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PAvikesfan
11-17-2004, 10:57 AM
a pittsburg fan-friend of mine brought up a good point... The Eagles who are supposed to be the NFC's elite had trouble against a half-decent baltimore and just fell apart when they played the AFC's now elite Pittsburg. This leads me to think, the NFC is lousy compaired to the teams in the AFC.

Here are the elite? in the NFC:
1. Eagles
2. Atlanta
3. Vikes
4. Greenbay
5. Rams

That is it! none of these teams are impressive, including (sorry to say, the vikes) compaired to AFC's elite which extends much farther and wider:

1. Pitt
2. Colts
3. Patriots
4. Jags
5. Chargers
6. Ravens
7. and even the Jets and Bengals

The NFC just cannot compete right now...this is why Vegas already is giving any AFC team in the super bowl the odds. Every one of the NFC elite has a sub-par defense. If only the Vikes get there defense on track, they would be a powerhouse in the NFC. the eagles have no excuse to not make it to the superbowl and the vikes have no excuse to not make it to the play-offs this year... hell, we should be able to get in with 9-7 as long as we beat Green Bay over x-mas.... LET'S MAKE A RUN! GO VIKES!

dan3ski
11-17-2004, 11:17 AM
The Vikings have the talent if they would just play 60 minutes of football they would be awesome. I think it is a coaching problem. Tice's doghouse is full all the time and it is way to easy to get in there.

snowinapril
11-17-2004, 11:26 AM
"dan3ski" wrote:

The Vikings have the talent if they would just play 60 minutes of football they would be awesome. I think it is a coaching problem. Tice's doghouse is full all the time and it is way to easy to get in there.

The pessimists are going to be all over your comment. It is a way too optimistic view of our team than they would like.

I want to agree with you. I definitely agree with you on the offense. We need to get more consistant play from the D. They have shown glimpses and I am not giving up on them yet. We need to make the playoffs so we get an extra few games to let the D roll.

snowinapril
11-17-2004, 11:32 AM
"PAvikesfan" wrote:

a pittsburg fan-friend of mine brought up a good point... The Eagles who are supposed to be the NFC's elite had trouble against a half-decent baltimore and just fell apart when they played the AFC's now elite Pittsburg. This leads me to think, the NFC is lousy compaired to the teams in the AFC.

Here are the elite? in the NFC:
1. Eagles
2. Atlanta
3. Vikes
4. Greenbay
5. Rams

That is it! none of these teams are impressive, including (sorry to say, the vikes) compaired to AFC's elite which extends much farther and wider:

1. Pitt
2. Colts
3. Patriots
4. Jags
5. Chargers
6. Ravens
7. and even the Jets and Bengals

The NFC just cannot compete right now...this is why Vegas already is giving any AFC team in the super bowl the odds. Every one of the NFC elite has a sub-par defense. If only the Vikes get there defense on track, they would be a powerhouse in the NFC. the eagles have no excuse to not make it to the superbowl and the vikes have no excuse to not make it to the play-offs this year... hell, we should be able to get in with 9-7 as long as we beat Green Bay over x-mas.... LET'S MAKE A RUN! GO VIKES!

True, this is the year to emerge from the NFC. In order to win the SB you have to get there. It is easier to get there in the NFC this year.

Once you get there it is a 50-50 chance to win.

I think that the NFC is in that everyone is equal stage. The teams in the NFL that have the D get the props. The NFC has no real D power house orientated teams this year. The couple of teams in the NFC that have D have no O, ARIZONA and BEARS. I thought that the Giants had D but they have be decimated by injuries the last few weeks and struggled against a few teams that have D, the BEARS, AZ, Lions.

cajunvike
11-17-2004, 01:04 PM
"dan3ski" wrote:

The Vikings have the talent if they would just play 60 minutes of football they would be awesome. I think it is a coaching problem. Tice's doghouse is full all the time and it is way to easy to get in there.

Tice should be in his own doghouse with all the stupid calls he has made this year...I really like the guy, but he needs to get his sh*t together!

PAvikesfan
11-17-2004, 03:03 PM
not giving up on the Vikes...don't won't. "We HAVE THEM (the NFC) RIGHT WHERE WE WANT THEM!" if the NFC teams will be lousy, which they are, than the Vikes can easily be the shiniest piece of doody on this side of the country, if not the entire NFC. If our D makes the other team punt more than 6 times a game we will win more and more and more... i am not even setting the goals too high here...more than 6 times to win more...more than 10 punts to win every game. this is because of our potent O even w/o Moss.

it sounds simple but tell that to Cotrell...'sigh' he either stinks or our Defense is too dumb to play his Defensive sceems...

later.

Packerguy
11-17-2004, 03:37 PM
I totally agree with this post.

Ironically this is precisely why Packer and viking fans can get a bit excited because there is no dominate team to have to go through on the road to the superbowl.

