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vikesls
11-08-2004, 11:15 PM
Okay, I'm the first to say the Monday night ABC crew is a bunch of jerks, but they called this right. Tice should have told the defense to lay down and let the Colts score so we could have a chance at getting to overtime. Did any of you think our defense was going to stop the Colts score inside two minutes. No way! What were we thinking?

cajunvike
11-08-2004, 11:16 PM
Can't just lay down..no matter what!

NeoVikesTX
11-08-2004, 11:18 PM
That would be a great moral booster for our defense too!!

C'mon man, we can't just let them score and expect our offense to score a TD in less than 2 minutes with only 1 timeout.

Coaches gotta show confidence in the defense, even if they do suck right now.

dan3ski
11-08-2004, 11:19 PM
I did not agree with the defense the Vikings played on that last drive. The linebackers were to deep and the cb were not even close to the line in fact they were so deep they did not show up on my tv.

PAvikesfan
11-08-2004, 11:23 PM
i think tice coached a great game for once... though the next time i see one of our O line false start i will take a pot shot at him... he used to be a line coach and lewinsky still has at least one false start a game...sometimes three... but maybe that says more about that dumbass lewinsky!

pep2moss
11-08-2004, 11:28 PM
we only had one chance to let them score and we stopped them for about no gain because after the miraculous pitch and then that run, they kneeled it and we couldnt do anything about it, nice job by tice i mean come on we actually came back in a game

so-cal vike
11-08-2004, 11:35 PM
To "let" a team score disrespects everyting that football stands for. As a team you must do everything in your power to prevent a team from scoring regardless of the current score or standings. Just as you must do everything in your power to score at every opportunity, regardless of the current score or standings.

poult
11-08-2004, 11:38 PM
i dont underdstand how you "let" someone score. they do a rushing play and ya just stand there and dont do anything, hell, id just walk to the goaline as slow as i could and at 1 second fall in the endzone.

really, how do you let someone score and be sure you have time left, they can just go and sit down and run out the clock like that cant they?

DoubleDown11
11-08-2004, 11:40 PM
I could not agree more! let them score, try to get to overtime! But, do not fail to call a timeout with 8 seconds remaining in the first half and take a shot at the end zone! But the Genious Tice waits until 2 seconds left to kick a field goal?

Tice is an Idiot! Culpeper throws only 19 times against the worst defense in the NFL? WTF?

jackyl
11-08-2004, 11:42 PM
Hard to let the team just score when they're taking a knee...

Sprewell27
11-08-2004, 11:53 PM
It may sound crazy, but I hate when the team I'm rooting for ties the game late in the 4th, but with plenty of time to give up the winning score afterwards. Games that come to mind include the Rams-Pats SB in 2001, I remember the Rams had a chance to kill more time but Holt(I think) made a good play to make it into the endzone to tie the game but it left a lot of time for the Pats to get the eventual game winning score.

Almost identical with the Panthers in last year's SB. And it happened tonight. We were down 7 with around 3 or less minutes left, and if Smith didn't break the great run we could have taken the clock down so much more, maybe even into the final minute before scoring(assuming we'd get a TD) or could have made Indy use their TO's before scoring to force OT or give them little to no time left.

I guess I just don't have much faith in the team's defense to make a stop, Especially in this case against the Colts of all teams.

vikings_fan66
11-09-2004, 12:05 AM
We did have the colts stopped earlier but manning pulled off that flip pass with his left hand to Edge. Then Edge broke a tackle to get a first down.

And that was on a 3rd down....so close.....I f that would have happened we would have had some time after the field goal to put something together....oh well

Vikes
11-09-2004, 12:10 AM
Well I must say Tice did try and coach his team out of the poor start. You need to look at the overall game. Indy did a good job confusing our D. Also Indy milked the hell out of the clock in the first half. They kept our D on the field a long time. Minnesota was nervous then settled down late in the 2nd qtr. The return was what got our minds back into the game.

I was so happy Tice showed some coaching emotion out there. I still think we got out coached but overall a good job considering the start. Tice is starting to get the kickem in the ass emotion face!! Not that "Ohh what do I do now wheres Moss to guide me face"

Also does Red fly to all the games?

scorptile
11-09-2004, 01:13 AM
actually the 32nd ranked colts D is better then everyone thinks they are...they stopped the vikings offense several times...i think the whole tempo of the game was in teh colts favor to begin with...well with that first play of the game fumble...cause if hte colts had recovered it could've been a bigger victory then it was...but i have to give props though..both teams played very well...and both D's played better then they are ranked..

cajunvike
11-09-2004, 01:19 AM
"PAvikesfan" wrote:

i think tice coached a great game for once... though the next time i see one of our O line false start i will take a pot shot at him... he used to be a line coach and lewinsky still has at least one false start a game...sometimes three... but maybe that says more about that dumbass lewinsky!

