PDA

View Full Version : Throw The Damn Ball Deep!!!!



SharperImage
09-18-2007, 03:33 PM
OK if any1 watched yesterdays contest between the washington redskins an tha philly eagles.. the redskins ran on them ran on them then went deep.. they threw deep almost every passing play besides 3rd down. We have a big arm QB in Tjax we have speedy recivers in TWILL Fergie Ferg an Wade an Alison...Rice is our position reciver.. so im saying we run wit taylor run with peterson then on a 1st or 2nd down throw deep to Twill or Alison or Fergie Ferg. it makes sense.. TWILL has Excellent speed if he could catch it..

Zeus
09-18-2007, 03:35 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


OK if any1 watched yesterdays contest between the washington redskins an tha philly eagles.. the redskins ran on them ran on them then went deep.. they threw deep almost every passing play besides 3rd down. We have a big arm QB in Tjax we have speedy recivers in TWILL Fergie Ferg an Wade an Alison...Rice is our position reciver.. so im saying we run wit taylor run with peterson then on a 1st or 2nd down throw deep to Twill or Alison or Fergie Ferg. it makes sense.. TWILL has Excellent speed if he could catch it..


How do you know that deep balls were not planned?
That the plays were called but the coverage the Lions played dictated a check-down or move to a secondary receiver?
Or that the protection collapsed too fast for Tarvaris to make the deep pass?
Accurate deep passes require that the QB have a complete step-through/follow-through on the ball for it to get there.

=Z=

kspurplepride
09-18-2007, 03:37 PM
our offense is hardly build for throwing the deep ball bro. Our linemen are run blockers, and our offense is built around three step drops and short passes. The problem right now is were giving up on the run to early in the game... plain and simple

SharperImage
09-18-2007, 03:42 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"SharperImage" wrote:


OK if any1 watched yesterdays contest between the washington redskins an tha philly eagles.. the redskins ran on them ran on them then went deep.. they threw deep almost every passing play besides 3rd down. We have a big arm QB in Tjax we have speedy recivers in TWILL Fergie Ferg an Wade an Alison...Rice is our position reciver.. so im saying we run wit taylor run with peterson then on a 1st or 2nd down throw deep to Twill or Alison or Fergie Ferg. it makes sense.. TWILL has Excellent speed if he could catch it..


How do you know that deep balls were not planned?
That the plays were called but the coverage the Lions played dictated a check-down or move to a secondary receiver?
Or that the protection collapsed too fast for Tarvaris to make the deep pass?
Accurate deep passes require that the QB have a complete step-through/follow-through on the ball for it to get there.

=Z=


your right Zeus but i seen Plenty of times in the game where TJax had all day.. he wanted to dance around in the pocket like Michael Jackson..or run like he is Ron Mexico. You see the screens an flares
an 5 in outs arent working... THROW IT MORE THAN 30yards..we gotta make people respect our throwing game or it will be a
long season..

jessejames09
09-18-2007, 03:44 PM
Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.

BloodyHorns82
09-18-2007, 03:46 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


Yeah, it seemed like during the Lions game, almost every time we through the deep ball, it was picked off!

SharperImage
09-18-2007, 03:48 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


ONCE AGAIN!!! until we get the deep ball going like back in the moss days we are done.. they are gonna blitz an put 8 in tha box all day... WE NEED TO THROW DEEP..
CHilly prays that AP or CT will bus one of those screens for 70yards all tha time... it happens once n a blue moon... we need to throw deep an KCis weak right now.. Ty Law is good but slow.. go deep on him!!

RK.
09-18-2007, 03:48 PM
OK so I watched the Colts play and I watched Manning call his plays at the line depending on what the defense was showing.
We need for TJ to line up and make his own calls just like Payton does.
He has a voice, he has eyes to see the D...............

/sarcasm off.

::)

jessejames09
09-18-2007, 03:51 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


ONCE AGAIN!!! until we get the deep ball going like back in the moss days we are done.. they are gonna blitz an put 8 in tha box all day... WE NEED TO THROW DEEP..
CHilly prays that AP or CT will bus one of those screens for 70yards all tha time... it happens once n a blue moon... we need to throw deep an KCis weak right now.. Ty Law is good but slow.. go deep on him!!


I THINK WE SHOULD THROW THE BALL TO TROY WILLIAMSON 30% OF THE TIME. AND CHILDRESS SHOULD ANNOUNCE THIS TO THE MEDIA.











lol sorry i had to.

ultravikingfan
09-18-2007, 03:59 PM
If it were only that easy.

NodakPaul
09-18-2007, 03:59 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


ONCE AGAIN!!! until we get the deep ball going like back in the moss days we are done.. they are gonna blitz an put 8 in tha box all day... WE NEED TO THROW DEEP..
CHilly prays that AP or CT will bus one of those screens for 70yards all tha time... it happens once n a blue moon... we need to throw deep an KCis weak right now.. Ty Law is good but slow.. go deep on him!!


Holy shit.

Honestly, I am trying very, very hard not to Green Dot myself with this post.
Must... resist... urge...

OK.
Let's start with the obvious.
MOSS ISN'T ON THIS FUCKING TEAM ANYMORE.
(OK, calm down, breath...) Ahem.
As I was saying, we were able to throw deep when Moss was on the team because Moss was on the team.


Second, TJack is not very accurate with the deep ball.
Almost all of the deep passes he has thrown this season have been picked off or intercepted.
Why would you want to continue doing that?

Third, we tried going to the air attack against Detroit, who have a weaker secondary than KC.
They were putting 8 in the box too, and we thought we could beat them in the air.
We couldn't.
So instead of keeping the ball on the ground, and punting if a drive stalled, we were giving the ball back to them with great field position.
Not once, but four times.
One of the definitions of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Fourth, don't underestimate KC.
The reason they are losing right now is because they lost much of their O when their QB left.
And LJ can't run behind this new OL.
The defense is still holding its own.

Lastly, we need to game plan for our strengths, not an opponent's weakness.
You attack weaknesses, but you don't plan the entire game around them.
Our strength lies in our running game and our defense.
So when we have the ball, we should run...

COJOMAY
09-18-2007, 04:03 PM
Second, TJack is not very accurate with the deep ball.
Almost all of the deep passes he has thrown this season have been picked off or intercepted.
Why would you want to continue doing that?
So that TJ can have more interceptions than Brett Favre?

Mr Anderson
09-18-2007, 04:03 PM
Let's beat the Chiefs.

El Vikingo
09-18-2007, 04:07 PM
"Mr" wrote:


Let's beat the Chiefs.


I second that motion.

Marrdro
09-18-2007, 04:10 PM
Holy pooh.

Honestly, I am trying very, very hard not to Green Dot myself with this post.
Must... resist... urge...

Who's gonna break down first?
You or me my friend.
;D

Judging by some of the comments in this thread a good percentage of the people on here still don't understand the WCO and I'm not taking the time to explain it anymore as I have already wore out two keyboards.

The flunkies are getting mad at having to replace them.
;D

BBQ Platypus
09-18-2007, 04:20 PM
Calm down everyone.
Can't we work out some kind of compromise?
How about this: the Vikings should throw the ball deep, only backwards or sideways instead.
That way, it'll only be a fumble or an incompletion instead of an interception. ;)


Seriously, though - I do think that you're both onto something here.
On the one hand, this team isn't well suited for the deep pass.
On the other hand, we need to spread the defense from time to time to keep the defense from blitzing and using press coverage all the time.
In the end, the team needs to work on these kinds of plays a bit more in practice to be able to effectively run these plays once or twice a game.
However, we should still primarily stick to what we do best.

vikingivan
09-18-2007, 04:34 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"SharperImage" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


ONCE AGAIN!!! until we get the deep ball going like back in the moss days we are done.. they are gonna blitz an put 8 in tha box all day... WE NEED TO THROW DEEP..
CHilly prays that AP or CT will bus one of those screens for 70yards all tha time... it happens once n a blue moon... we need to throw deep an KCis weak right now.. Ty Law is good but slow.. go deep on him!!


Holy pooh.

Honestly, I am trying very, very hard not to Green Dot myself with this post.
Must... resist... urge...

OK.
Let's start with the obvious.
MOSS ISN'T ON THIS fricken TEAM ANYMORE.
(OK, calm down, breath...) Ahem.
As I was saying, we were able to throw deep when Moss was on the team because Moss was on the team.


Second, TJack is not very accurate with the deep ball.
Almost all of the deep passes he has thrown this season have been picked off or intercepted.
Why would you want to continue doing that?

Third, we tried going to the air attack against Detroit, who have a weaker secondary than KC.
They were putting 8 in the box too, and we thought we could beat them in the air.
We couldn't.
So instead of keeping the ball on the ground, and punting if a drive stalled, we were giving the ball back to them with great field position.
Not once, but four times.
One of the definitions of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Fourth, don't underestimate KC.
The reason they are losing right now is because they lost much of their O when their QB left.
And LJ can't run behind this new OL.
The defense is still holding its own.

