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Vikes
11-09-2004, 01:19 AM
I hope Miami offers Tice a deal! Since so many people think he is a decent coach I hope he goes to Miami to turn there team around! I think he should share his coaching ability with the disadvantaged. Kind of like a missionary.

The Vikings became the first team since the 1978 Washington Redskins to start the season 6-0 and not make the postseason.

WE STAY THE COURSE MEN!

cajunvike
11-09-2004, 01:41 AM
That was last year....I think that Tice has learned from that experience. And it is not like we lost to BAD teams...even the Giants are 5-3 this year. Now if we start losing to teams that we are supposed to beat, then I will be calling for Tice's head along with you, but until then give the guy a chance...he is building us a defense to go along with our offense and to change coaches might stymie the development of our team. If Tice fails to make the playoffs, then maybe we can him, but until then, let's just see where he takes us.

cajunvike
11-09-2004, 02:00 AM
Maybe the Bears would consider taking Wannstedt back...I miss beating up on his teams. Or better yet, maybe the Packers will hire Wanny when they get rid of Sherman...that would be great!

scorptile
11-09-2004, 02:04 AM
the pack wont get rid of him...everyone knows this...just because they make late runs to make the playoffs...

Vikes
11-09-2004, 02:20 AM
"cajunvike" wrote:

That was last year....I think that Tice has learned from that experience. And it is not like we lost to BAD teams...even the Giants are 5-3 this year. Now if we start losing to teams that we are supposed to beat, then I will be calling for Tice's head along with you, but until then give the guy a chance...he is building us a defense to go along with our offense and to change coaches might stymie the development of our team. If Tice fails to make the playoffs, then maybe we can him, but until then, let's just see where he takes us.

CanjunVike:

I would love to have a friend such as you. You are completely loyal to Tice and I respect your position not to budge on that. However I need to ask you how much time do you give him? I mean not everyone can be inexperienced and young on the team.

So lets breakdown the Vikings.

Offensively:I would say Veterans

Defensibly:Inexperienced?

Coaching:Inexperienced?

Ownership:Inexperienced

This is what the Vikings are a majority of inexperienced team members.

I guess my point overall is we need some experienced leadership.

I'm sorry I don't want Mike Tice taking lessons at Viking University: Majoring in How to become a successful NFL coach 101. Let him learn at the college level [Florida] or apply for the coaching job at Miami.

MEN WE STAY THE COURSE!.

cajunvike
11-09-2004, 02:32 AM
"Vikes" wrote:

"cajunvike" wrote:

That was last year....I think that Tice has learned from that experience. And it is not like we lost to BAD teams...even the Giants are 5-3 this year. Now if we start losing to teams that we are supposed to beat, then I will be calling for Tice's head along with you, but until then give the guy a chance...he is building us a defense to go along with our offense and to change coaches might stymie the development of our team. If Tice fails to make the playoffs, then maybe we can him, but until then, let's just see where he takes us.

CanjunVike:

I would love to have a friend such as you. You are completely loyal to Tice and I respect your position not to budge on that. However I need to ask you how much time do you give him? I mean not everyone can be inexperienced and young on the team.

So lets breakdown the Vikings.

Offensively:I would say Veterans

Defensibly:Inexperienced?

Coaching:Inexperienced?

Ownership:Inexperienced

This is what the Vikings are a majority of inexperienced team members.

I guess my point overall is we need some experienced leadership.

I'm sorry I don't want Mike Tice taking lessons at Viking University: Majoring in How to become a successful NFL coach 101. Let him learn at the college level [Florida] or apply for the coaching job at Miami.

MEN WE STAY THE COURSE!.

