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singersp
05-24-2007, 10:33 PM
Moore says he's up for challenge (http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1205791.html)

By Judd Zulgad, Star Tribune
Last update: May 24, 2007 – 9:55 PM

shockzilla
05-24-2007, 10:37 PM
I look for a great year from Memo this year!

davike
05-24-2007, 11:26 PM
It will be interesting to see what he does this year with Peterson....I doubt we will resign him next year.

ItalianStallion
05-24-2007, 11:54 PM
"davike" wrote:


It will be interesting to see what he does this year with Peterson....I doubt we will resign him next year.


I doubt he would want to stay.
He has produced everytime he played.
If it weren't for minor nagging injuries early on in his career I doubt Chester Taylor or Adrian Peterson would be here.

singersp
05-25-2007, 04:53 AM
Well with C-Tay & AD on the roster, competition is going to be stiff.

I believe Memo is more elusive than Taylor, but not a power runner like Taylor is.

I have not seen Peterson play at a pro level yet, so I can't comment on what he will bring to the field in a Vikings uniform. I'll reserve that judgement until after the regular season is under way.

Prophet
05-25-2007, 05:47 AM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


It will be interesting to see what he does this year with Peterson....I doubt we will resign him next year.


I doubt he would want to stay.
He has produced everytime he played.
If it weren't for minor nagging injuries early on in his career I doubt Chester Taylor or Adrian Peterson would be here.


More like, if it wasn't for injuries throughout his career and if he wasn't a pussy and if he was good then the Vikings wouldn't need to be picking up RBs that can get the job done.
Please don't make me dig up his pathetic injury and documented whining streak, it is painful enough just thinking about it.

singersp
05-25-2007, 06:07 AM
"Prophet" wrote:




Please don't make me dig up his pathetic injury and documented whining streak, it is painful enough just thinking about it.



What injury and whining streak?


:D


I know you have that saved as a document somewhere.
;)

V-Unit
05-25-2007, 07:01 AM
Trust me. Moore is not up for the challenge. Fason/Pinner will see more carries than Moore this year.

Marrdro
05-25-2007, 07:07 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


It will be interesting to see what he does this year with Peterson....I doubt we will resign him next year.


I doubt he would want to stay.
He has produced everytime he played.
If it weren't for minor nagging injuries early on in his career I doubt Chester Taylor or Adrian Peterson would be here.


More like, if it wasn't for injuries throughout his career and if he wasn't a "meow" and if he was good then the Vikings wouldn't need to be picking up RBs that can get the job done.
Please don't make me dig up his pathetic injury and documented whining streak, it is painful enough just thinking about it.

I got ya on this one Proph


He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207

singersp
05-25-2007, 07:16 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:



He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


That's a 5 yard per carry average.

Rushing

Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2006 Minnesota Vikings 16 0 24 131 5.5 15 0 0 3

How many receiving yards did he have in those same 5 games?

Prophet
05-25-2007, 07:22 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


It will be interesting to see what he does this year with Peterson....I doubt we will resign him next year.


I doubt he would want to stay.
He has produced everytime he played.
If it weren't for minor nagging injuries early on in his career I doubt Chester Taylor or Adrian Peterson would be here.


More like, if it wasn't for injuries throughout his career and if he wasn't a "meow" and if he was good then the Vikings wouldn't need to be picking up RBs that can get the job done.
Please don't make me dig up his pathetic injury and documented whining streak, it is painful enough just thinking about it.

I got ya on this one Proph


He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


Bullshit, you didn't prove crap.
The premise of this whole discussion is that MeMo could have carried the load.
He cannot.
He is injury ridden and a pussy.
I posted about 50 examples in an earlier thread.

Marrdro
05-25-2007, 07:27 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


That's a 5 yard per carry average.

Rushing

Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2006 Minnesota Vikings 16 0 24 131 5.5 15 0 0 3

How many receiving yards did he have in those same 5 games?


Does it matter?

Is he a WR or a RB?
2006 MIN 16 46 468 10.2 50 1 15 0 0

What does his average look like over his career?

How many games has he missed due to injury?

Most important thing to consider is do we need him on this roster if the coaching staff can't rely on him to be healthy or produce.


Obviously they don't like him for one reason or another.
If that is the case, ship him down the road this year, get something for him and move on.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5644

ItalianStallion
05-25-2007, 07:47 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


It will be interesting to see what he does this year with Peterson....I doubt we will resign him next year.


I doubt he would want to stay.
He has produced everytime he played.
If it weren't for minor nagging injuries early on in his career I doubt Chester Taylor or Adrian Peterson would be here.


More like, if it wasn't for injuries throughout his career and if he wasn't a "meow" and if he was good then the Vikings wouldn't need to be picking up RBs that can get the job done.
Please don't make me dig up his pathetic injury and documented whining streak, it is painful enough just thinking about it.

I got ya on this one Proph


He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


kaka del rio, you didn't prove crap.
The premise of this whole discussion is that MeMo could have carried the load.
He cannot.
He is injury ridden and a "meow".
I posted about 50 examples in an earlier thread.


Using that logic, so was Chester for breaking down at the end of last year, and so was Adrian for being unable to finish his past 2 seasons.
MeMo, has looked better on a per carry basis than Chester has (and has a higher ypc average).
MeMo also breaks more tackles and is more elusive (though he may not push the pile as far as Chester).


I'm simply stating that if MeMo had stayed healthy back when we had Bennett, we we likely wouldn't have Chester or Adrian on the team.
The fact is, he didn't, but he has the ability to be a starter.

If I recall MeMo was the one who broke like 4 tackles to get a first down on a draw on 3rd a 7 to nearly lock the game for us against the bears only to see Chester fumble away the game 2 plays later.

Garland Greene
05-25-2007, 07:49 PM
unfortuantly Memo and Fason have somewhat fallen off the radar with the drafting of Peterson. I think they both provide nice depth, but if they have any trade value, see what you can get.

PurplePackerEater
05-25-2007, 09:14 PM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"ItalianStallion" wrote:




It will be interesting to see what he does this year with Peterson....I doubt we will resign him next year.


I doubt he would want to stay.
He has produced everytime he played.
If it weren't for minor nagging injuries early on in his career I doubt Chester Taylor or Adrian Peterson would be here.


More like, if it wasn't for injuries throughout his career and if he wasn't a "meow" and if he was good then the Vikings wouldn't need to be picking up RBs that can get the job done.
Please don't make me dig up his pathetic injury and documented whining streak, it is painful enough just thinking about it.

I got ya on this one Proph


He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


kaka del rio, you didn't prove crap.
The premise of this whole discussion is that MeMo could have carried the load.
He cannot.
He is injury ridden and a "meow".
I posted about 50 examples in an earlier thread.


Using that logic, so was Chester for breaking down at the end of last year, and so was Adrian for being unable to finish his past 2 seasons.
MeMo, has looked better on a per carry basis than Chester has (and has a higher ypc average).
MeMo also breaks more tackles and is more elusive (though he may not push the pile as far as Chester).


I'm simply stating that if MeMo had stayed healthy back when we had Bennett, we we likely wouldn't have Chester or Adrian on the team.
The fact is, he didn't, but he has the ability to be a starter.

If I recall MeMo was the one who broke like 4 tackles to get a first down on a draw on 3rd a 7 to nearly lock the game for us against the bears only to see Chester fumble away the game 2 plays later.


...and that's how you burn someone!
:D

singersp
05-25-2007, 10:30 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


That's a 5 yard per carry average.

Rushing

Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2006 Minnesota Vikings 16 0 24 131 5.5 15 0 0 3

How many receiving yards did he have in those same 5 games?


Does it matter?

Is he a WR or a RB?
2006 MIN 16 46 468 10.2 50 1 15 0 0


Yes it matters. You need a RB to be able to catch the ball to give veratility to the types of plays they call, especially if all the receivers are covered & the QB needs to check down to him.

Career Receiving yard avg.

Memo: 9.5 in 3 years (110 for 1,045)
Taylor: 7.0 in 5 years (147 for 1,025)
Peterson: 8.2 in 3 years (24 for 198)


What does his average look like over his career?



Career Rushing yard avg.

Memo: 4.8 in 3 years (244 for 1,172)
Taylor: 4.2 in 5 years (676 for 2,815)
Peterson: 5.4 in 3 years (747 for 4,045)


How many games has he missed due to injury?

Games they were not active for due to injury or being made inactive by coach:

Memo: 6 in 3 years (All in 2004)
Taylor: 3 in 5 years (1 in 2002, 2005 & 2006)
Peterson: 9 in 3 years (2 in 2005 & 7 in 2006)


Most important thing to consider is do we need him on this roster if the coaching staff can't rely on him to be healthy or produce.

Yes, we need him for depth at the RB & for what he brings to the field as the stats show. Memo is also our return man on punt returns.

He has also played more games in the last 3 years missing 6 of 48 (12%), while Peterson didn't finish his last two seasons, missing 2 games in 2005 & 7 last year for 9 of 39 (23%).

If the number of games missed is so important to you, then you shouled also be questioning why we drafted Peterson.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493016

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302136

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161717

Taylor is more of an every down back than Memo is IMO, but Memo does have a lot to offer.

There is no reason we need to unload him at this point & we should be keeping him as our 3rd RB.

