesn't matter if it is 7 or 8 in the box when the WRs are blocking down field like that in addition to the OL.
The last TD run for AD was the definite hat on hat play, the LG slid over grab the NT, the C released and got the MLB sealed and that left Herrera, Cook, SAUCE, Wade and Fergy to do their jobs one on one.
That was an awesome display.
The other long TD run, AD had a few more guys to beat on his own but it was still guys blocking enough to help get him the holes and the edges all day for All Day.

snowinapril
11-06-2007, 10:17 AM
If I was to argue for the tired theory, I would argue tired of chasing AD, gets a bit demoralizing.

Run has set up the pass a lot for us.
I still point back to the two passes in KC that were not taken advantage of, both set up by ADs measly performance of just over 100 yds.
It wasn't that they were afraid of AD as much as lack of respect.
They were crowding us at the line and cheating on the run.

V-Unit
11-06-2007, 10:29 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:















Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-









M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.


I wonder what role the long TD to Rice as well as a few completions had in softening up the D a bit allowing for more rushing yards?

Hard to tell with that Defensive scheme but I did see alot less in the box at times in the second half.


Marrdro, I'm sorry, but you are speaking absolute gibberish.

1-10-MIN 19
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).

2-4-MIN 25
(6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).

1-10-MIN 35
(5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).

1-10-MIN 48
(4:43) 29-C.Taylor right end to SD 45 for 7 yards (76-J.Williams; 74-J.Cesaire).

2-3-SD 45
(4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

1-10-SD 40
(3:15) 9-B.Bollinger pass deep right to 18-S.Rice for 40 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


We ran 5 straight times for an average 8 yards per carry to set up that TD throw. The Chargers tried to stop our run, but they simply were not able to.



Why did I know you would be the first to respond.

Look at the yards per carry avg after the pass if you think it was gibberish.

Comeon my friend.
What is easier to run against, 8 in the box and every secondary guy cheating up or 7 in the box and the secondary guys running with thier backs to the play and then being engaged by the WR's blocking?

Not gibberish but basic football 101.

;D


Everyone knew we would be running on 3rd and 2, with our backup QB in and a tie ballgame, before "the pass". AD still ripped a 64 yard TD.
Everyone in the planet knew we would run the ball with 2 minutes left, up by 17. AD still ripped a 35 yarder.

I would argue wearing SD down by running throughout the game had just as much to do with the 16.2 ypc after the pass, compared to 6.2 before it.

Either way, if you give credit to the pass for setting up the runs, you must realize that if we had not run effectively beforehand, that pass could not have happened in the first place.

60/40 my friend.
I never diss the running game.
I only see the need and bennies of passing.

As I said in the other thread (good stuff in there by the way) that AD won't be around long if he keeps seeing 8 and 9 man fronts.
At some point our passing game needs to have a role.

I thought that the little bit we saw this week as just enough and at a very opportune time.

;D


Yes, at some point the passing game does need to have a role, but I don't see that happening in a major way this season. All we can hope for from our passing game is 150 yards, no INTs, and above 50% completion.

For passing to have a role, average players like Cook, Bollinger, and Wade have to step up. I would much rather depend on the run. Next year, if we get better talent at QB and WR, that will change.

NordicNed
11-06-2007, 10:31 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:





Taylor is the pound it up the middle guy.
AD is the guy who rolls out looking for the gap.
Not too many gaps when you

have 8 on the line.

As for Childress...complete idiot.
Put Jackson in there and 8 guys on the line every play because the opposition and every Viking fan knows that he can't play at this level (except Childress).
As soon as Bollinger went in there...5 guys on the line because Bollinger can actually pass.
5 guys on the line is also an invitation for AD to run All Day.
(also nice strike to Rice!)
I would venture to say CHildress is so stubborn he will find a way to put TJAck in, concussion and all.



I don't know the breakdown by the number of carries, but 253 of AD's 296 yards came in the 2nd half as did two of his TD's.



Breakdown what Singer. Number of carries per half?.....


Yep


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29315&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG9

My unofficial count is 13 1st, 16 second, so I missed one in there.
There are also at least 3 carries, maybe 4 where the play was negated by penalty.

=Z=


Thanx =Z=. You actually took the time to go thru the play by play & add them up. I was hoping there was a site there that better summarized the stats by quarter.

I counted 13 carries in the 1st half & 17 carries in the 2nd half.

You probably discounted the last penalty which was a Unnecessary Roughness for 15 yards, which didn't negate his run, but was an add on;

1st Quarter

1-10-MIN 19 (13:00) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 21 for 2 yards (56-S.Merriman, 54-S.Cooper).
1-10-SD 39 (5:35) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 34 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman).
2-3-SD 22 (3:55) 28-A.Peterson right end to SD 5 for 17 yards (57-M.Wilhelm, 54-S.Cooper).
2-1-SD 1 (2:52) 28-A.Peterson left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-MIN 21 (1:44) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 1 yard (76-J.Williams).
1-15-MIN 30 (:03) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 31 for 1 yard (52-C.Polk).

2nd Quarter

1-10-MIN 4 (12:07) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 2 for -2 yards (99-I.Olshansky).
2-13-MIN 1 (11:09) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 3 for 2 yards (76-J.Williams).
1-10-MIN 29 (8:07) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for no gain (57-M.Wilhelm, 56-S.Merriman).
2-11-MIN 15 (4:57) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for 5 yards (93-L.Castillo, 57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 20 (2:24) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 27 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-MIN 27 (2:00) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 25 for -2 yards (42-C.Hart).
3-5-MIN 25 (1:20) 28-A.Peterson left guard to MIN 31 for 6 yards (42-C.Hart, 92-M.Harris). SD-74-J.

3rd Quarter

2-10-MIN 17 (14:51) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 23 for 6 yards (93-L.Castillo). SD-93-L.
3-2-MIN 36 (12:55) 28-A.Peterson left tackle for 64 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-SD 20 (12:36) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart).
2-5-SD 15 (11:55) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 17 for -2 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 19 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 25 for 6 yards (54-S.Cooper, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-4-MIN 25 (6:44) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 35 for 10 yards (56-S.Merriman).
1-10-MIN 35 (5:28) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 48 for 13 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
2-3-SD 45 (4:00) 28-A.Peterson right guard to SD 40 for 5 yards (56-S.Merriman, 42-C.Hart).

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 20 (14:09) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 36 for 16 yards (54-S.Cooper).
1-10-MIN 36 (13:23) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 45 for 19 yards (20-M.McCree).
1-20-MIN 45 (12:15) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (42-C.Hart, 57-M.Wilhelm).
2-15-MIN 50 (11:31) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (97-R.Bingham).
1-10-SD 31 (10:17) 28-A.Peterson left guard to SD 19 for 12 yards (54-S.Cooper). FUMBLES (54-S.Cooper),
1-10-SD 46 (7:54) 28-A.Peterson right end for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-10-SD 40 (7:30) 28-A.Peterson left end to SD 33 for 7 yards (57-M.Wilhelm).
1-10-MIN 10 (1:58) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 45 for 35 yards (20-M.McCree). PENALTY on SD-20-









M.McCree, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 45.
2-4-SD 34 (1:04) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to SD 31 for 3 yards (76-J.Williams).

Bottom line & where I was going with this is that AD gets better in the second half (it appears) as the opponents defense probably tires.

1st half: 13 carries, 43 yards, 3.3 YPC
2nd half: 17 carries, 253 yards, 14.9 YPC

total: 30 carries, 296 yards, 9.9 YPC

I haven't checked all the games, but if I recall correctly, this was true in the Bears game as well.









Seems my post and guess of.....

I have no clue where to find states laid out by each half of the game..




But we know he had 30 rushes, and I'de like to take a wild guess and say he rushed
about the same amount in both halfs..... 13 in the first half,.....17 in the second...





WAS DEAD ON

;D



The Power of Nakedness is mighty strong...... ;)

ACMEAaron
11-06-2007, 11:14 AM
http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/

C Mac D
11-06-2007, 11:26 AM
"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.

ACMEAaron
11-06-2007, 11:31 AM
"C" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.


What's funny is that I AM the Packer fan that wrote that article...

:)

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 11:35 AM
"C" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.

ACMEAaron,

How did you come up with such original stuff my friend?

CMacD,

I don't know whats more sad, the fact that you believe this stuff or the fact that the author had to come over here and steal the material.
;D

NordicNed
11-06-2007, 11:40 AM
I think we now know where Cajun is....LMAO
;)

ACMEAaron
11-06-2007, 11:42 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.

ACMEAaron,

How did you come up with such original stuff my friend?

CMacD,

I don't know whats more sad, the fact that you believe this stuff or the fact that the author had to come over here and steal the material.
;D


Do you have a link to what you're referencing? I swear that post is just my visceral hatred for your coach. (Though I can't say I'm surprised someone else feels the same way...) I promise I didn't 'steal' anything. Your coach is just a douche...

C Mac D
11-06-2007, 11:44 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.

ACMEAaron,

How did you come up with such original stuff my friend?

CMacD,

I don't know whats more sad, the fact that you believe this stuff or the fact that the author had to come over here and steal the material.
;D


It's just denial. Anyone can see how pathetic of a coach he is.

NFL today pretty much makes fun of him. I'm done talking about it. He is pitiful. I don't need to sit here and post every stat and play from the game to prove my point... time will prove me right.

ACMEAaron... Cajun... whoever wrote it, great stuff. Hit the nail on the head!

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 11:46 AM
"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.

ACMEAaron,

How did you come up with such original stuff my friend?

CMacD,

I don't know whats more sad, the fact that you believe this stuff or the fact that the author had to come over here and steal the material.

;D


Do you have a link to what you're referencing? I swear that post is just my visceral hatred for your coach. (Though I can't say I'm surprised someone else feels the same way...) I promise I didn't 'steal' anything. Your coach is just a douche...


Pick a link from last week.
The haters have been strangely quiet this week.
;D

My apologies my friend if you in fact came up with those issues on your own.

snowinapril
11-06-2007, 11:47 AM
"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.


What's funny is that I AM the Packer fan that wrote that article...

:)


"Stay Classy San Diego."

"Thanks for stopping by."

"Stay Classy."

"No thanks for stopping by."

"Stay Classy"

"Thanks for stopping by."

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 11:48 AM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.

ACMEAaron,

How did you come up with such original stuff my friend?

CMacD,

I don't know whats more sad, the fact that you believe this stuff or the fact that the author had to come over here and steal the material.

;D


It's just denial. Anyone can see how pathetic of a coach he is.

NFL today pretty much makes fun of him. I'm done talking about it. He is pitiful. I don't need to sit here and post every stat and play from the game to prove my point... time will prove me right.

ACMEAaron... Cajun... whoever wrote it, great stuff. Hit the nail on the head!

I doubt it my friend.
;D

ACMEAaron
11-06-2007, 11:48 AM
Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...

ACMEAaron
11-06-2007, 11:49 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/any-time-i-can-point-out/


Hahaha, that's hilarious because it's so true and blatantly obvious.

It must suck to be a Brad Childress supporter and read that article. You are going to have to admit that at least the Packer fan who wrote it is smarter than you.


What's funny is that I AM the Packer fan that wrote that article...

:)


"Stay Classy San Diego."

"Thanks for stopping by."

"Stay Classy."

"No thanks for stopping by."

"Stay Classy"

"Thanks for stopping by."


LOL.

snowinapril
11-06-2007, 12:01 PM
"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...


I think that GB fans everywhere should be counting their lucky sheep that BF stayed the last 2 years or you would be cussing out McCarthy.
He hasn't proven himself any better than Chilly, JMHO.
Let's average out the next 5 seasons and see where out TEAMS take our coaches.
Only then will you be able to tell me Chilly sucks.

The QB position is the most important position on the field and GB is lucky they have that covered.

