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cogitans
03-28-2007, 03:48 AM
Kleinsasser likely to stay with Vikings (http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1083833.html)

By Kevin Seifert, Star Tribune

whackthepack
03-28-2007, 06:58 AM
He won't make the roster if he keeps falling down without anybody tackling him like last season.

COJOMAY
03-28-2007, 07:32 AM
That was an interesting comment by Tomlin who said, "residue of past disciplinary problems had an impact on the Vikings' 2006 season." I wonder if a lot of back-biting and how not helping out one another led to big problems in the field.

Del Rio
03-28-2007, 08:44 AM
Team Chemistry doesn't just happen. From the looks of are cuts and releases this offseason it looks like we did some cancer treatment, if only we could do the same to our fan base.

ejmat
03-28-2007, 08:51 AM
Kleinny is another guy that wants to stay in MN.
He's lost some of his game since his injuries but I think he can still be productive.
He's been totally taken out of the offense as far as receptions.
He normally has good hands and was able to break tackles in his younger days.
Maybe he can get that back.
He's not that old yet.

Marrdro
03-28-2007, 08:51 AM
Kleinsasser, entering his ninth season, will compete with Jeff Dugan and Richard Owens for the Vikings' No. 2 tight end position behind new starter Visanthe Shiancoe. The Vikings kept four tight ends on their roster in 2006.


I've seen it twice (newspaper article) and heard B-chill say it once (NFL Network) that Dugan was gonna be a FB.

What did I miss here?

Also, I believe Kleinsasser could/would get a heck of lot more money playing elsewhere.
Glad to see he is another one that wants to stay.

Again, another indicator for the B-chill haters out there who say that he is loosing the team.

NAYSAYERS.........


By the way, I am in a bad mood again today.
;D
:o
;D

NodakPaul
03-28-2007, 08:59 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:

I've seen it twice (newspaper article) and heard B-chill say it once (NFL Network) that Dugan was gonna be a FB.

Eh, it's Kevin Seifert.
I rarely take his word as gospel.

Marrdro
03-28-2007, 09:01 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:

I've seen it twice (newspaper article) and heard B-chill say it once (NFL Network) that Dugan was gonna be a FB.

Eh, it's Kevin Seifert.
I rarely take his word as gospel.


No, B-chill actually said it during an interview.

whackthepack
03-28-2007, 09:01 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:



Kleinsasser, entering his ninth season, will compete with Jeff Dugan and Richard Owens for the Vikings' No. 2 tight end position behind new starter Visanthe Shiancoe. The Vikings kept four tight ends on their roster in 2006.


I've seen it twice (newspaper article) and heard B-chill say it once (NFL Network) that Dugan was gonna be a FB.

What did I miss here?

Also, I believe Kleinsasser could/would get a heck of lot more money playing elsewhere.
Glad to see he is another one that wants to stay.

Again, another indicator for the B-chill haters out there who say that he is loosing the team.

NAYSAYERS.........


By the way, I am in a bad mood again today.
;D
:o
;D


4 years ago he got a good contract from the Vikes and he isn't worth that amount of money!

His play is average at best, he isn't sure handed and he isn't a weapon, so I don't see how you think he would get more money than the Vikes are paying him.

There seems to be this misnomer that Kleiny is this great tight end and I am sorry but that just isn't true.
He is average at best, overpaid in my opinion and if he doesn't make the team I wouldn't be surprised.

AngloVike
03-28-2007, 09:03 AM
"Del" wrote:


Team Chemistry doesn't just happen. From the looks of are cuts and releases this offseason it looks like we did some cancer treatment, if only we could do the same to our fan base.


Something that is not so easy to develop in these days of FA. Before that a team nucleus was built, along with the chemistry, and so it meant only a few players having to be 'absorbed'. These days teams can end up with large personnel changes which makes it hard to keep the continuity going.

JDogg926
03-28-2007, 09:07 AM
Is this Shiancoe guy really that good?
I had never heard of him before the Vikings signed him and now he's the starter.
I hope he's good, and he may be, I've just never heard of him.
But, he does have a cool name.

Del Rio
03-28-2007, 09:12 AM
I guess he is a very good blocker.

Which is funny because for a self proclaimed WCO we seem to rely on the run an awful lot.

Marrdro
03-28-2007, 09:16 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Kleinsasser, entering his ninth season, will compete with Jeff Dugan and Richard Owens for the Vikings' No. 2 tight end position behind new starter Visanthe Shiancoe. The Vikings kept four tight ends on their roster in 2006.


I've seen it twice (newspaper article) and heard B-chill say it once (NFL Network) that Dugan was gonna be a FB.

What did I miss here?

