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VIKINGinGEORGIA
03-16-2007, 09:09 AM
I am tired of all the people saying that the leaving the Vikes b/c of offseason woes. >:(

A fan lives by this creed: " The day will come when we will the superbowl, I will rejoice in that moment, not on SB win but, because of all the losses between."


A fan hopes that win his team wins it all, he can honestly say. I been a fan since day one. This gentlemen is what its all about.

tb04512
03-16-2007, 09:18 AM
"VIKINGinGEORGIA" wrote:


I am tired of all the people saying that the leaving the Vikes b/c of offseason woes. >:(

A fan lives by this creed: " The day will come when we will the superbowl, I will rejoice in that moment, not on SB win but, because of all the losses between."



A fan hopes that win his team wins it all, he can honestly say. I been a fan since day one. This gentlemen is what its all about.


Amen son

Prophet
03-16-2007, 09:21 AM
By far the majority would agree with this.
Anyone that has followed the team, or any team, for a length of time doesn't get too involved with man-love for any given player over the team.
Enjoy them while they're here and move on.
A lot of good players have come and gone on any team.
If someone is a fan of a player over the team that is their thing, but for the love of god don't feign being a fan of the team because your butt-buddy is on the team.

NodakPaul
03-16-2007, 09:23 AM
I think relatively few fans actually leave a team in the offseason.
Another poster claimed to have several "die hard" Vikings fans who now cheer for the Pats, but I think that is a bunch of bullshit (to accompany more of the other bullshit in his posts).

The people who have been jumping ship for the past couple of years tend to be 98ers.
People who have one version of the Vikings in their mind, and anything else in unthinkable.

Just be sure not to turn this in to a "true" fan thread. ;)

Marrdro
03-16-2007, 09:46 AM
Seems to be prevalent in this day and age to follow players vice teams.


I for one grew up in a house that was a mix of Green Bay, KC fans.
Most, if not all of my Uncles switched when MN got a team.

Having been born in 1961 I am the first generation fan in our household to have followed the Vikes since thier origin. Hopefully my son will continue that legacy along with his sons and thier sons etc etc etc.


To say that I would quit on my team because they aren't picking up a bunch of "Big Name" free agents is just ludicrous.

I still remember when I found out Denny had jettisoned Joey.
It was a sad day, however, somebody else came along to wear the horned helmet and the purple and gold uniform.


Other things stand out, Bud Grant retiring, Les Steckel Hiring, 9 out of 10 winning seasons with Denny, Anthony Carters catches, Seeing Chuck do the spin, Hearing my Dad and uncles bitch because we signed Chris Carter, watching Chris Carter only catch touchdowns, Randy Mosssssssss drafted, his first touchdown, the day he left etc etc etc.
All highs and lows.


Sure times were tough last year.
Judging by some of your thoughts/comments, times will be tough again this year.
Because of my failing as always being optimistic and looking for the good instead of the bad, I just don't see us really doing any worse, but rather doing alot better next year.

Even if my purple colored optimisim is off base...... guess what, I will still be there.

Cheering for my TEAM and not just a player.

One day I WILL experience the joy of a SB winning season and it will be sweet because of the ride to get there.

JUMP THE SHIP NAYSAYERS.
We don't need you.

JDogg926
03-16-2007, 10:09 AM
It's very stupid to leave the team or jump ship or stop being a Vikings fan.
Am I a lot less optimistic about some of the moves the team has made, sure, but I'll still root for them.
Will I be any less excited, that's really hard to say.
If we come out and lay an egg on opening Sunday, yeah, I'll probably be expecting a 4-12 season, but I'll still be rooting for them, hoping they can do something to make us proud.
Honestly, I do expect us to have a losing season this year, and if that does happen, I expect Childress to be gone at the end of the year.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didnt' do much this year.

Marrdro
03-16-2007, 10:24 AM
"JDogg926" wrote:


It's very stupid to leave the team or jump ship or stop being a Vikings fan.
Am I a lot less optimistic about some of the moves the team has made, sure, but I'll still root for them.
Will I be any less excited, that's really hard to say.
If we come out and lay an egg on opening Sunday, yeah, I'll probably be expecting a 4-12 season, but I'll still be rooting for them, hoping they can do something to make us proud.
Honestly, I do expect us to have a losing season this year, and if that does happen, I expect Childress to be gone at the end of the year.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didnt' do much this year.