NordicNed
11-06-2007, 12:07 PM
I'm telling you guys, this is Cajun....LMFAO

ACMEAaron
11-06-2007, 12:17 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:




I'm telling you guys, this is Cajun....LMFAO


Name is Aaron. Feel free to call me here in NY if you wish. I'm at work at the Blackstone Group.
212-583-5650

ACMEAaron
11-06-2007, 12:19 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...


He hasn't proven himself any better than Chilly, JMHO.



:o

Right.

snowinapril
11-06-2007, 12:26 PM
"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...


He hasn't proven himself any better than Chilly, JMHO.





:o

Right.


Please don't take my quote out of context.
Highlight it instead.
This is what it looked like.


You put Favre on the Vikings and Chilly would be heralded as a GENIUS and this thread wouldn't exist.
JMHO!


"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...


I think that GB fans everywhere should be counting their lucky sheep that BF stayed the last 2 years or you would be cussing out McCarthy.
He hasn't proven himself any better than Chilly, JMHO.
Let's average out the next 5 seasons and see where out TEAMS take our coaches.
Only then will you be able to tell me Chilly sucks.

The QB position is the most important position on the field and GB is lucky they have that covered.

nephilimstorm
11-06-2007, 12:31 PM
I think Bonehead Chilldress's fate will begin with the next few games...if he wins gets us into the playoffs..maybe we get him again next year..if he doesnt win, and with his approval rating...Wilf should fire him..just my idea as a WWYD in this topic

C Mac D
11-06-2007, 12:35 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Do you have a link to what you're referencing? I swear that post is just my visceral hatred for your coach. (Though I can't say I'm surprised someone else feels the same way...) I promise I didn't 'steal' anything. Your coach is just a douche...


Pick a link from last week.
The haters have been strangely quiet this week.
;D

My apologies my friend if you in fact came up with those issues on your own.


Strangely Quiet this week??!!!

FIRE CHILDRESS!!!!!! THE GUY IS THE WORST COACH IN THE NFL!!!!!!

How's that Marr?
;)




jk bud, you know I like our banter

ACMEAaron
11-06-2007, 12:36 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...


He hasn't proven himself any better than Chilly, JMHO.





:o

Right.


Please don't take my quote out of context.
Highlight it instead.
This is what it looked like.


You put Favre on the Vikings and Chilly would be heralded as a GENIUS and this thread wouldn't exist.
JMHO!


"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...


I think that GB fans everywhere should be counting their lucky sheep that BF stayed the last 2 years or you would be cussing out McCarthy.
He hasn't proven himself any better than Chilly, JMHO.
Let's average out the next 5 seasons and see where out TEAMS take our coaches.
Only then will you be able to tell me Chilly sucks.

The QB position is the most important position on the field and GB is lucky they have that covered.



Um, ok, I'll respond directly instead.

The idea that Childress is half the coach McCarthy is is laughable.

And lest we forget, Childress wanted the Vikings job because they had "better" players. Well, Favre was one of those players Childress didn't want.

snowinapril
11-06-2007, 12:38 PM
"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...


He hasn't proven himself any better than Chilly, JMHO.





:o

Right.


Please don't take my quote out of context.
Highlight it instead.
This is what it looked like.


You put Favre on the Vikings and Chilly would be heralded as a GENIUS and this thread wouldn't exist.
JMHO!


"snowinapril" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Thanks very much.

I'll admit, I thought Childress would be a much better coach than it seems he's turning out to be. And his snub of Thompson, not even having the courtesy to get on the plane and interview, sealed his douchery.

Can't tell you how glad I am that Thompson got McCarthy instead...


I think that GB fans everywhere should be counting their lucky sheep that BF stayed the last 2 years or you would be cussing out McCarthy.
He hasn't proven himself any better than Chilly, JMHO.
Let's average out the next 5 seasons and see where out TEAMS take our coaches.
Only then will you be able to tell me Chilly sucks.

The QB position is the most important position on the field and GB is lucky they have that covered.



Um, ok, I'll respond directly instead.

The idea that Childress is half the coach McCarthy is is laughable.

And lest we forget, Childress wanted the Vikings job because they had "better" players. Well, Favre was one of those players Childress didn't want.



If that is the case, what does that say about the Packers for making him their first choice and McCarthy their second fiddle.
LUCKY!
LOL!

McCarthy sounds an awful lot like Tice!

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 01:49 PM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ACMEAaron" wrote:


Do you have a link to what you're referencing? I swear that post is just my visceral hatred for your coach. (Though I can't say I'm surprised someone else feels the same way...) I promise I didn't 'steal' anything. Your coach is just a douche...


Pick a link from last week.
The haters have been strangely quiet this week.

;D

My apologies my friend if you in fact came up with those issues on your own.


Strangely Quiet this week??!!!

FIRE CHILDRESS!!!!!! THE GUY IS THE WORST COACH IN THE NFL!!!!!!

How's that Marr?
;)




jk bud, you know I like our banter



Now your just cracking me up
;D

Zeus
11-06-2007, 01:51 PM
"C" wrote:



(old, boring, stale nothingness)



*snooze*

=Z=

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 01:52 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:



(old, boring, stale nothingness)



*snooze*

=Z=

Thats the second one.


Sometimes smileys don't do posts justice.
;D

CCthebest
11-06-2007, 02:17 PM
This thread is too funny. We had one good game and dickless, err childress is a genius. He doesnt have a clue how to mange the clock or a game. Hes so into his theory of ball control, he takes us out of games, He has no clue whatsoever when to throw a red flag. And dont excuse him by saying someone in the booth told him to throw the flags, fire em and get some compentent people. Learn when to call timeouts.

Childress got lucky AD had such a great game. The eyes aernt watching him so close, but that will change. He is too stuborn to make adjustments when they are needed, or when the players cant handle his game plan. The next time a team firgures out how to stop AD, we loose by a close score, same as most of the games the past 2 years since he came to town. Look at his choices in QBs the past 2 years? whats that tell ya? And for the love of god dont use the exxcuse nothing was avalible. A WCO or childress's KAO needs a compentent QB at that very least. Its the most important position. Garcia would have been a nice fit.

mountainviking
11-06-2007, 02:25 PM
Some good points Caine...please allow me to try and present another view...some quotes truncated for readability.


I would, however, like to comment on these "self evident truths".

1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year.


Who brought these players in?
Whose job is it to prepare them for the games?
So, we're assuming that the coaches are telling players to drop catchable balls, miss blocks, false start, overthrow open WRs, slip and fall in coverage etc, etc, etc ???


2.
Superbowl teams are not built over night, nor in 1.5 years.


Hmmm...Lovie Smith took the Bears from the cellar to the Superbowl in 3.
He took a 7-9 team over and went 6-10 his first year.
He then proceeded to go 11-5 in his second season, and 13-3 in his third...and lost in the Superbowl.

Mike McCarthy took a 4-12 team and went 8-8 in his first season.
He is now 7-1 and his team is considered by some (morons) to be one of the better teams in the NFC.

Rod Marinelli took over a 5-11 team, went 3-13 in his first season, and is now 6-2 and making a serious run at the play-offs.

Brad Childress took a 9-7 team and went 6-10 in HIS first season as well.
He's now 3-5 at the halfway point of his second season.
To keep on Lovie's pace, the Vikes have to win out.

The point here is that coaches in similar situations are showing more progress towards success...and most of them started off with worse situations.
That was three years for Lovie.
Packers and Lions have a veteran QB to steer the ship and get the rest of their young guns in line.
I believe it was Singer who posted that you need experience somewhere...a vet WR and/or TE as a safety blanket to help along the young QB, or a vet QB to help the young WRs develop.
Hell even our OLine, where we do have some vets, has struggled, not providing the consistency a young QB needs to develop.

I'm not convinced that there was a worse situation than the land of 10,000 controversies...


3.
There is a ton of young potential on this team, but it takes time to develop and get it all working together....And, so far, all we've seen from the entire rest of the offense is....nada.
So, what does that say about Childress' scheme....or his player selection?


Well, actually, Rice has two TDs.
Shank and TWill have one each.
MOST importantly, the blocking has improved dramatically!
In case you didn't see the article, here's a link:
http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1531025.html

A good read about how AP is improving, by using his blockers better.


4.
QB is our weakest link, all three are questionable at best, but I have yet to hear a legitimate name who was available this off season.

Garcia would have been a good fit, but Tampa scooped him up pretty quick, and he was adamant about being a starter, not just a "role model-teacher type."
Schaub cost the texans two second round picks...which would have left no Rice in our bowl.
And Carr?
Well, Testeverde looks better.
I'm not thinking he was the answer either.
At the time, Holcomb for a sixth seemed the best bet.

I guess, the question is, how many wins does it take to win back the fans?
Only 6 of 16 NFC teams get into the playoffs...we can't all go.

C Mac D
11-06-2007, 02:26 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:


This thread is too funny. We had one good game and dickless, err childress is a genius. He doesnt have a clue how to mange the clock or a game. Hes so into his theory of ball control, he takes us out of games, He has no clue whatsoever when to throw a red flag. And dont excuse him by saying someone in the booth told him to throw the flags, fire em and get some compentent people. Learn when to call timeouts.

Childress got lucky AD had such a great game. The eyes aernt watching him so close, but that will change. He is too stuborn to make adjustments when they are needed, or when the players cant handle his game plan. The next time a team firgures out how to stop AD, we loose by a close score, same as most of the games the past 2 years since he came to town. Look at his choices in QBs the past 2 years? whats that tell ya? And for the love of god dont use the exxcuse nothing was avalible. A WCO or childress's KAO needs a compentent QB at that very least. Its the most important position. Garcia would have been a nice fit.


Thank you!!! I was starting to think everyone was blinded by the win... PHEW....

It's a relief to know that some people can see a GOD AWFUL coach, even after an amazing individual performance.

Wait for Marr's response... wait for it... wait for it....

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 02:29 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:


This thread is too funny. We had one good game and dickless, err childress is a genius. He doesnt have a clue how to mange the clock or a game. Hes so into his theory of ball control, he takes us out of games, He has no clue whatsoever when to throw a red flag. And dont excuse him by saying someone in the booth told him to throw the flags, fire em and get some compentent people. Learn when to call timeouts.

Childress got lucky AD had such a great game. The eyes aernt watching him so close, but that will change. He is too stuborn to make adjustments when they are needed, or when the players cant handle his game plan. The next time a team firgures out how to stop AD, we loose by a close score, same as most of the games the past 2 years since he came to town. Look at his choices in QBs the past 2 years? whats that tell ya? And for the love of god dont use the exxcuse nothing was avalible. A WCO or childress's KAO needs a compentent QB at that very least. Its the most important position. Garcia would have been a nice fit.

One question my friend (well really four).

How do you know Garcia even wanted to come here?
I agree that he would have been a good fit, however, I don't think he ever wanted to come here.

With that said, do you think if Bryscheapski offered him a lucritive contract would he have come?

Who else should they have gone after?
Seems they are all doing pretty shitty (or hurt) were ever they are at now.

I am convinced we will go after a Vet next year.
Who is out there that you think is a good fit?

C Mac D
11-06-2007, 02:30 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"CCthebest" wrote:


This thread is too funny. We had one good game and dickless, err childress is a genius. He doesnt have a clue how to mange the clock or a game. Hes so into his theory of ball control, he takes us out of games, He has no clue whatsoever when to throw a red flag. And dont excuse him by saying someone in the booth told him to throw the flags, fire em and get some compentent people. Learn when to call timeouts.

Childress got lucky AD had such a great game. The eyes aernt watching him so close, but that will change. He is too stuborn to make adjustments when they are needed, or when the players cant handle his game plan. The next time a team firgures out how to stop AD, we loose by a close score, same as most of the games the past 2 years since he came to town. Look at his choices in QBs the past 2 years? whats that tell ya? And for the love of god dont use the exxcuse nothing was avalible. A WCO or childress's KAO needs a compentent QB at that very least. Its the most important position. Garcia would have been a nice fit.