Pinner or Fason are two of the RB's I wouldn't mind be let go before Memo. Fason had a good year last year with a 5.5 yard average, but in 2005 he only averaged 1.9.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/410449

PurplePackerEater
05-25-2007, 11:36 PM
Great post Singer!

Overlord
05-25-2007, 11:45 PM
I like watching Memo play.
He's a playmaker.

But he found a way to get in Tice's dog house, and apparently Childress isn't too impressed either.
I agree with the sentiment here that it was probably his injuries and his attitude about those injuries that caused this.
In the NFL you need to play through some injuries, and my memory is that Memo couldn't play through a bad itch.

I expect that without any production (on the ground) last year or this year he has zero trade value, but will go someplace else as a free agent at some point to get a new start.


And if Moore gets a lot of carries this year, then I expect it will be a long season because that will mean that Taylor and AD have injury problems.

davike
05-25-2007, 11:47 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


That's a 5 yard per carry average.

Rushing

Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2006 Minnesota Vikings 16 0 24 131 5.5 15 0 0 3

How many receiving yards did he have in those same 5 games?


Does it matter?

Is he a WR or a RB?
2006 MIN 16 46 468 10.2 50 1 15 0 0


Yes it matters. You need a RB to be able to catch the ball to give veratility to the types of plays they call, especially if all the receivers are covered & the QB needs to check down to him.

Career Receiving yard avg.

Memo: 9.5 in 3 years (110 for 1,045)
Taylor: 7.0 in 5 years (147 for 1,025)
Peterson: 8.2 in 3 years (24 for 198)


What does his average look like over his career?



Career Rushing yard avg.

Memo: 4.8 in 3 years (244 for 1,172)
Taylor: 4.2 in 5 years (676 for 2,815)
Peterson: 5.4 in 3 years (747 for 4,045)


How many games has he missed due to injury?

Games they were not active for due to injury or being made inactive by coach:

Memo: 6 in 3 years (All in 2004)
Taylor: 3 in 5 years (1 in 2002, 2005 & 2006)
Peterson: 9 in 3 years (2 in 2005 & 7 in 2006)


Most important thing to consider is do we need him on this roster if the coaching staff can't rely on him to be healthy or produce.

Yes, we need him for depth at the RB & for what he brings to the field as the stats show. Memo is also our return man on punt returns.

He has also played more games in the last 3 years missing 6 of 48 (12%), while Peterson didn't finish his last two seasons, missing 2 games in 2005 & 7 last year for 9 of 39 (23%).

If the number of games missed is so important to you, then you shouled also be questioning why we drafted Peterson.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493016

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302136

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161717

Taylor is more of an every down back than Memo is IMO, but Memo does have a lot to offer.

There is no reason we need to unload him at this point & we should be keeping him as our 3rd RB.

Pinner or Fason are two of the RB's I wouldn't mind be let go before Memo. Fason had a good year last year with a 5.5 yard average, but in 2005 he only averaged 1.9.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/410449


Can't argue with stats but I think that the reason that Fason only had a 1.9 yard average in 2005 was because he was used mostly at the goaline.

I would much rather see us get rid of either Pinner or Fason before Memo. Memo bring allot of versatility to the table and is great with draws and screen plays. I always thought of him as almost delicate and I think he was used right last year. I don't think he has what it takes to be a full time carrier in Childress's style of offense which requires a RB with more power. Memo has an elusive running style, he would much rather try and pull a move then run over a defender. I think he is a great change up to Peterson and Taylors style.

Unfortunatly I think he won't be happy with his lesser role with Peterson in there so he will probably be let go next year so he can go to a team that will give him more chances.

singersp
05-25-2007, 11:56 PM
"davike" wrote:



Can't argue with stats but I think that the reason that Fason only had a 1.9 yard average in 2005 was because he was used mostly at the goaline.



I recall he was used on more than just the goaline in 2005 with little to show for it, but mostly near the goaline. He put in 4 TD's that year but the one that sticks out the most was when we were on or near the 1 & they gave him the ball 3 or 4 times in a row & he failed to punch it in.

PurplePackerEater
05-26-2007, 12:09 AM
"davike" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


That's a 5 yard per carry average.

Rushing

Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2006 Minnesota Vikings 16 0 24 131 5.5 15 0 0 3

How many receiving yards did he have in those same 5 games?


Does it matter?

Is he a WR or a RB?
2006 MIN 16 46 468 10.2 50 1 15 0 0


Yes it matters. You need a RB to be able to catch the ball to give veratility to the types of plays they call, especially if all the receivers are covered & the QB needs to check down to him.

Career Receiving yard avg.

Memo: 9.5 in 3 years (110 for 1,045)
Taylor: 7.0 in 5 years (147 for 1,025)
Peterson: 8.2 in 3 years (24 for 198)


What does his average look like over his career?



Career Rushing yard avg.

Memo: 4.8 in 3 years (244 for 1,172)
Taylor: 4.2 in 5 years (676 for 2,815)
Peterson: 5.4 in 3 years (747 for 4,045)


How many games has he missed due to injury?

Games they were not active for due to injury or being made inactive by coach:

Memo: 6 in 3 years (All in 2004)
Taylor: 3 in 5 years (1 in 2002, 2005 & 2006)
Peterson: 9 in 3 years (2 in 2005 & 7 in 2006)


Most important thing to consider is do we need him on this roster if the coaching staff can't rely on him to be healthy or produce.

Yes, we need him for depth at the RB & for what he brings to the field as the stats show. Memo is also our return man on punt returns.

He has also played more games in the last 3 years missing 6 of 48 (12%), while Peterson didn't finish his last two seasons, missing 2 games in 2005 & 7 last year for 9 of 39 (23%).

If the number of games missed is so important to you, then you shouled also be questioning why we drafted Peterson.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493016

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302136

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161717

Taylor is more of an every down back than Memo is IMO, but Memo does have a lot to offer.

There is no reason we need to unload him at this point & we should be keeping him as our 3rd RB.

Pinner or Fason are two of the RB's I wouldn't mind be let go before Memo. Fason had a good year last year with a 5.5 yard average, but in 2005 he only averaged 1.9.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/410449


Can't argue with stats but I think that the reason that Fason only had a 1.9 yard average in 2005 was because he was used mostly at the goaline.

I would much rather see us get rid of either Pinner or Fason before Memo. Memo bring allot of versatility to the table and is great with draws and screen plays. I always thought of him as almost delicate and I think he was used right last year. I don't think he has what it takes to be a full time carrier in Childress's style of offense which requires a RB with more power. Memo has an elusive running style, he would much rather try and pull a move then run over a defender. I think he is a great change up to Peterson and Taylors style.

Unfortunatly I think he won't be happy with his lesser role with Peterson in there so he will probably be let go next year so he can go to a team that will give him more chances.


I agree.

Check out this video clip and tell me how many Bears players he eludes to score the TD.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2017651355

Overlord
05-26-2007, 12:26 AM
"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


I agree.

Check out this video clip and tell me how many Bears players he eludes to score the TD.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2017651355


Five.
And the sixth one got him too late.
Good job, Memo.

davike
05-26-2007, 12:35 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"davike" wrote:



Can't argue with stats but I think that the reason that Fason only had a 1.9 yard average in 2005 was because he was used mostly at the goaline.



I recall he was used on more than just the goaline in 2005 with little to show for it, but mostly near the goaline. He put in 4 TD's that year but the one that sticks out the most was when we were on or near the 1 & they gave him the ball 3 or 4 times in a row & he failed to punch it in.






He certainly didnt look real impressive. But its harder to gain yards in the redzone, makes the playing field much shorter
;)

NDVikingFan66
05-26-2007, 12:42 AM
Moore fans, enjoy this season.
It is my guess that he is not with the Vikings next year.
He may not even make it through this year.
We have depth at RB, and I could see us shopping him around to attempt to fill some other need.

Just my thoughts

PurplePackerEater
05-26-2007, 12:43 AM
"Overlord" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


I agree.

Check out this video clip and tell me how many Bears players he eludes to score the TD.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2017651355


Five.
And the sixth one got him too late.
Good job, Memo.


He, pretty much, made half of the Bears Defense look ridiculous. 8)

bigbadragz
05-26-2007, 12:44 AM
"davike" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"davike" wrote:



Can't argue with stats but I think that the reason that Fason only had a 1.9 yard average in 2005 was because he was used mostly at the goaline.



I recall he was used on more than just the goaline in 2005 with little to show for it, but mostly near the goaline. He put in 4 TD's that year but the one that sticks out the most was when we were on or near the 1 & they gave him the ball 3 or 4 times in a row & he failed to punch it in.






He certainly didnt look real impressive. But its harder to gain yards in the redzone, makes the playing field much shorter

;)

fason stinks.
he doesn't play a big enough role on special teams and with the petersen now what role will he play?
unless we let memo go, which doesn't make much sense to me cuz he still provides us with something, i can't see fason making the team.
how many backs do they keep active every week anyway?
even taking into account if they are a return specialist like memo.
and pinner too, he gives us depth, another guy who can catch the ball outta the backfield and a guy who can return kicks.