If either of these teams (packers, vikings) had above average defenses they would be scary.

My opinion is philly can be beat. I look forward to the packers taking their shot at them.

VikingsTw
11-17-2004, 03:42 PM
Oh i know Philly can be beat, there good because they beat the teams they should beat, but there Schedule is cake and they dont play high compition much this year. They played both the Vikes and Packers but niether team played up to there potential against them.

JWalkRulz84
11-17-2004, 04:51 PM
the pack is yet to play philly yet. the way that run d in philly plays, i like our chances.

hawaiianvike21
11-17-2004, 06:22 PM
And with the way the packer secondary played as well as philly being at home, I like the eagles chances.

LosAngelis
11-17-2004, 06:28 PM
I'll be honest...I don't count GB among the elite teams right now. They really have to step it up a notch to be in that group.

I think Minnesota is in the group with Moss, but if comes back and can't play any more this season (a possibility with a hammy), the Vikes are out of the elite also.

To be honest, I really don't see the Rams OR the Falcons being "elite" in the truest sense. I would really only give the title to Philly until some other NFC team proves otherwise.

XTAP59
11-17-2004, 06:49 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:

"dan3ski" wrote:

The Vikings have the talent if they would just play 60 minutes of football they would be awesome. I think it is a coaching problem. Tice's doghouse is full all the time and it is way to easy to get in there.

Tice should be in his own doghouse with all the stupid calls he has made this year...I really like the guy, but he needs to get his sh*t together!

Alas, that is the main problem. Tice gets outcoached.

CT Viking Man
11-17-2004, 06:59 PM
I am still not impressed with Atlanta even with their record at 7-2. Philly as it stands should have a cake-walk through the NFC but based upon the past three years they may falter when it matters most. The rest of the NFC is average right now, no clear powers.

cheesefree
11-17-2004, 07:03 PM
"PAvikesfan" wrote:

a pittsburg fan-friend of mine brought up a good point... The Eagles who are supposed to be the NFC's elite had trouble against a half-decent baltimore and just fell apart when they played the AFC's now elite Pittsburg. This leads me to think, the NFC is lousy compaired to the teams in the AFC.

Here are the elite? in the NFC:
1. Eagles
2. Atlanta
3. Vikes
4. Greenbay
5. Rams

That is it! none of these teams are impressive, including (sorry to say, the vikes) compaired to AFC's elite which extends much farther and wider:

1. Pitt
2. Colts
3. Patriots
4. Jags
5. Chargers
6. Ravens
7. and even the Jets and Bengals


The Broncos sure snuck under the radar on this list. I think they are a much better balanced team than the defenseless Colts or offenseless Ravens. The Bengals aren't even at .500 yet, and it might be a little early to put the Chargers in the elite category also.

snowinapril
11-17-2004, 10:11 PM
Yeah, the AFC list should definitely have the Broncos on there.

They are a little inconsistant but they are tough.

As Plummer goes so do the Broncs.

PAvikesfan
11-18-2004, 09:32 AM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

I'll be honest...I don't count GB among the elite teams right now. They really have to step it up a notch to be in that group.

I think Minnesota is in the group with Moss, but if comes back and can't play any more this season (a possibility with a hammy), the Vikes are out of the elite also.

To be honest, I really don't see the Rams OR the Falcons being "elite" in the truest sense. I would really only give the title to Philly until some other NFC team proves otherwise.

this is my whole point... Green Bay, the Vikes, and St. Louis shouldn't really be the elite NFC, but becuase the NFC sucks so much, they unfortunately are.. I am not talking predictions here, i am talking what it is like now. Philly is the only team that would be elite in either NFC or AFC, and they are not as good as a lot of people think they are. The best teams in the NFL are the Patriots, the Stealers, and the Colts (this is even with their lack of D, cause philly has little D too)... then maybe Philly (cause their offense isn't as good as INDY).

PAvikesfan
11-18-2004, 09:51 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:

Yeah, the AFC list should definitely have the Broncos on there.

They are a little inconsistant but they are tough.

As Plummer goes so do the Broncs.

you know, i thought about denver hitting my list...this is what i usually say about them when asked (simply) "Those Broncos are a squirly bunch..."

they are not great, but they tend to give good and bad teams the same treatment--(broncos say) "we will just stick around till the end of the game and see if we get the last posession...we don't try to kill anyone..."

they recently took a bit of a skid, losing to Cin and ATL...they barely beat Carolina and Tampa...last time I checked 3 out of four of these teams were from crappy NFC... the only team they killed was Oakland which my flag football team could beat. The broncos are somewhere in there (the bottom of the elite) maybe tied with CIN and the Jets, but not much better. If they were in the NFC, they be right behind Atlanta (at #3). I do predict Cin will be the Stealer spoiler this Sunday...but who knows....