One question my friend (well really four).

How do you know Garcia even wanted to come here?
I agree that he would have been a good fit, however, I don't think he ever wanted to come here.

With that said, do you think if Bryscheapski offered him a lucritive contract would he have come?

Who else should they have gone after?
Seems they are all doing pretty shitty (or hurt) were ever they are at now.

I am convinced we will go after a Vet next year.
Who is out there that you think is a good fit?


AND BAM... .THERE IT IS!!!!

You never disappoint Marr.

"C" wrote:


Wait for Marr's response... wait for it... wait for it....

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 02:36 PM
"C" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"CCthebest" wrote:


This thread is too funny. We had one good game and dickless, err childress is a genius. He doesnt have a clue how to mange the clock or a game. Hes so into his theory of ball control, he takes us out of games, He has no clue whatsoever when to throw a red flag. And dont excuse him by saying someone in the booth told him to throw the flags, fire em and get some compentent people. Learn when to call timeouts.

Childress got lucky AD had such a great game. The eyes aernt watching him so close, but that will change. He is too stuborn to make adjustments when they are needed, or when the players cant handle his game plan. The next time a team firgures out how to stop AD, we loose by a close score, same as most of the games the past 2 years since he came to town. Look at his choices in QBs the past 2 years? whats that tell ya? And for the love of god dont use the exxcuse nothing was avalible. A WCO or childress's KAO needs a compentent QB at that very least. Its the most important position. Garcia would have been a nice fit.

One question my friend (well really four).

How do you know Garcia even wanted to come here?
I agree that he would have been a good fit, however, I don't think he ever wanted to come here.

With that said, do you think if Bryscheapski offered him a lucritive contract would he have come?

Who else should they have gone after?
Seems they are all doing pretty poohie (or hurt) were ever they are at now.

I am convinced we will go after a Vet next year.
Who is out there that you think is a good fit?


AND BAM... .THERE IT IS!!!!

You never disappoint Marr.

"C" wrote:


Wait for Marr's response... wait for it... wait for it....


You just caught on? Been off TJ as a starter since the Finger.
His injury issues just seem to worry me when you consider that a team needs to rely on him to be out there all the time.

I have no issues with his talent though.
I think in time he will turn out to be a great backup for us.

Marrdro's plan would be to get D Anderson (watch his last 3 games), continue to develop TJ and see if we can find a undrafted guy as a project.

Use our CAP Money on a WR and a DE.

Its pretty obvious if you ask me.
We just need to get Bryzscheapski to come off some bucks.
;D

mountainviking
11-06-2007, 02:42 PM
You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his shit together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

MinnesotaFury
11-06-2007, 02:43 PM
I wouldn't totally be against picking up Dnabb this offseason... but that is neither here nor there...

Childress is only a genius if you consider giving the ball to the only player on your offense 30 times and realizing that the player is good enough to start by week 8...

Marrdro
11-06-2007, 02:45 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.

mountainviking
11-06-2007, 02:48 PM
I think the Vikings are cheap by design, and necessity.
We're not the league's best money maker.

Did you all read this article:
Fine-tuning a talent

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1531025.html

Some good insight into coaching, and improvements by Peterson and his blockers...

mountainviking
11-06-2007, 02:50 PM
"MinnesotaFury" wrote:


I wouldn't totally be against picking up Dnabb this offseason... but that is neither here nor there...

Childress is only a genius if you consider giving the ball to the only player on your offense 30 times and realizing that the player is good enough to start by week 8...


That hook and ladder is still one of my favorite plays ever!

Mr-holland
11-06-2007, 03:36 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.

Why, he's definately not better than any Qb on our roster now
And because TJ is our Qb project why keep Thigpen around?

ballhog27
11-06-2007, 04:03 PM
To respond to the idea that there will be flip-floppers in the Childress debate...yeah I assume there will be. I myself still don't see Chilly as being the smartest coach to ever stroll through the Vikings locker room. I honestly think we caught the Chargers with their pants down (No Vikings pun need apply). The game could have went either way for a very long time. I guess my look at it is if we improve our record compared to last year. I see the Vikings having a possible chance of finishing 10-6 through the end of the year. This will take a win in either GB or NY. The rest of their schedule seems rather in their favor (Detroit, Chicago, Oakland, Washington at Home and 49ers and Broncos away). If we come off the year with an 8-8 of 7-9 record I can say that "Chilly" is making a move in the right direction, but if we only go 6-10 or 5-11 it shows really no improvement to last year's situation.

Go Vikings,
Vikings 24, Packers 20

gagarr
11-06-2007, 04:23 PM
I will not flip-flop on Chilly, but if he shows that he's improving the team through his game plan and schemes.
i.e. by the end of the year the Vikes pass D looks respectable and the O passing game isn't just used to give AD a break.

Seeing these two things improve will cause me to migrate toward the Chilly camp.

The rush D was good before Chilly and lucking into AD doesn't show he is making the difference.

Caine
11-06-2007, 04:45 PM
"mountainviking]<br" wrote:

I would, however, like to comment on these "self evident truths".

1.
There have been way more Viking mistakes made by players than coaches in the past year.


Who brought these players in?
Whose job is it to prepare them for the games?
So, we're assuming that the coaches are telling players to drop catchable balls, miss blocks, false start, overthrow open WRs, slip and fall in coverage etc, etc, etc ???[/quote]

Nope, we can certainly assume that the coaches aren't teaching them to blow plays....but can we also assume that the coaches went out and acquired talent that fit their scheme?
Or that they have adjusted their scheme for the talent present?
I don't.


I believe that the inability of certain KEY players to make routine plays is a direct result of our coaching staff - in conjunction with our personell staff - NOT getting the best possible players at the positions in question.
QB's were available, WR's were available, DE's were available (And please, don't pull the old "Well, who then?" thing....that's been done and lists are all over this site).


The FACT is that Childress hitched his wagon to the Tarvaris Jackson horse, and it's pulled up lame 3 times already this season.
Childress believed that Bobby Wade would make our WR corps more capable...then that Robert Fergusson would make it more capable...we're waiting...

So, is it a question of players not making plays, or of the wrong players in there trying to make those same plays?
I believe it's the latter.
Childress did NOT provide to tools to be successful to either the young WR's or the young QB...and, as a result, both have (no shock there) failed to be successful.

"mountainviking]
2.
" wrote:




Hmmm...Lovie Smith took the Bears from the cellar to the Superbowl in 3.
He took a 7-9 team over and went 6-10 his first year.
He then proceeded to go 11-5 in his second season, and 13-3 in his third...and lost in the Superbowl.

Mike McCarthy took a 4-12 team and went 8-8 in his first season.
He is now 7-1 and his team is considered by some (morons) to be one of the better teams in the NFC.

Rod Marinelli took over a 5-11 team, went 3-13 in his first season, and is now 6-2 and making a serious run at the play-offs.

Brad Childress took a 9-7 team and went 6-10 in HIS first season as well.
He's now 3-5 at the halfway point of his second season.
To keep on Lovie's pace, the Vikes have to win out.

The point here is that coaches in similar situations are showing more progress towards success...and most of them started off with worse situations.
That was three years for Lovie.
Packers and Lions have a veteran QB to steer the ship and get the rest of their young guns in line.
I believe it was Singer who posted that you need experience somewhere...a vet WR and/or TE as a safety blanket to help along the young QB, or a vet QB to help the young WRs develop.
Hell even our OLine, where we do have some vets, has struggled, not providing the consistency a young QB needs to develop.

I'm not convinced that there was a worse situation than the land of 10,000 controversies...

Yep, I said it was 3 for Lovie...but his team showed DRAMATIC improvement in year 2.

The vikings had shots at "veteran" QB's and/or WR's...they simply didn't get them (Childress repeatedly said that he believed in TJ).

And our O-Line problems are the same problems that have bothered them for years.
Nothing new there.
Except that Chilly hasn't done anything to change that.


"mountainviking]
[color=red]3.
" wrote:

...And, so far, all we've seen from the entire rest of the offense is....nada.
So, what does that say about Childress' scheme....or his player selection?


Well, actually, Rice has two TDs.
Shank and TWill have one each.
MOST importantly, the blocking has improved dramatically!
In case you didn't see the article, here's a link:
http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1531025.html

A good read about how AP is improving, by using his blockers better.


[color=red]4.
QB is our weakest link, all three are questionable at best, but I have yet to hear a legitimate name who was available this off season.

Garcia would have been a good fit, but Tampa scooped him up pretty quick, and he was adamant about being a starter, not just a "role model-teacher type."
Schaub cost the texans two second round picks...which would have left no Rice in our bowl.
And Carr?
Well, Testeverde looks better.
I'm not thinking he was the answer either.
At the time, Holcomb for a sixth seemed the best bet.

I guess, the question is, how many wins does it take to win back the fans?
Only 6 of 16 NFC teams get into the playoffs...we can't all go.


So, our receivers/TE's have a total of 4 TD's...AP has 9...and TJ and CT have 1 each as well....hmmmm.
Sort of proves what I'm saying, doesn't it?
Of the 15 total offensive TD's, AP is responsible for 60% of them.
And most of them are ALL AP (He seems to prefer to score from way out
;)).

Yes, AP is using his blocking better.
But then that just shows that AP is getting better, not that Chiller is.

It isn't just the lack of getting one of the QB's or WR's out there, it's the totality of the Brad Childress Experience.
Many of us are left feeling a bit flat after watching a formerly dynamic team come out and play like pooh week after week.
Those of us who watched the team steadily improve under Tice - despite being saddled with Red *Lamb Lover* McCombs - were shocked to see us completely fall apart last season.
A season which featured the weakest schedule we'd seen in years!!!
Couple that with the complete lack of improvement in anyone not named Peterson (On offense), and the frustration grows.

Yes, the players aren't making plays.
But it's the Coaches job to help them do so, and if they can't, to get someone who CAN.
Aside from having AP fall into his lap, Childress has NOT done that.
And THAT is his greatest sin in my opinion.

Caine

bigbadragz
11-06-2007, 05:07 PM
caine is totally right, and to give childress a pass like he was forced to take tavaris in the draft, and the he didn't want to start tavaris this year but was forced to by the front office, and then that thigpen was some indication that childress was weary of tavaris is just ridiculous excuses that is nothing more than speculation.
for christ sake they cut thigpen.
i wont try to claim childress had alot of choices in free agency but the bottom line is all his qbs have looked the same.
whether its a super bowl winning veteran, career backups, or a 2nd year player.

he's consistently run the offense conservatively, preferring to punt, then try to get first downs cuz it might cause a turnover.
he goes for 4th and 1s on his own 30, but will kick the field goal on a 4th and 1 on the other teams goaline.
his 2 minute offense doesn't exist, we've struggle to get in the redzone or get first downs for 2 years, the offensive line isn't exactly young outside cook, or considered untalented but have consistent breakdowns. between acting agressive and then becoming ultra conservative i really think he doesn't know what he wants to do half the time.
we lose by 3 in kc and he wouldnt attempt a 51 yard field goal and punted, but then we attempt 51+ field goals several times since then.
and dont anyone use the weather, it was early september and beautiful.
he's a big part of the problem, progress should be seen in some capacity, and peterson being a freak does not count.

jargomcfargo
11-06-2007, 05:45 PM
"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:




I'm telling you guys, this is Cajun....LMFAO


Name is Aaron. Feel free to call me here in NY if you wish. I'm at work at the Blackstone Group.
212-583-5650


The Swartz-Peter group. Shiesters.

Schutz
11-06-2007, 05:57 PM
Derek Anderson is not worth a first and third pick, let me repeat that.
DEREK ANDERSON IS NOT WORTH A 1ST AND 3RD ROUND PICK.
Because that's what will take us to get him, and we don't have a WR like Edwards, or a TE like Winslow.
Maybe Derek Anderson would be ok on our team, but ok isn't a 1st and a 3rd that they would demand.
Mcnabb is going to be a free agent why not get him, he'll be as good if not better than Anderson and we'll still have our draft picks.
Too many QBs that can be on the level of Anderson are going to be out there when we need a QB who can complete and limit turnovers and know the system.

