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singersp
11-01-2006, 09:20 PM
Vikings Fan Who Threw Beer Could Cost Friend Season Tickets (http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2006/11/01/vikings-fan-who-threw-beer-could-cost-friend-season-tickets/)

Posted Nov 1st 2006 3:05PM by Michael David Smith

BadlandsVikings
11-01-2006, 09:25 PM
"singersp" wrote:


Vikings Fan Who Threw Beer Could Cost Friend Season Tickets (http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2006/11/01/vikings-fan-who-threw-beer-could-cost-friend-season-tickets/)

Posted Nov 1st 2006 3:05PM by Michael David Smith



Stop giving trouble makers your tickets.
;D

Metrodump
11-01-2006, 09:29 PM
Dat guy wood no longa be a peep of mine. I be kickin he ass. Friendship be off afta dat stunt he pull

VKG4LFE
11-01-2006, 09:31 PM
Yeah I saw that during the game, what an idiot! He didn't miss much when he left though!

vikes_4_life_42
11-01-2006, 09:43 PM
jeez. CRAZYNESS!
let me give this whole slang thing a shot... i be vary angree nd dat stuped guy wuld be my enimee. i wood not be da lusers friend no longer. i be makin him pey for da seets. he wood ruin mi lyfe.... ok i suck at that. i think ill stick to english.

VKG4LFE
11-01-2006, 09:49 PM
Yeah, no more ebonics for you!! lol

MetalMike-LoudVike
11-01-2006, 09:51 PM
DISGRACFUL but I
fans doing that at the vikes raiders game. I definetaly would whoop on someone.....If those were my seats I would definetly knock out some teeth. pretty ignorant.

singersp
11-01-2006, 10:01 PM
I remember the incident where someone took out a ref during a Vikings game. Back then they were glass bottles.

And it was the last year they were glass bottles for that very reason.

NodakPaul
11-01-2006, 10:22 PM
As a ticket holder myself, I know that I am responsible for the people in my seats, regardless of whether or not I am with them.
If those were my tickets and I lost them as a result, I would be VERY VERY angry... at the idiot who threw the bottle, not the Vikings.

The Vikings organization has a responsibility to players, coaches, and fans.
I hope for the ticket holder's sake that he doesn't lose them, butI would be support the Vikings' decision if he did.

VikesfaninWis
11-01-2006, 10:34 PM
I don't think that they should revoke the guys season tickets.. He wasn't even there, and he is going to get punished? How should he know that his friends brother was going to throw a beer at a player? What should happen, is the guy that threw the beer shouldn't be allowed to any Viking games, and the guy that has the season tickets won't be allowed to give his tickets away to anyone anymore..

BadlandsVikings
11-01-2006, 10:49 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


I don't think that they should revoke the guys season tickets.. He wasn't even there, and he is going to get punished? How should he know that his friends brother was going to throw a beer at a player? What should happen, is the guy that threw the beer shouldn't be allowed to any Viking games, and the guy that has the season tickets won't be allowed to give his tickets away to anyone anymore..


Take them away from him, give them to someone who will appeciate it.

snowinapril
11-01-2006, 10:49 PM
I hope they take the hard line with this and get the point across to the public, but the guy should be brought up on criminal charges instead of making the ticket holder give up his seats.
It could be assault with a beer bottle?

Let the holder keep his tickets in the end.

kramer9guy
11-01-2006, 10:55 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:


Yeah, no more ebonics for you!! lol


Ha ha...no doubt. Is there an Ebonics Rosetta Stone somewhere? I get a headache even trying to translate that stuff on here.

singersp
11-01-2006, 11:05 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


I don't think that they should revoke the guys season tickets.. He wasn't even there, and he is going to get punished? How should he know that his friends brother was going to throw a beer at a player? What should happen, is the guy that threw the beer shouldn't be allowed to any Viking games, and the guy that has the season tickets won't be allowed to give his tickets away to anyone anymore..


Didn't you read Nodak's post. Nodak, like myself are season ticket holders. If you sell or give your tickets away & those people do something to get booted out of the dome, we could lose are season seats. As season ticket holders, we are responsible for anyone sitting in those seats & what they do. It's a risk you take when you sell or give away your seats.

IpartyWithSmoot
11-01-2006, 11:16 PM
God what an idiot.

He could atleast aim for Brady and possibly give us a chance to win
;D

Purple_Hope
11-01-2006, 11:38 PM
Yep, that was a bad move.

AngloVike
11-02-2006, 03:54 AM
I feel sorry for the guy who has the season tickets but as Singer says ultimately they're responsible for the people who use their tickets. The clown throwing the bottle should make some form of compensation if the Vikes revoke the season ticket though it would never make up for the loss of a ticket.