Lastly, we need to game plan for our strengths, not an opponent's weakness.
You attack weaknesses, but you don't plan the entire game around them.
Our strength lies in our running game and our defense.
So when we have the ball, we should run...


We need to run out of a touble tight end formation.
Just keep pounding the ball.
Wear them down.
Similar to the Herm Edwards philosophy.
3rd and 9, run it.
3rd and 15, run it.
Like Paul says better than giving them great field position all the time.

Marrdro
09-18-2007, 04:38 PM
"vikingivan" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"SharperImage" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


ONCE AGAIN!!! until we get the deep ball going like back in the moss days we are done.. they are gonna blitz an put 8 in tha box all day... WE NEED TO THROW DEEP..
CHilly prays that AP or CT will bus one of those screens for 70yards all tha time... it happens once n a blue moon... we need to throw deep an KCis weak right now.. Ty Law is good but slow.. go deep on him!!


Holy pooh.

Honestly, I am trying very, very hard not to Green Dot myself with this post.
Must... resist... urge...

OK.
Let's start with the obvious.
MOSS ISN'T ON THIS fricken TEAM ANYMORE.
(OK, calm down, breath...) Ahem.
As I was saying, we were able to throw deep when Moss was on the team because Moss was on the team.


Second, TJack is not very accurate with the deep ball.
Almost all of the deep passes he has thrown this season have been picked off or intercepted.
Why would you want to continue doing that?

Third, we tried going to the air attack against Detroit, who have a weaker secondary than KC.
They were putting 8 in the box too, and we thought we could beat them in the air.
We couldn't.
So instead of keeping the ball on the ground, and punting if a drive stalled, we were giving the ball back to them with great field position.
Not once, but four times.
One of the definitions of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Fourth, don't underestimate KC.
The reason they are losing right now is because they lost much of their O when their QB left.
And LJ can't run behind this new OL.
The defense is still holding its own.

Lastly, we need to game plan for our strengths, not an opponent's weakness.
You attack weaknesses, but you don't plan the entire game around them.
Our strength lies in our running game and our defense.
So when we have the ball, we should run...


We need to run out of a touble tight end formation.
Just keep pounding the ball.
Where them down.
Similar to the Herm Edwards philosophy.
3rd and 9, run it.
3rd and 15, run it.
Like Paul says better than giving them great field position all the time.

How is that working for Herm by the way?
Not so good as a Jet and seems to be a flop with the Chiefs.

I say flop the run.
We need to be a balanced offense (with possibly a bit more run than pass).
If we don't start working on it (the pass) during game time situations then we will never get thier.

Balance my friends is the way to success.
;D

marstc09
09-18-2007, 04:43 PM
How can we throw the ball deep when TJ has no time to throw deep!

vikingivan
09-18-2007, 04:49 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"vikingivan" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"SharperImage" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


ONCE AGAIN!!! until we get the deep ball going like back in the moss days we are done.. they are gonna blitz an put 8 in tha box all day... WE NEED TO THROW DEEP..
CHilly prays that AP or CT will bus one of those screens for 70yards all tha time... it happens once n a blue moon... we need to throw deep an KCis weak right now.. Ty Law is good but slow.. go deep on him!!


Holy pooh.

Honestly, I am trying very, very hard not to Green Dot myself with this post.
Must... resist... urge...

OK.
Let's start with the obvious.
MOSS ISN'T ON THIS fricken TEAM ANYMORE.
(OK, calm down, breath...) Ahem.
As I was saying, we were able to throw deep when Moss was on the team because Moss was on the team.


Second, TJack is not very accurate with the deep ball.
Almost all of the deep passes he has thrown this season have been picked off or intercepted.
Why would you want to continue doing that?

Third, we tried going to the air attack against Detroit, who have a weaker secondary than KC.
They were putting 8 in the box too, and we thought we could beat them in the air.
We couldn't.
So instead of keeping the ball on the ground, and punting if a drive stalled, we were giving the ball back to them with great field position.
Not once, but four times.
One of the definitions of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Fourth, don't underestimate KC.
The reason they are losing right now is because they lost much of their O when their QB left.
And LJ can't run behind this new OL.
The defense is still holding its own.

Lastly, we need to game plan for our strengths, not an opponent's weakness.
You attack weaknesses, but you don't plan the entire game around them.
Our strength lies in our running game and our defense.
So when we have the ball, we should run...


We need to run out of a touble tight end formation.
Just keep pounding the ball.
Where them down.
Similar to the Herm Edwards philosophy.
3rd and 9, run it.
3rd and 15, run it.
Like Paul says better than giving them great field position all the time.

How is that working for Herm by the way?
Not so good as a Jet and seems to be a flop with the Chiefs.

I say flop the run.
We need to be a balanced offense (with possibly a bit more run than pass).
If we don't start working on it (the pass) during game time situations then we will never get thier.

Balance my friends is the way to success.

;D


It doesn't work for Herm.
But, what other choice do we have?
Balance is the key.
But as we have witnessed there is a major flaw with our passing game.
Blame it on receivers, quarterback, scheme, or the line.
We simply cannot get the ball downfield.
I don't see many other options with the personnel we have.

V-Unit
09-18-2007, 04:56 PM
Run the fucking ball. Play to your team's strengths.

I'm being brief because my head is about to explode from this idiocy. I'm smart and threads like these just make me dumber.

jmcdon00
09-18-2007, 05:00 PM
"V" wrote:


Run the fucking ball. Play to your team's strengths.

I'm being brief because my head is about to explode from this idiocy. I'm smart and threads like these just make me dumber.

90% of people polled believe they are smarter than most people. ;)

V-Unit
09-18-2007, 05:02 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"V" wrote:


Run the fucking ball. Play to your team's strengths.

I'm being brief because my head is about to explode from this idiocy. I'm smart and threads like these just make me dumber.

90% of people polled believe they are smarter than most people. ;)


I don't believe it. I know it.

snowinapril
09-18-2007, 05:02 PM
"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


I like this post.

I think another line to add to it would be this.....

TJ seems like he isn't reading the Defense fast enough.
He is throwing behind WRs instead of thinking ahead and throwing it in front of them.
He is reacting not dictating.

The Deep Ball would be nice idea, but not all the time. You have to be able to connect on these throws.

We have thrown deep.
We just haven't connected, TJ's accuracy has been a big problem so far.
No team believes that we can throw it deep, yet!

Jereamiah
09-18-2007, 05:05 PM
Sorry, should have posted my last two "K.C. breakdown" queries in here. Run the ball, get it to some tight ends, get it to jimmy, run it, TOUCHDOWN!!! ;)

snowinapril
09-18-2007, 05:07 PM
"V" wrote:


Run the fricken ball. Play to your team's strengths.

I'm being brief because my head is about to explode from this idiocy. I'm smart and threads like these just make me dumber.


Isn't that more dumberer....
Dam, I hav ben wreading theese threds to much as of reascent

Desertvikingfan
09-18-2007, 05:15 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


I like this post.

I think another line to add to it would be this.....

TJ seems like he isn't reading the Defense fast enough.
He is throwing behind WRs instead of thinking ahead and throwing it in front of them.
He is reacting not dictating.

The Deep Ball would be nice idea, but not all the time. You have to be able to connect on these throws.

We have thrown deep.
We just haven't connected, TJ's accuracy has been a big problem so far.
No team believes that we can throw it deep, yet!They believe this because it's true. I haven't been able to even have that moment of excitement on a deep pass yet, the throws aren't even close. :(

singersp
09-18-2007, 05:50 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


OK if any1 watched yesterdays contest between the washington redskins an tha philly eagles.. the redskins ran on them ran on them then went deep.. they threw deep almost every passing play besides 3rd down. We have a big arm QB in Tjax we have speedy recivers in TWILL Fergie Ferg an Wade an Alison...Rice is our position reciver.. so im saying we run wit taylor run with peterson then on a 1st or 2nd down throw deep to Twill or Alison or Fergie Ferg. it makes sense.. TWILL has Excellent speed if he could catch it..


I lost all interest in this thread the second I read Fergie Ferg.


He's not a muppet for crying out loud.
:-\

MetalMike-LoudVike
09-18-2007, 05:56 PM
throwing deep yeah that sounds familar....... ::)
oh yeah been there done that did it pan out anyone? just a thought its Throwing Deep is not the solution here, and until either Jackson is developed to the point where his arm can win games, or option B we get a diffrent QB who can throw deep, and a Legitimate #1 reciever would help. Plus the Vikes need to shore up that line I won't say which.

jkjuggalo
09-18-2007, 06:26 PM
I have a better idea:
How bout we throw screen passes to MeMo and CT all day while pounding the rock w/ AD.
Then to switch up the passing game we throw bubble screens to TWill and Allison with the occasional pass the the flats for a 3 yard gain from Kleinsasser!

Now that's the offense I wanna see! ;D

NodakPaul
09-18-2007, 07:24 PM
"Desertvikingfan" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


Ahem. Ok if TJ has any problems at all it's throwing the deep ball accurately.

