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GreenBaySlackers
11-20-2004, 01:04 PM
Do you think we should?


If so who is your leading candidate?

I say Mike Nugent from OSU, watched a couple of OSU games this year, he is a solid fg/pat kicker and he can kick off too

now we need a punter...

snowinapril
11-20-2004, 02:26 PM
Late rounds only.

Not worth a pick really. There are others out there.

You can't trust Kickers????? You don't know where to look for them.

Billy Cundiff from Drake in DM IA.

In college, he kicked the longest FG in NCAA history. I think it was 63 yds.

He is 9-11 this year and his long is 47yds.

Coming out of College, he seemed like an awesome find. He rarely gets to kick long FGs

Adam Vinatieri, came from a small school, SDSU in Brookings SD.

Tines - Troy State - Scotland
Akers - Louisville
J.Brown - Nebraska
Kasey - Georgia
Carney - NotreDame
Christie - William and Mary - Canada
Janikoski - Florida St - Poland
Gramatica - Kansas St - Argentina
Wilkins - Youngstown St
Kaeding - Iowa

Small schools and Big school?????

Where do you look? 255 kickers every year in the NCAA division 1 alone????? I can't believe you have to draft a position like that they should be lining up at the door to try out.

GreenBaySlackers
11-20-2004, 02:37 PM
This guy is gonna be an all american, i think he'll be worth a pick

XTAP59
11-20-2004, 05:04 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:

Late rounds only.

Not worth a pick really. There are others out there.

You can't trust Kickers????? You don't know where to look for them.

Billy Cundiff from Drake in DM IA.

In college, he kicked the longest FG in NCAA history. I think it was 63 yds.

He is 9-11 this year and his long is 47yds.

Coming out of College, he seemed like an awesome find. He rarely gets to kick long FGs

Adam Vinatieri, came from a small school, SDSU in Brookings SD.

Tines - Troy State - Scotland
Akers - Louisville
J.Brown - Nebraska
Kasey - Georgia
Carney - NotreDame
Christie - William and Mary - Canada
Janikoski - Florida St - Poland
Gramatica - Kansas St - Argentina
Wilkins - Youngstown St
Kaeding - Iowa

Small schools and Big school?????

Where do you look? 255 kickers every year in the NCAA division 1 alone????? I can't believe you have to draft a position like that they should be lining up at the door to try out.

I disagree. If we had a weapon like the Buckeyes kicker Nugent, it would make our special team better immediately. He kicks most balls out of the endzone on kickoffs, (Yes, I know college kicks from the 35 instead of the 30, so it would still be 5 yards deep in the endzone) and would give opposing teams the start at the 20 instead the 40. Add the bonus that he is an accurate FG kicker even with long kicks, (8-9) 50 yards plus and he would be worthy of a high draft pick. That type of kicker could win several games for us a season.

I bet Nugent goes high in the draft come April.

LOTGK

GreenBaySlackers
11-20-2004, 05:07 PM
word Xtap, did you see him today? he was money for his last game at the shoe!

snowinapril
11-20-2004, 05:14 PM
If he is a great kicker, it might be worth it. I would definitely take a defensive impact player for our first 2 picks. If we could sign a free agent DT, that would be great then you could spend a 2nd round pick on a position other than impact player.

If Nuge is an impact player amybe he is worth it, who knows.

Red doesn't want to pay high dollars for kicker or punters, we found that out with Berger.

Viking_Spirit
11-20-2004, 05:31 PM
We have to get Mike Nugent last year. That guy's done a hell of a job at OSU (been watching him play since he was a freshman), and this is a guy we can't pass up.

He will immediatly change our special teams for the better.

VKG4LFE
11-20-2004, 05:54 PM
I don't care how good he is, don't draft him until the 6th or 7th round if even at all!

TheAnimal93
11-20-2004, 06:00 PM
newwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwgggggg!!!!
mike nugent is the best kicker in the country!!!! he is worth a first round pick for sure. he broke most of the kicking records at ohio state. he holds 18 records. he was 8of9 past 50 this year.kicks out of the end zone. he would have to be worth the risk considering what the vikes have been through since berger left. and he is dual duty and clutch.
GO BUCKEYES!!!!! they took it to mich today! awesome!!!!

VKG4LFE
11-20-2004, 06:02 PM
I don't care if he is the best kicker in the damn world!! All he does is kick. The first round is for playmakers not kickers!! Our drafts have been screwed up enough as it is recently, drafting a kicker in the first round would really make us the laughing stock of the NFL draft!!

GreenBaySlackers
11-20-2004, 06:11 PM
Imagine though, the opposing team never starting past the 30 yard line, the vikings being able to kick below 50 yard feild goals witout worrying at all and 50-60 yarders with relative ease! i say go for it vikes, could be a flop, but could be great!