Also, I believe Kleinsasser could/would get a heck of lot more money playing elsewhere.
Glad to see he is another one that wants to stay.

Again, another indicator for the B-chill haters out there who say that he is loosing the team.

NAYSAYERS.........


By the way, I am in a bad mood again today.
;D
:o
;D


4 years ago he got a good contract from the Vikes and he isn't worth that amount of money!

His play is average at best, he isn't sure handed and he isn't a weapon, so I don't see how you think he would get more money than the Vikes are paying him.

There seems to be this misnomer that Kleiny is this great tight end and I am sorry but that just isn't true.
He is average at best, overpaid in my opinion and if he doesn't make the team I wouldn't be surprised.

You will never see me say anything to contradict that, however,......

A good blocking TE he is.
A threat to stretch the field his is not. Again, teams are willing to pay players that fit thier needs.


With that said, he would get more money elsewhere if he chose to leave.

Del Rio
03-28-2007, 09:18 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



Kleinsasser, entering his ninth season, will compete with Jeff Dugan and Richard Owens for the Vikings' No. 2 tight end position behind new starter Visanthe Shiancoe. The Vikings kept four tight ends on their roster in 2006.


I've seen it twice (newspaper article) and heard B-chill say it once (NFL Network) that Dugan was gonna be a FB.

What did I miss here?

Also, I believe Kleinsasser could/would get a heck of lot more money playing elsewhere.
Glad to see he is another one that wants to stay.

Again, another indicator for the B-chill haters out there who say that he is loosing the team.

NAYSAYERS.........


By the way, I am in a bad mood again today.
;D
:o
;D


4 years ago he got a good contract from the Vikes and he isn't worth that amount of money!

His play is average at best, he isn't sure handed and he isn't a weapon, so I don't see how you think he would get more money than the Vikes are paying him.

There seems to be this misnomer that Kleiny is this great tight end and I am sorry but that just isn't true.
He is average at best, overpaid in my opinion and if he doesn't make the team I wouldn't be surprised.

You will never see me say anything to contradict that, however,......

A good blocking TE he is.
A threat to stretch the field his is not. Again, teams are willing to pay players that fit thier needs.


With that said, he would get more money elsewhere if he chose to leave.


I've always hated the move personally.

He is a weapon and a very solid player, but I feel he does his best work at FB and when they moved him to TE they damaged his ability to do what he does best.

Coaching failed him IMO.

Billy Boy
03-28-2007, 09:24 AM
Very good summary of Cariuci here.
http://www.dailynorseman.com/story/2007/3/3/232824/0418

Unproven with potential is the best way to explain him.
His is known for blocking but that doesn't meen he lacks in other areas.

I hope his capability as a reciever threat lives up to potential.
I hate having one TE for blocking and another for routes.

I like our pickups so far.

tke0933
03-28-2007, 09:26 AM
I also think he did his best work as the FB.
Since his injury
though, he seems to have lost a little more than just playing time.
Still, I would like to see him back.

whackthepack
03-28-2007, 09:50 AM
Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions


47 yards receiving


0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)


5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years



I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.

cajunvike
03-28-2007, 09:54 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions


47 yards receiving


0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)


5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years



I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.


How many blocks did he make though?

If it was based solely on receiving ability, we should've kept Wiggy then!

I do think that the Vikes need to reassess Kleiny's worth to the team as a whole though and make a decision on whether to keep spending that kind of money on him or not.

snowinapril
03-28-2007, 10:10 AM
"tke0933" wrote:


I also think he did his best work as the FB.
Since his injury
though, he seems to have lost a little more than just playing time.
Still, I would like to see him back.


If he was used as a FB, not TE, he would be more valuable in the long run.
They should keep him at a reduced rate and have him follow T-Rich's example.
If he was given the chance, I know he could do a great job, providing he can stay off the IR.


Who's idea was it to move him to TE anyway?
I know he was drafted a TE, but in 2000 and 2001, we moved him to FB.
Why did we move him back to TE?

Stats
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4693/career

Del Rio
03-28-2007, 10:13 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions


47 yards receiving


0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)


5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years



I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.


Which was about the time the genious known as Tice moved him to a TE.

His 4 TD's in one year? Did they come when he was a Fb or a Te?

whackthepack
03-28-2007, 10:42 AM
"Del" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions


47 yards receiving


0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)


5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years



I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.


Which was about the time the genious known as Tice moved him to a TE.

His 4 TD's in one year? Did they come when he was a Fb or a Te?



It doesn't matter because Chilly is not putting him at FB, he is using him at TE so what matters is what he has done at TE and it isn't much.

Purplexing
03-28-2007, 10:47 AM
There are few publicized stats on 'key blocks made', so Kleinsausage seems to be a non-productive TE due to his low catch count.

