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singersp
07-20-2007, 06:54 AM
Taking a last look at fixing the Dome for the Vikings (http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1312672.html)

A Metrodome renovation is being studied, although Vikings officials say the site really isn't big enough by today's NFL standards.

By Paul Levy, Star Tribune

Last update: July 19, 2007 – 8:51 PM

kirbyfan
07-20-2007, 06:49 PM
I wonder why the heck Zigy would spend 45 million on those 4 blocks he just bought if the site isnt big enough to rebuild on????
Something isnt making sense here.

NodakPaul
07-20-2007, 07:51 PM
"kirbyfan" wrote:


I wonder why the heck Zigy would spend 45 million on those 4 blocks he just bought if the site isnt big enough to rebuild on????
Something isnt making sense here.


That isn't what the article said at all.


But the Metrodome, Viking officials say, simply isn't big enough by 21st-century National Football League standards.

The Metrodome is built on less than a 1 million-square-foot surface, but plans for a new stadium on and around the Dome site would cover 1.6 million square feet, said Lester Bagley, Vikings vice president of stadium development and public affairs

That is saying that the Metrodome itself isn't big enough.
The new stadium would have to sit on more than just the metrodome land.

Purple Floyd
07-20-2007, 10:09 PM
By god if we are spending 300 million dollars more than the cowboys we shure as heck should be getting a bigger facility than them.

I say we go all out and build one with 2.5 million SF and take the price up to 1.5 billion just to give the cowboys stadium envy.

NodakPaul
07-20-2007, 10:27 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


By god if we are spending 300 million dollars more than the cowboys we shure as heck should be getting a bigger facility than them.

I say we go all out and build one with 2.5 million SF and take the price up to 1.5 billion just to give the cowboys stadium envy.


???

The Cowboys stadium was estimated at over 1 billion dollars when it was approved last year, and they are already into price overruns.
Our stadium is estimated under 1 billion, even with the 2009 prices figured in.

Purple Floyd
07-20-2007, 10:47 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


By god if we are spending 300 million dollars more than the cowboys we shure as heck should be getting a bigger facility than them.

I say we go all out and build one with 2.5 million SF and take the price up to 1.5 billion just to give the cowboys stadium envy.


???

The Cowboys stadium was estimated at over 1 billion dollars when it was approved last year, and they are already into price overruns.
Our stadium is estimated under 1 billion, even with the 2009 prices figured in.





I got those numbers from here:

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/CowboysStadium.htm


In order to pay for the stadium,
in November 2004, Arlington voters approved a tax increase to help Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones build the $650 million stadium in the North Texas city. Voters approved a measure that would raise the city sales tax by a half-cent, hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. Work at the stadium site, near Ameriquest Field home of the Texas Rangers, began in May 2006 as workers began to excavate the site. On February 6, 2011, the new Cowboys Stadium will host the biggest game in any sport, Super Bowl XLV.

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-Name: Cowboys Stadium
-Location: Arlington, TX
-Tenant: Dallas Cowboys
-Capacity: 80,000
-Surface:
Grass
-Construction Began: 2006
-Opened: Summer 2009
-Cost: $650 Million
-Architect: HKS, Inc.



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jmcdon00
07-20-2007, 10:48 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


By god if we are spending 300 million dollars more than the cowboys we shure as heck should be getting a bigger facility than them.

I say we go all out and build one with 2.5 million SF and take the price up to 1.5 billion just to give the cowboys stadium envy.


???

The Cowboys stadium was estimated at over 1 billion dollars when it was approved last year, and they are already into price overruns.
Our stadium is estimated under 1 billion, even with the 2009 prices figured in.

I don't think there is much of a chance of the vikes getting anything close to what dallas has planned, which is sad because for a little more we could have a structure that would become a national landmark.
Still it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend 1billion on a stadium that will be used for 8 games a year. If the stadium lasts about 25 years(thats how old the dome is) that is $50,000,000.00 per game. :o

tb04512
07-20-2007, 10:57 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


By god if we are spending 300 million dollars more than the cowboys we shure as heck should be getting a bigger facility than them.

I say we go all out and build one with 2.5 million SF and take the price up to 1.5 billion just to give the cowboys stadium envy.


???

The Cowboys stadium was estimated at over 1 billion dollars when it was approved last year, and they are already into price overruns.
Our stadium is estimated under 1 billion, even with the 2009 prices figured in.

I don't think there is much of a chance of the vikes getting anything close to what dallas has planned, which is sad because for a little more we could have a structure that would become a national landmark.
Still it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend 1billion on a stadium that will be used for 8 games a year. If the stadium lasts about 25 years(thats how old the dome is) that is $50,000,000.00 per game. :o


you forgot to factor in the home playoff games
;)

cajunvike
07-20-2007, 11:12 PM
This is exactly why the stadium should be built in Blaine...MORE ROOM for LESS MONEY!!!

singersp
07-20-2007, 11:13 PM
"jmcdon00" wrote:



I don't think there is much of a chance of the vikes getting anything close to what dallas has planned, which is sad because for a little more we could have a structure that would become a national landmark.
Still it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend 1billion on a stadium that will be used for 8 games a year. If the stadium lasts about 25 years(thats how old the dome is) that is $50,000,000.00 per game. :o


They play 10 games at the dome. 2 pre-season & 8 regular season.