NDVikingFan66
05-26-2007, 01:26 AM
MM's best chance of sticking with the team down the road will be doing special things on special teams.
Taking a couple of kickoffs or punts to the house would help, and be really cool.......

bigbadragz
05-26-2007, 03:58 AM
"NDVikingFan66" wrote:


MM's best chance of sticking with the team down the road will be doing special things on special teams.
Taking a couple of kickoffs or punts to the house would help, and be really cool.......

well he probably wont last past this year, but hes under contract and though you might be able to get something for him it wont be anything special unless someone is desperate for a running back.
he can still play an important role for this years team even if he doesn't last past this year.
i still believe he will play a role on 3rd downs, unless petersen just takes that role all together and even so he is our only proven return man right now.
and at least we know if something happens to the big 2 he will still be a solid backup.
a faith i have more so than with fason and pinner who are both probably just one week wonders at best.
lets just hope our line is so sick that my fat ass could be busting off 30 yard runs.

cajunvike
05-26-2007, 08:49 AM
I like Memo...but he won't get many carries with CT and AP in the backfield (and they WILL both stay healthy this season).
Therefore, for him to get any real opportunities, he will most likely have to go elsewhere.
I hope that he impresses on punt returns this season though!

nephilimstorm
05-26-2007, 11:18 AM
He'll prolly wind up somewhere else..unless he wants to plat ST here...

cogitans
05-26-2007, 11:21 AM
I think he's in a contract year. So he'll be playing to get payed elsewhere I guess.

nephilimstorm
05-26-2007, 11:24 AM
I just hope where not dumb enough to resign him LOL

cogitans
05-26-2007, 11:27 AM
"Nephilim" wrote:


I just hope where not dumb enough to resign him LOL


I don't think he's that bad. He has had some troubles with injury. Last season I were a little surprised they didn't use him more as a runner around the edge.

But I say let him play his chance this year before we just ditch him.

Marrdro
05-26-2007, 11:28 AM
"Prophet" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"ItalianStallion" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


It will be interesting to see what he does this year with Peterson....I doubt we will resign him next year.


I doubt he would want to stay.
He has produced everytime he played.
If it weren't for minor nagging injuries early on in his career I doubt Chester Taylor or Adrian Peterson would be here.


More like, if it wasn't for injuries throughout his career and if he wasn't a "meow" and if he was good then the Vikings wouldn't need to be picking up RBs that can get the job done.
Please don't make me dig up his pathetic injury and documented whining streak, it is painful enough just thinking about it.

I got ya on this one Proph


He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.

Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


kaka del rio, you didn't prove crap.
The premise of this whole discussion is that MeMo could have carried the load.
He cannot.
He is injury ridden and a "meow".
I posted about 50 examples in an earlier thread.

I guess I should have used the Sarcasim on, Sarcasim off thing here.
My point is that when given the chance he DIDN'T carry the load but rather failed.
Heck the staff didn't even use him for one carry during 2 games.
Shows me that they don't even trust him.

I for one like Memo, however, if he is just sucking up CAP space and not producing other than 3rd down passing then chuck him for a guy that the staff can use for both rushing and pass catching.

Think of it this way.......

If you are the opposing defense and the Vikes are in 3rd and 5.
Here comes Memo in, what do you think the Vikes are gonna do?
My bet is they don't play run.

Again, it gets back to being to predictable on offense.
Memo IMHO makes us to predictable with his lack of productivity at running.

Again, is he a running back or a WR.
My point is we need a RB that can both run and catch the ball that this staff has convidence in.
Memo doesn't fit that bill.......

At least in the eyes of the people who it counts with most and this is the coaching staff.
Face it, for some reason they don't/won't use him.
The number bare that out.
Most of the numbers that Singer uses in his (great) post were before this staff got here.

Marrdro
05-26-2007, 11:41 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



He sure stepped up last year when CT wore down/got hurt.
Way to go Memo, 34 yds in 5 games.


Memo
13 @CHI 3 13
14 @DET 3 11

15 NYJ L
0 0
16 @GNB 0 0

17 STL
1 10


http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=33987.msg576207#msg576207


That's a 5 yard per carry average.

Rushing

Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2006 Minnesota Vikings 16 0 24 131 5.5 15 0 0 3

How many receiving yards did he have in those same 5 games?


Does it matter?

Is he a WR or a RB?
2006 MIN 16 46 468 10.2 50 1 15 0 0


Yes it matters. You need a RB to be able to catch the ball to give veratility to the types of plays they call, especially if all the receivers are covered & the QB needs to check down to him.

Career Receiving yard avg.

Memo: 9.5 in 3 years (110 for 1,045)
Taylor: 7.0 in 5 years (147 for 1,025)
Peterson: 8.2 in 3 years (24 for 198)


What does his average look like over his career?



Career Rushing yard avg.

Memo: 4.8 in 3 years (244 for 1,172)
Taylor: 4.2 in 5 years (676 for 2,815)
Peterson: 5.4 in 3 years (747 for 4,045)


How many games has he missed due to injury?

Games they were not active for due to injury or being made inactive by coach:

Memo: 6 in 3 years (All in 2004)
Taylor: 3 in 5 years (1 in 2002, 2005 & 2006)
Peterson: 9 in 3 years (2 in 2005 & 7 in 2006)


Most important thing to consider is do we need him on this roster if the coaching staff can't rely on him to be healthy or produce.

Yes, we need him for depth at the RB & for what he brings to the field as the stats show. Memo is also our return man on punt returns.

He has also played more games in the last 3 years missing 6 of 48 (12%), while Peterson didn't finish his last two seasons, missing 2 games in 2005 & 7 last year for 9 of 39 (23%).

If the number of games missed is so important to you, then you shouled also be questioning why we drafted Peterson.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493016

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302136

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161717

Taylor is more of an every down back than Memo is IMO, but Memo does have a lot to offer.

There is no reason we need to unload him at this point & we should be keeping him as our 3rd RB.

Pinner or Fason are two of the RB's I wouldn't mind be let go before Memo. Fason had a good year last year with a 5.5 yard average, but in 2005 he only averaged 1.9.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/410449


Great post Singer.
;D

Time will tell, however, depth, IMHO isn't an issue here, the issue is we probably have to much depth.
With that said, who goes?

I think the guy(s) that this staff have the least amount of confidence in will go.
In this case I think it will be Memo, like it or not because:

a.
He has the most value in a trade.

b.
He is on his last year of his contract.
c.
This staff apparently doesn't like him or at least have the desire to use him other than third down passing situations.


Again, time will tell who stays and goes, but someone will.
Depth is not an issue here I don't believe.

singersp
05-26-2007, 11:49 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:



I for one like Memo, however, if he is just sucking up CAP space and not producing other than 3rd down passing then chuck him for a guy that the staff can use for both rushing and pass catching.

Think of it this way.......

If you are the opposing defense and the Vikes are in 3rd and 5.
Here comes Memo in, what do you think the Vikes are gonna do?
My bet is they don't play run.

Again, it gets back to being to predictable on offense.
Memo IMHO makes us to predictable with his lack of productivity at running.

Again, is he a running back or a WR.
My point is we need a RB that can both run and catch the ball that this staff has convidence in.
Memo doesn't fit that bill.......

At least in the eyes of the people who it counts with most and this is the coaching staff.
Face it, for some reason they don't/won't use him.
The number bare that out.
Most of the numbers that Singer uses in his (great) post were before this staff got here.




WTF are you talking about? Memo has a better per yard avg in both carries & receptions as I pointed out. If you want to use your "but thats before the staff got here logic, lets look at the avg.s for just 2006;

2006 Rushing yard avg.

Memo: 5.5 (24 for 131)
Taylor: 4.0 (303 for 1,216)

2006 Receiving yard avg.

Memo: 10.2 in 3 years (46 for 468)
Taylor: 6.9 in 5 years (42 for 288)

I still don't know if Memo can carry the full load as he is not a pound it out type of back, usually relying more on his elusive ability. But then again, it's almost been determined that the RB duties are going to be split between RB's anyways. So is having a full time back neccessary if that is the game plan?

But as the stats show, both over his career & since "the new staff got here" as you state, Memo clearly has a better avg. in both rushing & passing.

I still believe he is quite valuable to this team.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493016
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302136

nephilimstorm
05-26-2007, 12:14 PM
I cant believe where discussing Moore when we have AP and C Talylor unless Fason is the deffinit number 3 back
:-X

singersp
05-26-2007, 01:58 PM
"Nephilim" wrote:


I cant believe where discussing Moore when we have AP and C Talylor unless Fason is the deffinit number 3 back
:-X


:-\ Probably because the article & the thread are about Mewelde.

bigbadragz
05-27-2007, 12:53 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Nephilim" wrote:


I cant believe where discussing Moore when we have AP and C Talylor unless Fason is the deffinit number 3 back
:-X


:-\ Probably because the article 7 the thread are about Mewelde.

memo is flat out productive when he gets chances, his problem with both tice and childress i think
is he doesn't practice well and he always has some nagging injury that i think the coaches think is bs.
but like i said before, fason is useless, nothing special, runs upright, doesn't have alot of juke in him, and he don't even run that strong for a big guy.
if memo gets cut it's gotta be do to work ethic cuz fason or pinner just don't offer as much.

Ranger
05-28-2007, 07:56 AM
Peterson has better speed (by far) and is just as elusive.
He also has significantly more power.

Taylor is more durable and has more power.
Speed?
I believe they're actually quite close.

What would Memo bring to the table that neither of our other backs do?
Everything Memo does, somebody else in the backfield does better, typically with additional advantages as well.

I like Memo, to be honest.
He's kinda like Kevin Faulk was for the Patriots.
However, there are two backs on the table that are clearly more capable.
No need in wasting money on a guy you're not going to get miles out of.

