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fromos
10-29-2007, 12:35 PM
We've really got just one offensive weapons that scares other teams- Adrian Peterson who is arguably the best running back in the league right now.
There are times on a first or second down when everybody in the stadium knows it's going to Peterson and the other team's defense put's eight or nine in the box and focuses all eforts on stopping Peterson.
Doesn't it just make sense to fake a handoff to Peterson and throw to Bobby Wade or Sydney Rice?


Yet this isn't happening for some odd reason.
Whenever Peterson comes in for a handoff they are expecting a real handoff and don't hold back.
And instead on almost every passing play they bring Chester Taylor in signalling the opponent to defend our receivers instead because they don't really fear Taylor that much.
Does Childress fear Peterson's pass blocking capabilities that much?

SKOL
10-29-2007, 12:46 PM
I agree.
I was also thinking all game, why not try the fleaflicker?
Isn't that something you're supposed to run when they're keying on the run?
I guess the KAO is just to predictable to try something innovative.

mountainviking
10-29-2007, 01:09 PM
Yeah, fleaflicker sounds great!
And he seemed to take all the fakes out too...with AP attracting the kind of attention he is, we should be able to play action fake very well!
And, as pointed out earlier, you don't always have to see your RB as a blocker...put AP in the slot, and they'll pull a LB that way, maybe a Safety too, then run the other way.


Funny thing I realized yesterday:
Last year, the big joke on Chilly was that the only thing on his playcard was, "RUN LEFT."
Now, seems like we never do that, when it should most likely, still be our bread and butter.
At this moment, I think we should simplify the offense and go back to basics, and let our boys play.
Try to make it fun again...put our best blockers in, and sweep left, sweep right, play action fake and get the ball to a WR...one runs a cross, one a slant, someone should be able to get open (not necessarily in that order.)

El Vikingo
10-29-2007, 01:24 PM
"fromos" wrote:


We've really got just one offensive weapons that scares other teams- Adrian Peterson who is arguably the best running back in the league right now.
There are times on a first or second down when everybody in the stadium knows it's going to Peterson and the other team's defense put's eight or nine in the box and focuses all eforts on stopping Peterson.
Doesn't it just make sense to fake a handoff to Peterson and throw to Bobby Wade or Sydney Rice?


Yet this isn't happening for some odd reason.
Whenever Peterson comes in for a handoff they are expecting a real handoff and don't hold back.
And instead on almost every passing play they bring Chester Taylor in signalling the opponent to defend our receivers instead because they don't really fear Taylor that much.
Does Childress fear Peterson's pass blocking capabilities that much?



Ask it to the bald one.

tb04512
10-29-2007, 01:33 PM
im wondering about where the fuck are the screen passes

VikingQuest83
10-29-2007, 02:14 PM
I agree. Play action is one of the most basic things an offense can and should do. Even the Pats use it to set up the pass when they arent even running.

NodakPaul
10-29-2007, 02:22 PM
"SKOL" wrote:


I agree.
I was also thinking all game, why not try the fleaflicker?
Isn't that something you're supposed to run when they're keying on the run?
I guess the KAO is just to predictable to try something innovative.



You need a lot of time in the backfield to run the flea flicker.
We don't have that.
The reason AP gets yards is because of his ability and vision at and beyond the line of scrimmage.
If we tried a flicker, AP would be hit for a loss of 6-10 damn near every time.

The play action is supposed to keep them honest against the run, as are reverses.

IBleedPurple11
10-29-2007, 03:02 PM
Honestly, let me call the plays just 1 game PLEEEEEEAAAASSEEEEEE!!!!! After 6 games I can even read Childress' playbook. We need to go for big plays, mixed in with the short plays, not just throw the ball 5 yards every time and hope our small recievers (except Rice) will break loose.

We will start winning once Childress realizes that our 2nd best offensive player is Sidney Rice; throw him the d@mn ball more than once a game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Play action...deep to Troy Williamson on 1st down...try it a coule times.

Quit playing like a bunch of p*ssys!!!

I hope ALL 3 of the QB's on our team are gone next year....Bring on McNabb...he proved against us that he can get 300+ yards with mediocre recievers and our WR's are better than his right now.

DustinDupont
10-29-2007, 03:41 PM
"tb04512" wrote:


im wondering about where the floop are the screen passes


y dont run screen passes?.... it is just stupid y we dont, they bring 6 guys everytime.... it would be perfect..

Marrdro
10-29-2007, 03:51 PM
"IBleedPurple11" wrote:


Honestly, let me call the plays just 1 game PLEEEEEEAAAASSEEEEEE!!!!! After 6 games I can even read Childress' playbook. We need to go for big plays, mixed in with the short plays, not just throw the ball 5 yards every time and hope our small recievers (except Rice) will break loose.