C Mac D
11-06-2007, 06:01 PM
"ACMEAaron" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:




I'm telling you guys, this is Cajun....LMFAO


Name is Aaron. Feel free to call me here in NY if you wish. I'm at work at the Blackstone Group.
212-583-5650


Oh shit! I'm in NYC also... maybe that's why it's so obvious to us that Childress is a joke... an outsider's opinion. That's gotta be it, or just blind loyalty... But I love the Vikings and can still see it... so.....

PurpleGator
11-06-2007, 06:13 PM
Genius and Chilldress should never go in the same sentence.

Purple Floyd
11-06-2007, 06:37 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.

NordicNed
11-06-2007, 06:44 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.









Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....

Purple Floyd
11-06-2007, 06:51 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.









Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.

ultravikingfan
11-06-2007, 08:56 PM
"mountainviking" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!


BB fully missed the first snap, and then got sacked immediately on the next...poor execution by him and the line.
You think BB's record of fumbling snaps and other stupid mistakes played into the slow play calling in the horrible two minute drill?
He had just come in.


Blah, blah, blah with the defining people for what kind of fan you perceive them to be.
That pooh doesn't fly around here.

I took the time and put together Bollinger's sack and fumble.
BTW, he was sacked first and then the botched snap...get it right.

On the sack the Chargers only bring 4.
Herrera gets totally beat...bigger than pooh.
Brooks didn't even have a chance.


On the snap, Birk saw the defender jump and he snapped the ball; like he is supposed to do and we get a free play.
When he did snap it Brooks was checking down the line.
He did not see the DE jump, so that's his fault?
Point is the ball was not snapped on the given count because most of the line did not move.


All right, I didn't see that DE jump either...you got me there.
As for order, WTF?
OOOOOO, So Sorry I didn't take the time to tivo up the exact plays, but the point is, Two bad plays to start doesn't exactly tell me the team has loads of confidence in BB...recall that 3rd preseason game and how BB looked?
How about that Detroit loss?
As for line execution, yup, called that one, its in bold above.
As for the fans, like others, I calls them as I sees them, and right about now, I'm a bit disappointed in some of our fan base...not just on PPO, but more importantly, the lack of cheering I'm hearing from the Dome.
If the only thing fools have to say is, "Fire Childress," with no support whatsoever, I'd rather not have their posts in the mix.
Who the hell do they think is going to take over mid season???
Bevell?
Frazier?
For better or worse, we've got him for at least this year, may as well root for your team!

I'm not here to piss anyone off...even though others sometimes get me fired up!
I read all the posts in a thread I participate in and am open to seeing things from another angle if it is presented...I've learned a lot about football here.
I'm just sick of empty posts by those who refuse to see the bigger picture.




Don't be a panzy, you were fricken wrong.
You tried dogging out Brooks on the fumble and sack and you blew it.
You are dancing around it now to try and save what you have left of credibility.

And if you are not here to piss anyone off, you are off to a good start pissing people off.
Saying:


Some of you are sorry excuses for Vikings fans!

pisses people off here.
Like you are the role model for a fan?
One that bitches about a player and is not even close on his assessment?

I made that video and handed you your butt.

Your welcome for the wake-up call.

-late

singersp
11-06-2007, 09:04 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"mountainviking" wrote:


You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.










Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done shit at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.

Schutz
11-06-2007, 09:08 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.









Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done pooh at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


People are still missing the point, it would cost us as a team too much to begin with.
Do you really want the Vikes to cough up a 1st and 3rd for Brady or Anderson just to see if they can work in our offense?
Why not go after a QB I think could really work in our system like Mcnabb or especially Pennington.
And then we still have our draft.

singersp
11-06-2007, 09:13 PM
"Schutz" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:






You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.










Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done pooh at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


People are still missing the point, it would cost us as a team too much to begin with.
Do you really want the Vikes to cough up a 1st and 3rd for Brady or Anderson just to see if they can work in our offense?
Why not go after a QB I think could really work in our system like Mcnabb or especially Pennington.
And then we still have our draft.


I think we need both a vetreran & another rookie during the draft. McNabb possibly because he would fit into the system, but Pennigton I wouldn't touch.

NordicNed
11-06-2007, 09:22 PM
Quinn, will turn out to be the QB that TJ wishes he could be.....Trust me on this one......



Quinn got screwed in the draft.........Now before anyone says anything.
I don't like his personality or his cockyness, but I believe he can and will be one hell of a QB........If we had the chance to grab him, I would in a second...

singersp
11-06-2007, 09:26 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:




Quinn, will turn out to be the QB that TJ wishes he could be.....Trust me on this one......


Quinn got screwed in the draft.........Now before anyone says anything.
I don't like his personality or his cockyness, but I believe he can and will be one hell of a QB........If we had the chance to grab him, I would in a second...


Who was the one you said that about last year? Charlie Whitehurst wasn't it?

Where is he now?
:P

Schutz
11-06-2007, 09:38 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Schutz" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:








You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.









Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done pooh at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


People are still missing the point, it would cost us as a team too much to begin with.
Do you really want the Vikes to cough up a 1st and 3rd for Brady or Anderson just to see if they can work in our offense?
Why not go after a QB I think could really work in our system like Mcnabb or especially Pennington.
And then we still have our draft.


I think we need both a vetreran & another rookie during the draft. McNabb possibly because he would fit into the system, but Pennigton I wouldn't touch.


I would disagree, Pennington has always been an accurate QB, and can throw a little ways down field, I think he would be a good 2-4 year vet for us, we'd run alot and it would open up the pass game for him.
Something he hasn't had since martin retired.

Purple Floyd
11-06-2007, 09:46 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:




You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.









Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done shit at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


Or one interception ;)

I would still take him over anyone on our roster right now. Would you rather stay with what we have?

PurpleGator
11-06-2007, 10:14 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:






You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.










Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done pooh at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


Or one interception ;)

I would still take him over anyone on our roster right now. Would you rather stay with what we have?


We should of traded up for Brady.

marshallvike
11-06-2007, 10:25 PM
"PurpleGator" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:








You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.










Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done pooh at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


Or one interception ;)

I would still take him over anyone on our roster right now. Would you rather stay with what we have?


We should of traded up for Brady.



what?????
i was thinking the same thing on draft day. i would have preffered quinn over AD. now i think i was an idiot. my crow tastes good.

Purple Floyd
11-06-2007, 10:53 PM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"PurpleGator" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:










You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.









Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done pooh at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


Or one interception ;)

I would still take him over anyone on our roster right now. Would you rather stay with what we have?


We should of traded up for Brady.



what?????
i was thinking the same thing on draft day. i would have preffered quinn over AD. now i think i was an idiot. my crow tastes good.


I had AP as the #1 pick in the draft over both Russell and Calvin Johnson. My guess is Quinn isn't going to be here nor is Anderson. There will, however, be a player on somebodies roster that can help us out if we can identify that person and sign them.

bigbadragz
11-07-2007, 12:57 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"PurpleGator" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:












You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.










Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done pooh at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


Or one interception ;)

I would still take him over anyone on our roster right now. Would you rather stay with what we have?


We should of traded up for Brady.



what?????
i was thinking the same thing on draft day. i would have preffered quinn over AD. now i think i was an idiot. my crow tastes good.


I had AP as the #1 pick in the draft over both Russell and Calvin Johnson. My guess is Quinn isn't going to be here nor is Anderson. There will, however, be a player on somebodies roster that can help us out if we can identify that person and sign them.

whatever does happen after the season i'd like at least one qb to be able to play out the rest of the season so we can create some kinda of rhytm in the passing game.
despite everyone thinking we can just run peterson 30 times a game and win, if we stand any chance on going on a run here we need to just find one play a game like the rice play and i guarantee we win football games.

CCthebest
11-07-2007, 01:20 AM
I think McNabb is the best choice right now. Heck if we had him right now we could win 5 more games this year i bet. We need to get himright away. Overpay him like we have overpaid others on the team. We need a QB next yeat and BB and TJ aernt it.

tgorsegner
11-07-2007, 01:25 AM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"marshallvike" wrote:


"PurpleGator" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:














You guys are pretty funny.

I don't think anyone actually called him a genius.
Just a coach doing what he can with what he's got.

I'm with you on that Marr...D Anderson sounds good.
Doubt they'll let him go at this point though.
And, TJack might develop into a decent QB someday.
Look how the Brees/Rivers thing worked out in SD.
Took Brees about four years to get his pooh together...right around the time they were ready to replace him.


Too bad Thigpen got stolen.

I agree.
I think he, given time, could have been a nice fit.


Wonder how hard KC will try to keep him on the roster.


Funny thing about thigpen and anderson is that Anderson was with the Ravens, who liked him, but they tried to sneak him through waivers and Cleveland snagged him up. The same thing happened to us with thigpen. Anderson was a 6th rounder. Thigpen was what? a seventh? Close enough.

IMO the Browns will keep Anderson and end up shopping Brady.










Hell, either way I'de be happy picking up Anderson or Brady.
But one thing for sure, Cleveland won't keep both......But they sure are in a tough spot deciding which one has to go.......I know I wouldn't want to have to make that decision.....


Me too. I really think if we look around, there will be a good QB on the market, I just hope we stop bringing in the Mcmahon/O'Sullivan/Bollinger/Detmer/Holcolm stuff and get a great one.

I would be happy with Quinn, Anderson, Thigpen, etc.


Quinn hasn't done pooh at the pro level in a regular season game yet.

Not one snap, not one hand-off, not one pass.


Or one interception ;)

I would still take him over anyone on our roster right now. Would you rather stay with what we have?


We should of traded up for Brady.



what?????
i was thinking the same thing on draft day. i would have preffered quinn over AD. now i think i was an idiot. my crow tastes good.


I had AP as the #1 pick in the draft over both Russell and Calvin Johnson. My guess is Quinn isn't going to be here nor is Anderson. There will, however, be a player on somebodies roster that can help us out if we can identify that person and sign them.

whatever does happen after the season i'd like at least one qb to be able to play out the rest of the season so we can create some kinda of rhytm in the passing game.
despite everyone thinking we can just run peterson 30 times a game and win, if we stand any chance on going on a run here we need to just find one play a game like the rice play and i guarantee we win football games.




brooks bollinger is the best of our now 4 qb's. might as well let him start until he proves more than just once he shouldnt. and we should be able to find a jon kitna, gus frototte (remember him. he was a pretty decent backup for daunte), somebody who can play ball control and not make alot of completely idiotic plays, while still getting an occasional ball to a wr. thats all it will take to win. brooks might even be that guy. im all for giving him his chance... i for one do not want mcnabb for anything. its almost like saying you want daunte back, or michael vick. all three of them were premire a few years ago but are on the downside and are overrated. (not even considering the fact one of them is in jail)

HornedHat
11-07-2007, 01:31 AM
At this point, Bollinger does seem like our best option (sigh). He's better than Brooks DetJackComb, or Koy BollJackComb, or Kelly BollDetJack, or Tavaris DetBollComb.

Caine
11-07-2007, 05:15 AM
Depending upon how we finish....it MIGHT be worth a 1st and 3rd to get Anderson, but I'm not sure it's the best option yet.
We'll have the opportunity to see how he finishes the season before the Vikes have to decide to pull the trigger or pass on him.
Or, the Browns MIGHT keep him another year and let Quinn develop more...not out of the realm of possibilities.

I am certain that Jackson isn't ready, and I'm not certain he ever will be.
He has a great arm for distance, but his accuracy blows and he gets banged up pretty quick.
Groin, finger, noggin...we need a guy who can play through (everything but the noggin) and do so at a high level.
And he hasn't displayed that high level even when NOT injured.