Show some aggression, draft special teams lol

GreenBaySlackers
11-20-2004, 06:13 PM
"vikes can do" wrote:

newwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwgggggg!!!!
mike nugent is the best kicker in the country!!!! he is worth a first round pick for sure. he broke most of the kicking records at ohio state. he holds 18 records. he was 8of9 past 50 this year.kicks out of the end zone. he would have to be worth the risk considering what the vikes have been through since berger left. and he is dual duty and clutch.
GO BUCKEYES!!!!! they took it to mich today! awesome!!!!

Yeah buddy... no trip to pasadena for the 'rines!

VKG4LFE
11-20-2004, 06:14 PM
no trip for the badgers either!! hahaha

GreenBaySlackers
11-20-2004, 06:14 PM
never mind about the whole pasadena thing... leave it to the fucking badgers to screw it up...

KansasStateViking
11-20-2004, 06:31 PM
Gramatica kicked a 65 yarder in college!

GreenBaySlackers
11-20-2004, 06:33 PM
Kansas, your school fan site screws me up all the time... purplepride.com

TheAnimal93
11-20-2004, 07:28 PM
and to mention another great point....nuge has kicked at least 65 field goals in his career. i know at least 20 or more of those were beyond 45. when did the pats draft vinateri? what round? first or second. and he turned out very well. we all know kickers are a crap shoot for the most part, but if the vikes are drafting as far back as we all hope, would it be that far of a stretch? really, a good kicker is very important, a great kicker will win a ton of games for you late in the game and late in the season. taking dangerous kickoff specialists out of the game, put 9 to 12 points in any given game, it would be very hard for me to pass him up. didnt janikowski go in the first. it is not unheard of.

VKG4LFE
11-20-2004, 07:44 PM
No way Vinateri was a first or second rounder!

By the way, since the badgers lost the Wolverines are going to the Rose Bowl! They tied with Iowa for the big ten title, but since they beat them during the season they will be representin'!!

GreenBaySlackers
11-20-2004, 08:24 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:

No way Vinateri was a first or second rounder!

By the way, since the badgers lost the Wolverines are going to the Rose Bowl! They tied with Iowa for the big ten title, but since they beat them during the season they will be representin'!!

"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:

never mind about the whole pasadena thing... leave it to the fucking badgers to screw it up...

yeah i know

RandyMoss8404
11-20-2004, 08:42 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:

I don't care if he is the best kicker in the damn world!! All he does is kick. The first round is for playmakers not kickers!! Our drafts have been screwed up enough as it is recently, drafting a kicker in the first round would really make us the laughing stock of the NFL draft!!

Adam Vinatieri has singlehandedly owned nearly every team in the league and casually won two Super Bowls, and people still don't think kicker is a playmaking position.

Oh, but when will you learn...

ItalianStallion
11-20-2004, 08:56 PM
Lol, look at our defense, and you guys are thinking kickers in the early round?

On a side note, I believe berger left because of the way he thought Denny was treated by management the year he left.

VikingsTw
11-20-2004, 09:05 PM
If that's what it takes to get a kicker to kick deep and make decent field goals, then F*ck it do it. Maybe we can find someone in free agency. Somebody that's solid. Then focus on defense and Offensive line in the draft.

LosAngelis
11-20-2004, 09:17 PM
I have some Packer officials who want you to believe that punter is a position worth trading up in the draft for.

TheAnimal93
11-20-2004, 10:05 PM
vking4life.....i was wrong about vinatieri....he was a free agent96....... janikowski did go in 1st round, correct? believe me it is a reach(K's in 1st rd), but this guy is a cant miss, i dont see him losing any confidence or leg in the near future. i have watched him for 4 years. he has won games, kept the bucks in many games and the 2002 natl championship had his name all over it all season. ahhh, i am not of course holding my breath but no way he will fall to us in the second round and if he is that good why wouldnt he be good enough to go late in the first round?

TheAnimal93
11-20-2004, 10:51 PM
mike nugent.....71 for 81......333 points in 3.5 seasons. thats over 80 points a season. 80 points!!! think how many times that you wished we could have kicked the 47, 48 yarder and we had to punt which we know hasnt turned out that well overall.
you have to excuse me for sounding like a zealot but the vikes allready have a buckeye connection, and i am a big bucks fan. think how many buckeyes have been vikings. CC, jim marshall, korey stringer, robt smith, scottie bowling ball, and current viking studs wing nut, and mr. 3rd down sackmaster at ohio st darrion scott. it surely will depend who is on the board who can do us the most good. and thinking way too far ahead.

XTAP59
11-20-2004, 10:58 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:

I don't care how good he is, don't draft him until the 6th or 7th round if even at all!

Query here for you.
Would you draft a player in the first round if he decreased the opposing teams starting position by 15 yards per kick? What about a player who was automatic inside the 40 yard line and over 85% outside of 50? A player that would solidify the special teams for the Vikes?

Now ask yourself if our kickers over the last 5 years could answer YES to any of the above questions.....

XTAP59
11-20-2004, 11:04 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:

I don't care if he is the best kicker in the damn world!! All he does is kick. The first round is for playmakers not kickers!! Our drafts have been screwed up enough as it is recently, drafting a kicker in the first round would really make us the laughing stock of the NFL draft!!