Vikes
11-02-2006, 05:56 AM
"WVV" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


Vikings Fan Who Threw Beer Could Cost Friend Season Tickets (http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2006/11/01/vikings-fan-who-threw-beer-could-cost-friend-season-tickets/)

Posted Nov 1st 2006 3:05PM by Michael David Smith



Stop giving trouble makers your tickets.
;D


I like it do background checks on season ticket holders hehe! ;D

Zeus
11-02-2006, 08:19 AM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


I don't think that they should revoke the guys season tickets.. He wasn't even there, and he is going to get punished? How should he know that his friends brother was going to throw a beer at a player? What should happen, is the guy that threw the beer shouldn't be allowed to any Viking games, and the guy that has the season tickets won't be allowed to give his tickets away to anyone anymore..


And how do you police that?
Does the ticket holder have to come to the "Will-Call" window every game to get his tickets and then be escorted into the game by security, placed in his seat and then watched the whole game?

Absolutely this guy is responsible for the conduct of the fans in his seats.
That is part of the contract which he entered into with the Vikings when he bought the tickets.

I remember that bottle flying out of the stands - it was a couple sections to the right of me (maybe 207 or 206??) and I (and everyone around me) was shocked to see it happen.
That's just not right.
As someone who will defend my right to BOO (although, I didn't do too much of that on Monday - I was too beaten up by the game), I will *NEVER* defend the right to throw things on the field.

=Z=

twiztedfait
11-02-2006, 08:38 AM
I have gotten many tickets to games (twins, wolves, wild and vikes)because I was one of the few people the person would "trust" with their seats.
I would be pissed if I lost my seats because of something like this, but the rules are the rules.


As far not letting the beer tosser into games, the NBA banns people from time to time, I believe the guy in cinci field rusher was banned from NFL games as well.
I wonder how they keep track of that?? Mabye the NFL could set up the same type of system league wide??



Just an idea to a rule that , although unfair at times, you still agree to,and should be enforced.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 08:39 AM
What do you do if you no show and someone slips into your seat and hits someone in the head with a plastic beer bottle? Are you responsible?

This is a bit much IMO.

"The Vikings have a policy that season ticket holders are responsible for the actions of anyone who uses their seats"


Not to mention the guy practically turned himself in. I don't even think they removed him from the game. He called into a radio show and confessed he was the guy that threw the bottle and then he was arrested. That has to count for something.

Zeus
11-02-2006, 08:50 AM
"Del" wrote:


What do you do if you no show and someone slips into your seat and hits someone in the head with a plastic beer bottle? Are you responsible?


Of course not.
Whoever gave that idiot a ticket into the place is responsible for his conduct.

=Z=

Freya
11-02-2006, 08:53 AM
Good point, Del.

I have mixed feelings about this issue. The bottom line, apparently, is that this is an accountability issue.

The thing that annoys me the most is the use of being drunk as an excuse. He apologized but qualified it by saying he had drank too much.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 08:53 AM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


What do you do if you no show and someone slips into your seat and hits someone in the head with a plastic beer bottle? Are you responsible?


Of course not.
Whoever gave that idiot a ticket into the place is responsible for his conduct.

=Z=


"The Vikings have a policy that season ticket holders are responsible for the actions of anyone who uses their seats"

It seems crazy to begin with. Why not take away the rights to serve alcohol at the games? I mean if we wanna play the blame game. The sad thing is....if the Vikings thought for one second they couldn't sell that guys seat this wouldn't even be brought up.

Lets take away the job of the person who sold the tickets to someone careless enough to loan his tickets to someone careless enough to buy alcohol from someone who is careless enough to sell it to someone who is careless enough that when he drinks it is going to throw a plastic bottle onto the field, and without being caught go on air and confess and apologize for being a silly guy.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 08:55 AM
"Freya" wrote:


Good point, Del.

I have mixed feelings about this issue. The bottom line, apparently, is that this is an accountability issue.

The thing that annoys me the most is the use of being drunk as an excuse. He apologized but qualified it by saying he had drank too much.


Well if he was drunk and he knows he would not have done that had he not been drunk then I don't see a problem with him bringing it up. I didn't get the impression he was making an excuse just stating a fact. I imagine, or hope, the guy would take whatever is given to him. Plus it stated had he not been drinking it would have been a minor citation with no jail time at all. So it is important.

Freya
11-02-2006, 09:06 AM
"Del" wrote:


"Freya" wrote:


Good point, Del.