People don't seem to like Fason, but I'd hazard a guess that Fason will provide a more financially reasonable #3 back than Memo will.

singersp
05-28-2007, 08:54 AM
"Ranger" wrote:


Peterson has better speed (by far) and is just as elusive.

He also has significantly more power.

Taylor is more durable and has more power.

Speed?
I believe they're actually quite close.

What would Memo bring to the table that neither of our other backs do?
Everything Memo does, somebody else in the backfield does better, typically with additional advantages as well.

I like Memo, to be honest.

He's kinda like Kevin Faulk was for the Patriots.

However, there are two backs on the table that are clearly more capable.

No need in wasting money on a guy you're not going to get miles out of.

People don't seem to like Fason, but I'd hazard a guess that Fason will provide a more financially reasonable #3 back than Memo will.


There is no doubt that Peterson & Taylor will stay on the team & there is no reason Memo shouldn't be either. He is more elusive & has more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor when given the ball.

As far as durability, I have already stated he might not be a every down back. It is also known that the RB's are going to be sharing time in the backfield, so the "every down back" is not a necessity.

How can you possibly say you're not going to get mileage out of Memo for the money. The stats show he can get the yards when given the ball & his 2005 salary was a modest $310,060. A mere pitance for a guy that gets more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor & also returns punts.

Fason isn't going to give you all that.

Talylor has a $14.1 million 4 year deal with $5.6 million guaranteed. Compare that to Memo's $310,060 per year & I ask you, who's giving more bang for the buck?

http://vikings.scout.com/2/542320.html
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=Moore&player=3465

There is nothing wrong with keeping 3 capable backs on the roster. Especially with Memo's salary. Remember 2004 when we had 4? Bennett, Smith, Memo & Williams. During the year we were down to 1.

Purple Floyd
05-28-2007, 10:12 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


Peterson has better speed (by far) and is just as elusive.
He also has significantly more power.

Taylor is more durable and has more power.
Speed?
I believe they're actually quite close.

What would Memo bring to the table that neither of our other backs do?
Everything Memo does, somebody else in the backfield does better, typically with additional advantages as well.

I like Memo, to be honest.
He's kinda like Kevin Faulk was for the Patriots.
However, there are two backs on the table that are clearly more capable.
No need in wasting money on a guy you're not going to get miles out of.

People don't seem to like Fason, but I'd hazard a guess that Fason will provide a more financially reasonable #3 back than Memo will.


There is no doubt that Peterson & Taylor will stay on the team & there is no reason Memo shouldn't be either. He is more elusive & has more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor when given the ball.

As far as durability, I have already stated he might not be a every down back. It is also known that the RB's are going to be sharing time in the backfield, so the "every down back" is not a necessity.

How can you possibly say you're not going to get mileage out of Memo for the money. The stats show he can get the yards when given the ball & his 2005 salary was a modest $310,060. A mere pitance for a guy that gets more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor & also returns punts.

Fason isn't going to give you all that.

Talylor has a $14.1 million 4 year deal with $5.6 million guaranteed. Compare that to Memo's $310,060 per year & I ask you, who's giving more bang for the buck?

http://vikings.scout.com/2/542320.html
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=Moore&player=3465

There is nothing wrong with keeping 3 capable backs on the roster. Especially with Memo's salary. Remember 2004 when we had 4? Bennett, Smith, Memo & Williams. During the year we were down to 1.





I pretty much agree with that 100%

davike
05-28-2007, 10:52 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


Peterson has better speed (by far) and is just as elusive.

He also has significantly more power.

Taylor is more durable and has more power.

Speed?
I believe they're actually quite close.

What would Memo bring to the table that neither of our other backs do?
Everything Memo does, somebody else in the backfield does better, typically with additional advantages as well.

I like Memo, to be honest.

He's kinda like Kevin Faulk was for the Patriots.

However, there are two backs on the table that are clearly more capable.

No need in wasting money on a guy you're not going to get miles out of.

People don't seem to like Fason, but I'd hazard a guess that Fason will provide a more financially reasonable #3 back than Memo will.


There is no doubt that Peterson & Taylor will stay on the team & there is no reason Memo shouldn't be either. He is more elusive & has more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor when given the ball.
As far as durability, I have already stated he might not be a every down back. It is also known that the RB's are going to be sharing time in the backfield, so the "every down back" is not a necessity.

How can you possibly say you're not going to get mileage out of Memo for the money. The stats show he can get the yards when given the ball & his 2005 salary was a modest $310,060. A mere pitance for a guy that gets more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor & also returns punts.

Fason isn't going to give you all that.

Talylor has a $14.1 million 4 year deal with $5.6 million guaranteed. Compare that to Memo's $310,060 per year & I ask you, who's giving more bang for the buck?

http://vikings.scout.com/2/542320.html
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=Moore&player=3465

There is nothing wrong with keeping 3 capable backs on the roster. Especially with Memo's salary. Remember 2004 when we had 4? Bennett, Smith, Memo & Williams. During the year we were down to 1.





I would like Memo to remain a Vikings also, he bring a completely different running style to our attack, with him on we would have sooo much versatilty at RB. But I think that he may grow unhappy with the number of carries he will probably get with Peterson and Taylor there when he could be a starter or a second back for another team. A 3 back attack would probably not get the guys the carries they want so I would think that within a year or two they have to trade one of these guys.

The thing I must really pick on is the "he gets more YPC then Taylor" thing. Considering the amount of carries they both recieved and the situations Moore was allowed to run in it should be obvious why he had a better YPC average.

Ranger
05-29-2007, 06:25 AM
YPC for backups is deceiving at times.
I believe that Tomlinson had fewer YPC than Michael Turner. . . does that mean he's the lesser back?
I'd rather have Taylor on the field than Memo, as he's reliable and can carry the load.
The change of pace is gonna be Peterson, and Peterson is a far better back than Memo, unless something drastic happens.

V-Unit
05-29-2007, 08:23 AM
I still say Memo is the best trade option if we are lookign for an upgrade elsewhere. The only time Moore is going to see the field is on obvious passing downs, and while he is a capable receiver out of the backfield, Taylor also has some talent receiving. I would use Taylor over Moore every time, simply because when Moore is in its almost aobivous that we are passing.

Moore is not going to compete for a starting job, and he makes for the best trade bait for this team. Is he better than Fason, or Pinner? Maybe, but I know for sure that everytime Moore gets a touch this year, its a missed oppurtunity from Taylor or AP. Taking carries away from those two(who could both easily average 20 carries per game) is a crime.

Marrdro
05-29-2007, 08:42 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


Peterson has better speed (by far) and is just as elusive.

He also has significantly more power.

Taylor is more durable and has more power.

Speed?
I believe they're actually quite close.

What would Memo bring to the table that neither of our other backs do?
Everything Memo does, somebody else in the backfield does better, typically with additional advantages as well.

I like Memo, to be honest.

He's kinda like Kevin Faulk was for the Patriots.

However, there are two backs on the table that are clearly more capable.

No need in wasting money on a guy you're not going to get miles out of.

People don't seem to like Fason, but I'd hazard a guess that Fason will provide a more financially reasonable #3 back than Memo will.


There is no doubt that Peterson & Taylor will stay on the team & there is no reason Memo shouldn't be either. He is more elusive & has more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor when given the ball.

As far as durability, I have already stated he might not be a every down back. It is also known that the RB's are going to be sharing time in the backfield, so the "every down back" is not a necessity.

How can you possibly say you're not going to get mileage out of Memo for the money. The stats show he can get the yards when given the ball & his 2005 salary was a modest $310,060. A mere pitance for a guy that gets more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor & also returns punts.

Fason isn't going to give you all that.

Talylor has a $14.1 million 4 year deal with $5.6 million guaranteed. Compare that to Memo's $310,060 per year & I ask you, who's giving more bang for the buck?

http://vikings.scout.com/2/542320.html
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=Moore&player=3465

There is nothing wrong with keeping 3 capable backs on the roster. Especially with Memo's salary. Remember 2004 when we had 4? Bennett, Smith, Memo & Williams. During the year we were down to 1.




Singer, no one is disputing the fact that he can be productive, the issue is will this staff use him?

I don't believe, for whatever reason, they will.


Throw in the fact that we might use an extra roster spot for a WR this year and maybe an extra OL or DE and the whole "What position do we cut back on" comes into play.


My feelings are that this will be the RB position and they will trade Memo in an effort to free up that spot and get something for him as he is valuable as trade bait.

davike
05-29-2007, 10:49 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


Peterson has better speed (by far) and is just as elusive.

He also has significantly more power.

Taylor is more durable and has more power.

Speed?
I believe they're actually quite close.

What would Memo bring to the table that neither of our other backs do?
Everything Memo does, somebody else in the backfield does better, typically with additional advantages as well.

I like Memo, to be honest.

He's kinda like Kevin Faulk was for the Patriots.

However, there are two backs on the table that are clearly more capable.

No need in wasting money on a guy you're not going to get miles out of.

People don't seem to like Fason, but I'd hazard a guess that Fason will provide a more financially reasonable #3 back than Memo will.


There is no doubt that Peterson & Taylor will stay on the team & there is no reason Memo shouldn't be either. He is more elusive & has more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor when given the ball.

As far as durability, I have already stated he might not be a every down back. It is also known that the RB's are going to be sharing time in the backfield, so the "every down back" is not a necessity.