The o-line can't withstand the pass rush long enough to allow a deep ball.

& Troy Williamson's biggest problem is adjusting than catching said deep ball.

I'll pass.


I like this post.

I think another line to add to it would be this.....

TJ seems like he isn't reading the Defense fast enough.
He is throwing behind WRs instead of thinking ahead and throwing it in front of them.
He is reacting not dictating.

The Deep Ball would be nice idea, but not all the time. You have to be able to connect on these throws.

We have thrown deep.
We just haven't connected, TJ's accuracy has been a big problem so far.
No team believes that we can throw it deep, yet!They believe this because it's true. I haven't been able to even have that moment of excitement on a deep pass yet, the throws aren't even close. :(


I almost have to agree with you.
Every time I saw TJack throw it deep, my first thought is
"Please don't intercept it.
Please don't intercept it."
Is it bad when I am relieved that it is just incomplete? ;)

ultravikingfan
09-18-2007, 08:16 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


How can we throw the ball deep when TJ has no time to throw deep!


Thank you, thank you!

WTF?
Throw it deep?
To who?
When in the hell did he have time to toss it deep?
Were there any good sustained blocks?
Fuck no.
They had the run snuffed bigger than shit and they knew we had some pussies at WR.
They were not scared.

TJack does not have the time to toss one deep.
As soon as an opposing player poses a threat he is out of the pocket.
He is the last guy right now that is going to stand tall and let it rip.

...throw it deep...LMAO!

Mr Anderson
09-18-2007, 08:19 PM
Win the damn super bowl!!!!

Prophet
09-19-2007, 04:56 AM
People get all uptight when we throw the Madden comments into the mix.
I wonder how those comments come up?
Maybe, just maybe, if people would attempt to use their brains they wouldn't be accused of being more of a video game junky rather than a fan of the actual game.

Most points were probably addressed in this thread.
I'm going to use a few pts that are really confusing, plays from the first two games, imagine that.


Game 1: (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29201&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG1)

1-10-MIN 13
(13:12) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep left to 82-T.Williamson.


2-7-MIN 28
(11:57) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 18-S.Rice.


(9:15) 7-T.Jackson pass deep left intended for 81-V.Shiancoe INTERCEPTED by 21-D.Hall at ATL 22. 21-D.Hall to ATL 41 for 19 yards (49-T.Richardson).

2-10-MIN 21
(4:43) 7-T.Jackson pass deep left to 19-B.Wade to MIN 49 for 28 yards (24-J.Williams).


2-7-ATL 31
(2:01) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 18-S.Rice.



Game 2 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29220&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG2):

1-10-MIN 13
(:22) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 82-T.Williamson.


15:00) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass deep left intended for 89-R.Ferguson INTERCEPTED by 23-K.Smith at MIN 44. 23-K.Smith to MIN 39 for 5 yards (30-M.Moore). Minnesota challenged the runner was down by contact ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass deep left intended for 89-R.Ferguson INTERCEPTED by 23-K.Smith at DET 49. 23-K.Smith to DET 49 for no gain (30-M.Moore).

2-8-DET 41
(10:19) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep left to 89-R.Ferguson

1-10-MIN 30
(:31) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep left to 89-R.Ferguson [92-S.Rogers].


1-10-MIN 41
(:03) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 89-R.Ferguson [78-C.Redding].


(13:42) 7-T.Jackson pass deep middle intended for 19-B.Wade INTERCEPTED by 42-G.Alexander [99-D.White] at DET 35. 42-G.Alexander to MIN 31 for 34 yards (28-A.Peterson).

(8:30) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass deep right intended for 89-R.Ferguson INTERCEPTED by 44-I.Bashir at DET 35. 44-I.Bashir to DET 35 for no gain (89-R.Ferguson).

The bottom-line is that if you want to start a thread and not look like an idiot it is probably a good idea to base your thought off of a semblance of reality.
It's the WCO and there will be and were shots downfield.
This ain't madden, it is real.

Marrdro
09-19-2007, 07:29 AM
The bottom-line is that if you want to start a thread and not look like an idiot it is probably a good idea to base your thought off of a semblance of reality.
It's the WCO and there will be and were shots downfield.
This ain't madden, it is real.


Thanks.
Finally someone who has a clue.
Saved my keyboard my friend.

Why in the hell do people insist on saying we can't pass.
Is it because we can't pass deep.
Comeon people most of you are smarter than that.
Youth doesn't equate to lack of talent in my book.
Youth equates to inexperienced.

Seems to me that most of you should understand that there are several aspects to the passing attack other than the tried and true "Randy Ratio".
To me passing equates to short, intermediate and long to all recievers (WR, TE, RB).


Additionally, for the ones that still contend that we not only can't pass but shouldn't pass......... Well suffice it to say I won't finish that statement.


Think about this, what happens to a team that gets behind and has to give up the ground game and rely solely on the pass to catch up?
The D "Pins its Ears Back" and kills the QB. Another thing to think about.
How long does a RB last when all the team does is run the ball?

Long story short, if we don't use a balanced attack we will loose our RB's to injury and we will always be behind in games which will lead to us loosing our QB.

Fact is our WR's don't suck, nor does our QB.
They just need time to work through this.
How the hell are they gonna work through it if the staff doesn't game plan and use that aspect of the offense.

Again, I will say this isn't your damn Pee Wee Football league.
This is the Damn NFL.
That means we have real Coaches and Players and they will try to execute a real game plan.

Damn.

PurpleTide
09-19-2007, 08:03 AM
We have to mix it up, we just need to be less predictable, how about a play action on first down? We seem to run exclusively on first and 10, let's shake up the trend. Pass to set up the run, and run when they expect a pass. More screens and draws, with 8 in the box we should run a wr screen, get one good block and off to the races.

Prophet
09-19-2007, 09:19 AM
"PurpleTide" wrote:



We have to mix it up, we just need to be less predictable, how about a play action on first down? We seem to run exclusively on first and 10, let's shake up the trend. Pass to set up the run, and run when they expect a pass. More screens and draws, with 8 in the box we should run a wr screen, get one good block and off to the races.


All you have to do is look a few posts up to prove yourself wrong.
I posted only the 'deep ball' plays and there were four of those in 1st and 10.

Mr Anderson
09-19-2007, 09:37 AM
Personally, what I like to do, is take a shot down-field on 2nd and short situations.

If you don't get it, give it to Peterson and tell him to get that short yardage. Behind Hutch, Birk, McKinnie, he probably will.



Throwing on first down early in the game with the running game we have is just stupid. We need to establish the run, and not abandon it 2nd quarter(AD only got 2 carries in the second on sunday). When they're expecting the run on first down is when we play-action, and chuck it deep. It should work pretty well this week with their old corners and speedy Williamson. But those guys are smart, so they might not bite on the play-action.


Hey who knows, maybe with TJack's uncomposed spikes that I've read about from last week we'll be able to pull off the fake spike play.

V-Unit
09-19-2007, 09:50 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:



The bottom-line is that if you want to start a thread and not look like an idiot it is probably a good idea to base your thought off of a semblance of reality.
It's the WCO and there will be and were shots downfield.
This ain't madden, it is real.


Thanks.
Finally someone who has a clue.
Saved my keyboard my friend.

Why in the hell do people insist on saying we can't pass.
Is it because we can't pass deep.
Comeon people most of you are smarter than that.
Youth doesn't equate to lack of talent in my book.
Youth equates to inexperienced.

Seems to me that most of you should understand that there are several aspects to the passing attack other than the tried and true "Randy Ratio".
To me passing equates to short, intermediate and long to all recievers (WR, TE, RB).


Additionally, for the ones that still contend that we not only can't pass but shouldn't pass......... Well suffice it to say I won't finish that statement.



Think about this, what happens to a team that gets behind and has to give up the ground game and rely solely on the pass to catch up?
The D "Pins its Ears Back" and kills the QB. Another thing to think about.
How long does a RB last when all the team does is run the ball?

Long story short, if we don't use a balanced attack we will loose our RB's to injury and we will always be behind in games which will lead to us loosing our QB.

Fact is our WR's don't suck, nor does our QB.

They just need time to work through this.
How the hell are they gonna work through it if the staff doesn't game plan and use that aspect of the offense.

Again, I will say this isn't your damn Pee Wee Football league.
This is the Damn NFL.
That means we have real Coaches and Players and they will try to execute a real game plan.

Damn.



We can't pass Marrdro. It's that simple. There are several factors that play into that, but pretending that our ability to pass is just as good as our ability to run? At this point you are just lying to yourself.

You continaully bring up the Randy Ratio. You are the only poster I have seen in the last year refer to that gameplan. No one is expecting Randy Ratio, and by the way, the Randy Ratio didn't just consist of the deep ball. It consisted of screen passes, short slants, curls, and outs as well.

When we send our WRs deep, TJ misses them. Our TEs have not shown the ability to stretch the field, and for those complaing about OL play, how can you expect to send our RBs long? I hate to say it, but dip and dunk is the only thing we are capable of in the passing game.