Was that Monica Lewinsky in there or what? I guess it was because the Lewinsky that was in the game sucked. :lol:

vikesls
11-09-2004, 07:41 AM
In some cases it might be good to have pride in the D and let them try to hold them. But in this game they just couldn't. Manning and the Colts are too good. Sometimes to get the WIN the D has to take one for the team. Its a good illustration of how much work the D has in front of them.

I also think the refs were slow getting the T.O. the Vikes were trying to call. I saw Tice at about the 8 sec mark trying to get it and the clock kept rolling.

Where was Moss? I didn't see him. Did he make the trip even though he didn't play?

Mossville
11-09-2004, 08:39 AM
"PAvikesfan" wrote:

i think tice coached a great game for once... though the next time i see one of our O line false start i will take a pot shot at him... he used to be a line coach and lewinsky still has at least one false start a game...sometimes three... but maybe that says more about that dumbass lewinsky!

Are you kidding me? His clock management was god awful. Nothing like being close enough to toss a jump ball with 9 seconds on the clock with one timeout and let 6 seconds tick off and call a TO and kick the FG. We could have took one shot at the endzone. Nothing like wasting a timeout TO when it was 4th and 1. Aren't you supposed to have plays ready for that type of situation.

To the peeps that think we should have layed down at the end, thats just stupid. For one thing, all INDY would have done was pick up a first a dive to the ground to keep the clock going and get the last FG...that is obvious by them taking a knee at the end. They had no intentions of a TD, just a FG.

not really this subject, but Nice tackling on 3rd and 5. newman makes a great play and we let edge break a few tackles and get the 1st.

Peyton = MVP of league. Daunte isnt even the MVP of this team, Moss is

Mossville
11-09-2004, 08:41 AM
"vikesls" wrote:



I also think the refs were slow getting the T.O. the Vikes were trying to call. I saw Tice at about the 8 sec mark trying to get it and the clock kept rolling.

Where was Moss? I didn't see him. Did he make the trip even though he didn't play?

Actually Tice was telling Wiggins not to call it untill 2 seconds were left. You were talking about the 1st half TO right? I herd Moss wasnt going to make the trip to get some rest

enlvikeman
11-09-2004, 10:20 AM
Your 100% right Cajun. I'd rather lose then tell my boys to lay down. Ostensibly it may make sense but there's just something about it I don't care for.

cajunvike
11-09-2004, 10:32 AM
"enlvikeman" wrote:

Your 100% right Cajun. I'd rather lose then tell my boys to lay down. Ostensibly it may make sense but there's just something about it I don't care for.

The long term ramifications of doing something like that to the defense's fragile psyche would be devastating...playing defense is all about attitude (look at Ray Lewis), you have to believe that you can stop the other guys at all times and to dilute that by saying to lay down is to say that I (Tice) know that you guys can't stop Peyton, so don't try...bad precedent to set for the team. I am glad that we agree.

snowinapril
11-09-2004, 11:11 AM
The offense before half F'd Up. They had to know that they had to have that time out as soon as he was tackled. We still had time to run one Pass play for a TD.

That should have been conveyed and thought through when the play was called. Coaches should have been telling Pep that in the ear in his helmet when the play before the T.O. was called.

Actually, Pep should have known.

Where I think he was an Idiot, was on the last 2 plus minutes. Before we didn't sack Manning and we couldn't tackle Edge five yards before the first down marker (I said F**K), the coaches should have been discussing letting them score. It was when Johnstone put them in FG range the coaches should have said we have to let them score the TD and atleast have a chance for us to come back and score to tie and get a coin toss or score and the 2pt conversion.

JOHNSTONE put the dagger in our hearts. He gave them the 15 extra yrds and put the Liqueured Up Kicker into makeable FG range. The ball went from the 40 yd line to the 25 yd line. At that point the Colts didn't want to score or really run any offense, they were just trying to run time off of the clock. Johnstone wasn't thinking the whole game. He was jawwing at Manning and trying to indimidate him all game long and if it didn't work early in the game, I don't think it was going to work in the last 3 minutes with a forearm shiver to his head on a QB protected slide.

We should have let them score a TD on the left handed pass for the first down. On that play, if we would have tried a fundementally sound wrap up tackle with on the Edge, it would have been 4th down and about 40-50 yrds for a FG. It may have been further but it was still a chip shot for their kicker?????? Even if we would have stopped the Edge it wasn't likely that the kicker was not going to miss.

snowinapril
11-09-2004, 11:21 AM
"cajunvike" wrote:

"enlvikeman" wrote:

Your 100% right Cajun. I'd rather lose then tell my boys to lay down. Ostensibly it may make sense but there's just something about it I don't care for.