How can you possibly say you're not going to get mileage out of Memo for the money. The stats show he can get the yards when given the ball & his 2005 salary was a modest $310,060. A mere pitance for a guy that gets more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor & also returns punts.

Fason isn't going to give you all that.

Talylor has a $14.1 million 4 year deal with $5.6 million guaranteed. Compare that to Memo's $310,060 per year & I ask you, who's giving more bang for the buck?

http://vikings.scout.com/2/542320.html
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=Moore&player=3465

There is nothing wrong with keeping 3 capable backs on the roster. Especially with Memo's salary. Remember 2004 when we had 4? Bennett, Smith, Memo & Williams. During the year we were down to 1.




Singer, no one is disputing the fact that he can be productive, the issue is will this staff use him?

I don't believe, for whatever reason, they will.


Throw in the fact that we might use an extra roster spot for a WR this year and maybe an extra OL or DE and the whole "What position do we cut back on" comes into play.


My feelings are that this will be the RB position and they will trade Memo in an effort to free up that spot and get something for him as he is valuable as trade bait.


I think that they can still use him, he has a different running style then all the other backs we have right now. But he is a fairly good back that could start or at least be a second back for other teams and he knows this. Will we be able to get him the ball enough to keep him happy? Can we really spread the ball around enough to keep 2 good vets and a rookie happy?

Unless they did something like move him out to WR but that happening is slim to none.

jmcdon00
05-29-2007, 10:59 AM
"davike" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Ranger" wrote:


Peterson has better speed (by far) and is just as elusive.

He also has significantly more power.

Taylor is more durable and has more power.

Speed?
I believe they're actually quite close.

What would Memo bring to the table that neither of our other backs do?
Everything Memo does, somebody else in the backfield does better, typically with additional advantages as well.

I like Memo, to be honest.

He's kinda like Kevin Faulk was for the Patriots.

However, there are two backs on the table that are clearly more capable.

No need in wasting money on a guy you're not going to get miles out of.

People don't seem to like Fason, but I'd hazard a guess that Fason will provide a more financially reasonable #3 back than Memo will.


There is no doubt that Peterson & Taylor will stay on the team & there is no reason Memo shouldn't be either. He is more elusive & has more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor when given the ball.

As far as durability, I have already stated he might not be a every down back. It is also known that the RB's are going to be sharing time in the backfield, so the "every down back" is not a necessity.

How can you possibly say you're not going to get mileage out of Memo for the money. The stats show he can get the yards when given the ball & his 2005 salary was a modest $310,060. A mere pitance for a guy that gets more yards per carry & per pass than Taylor & also returns punts.

Fason isn't going to give you all that.

Talylor has a $14.1 million 4 year deal with $5.6 million guaranteed. Compare that to Memo's $310,060 per year & I ask you, who's giving more bang for the buck?

http://vikings.scout.com/2/542320.html
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=Moore&player=3465

There is nothing wrong with keeping 3 capable backs on the roster. Especially with Memo's salary. Remember 2004 when we had 4? Bennett, Smith, Memo & Williams. During the year we were down to 1.




Singer, no one is disputing the fact that he can be productive, the issue is will this staff use him?

I don't believe, for whatever reason, they will.


Throw in the fact that we might use an extra roster spot for a WR this year and maybe an extra OL or DE and the whole "What position do we cut back on" comes into play.


My feelings are that this will be the RB position and they will trade Memo in an effort to free up that spot and get something for him as he is valuable as trade bait.


I think that they can still use him, he has a different running style then all the other backs we have right now. But he is a fairly good back that could start or at least be a second back for other teams and he knows this. Will we be able to get him the ball enough to keep him happy? Can we really spread the ball around enough to keep 2 good vets and a rookie happy?

Unless they did something like move him out to WR but that happening is slim to none.

I think the vikes should keep mewelde because he is a good football player. We don't know whether chester and peterson will be healthy all year. Peterson although he seems like a sure thing is still unproven and could take a year or 2 to really learn the offense. Does mewelde still return punts and kicks?
If you could get a 3rd round pick for him it might not be a bad idea to move him but if not a pick we shouldn't worry about the money he costs because we have lots of cap space.

Marrdro
05-29-2007, 11:25 AM
I think the vikes should keep mewelde because he is a good football player. We don't know whether chester and peterson will be healthy all year. Peterson although he seems like a sure thing is still unproven and could take a year or 2 to really learn the offense. Does mewelde still return punts and kicks?
If you could get a 3rd round pick for him it might not be a bad idea to move him but if not a pick we shouldn't worry about the money he costs because we have lots of cap space.

Again, it isn't whether he is good or not IMHO, but rather will this staff ever use him to his full potential.


Again, I think the answer to that is they haven't/won't.

Additionally, the roster will be comprised of 53 men.
I believe a few extra spots will be taken up by WR, DE and OL guys were depth is a concern/issue. RB to me seems to have a glut of talent.

One of them will not be on the roster. Again, I contend that Memo will go because of the percieved lack of confidence this staff has in him and his trade value and NOT how well he runs or catches the ball.

singersp
05-29-2007, 09:21 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:



I think the vikes should keep mewelde because he is a good football player. We don't know whether chester and peterson will be healthy all year. Peterson although he seems like a sure thing is still unproven and could take a year or 2 to really learn the offense. Does mewelde still return punts and kicks?
If you could get a 3rd round pick for him it might not be a bad idea to move him but if not a pick we shouldn't worry about the money he costs because we have lots of cap space.

Again, it isn't whether he is good or not IMHO, but rather will this staff ever use him to his full potential.


Again, I think the answer to that is they haven't/won't.

Additionally, the roster will be comprised of 53 men.
I believe a few extra spots will be taken up by WR, DE and OL guys were depth is a concern/issue. RB to me seems to have a glut of talent.

One of them will not be on the roster. Again, I contend that Memo will go because of the percieved lack of confidence this staff has in him and his trade value and NOT how well he runs or catches the ball.


If they were paying him millions of dollars, I could see it. The fact that his salary is only around $310,000 tells me he is more useful to the Vikings as a very solid backup & punt return man.

Just because he's in there, doesn't necessarily mean pass. If that's the case where the defense is thinking that, then you let him run.

happy camper
05-29-2007, 09:58 PM
Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.

singersp
05-29-2007, 10:03 PM
"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.

davike
05-29-2007, 10:16 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.


I'm down with that.....but will he want more next year?

singersp
05-29-2007, 10:18 PM
"davike" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.


I'm down with that.....but will he want more next year?


You worry about next year, when next year gets here.

davike
05-29-2007, 10:21 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.


I'm down with that.....but will he want more next year?


You worry about next year, when next year gets here.


I am down with that also.....lets just get worry about getting a SB ring for Memos finger THIS year :D

bigbadragz
05-29-2007, 11:02 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.


I'm down with that.....but will he want more next year?


You worry about next year, when next year gets here.

i said this 3 pages ago.
he is not gonna warrant alot of money anyway, only way he does is if a team looks at him like a lamont jordan, or like we looked at chester taylor, a young guy who just needs to get a shot.
but i think most will view him as a 3rd down type back and last i checked larry centers was the only one of those kinda guys that ever got big money.
either way he still has value to us on the field in some capacity so there's really no need to go getting rid of em.

Marrdro
05-30-2007, 06:58 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.

If he gets off the bench I agree.
As I said, time will tell.

V-Unit
05-30-2007, 09:02 AM
I would trade him in a heartbeat for a second string offensive lineman or veteran defensive end. If Chester and AP are used well, trading Memo helps us with depth in other areas. To me it makes sense. I don't see it happening though.

Freya
05-30-2007, 09:15 AM
His biggest challenge, imo, will be to stop whining every time he stubs his toe.

Cowboy up, Mewelde.

Billy Boy
05-30-2007, 09:26 AM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"davike" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.


I'm down with that.....but will he want more next year?


You worry about next year, when next year gets here.

i said this 3 pages ago.
he is not gonna warrant alot of money anyway, only way he does is if a team looks at him like a lamont jordan, or like we looked at chester taylor, a young guy who just needs to get a shot.
but i think most will view him as a 3rd down type back and last i checked larry centers was the only one of those kinda guys that ever got big money.
either way he still has value to us on the field in some capacity so there's really no need to go getting rid of em.



It is possibly that Moores stock has some trade value.
He had a season two years ago very similar to the season that we got Taylor coming off of and the year before that. The biggest difference though is that Taylor was a UFA.

There still is the differance that MeMo is unproven as far as a starting everydown back goes.
In a RB heavy league I dont think that there are teams that would give much for him.

I suppose.... it just depends what we could get for him, he will most definetely be gone next year anyways.

PurplePackerEater
05-30-2007, 11:02 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.

If he gets off the bench I agree.
As I said, time will tell.


That's up to the Defense.

The more they force the opposing Offense to punt, the more Mewelde gets off the bench.

Marrdro
05-30-2007, 11:24 AM
"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.

If he gets off the bench I agree.
As I said, time will tell.


That's up to the Defense.

The more they force the opposing Offense to punt, the more Mewelde gets off the bench.

Yup, it was the defenses fault that he had a high of 3 rushes per game 4 times last year http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6878as opposed to CT who had a low of 10 one game towards the end
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6142.

I don't care how good our defense will be this year and how often they give us the ball back........


Based on last years carries it appears this staff will probably not use Memo no matter how much us fans like him.