What happens to a team that gets behind and has to rely soley on the pass game? Our defense has proved that we need not worry about that. We have had the opportunity to either tie, take the lead, or build on the lead in every single time the offense has taken the field. The Lions defense "pinned its ears back" not because the had a big lead, or had shutdown the run, but because we gave up on the run.

How long does an RB last on a running team? Well, it varies, but the fact is we have 3 capable backs. I say split 40 carries between the 3 of them. Is that too much to ask?

If we spell our backs appropriately and the defense keeps us in the game, then we have the chance to run the ball whenever we want.

I agree, the QB and WRs just need time, but the last gameplan put them in a position to fail. Going deep doesn't solve that. Passing on 1st and 10 doesn't either, nor does throwing the ball on 3rd and 1. The gameplan needs to change.

If we rely on our pass less, our passing attack will improve. That is why the WCO does not fit this team. I like well-balanced. What I don't like is our pass-first philosophy. Run to open up the pass. The talent that we have on the field SCREAMS that, and the coach is too stubborn to admit it.

The bottomline is that if we try to run the offense that we ran last Sunday, we will be sub .500.

mountainviking
09-19-2007, 10:11 AM
Balance is key!!
Run and Pass can set each other up!!
If we can spread out the D, AP and Co. will have a much better chance at breaking the long one!!
But, here's the problem as I see it:

I think we need some new routes!!
TJack is not very accurate on the deeeeep balls, so maybe we need some medium routes...how about a WR runs to fake it deep, then button hooks back?
How about Shank or Kleiny 15 or 20 yds down the middle?
How about some crossing patterns?
I'd like to see the slot guy go deep and the out guy cross under!
How about a WR fakes down the sideline, then cuts diagonally toward the middle, past the LBs and in between the Safeties?
TE runs toward the middle with a LB, then cuts outside toward the first down marker?
These shorter, yet first down length routes would probably also help us against the blitz...quick enough to get it off, and long enough to be past most of their attacking defenders!!

Of course, if the base pass protection doesn't improve, and the OLine penalties don't go down, not even Peyton Manning could make this offense purrrrr!

mountainviking
09-19-2007, 10:17 AM
And, Apparently, TJack and the WRs all need to work on their deep ball timing/accuracy more in practice!!


And, I agree that there were some plays that could have been called better!

3rd and 1 behind our left line should always be a first down by the running game!!

2nd and 5 is a great oppurtunity for play-action/taking a shot down field...

PurplePowerPunch
09-19-2007, 10:23 AM
I wanna see us take our shots down tha field on 1st down. I'm tired of seeing 8 and 9 in tha box all day against us all game long. Come on Chilli!!!

Prophet
09-19-2007, 10:30 AM
"PurplePowerPunch" wrote:


I wanna see us take our shots down tha field on 1st down. I'm tired of seeing 8 and 9 in tha box all day against us all game long. Come on Chilli!!!


Look back a few posts (reply #33) and you will see that they did EXACTLY that.
Why do people still pull stuff out of thier ass even when it has been shown that they did try that?
Wow.

Zeus
09-19-2007, 10:31 AM
"V" wrote:


How long does an RB last on a running team? Well, it varies, but the fact is we have 3 capable backs. I say split 40 carries between the 3 of them. Is that too much to ask?


Who was the 3rd against the Lions?
Because Chester Taylor was inactive.

=Z=

Marrdro
09-19-2007, 10:50 AM
"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



The bottom-line is that if you want to start a thread and not look like an idiot it is probably a good idea to base your thought off of a semblance of reality.
It's the WCO and there will be and were shots downfield.
This ain't madden, it is real.


Thanks.
Finally someone who has a clue.
Saved my keyboard my friend.

Why in the hell do people insist on saying we can't pass.
Is it because we can't pass deep.
Comeon people most of you are smarter than that.
Youth doesn't equate to lack of talent in my book.
Youth equates to inexperienced.

Seems to me that most of you should understand that there are several aspects to the passing attack other than the tried and true "Randy Ratio".
To me passing equates to short, intermediate and long to all recievers (WR, TE, RB).


Additionally, for the ones that still contend that we not only can't pass but shouldn't pass......... Well suffice it to say I won't finish that statement.



Think about this, what happens to a team that gets behind and has to give up the ground game and rely solely on the pass to catch up?
The D "Pins its Ears Back" and kills the QB. Another thing to think about.
How long does a RB last when all the team does is run the ball?

Long story short, if we don't use a balanced attack we will loose our RB's to injury and we will always be behind in games which will lead to us loosing our QB.

Fact is our WR's don't suck, nor does our QB.

They just need time to work through this.
How the hell are they gonna work through it if the staff doesn't game plan and use that aspect of the offense.

Again, I will say this isn't your gol 'darnit Pee Wee Football league.
This is the gol 'darnit NFL.
That means we have real Coaches and Players and they will try to execute a real game plan.

gol 'darnit.



We can't pass Marrdro. It's that simple. There are several factors that play into that, but pretending that our ability to pass is just as good as our ability to run? At this point you are just lying to yourself.

You continaully bring up the Randy Ratio. You are the only poster I have seen in the last year refer to that gameplan. No one is expecting Randy Ratio, and by the way, the Randy Ratio didn't just consist of the deep ball. It consisted of screen passes, short slants, curls, and outs as well.

When we send our WRs deep, TJ misses them. Our TEs have not shown the ability to stretch the field, and for those complaing about OL play, how can you expect to send our RBs long? I hate to say it, but dip and dunk is the only thing we are capable of in the passing game.

What happens to a team that gets behind and has to rely soley on the pass game? Our defense has proved that we need not worry about that. We have had the opportunity to either tie, take the lead, or build on the lead in every single time the offense has taken the field. The Lions defense "pinned its ears back" not because the had a big lead, or had shutdown the run, but because we gave up on the run.

How long does an RB last on a running team? Well, it varies, but the fact is we have 3 capable backs. I say split 40 carries between the 3 of them. Is that too much to ask?

If we spell our backs appropriately and the defense keeps us in the game, then we have the chance to run the ball whenever we want.

I agree, the QB and WRs just need time, but the last gameplan put them in a position to fail. Going deep doesn't solve that. Passing on 1st and 10 doesn't either, nor does throwing the ball on 3rd and 1. The gameplan needs to change.

If we rely on our pass less, our passing attack will improve. That is why the WCO does not fit this team. I like well-balanced. What I don't like is our pass-first philosophy. Run to open up the pass. The talent that we have on the field SCREAMS that, and the coach is too stubborn to admit it.

The bottomline is that if we try to run the offense that we ran last Sunday, we will be sub .500.



I give up.
Well almost.
;D

In no way am I pretending that our ability to pass is better than our run.
Infact my point is that we can't abandon it cause it isn't working.
Crypes, how many times to I have to say that before it sinks in.

;D

Additionally, the Lions didn't pin thier ears back because we gave up on the run.
They did it because they could do it at will.
Pretty sound concept to Zone Blitz.
Disrupts the run just the same as teh pass.


What makes you so sure we were pass happy and just chucking the ball everywhere?
Have you seen the game yet?
Its on tonight, however, take alook at the play by play and I think you will see that we were pretty balanced.

Here is a quick break down of our first 4 possesions.


1rst Possesion.
5 run/5 pass. Hmmmmmmmm
Don't see that as to pass happy.
Matter of fact seems to me there are more 1-10 runs than passes.1-10-MIN 21
(14:40) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for 8 yards (97-B.Bailey, 50-E.Sims).

1-10-MIN 40
(13:47) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 44 for 4 yards (50-E.Sims).

2nd Possesion.

Oooooopssss
Run again.
Of course a couple of penalties put us in a bad situation after that.
Suppose you wanted them to run out of that as well.
1-10-MIN 20
(6:35) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 29 for 9 yards (26-K.Kennedy).

Vikes elected to do the following after the penalties.
1-15-MIN 29
(5:36) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 19-B.Wade to MIN 39 for 10 yards (25-F.Bryant).

2-5-MIN 39
(5:01) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 42 for 3 yards (97-B.Bailey).

3-2-MIN 42
(4:24) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 82-T.Williamson (25-F.Bryant).


Not to pass happy to me.
Still appears to be a pretty balanced attack if I might say so myself.

3rd Possesion (Says Kitna but I think the stat guys typed it wrong.)
1-10-DET 48
(2:06) 8-J.Kitna pass deep middle to 87-M.Furrey to MIN 37 for 15 yards (42-D.Sharper).

1-10-MIN 13
(:22) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 82-T.Williamson.

2-10-MIN 13
(:14) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 15 for 2 yards (42-G.Alexander).

END QUARTER 1

(15:00) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass deep left intended for 89-R.Ferguson INTERCEPTED by 23-K.Smith at MIN 44. 23-K.Smith to MIN 39 for 5 yards (30-M.Moore). Minnesota challenged the runner was down by contact ruling, and the play was REVERSED.
3-8-MIN 15 (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass deep left intended for 89-R.Ferguson INTERCEPTED by 23-K.Smith at DET 49. 23-K.Smith to DET 49 for no gain (30-M.Moore).