I have mixed feelings about this issue. The bottom line, apparently, is that this is an accountability issue.

The thing that annoys me the most is the use of being drunk as an excuse. He apologized but qualified it by saying he had drank too much.


Well if he was drunk and he knows he would not have done that had he not been drunk then I don't see a problem with him bringing it up. I didn't get the impression he was making an excuse just stating a fact. I imagine, or hope, the guy would take whatever is given to him. Plus it stated had he not been drinking it would have been a minor citation with no jail time at all. So it is important.


I get what you are saying, Del. My point was that by qualifying his apology it effectively loses some of it's value. Perhaps he wouldnt' have done such a thing if he hadn't been drinking so much, but it sounded to me like he was apologising more for his drinking than for what he did while drunk. That was just my impression hearing him on the news last night.

I do give him credit for stepping up and admitting it though. Now he needs to plead a case for his ticket holder friend.

I hope that the season ticket holder doesn't lose his seats but I can see why they have to draw the line somewhere.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 09:13 AM
"Freya" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Freya" wrote:


Good point, Del.

I have mixed feelings about this issue. The bottom line, apparently, is that this is an accountability issue.

The thing that annoys me the most is the use of being drunk as an excuse. He apologized but qualified it by saying he had drank too much.


Well if he was drunk and he knows he would not have done that had he not been drunk then I don't see a problem with him bringing it up. I didn't get the impression he was making an excuse just stating a fact. I imagine, or hope, the guy would take whatever is given to him. Plus it stated had he not been drinking it would have been a minor citation with no jail time at all. So it is important.


I get what you are saying, Del. My point was that by qualifying his apology it effectively loses some of it's value. Perhaps he wouldnt' have done such a thing if he hadn't been drinking so much, but it sounded to me like he was apologising more for his drinking than for what he did while drunk. That was just my impression hearing him on the news last night.

I do give him credit for stepping up and admitting it though. Now he needs to plead a case for his ticket holder friend.

I hope that the season ticket holder doesn't lose his seats but I can see why they have to draw the line somewhere.


He probably shouldn't of even admitted to being drunk. I don't think they could have prooven it by the time they arrested him and then he probably wouldn't even be facing jail time.

IN the end I live in Utah so who does or does not have season tickets doesn't help me any lol ;D Now I have season tickets to the Jazz and I would not loan them to just anyone.

I agree with you though Freya, he probably should have just given a sincere apology and not focused so much on his boozin.

NodakPaul
11-02-2006, 09:23 AM
http://www.vikings.com/seasontixcurrent_detail_objectname_seasontix_policy_procedures.html
"Minnesota Vikings Season Ticket Policies" wrote:

The Vikings reserve the right to cancel a Season Ticket license for reasons including, but not limited to, the following: failure to meet payment deadlines; drunken, disorderly, or improper behavior; scalping or resale of tickets (whether licensed to do so or not).
The Season Ticket subscriber is responsible for the conduct of users of the tickets issued.

Sorry, but the policy is very clearly spelled out.
And every year, the ticket holder gets a handbook with a copy of the policies.
Add to that the fact that there is a public annoucement before every game stating that throwing anything in the dome is prohibited.

I feel for the ticket holder, but I think the Vikings need to take a hard line here.
What if that bottle hit a fan?
If I was at the dome with either of my children (which I often am), and some drunken fan threw a bottle that hit one of them, I would absolutely be demanding that the Vikings revoke those tickets.
As I said before, the Vikings organization has a responsibility to the players, fans, coaches, and officials during a football game.

Zeus
11-02-2006, 09:25 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


I feel for the ticket holder, but I think the Vikings need to take a hard line here.
What if that bottle hit a fan?
If I was at the dome with either of my children (which I often am), and some drunken fan threw a bottle that hit one of them, I would absolutely be demanding that the Vikings revoke those tickets.
As I said before, the Vikings organization has a responsibility to the players, fans, coaches, and officials during a football game.


If some drunk hit my daughter with a bottle, I would be calling for the Vikings to revoke the season tickets from a jail cell, because that's where I would be after kicking his tushy.

=Z=

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 09:45 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


http://www.vikings.com/seasontixcurrent_detail_objectname_seasontix_policy_procedures.html
"Minnesota Vikings Season Ticket Policies" wrote:

The Vikings reserve the right to cancel a Season Ticket license for reasons including, but not limited to, the following: failure to meet payment deadlines; drunken, disorderly, or improper behavior; scalping or resale of tickets (whether licensed to do so or not).
The Season Ticket subscriber is responsible for the conduct of users of the tickets issued.