And I do like him regardless of what stance I have taken with my posts in this thread.
;D

Billy Boy
05-30-2007, 11:28 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:



Based on last years carries it appears this staff will probably not use Memo no matter how much us fans like him.



I am thinking the same thing, especially since AP should be a good third down back.

PurplePackerEater
05-30-2007, 11:30 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.

If he gets off the bench I agree.
As I said, time will tell.


That's up to the Defense.

The more they force the opposing Offense to punt, the more Mewelde gets off the bench.

Yup, it was the defenses fault that he had a high of 3 rushes per game 4 times last year http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6878as opposed to CT who had a low of 10 one game towards the end
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6142.

I don't care how good our defense will be this year and how often they give us the ball back........


Based on last years carries it appears this staff will probably not use Memo no matter how much us fans like him.

And I do like him regardless of what stance I have taken with my posts in this thread.
;D




Actually, I was reffering to Punt Returns.
:)

Marrdro
05-30-2007, 11:35 AM
"Billy" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Based on last years carries it appears this staff will probably not use Memo no matter how much us fans like him.



I am thinking the same thing, especially since AP should be a good third down back.


For some reason, Memo just isn't as well liked/thought of by this staff (again my opinion based on rushing stats) as we the fans like/think of him.
Singer brings out good points about his recieving capabilities
46 468 10.2 , however, I worry that opposing D's might find us a bit to predictable with him in there.

My whole point on this way back when was that maybe we should trade memo this year while he is still worth something, not because he sucks.

Somehow that got lost someplace.
;D

ultravikingfan
05-30-2007, 11:37 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Billy" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Based on last years carries it appears this staff will probably not use Memo no matter how much us fans like him.



I am thinking the same thing, especially since AP should be a good third down back.


For some reason, Memo just isn't as well liked/thought of by this staff (again my opinion based on rushing stats) as we the fans like/think of him.
Singer brings out good points about his recieving capabilities
46 468 10.2 , however, I worry that opposing D's might find us a bit to predictable with him in there.

My whole point on this way back when was that maybe we should trade memo this year while he is still worth something, not because he sucks.

Somehow that got lost someplace.
;D


That's why we put him in there.
3rd down a defense may key on him and he turns out to be a good decoy.
The guy has skills and I believe is an asset to the team if properly used.

Marrdro
05-30-2007, 11:58 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Billy" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Based on last years carries it appears this staff will probably not use Memo no matter how much us fans like him.



I am thinking the same thing, especially since AP should be a good third down back.


For some reason, Memo just isn't as well liked/thought of by this staff (again my opinion based on rushing stats) as we the fans like/think of him.
Singer brings out good points about his recieving capabilities
46 468 10.2 , however, I worry that opposing D's might find us a bit to predictable with him in there.

My whole point on this way back when was that maybe we should trade memo this year while he is still worth something, not because he sucks.

Somehow that got lost someplace.
;D


That's why we put him in there.
3rd down a defense may key on him and he turns out to be a good decoy.
The guy has skills and I believe is an asset to the team if properly used.


I think if we broke down the times he was in there during 3rd down attempts you will see that he wasn't a decoy but rather the receptor of the short dumpt down pass which in most cases resulted in one of those short dump down passes that didn't result in a 1rst down that the fans are beeeyatching so much about.


Again, my contention is that he was keyed on and not a decoy.

With that said, the argument will come out that our WR sucked and couldn't catch the ball.
Can't disagree with that statement.
Glad thier almost all gone and new guys are here but that brings me back to another question, is he a WR or a RB.

Compare him with some of the other 3rd down backs.
The rushing attempts and recieving attempts just don't match if the staff is using him the way they do in 3rd and mid/long situations.

Maroney 22/175
Adai 40/226
Bush 88/155
Moore 24/46

It all comes down to numbers/attempts and I believe this staff doesn't use him because they don't like him.
Again, my opinion based on numbers from last year and how other backs are used in those types of situations.

ultravikingfan
05-30-2007, 12:09 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Billy" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Based on last years carries it appears this staff will probably not use Memo no matter how much us fans like him.



I am thinking the same thing, especially since AP should be a good third down back.


For some reason, Memo just isn't as well liked/thought of by this staff (again my opinion based on rushing stats) as we the fans like/think of him.
Singer brings out good points about his recieving capabilities
46 468 10.2 , however, I worry that opposing D's might find us a bit to predictable with him in there.

My whole point on this way back when was that maybe we should trade memo this year while he is still worth something, not because he sucks.

Somehow that got lost someplace.
;D


That's why we put him in there.
3rd down a defense may key on him and he turns out to be a good decoy.
The guy has skills and I believe is an asset to the team if properly used.


I think if we broke down the times he was in there during 3rd down attempts you will see that he wasn't a decoy but rather the receptor of the short dumpt down pass which in most cases resulted in one of those short dump down passes that didn't result in a 1rst down that the fans are beeeyatching so much about.


Again, my contention is that he was keyed on and not a decoy.

With that said, the argument will come out that our WR sucked and couldn't catch the ball.
Can't disagree with that statement.
Glad thier almost all gone and new guys are here but that brings me back to another question, is he a WR or a RB.

Compare him with some of the other 3rd down backs.
The rushing attempts and recieving attempts just don't match if the staff is using him the way they do in 3rd and mid/long situations.

Maroney 22/175
Adai 40/226
Bush 88/155
Moore 24/46

It all comes down to numbers/attempts and I believe this staff doesn't use him because they don't like him.
Again, my opinion based on numbers from last year and how other backs are used in those types of situations.


We can use him as a decoy.

And those backs you just named...how do you figure they are 3rd down backs?

And, how do you come to the belief this team does not like him?

Numbers, numbers, numbers.
Football is played on the field, not in a stat book.

V-Unit
05-30-2007, 12:58 PM
To be a good decoy you have to be good at something. You have to make the defense respect you as a threat. MeMo doesn't do that.

Marrdro
05-30-2007, 01:02 PM
We can use him as a decoy.

And those backs you just named...how do you figure they are 3rd down backs?

And, how do you come to the belief this team does not like him?

Numbers, numbers, numbers.
Football is played on the field, not in a stat book

I hear ya on the whole decoy thing, however, shouldn't everybody on the field be a threat and not a decoy?

As for the backs named I grabbed three that are not so much 3rd down backs but backs that are in a system that runs a 2 back set which I believe this staff wants to run/will run now that AD is on the roster.

As for my opinion on the dislike of him, I have stated repeatedly my belief is based on the number of attempts.

And those numbers my friend come from attempts on the field which demonstrates the willingness of this staff to use Memo.

Billy Boy
05-30-2007, 03:03 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:




As for my opinion on the dislike of him, I have stated repeatedly my belief is based on the number of attempts.

And those numbers my friend come from attempts on the field which demonstrates the willingness of this staff to use Memo.


I don't think they dislike him but it is hard to look past the numbers.
I always thought Chilly had big ups for MeMo cause he likened him to Westbrook.
Even in this article Moore says hes a hard working and not trying to cause problems, Chilli Bean's type of guy.


So maybe his limited role may have had somethign to do with the injury.

But then again...even a couple months ago before the draft Childress said he "was looking for someone to split carries with Taylor".
Makes it sound like MeMo wasn't a big part of the plan, depending on how you take that statement.

baumy300
05-30-2007, 03:04 PM
Moore needs more playing time. I know with AP and Chester it will hard, but he really needs to touch the ball more. Maybe even slot at some point? Who knows...

Zeus
05-30-2007, 03:13 PM
"baumy300" wrote:


Moore needs more playing time. I know with AP and Chester it will hard, but he really needs to touch the ball more. Maybe even slot at some point? Who knows...


The Vikings should run the wishbone.

=Z=

ultravikingfan
05-30-2007, 03:33 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:



We can use him as a decoy.

And those backs you just named...how do you figure they are 3rd down backs?

And, how do you come to the belief this team does not like him?

Numbers, numbers, numbers.
Football is played on the field, not in a stat book

I hear ya on the whole decoy thing, however, shouldn't everybody on the field be a threat and not a decoy?

As for the backs named I grabbed three that are not so much 3rd down backs but backs that are in a system that runs a 2 back set which I believe this staff wants to run/will run now that AD is on the roster.

As for my opinion on the dislike of him, I have stated repeatedly my belief is based on the number of attempts.

And those numbers my friend come from attempts on the field which demonstrates the willingness of this staff to use Memo.


Your right, they are not 3rd down backs at all.
So, you really cannot compare those players to Memo as you did.

I think you look at numbers way too much.
Leroy Hoard did not have many attempts for us from a numbers perspective.
But he punched it in all the time.

singersp
05-30-2007, 04:18 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:



I think if we broke down the times he was in there during 3rd down attempts you will see that he wasn't a decoy but rather the receptor of the short dumpt down pass which in most cases resulted in one of those short dump down passes that didn't result in a 1rst down that the fans are beeeyatching so much about.


Again, my contention is that he was keyed on and not a decoy.



With an average gain of 10.2 yards per catch & a longest of 50, I tend to disagree with that. Throw out the one 50 yarder & he's still averaging 9.3 yards on ever catch.

I find it hard to believe that only a few of those went for first downs with that type of average, unless they were 3rd & 15+ to go for a first.

bigbadragz
05-30-2007, 10:13 PM
"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:




Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.