The long term ramifications of doing something like that to the defense's fragile psyche would be devastating...playing defense is all about attitude (look at Ray Lewis), you have to believe that you can stop the other guys at all times and to dilute that by saying to lay down is to say that I (Tice) know that you guys can't stop Peyton, so don't try...bad precedent to set for the team. I am glad that we agree.

At the point we didn't have the time outs to stop the clock. It didn't matter about their psyche. It was a fact that they were to run the clock down and have a clutch kicker win the game with no time on the clock for us to score.

When Johnstone got the 15 yd penalty, we had about 2 plus minutes. Before that penalty we could have still played D but once that happened it was a done deal. Clock stopped at the 2 minute warning. Edge stopped the clock by running out of bounds and we took a time out. They had all the cards.

It wasn't about the Psyche at that point. It was about telling the D that Johnstone was a bonehead, VanderJagt is a hell of a kicker, and we will be lft with not enough time for to score.

snowinapril
11-09-2004, 11:36 AM
"Mossville" wrote:



To the peeps that think we should have layed down at the end, thats just stupid. For one thing, all INDY would have done was pick up a first a dive to the ground to keep the clock going and get the last FG...that is obvious by them taking a knee at the end. They had no intentions of a TD, just a FG.

not really this subject, but Nice tackling on 3rd and 5. newman makes a great play and we let edge break a few tackles and get the 1st.

Peyton = MVP of league. Daunte isnt even the MVP of this team, Moss is

Hey, I agree it was too late once they got to the 25 yd line to let them score. The Indy coaches were smart enough to weigh everything out and say don't score a TD.

Before that, it was a different scenario all together. It was all dependent on the field position for the easy chip and the time on the clock plus our lack of time outs.

We may have been able to play D if we had all of our time outs. And before the 2 min warning and before they got inside the 40. We still had options before these things were all depleted.

If Johnstones penalty never happened, we still would have had the element of surprise. They didn't know if we were going to try to hold them at the 40 to make them kick a FG of 57yds. Or if we would have let them score. If the Indy coaches told them that we might let them score, take a knee inside the 10 yrd line at that point in the game. We better hire some of those coaches they are thinking ahead.

vikesls
11-09-2004, 09:39 PM
The time to 'lay down' was when the Colts got in FG range. I think our defense would have been smart enough to realize that letting them score with time left on the clock to push to overtime was the ANSWER to winning the game.

Screw psyche. Its all about winning, not grunting it out on defensive football ethics. I'd rather explain what's going on to the defense and give them a chance to heal their pysche in OT. I'd rather have another mark in the Win column.

PAvikesfan
11-09-2004, 11:56 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:

"PAvikesfan" wrote:

i think tice coached a great game for once... though the next time i see one of our O line false start i will take a pot shot at him... he used to be a line coach and lewinsky still has at least one false start a game...sometimes three... but maybe that says more about that dumbass lewinsky!

Was that Monica Lewinsky in there or what? I guess it was because the Lewinsky that was in the game sucked. :lol:

haha... i figure people knew who i was talking about... haha

Big C
11-10-2004, 05:49 PM
I think the Vikes did a great job. Sure we lost but it all came down to a missed tackle (by two defenders) on a flip pass from Manning. Actually it wouldn't have come that far if Johnstone didn't pull off that idiot/stupid/effing personal foul. I mean someone has to win and someone has to lose. We got the short end of the stick because we made more mistakes.

How do penalties become a head coaches fault? Dante didn't have any time to do anything with Freeney ass-raping Mckinnie all night. How does it become Tice's fault if both Offensive and Defensive coordinators had lapses?

Oh well everyone is entitled to their opinion...

VKG4LFE
11-10-2004, 05:53 PM
All I know is that McKinnie was Freeney's bitch on Monday night!! Freeney should have had 3 sacks, but he was offsides (which it looked like to me he just got a good jump). Hope he plays better against kabeer baoihawoiehoifsdfjasjwf whatever the hell!

CT Viking Man
11-10-2004, 06:21 PM
I don't think you can sit and let the team score a touchdown in order to get time to go for a score. That would mean they would have to drive all the way down the field with little time left and one time out to score a touchdown. They were close on that third down play.. it would obviosly been a longer field goal (at least a 40 yarder if I am correct) but the heads-up shovel pass by Peyton was what great quarterbacks do..convert smart plays. That was a back-breaker as at the very least the Vikes would get the ball back with time to spare and only needed a field goal to tie.

dart18
11-10-2004, 07:25 PM
. It was a very hard fought game that ended with a great defensive play but some greater offensive innovation with a left handed flip pass which was amazing to see after i accepted the fact tht it was against us. They won and played better, the first hlf mess ups hurt us including Tices lack of TO at the half