BadlandsVikings
07-20-2007, 11:15 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


This is exactly why the stadium should be built in Blaine...MORE ROOM for LESS MONEY!!!


No kidding, they need to take a good look at the Twins new stadium, and not build it in a cracker box.

singersp
07-20-2007, 11:21 PM
"BadlandsViking" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


This is exactly why the stadium should be built in Blaine...MORE ROOM for LESS MONEY!!!


No kidding, they need to take a good look at the Twins new stadium, and not build it in a cracker box.


There's very little room to make it any wider than it is right now without tearing out a street. It's bordered on two sides by nothing more than a sidewalk. Then there's the streets

NodakPaul
07-21-2007, 12:09 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


By god if we are spending 300 million dollars more than the cowboys we shure as heck should be getting a bigger facility than them.

I say we go all out and build one with 2.5 million SF and take the price up to 1.5 billion just to give the cowboys stadium envy.


???

The Cowboys stadium was estimated at over 1 billion dollars when it was approved last year, and they are already into price overruns.
Our stadium is estimated under 1 billion, even with the 2009 prices figured in.





I got those numbers from here:

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/CowboysStadium.htm


In order to pay for the stadium,
in November 2004, Arlington voters approved a tax increase to help Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones build the $650 million stadium in the North Texas city. Voters approved a measure that would raise the city sales tax by a half-cent, hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. Work at the stadium site, near Ameriquest Field home of the Texas Rangers, began in May 2006 as workers began to excavate the site. On February 6, 2011, the new Cowboys Stadium will host the biggest game in any sport, Super Bowl XLV.

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-Name: Cowboys Stadium
-Location: Arlington, TX
-Tenant: Dallas Cowboys
-Capacity: 80,000
-Surface:
Grass
-Construction Began: 2006
-Opened: Summer 2009
-Cost: $650 Million
-Architect: HKS, Inc.



-Cowboys unveil stadium plans
-With stadium-site plans, Irving isn't kicking itself
-Cowboys give virtual stadium tour
-Owners, renters in path of stadium get letters



Those are very old numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys_New_Stadium
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=76D4EF83-0139-732F-270038BD0731028D

Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium's current construction cost is in excess of $1 billion, which will make it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. [2]. To aid Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by one-half of a percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington will provide $325 million in funding, and Jones will cover any cost overruns. Also, the NFL will provide the Cowboys with an additional $150 million, as per their policy for giving teams a certain lump sum of money for stadium finance. [3]

RK.
07-21-2007, 01:22 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"jmcdon00" wrote:



I don't think there is much of a chance of the vikes getting anything close to what dallas has planned, which is sad because for a little more we could have a structure that would become a national landmark.
Still it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend 1billion on a stadium that will be used for 8 games a year. If the stadium lasts about 25 years(thats how old the dome is) that is $50,000,000.00 per game. :o


They play 10 games at the dome. 2 pre-season & 8 regular season.

This is why we have to have a roof on it.
It has to be used for more than just football.
Without a roof it won't be cost effective.

NDVikingFan66
07-21-2007, 01:43 AM
It has to be useable for many things, though there are many venues in the Cities for concerts and such.

The more events there, the better it will be......

Purple Floyd
07-21-2007, 12:31 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


By god if we are spending 300 million dollars more than the cowboys we shure as heck should be getting a bigger facility than them.

I say we go all out and build one with 2.5 million SF and take the price up to 1.5 billion just to give the cowboys stadium envy.


???

The Cowboys stadium was estimated at over 1 billion dollars when it was approved last year, and they are already into price overruns.
Our stadium is estimated under 1 billion, even with the 2009 prices figured in.





I got those numbers from here:

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/CowboysStadium.htm


In order to pay for the stadium,
in November 2004, Arlington voters approved a tax increase to help Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones build the $650 million stadium in the North Texas city. Voters approved a measure that would raise the city sales tax by a half-cent, hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. Work at the stadium site, near Ameriquest Field home of the Texas Rangers, began in May 2006 as workers began to excavate the site. On February 6, 2011, the new Cowboys Stadium will host the biggest game in any sport, Super Bowl XLV.

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-Name: Cowboys Stadium
-Location: Arlington, TX
-Tenant: Dallas Cowboys
-Capacity: 80,000
-Surface:
Grass
-Construction Began: 2006
-Opened: Summer 2009
-Cost: $650 Million
-Architect: HKS, Inc.