We will start winning once Childress realizes that our 2nd best offensive player is Sidney Rice; throw him the d@mn ball more than once a game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Play action...deep to Troy Williamson on 1st down...try it a coule times.

Quit playing like a bunch of p*ssys!!!

I hope ALL 3 of the QB's on our team are gone next year....Bring on McNabb...he proved against us that he can get 300+ yards with mediocre recievers and our WR's are better than his right now.

Hey, I'm all over that.
Great input.

Of course mind you we would have to send a memo out to the league letting them know that the QB needs a bit more time to get into a 7 step drop, clear passing lanes and of course no jamming the WR's at the line so that the play could develop.

The memo could/should say something along the lines of .......

DE will count 1 Minnesota , 2 Minnesota , 3 Minnesota before the are allowed to rush cause our Tackles are like turnstyles.

Sorry my friend.
Couldn't resist.
;D

bleedpurple
10-29-2007, 05:36 PM
We did more playaction passes yesterday than we have all year!!
the thing is nobody was open... NOBODY!!!

Frostbite
10-29-2007, 05:42 PM
You have to sell play action to make it work, and I'm talking about just running with A.D. either. The whole offense...and most of all the Receivers have to act like it's another running play to have good success. Most of the time.....if you are running the football well....the play action pass routes will be open if everybody sells the run to the opposition. Once they bite with 8 men in the box or coming up you've pretty much got them....IF...If you can then execute .


Execution has been a big factor in several of our losses. The right play was called but even after we sold it well...we couldn't make the play.


IMHO



Cheers!

Purple Floyd
10-29-2007, 06:06 PM
I have been asking this since last year.

To their credit, I saw the team with more power formations this week and it looks like they are getting close to pulling them off. IMO if they stick to the two TE, Single back formation we will see a pretty decent offense in a few weeks. It plays to the strengths of our whole offensive roster.

fromos
10-29-2007, 11:21 PM
Our only touchdown was off a playaction pass.

C Mac D
10-29-2007, 11:29 PM
This is why:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/11Childress_Bevell.jpg
(Thanks for the pic Singer)

jessejames09
10-29-2007, 11:35 PM
We're so advanced we fake the play action, and just run the damn ball.

StillPurple
10-30-2007, 12:20 AM
You guys are right.

Some observations:

- We should pound the ball more. (why do we pay $ 30 million for an offensive line and then "zone block" ???).
- At the same time, I think it is a SIN to not throw Adrian Peterson a screen pass at least 5 times a game ! What are they thinking ?
- When was the last time the Vikings ran a slant ? I thought that was what we got Wade for ?
- NFL teams in the red zone (general observation) run too much. Bill Walsh always said, in those situations, the linebackers can tee off too easily on the running backs. So, the answer is play action passing. And the good teams do it (Pats, etc.).

- NFL teams are too conservative. Watch college football. Way more risk-taking. What I am saying is, when the defense blitzes, why not toss AP the ball and let him throw ? What is the worst thing that can happen, he gets a 45 % completion rate, (like T-Jacks ? ).
::)

Mr Anderson
10-30-2007, 12:32 AM
Did you guys know that we're #2 in the NFL in rushing?


If you can't build play-action around that, you can't build play-action around anything.

C Mac D
10-30-2007, 12:33 AM
"Mr" wrote:


Did you guys know that we're #2 in the NFL in rushing?


If you can't build play-action around that, you can't build play-action around anything.


Amen... Anybody with a brain can see that. We need to get Chilly to a doctor, stat.

baumy300
10-30-2007, 12:38 AM
"C" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


Did you guys know that we're #2 in the NFL in rushing?


If you can't build play-action around that, you can't build play-action around anything.


Amen... Anybody with a brain can see that. We need to get Chilly to a doctor, stat.

While I agree, we are still going to need a QB who doesn't overshoot our WR's by 10 yards, WR's who get open, and a line that blocks long enough to fake the hand off. In other words: We're screwed at the moment
:'(

Schutz
10-30-2007, 01:58 AM
I wondered the same thing.
There was a couple of times we would run three straight plays and you could just see the opportunities to play action pass.
I saw Tom Brady throw a sweet play action pass Sunday and I though to myself, that could be a Viking's QB and AP

DustinDupont
10-30-2007, 02:01 AM
"Schutz" wrote:


I wondered the same thing.
There was a couple of times we would run three straight plays and you could just see the opportunities to play action pass.
I saw Tom Brady throw a sweet play action pass Sunday and I though to myself, that could be a Viking's QB and AP

tom brady has all day to throw...

Schutz
10-30-2007, 02:09 AM
Well that too, but the one I saw was a quick playaction throw that was pretty cool, I think it was to Wes Welker or Laurence.