Parcells wanted him when he was a free agent 4 years ago, and was willing to pay more than the contract he signed with the Vikings to remain in Minnesota.
I'd guess Parcells realized his value as a great blocker, despite being a mediocre receiver.

Del Rio
03-28-2007, 10:50 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions


47 yards receiving


0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)


5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years



I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.


Which was about the time the genious known as Tice moved him to a TE.

His 4 TD's in one year? Did they come when he was a Fb or a Te?



It doesn't matter because Chilly is not putting him at FB, he is using him at TE so what matters is what he has done at TE and it isn't much.


Well it does matter when you basically shit bag a guy for no reason. The Vikings agreed to the deal pay the man he was worth it when he signed it. So what the coach was a moron and moved him.

He doesn't meet your lofty expectations, but apparently going on what 9 years in the NFL and the Vikings we do not see him as useless. So I'll go ahead and stick with them considering all things which you don't which are as usual special teams, practice, and other duties as assigned.

If he is on the team he has a role and he may very well be a weapon. Just because he is not your A. Gates TE or your fantasy football TE that you expect not many TE's have been on our team in the last few years.

Wooptee doo Wiggins led our team in receptions for a year. TE's play little roles in our offense over the last ten years. It doesn't mean he isn't good. It means you aren't paying attention.

happy camper
03-28-2007, 10:51 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving
0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

2006
(16 games)
7
receptions

47 yards receiving

0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)


5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years



I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.


Does it matter how much he makes, really? The Vikings are not strapped for cash to stay under the cap.

ballhog27
03-28-2007, 11:07 AM
I have to admit I always liked Jim Kliensasser. He was an awesome Tightend in college and I was pretty psyched about him coming to the Vikings. I think that it is time now for us to go in a different direction. I really don't see the need for him because we run single back sets and the idea of a full back is pretty much non-existent. I think that if we trade him for a fourth to fifth round pick to a team in need of a decent blocking FB/TE it would be better for the Vikings in the long run. I mean cutting 2.9 million dollars off the cap would be good. I will state this from than on out that the Vikings will not see any positive movement until Brad Childress is run out of town.

whackthepack
03-28-2007, 11:21 AM
"Del" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions


47 yards receiving


0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)


5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years



I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.


Which was about the time the genious known as Tice moved him to a TE.

His 4 TD's in one year? Did they come when he was a Fb or a Te?



It doesn't matter because Chilly is not putting him at FB, he is using him at TE so what matters is what he has done at TE and it isn't much.


Well it does matter when you basically pooh bag a guy for no reason. The Vikings agreed to the deal pay the man he was worth it when he signed it. So what the coach was a silly guy and moved him.

He doesn't meet your lofty expectations, but apparently going on what 9 years in the NFL and the Vikings we do not see him as useless. So I'll go ahead and stick with them considering all things which you don't which are as usual special teams, practice, and other duties as assigned.

If he is on the team he has a role and he may very well be a weapon. Just because he is not your A. Gates TE or your fantasy football TE that you expect not many TE's have been on our team in the last few years.

Wooptee doo Wiggins led our team in receptions for a year. TE's play little roles in our offense over the last ten years. It doesn't mean he isn't good. It means you aren't paying attention.



First off, I do pay attention and I don't think he is a good player at all and I was hoping the Vikes would drop his lousy butt after last year and he definitely isn't worth 3 million a year I wouldn't give him more than the league minimum and why people have a love affair with this guy is beyond me and Wiggy was 10 times the NFL player that Kleinsdropper ever will be.

Marrdro
03-28-2007, 11:22 AM
"ballhog27" wrote:


I have to admit I always liked Jim Kliensasser. He was an awesome Tightend in college and I was pretty psyched about him coming to the Vikings. I think that it is time now for us to go in a different direction. I really don't see the need for him because we run single back sets and the idea of a full back is pretty much non-existent. I think that if we trade him for a fourth to fifth round pick to a team in need of a decent blocking FB/TE it would be better for the Vikings in the long run. I mean cutting 2.9 million dollars off the cap would be good. I will state this from than on out that the Vikings will not see any positive movement until Brad Childress is run out of town.

YUP I was right, this is the third time you posted this same drivel.
Look at the bottom quote in my sig line.


It now applies directly to you.
>:(

I warned everyone earlier I was in meetings all day long and was in a bad mood because of it.
;D

whackthepack
03-28-2007, 11:28 AM
"happy" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions


47 yards receiving


0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)


5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years



I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.


Does it matter how much he makes, really? The Vikings are not strapped for cash to stay under the cap.