I am certain that Holcomb isn't the guy.
He seems to get flustered quick, and doesn't seem to recover.
The more I see of him, the more I understand why he's been bounced a few times.
11 years in and he's never latched on to a starting job...sort of says something to me (Like "Not The Guy").

Brooks Bollinger, for as much as he has been maligned here, has been the most impressive of the three thus far.
He's been shaken a few times, but he gets back up and gets back on track.
Once he lost the "Deer in headlights" look versus San Diego he wound up having a pretty decent showing.
Not enough to have the "Future of the Vikings" label slapped on him, but enough for me to think that he may be our best bet for THIS season.

Ty Detmer.....Ty Detmer?
Are you friggin kidding me?!?!?!?
Have things sunk that low?

Honestly, I don't know what to do about the QB situation.
Right now there is nothing we CAN do...except keep draging the bottom, hoping to find someone with a bit of life left in them (Why not Jeff George?).
I played QB when I was 12 in pick-up games in teh neighborhood....maybe they'll sign me?

Caine

digital420
11-07-2007, 05:40 AM
as it is we don't have much to go with.

I agree with Caine Holycrap is NOT THE GUY!!

BB is a backup.. emergency QB that won't loose a game for ya.

Tjack.
hasn't Proven he can be the MAN. he has talent. he has the desire. we'll see if he can shape his skillz to be a winning QB, but with him hurt more now then has ever been in his career.. the foreshadowing is kinda reminding me of a E.A. Poe story.

don't get me wrong. I support Bchill in his adherence to build this kid into an NFL calibar QB. but i think it's gonna take a bit longer then they expected. and with the talent we have now. it's a bit scary to let him out ther to the wolves unprotected by his skills.

as for the starter we use now..
lets base it on a few things.

1. That TD throw to Rice.
a. Tjack could make the throw.. but would he overthrow it? or lead him out of bounds?
b. Holycrap couldn't make the throw that far.. he even admits his arm strength isn't there.
c. BB can make that toss. and we saw his accuracy was
bit here and there.
BUT
he did do it..

2. Game experience.
a. Tjack is getting it.. but.. at what cost?
b. Holycrap h as tons.. but seems the least able to do anything with it
c. BB has more experience then Tjack.. and seems to handle himself after he finds a rythem.

3. Skill level
a. Tjack is potential.. he's learning, he's growing.. and he's improving.
b. Holycrap is declining. he knows how to use his eyes to look off D players.. but doesn't have the ability to avoid th em.
c. BB i think is at his potential limit. he won't grow much more except maybe in how to read D's quicker

4. Future
a. Tjack like it or not is our future at this moment.. he's just started and has a long way he can go
b. Holycrap is near the end. after us.. will another team want him?
ie
Bj?
c. BB has years left on him.. and he doesn't seem upset to be in the backup role.. (is this a possible #2 for us next year?
maybe emergency #3?
or do we draft)


so looking at the criteria here.. I still would have to back Tjack in the start.. and keep holycrap as the #3 untill we find a better #2.. or draft our #3

DiGiTaL

singersp
11-07-2007, 06:18 AM
"digital420" wrote:


as it is we don't have much to go with.

I agree with Caine Holycrap is NOT THE GUY!!

BB is a backup.. emergency QB that won't loose a game for ya.

Tjack.
hasn't Proven he can be the MAN. he has talent. he has the desire. we'll see if he can shape his skillz to be a winning QB, but with him hurt more now then has ever been in his career.. the foreshadowing is kinda reminding me of a E.A. Poe story.

don't get me wrong. I support Bchill in his adherence to build this kid into an NFL calibar QB. but i think it's gonna take a bit longer then they expected. and with the talent we have now. it's a bit scary to let him out ther to the wolves unprotected by his skills.

as for the starter we use now..
lets base it on a few things.

1. That TD throw to Rice.
a. Tjack could make the throw.. but would he overthrow it? or lead him out of bounds?
b. Holycrap couldn't make the throw that far.. he even admits his arm strength isn't there.
c. BB can make that toss. and we saw his accuracy was
bit here and there.
BUT
he did do it..

2. Game experience.
a. Tjack is getting it.. but.. at what cost?
b. Holycrap h as tons.. but seems the least able to do anything with it
c. BB has more experience then Tjack.. and seems to handle himself after he finds a rythem.

3. Skill level
a. Tjack is potential.. he's learning, he's growing.. and he's improving.
b. Holycrap is declining. he knows how to use his eyes to look off D players.. but doesn't have the ability to avoid th em.
c. BB i think is at his potential limit. he won't grow much more except maybe in how to read D's quicker

4. Future
a. Tjack like it or not is our future at this moment.. he's just started and has a long way he can go
b. Holycrap is near the end. after us.. will another team want him?
ie
Bj?
c. BB has years left on him.. and he doesn't seem upset to be in the backup role.. (is this a possible #2 for us next year?
maybe emergency #3?
or do we draft)


so looking at the criteria here.. I still would have to back Tjack in the start.. and keep holycrap as the #3 untill we find a better #2.. or draft our #3

DiGiTaL



I've said it before & I'll say it again. I don't think you can bring in a young QB such as T-Jack & have success into grooming him in to a starting role until you have a solid line up front that will deliver pass protection & a solid receiving corp that can get open & catch just about everything thrown their way.

We aren't there yet with line & will never get there until we improve the right side & put a FB or TE in there to pick up whoever McKinnie lets slide by, but our receiving corp is looking better & better every game they play.

singersp
11-07-2007, 07:25 AM
"Caine" wrote:



Ty Detmer.....Ty Detmer?
Are you friggin kidding me?!?!?!?
Have things sunk that low?

But at least I know you'll enjoy the fact that CB Ronyell Whitaker was waived to clear a spot for Detmer on the roster.

Honestly, I don't know what to do about the QB situation.
Right now there is nothing we CAN do...except keep draging the bottom, hoping to find someone with a bit of life left in them (Why not Jeff George?).
I played QB when I was 12 in pick-up games in teh neighborhood....maybe they'll sign me?

Caine



They signed Koy Detmer, not Ty Detmer.
;)

Player




| G |
Comp

Att

PCT

YD

Y/A
TD INT |
Att
Yards
TD

Ty Detmer

| 56 |

546

946
57.7
6351

6.7
34
35 |

72

177

3

Koy Detmer | 84 |

184

354
52.0
1944

5.5
10
14 |

31

30

1

Purple Floyd
11-07-2007, 08:43 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Caine" wrote:



Ty Detmer.....Ty Detmer?
Are you friggin kidding me?!?!?!?
Have things sunk that low?

But at least I know you'll enjoy the fact that CB Ronyell Whitaker was waived to clear a spot for Detmer on the roster.

Honestly, I don't know what to do about the QB situation.
Right now there is nothing we CAN do...except keep draging the bottom, hoping to find someone with a bit of life left in them (Why not Jeff George?).
I played QB when I was 12 in pick-up games in teh neighborhood....maybe they'll sign me?

Caine



They signed Koy Detmer, not Ty Detmer.
;)

Player



| G |
Comp
Att
PCT

YD
Y/A
TD INT |
Att
Yards
TD

Ty Detmer
| 56 |
546
946
57.7
6351
6.7
34
35 |

72
177
3

Koy Detmer | 84 |
184
354
52.0
1944
5.5
10
14 |

31

30
1


The stats tell us we signed the wrong Detmer lol

Prophet
11-07-2007, 09:22 AM
Funny thread title.
He was never a genius nor an idiot.
However, he does know more about football than anybody on this forum.
So, if he's an idiot like some of you think and he's brighter than you what does that make you?
Oh, wait, everyone is an idiot.

bigbadragz
11-07-2007, 06:02 PM
"Caine" wrote:


Depending upon how we finish....it MIGHT be worth a 1st and 3rd to get Anderson, but I'm not sure it's the best option yet.
We'll have the opportunity to see how he finishes the season before the Vikes have to decide to pull the trigger or pass on him.
Or, the Browns MIGHT keep him another year and let Quinn develop more...not out of the realm of possibilities.

I am certain that Jackson isn't ready, and I'm not certain he ever will be.
He has a great arm for distance, but his accuracy blows and he gets banged up pretty quick.
Groin, finger, noggin...we need a guy who can play through (everything but the noggin) and do so at a high level.
And he hasn't displayed that high level even when NOT injured.

I am certain that Holcomb isn't the guy.
He seems to get flustered quick, and doesn't seem to recover.
The more I see of him, the more I understand why he's been bounced a few times.
11 years in and he's never latched on to a starting job...sort of says something to me (Like "Not The Guy").

Brooks Bollinger, for as much as he has been maligned here, has been the most impressive of the three thus far.
He's been shaken a few times, but he gets back up and gets back on track.
Once he lost the "Deer in headlights" look versus San Diego he wound up having a pretty decent showing.
Not enough to have the "Future of the Vikings" label slapped on him, but enough for me to think that he may be our best bet for THIS season.

Ty Detmer.....Ty Detmer?
Are you friggin kidding me?!?!?!?
Have things sunk that low?

Honestly, I don't know what to do about the QB situation.
Right now there is nothing we CAN do...except keep draging the bottom, hoping to find someone with a bit of life left in them (Why not Jeff George?).
I played QB when I was 12 in pick-up games in teh neighborhood....maybe they'll sign me?

Caine



i think you are right in most of what you say, but i have a feeling with some of tjacks injuries that was childress playing games at qb cuz he was unsure if he made the right decision starting tjack.
he broke his finger, sat out one week and then it was healed enough to play with.
i dont remember bones healing in a week.
and the groin he was overly cautious with cuz i fee like tjack would have played if childress pushed it more.

i think for better or worse you have latch on to tjack just so you have some answer at seasons end.
i mean of course the guy has to be healthy but it's safe to say bollinger is not our future, and even if we do play somewhat better with him it's not as if we are making some sick playoff run becuz of him.
i'm not completely convinced after 2 halves that he's the answer.
my feeling is if the vikes fucked up their season by starting tjack, then you better play the kid and see if he's worth any sorta job.
and just for the record i still don't blame the qb play for our record cuz the league is littered with teams with poor qb play and winning records.
we've managed games very poorly and when you lose by one score 4 weeks that makes a huge difference

singersp
11-07-2007, 08:34 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


Funny thread title.
He was never a genius nor an idiot.
However, he does know more about football than anybody on this forum.
So, if he's an idiot like some of you think and he's brighter than you what does that make you?
Oh, wait, everyone is an idiot.


We also all have skulls, ergo we are all boneheads.
:P

jessejames09
11-07-2007, 09:01 PM
Yes!

Angel_Martin
11-07-2007, 09:21 PM
I guess what I was getting at all along is I think people are too hard on the coach when the team loses and they give him too much credit when the team wins.

Actually, there are a lot of people who STILL rip on him even after the team wins -- that's interesting. People need to realize that there are always going to be flaws or errors in every game and it is almost impossible for EVERY play to be run flawlessly just as you drew it up. Just because the team wins does not necessarily mean the coach did a great job and just because the team loses does not necessarily mean the coach did a bad job. Sometimes fans have a hard time realizing that.....

No, I wouldn't say Childress is a genius, but I think he is probably better than a lot of people give him credit for, too. I think he deserves more time from the fans. I think there are a lot of Vikings fans that are just LOOKING for a reason to rip the guy. If you rip him --- fine --- but I say you have to be fair and give him some props for the San Diego game because I thought he did a pretty good job.

NordicNed
11-07-2007, 09:32 PM
"Angel_Martin" wrote:


I guess what I was getting at all along is I think people are too hard on the coach when the team loses and they give him too much credit when the team wins.

Actually, there are a lot of people who STILL rip on him even after the team wins -- that's interesting. People need to realize that there are always going to be flaws or errors in every game and it is almost impossible for EVERY play to be run flawlessly just as you drew it up. Just because the team wins does not necessarily mean the coach did a great job and just because the team loses does not necessarily mean the coach did a bad job. Sometimes fans have a hard time realizing that.....