JDogg,



I don't think either are a good expectation.
As a matter of opinion, I believe that B-chill has the owners trust and will be given at least the average timeframe within the league (3 to 4 years) to start winnning.
This is of course based on the evidence we have to look at and that is the youth/experience of the players coming in.
Again, all speculation on my part.


Additionally, I posted this in another thread that dealt with our record remembering of course I am a optimist.
;D



Chicago (2)


(Major upheaval going on right now with the troops = split)
Detroit (2)



(This is tough.
They are trying despite Millen = split)
Green Bay (2)
(A team on the upswing even with FAvvvvreee = split)
at Dallas




(Loss)
at New York Giants (Loss)
Philadelphia


(Win)
Washington


(Win, two years in a row. )
at Denver




(Cutler goes through second year jinx = Win)
at Kansas City
(Win)
Oakland




(Win)
San Diego



(Loss)

JDogg926
03-16-2007, 10:41 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"JDogg926" wrote:


It's very stupid to leave the team or jump ship or stop being a Vikings fan.
Am I a lot less optimistic about some of the moves the team has made, sure, but I'll still root for them.
Will I be any less excited, that's really hard to say.
If we come out and lay an egg on opening Sunday, yeah, I'll probably be expecting a 4-12 season, but I'll still be rooting for them, hoping they can do something to make us proud.
Honestly, I do expect us to have a losing season this year, and if that does happen, I expect Childress to be gone at the end of the year.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didnt' do much this year.


JDogg,



I don't think either are a good expectation.
As a matter of opinion, I believe that B-chill has the owners trust and will be given at least the average timeframe within the league (3 to 4 years) to start winnning.
This is of course based on the evidence we have to look at and that is the youth/experience of the players coming in.
Again, all speculation on my part.



Additionally, I posted this in another thread that dealt with our record remembering of course I am a optimist.
;D



Chicago (2)


(Major upheaval going on right now with the troops = split)
Detroit (2)



(This is tough.

They are trying despite Millen = split)
Green Bay (2)

(A team on the upswing even with FAvvvvreee = split)
at Dallas




(Loss)
at New York Giants (Loss)
Philadelphia


(Win)
Washington



(Win, two years in a row. )
at Denver




(Cutler goes through second year jinx = Win)
at Kansas City

(Win)
Oakland





(Win)
San Diego




(Loss)



Of course the majority is speculation on my part also, it just seems like we have too many weaknesses, and haven't done enough to improve in those areas.
Then the QB situation scares me, whether it's TJ or Brooks.
Also as far as predicting which games we'll win or lose now, that's impossible.
What if Cutler is the 2nd coming of Elway, we could lose that game, what if Washington is this year's New Orleans, we'd probably lose that one.

I'd imagine at least 95% of us, banked on a win against San Francisco last year, and look what happened there, and a lot of people also thought we'd sweep Green Bay.

Marrdro
03-16-2007, 10:58 AM
"JDogg926" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"JDogg926" wrote:


It's very stupid to leave the team or jump ship or stop being a Vikings fan.
Am I a lot less optimistic about some of the moves the team has made, sure, but I'll still root for them.
Will I be any less excited, that's really hard to say.
If we come out and lay an egg on opening Sunday, yeah, I'll probably be expecting a 4-12 season, but I'll still be rooting for them, hoping they can do something to make us proud.
Honestly, I do expect us to have a losing season this year, and if that does happen, I expect Childress to be gone at the end of the year.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didnt' do much this year.


JDogg,



I don't think either are a good expectation.
As a matter of opinion, I believe that B-chill has the owners trust and will be given at least the average timeframe within the league (3 to 4 years) to start winnning.
This is of course based on the evidence we have to look at and that is the youth/experience of the players coming in.
Again, all speculation on my part.



Additionally, I posted this in another thread that dealt with our record remembering of course I am a optimist.
;D



Chicago (2)


(Major upheaval going on right now with the troops = split)
Detroit (2)



(This is tough.