-Cowboys unveil stadium plans
-With stadium-site plans, Irving isn't kicking itself
-Cowboys give virtual stadium tour
-Owners, renters in path of stadium get letters



Those are very old numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys_New_Stadium
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=76D4EF83-0139-732F-270038BD0731028D

Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium's current construction cost is in excess of $1 billion, which will make it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. [2]. To aid Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by one-half of a percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington will provide $325 million in funding, and Jones will cover any cost overruns. Also, the NFL will provide the Cowboys with an additional $150 million, as per their policy for giving teams a certain lump sum of money for stadium finance. [3]



That could be true, but they had this on the same site:

However, in November 2006 the Vikings and Anoka County parted ways and the team has officially announced their preference for a new stadium in downtown Minneapolis. The Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission has now hired an urban planner to conduct a revitalization study of the east side of downtown Minneapolis. In April 2007, the Vikings proposed that a new retractable roof stadium be constructed on the site of their current home, the Metrodome. Furthermore the team has began buying land surrounding the Metrodome. The proposed downtown stadium would feature a retractable roof and removable glass windows to the west that would allow for views of the downtown skyline. The main seating tiers would be on both sides of the field allowing fans views that cannot be found at the Metrodome. At a cost of nearly $1 billion the stadium would seat nearly 70,000 fans and open in 2012. The construction of this facility is all contingent on funding from the Minnesota State Legislature. Both the Vikings and the Minnesota Sports Commission hope to get the State Legislature to approve the project during the 2008 session in order to keep construction costs from rising.

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-Name: Vikings Stadium
-Location: Minneapolis, MN
-Tenant: Minnesota Vikings
-Capacity: 68,000
-Surface:
Unknown
-Construction Begins: Unknown
-Opens: 2011/2012
-Cost: $954 million
-Architect: Roma Design Group -New Vikings Stadium Could Cost $1 Billion
-Lack of stadium progress frustrates Vikings' Wilf
-Vikings: Wilf checks on possible stadium sites
-Finstad aiming for perfect stadium pitch



And this info for the Colts:

The Colts will move from the RCA Dome to Lucas Oil Stadium after the 2007 season. Located in downtown Indianapolis, the stadium will feature a retractable roof that will allow the Colts to play outside for the first time since the team moved to Indianapolis from Baltimore. From the outside, the stadium will have a facade of brick and glass allowing it to fit in with the surrounding area. Lucas Oil Stadium will have seating for 63,000 that will be expandable to seat 70,000 for large events. The Fieldturf playing field will be 25ft below street level, allowing fans easier access to their seats. Many modern amenities will be found in the stadium from the high definition replay/scoreboards to the 140 to 150 luxury suites.
Other than being the home of the Colts, the stadium will host the NCAA Basketball March Madness Tournaments and will be the permanent back up host for the Final Four Tournament. Prior to the announcement of the new stadium, there had been talk of possibly the Colts moving to Los Angeles, but now they will remain in Indianapolis for years to come. Official groundbreaking ceremonies for the stadium were held on September 20, 2005. After the Colts move into Lucas Oil Stadium, the RCA Dome will be demolished in order for the convention center to be expanded.

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-Name: Lucas Oil Stadium
-Location: Indianapolis, IN
-Tenant: Indianapolis Colts
-Capacity: 63,000
-Surface:
Fieldturf
-Construction Begins: August 2005
-Opening: August 2008
-Cost: $625 Million
-Architect: HKS Sports & Entertainment Group

-The name is Lucas Oil
-Ground Broken for New Colts Stadium
-Stadium rate gamble for doesn't pay off; Colts owner opposes ticket tax
-Governor Signs Bill For Colts Stadium
-Stadium hailed as big catch for area
-Colts stadium next steps
-Stadium wins, 108-36


And for one in E Rutherford,NJ that seats 80,000 they give these numbers:

The new stadium will seat approximately 80,000 fans. Included are 10,000 club seats and around 200 luxury suites. The facility will also restaurants, team stores, and many other amenities. It will be built intergraded with Xanadu, a $1.3 billion retail and entertainment center being built at the Meadowlands. Both the Jets and Giants have committed to New Jersey for the next 99 years. This will be the first time two teams will come together 50/50 in a partnership to build a new stadium. In the coming months both teams will work together on what the stadium should include. Both teams hope a new stadium opens by the 2009 season. Current plans call for Giants Stadium to remain standing. Throughout 2006, there has been little progress on a new stadium for both teams. However the Giants and Jets both are committed to building a new stadium near Giants Stadium.

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-Name: New York Stadium
-Location: East Rutherford, NJ
-Tenant: New York Giants/Jets
-Capacity: 80,000
-Surface:
Unknown
-Construction Begins: Unknown
-Opening: 2009
-Cost: $900 Million
-Architect: 360 Architecture -Jets/Giants Agree to Stadium Deal in NJ
-Practice field might stall stadium plan
-Giants Make Another Offer for Stadium at Meadowlands
-Giants stadium plan may be over before it begins.




But in the end if the Cowboys started at 600 some million and ended up at a billion, then when we are talking about 1 billion and add the same inflationary number we should probably be prepared to accept 1.5 billion as the final actual cost if the increases are compounding annually at the same pace. Right at my first number.