No, I wouldn't say Childress is a genius, but I think he is probably getting to be a better football coach and he deserves more time from the fans. I think there are a lot of Vikings fans that are just LOOKING for a reason to rip the guy. If you rip him --- fine --- but I say you have to be fair and give him some props for the San Diego game because I thought he did a pretty good job.







To me this is the key.






We are a young team with young players, many being rookies or second year players, who are not only learning, but starting in games.
This has always been an issue with any team doing the same, and the road has it's up's and downs for sure.







At the same time, we have a coach who is still very young, as far as being a head coach goes, and he also is learning and adjusting as he goes along that up and down road.






But I've been seeing more ups than downs as the games go by and even though they may be slow coming, they are doing just that, slowly I see things getting better for us.






I don't expect any miricals this season, but as long as I keep seeing us grow in a positive note, I'll be happy.

Because I believe with one more off season, and going thru another FA period and one more Draft of some very good picks, this team is and will be a very major force next season.....I see it all coming together next year and we will all be whistling a different tune come that time...

Angel_Martin
11-07-2007, 09:58 PM
That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think the team is growing and
the coach is growing, albeit a little slower than some Vikings fans want. I think things are coming together and the team is a lot more competitive than earlier in the season. That is the first sign of growth. We ARE playing better.

We still do not have a Super Bowl caliber QB and this offense suffers quite a bit for it. However, the Ravens went to the Super Bowl with a marginal QB and a good RB (Lewis) and strong defense.
Maybe this is the model to follow until and unless we get a strong QB. I still think we need to draft a QB next year as well as land someone through a trade or free agency. If we draft a QB, fans should not expect him to be ready right away and rushed into action - that is a huge mistake to rush in a QB before they are ready, even if it is a a guy you draft high in the first round, much less a reach in the second round....

bigbadragz
11-08-2007, 11:34 PM
"Angel_Martin" wrote:


That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think the team is growing and
the coach is growing, albeit a little slower than some Vikings fans want. I think things are coming together and the team is a lot more competitive than earlier in the season. That is the first sign of growth. We ARE playing better.

We still do not have a Super Bowl caliber QB and this offense suffers quite a bit for it. However, the Ravens went to the Super Bowl with a marginal QB and a good RB (Lewis) and strong defense.
Maybe this is the model to follow until and unless we get a strong QB. I still think we need to draft a QB next year as well as land someone through a trade or free agency. If we draft a QB, fans should not expect him to be ready right away and rushed into action - that is a huge mistake to rush in a QB before they are ready, even if it is a a guy you draft high in the first round, much less a reach in the second round....

my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
why are we sitting at 3-5 with more talent than some?
the ravens have been terrible at qb, 4-4.
vince young is far from being good, 6-2.
anderson has somehow become productive 5-3, buffalo flip flopping qbs every week winning record, skins and jason cambell not good winning record, carolina, kc.
there are alot of examples of teams with mediocre to poor qb play and they are still in the thick of things, and in most cases those teams have less talent on paper.
so to me it's on the coach to make things work cuz we are in no worse a situation than half the league.

ultravikingfan
11-08-2007, 11:59 PM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Angel_Martin" wrote:


That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think the team is growing and
the coach is growing, albeit a little slower than some Vikings fans want. I think things are coming together and the team is a lot more competitive than earlier in the season. That is the first sign of growth. We ARE playing better.

We still do not have a Super Bowl caliber QB and this offense suffers quite a bit for it. However, the Ravens went to the Super Bowl with a marginal QB and a good RB (Lewis) and strong defense.
Maybe this is the model to follow until and unless we get a strong QB. I still think we need to draft a QB next year as well as land someone through a trade or free agency. If we draft a QB, fans should not expect him to be ready right away and rushed into action - that is a huge mistake to rush in a QB before they are ready, even if it is a a guy you draft high in the first round, much less a reach in the second round....

my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
why are we sitting at 3-5 with more talent than some?
the ravens have been terrible at qb, 4-4.
vince young is far from being good, 6-2.
anderson has somehow become productive 5-3, buffalo flip flopping qbs every week winning record, skins and jason cambell not good winning record, carolina, kc.
there are alot of examples of teams with mediocre to poor qb play and they are still in the thick of things, and in most cases those teams have less talent on paper.
so to me it's on the coach to make things work cuz we are in no worse a situation than half the league.



Name them.

V-Unit
11-09-2007, 12:12 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Angel_Martin" wrote:


That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think the team is growing and
the coach is growing, albeit a little slower than some Vikings fans want. I think things are coming together and the team is a lot more competitive than earlier in the season. That is the first sign of growth. We ARE playing better.

We still do not have a Super Bowl caliber QB and this offense suffers quite a bit for it. However, the Ravens went to the Super Bowl with a marginal QB and a good RB (Lewis) and strong defense.
Maybe this is the model to follow until and unless we get a strong QB. I still think we need to draft a QB next year as well as land someone through a trade or free agency. If we draft a QB, fans should not expect him to be ready right away and rushed into action - that is a huge mistake to rush in a QB before they are ready, even if it is a a guy you draft high in the first round, much less a reach in the second round....

my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
why are we sitting at 3-5 with more talent than some?
the ravens have been terrible at qb, 4-4.
vince young is far from being good, 6-2.
anderson has somehow become productive 5-3, buffalo flip flopping qbs every week winning record, skins and jason cambell not good winning record, carolina, kc.
there are alot of examples of teams with mediocre to poor qb play and they are still in the thick of things, and in most cases those teams have less talent on paper.
so to me it's on the coach to make things work cuz we are in no worse a situation than half the league.



Name them.


Personally, I thought he listed a few.

Good Teams with Average QBs:
Buffalo
Cleveland
Baltimore
Tennesee
Jacksonville
Kansas City
San Diego
Washington
Carolina

You could say 1/4 of teams above .500 have an average QB, or 1/2 of the teams without a losing record have an average QB.

ultravikingfan
11-09-2007, 01:33 AM
"V" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Angel_Martin" wrote:


That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think the team is growing and
the coach is growing, albeit a little slower than some Vikings fans want. I think things are coming together and the team is a lot more competitive than earlier in the season. That is the first sign of growth. We ARE playing better.

We still do not have a Super Bowl caliber QB and this offense suffers quite a bit for it. However, the Ravens went to the Super Bowl with a marginal QB and a good RB (Lewis) and strong defense.
Maybe this is the model to follow until and unless we get a strong QB. I still think we need to draft a QB next year as well as land someone through a trade or free agency. If we draft a QB, fans should not expect him to be ready right away and rushed into action - that is a huge mistake to rush in a QB before they are ready, even if it is a a guy you draft high in the first round, much less a reach in the second round....

my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
why are we sitting at 3-5 with more talent than some?
the ravens have been terrible at qb, 4-4.
vince young is far from being good, 6-2.
anderson has somehow become productive 5-3, buffalo flip flopping qbs every week winning record, skins and jason cambell not good winning record, carolina, kc.
there are alot of examples of teams with mediocre to poor qb play and they are still in the thick of things, and in most cases those teams have less talent on paper.
so to me it's on the coach to make things work cuz we are in no worse a situation than half the league.



Name them.


Personally, I thought he listed a few.

Good Teams with Average QBs:
Buffalo
Cleveland
Baltimore
Tennesee
Jacksonville
Kansas City
San Diego
Washington
Carolina

You could say 1/4 of teams above .500 have an average QB, or 1/2 of the teams without a losing record have an average QB.


And they always find a way to win.
If those teams are .500 teams they obviously always do not find ways to win.
They do half of the time.

bigbadragz
11-09-2007, 02:04 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Angel_Martin" wrote:


That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think the team is growing and
the coach is growing, albeit a little slower than some Vikings fans want. I think things are coming together and the team is a lot more competitive than earlier in the season. That is the first sign of growth. We ARE playing better.

We still do not have a Super Bowl caliber QB and this offense suffers quite a bit for it. However, the Ravens went to the Super Bowl with a marginal QB and a good RB (Lewis) and strong defense.
Maybe this is the model to follow until and unless we get a strong QB. I still think we need to draft a QB next year as well as land someone through a trade or free agency. If we draft a QB, fans should not expect him to be ready right away and rushed into action - that is a huge mistake to rush in a QB before they are ready, even if it is a a guy you draft high in the first round, much less a reach in the second round....

my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
why are we sitting at 3-5 with more talent than some?
the ravens have been terrible at qb, 4-4.
vince young is far from being good, 6-2.
anderson has somehow become productive 5-3, buffalo flip flopping qbs every week winning record, skins and jason cambell not good winning record, carolina, kc.
there are alot of examples of teams with mediocre to poor qb play and they are still in the thick of things, and in most cases those teams have less talent on paper.
so to me it's on the coach to make things work cuz we are in no worse a situation than half the league.



Name them.


Personally, I thought he listed a few.

Good Teams with Average QBs:
Buffalo
Cleveland
Baltimore
Tennesee
Jacksonville
Kansas City
San Diego
Washington
Carolina

You could say 1/4 of teams above .500 have an average QB, or 1/2 of the teams without a losing record have an average QB.


And they always find a way to win.
If those teams are .500 teams they obviously always do not find ways to win.
They do half of the time.

nice try ultra like i was just making shit up.

point is, for 2 years now we've had "sub par" qb play(which could also be blamed on childress) but always find a way to lose by one score.
if you play the game the same way all the time you end up with alot of the same result.
combined record over 2 years 9-15, losing probably most of those games by one score, and that's coincidental?


i'm tired of the excuses,our rebuilding being longer than other teams, our system is more complicated that other systems are, everybodies qbs are better than ours are.
We've seen quite a few 1st and 2nd year coaches have their teams turned around or showing improvement but we still look suprisingly similar to the team last year.
now there is still time to improve but is peterson basically exciting us, just to be let down again like after the bear game?

i've been waiting for this team to string together some solid efforts and for some reason under childress we haven't.
take that for whatever it is, but the fact is, plenty of other teams are finding ways to win enough not to be in the cellar and have the fans feeling like they are progressing.
i feel like we have a superstar taking over games.
3 wins, 3 games where peterson scores a td of 50 yards or more, in 2 of the games multiple tds.
again, coincidence?
i dont know

singersp
11-09-2007, 05:17 AM
"bigbadragz" wrote:



...is peterson basically exciting us, just to be let down again like after the bear game? ...



AD is the fore play of great things to come.

soonerbornNbred
11-09-2007, 05:47 AM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


[
i've been waiting for this team to string together some solid efforts and for some reason under childress we haven't.
take that for whatever it is, but the fact is, plenty of other teams are finding ways to win enough not to be in the cellar and have the fans feeling like they are progressing.
i feel like we have a superstar taking over games.
3 wins, 3 games where peterson scores a td of 50 yards or more, in 2 of the games multiple tds.
again, coincidence?
i dont know





I truly believe had TJ stayed healthy in the charger game you wouldnt have seen history being made...the first half of that game WAS the coaches gameplan....first half ended 14-7 after another ST coaching mistake



The second half the Coach wasnt able to use initial game plan and had to run what he brung, lucky him he had a top fueler in the garage

But to the teams credit the Defense had kept it close enough as they had for the past 2 years




I just think had he not been set on using his system "whatever" that is

this team would be 6-2 if not better...surely he will change his ways


I personally think the other Higher ups had more to do with picking AD the Brad did, and brad thought coming into the season, Chester your our man AD is here to spell you



I heard a couple of promising lines from his press conference though...not exact quotes but he said something along the lines of liking to evoke a teams will over another...and another one was "maybe during preseason we never got to see BB work with the ones now we are"

I think if Brad can stay out of his own way he might get lucky, but he does pull some stupid crap

ultravikingfan
11-09-2007, 08:05 AM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:




That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think the team is growing and
the coach is growing, albeit a little slower than some Vikings fans want. I think things are coming together and the team is a lot more competitive than earlier in the season. That is the first sign of growth. We ARE playing better.