It doesn't matter if the Vikes are strapped for cash, paying a league minimum player 3 million a year is over paying and money we can use on resigning other players or free agents or to make Wilf some profit so he keeps the team in Minnesota instead of moving to LA.

ejmat
03-28-2007, 11:31 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ballhog27" wrote:


I have to admit I always liked Jim Kliensasser. He was an awesome Tightend in college and I was pretty psyched about him coming to the Vikings. I think that it is time now for us to go in a different direction. I really don't see the need for him because we run single back sets and the idea of a full back is pretty much non-existent. I think that if we trade him for a fourth to fifth round pick to a team in need of a decent blocking FB/TE it would be better for the Vikings in the long run. I mean cutting 2.9 million dollars off the cap would be good. I will state this from than on out that the Vikings will not see any positive movement until Brad Childress is run out of town.

YUP I was right, this is the third time you posted this same drivel.
Look at the bottom quote in my sig line.


It now applies directly to you.
>:(

I warned everyone earlier I was in meetings all day long and was in a bad mood because of it.
;D



What's Tony Richardson for if the "idea of a full back is pretty much non existant"?
The Vikings run a lot of sets to include a fullback.

Marrdro
03-28-2007, 11:33 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ballhog27" wrote:


I have to admit I always liked Jim Kliensasser. He was an awesome Tightend in college and I was pretty psyched about him coming to the Vikings. I think that it is time now for us to go in a different direction. I really don't see the need for him because we run single back sets and the idea of a full back is pretty much non-existent. I think that if we trade him for a fourth to fifth round pick to a team in need of a decent blocking FB/TE it would be better for the Vikings in the long run. I mean cutting 2.9 million dollars off the cap would be good. I will state this from than on out that the Vikings will not see any positive movement until Brad Childress is run out of town.

YUP I was right, this is the third time you posted this same drivel.
Look at the bottom quote in my sig line.


It now applies directly to you.
>:(

I warned everyone earlier I was in meetings all day long and was in a bad mood because of it.
;D



What's Tony Richardson for if the "idea of a full back is pretty much non existant"?
The Vikings run a lot of sets to include a fullback.



Go getem Ejmat.
Cheering you on from the sidelines.
Lets teach this guy the right way to make a point before we loose him to the dark side.
;D

Del Rio
03-28-2007, 11:35 AM
Fullback is essential. Not only for passing in the flat, but blocking for runs, and the short passing routes allow a FB to release (not get an illegal man down field) and be able to block for a WR.

FB is one of the most crucial roles on the team. For the run and the pass......

ejmat
03-28-2007, 11:37 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"ballhog27" wrote:


I have to admit I always liked Jim Kliensasser. He was an awesome Tightend in college and I was pretty psyched about him coming to the Vikings. I think that it is time now for us to go in a different direction. I really don't see the need for him because we run single back sets and the idea of a full back is pretty much non-existent. I think that if we trade him for a fourth to fifth round pick to a team in need of a decent blocking FB/TE it would be better for the Vikings in the long run. I mean cutting 2.9 million dollars off the cap would be good. I will state this from than on out that the Vikings will not see any positive movement until Brad Childress is run out of town.

YUP I was right, this is the third time you posted this same drivel.
Look at the bottom quote in my sig line.


It now applies directly to you.
>:(

I warned everyone earlier I was in meetings all day long and was in a bad mood because of it.
;D



What's Tony Richardson for if the "idea of a full back is pretty much non existant"?
The Vikings run a lot of sets to include a fullback.



Go getem Ejmat.
Cheering you on from the sidelines.
Lets teach this guy the right way to make a point before we loose him to the dark side.
;D


I'm just curious where he got that stat from?
Must of been 2005 and before.
Maybe he missed last year.

gregair13
03-28-2007, 02:46 PM
i like the use of a fullback, but the nfl is slowly running them out. same with a blocking TE. some team use it, but teams would rather have one that can catch.

Purplexing
03-28-2007, 02:51 PM
"gregair13" wrote:


i like the use of a fullback, but the nfl is slowly running them out. same with a blocking TE. some team use it, but teams would rather have one that can catch.


In the WCO, the RB does the catching out of the backfield, but Richardson is a good example of a 'multi-tasking' FB.

I see:

FB: Richardson, Dugan (converted from TE last year, and signed a contract extension)
TE: Shiancoe, Owens, Kleinsausage, {? draft pick? - with good pass receiving skills }

If Kleinny was cut, they must be able to draft (already have drafted ) a blocking TE.

mountainviking
03-28-2007, 09:07 PM
Hell yeah!!
He only runs people over like a mack truck!

I for one am glad he's staying!!
Players who can lay a block like him don't just fall in your lap every year!

Richardson is key!
The whole offense struggled {even more} after he went down!

I think alot of people are underestimating Shank too!
THe guy has got hands!!