Pretty pass happy here though.
Gotta give that to ya.


4th Possesion
1-10-DET 43
(10:58) 28-A.Peterson left end to DET 41 for 2 yards (21-T.Fisher; 53-P.Lenon).

2-8-DET 41
(10:19) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep left to 89-R.Ferguson.

3-8-DET 41
(10:13) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 89-R.Ferguson to DET 31 for 10 yards (25-F.Bryant).

1-10-DET 31
(9:52) 7-T.Jackson spiked the ball to stop the clock. Ball spiked to prevent challenge

2-10-DET 31
(9:49) 7-T.Jackson up the middle to DET 25 for 6 yards (50-E.Sims; 53-P.Lenon).

3-4-DET 25
(9:11) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 28-A.Peterson to DET 1 for 24 yards (78-C.Redding).

1-1-DET 1
(8:30) 7-T.Jackson right end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Pretty balanced here as well.

Look, I am not saying we need to chuck it deep every play but we do need to pass.
IMHO that means alot of 3 step drop passes as well as some dumpoffs to our backs (Rember the TD by AD in the Falcons game).



http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29220&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG2 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29220&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG2)

marstc09
09-19-2007, 11:34 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


How can we throw the ball deep when TJ has no time to throw deep!


Thank you, thank you!

WTF?
Throw it deep?
To who?
When in the hell did he have time to toss it deep?
Were there any good sustained blocks?
floop no.
They had the run snuffed bigger than pooh and they knew we had some pussies at WR.
They were not scared.

TJack does not have the time to toss one deep.
As soon as an opposing player poses a threat he is out of the pocket.
He is the last guy right now that is going to stand tall and let it rip.

...throw it deep...LMAO!


Exactly! The only real grudge I have against TJ is that he just tossed it in the air. Why didn't he take off and use his scrambling ability? It seem like when he tried to run he looked scared and undecisive.

Zeus
09-19-2007, 12:53 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


How can we throw the ball deep when TJ has no time to throw deep!


Thank you, thank you!

WTF?
Throw it deep?
To who?
When in the hell did he have time to toss it deep?
Were there any good sustained blocks?
floop no.
They had the run snuffed bigger than pooh and they knew we had some pussies at WR.
They were not scared.

TJack does not have the time to toss one deep.
As soon as an opposing player poses a threat he is out of the pocket.
He is the last guy right now that is going to stand tall and let it rip.

...throw it deep...LMAO!


Exactly! The only real grudge I have against TJ is that he just tossed it in the air. Why didn't he take off and use his scrambling ability? It seem like when he tried to run he looked scared and undecisive.


What makes you think he has scrambling ability?
That's not the style of offense he played in college, nor is it the style the Vikings say he has.

=Z=

Mr Anderson
09-19-2007, 01:06 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


How can we throw the ball deep when TJ has no time to throw deep!


Thank you, thank you!

WTF?
Throw it deep?
To who?
When in the hell did he have time to toss it deep?
Were there any good sustained blocks?
floop no.
They had the run snuffed bigger than pooh and they knew we had some pussies at WR.
They were not scared.

TJack does not have the time to toss one deep.
As soon as an opposing player poses a threat he is out of the pocket.
He is the last guy right now that is going to stand tall and let it rip.

...throw it deep...LMAO!


Exactly! The only real grudge I have against TJ is that he just tossed it in the air. Why didn't he take off and use his scrambling ability? It seem like when he tried to run he looked scared and undecisive.


What makes you think he has scrambling ability?
That's not the style of offense he played in college, nor is it the style the Vikings say he has.

=Z=


People assume he can run because he's a young, black, athletic QB with a cannon for an arm..... and wears #7.

rMossIsDirty
09-19-2007, 01:10 PM
The problem with our offense, which has been the problem for the last 3 years IMO, is that we work within 5 yards way too much. We have to work that middle range passing much more. The 12-20 yard passing game is what makes or breaks teams in the NFL. If you can open that up with some posts or comeback routes, then that opens up the offense.

Boddy Wade seems like a perfect fit for that type of passing game. We obviously aren't using our personal correctly and it shows. Rice needs to be in there at all times and I hope TJ is still in there next week. We just can run a quick slant and quick out offense all day. That just doesn't work in the NFL. Pound the round and hit some first downs in the passing game. Why doesn't Chilly see this? I don't get it.

Marrdro
09-19-2007, 01:21 PM
"rMossIsDirty" wrote:


The problem with our offense, which has been the problem for the last 3 years IMO, is that we work within 5 yards way too much. We have to work that middle range passing much more. The 12-20 yard passing game is what makes or breaks teams in the NFL. If you can open that up with some posts or comeback routes, then that opens up the offense.

Boddy Wade seems like a perfect fit for that type of passing game. We obviously aren't using our personal correctly and it shows. Rice needs to be in there at all times and I hope TJ is still in there next week. We just can run a quick slant and quick out offense all day. That just doesn't work in the NFL. Pound the round and hit some first downs in the passing game. Why doesn't Chilly see this? I don't get it.
I still like your screen name my friend.
;D

Lets be honest here.
The Chiller and his staff are really NFL coaches with alot of experience and believe it or not (some on here don't) he gets it.

Do you really think that they don't call plays of that nature?
I do, the problem is that there are alot of variables that come into play when executing any given play whether it be a pass or a run.


The defense could show something that causes the QB to change the play from pass to run (or vice versa) , the defense could blitz, they could drop a LB into coverage, heck our WR's might even run the wrong route.

Bottom line up front.
I don't care what alot of people think about our gameplan if one piece doesn't execute (for the Lions game it was the OL) the nothing else is gonna work either.


The frustration level on this site for some who understand that whole process is that there are some on the site that don't and think it is black and white on why our pass doesn't work or we seem to do alot of check downs instead of actually running a play that will get us the 7 yards.

Heck the same guys that are beeeyatching on this site about checkdowns for 3 yards or so are the same one beeeeyatching about the kid making a mistake by trying to force it to the chains.
Its a never ending cycle my friend.
;D

Mr Anderson
09-19-2007, 01:23 PM
"rMossIsDirty" wrote:


The problem with our offense, which has been the problem for the last 3 years IMO, is that we work within 5 yards way too much. We have to work that middle range passing much more. The 12-20 yard passing game is what makes or breaks teams in the NFL. If you can open that up with some posts or comeback routes, then that opens up the offense.

Boddy Wade seems like a perfect fit for that type of passing game. We obviously aren't using our personal correctly and it shows. Rice needs to be in there at all times and I hope TJ is still in there next week. We just can run a quick slant and quick out offense all day. That just doesn't work in the NFL. Pound the round and hit some first downs in the passing game. Why doesn't Chilly see this? I don't get it.


I agree about the 12-20 yard range.


But I think Rice and Williamson are more suited for that area of the field, Wade seems like the slasher type who'll go 5-10 and be open every time. I've been calling him a poor-man's Torry Holt for the entire offseason.

Marrdro
09-19-2007, 01:27 PM
"Mr" wrote:


"rMossIsDirty" wrote:


The problem with our offense, which has been the problem for the last 3 years IMO, is that we work within 5 yards way too much. We have to work that middle range passing much more. The 12-20 yard passing game is what makes or breaks teams in the NFL. If you can open that up with some posts or comeback routes, then that opens up the offense.

Boddy Wade seems like a perfect fit for that type of passing game. We obviously aren't using our personal correctly and it shows. Rice needs to be in there at all times and I hope TJ is still in there next week. We just can run a quick slant and quick out offense all day. That just doesn't work in the NFL. Pound the round and hit some first downs in the passing game. Why doesn't Chilly see this? I don't get it.


I agree about the 12-20 yard range.


But I think Rice and Williamson are more suited for that area of the field, Wade seems like the slasher type who'll go 5-10 and be open every time. I've been calling him a poor-man's Torry Holt for the entire offseason.

I've got him in 3 out of my 4 FF leagues.
;D

As for Rice, I agree, he seems to be a good fit for the 12-20 stuff but we have some vet in there called Ferguson who just so happened to drop one that hit him in the hands.


Watch the reply tonight.
He would have been off to the races if his old legs would have worked IF he wouldn't have dropped it.
;D

V-Unit
09-19-2007, 03:18 PM
Marrdro, you seem to honestly think that all the offense needs is not a change in QB, nor a change in WR, nor a change in playcalling, but time.

We will never agree on this. Currently, this team will win games when we run effectively and lose them when we don't. It is that simple.

Anyways, since all we need is time...how many games are you willing to give TJ and the WRs? Give me a real number, because you said it would happen last Sunday and it didn't.

So honestly, if we change nothing about our playcalling/personnel, when will we see the KAO?

tb04512
09-19-2007, 03:27 PM
"V" wrote:


Marrdro, you seem to honestly think that all the offense needs is not a change in QB, nor a change in WR, nor a change in playcalling, but time.