We still do not have a Super Bowl caliber QB and this offense suffers quite a bit for it. However, the Ravens went to the Super Bowl with a marginal QB and a good RB (Lewis) and strong defense.
Maybe this is the model to follow until and unless we get a strong QB. I still think we need to draft a QB next year as well as land someone through a trade or free agency. If we draft a QB, fans should not expect him to be ready right away and rushed into action - that is a huge mistake to rush in a QB before they are ready, even if it is a a guy you draft high in the first round, much less a reach in the second round....

my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
why are we sitting at 3-5 with more talent than some?
the ravens have been terrible at qb, 4-4.
vince young is far from being good, 6-2.
anderson has somehow become productive 5-3, buffalo flip flopping qbs every week winning record, skins and jason cambell not good winning record, carolina, kc.
there are alot of examples of teams with mediocre to poor qb play and they are still in the thick of things, and in most cases those teams have less talent on paper.
so to me it's on the coach to make things work cuz we are in no worse a situation than half the league.



Name them.


Personally, I thought he listed a few.

Good Teams with Average QBs:
Buffalo
Cleveland
Baltimore
Tennesee
Jacksonville
Kansas City
San Diego
Washington
Carolina

You could say 1/4 of teams above .500 have an average QB, or 1/2 of the teams without a losing record have an average QB.


And they always find a way to win.
If those teams are .500 teams they obviously always do not find ways to win.
They do half of the time.

nice try ultra like i was just making shit up.

point is, for 2 years now we've had "sub par" qb play(which could also be blamed on childress) but always find a way to lose by one score.
if you play the game the same way all the time you end up with alot of the same result.
combined record over 2 years 9-15, losing probably most of those games by one score, and that's coincidental?


i'm tired of the excuses,our rebuilding being longer than other teams, our system is more complicated that other systems are, everybodies qbs are better than ours are.
We've seen quite a few 1st and 2nd year coaches have their teams turned around or showing improvement but we still look suprisingly similar to the team last year.
now there is still time to improve but is peterson basically exciting us, just to be let down again like after the bear game?

i've been waiting for this team to string together some solid efforts and for some reason under childress we haven't.
take that for whatever it is, but the fact is, plenty of other teams are finding ways to win enough not to be in the cellar and have the fans feeling like they are progressing.
i feel like we have a superstar taking over games.
3 wins, 3 games where peterson scores a td of 50 yards or more, in 2 of the games multiple tds.
again, coincidence?
i dont know


No, not making shit up...but not making a point at all.

You said, my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
You back that up with using the Ravens at 4-4 as if that is great, but we are in the cellar at 3-5; that's 1 game difference.

How can you say that the teams that are 4-4 find ways to win?
It's not like they are tearing it up at 4-4?



our system is more complicated that other systems are, everybodies qbs are better than ours are.


How the hell do you know that?
Do you study other teams systems?
If you did I doubt you would even understand them.


We've seen quite a few 1st and 2nd year coaches have their teams turned around or showing improvement but we still look suprisingly similar to the team last year.

Who?
Do you know for a fact or are you just guessing.
There are coaches that go in the opposite direction as well.
Saints ring a bell?


plenty of other teams are finding ways to win enough not to be in the cellar and have the fans feeling like they are progressing.

How do you know how those fans feel?
I bet some fans of 4-4 teams are not happy at all.

Do you just blindly type and hope some sort of thought is magically produced.

V-Unit
11-09-2007, 08:38 AM
I think its pretty obvious that Childress expected more from his Qbs than what he is currently getting. When he tempers those demands and lets the team play to their strengths, we play much better.

Personally, I was much more frustrated by the losses to KC, DET, and GB than I was for DAL, and PHI. Why? Because we were letting our passing attack lose the game for us. Since the Bears game I have been happy with the playcalling.

In other words, if a defense is able to shut down our running game, we deserve to lose.

bigbadragz
11-09-2007, 06:50 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:






That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think the team is growing and
the coach is growing, albeit a little slower than some Vikings fans want. I think things are coming together and the team is a lot more competitive than earlier in the season. That is the first sign of growth. We ARE playing better.

We still do not have a Super Bowl caliber QB and this offense suffers quite a bit for it. However, the Ravens went to the Super Bowl with a marginal QB and a good RB (Lewis) and strong defense.
Maybe this is the model to follow until and unless we get a strong QB. I still think we need to draft a QB next year as well as land someone through a trade or free agency. If we draft a QB, fans should not expect him to be ready right away and rushed into action - that is a huge mistake to rush in a QB before they are ready, even if it is a a guy you draft high in the first round, much less a reach in the second round....

my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
why are we sitting at 3-5 with more talent than some?
the ravens have been terrible at qb, 4-4.
vince young is far from being good, 6-2.
anderson has somehow become productive 5-3, buffalo flip flopping qbs every week winning record, skins and jason cambell not good winning record, carolina, kc.
there are alot of examples of teams with mediocre to poor qb play and they are still in the thick of things, and in most cases those teams have less talent on paper.
so to me it's on the coach to make things work cuz we are in no worse a situation than half the league.



Name them.


Personally, I thought he listed a few.

Good Teams with Average QBs:
Buffalo
Cleveland
Baltimore
Tennesee
Jacksonville
Kansas City
San Diego
Washington
Carolina

You could say 1/4 of teams above .500 have an average QB, or 1/2 of the teams without a losing record have an average QB.


And they always find a way to win.
If those teams are .500 teams they obviously always do not find ways to win.
They do half of the time.

nice try ultra like i was just making pooh up.

point is, for 2 years now we've had "sub par" qb play(which could also be blamed on childress) but always find a way to lose by one score.
if you play the game the same way all the time you end up with alot of the same result.
combined record over 2 years 9-15, losing probably most of those games by one score, and that's coincidental?


i'm tired of the excuses,our rebuilding being longer than other teams, our system is more complicated that other systems are, everybodies qbs are better than ours are.
We've seen quite a few 1st and 2nd year coaches have their teams turned around or showing improvement but we still look suprisingly similar to the team last year.
now there is still time to improve but is peterson basically exciting us, just to be let down again like after the bear game?

i've been waiting for this team to string together some solid efforts and for some reason under childress we haven't.
take that for whatever it is, but the fact is, plenty of other teams are finding ways to win enough not to be in the cellar and have the fans feeling like they are progressing.
i feel like we have a superstar taking over games.
3 wins, 3 games where peterson scores a td of 50 yards or more, in 2 of the games multiple tds.
again, coincidence?
i dont know


No, not making pooh up...but not making a point at all.

You said, my only gripe is there are alot of teams without a great, good, or mediocre qb, but they find ways to win.
You back that up with using the Ravens at 4-4 as if that is great, but we are in the cellar at 3-5; that's 1 game difference.

How can you say that the teams that are 4-4 find ways to win?
It's not like they are tearing it up at 4-4?



our system is more complicated that other systems are, everybodies qbs are better than ours are.


How the hell do you know that?
Do you study other teams systems?
If you did I doubt you would even understand them.


We've seen quite a few 1st and 2nd year coaches have their teams turned around or showing improvement but we still look suprisingly similar to the team last year.

Who?
Do you know for a fact or are you just guessing.
There are coaches that go in the opposite direction as well.
Saints ring a bell?


plenty of other teams are finding ways to win enough not to be in the cellar and have the fans feeling like they are progressing.

How do you know how those fans feel?
I bet some fans of 4-4 teams are not happy at all.

Do you just blindly type and hope some sort of thought is magically produced.

do you watch football or do you need everything explained to you?

rod marinelli, mike mccarthy, sean payton has the saints back on track.
herman edwards has them winning and had them make the playoffs last year, mangini, bad season or not this year, got them to 10-6 last year, mike tomlin, dick jauron.
there are plenty of examples of teams surprising the league by just being 4-4 or better.


not to mention those teams are still in the mix while we are sitting 2-3 games behind teams due to losing to these mediocre teams.
say we are middle of the road, but we're at home against another team thats mediocre, who should win?
we haven't.
we could have been in the playoff picture last year but lost to mediocre teams.
we could be sitting where green bay and detroit are, but no, we lose to mediocre teams.


the league is balanced and their are only a handful of good qbs so the excuses we hear, like our system is somehow more complicated than the other 31 teams, and that our qbs are just so bad, just doens't stand up.
if you can't see that we have just as much talent if not more than the tenesse titans, kc chiefs, philadelphia eagles, buffalo bills, and whoever else than you are blinded by your excuses.
and those teams have either beaten us or have a better record.
and as i asked in my other 2 posts that you failed to answer, all you did was ask more obvious questions, are our results coincidental or a pattern of how we are running things?
if we run our team the way we have the last 2 years the results have been obvious, in the game, lose by one score.

V-Unit
11-09-2007, 06:53 PM
I would rather be 4-4 right now than 3-5.

bigbadragz
11-09-2007, 07:16 PM
"V" wrote:


I would rather be 4-4 right now than 3-5.

exactly, and we should be but all 3 qbs have contributed to losses, and childress always contributes to losses.
bollingers fumble in the detroit game, after tjacks 4 picks, and i dont think i need to go into holcombs play.
then go back to johnson last year and the common theme is, all qbs look bad in this system.
shouldnt this system be qb friendly for christ sake.
i'm telling you, their handcuffing the qbs.

V-Unit
11-09-2007, 08:00 PM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"V" wrote:


I would rather be 4-4 right now than 3-5.

exactly, and we should be but all 3 qbs have contributed to losses, and childress always contributes to losses.
bollingers fumble in the detroit game, after tjacks 4 picks, and i dont think i need to go into holcombs play.
then go back to johnson last year and the common theme is, all qbs look bad in this system.
shouldnt this system be qb friendly for christ sake.
i'm telling you, their handcuffing the qbs.


Or you could say that none of those QBs are good enough to run the system, in which case we need to go out and find out a QB who can. Bollinger is the only one who still has a chance in my eyes. Can you really attribute that fumble to a complicated offensive scheme? If Bollinger comes in and plays as he has in the prior games, we'll be ok. Just be sure to give both Bollinger and Childress credit if that happens.

Finding the problem is easy, it is finding the solution that is difficult.

ultravikingfan
11-09-2007, 08:42 PM
"bigbadragz" wrote:



do you watch football or do you need everything explained to you?

rod marinelli, mike mccarthy, sean payton has the saints back on track.
herman edwards has them winning and had them make the playoffs last year, mangini, bad season or not this year, got them to 10-6 last year, mike tomlin, dick jauron.
there are plenty of examples of teams surprising the league by just being 4-4 or better.


not to mention those teams are still in the mix while we are sitting 2-3 games behind teams due to losing to these mediocre teams.
say we are middle of the road, but we're at home against another team thats mediocre, who should win?
we haven't.
we could have been in the playoff picture last year but lost to mediocre teams.
we could be sitting where green bay and detroit are, but no, we lose to mediocre teams.


the league is balanced and their are only a handful of good qbs so the excuses we hear, like our system is somehow more complicated than the other 31 teams, and that our qbs are just so bad, just doens't stand up.
if you can't see that we have just as much talent if not more than the tenesse titans, kc chiefs, philadelphia eagles, buffalo bills, and whoever else than you are blinded by your excuses.
and those teams have either beaten us or have a better record.
and as i asked in my other 2 posts that you failed to answer, all you did was ask more obvious questions, are our results coincidental or a pattern of how we are running things?
if we run our team the way we have the last 2 years the results have been obvious, in the game, lose by one score.



I do not watch every game, obviously you.

I think I see what you are saying, but you are all over the place.


It's easy for you (us) to say that the Vikings have so much more talent than teams that have a better recird than ours.
We may, but we sit here and read and watch the Vikings all the time.
We know how well, or bad, each player has done this year.
So, it's easy for us to be much more talented in our own eyes.

