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ItalianStallion
11-21-2004, 02:58 PM
...Why Bennett still is getting hand-offs? I thought is was established in the past two years that Onterrio is better. His 2.7 average reminds me of Eddie George.

Webby
11-21-2004, 02:58 PM
cause he whines like an overpriced baby.

ultravikingfan
11-21-2004, 02:59 PM
Maybe because Bennett does not fumble.

Foreman44
11-21-2004, 03:09 PM
I thought they alternated Smith and Bennett pretty well today. Both got their carries and were able to be fresh. Don;t know how long one can expect this shuffle to work, but for now, I think they did a pretty good job of using both. I prefer Smith too but Bennett is a very good player too with explosive speed and good hands

VikingsTw
11-21-2004, 03:13 PM
I like to see Onterrio carry the ball most of the time, but i can understand why he was running int the end, cause he doesnt fumble. But i think Onterrio needs to be the primary hes the man.

PAvikesfan
11-21-2004, 03:17 PM
"Foreman44" wrote:

I thought they alternated Smith and Bennett pretty well today. Both got their carries and were able to be fresh. Don;t know how long one can expect this shuffle to work, but for now, I think they did a pretty good job of using both. I prefer Smith too but Bennett is a very good player too with explosive speed and good hands

i think Onterio needs the ball more often though... they both did good, but Smith seems to hit the wholes faster. And don't forget Moe...he really came through like the workhorse Hoard is.

enlvikeman
11-21-2004, 03:25 PM
Bennet does Fumble....he did it in San Diego and Oakland last year.

ItalianStallion
11-21-2004, 03:47 PM
All Bennett seems to do is use his explosive speed to run straight into people. He has almost zero lateral agility.

Kleinsasser40
11-21-2004, 04:11 PM
Yeah, bennet has no moves. Basically if there is an unblocked guy anywhere infront of him he is down. I dont thin ki have ever seen him even break one tackle.

Freya
11-21-2004, 04:24 PM
"Kleinsasser40" wrote:

Yeah, bennet has no moves. Basically if there is an unblocked guy anywhere infront of him he is down. I dont thin ki have ever seen him even break one tackle.

It looks to me like he is afraid of getting hurt most of the time. Perhaps he has had his game scared out of him.

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 05:19 PM
"Freya" wrote:

"Kleinsasser40" wrote:

Yeah, bennet has no moves. Basically if there is an unblocked guy anywhere infront of him he is down. I dont thin ki have ever seen him even break one tackle.

It looks to me like he is afraid of getting hurt most of the time. Perhaps he has had his game scared out of him.

I keep hearing that it takes two seasons for a RB to return to form after surgery. Bennett has had two operations in a very short span. Maybe he gets his game back next year much like Edge James from the Colts came back this year with a vengeance after a poor season last year.

triedandtruevikesfan
11-21-2004, 05:23 PM
I absolutely love Bennetts speed... IF he can get a gap he's dangerous, but so far he is not the playmaker that the other backs have proven to be. I'm all about trading him this year while he has some value.

dan3ski
11-21-2004, 06:38 PM
The reason Bennet was playing was for his ability to block and help protect Culpepper. He should be used with more screens so his speed can be used.

Caine
11-22-2004, 01:11 AM
Wouldn't suprise me to see Bennett used as trade bait after this season.

With Smith, Williams, and Moore in the backfield, Bennett is a luxury we simply - to be honest - don't need to carry.

Perhaps we should talk to Miami about their 1st round pick...

Caine

AngloVike
11-22-2004, 01:35 AM
When all the trade talk was being bandied about earlier in the season I couldn't see any justification to let Bennett go. However after watching yesterdays game here then I'll concede that meybe we should see what we can get in a trade for him.
I'll allow for the fact that he was injured earlier on and that he won't be fully up to speed for a while longer. However looking at him yesterday he was too hesitant behind the line of scrimmage and consequently got tackled for a loss or minimal gain. Yes he has got that 'home run' speed which is deadly if he gets the break out, but the bottom line is that he's usually too busy looking for a large hole and never gets to use it.
Smith has got good speed for a RB, admittingly not the same as MB, but he will go for the space when he sees a chink of light. That means he can go through the LOS rather than keep running to the outside.

Tice needs to decide this week which back is going to be the main ball carrier, with Moe "mighty" Williams as the third down/short yardage back. That alternating between Bennett and Smith was annoying the hell out of me yesterday and gave no chance of continuity

snowinapril
11-22-2004, 10:42 AM
"dan3ski" wrote:

The reason Bennet was playing was for his ability to block and help protect Culpepper. He should be used with more screens so his speed can be used.

Finally, someone gets it right. Good comment !


When Bennett and ROBERT Smith style runners are at their best is on the screen. Find a lane and run a straight line through it.

Onterio on 1st and 2nd down and Bennett on some 2nd downs and 3rd downs in long yd situations.

I am a little disappointed that Bennett isn't running better. I thought he would be doing better. If we have him do Running , he needs to get more carries or just use him for screens. He doesn't look good getting only limited carries.

snowinapril
11-22-2004, 10:47 AM
"AngloVike" wrote:

When all the trade talk was being bandied about earlier in the season I couldn't see any justification to let Bennett go. However after watching yesterdays game here then I'll concede that meybe we should see what we can get in a trade for him.
I'll allow for the fact that he was injured earlier on and that he won't be fully up to speed for a while longer. However looking at him yesterday he was too hesitant behind the line of scrimmage and consequently got tackled for a loss or minimal gain. Yes he has got that 'home run' speed which is deadly if he gets the break out, but the bottom line is that he's usually too busy looking for a large hole and never gets to use it.
Smith has got good speed for a RB, admittingly not the same as MB, but he will go for the space when he sees a chink of light. That means he can go through the LOS rather than keep running to the outside.