We will never agree on this. Currently, this team will win games when we run effectively and lose them when we don't. It is that simple.

Anyways, since all we need is time...how many games are you willing to give TJ and the WRs? Give me a real number, because you said it would happen last Sunday and it didn't.

So honestly, if we change nothing about our playcalling/personnel, when will we see the KAO?


i give it the year to see much improvement over the time

SharperImage
09-19-2007, 04:00 PM
Man Ive been a vikings fan since i was 14. thats a long time. well not really 11years tho. an the viking team im use to is throwing it deep for CC or RM or Daywane Bates.. I Mean Alison have 4.39 speed an Twill runs a 4.35 wtf is wrong with throwing deep on the GOOD but SLOW an OLD Kansas City defensive backs. 5-10 bombs a game would make me happen. Prophet i saw the timeline.. NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WHERE TIMED GOOD why not throw it deep on 3n1 or 2n1 or 2n2
or 3rd n 5..why do we have to be in a shotgun everytime we go deep?? evertime TJ went deep he was n a 3wr trips or a shotgun. why cant we go deep out of a I formation bomb to the
WR or in singleback deep to a WR DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS LIKE WE DID TO Detriot ull see tonite, on tha replay we made it obvious.

jessejames09
09-19-2007, 04:05 PM
Stop yelling man.

NodakPaul
09-19-2007, 04:08 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


Man Ive been a vikings fan since i was 14. thats a long time. well not really 11years tho. an the viking team im use to is throwing it deep for CC or RM or Daywane Bates.. I Mean Alison have 4.39 speed an Twill runs a 4.35 wtf is wrong with throwing deep on the GOOD but SLOW an OLD Kansas City defensive backs. 5-10 bombs a game would make me happen. Prophet i saw the timeline.. NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WHERE TIMED GOOD why not throw it deep on 3n1 or 2n1 or 2n2
or 3rd n 5..why do we have to be in a shotgun everytime we go deep?? evertime TJ went deep he was n a 3wr trips or a shotgun. why cant we go deep out of a I formation bomb to the
WR or in singleback deep to a WR DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS LIKE WE DID TO Detriot ull see tonite, on tha replay we made it obvious.


Man your posts are hard to read.

You said it yourself, you want us to throw deep because that was the type of play you were used to seeing.
This is not the same Vikings team as we had in the late 90's, early 2000's.
In order to bomb the ball you have to a) have a QB who can throw it down field accurately and b) have WRs who can run out of coverage and get the ball.
Right now we have neither.
What we do have, however, is an offense that is built around a run heavy version of the WCO.
That means that short, quick passes, and runs are the strength of our offense.


5-10 bombs a game is a pretty significant amount when there are normally only about 50 offensive plays in a game.
So you are saying that you want to throw a deep ball 10-20% of the time?

Had we not thrown the ball deep as readily as we did against Detroit, I honestly believe that there would have been a better outcome to the game.
Why on earth do you want to repeat the same mistake in KC?You should play for the strengths of your team first, and exploit your opponent's weaknesses second.

C Mac D
09-19-2007, 04:09 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


Man Ive been a vikings fan since i was 14. thats a long time. well not really 11years tho. an the viking team im use to is throwing it deep for CC or RM or Daywane Bates.. I Mean Alison have 4.39 speed an Twill runs a 4.35 wtf is wrong with throwing deep on the GOOD but SLOW an OLD Kansas City defensive backs. 5-10 bombs a game would make me happen. Prophet i saw the timeline.. NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WHERE TIMED GOOD why not throw it deep on 3n1 or 2n1 or 2n2
or 3rd n 5..why do we have to be in a shotgun everytime we go deep?? evertime TJ went deep he was n a 3wr trips or a shotgun. why cant we go deep out of a I formation bomb to the
WR or in singleback deep to a WR DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS LIKE WE DID TO Detriot ull see tonite, on tha replay we made it obvious.


It's "NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WERE TIMED WELL"

And with an avatar like that, I though you were talking about something totally different.

NodakPaul
09-19-2007, 04:12 PM
"C" wrote:


"SharperImage" wrote:


Man Ive been a vikings fan since i was 14. thats a long time. well not really 11years tho. an the viking team im use to is throwing it deep for CC or RM or Daywane Bates.. I Mean Alison have 4.39 speed an Twill runs a 4.35 wtf is wrong with throwing deep on the GOOD but SLOW an OLD Kansas City defensive backs. 5-10 bombs a game would make me happen. Prophet i saw the timeline.. NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WHERE TIMED GOOD why not throw it deep on 3n1 or 2n1 or 2n2
or 3rd n 5..why do we have to be in a shotgun everytime we go deep?? evertime TJ went deep he was n a 3wr trips or a shotgun. why cant we go deep out of a I formation bomb to the
WR or in singleback deep to a WR DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS LIKE WE DID TO Detriot ull see tonite, on tha replay we made it obvious.


It's "NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WERE TIMED WELL"

And with an avatar like that, I though you were talking about something totally different.


Dude, fix your sig.
That photo is so big that one of your posts takes up half the page...

Jereamiah
09-19-2007, 04:15 PM
I had a dream last night, Play action, followed by Kleinsasser coming out of the flat to catch a tight end screen followed by 20 yards of rumblin', stumblin touchdown GLORY!! It WILL come to pass
>:(. That's my determined face, I am going to will that play into fruition! :D I have really thought about it and screen passes followed by runs are all I want to see. I know it will happen!

Mr Anderson
09-19-2007, 04:17 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Mr" wrote:


"rMossIsDirty" wrote:


The problem with our offense, which has been the problem for the last 3 years IMO, is that we work within 5 yards way too much. We have to work that middle range passing much more. The 12-20 yard passing game is what makes or breaks teams in the NFL. If you can open that up with some posts or comeback routes, then that opens up the offense.

Boddy Wade seems like a perfect fit for that type of passing game. We obviously aren't using our personal correctly and it shows. Rice needs to be in there at all times and I hope TJ is still in there next week. We just can run a quick slant and quick out offense all day. That just doesn't work in the NFL. Pound the round and hit some first downs in the passing game. Why doesn't Chilly see this? I don't get it.


I agree about the 12-20 yard range.


But I think Rice and Williamson are more suited for that area of the field, Wade seems like the slasher type who'll go 5-10 and be open every time. I've been calling him a poor-man's Torry Holt for the entire offseason.

I've got him in 3 out of my 4 FF leagues.
;D

As for Rice, I agree, he seems to be a good fit for the 12-20 stuff but we have some vet in there called Ferguson who just so happened to drop one that hit him in the hands.


Watch the reply tonight.
He would have been off to the races if his old legs would have worked IF he wouldn't have dropped it.
;D


I wish I could watch it. I'm at school though. I'll call my little brother and tell him to DVR it for me.

C Mac D
09-19-2007, 04:24 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"SharperImage" wrote:


Man Ive been a vikings fan since i was 14. thats a long time. well not really 11years tho. an the viking team im use to is throwing it deep for CC or RM or Daywane Bates.. I Mean Alison have 4.39 speed an Twill runs a 4.35 wtf is wrong with throwing deep on the GOOD but SLOW an OLD Kansas City defensive backs. 5-10 bombs a game would make me happen. Prophet i saw the timeline.. NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WHERE TIMED GOOD why not throw it deep on 3n1 or 2n1 or 2n2
or 3rd n 5..why do we have to be in a shotgun everytime we go deep?? evertime TJ went deep he was n a 3wr trips or a shotgun. why cant we go deep out of a I formation bomb to the
WR or in singleback deep to a WR DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS LIKE WE DID TO Detriot ull see tonite, on tha replay we made it obvious.


It's "NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WERE TIMED WELL"

And with an avatar like that, I though you were talking about something totally different.


Dude, fix your sig.
That photo is so big that one of your posts takes up half the page...


Fixed.

Braddock
09-19-2007, 04:30 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


Man Ive been a vikings fan since i was 14. thats a long time. well not really 11years tho. an the viking team im use to is throwing it deep for CC or RM or Daywane Bates.. I Mean Alison have 4.39 speed an Twill runs a 4.35 wtf is wrong with throwing deep on the GOOD but SLOW an OLD Kansas City defensive backs. 5-10 bombs a game would make me happen. Prophet i saw the timeline.. NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WHERE TIMED GOOD why not throw it deep on 3n1 or 2n1 or 2n2
or 3rd n 5..why do we have to be in a shotgun everytime we go deep?? evertime TJ went deep he was n a 3wr trips or a shotgun. why cant we go deep out of a I formation bomb to the
WR or in singleback deep to a WR DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS LIKE WE DID TO Detriot ull see tonite, on tha replay we made it obvious.


We had to , b/c with deep routes, receivers need time to get out deep. Therefore more time for the QB to be standing. The way our Oline was playing, he needed as much distance from the defense as possible. Blame the Oline, not childress.