If he gets off the bench I agree.
As I said, time will tell.


That's up to the Defense.

The more they force the opposing Offense to punt, the more Mewelde gets off the bench.

Yup, it was the defenses fault that he had a high of 3 rushes per game 4 times last year http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6878as opposed to CT who had a low of 10 one game towards the end
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6142.

I don't care how good our defense will be this year and how often they give us the ball back........


Based on last years carries it appears this staff will probably not use Memo no matter how much us fans like him.

And I do like him regardless of what stance I have taken with my posts in this thread.
;D




Actually, I was reffering to Punt Returns.
:)

i knew what you were talking about.
none of our offense was on the field last year outside of the 3 plays we ran before we punted.

Prophet
05-31-2007, 06:39 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"happy" wrote:


Why are we talking about trading Mewelde?

I really don't think we could even get much for him at all. In my eyes, this is an irrelevant argument.

Sure, we could get a 5th or 6th round pick. Maybe pick up a second or third string player. But the value of him as our #3 RB and punt returner is much better than a very late round pick or a #2 or #3 at any position we would trade him for.


Finally, someone else sees the light. Again at $310,000 Memo gives us a lot of bang for the buck.


I didn't realize he was making minimum wage.
In that case I agree that he would be good to have on the roster.
Like others have said, his relative street value is not much right now.
Put him into the right system and get something for him in the future.
That would be a deep RB corps.

Marrdro
05-31-2007, 07:35 AM
Your right, they are not 3rd down backs at all.
So, you really cannot compare those players to Memo as you did.

I think you look at numbers way too much.
Leroy Hoard did not have many attempts for us from a numbers perspective.
But he punched it in all the time.


Your right Ultra, I do look at numbers way to much, however, at this point and time its all I have
;D

Let me try to get back to my original point (I think) and articulate it a different way.
Bare with me as I'm gonna ramble a bit.
;D

As with the draft (I had my own 7 round mock/war room ect) I get a little geeky and start looking at roster positions, talent levels, potential FA etc to try to figure out who/what our final roster will look like.
(I know I am a bit sick) I have to do something between fishing and hunting. ;D

Our current roster is comprised of 73 or 74 players depending on what web page you go to which will continue to grow as OTA's, and mini-camps get ready to start. Additionally those players in most cases appear to be very talented or have some pretty good potential.

When I start looking at how many we carried at each position and the current names at those positions (Minus the guys that haven't signed yet) it starts to get hard when making decisions on who stays and who goes.
For some positions that is easy (ie. QB - Henson goes) but for some positions it gets a bit tougher (i.e. RB Fason/Mathis go).


Then you have to throw in the whole issue of positions that we might carry more than we did last year, (i.e. WR/DE/OL/DT) because of concern over depth or talent then the staff will have to start cutting good players at positions (i.e. RB) were we have alot of talent.

Bold Currently Make the Roster

9 WR - Last year (One Short)
Think we will add at least one more.
Cortez Hankton
Randy Hymes
Billy McMullen
Martin Nance

Sidney Rice
Bobby Wade
Chandler Williams
Troy Williamson

3 TE's Last year (Dugan to FB)
Jim Kleinsasser
Richard Owens
Visanthe Shiancoe
Stephen Spach

7 DE's Last year (Think we might add a Vet FA here depending on who comes free) Who goes or do we carry 8?
Ray Edwards
Erasmus James
Jayme Mitchell
Brian Robison
Darrion Scott
Khreem Smith
Kenechi Udeze

8 LB's Last year
(Do we go with one less or add one of our young guys that shine during mini camp?)
Rufus Alexander
Vinny Ciurciu
Rod Davis
Heath Farwell
Jason Glenn


Chad Greenway
E.J. Henderson

4 RB's Last year (I vote to keep Moore but if they like Fason or one of the Rooks then maybe we trade him if possible)
Ciatrick Fason
Wendell Mathis
Mewelde Moore
Adrian Peterson
Artose Pinner
Chester Taylor

2 FB's Last year
(Again, I have Dugan here but the staff loves Goodspeed and Tahi - Who goes - Both Goodspeed and Tahi or do they keep an extra because T-rich went down?)
Joey Goodspeed
Tony Richardson
Jeff Dugan
Naufahu Tahi

7 OL Last year (Area of concern for me.
I think we gambled and went light at this position last year.
Probably will Grow this to 8 on the roster this year)
Matt Birk
Ryan Cook
Cullen Loeffler
Marcus Johnson
Bryant McKinnie
Anthony Herrera
Artis Hicks
Steve Hutchinson


6 CB's Last year
(Might seem like a glut here but I believe they will stay with 6 because of demand on Cover 2 scheme)
Dovonte Edwards
Charles Gordon
Cedric Griffin
Mike Hawkins
Marcus McCauley
Dimitri Patterson
Ronyell Whitaker
Antoine Winfield
Jerron Wishom


5 S's Last year (Might seem like a glut here but I believe they will stay with 6 because of demand on Cover 2 scheme.
If they stay with 5 then Hunter goes.)
Greg Blue
Mike Doss
Will Hunter
Darren Sharper
Dwight Smith

Tank Williams


3 QB's Last year (Area of concernMaybe Henson or Thigpen go to Practice squad.
Maybe they sign a Vet FA and both go?)
Books Bollinger
Drew Henson
Tarvaris Jackson
Tyler Thigpen

Again, based on what I believe (only) this staff will want to approach the end state/roster makeup a little bit differently than they did laster year with respect to numbers carried at each position sacrificing at positions that are sound.

Based on my perception of this staffs like or dislike of players, how they fit in the KA/WCO, Memo might be one of those guys sacrificed regardless of how much us fans like him.
Again, based on numbers of attempts from last year and our current list of players.

In no way am I saying Memo isn't good or isn't productive.
;D

Purple Floyd
05-31-2007, 07:53 AM
If you would have looked at Chris Carter when he was at the Eagles you could make an argument that he might not have been worth the 100 dollars we paid to take him off the waiver wire.

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0

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16 |

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1371
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16 |

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96
1163
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16 |

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89
1069
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16 |

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90
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16 |

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96
1274
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9 |


But he wasn't used to his potential and when we brought him in to our system he became one of the top WR's in football within a few years.Had he been kept in Philly he may have never reached his full potential. MeMo MAY have the POTENTIAL to be a good,productive back in this league,but only if he is in the right situation to take advantage of his skills. That happens all over the league with a great majority of the players. I like him and hope they find a way to use him, but if he doesn't fit their template, then hopefully they will cut him and let him find a team that fits his needs or vise versa.

Marrdro
05-31-2007, 07:59 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If you would have looked at Chris Carter when he was at the Eagles you could make an argument that he might not have been worth the 100 dollars we paid to take him off the waiver wire.

1987 phi |

9 |


0


0

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0 |


5


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2 |
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16 |


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96

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9 |


But he wasn't used to his potential and when we brought him in to our system he became one of the top WR's in football within a few years.Had he been kept in Philly he may have never reached his full potential. MeMo MAY have the POTENTIAL to be a good,productive back in this league,but only if he is in the right situation to take advantage of his skills. That happens all over the league with a great majority of the players. I like him and hope they find a way to use him, but if he doesn't fit their template, then hopefully they will cut him and let him find a team that fits his needs or vise versa.


Good stuff Uffda.
I could agree with you more.


I also believe he might be in the right situation, just don't understand why this staff doesn't/didn't use him more last year instead of wearing CT down, Especially after he had the rib injury.

Purple Floyd
05-31-2007, 09:48 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If you would have looked at Chris Carter when he was at the Eagles you could make an argument that he might not have been worth the 100 dollars we paid to take him off the waiver wire.

1987 phi |
9 |

0


0

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0 |

5

84
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2 |
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16 |

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96
1274
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9 |


But he wasn't used to his potential and when we brought him in to our system he became one of the top WR's in football within a few years.Had he been kept in Philly he may have never reached his full potential. MeMo MAY have the POTENTIAL to be a good,productive back in this league,but only if he is in the right situation to take advantage of his skills. That happens all over the league with a great majority of the players. I like him and hope they find a way to use him, but if he doesn't fit their template, then hopefully they will cut him and let him find a team that fits his needs or vise versa.


Good stuff Uffda.
I could agree with you more.


I also believe he might be in the right situation, just don't understand why this staff doesn't/didn't use him more last year instead of wearing CT down, Especially after he had the rib injury.


I keep thinking the same thing about Wiggins and Marcus Robinson and that what concerns me with the staff. Hopefully this year will be different.

NordicNed
05-31-2007, 10:02 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If you would have looked at Chris Carter when he was at the Eagles you could make an argument that he might not have been worth the 100 dollars we paid to take him off the waiver wire.

1987 phi |

9 |


0


0

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0 |


5


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9 |


But he wasn't used to his potential and when we brought him in to our system he became one of the top WR's in football within a few years.Had he been kept in Philly he may have never reached his full potential. MeMo MAY have the POTENTIAL to be a good,productive back in this league,but only if he is in the right situation to take advantage of his skills. That happens all over the league with a great majority of the players. I like him and hope they find a way to use him, but if he doesn't fit their template, then hopefully they will cut him and let him find a team that fits his needs or vise versa.


I may be wrong but, I always thought that we got CC for $1.00 from the Eagles....

PurplePackerEater
05-31-2007, 10:10 AM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If you would have looked at Chris Carter when he was at the Eagles you could make an argument that he might not have been worth the 100 dollars we paid to take him off the waiver wire.