Tice needs to decide this week which back is going to be the main ball carrier, with Moe "mighty" Williams as the third down/short yardage back. That alternating between Bennett and Smith was annoying the hell out of me yesterday and gave no chance of continuity

When Moss take another defender out of the Box, you will see a different Bennett. Wait and see! I don't mind having Smith to run the 3rd and short. But Bennett needs to be in on 2nd and long and 3rd and long for screens.

JWalkRulz84
11-22-2004, 03:28 PM
there is no way in a million years the vikings will get a first round pick for michael bennett. there is a rumor of the arizona cardinals trading for him for a 3rd round pick. really a 3rd round pick is the best the vikes are gonna get for him. teams will be more apt to taking a rb in the draft with their first or second round pick than taking an injury liability for a first rounder...sorry there, not happening. not for a first rounder.

snowinapril
11-22-2004, 03:31 PM
"JWalkRulz84" wrote:

there is no way in a million years the vikings will get a first round pick for michael bennett. there is a rumor of the arizona cardinals trading for him for a 3rd round pick. really a 3rd round pick is the best the vikes are gonna get for him. teams will be more apt to taking a rb in the draft with their first or second round pick than taking an injury liability for a first rounder...sorry there, not happening. not for a first rounder.


I would hope for 2nd but 3rd does sound more realistic. AZ Cards huh, that doesn't surprise me, Denny would know what he is working with. Has to be better than Hambrick. Emmitt will hopefully retire. I think that he wanted to pad his stats one more year.

Remember, that Ricky Williams needs a home also. There aren't a lot of teams that need a RB, well I should probably take that back, that was a small fib.

JWalk,

HOW IS GREEN FROM LAST NIGHT, WHAT IS HIS STATUS??

TheAnimal93
11-22-2004, 04:38 PM
millions aside, its cant be easy to try to run full speed at 11 guys who are if they could put you out of the game espcially after injuring yourself recently. it hasnt been that long. has anyone had a major injury? know what it feels like just to walk normally afterwards? give mike a chance at least.
you can never have too many running backs. ask miami. and WRs. and Olinemen. and fullbacks. u guys are killing me.

snowinapril
11-22-2004, 04:50 PM
"vikes can do" wrote:

millions aside, its cant be easy to try to run full speed at 11 guys who are if they could put you out of the game espcially after injuring yourself recently. it hasnt been that long. has anyone had a major injury? know what it feels like just to walk normally afterwards? give mike a chance at least.
you can never have too many running backs. ask miami. and WRs. and Olinemen. and fullbacks. u guys are killing me.

It isn't that I want to trade mike, it is just one of those things. It might be best for the team. The only reason I am talking about it is because it definitely a possibility. If we didn't talk about it, it still might happen. If we do talk about it, it still might not happen. It is just talk.

We have high priced guys like DC and Moss that are the cornerstones of our team. We need some help in other areas. Financially, we may not be able to keep O.Smith and Bennett. We can't wait until contracts are up to start talking about stuff like this or we won't get compensated at all.

It is hard being a fan sometimes when we build allegiences to teams and players. After all, the NFL is a business and it is hard for us as fans to see things in the business sense.

PacNWVike
11-22-2004, 11:43 PM
Hmmmm... any grumpy, unhappy stud linebackers out there that we could trade Bennett for? Or how about a proven OT?

JWalkRulz84
11-23-2004, 04:09 PM
ahman green's case is that he has bruised ribs. he's having some trouble breathing but he is listed day to day. his injury definitely isnt season threatening, but he might be out for monday nights game. if davenport is ready to go, i would expect to see green on the sidelines with davenport taking the bulk of the carries with fisher getting some carries as well. it doesnt really matter seeing as st. louis gives up the most yards per carry in the NFL. that defense is worse than both green bays and minnesotas. all they have is archuleta, polley and little. aeneas is so old. im no too concerned about greens health right now though.

as for bennett, you never see a player for player trade in the NFL. its too difficult to perform. like i said before, the most minnesota will get for bennett is a 3rd because of his recent injuries and lack of performance. i could see bennett being much like thomas jones for another team. bennett just doesnt seem like a good fit in minnesota. onterrio is definitely the best fit in the backfield and bennett is just holding him back. its just a matter of time. one of these running backs will be gone. and bennett seems like he will be the odd man out.

ItalianStallion
11-23-2004, 04:29 PM
Bennett really has little trade value in my mind, I honestly believe we couldo only get a 3rd rounder.

Also, Moe is a better blocker/3rd round back than Bennett is anyway.

Mossville
11-23-2004, 04:30 PM
"Caine" wrote:

Wouldn't suprise me to see Bennett used as trade bait after this season.

With Smith, Williams, and Moore in the backfield, Bennett is a luxury we simply - to be honest - don't need to carry.

Perhaps we should talk to Miami about their 1st round pick...

Caine

WIll never happen, Miami will be pursuing Edge and Shaun Alexander in the offseason as both said they wouldnt mind playing there.

Viking_Spirit
11-23-2004, 04:40 PM
Anyone know what Mewelde Moore's status is? I'd like to see that guy come back....he played very well when he was in. He's the RB that I like the most out of the group. And, if we traded anyone, I'd like to trade Bennett. Yes, he has speed, but he can't run up the middle, and he's very injury prone. The managment should try to trade him to Miami...they will want an RB.

snowinapril
11-23-2004, 05:12 PM
"Viking_Spirit" wrote:

Anyone know what Mewelde Moore's status is? I'd like to see that guy come back....he played very well when he was in. He's the RB that I like the most out of the group. And, if we traded anyone, I'd like to trade Bennett. Yes, he has speed, but he can't run up the middle, and he's very injury prone. The managment should try to trade him to Miami...they will want an RB.

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