BTW, are you saying the Steelers are surprising this year?
How is that?
They have their starting QB healthy and playing well.
Not too surprising once you consider that.

bigbadragz
11-09-2007, 08:52 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:



do you watch football or do you need everything explained to you?

rod marinelli, mike mccarthy, sean payton has the saints back on track.
herman edwards has them winning and had them make the playoffs last year, mangini, bad season or not this year, got them to 10-6 last year, mike tomlin, slick willy jauron.
there are plenty of examples of teams surprising the league by just being 4-4 or better.


not to mention those teams are still in the mix while we are sitting 2-3 games behind teams due to losing to these mediocre teams.
say we are middle of the road, but we're at home against another team thats mediocre, who should win?
we haven't.
we could have been in the playoff picture last year but lost to mediocre teams.
we could be sitting where green bay and detroit are, but no, we lose to mediocre teams.


the league is balanced and their are only a handful of good qbs so the excuses we hear, like our system is somehow more complicated than the other 31 teams, and that our qbs are just so bad, just doens't stand up.
if you can't see that we have just as much talent if not more than the tenesse titans, kc chiefs, philadelphia eagles, buffalo bills, and whoever else than you are blinded by your excuses.
and those teams have either beaten us or have a better record.
and as i asked in my other 2 posts that you failed to answer, all you did was ask more obvious questions, are our results coincidental or a pattern of how we are running things?
if we run our team the way we have the last 2 years the results have been obvious, in the game, lose by one score.



I do not watch every game, obviously you.

I think I see what you are saying, but you are all over the place.


It's easy for you (us) to say that the Vikings have so much more talent than teams that have a better recird than ours.
We may, but we sit here and read and watch the Vikings all the time.
We know how well, or bad, each player has done this year.
So, it's easy for us to be much more talented in our own eyes.

BTW, are you saying the Steelers are surprising this year?
How is that?
They have their starting QB healthy and playing well.
Not too surprising once you consider that.



well i do watch alot of football.
obviously i'm not ron jaworski watching everyone's game film, but you can't tell me that most of the teams i listed are more talented than us.
and thats the point.
not only this year, but last year too.
losses to miami, san fran, st louis.
we have underachieved in my opinion, cuz i look around the league and i watch these teams play, and buffalo, kc, tennesse, carolina, tampa, washington, are all in better positions than us and i just dont believe they are better.
i mean we still have a whole 2nd half of the season and i think we are capable of going on a run, i'm just skeptical cuz we haven't done it under childress yet.

Jereamiah
11-10-2007, 02:26 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Jereamiah" wrote:


Whoa dude. That sack was not Herrera's fault. It was cook,s fault. Even if it was Herrera's fault, It was still Cook's fault. By DE-FAULT. Cook just being there ruined it for everyone. You can't seriously blame Herrera for that sack? Can you? ???
;D


Watch it again.
#64 Blows it!
Cook is the RT.
Herrera is the RG and the RDT gets the sack, #93.

Please check yourself.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/th_Brooks.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/stingphotos/?action=view&current=Brooks.flv)
I have checked myself thoroughly and still think it was cooks fault even though it was Herrera's fault, (the sack.) I saw the video, but I challenge you to show me that it was Herrera's fault. Cook was clearly to blame, even though it was Herrera's misshap and miss-block that caused the sack.
;D Seriously, Ultra, I know you will see this post later and you have no case. I stand by my earlier post and say again that cook just being there ruined it for everyone. ;D Herrera is the best lineman on the team. anyway, I've had a few beers. time to go to bed.
P.S It was really Herrera's fault, but Cook oozed some of his poison mojo onto Herrera and thus Cook was really at fault.

BadlandsVikings
11-11-2007, 04:03 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/f8cb34dc-d966-40d1-9021-6413652ad8e6.jpg

Freya
11-11-2007, 04:07 PM
Evidently he is a genuis at tanking a team. Oh, and crap treatment of players in mourning.

StillPurple
11-11-2007, 06:19 PM
Childress's concept just is not working. Running a "west coast offense" with a rookie (almost) QB, and some backups is not working. Running AP 11 times a game is not working. The way we play the Cover 2 is not working.

Other than that, all is well... ::)

What would have worked: keeping Brad Johnson for one more year. Keeping Marcus Robinson for one more year (to have some semblance of a passing game). Mentoring Jackson. Running the ball a lot more. On defense: playing the Cover 2 by pressing receivers on the line (which we are NOT doing). OR: abandon it and just play man coverage. Running AP left-side off Hutchinson. No more ridiculous "west coast offense" and "zone blocking" B.S. schemes that Childress thinks only he understands.

Someone once said, simple solutions are right in front of us, and we fail to see them. We think the "complex" solution is the only one that works. But the simple one is often better.

scottishvike
11-11-2007, 06:22 PM
I never thought there would come a time when It looked like the Tice years were a golden period for the Vikes, but Childress seems to have made it a reality.

StillPurple
11-11-2007, 06:25 PM
Childress to me is like a new manager that comes into a company with an MBA and then implements his "complex plan", that no one else understands, because we didn't get an MBA at Harvard or wherever. But everyone knows it is not working, and we all know - based on common sense - what would work (running AP off left side, having a QB with some experience, throwing the slant more, man coverage on defense, etc.).

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 06:34 PM
"scottishvike" wrote:


I never thought there would come a time when It looked like the Tice years were a golden period for the Vikes, but Childress seems to have made it a reality.


Childress is an AWFUL coach... I've been saying it since day one and everyone argued me... seems like a lot more of you are jumping on the bandwagon now.

Anyone with two eyes who at least understand a little about football can tell this guy has no clue. He is an arrogant ass who can't manage a game. He'll be gone by the end of this season.

I'll say it again... the guy has NO head-coaching experience at the Pro or collegiate level... ever... He wasn't allowed to call plays in Philly... He's supposed to be an Offensive genius... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

No one should be defending this guy anymore. Start demanding a new Head Coach. I'm sick of this guy ruining our team.

NDVikingFan66
11-11-2007, 06:51 PM
I am really nearing the end of my rope with Childress......I hate coaching changes, because there are typically some associated growing pains as personnel adjust or are changed out, but right now I would take that.

I said all along that I thought we would struggle this year, but i wanted to see improvement from week to week, and I have not.

Sadly, my vote is for Childress to go

Brad Childress....you are the weakest link....good bye

or

Brad Childress....you are not smarter than a 5th grader

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 06:51 PM
"C" wrote:


"scottishvike" wrote:


I never thought there would come a time when It looked like the Tice years were a golden period for the Vikes, but Childress seems to have made it a reality.


Childress is an AWFUL coach... I've been saying it since day one and everyone argued me... seems like a lot more of you are jumping on the bandwagon now.

Anyone with two eyes who at least understand a little about football can tell this guy has no clue. He is an arrogant jiggly butt who can't manage a game. He'll be gone by the end of this season.

I'll say it again... the guy has NO head-coaching experience at the Pro or collegiate level... ever... He wasn't allowed to call plays in Philly... He's supposed to be an Offensive genius... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

No one should be defending this guy anymore. Start demanding a new Head Coach. I'm sick of this guy ruining our team.


We argued with you because you were saying it from day one.
Anyone who at least understands a little about football knows that snap judgments and first impressions are only right about half the time.
You weren't right, you were lucky.
Whatever head coaching experience he had, at college or pro level, was moot, which has been shown time and time again.
Same for the playing calling bs.
If you want to complain about Childress, be my guest.
But at least use the real knocks against him, not the criteria you used in your fantasy land.
Lord knows there is enough real stuff to complain about tonight.

It was never about defending Childress.
It was about waiting to make a judgment either way until he had some time to prove himself as a head coach.

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 06:53 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"scottishvike" wrote:


I never thought there would come a time when It looked like the Tice years were a golden period for the Vikes, but Childress seems to have made it a reality.


Childress is an AWFUL coach... I've been saying it since day one and everyone argued me... seems like a lot more of you are jumping on the bandwagon now.

Anyone with two eyes who at least understand a little about football can tell this guy has no clue. He is an arrogant jiggly butt who can't manage a game. He'll be gone by the end of this season.

I'll say it again... the guy has NO head-coaching experience at the Pro or collegiate level... ever... He wasn't allowed to call plays in Philly... He's supposed to be an Offensive genius... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

No one should be defending this guy anymore. Start demanding a new Head Coach. I'm sick of this guy ruining our team.


We argued with you because you were saying it from day one.
Anyone who at least understands a little about football knows that snap judgments and first impressions are only right about half the time.
You weren't right, you were lucky.
Whatever head coaching experience he had, at college or pro level, was moot, which has been shown time and time again.
Same for the playing calling bs.
If you want to complain about Childress, be my guest.
But at least use the real knocks against him, not the criteria you used in your fantasy land.
Lord knows there is enough real stuff to complain about tonight.

It was never about defending Childress.
It was about waiting to make a judgment either way until he had some time to prove himself as a head coach.


Man... I just hate being right all the time.

The best part, I'm gonna sit back with my drink... stretch out... and relish in my foresight of Chilly's coaching ability...

jessejames09
11-11-2007, 06:54 PM
Childress is afraid to let his QBs throw the ball. And they are his QBs.

Pussy!

NodakPaul
11-11-2007, 06:56 PM
"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"scottishvike" wrote:


I never thought there would come a time when It looked like the Tice years were a golden period for the Vikes, but Childress seems to have made it a reality.


Childress is an AWFUL coach... I've been saying it since day one and everyone argued me... seems like a lot more of you are jumping on the bandwagon now.

Anyone with two eyes who at least understand a little about football can tell this guy has no clue. He is an arrogant jiggly butt who can't manage a game. He'll be gone by the end of this season.

I'll say it again... the guy has NO head-coaching experience at the Pro or collegiate level... ever... He wasn't allowed to call plays in Philly... He's supposed to be an Offensive genius... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

No one should be defending this guy anymore. Start demanding a new Head Coach. I'm sick of this guy ruining our team.


We argued with you because you were saying it from day one.
Anyone who at least understands a little about football knows that snap judgments and first impressions are only right about half the time.
You weren't right, you were lucky.
Whatever head coaching experience he had, at college or pro level, was moot, which has been shown time and time again.
Same for the playing calling bs.
If you want to complain about Childress, be my guest.
But at least use the real knocks against him, not the criteria you used in your fantasy land.
Lord knows there is enough real stuff to complain about tonight.

It was never about defending Childress.
It was about waiting to make a judgment either way until he had some time to prove himself as a head coach.


Man... I just hate being right all the time.

The best part, I'm gonna sit back with my drink... stretch out... and relish in my foresight of Chilly's coaching ability...




You obviously didn't read the whole post.

C Mac D
11-11-2007, 07:02 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


You obviously didn't read the whole post.


Oh, I read it. It just doesn't matter what you think... I was right.

Now excuse me while I sip my drink.

God... I'm good.
:D

Caine
11-11-2007, 07:30 PM
THIS JUST IN:

Childress is still an idiot.

'nuff said.

singersp
11-11-2007, 07:40 PM
"C" wrote:



Man... I just hate being right all the time.



Well...........at least we know your not full of hatred.
:P

BadlandsVikings
11-11-2007, 07:46 PM
"Caine" wrote:


THIS JUST IN:

Childress is still an idiot.

'nuff said.


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VikingsMB
11-12-2007, 01:40 AM
The T-Jack experiment is one thing but I hope the Chilly experiment is coming to an end.
I'm not sure why Frazier can't seem to grasp that anyone with a game plan of keeping AP off the field will
nickel and dime their way down.
It's time to dare teams to go after the long ball which are low percentage throws and start using schemes that defend the high percentage 5-10 yard passes.
This sums up the Chilly experience...our "Offensive coordinator guru" gets the big donut by our arch enemy.


I hope that Zygi gives him the Marcus Robinson treatment and fires him on Christmas Eve.

UTVikfan
11-12-2007, 05:24 AM
Maybe its just the beer, but I really think that A) Caine rocks, B) Marrdro IS Brad Childress.