They are trying despite Millen = split)
Green Bay (2)

(A team on the upswing even with FAvvvvreee = split)
at Dallas




(Loss)
at New York Giants (Loss)
Philadelphia


(Win)
Washington



(Win, two years in a row. )
at Denver




(Cutler goes through second year jinx = Win)
at Kansas City

(Win)
Oakland





(Win)
San Diego




(Loss)



Of course the majority is speculation on my part also, it just seems like we have too many weaknesses, and haven't done enough to improve in those areas.
Then the QB situation scares me, whether it's TJ or Brooks.
Also as far as predicting which games we'll win or lose now, that's impossible.
What if Cutler is the 2nd coming of Elway, we could lose that game, what if Washington is this year's New Orleans, we'd probably lose that one.

I'd imagine at least 95% of us, banked on a win against San Francisco last year, and look what happened there, and a lot of people also thought we'd sweep Green Bay.






Its all good my man.
I like your stuff.

As for me, I love to speculate, especially this time of year.

;D

I also have concerns over the QB situation.


My take is that it is gonna be a bit painfull to watch whomever it is run the offense.
If that is TJ then I am on board.
If it is Quinn then I am on board.
If it is a FA yet to be signed, I am onboard.
Heck even if it is Brooksie old boy then, yes, I am on board but then I am gonna buy stock in Corona cause I am gonna spend alot on it this year
;D End result will be that someone will be in place to run this offense in 2008.


Big picture man.
Keep that in focus.

Ahhh predictions.


Did you fill out your NCAA bracket?
Do you do a football pool at work?
Do you bet on games?
Heck do you even rag some friends at work about what thier team will do next year or week to week.
All predictions my friend.
It is what makes sports great.
When your team wins against those predictions it makes it even sweeter. I have a bunch of threads rat holed for some of the NAYSAYERS on this site.


I for one am predicting I am gonna wear out Webby's servers searching for those jewels later on this year
;D

mountainviking
03-16-2007, 11:16 AM
Good Riddance naysayers!!
The Purple Pain comes and goes, but more often than not, its later than sooner!!

SKOL VIKES!!

Purplexing
03-16-2007, 11:22 AM
Basing 2007 on 2006 results is incorrect.

2007 will be year two of a three year rebuilding process.
Many problems existing in 2005 and 2006 will be gone in 2007.

Childress eliminated several players in the first year of rebuilding, and added some of his preferred players; e.g. MBennett replaced by CTaylor, and a few Tice OL replaced by Hutch and Hicks.

Many mistakes and penalties resulted in a few drives stalled and 2006 season games lost due to INTs and fumbles; e.g. first Chicago game lost by a fumble lost late in the game.

In offseason number two, Childress dumped a few of the penalty prone, mistake makers, often-injured, and underperformers; e.g. Rosenthal, BJohnson, M. Robinson.

It may take until 2008 for the Vikings to be winning consistently, when the team will have a younger roster, but which has a few years experience.
But I think the changes made to date will result in a winning record in 2007.
The reason is that the major problems have been addressed, or are about to be addressed with the 2007 draft, and the demotion of Williamson, B.Johnson, etc.

Del Rio
03-16-2007, 11:25 AM
"Purplexing" wrote:


Basing 2007 on 2006 results is incorrect.

2007 will be year two of a three year rebuilding process.
Many problems existing in 2005 and 2006 will be gone in 2007.

Childress eliminated several players in the first year of rebuilding, and added some of his preferred players; e.g. MBennett replaced by CTaylor, and a few Tice OL replaced by Hutch and Hicks.

Many mistakes and penalties resulted in a few drives stalled and 2006 season games lost due to INTs and fumbles; e.g. first Chicago game lost by a fumble lost late in the game.

In offseason number two, Childress dumped a few of the penalty prone, mistake makers, often-injured, and underperformers; e.g. Rosenthal, BJohnson, M. Robinson.

It may take until 2008 for the Vikings to be winning consistently, when the team will have a younger roster, but which has a few years experience.
But I think the changes made to date will result in a winning record in 2007.
The reason is that the major problems have been addressed, or are about to be addressed with the 2007 draft, and the demotion of Williamson, B.Johnson, etc.