NodakPaul
09-19-2007, 04:32 PM
"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"SharperImage" wrote:


Man Ive been a vikings fan since i was 14. thats a long time. well not really 11years tho. an the viking team im use to is throwing it deep for CC or RM or Daywane Bates.. I Mean Alison have 4.39 speed an Twill runs a 4.35 wtf is wrong with throwing deep on the GOOD but SLOW an OLD Kansas City defensive backs. 5-10 bombs a game would make me happen. Prophet i saw the timeline.. NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WHERE TIMED GOOD why not throw it deep on 3n1 or 2n1 or 2n2
or 3rd n 5..why do we have to be in a shotgun everytime we go deep?? evertime TJ went deep he was n a 3wr trips or a shotgun. why cant we go deep out of a I formation bomb to the
WR or in singleback deep to a WR DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS LIKE WE DID TO Detriot ull see tonite, on tha replay we made it obvious.


It's "NONE OF THOSE BOMBS WERE TIMED WELL"

And with an avatar like that, I though you were talking about something totally different.


Dude, fix your sig.
That photo is so big that one of your posts takes up half the page...


Fixed.


LMAO.
Well played.

SharperImage
09-19-2007, 04:36 PM
Throwing it deep will make people respect our pass game. its all about respect. if they have to respect the bomb then they leave the run open. its common sense..i mean flares an baby screens an dunks can be covered n a cover 3 or 2 so i mean they can really beat both run n pass n one defense


thats all im saying. THrow it deep to earn respect then run it down there throat with AP

Jereamiah
09-19-2007, 04:40 PM
I saw a 60 yard T.D, Thrown real deep, about 4 yards or so. Keep doing that. Everyone saw what happens when the ball goes more than 15 yards. Screens, please, more screens.

NodakPaul
09-19-2007, 04:41 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


Throwing it deep will make people respect our pass game. its all about respect. if they have to respect the bomb then they leave the run open. its common sense..i mean flares an baby screens an dunks can be covered n a cover 3 or 2 so i mean they can really beat both run n pass n one defense


thats all im saying. THrow it deep to earn respect then run it down there throat with AP


But you seem to be missing the obvious point.
We are not very good at throwing it deep.
Nobody will respect a 40 yard interception or incompletion.
On the rare event that we complete something deep, defenses will regard it as exactly that - a rare event.
Game planning around the deep threat when it is obviously the weakest part of your offense is ridiculous.

C Mac D
09-19-2007, 04:57 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"SharperImage" wrote:


Throwing it deep will make people respect our pass game. its all about respect. if they have to respect the bomb then they leave the run open. its common sense..i mean flares an baby screens an dunks can be covered n a cover 3 or 2 so i mean they can really beat both run n pass n one defense


thats all im saying. THrow it deep to earn respect then run it down there throat with AP


But you seem to be missing the obvious point.
We are not very good at throwing it deep.
Nobody will respect a 40 yard interception or incompletion.
On the rare event that we complete something deep, defenses will regard it as exactly that - a rare event.
Game planning around the deep threat when it is obviously the weakest part of your offense is ridiculous.


Exactly...

SharperImage, I had to scratch my head when I first read your post. The whole point is that we can't pass it deep.

cajunvike
09-19-2007, 05:24 PM
"The WRs need to run deep...so deep put the DBs to sleep..."

SharperImage
09-19-2007, 06:00 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"The WRs need to run deep...so deep put the DBs to sleep..."


Ahh cajun nice perv cut out from Ice Cube today was a good day.. I diddnt no u listened to old skool rap.

back on subject. AAAHEMMM... THROW IT DEEP

kspurplepride
09-19-2007, 07:23 PM
teams that live and die on the deep ball don't hang around very often... run the ball its more consistant... and for the record the Cover 2 and 3 are ment to stop the deep ball, both defenses are ment to keep people in front of you. Neither are very effective run defenses out of a base set

ultravikingfan
09-30-2007, 01:09 PM
Happier?

We had some attempts deep, one on the first drive of the game.
However, we have the anibility to make the play or make a good pass.

singersp
10-14-2007, 09:12 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Happier?

We had some attempts deep, one on the first drive of the game.
However, we have the inability to make the play or make a good pass.


Yep! Mostly because of the QB. Interesting facts.........

Category: Deep passes

The West Coast offense might not call for consistent deep shots, but for a good rushing team to keep a defense honest, the threat of a long completion must exist. The Vikings consider an explosive pass play one that goes 16 or more yards. They have 10 this season, but the longest pass to a wide receiver was a 40-yarder to Bobby Wade against Green Bay. Wide receivers and their longest reception: Troy Williamson, 16 yards; Sidney Rice, 15; Robert Ferguson, 12; Aundrae Allison, 11 -- not exactly figures that cause defensive coordinators to move defenders out of the box.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1481430.html

Prophet
02-11-2008, 08:47 AM
My dredge of the day.
Better yet, toss it deep to Williamson, I heard he's really, really fast.

SharperImage
02-11-2008, 08:50 AM
Hmm i remeber when i started this thread. I was very upset.

Marrdro
02-11-2008, 08:54 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"V" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



The bottom-line is that if you want to start a thread and not look like an idiot it is probably a good idea to base your thought off of a semblance of reality.
It's the WCO and there will be and were shots downfield.
This ain't madden, it is real.


Thanks.
Finally someone who has a clue.
Saved my keyboard my friend.

Why in the hell do people insist on saying we can't pass.
Is it because we can't pass deep.
Comeon people most of you are smarter than that.
Youth doesn't equate to lack of talent in my book.
Youth equates to inexperienced.

Seems to me that most of you should understand that there are several aspects to the passing attack other than the tried and true "Randy Ratio".
To me passing equates to short, intermediate and long to all recievers (WR, TE, RB).


Additionally, for the ones that still contend that we not only can't pass but shouldn't pass......... Well suffice it to say I won't finish that statement.



Think about this, what happens to a team that gets behind and has to give up the ground game and rely solely on the pass to catch up?
The D "Pins its Ears Back" and kills the QB. Another thing to think about.
How long does a RB last when all the team does is run the ball?

Long story short, if we don't use a balanced attack we will loose our RB's to injury and we will always be behind in games which will lead to us loosing our QB.

Fact is our WR's don't suck, nor does our QB.

They just need time to work through this.
How the hell are they gonna work through it if the staff doesn't game plan and use that aspect of the offense.

Again, I will say this isn't your gol 'darnit Pee Wee Football league.
This is the gol 'darnit NFL.
That means we have real Coaches and Players and they will try to execute a real game plan.

gol 'darnit.



We can't pass Marrdro. It's that simple. There are several factors that play into that, but pretending that our ability to pass is just as good as our ability to run? At this point you are just lying to yourself.

You continaully bring up the Randy Ratio. You are the only poster I have seen in the last year refer to that gameplan. No one is expecting Randy Ratio, and by the way, the Randy Ratio didn't just consist of the deep ball. It consisted of screen passes, short slants, curls, and outs as well.

When we send our WRs deep, TJ misses them. Our TEs have not shown the ability to stretch the field, and for those complaing about OL play, how can you expect to send our RBs long? I hate to say it, but dip and dunk is the only thing we are capable of in the passing game.

What happens to a team that gets behind and has to rely soley on the pass game? Our defense has proved that we need not worry about that. We have had the opportunity to either tie, take the lead, or build on the lead in every single time the offense has taken the field. The Lions defense "pinned its ears back" not because the had a big lead, or had shutdown the run, but because we gave up on the run.

How long does an RB last on a running team? Well, it varies, but the fact is we have 3 capable backs. I say split 40 carries between the 3 of them. Is that too much to ask?

If we spell our backs appropriately and the defense keeps us in the game, then we have the chance to run the ball whenever we want.

I agree, the QB and WRs just need time, but the last gameplan put them in a position to fail. Going deep doesn't solve that. Passing on 1st and 10 doesn't either, nor does throwing the ball on 3rd and 1. The gameplan needs to change.

If we rely on our pass less, our passing attack will improve. That is why the WCO does not fit this team. I like well-balanced. What I don't like is our pass-first philosophy. Run to open up the pass. The talent that we have on the field SCREAMS that, and the coach is too stubborn to admit it.

The bottomline is that if we try to run the offense that we ran last Sunday, we will be sub .500.



I give up.
Well almost.
;D

In no way am I pretending that our ability to pass is better than our run.
Infact my point is that we can't abandon it cause it isn't working.
Crypes, how many times to I have to say that before it sinks in.

;D

Additionally, the Lions didn't pin thier ears back because we gave up on the run.
They did it because they could do it at will.
Pretty sound concept to Zone Blitz.
Disrupts the run just the same as teh pass.


What makes you so sure we were pass happy and just chucking the ball everywhere?
Have you seen the game yet?
Its on tonight, however, take alook at the play by play and I think you will see that we were pretty balanced.

Here is a quick break down of our first 4 possesions.


1rst Possesion.
5 run/5 pass. Hmmmmmmmm
Don't see that as to pass happy.
Matter of fact seems to me there are more 1-10 runs than passes.1-10-MIN 21
(14:40) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for 8 yards (97-B.Bailey, 50-E.Sims).