Like it or not, you (and I) are stuck with Tice until the end of the season (at least), so we need to be constructive in our criticism (not call for his head)...Red (who isn't inexperienced, just stupid and an asshole) will not fire Tice midseason (he's cheap and it just isn't good business in the NFL to do so)...so we might as well stay the course (I seem to have read that somewhere), at least until the end of the season (which hopefully will result in a championship). I personally would take us going deep into the playoffs (vs. us making it to the Super Bowl only to lose, God forbid), and using that to build on next year. Next year is the year that we should be pointing towards more than this year...our offense will be just as good (if not better with Kleinsasser and Rosenthal back) and our defense will almost definitely be better, more cohesive and deeper at all positions. Next year is the year that winning the Super Bowl will be the only thing that is expected from this fan...so if Tice doesn't show enough by the end of the year, then dump him...and bring in someone who can take the reins a team on the verge of winning the Super Bowl in 2006...but you risk disrupting the team chemistry by doing that as well.

snowinapril
11-09-2004, 05:36 PM
"Vikes" wrote:

"cajunvike" wrote:

That was last year....I think that Tice has learned from that experience. And it is not like we lost to BAD teams...even the Giants are 5-3 this year. Now if we start losing to teams that we are supposed to beat, then I will be calling for Tice's head along with you, but until then give the guy a chance...he is building us a defense to go along with our offense and to change coaches might stymie the development of our team. If Tice fails to make the playoffs, then maybe we can him, but until then, let's just see where he takes us.

CanjunVike:

I would love to have a friend such as you. You are completely loyal to Tice and I respect your position not to budge on that. However I need to ask you how much time do you give him? I mean not everyone can be inexperienced and young on the team.

So lets breakdown the Vikings.

Offensively:I would say Veterans

Defensibly:Inexperienced?

Coaching:Inexperienced?

Ownership:Inexperienced

This is what the Vikings are a majority of inexperienced team members.

I guess my point overall is we need some experienced leadership.

I'm sorry I don't want Mike Tice taking lessons at Viking University: Majoring in How to become a successful NFL coach 101. Let him learn at the college level [Florida] or apply for the coaching job at Miami.

MEN WE STAY THE COURSE!.

I like the comments about the inexperience. I think it starts with Red. He may know cars and business but I think that he might be to involved and let the GM come in and kick the ass. This is about motivating 50 some plus players to play well all season as a team.

Point being he doesn't have the experience to be choosing an inexperienced coach. It would be nice to have a little more leadership on the team.

I have said before that I wouldn't mind giving Tice through next year, all or nothing and I would have him put it in the contract extension. All or nothing or I will resign.

snowinapril
11-09-2004, 05:42 PM
I will also like to say that maybe Tice would do better if he took on some more experienced coaches. Surround himself with some talent.

Also, we need some more experience on the D, atleast one free ageant with experience that is not over the hill.

Tice might come out of this OK.

With this team and the schedule we play this year. Anything under 10-6 should be seen as unacceptable. Not 9-7, 10-6 or bust.

Last year as well, there should have been a bar set for measurement as far a acceptable (not fired) and unacceptable (fired).

dan3ski
11-11-2004, 12:04 AM
What Red get rid of Tice? (I wish) Red has the lowest paid head coach in the NFL so why should he fire Tice?

LosAngelis
11-11-2004, 07:12 PM
I hear so many great things about Wansteadt. Sorry to say, this is a game of wins and losses, and he's got a lot more losses than wins. Both Sherman and Tice have him beat there. How could he be an improvement over either?

johnnyb22
11-11-2004, 07:32 PM
Cajun- I am with you , I think Tice should be gone but you wouldn't fire him until the season is over anyway. It would be crazy if you did after all he is still in first place!! If he can turn around the team's horrible play and make the playoffs AND win the first playoff game then, yeah keep him, exercise his option for next year. I wouldn't sign him to a long term deal though. I was a big Tice fan when he got the job but he is terrible with clock management and some of his decisions are very suspect. He has a lot of learning to do as a head coach.

ultravikingfan
11-11-2004, 08:10 PM
Why would Miami, or any team, want him? He is not out of a job yet.

CT Viking Man
11-11-2004, 09:35 PM
With the Vikings schedule for the second half of the season, there are two teams with losing records that they could lose to, Washington and Chicago. Therefore Tice doesn't have much to prove about losing to bad teams. However, if he can come out of the stretch with 5 wins out of 8 he would help make his case for sticking around, especially if one or more of these are without Moss.

I still think it will take a first round playoff win to guarantee to bring Tice back for another year. Even if the Vikes get to the playoffs and get embarrased in the first round, Tice must go!

CT Viking Man
11-11-2004, 09:36 PM
I don't think Miami being a storied franchise will only go for a high profile coach even if he is from the college ranks.