1987 phi |

9 |


0


0

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0 |


5


84
16.8

2 |
| 1988 phi |
16 |


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16 |


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11 |
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9 |


But he wasn't used to his potential and when we brought him in to our system he became one of the top WR's in football within a few years.Had he been kept in Philly he may have never reached his full potential. MeMo MAY have the POTENTIAL to be a good,productive back in this league,but only if he is in the right situation to take advantage of his skills. That happens all over the league with a great majority of the players. I like him and hope they find a way to use him, but if he doesn't fit their template, then hopefully they will cut him and let him find a team that fits his needs or vise versa.



I may be wrong but, I always thought that we got CC for $1.00 from the Eagles....


$100 I believe, but what's the difference? It's still a steal! :)

Billy Boy
05-31-2007, 10:17 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:



As with the draft (I had my own 7 round mock/war room ect) I get a little geeky and start looking at roster positions, talent levels, potential FA etc to try to figure out who/what our final roster will look like.


More like obsessive compulsive!
:P

Marrdro
05-31-2007, 10:31 AM
"Billy" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



As with the draft (I had my own 7 round mock/war room ect) I get a little geeky and start looking at roster positions, talent levels, potential FA etc to try to figure out who/what our final roster will look like.


More like obsessive compulsive!
:P

What can I say.


I love the game, wasn't good enough to play anything higher than High School ball and my knees won't let me play with the Flag Football guys in the area.

Now I over analyze everything
;D

Purple Floyd
05-31-2007, 03:32 PM
"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If you would have looked at Chris Carter when he was at the Eagles you could make an argument that he might not have been worth the 100 dollars we paid to take him off the waiver wire.

1987 phi |
9 |

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9 |


But he wasn't used to his potential and when we brought him in to our system he became one of the top WR's in football within a few years.Had he been kept in Philly he may have never reached his full potential. MeMo MAY have the POTENTIAL to be a good,productive back in this league,but only if he is in the right situation to take advantage of his skills. That happens all over the league with a great majority of the players. I like him and hope they find a way to use him, but if he doesn't fit their template, then hopefully they will cut him and let him find a team that fits his needs or vise versa.


I may be wrong but, I always thought that we got CC for $1.00 from the Eagles....


O.K. 1 dollar and a pair of Air Jordans
;D

singersp
05-31-2007, 04:58 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If you would have looked at Chris Carter when he was at the Eagles you could make an argument that he might not have been worth the 100 dollars we paid to take him off the waiver wire.

1987 phi |

9 |


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1274
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9 |


But he wasn't used to his potential and when we brought him in to our system he became one of the top WR's in football within a few years.Had he been kept in Philly he may have never reached his full potential. MeMo MAY have the POTENTIAL to be a good,productive back in this league,but only if he is in the right situation to take advantage of his skills. That happens all over the league with a great majority of the players. I like him and hope they find a way to use him, but if he doesn't fit their template, then hopefully they will cut him and let him find a team that fits his needs or vise versa.


Good stuff Uffda.
I could agree with you more.


I also believe he might be in the right situation, just don't understand why this staff doesn't/didn't use him more last year instead of wearing CT down, Especially after he had the rib injury.


My gut feel on that is that Childress hand picked Taylor as his guy & his workhorse, whereas Memo was already here. IMO his ego might have gotten in the way some last year. I.E. not allowing Johnson to audible as much, using only his plays & not listening to the players, etc.

singersp
05-31-2007, 05:01 PM
"PurplePackerEater" wrote:


"NordicNed" wrote:


"UffDaVikes" wrote:


If you would have looked at Chris Carter when he was at the Eagles you could make an argument that he might not have been worth the 100 dollars we paid to take him off the waiver wire.

1987 phi |

9 |


0


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9 |


But he wasn't used to his potential and when we brought him in to our system he became one of the top WR's in football within a few years.Had he been kept in Philly he may have never reached his full potential. MeMo MAY have the POTENTIAL to be a good,productive back in this league,but only if he is in the right situation to take advantage of his skills. That happens all over the league with a great majority of the players. I like him and hope they find a way to use him, but if he doesn't fit their template, then hopefully they will cut him and let him find a team that fits his needs or vise versa.



I may be wrong but, I always thought that we got CC for $1.00 from the Eagles....


$100 I believe, but what's the difference? It's still a steal! :)



"The Minnesota Vikings claimed the troubled wide receiver off waivers on September 4, 1990 for the modest price of $100."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cris_Carter

bigbadragz
05-31-2007, 10:07 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Billy" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



As with the draft (I had my own 7 round mock/war room ect) I get a little geeky and start looking at roster positions, talent levels, potential FA etc to try to figure out who/what our final roster will look like.


More like obsessive compulsive!
:P

What can I say.



I love the game, wasn't good enough to play anything higher than High School ball and my knees won't let me play with the Flag Football guys in the area.

Now I over analyze everything
;D

wow maddro i thought i was bad, geez.
well one thing you left off aundre allison who i believe makes the team, especially over the likes of hankton and hymes.
he was a steal at round 5 and they are just not gonna let him walk without giving him a legit shot.
as for some of the other positions, rod davis is expendable, we have plenty of good special teams lb's who actually serve as backups as well without having to keep him.
thigpen at qb is probably better served as a practice squad guy.
OL i can see us carrying extra guys cuz that's a position you always need good depth at.
and when you get to the iffy guys you have to figure out how they contribute when it comes to depth and special teams.

DE is a position we might go thin at just cuz you can only get so many on the field week to week.
If they dont serve on special teams you can't be carrying 6 guys active on game day.

the truth is we pretty much know who the fringe guys are that when they get cut we are not gonna be shocked.
i really dont think memo falls in with those guys just cuz of his role on special teams.
now if the preseason starts and we see only rookies returning punts and kickoffs it may mean bye bye to moore, but until then i still think he's an important enough cog for them to keep him around.

Marrdro
06-01-2007, 09:39 AM
"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Billy" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



As with the draft (I had my own 7 round mock/war room ect) I get a little geeky and start looking at roster positions, talent levels, potential FA etc to try to figure out who/what our final roster will look like.


More like obsessive compulsive!
:P

What can I say.



I love the game, wasn't good enough to play anything higher than High School ball and my knees won't let me play with the Flag Football guys in the area.

Now I over analyze everything
;D

wow maddro i thought i was bad, geez.
well one thing you left off aundre allison who i believe makes the team, especially over the likes of hankton and hymes.
he was a steal at round 5 and they are just not gonna let him walk without giving him a legit shot.
as for some of the other positions, rod davis is expendable, we have plenty of good special teams lb's who actually serve as backups as well without having to keep him.
thigpen at qb is probably better served as a practice squad guy.
OL i can see us carrying extra guys cuz that's a position you always need good depth at.
and when you get to the iffy guys you have to figure out how they contribute when it comes to depth and special teams.

DE is a position we might go thin at just cuz you can only get so many on the field week to week.
If they dont serve on special teams you can't be carrying 6 guys active on game day.

the truth is we pretty much know who the fringe guys are that when they get cut we are not gonna be shocked.
i really dont think memo falls in with those guys just cuz of his role on special teams.
now if the preseason starts and we see only rookies returning punts and kickoffs it may mean bye bye to moore, but until then i still think he's an important enough cog for them to keep him around.


I was telling my wife about how Del sits and breaks down game tape after the games.

I didn't know a women could roll her eyes and lift her eyebrows that far
;D

I didn't leave him (allison) off on purpose, just missed him when I cut and pasted from ESPN. Good catch.

bigbadragz
06-01-2007, 04:30 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"bigbadragz" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Billy" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



As with the draft (I had my own 7 round mock/war room ect) I get a little geeky and start looking at roster positions, talent levels, potential FA etc to try to figure out who/what our final roster will look like.


More like obsessive compulsive!
:P

What can I say.



I love the game, wasn't good enough to play anything higher than High School ball and my knees won't let me play with the Flag Football guys in the area.

Now I over analyze everything
;D

wow maddro i thought i was bad, geez.
well one thing you left off aundre allison who i believe makes the team, especially over the likes of hankton and hymes.
he was a steal at round 5 and they are just not gonna let him walk without giving him a legit shot.
as for some of the other positions, rod davis is expendable, we have plenty of good special teams lb's who actually serve as backups as well without having to keep him.
thigpen at qb is probably better served as a practice squad guy.
OL i can see us carrying extra guys cuz that's a position you always need good depth at.
and when you get to the iffy guys you have to figure out how they contribute when it comes to depth and special teams.

DE is a position we might go thin at just cuz you can only get so many on the field week to week.
If they dont serve on special teams you can't be carrying 6 guys active on game day.

the truth is we pretty much know who the fringe guys are that when they get cut we are not gonna be shocked.
i really dont think memo falls in with those guys just cuz of his role on special teams.
now if the preseason starts and we see only rookies returning punts and kickoffs it may mean bye bye to moore, but until then i still think he's an important enough cog for them to keep him around.


I was telling my wife about how Del sits and breaks down game tape after the games.

I didn't know a women could roll her eyes and lift her eyebrows that far
;D

I didn't leave him (allison) off on purpose, just missed him when I cut and pasted from ESPN. Good catch.



ha ha.
yah, i would be weary of even mentioning that to my wife in fear that she would think lower of me than she already does.