Wait a minute?
All Uduze does is rush the passer...
All Williams does is play DT.
All Bennett does is ride the bench, or play RB....
All Nugent will do is kick the ball out of the endzone making opposing teams to start at the 20 instead of the 35. And kick that game winning 55yard FG to get us in the playoffs.
Let the other teams laugh. We will have a great kicker for 10 plus years that will solidify the special teams that has been a severe weakness to this team and has cost us wins over the years.

I bet that Nugent goes in the first round.

CanuckVike
11-20-2004, 11:06 PM
I don't know if using a first round pick for a kicker is necessarily the best thing...BUT!...something needs to be done! You know how they say, it's the little things that a team does that makes a big difference?...well Kicking is one of them!

We suck at punting...(Bennett is dead last in the NFC...and the whole NFL I think)...and that's AFTER last years comedy showing of "The troubles with Eddie Johnson!" Morten's done ok, but he's still in the bottom third of the league, and has the 2nd worst "long" FG of 42 yards.

I just think we have to do a better job of picking kickers that are out there! I mean who the hell picked Elling in the first place? And Johnson? They were/are both far below even what a CFL kicker can do for cripes sake!

Drafting a kicker may or may not be the answer, but I know one kicker that was drafted fairly high if I recall...and his name was Ray Guy...and look what he helped his team do. :?

XTAP59
11-20-2004, 11:08 PM
"RandyMoss8404" wrote:

"VKG4LFE" wrote:

I don't care if he is the best kicker in the damn world!! All he does is kick. The first round is for playmakers not kickers!! Our drafts have been screwed up enough as it is recently, drafting a kicker in the first round would really make us the laughing stock of the NFL draft!!

Adam Vinatieri has singlehandedly owned nearly every team in the league and casually won two Super Bowls, and people still don't think kicker is a playmaking position.

Oh, but when will you learn...

Just ask Gary Anderson against the Atlanta playoff championship game how important the kicking game is.......

Damn, hate remembering that game.....

TheAnimal93
11-21-2004, 07:11 AM
"XTAP59" wrote:

"VKG4LFE" wrote:

I don't care if he is the best kicker in the damn world!! All he does is kick. The first round is for playmakers not kickers!! Our drafts have been screwed up enough as it is recently, drafting a kicker in the first round would really make us the laughing stock of the NFL draft!!

Wait a minute?
All Uduze does is rush the passer...
All Williams does is play DT.
All Bennett does is ride the bench, or play RB....
All Nugent will do is kick the ball out of the endzone making opposing teams to start at the 20 instead of the 35. And kick that game winning 55yard FG to get us in the playoffs.
Let the other teams laugh. We will have a great kicker for 10 plus years that will solidify the special teams that has been a severe weakness to this team and has cost us wins over the years.

I bet that Nugent goes in the first round.

and to make another point......how much has udeze really contributed, i didnt like that pick(vince woolfork is who i wanted........2 games balls from belechik already) and i would pick nugent right now over udeze, bennett, and many others that have been high picks for the vikes.

ItalianStallion
11-21-2004, 10:56 AM
Udeze is not a bad pick, nor was he ever a bad pick. He has had a solid rookie season, you can't expect too muchfrom rookie Dlineman. He is projected to make something like 34 tackles, 5.3 sacks

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 12:05 PM
End of the conversation.
Lions return a short opening kickoff for a tD against the Vikes.
7-0 Lions....

With Nugent, it would be Lions at the 20

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 12:07 PM
Hanson kicks off to the Vikes and he puts it 5 yards deep in the endzone.
Vikes 1st and 10 at the 20

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 12:16 PM
Vikes second kick is of course short and the Lions begin at the 40 yard line.....

We need Nugent next year....

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 12:25 PM
So, with the lions starting at the 40, move down field and score a TD.
Still don't think we need a premier kicker.....?

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 12:28 PM
Vikes get the second kickoff at their own 28 after fielding it around the 6.

So far, advantage Lions in the kicking game but a huge margin.

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 01:06 PM
So, the Lions convert on a 48 yard FG to take the lead at 17-7....

Wish our kicker was capable of that.

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 01:08 PM
Detroit kicks off, Vikes field at the 5 yard line and start at the 22.
Advantage still Detroit in the kicking game.

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 01:42 PM
Vikes get second half kickoff at the one, start at own 17.
Advantage Lions.....

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 02:30 PM
Ok, Vikes get a good kickoff to the 5, hold the Lions at the 17.
Vikes hold the Lions and get the ball back....

LosAngelis
11-21-2004, 03:11 PM
XTAP, who the heck are you talking to in here? Yourself?

:-)

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 03:20 PM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

XTAP, who the heck are you talking to in here? Yourself?

:-)

Why, you of course Los.
Thanks for replying....

XTAP59
11-21-2004, 03:22 PM
And did you happen to notice that when the Vikes kicked deep and held the Lions to regular field position, the Vikes held them and forced a punt....?