If he was truely interested in getting rid of mistake prone players I would think there would be a few players gone far before anyone on that list.

Marrdro
03-16-2007, 11:28 AM
"Purplexing" wrote:


Basing 2007 on 2006 results is incorrect.

2007 will be year two of a three year rebuilding process.
Many problems existing in 2005 and 2006 will be gone in 2007.

Childress eliminated several players in the first year of rebuilding, and added some of his preferred players; e.g. MBennett replaced by CTaylor, and a few Tice OL replaced by Hutch and Hicks.

Many mistakes and penalties resulted in a few drives stalled and 2006 season games lost due to INTs and fumbles; e.g. first Chicago game lost by a fumble lost late in the game.

In offseason number two, Childress dumped a few of the penalty prone, mistake makers, often-injured, and underperformers; e.g. Rosenthal, BJohnson, M. Robinson.

It may take until 2008 for the Vikings to be winning consistently, when the team will have a younger roster, but which has a few years experience.
But I think the changes made to date will result in a winning record in 2007.
The reason is that the major problems have been addressed, or are about to be addressed with the 2007 draft, and the demotion of Williamson, B.Johnson, etc.



Ahhhh

A voice of reason amidst the madness...
;D

Big picture focus.
Haven't you been warned lately Purp against this type of logic?
;D

Purplexing
03-16-2007, 11:42 AM
"Del" wrote:


"Purplexing" wrote:


Basing 2007 on 2006 results is incorrect.

2007 will be year two of a three year rebuilding process.
Many problems existing in 2005 and 2006 will be gone in 2007.

Childress eliminated several players in the first year of rebuilding, and added some of his preferred players; e.g. MBennett replaced by CTaylor, and a few Tice OL replaced by Hutch and Hicks.

Many mistakes and penalties resulted in a few drives stalled and 2006 season games lost due to INTs and fumbles; e.g. first Chicago game lost by a fumble lost late in the game.

In offseason number two, Childress dumped a few of the penalty prone, mistake makers, often-injured, and underperformers; e.g. Rosenthal, BJohnson, M. Robinson.

It may take until 2008 for the Vikings to be winning consistently, when the team will have a younger roster, but which has a few years experience.
But I think the changes made to date will result in a winning record in 2007.
The reason is that the major problems have been addressed, or are about to be addressed with the 2007 draft, and the demotion of Williamson, B.Johnson, etc.



If he was truely interested in getting rid of mistake prone players I would think there would be a few players gone far before anyone on that list.


I wholly agree, but NFL salary cap constraints do not allow a massive purge in one year, in one fell swoop.
There is also the issue of contracts lasting 3-4 years on avg, so that all the players needed to rebuild as desired do not become available in a single year.

Patience!

Vikes_King
03-16-2007, 01:59 PM
all i know, is i went to a party wearing a vikings sweatshirt about a month ago

lets just say everyone was getting a little beligerant, and the guy decided to bad talk the vikings and me for wearing the sweatshirt

The kid would have been knocked out if my friends didnt grab me when i tried to jump him rofl

MetalMike-LoudVike
03-20-2007, 08:30 PM
I get more than my far share of "party boat" jokes and the whole works so basically I find the positives to defend
and make sure I find away to make whoever feel stooopid for trying verbally war with me and my forked tongue.
"cuz some people don't know evil and I am Evil"
MMLV

Zeus
03-20-2007, 08:58 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


By far the majority would agree with this.
Anyone that has followed the team, or any team, for a length of time doesn't get too involved with man-love for any given player over the team.
Enjoy them while they're here and move on.
A lot of good players have come and gone on any team.
If someone is a fan of a player over the team that is their thing, but for the love of god don't feign being a fan of the team because your butt-buddy is on the team.


I had a rather heated discussion in the car on the way home on Sunday from VA with my buddy Eric who is NOT going to buy season tickets this year (even at the $450 level, which is where I'm going) because of this reason and that reason.
I told him he wasn't a "real fan" (which he's not - he's only a Vikings fan because he lives here - when he lived in Seattle, he had Seahawks tickets) because he's abandoning the team.

I have suffered through worse than whatever folks think is ailing the Vikings and I will continue to suffer - until they bring the Super Bowl title home to the TC.

=Z=