1-10-MIN 40
(13:47) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 44 for 4 yards (50-E.Sims).

2nd Possesion.

Oooooopssss
Run again.
Of course a couple of penalties put us in a bad situation after that.
Suppose you wanted them to run out of that as well.
1-10-MIN 20
(6:35) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 29 for 9 yards (26-K.Kennedy).

Vikes elected to do the following after the penalties.
1-15-MIN 29
(5:36) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 19-B.Wade to MIN 39 for 10 yards (25-F.Bryant).

2-5-MIN 39
(5:01) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 42 for 3 yards (97-B.Bailey).

3-2-MIN 42
(4:24) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 82-T.Williamson (25-F.Bryant).


Not to pass happy to me.
Still appears to be a pretty balanced attack if I might say so myself.

3rd Possesion (Says Kitna but I think the stat guys typed it wrong.)
1-10-DET 48
(2:06) 8-J.Kitna pass deep middle to 87-M.Furrey to MIN 37 for 15 yards (42-D.Sharper).

1-10-MIN 13
(:22) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 82-T.Williamson.

2-10-MIN 13
(:14) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 15 for 2 yards (42-G.Alexander).

END QUARTER 1

(15:00) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass deep left intended for 89-R.Ferguson INTERCEPTED by 23-K.Smith at MIN 44. 23-K.Smith to MIN 39 for 5 yards (30-M.Moore). Minnesota challenged the runner was down by contact ruling, and the play was REVERSED.
3-8-MIN 15 (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass deep left intended for 89-R.Ferguson INTERCEPTED by 23-K.Smith at DET 49. 23-K.Smith to DET 49 for no gain (30-M.Moore).

Pretty pass happy here though.
Gotta give that to ya.


4th Possesion
1-10-DET 43
(10:58) 28-A.Peterson left end to DET 41 for 2 yards (21-T.Fisher; 53-P.Lenon).

2-8-DET 41
(10:19) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep left to 89-R.Ferguson.

3-8-DET 41
(10:13) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 89-R.Ferguson to DET 31 for 10 yards (25-F.Bryant).

1-10-DET 31
(9:52) 7-T.Jackson spiked the ball to stop the clock. Ball spiked to prevent challenge

2-10-DET 31
(9:49) 7-T.Jackson up the middle to DET 25 for 6 yards (50-E.Sims; 53-P.Lenon).

3-4-DET 25
(9:11) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 28-A.Peterson to DET 1 for 24 yards (78-C.Redding).

1-1-DET 1
(8:30) 7-T.Jackson right end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Pretty balanced here as well.

Look, I am not saying we need to chuck it deep every play but we do need to pass.
IMHO that means alot of 3 step drop passes as well as some dumpoffs to our backs (Rember the TD by AD in the Falcons game).



http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29220&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG2 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29220&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG2)


Old Mean Marrdro was on a soapbox in this one wasn't he.
Sure glad that guy left.
;D

NodakPaul
02-11-2008, 09:01 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


Old Mean Marrdro was on a soapbox in this one wasn't he.
Sure glad that guy left.
;D


Not me.
The new nicer Marrdro is a pussy. ;)

Prophet
02-11-2008, 09:02 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Old Mean Marrdro was on a soapbox in this one wasn't he.
Sure glad that guy left.

;D


Not me.
The new nicer Marrdro is a pussy. ;)


lmao, yeah, where is that asshole marr?

purplepat
02-11-2008, 09:04 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Happier?

We had some attempts deep, one on the first drive of the game.
However, we have the inability to make the play or make a good pass.


Yep! Mostly because of the QB. Interesting facts.........

Category: Deep passes

The West Coast offense might not call for consistent deep shots, but for a good rushing team to keep a defense honest, the threat of a long completion must exist. The Vikings consider an explosive pass play one that goes 16 or more yards. They have 10 this season, but the longest pass to a wide receiver was a 40-yarder to Bobby Wade against Green Bay. Wide receivers and their longest reception: Troy Williamson, 16 yards; Sidney Rice, 15; Robert Ferguson, 12; Aundrae Allison, 11 -- not exactly figures that cause defensive coordinators to move defenders out of the box.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1481430.html


Singer, keep in mind that this article that you are quoting from was posted after the Vikings had played exactly four games this year.
Not to say that the Vikings went downfield (deep or even midrange) often enough for my liking this past year, but if you are going to post stuff like this (even with a link), you should note that it only covered 1/4th of the season.

NodakPaul
02-11-2008, 09:07 AM
"purplepat" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Happier?

We had some attempts deep, one on the first drive of the game.
However, we have the inability to make the play or make a good pass.


Yep! Mostly because of the QB. Interesting facts.........

Category: Deep passes

The West Coast offense might not call for consistent deep shots, but for a good rushing team to keep a defense honest, the threat of a long completion must exist. The Vikings consider an explosive pass play one that goes 16 or more yards. They have 10 this season, but the longest pass to a wide receiver was a 40-yarder to Bobby Wade against Green Bay. Wide receivers and their longest reception: Troy Williamson, 16 yards; Sidney Rice, 15; Robert Ferguson, 12; Aundrae Allison, 11 -- not exactly figures that cause defensive coordinators to move defenders out of the box.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1481430.html


Singer, keep in mind that this article that you are quoting from was posted after the Vikings had played exactly four games this year.
Not to say that the Vikings went downfield (deep or even midrange) often enough for my liking this past year, but if you are going to post stuff like this (even with a link), you should note that it only covered 1/4th of the season.


LOL>
Pat, singer posted his comment on the same day that articles was printed.
This thread is from last October... :D

Marrdro
02-11-2008, 09:24 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


Old Mean Marrdro was on a soapbox in this one wasn't he.
Sure glad that guy left.

;D


Not me.
The new nicer Marrdro is a "meow". ;)


lmao, yeah, where is that donkey butt marr?

Hell hath no fury unless a Mod with a Greendot comes calling.
;D

singersp
02-12-2008, 05:48 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"purplepat" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


Happier?

We had some attempts deep, one on the first drive of the game.
However, we have the inability to make the play or make a good pass.


Yep! Mostly because of the QB. Interesting facts.........

Category: Deep passes

The West Coast offense might not call for consistent deep shots, but for a good rushing team to keep a defense honest, the threat of a long completion must exist. The Vikings consider an explosive pass play one that goes 16 or more yards. They have 10 this season, but the longest pass to a wide receiver was a 40-yarder to Bobby Wade against Green Bay. Wide receivers and their longest reception: Troy Williamson, 16 yards; Sidney Rice, 15; Robert Ferguson, 12; Aundrae Allison, 11 -- not exactly figures that cause defensive coordinators to move defenders out of the box.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1481430.html


Singer, keep in mind that this article that you are quoting from was posted after the Vikings had played exactly four games this year.
Not to say that the Vikings went downfield (deep or even midrange) often enough for my liking this past year, but if you are going to post stuff like this (even with a link), you should note that it only covered 1/4th of the season.


LOL>
Pat, singer posted his comment on the same day that articles was printed.
This thread is from last October... :D


LOL! Ditto what he said.
http://www.smilies-and-more.de/pics/smilies/hands/006.gif

jessejames09
02-12-2008, 09:24 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


My dredge of the day.
Better yet, toss it deep to Williamson, I heard he's really, really fast.


You can't teach speed, once he learns to catch he'll be a premiere WR in the NFL!

C Mac D
02-12-2008, 09:27 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


My dredge of the day.
Better yet, toss it deep to Williamson, I heard he's really, really fast.


You can't teach speed, once he learns to catch he'll be a premiere WR in the NFL!


Hell... I'd settle for him at least being decent. 3 years in the NFL and he has a little over a 1,000 total yards and 3 touchdowns? Wow... that's just piss-poor.

Prophet
02-12-2008, 09:30 AM
"jessejames09" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


My dredge of the day.
Better yet, toss it deep to Williamson, I heard he's really, really fast.


You can't teach speed, once he learns to catch he'll be a premiere WR in the NFL!


lmao, yeah, a top 10 draft pick in the NFL with three seasons under his belt has to learn to catch when his title is, 'wide receiver'.
Nothing like paying someone an exorbitant salary when they cannot even do the primary function of their job description.
Condoleezza Rice is really smart, she should be a QB in the NFL, all she has to do is learn how to throw the ball accurately and she will complement Williamson.

jessejames09
02-12-2008, 09:32 AM
"C" wrote:


"jessejames09" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


My dredge of the day.
Better yet, toss it deep to Williamson, I heard he's really, really fast.


You can't teach speed, once he learns to catch he'll be a premiere WR in the NFL!


Hell... I'd settle for him at least being decent. 3 years in the NFL and he has a little over a 1,000 total yards and 3 touchdowns? Wow... that's just piss-poor.


Forgot eye roll smiley I guess.

I don't think I will ever like him. As far as I'm concerned he's a scam artist that conned his way into millions of dollars, and does nothing but be fast to earn his yearly salary.