Sorry, but the policy is very clearly spelled out.
And every year, the ticket holder gets a handbook with a copy of the policies.
Add to that the fact that there is a public annoucement before every game stating that throwing anything in the dome is prohibited.

I feel for the ticket holder, but I think the Vikings need to take a hard line here.
What if that bottle hit a fan?
If I was at the dome with either of my children (which I often am), and some drunken fan threw a bottle that hit one of them, I would absolutely be demanding that the Vikings revoke those tickets.
As I said before, the Vikings organization has a responsibility to the players, fans, coaches, and officials during a football game.


I can't argue the facts of the matter. It is obvious what the rules are. I just question the rule to begin with.

It will be interesting to see if this happens. I doubt it will. Someone close to the story should update it if they hear anything.

happy camper
11-02-2006, 10:39 AM
I'm also a season ticket holder.

I think it's rediculous someones season tickets could be revoked for this.

It doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

Sure, I'm responsible for who I give them to, but damn, alcohol can turn any self respecting dude into a complete ass.

Chad8970
11-02-2006, 10:50 AM
Come on now, don't always blame the beer.
If you're a jerk when you drink, it's not the beer, chances are you're a jerk!


Although in his defense, I've wanted to throw many things after watching the Viking's offense this year.

olson_10
11-02-2006, 10:53 AM
"Chad8970" wrote:


Come on now, don't always blame the beer. If you're a jerk when you drink, it's not the beer, chances are you're a jerk!


Although in his defense, I've wanted to throw many things after watching the Viking's offense this year.

agreed

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 10:58 AM
"Chad8970" wrote:


Come on now, don't always blame the beer.
If you're a jerk when you drink, it's not the beer, chances are you're a jerk!


Although in his defense, I've wanted to throw many things after watching the Viking's offense this year.


I've seen both. I've seen mild tempered people turn into raging donkey butts when they are drunk. I do not see how accountability can't stop at the person who did the activity. Why the need to take it further.

happy camper
11-02-2006, 10:59 AM
disagreed.

ive seen plenty of good people turn into demons while using alcohol.

this a fact, and nobody will be able to tell me otherwise.

<------- (experience)

Gift
11-02-2006, 11:32 AM
Sounds harsh, but fair.

You get drunk and discrace the entire state, you & thew sap who game you his ticket pay.

Lesson - dont give your tickets to drunken idiots.


EDIT -
another example of why booze has no place in pro sports stadiums.

COJOMAY
11-02-2006, 11:47 AM
So the guy who threw the bottle came forward. I applaud him for doing that. Now the police knew who threw it. Fine the crap out of him. And the season ticket holder has learned a lesson to never give tickets to him or anyt let him keep the tickets.

I wonder what happens to people who are season ticket holders and can't make the game so they sell their tickets on some website where they have no control over who buys them?

I agree that there has to be some responsibility on the part of the ticket holder but surrending your season ticket because of some other jerk is a bit harsh unless you knew in advance he was a jerk to begin with.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 11:50 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


So the guy who threw the bottle came forward. I applaud him for doing that. Now the police knew who threw it. Fine the crap out of him. And the season ticket holder has learned a lesson to never give tickets to him or anyt let him keep the tickets.

I wonder what happens to people who are season ticket holders and can't make the game so they sell their tickets on some website where they have no control over who buys them?

I agree that there has to be some responsibility on the part of the ticket holder but surrending your season ticket because of some other jerk is a bit harsh unless you knew in advance he was a jerk to begin with.


That's what I am saying too Cojo!

In a way if you miss the game and someone slides into your seat it is still your seat. That is why I think it would just be better to fricking deal with the actual person who did the act. There is plenty of blame to go around if they want to play the blame game.

Zeus
11-02-2006, 12:17 PM
"happy" wrote:


I'm also a season ticket holder.

I think it's rediculous someones season tickets could be revoked for this.

It doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

Sure, I'm responsible for who I give them to, but gol 'darnit, alcohol can turn any self respecting dude into a complete jiggly butt.


Then that dude should not drink if he can't control himself.


I don't get why this is anything but black and white.
You enter into a contract with the Vikings when you purchase the tickets.
If you can't deal with that - and the consequences of the actions of those to whom you give the tickets - then don't buy the tickets.

=Z=

Zeus
11-02-2006, 12:18 PM
"Del" wrote:


"Chad8970" wrote:


Come on now, don't always blame the beer.
If you're a jerk when you drink, it's not the beer, chances are you're a jerk!


Although in his defense, I've wanted to throw many things after watching the Viking's offense this year.


I've seen both. I've seen mild tempered people turn into raging donkey butts when they are drunk. I do not see how accountability can't stop at the person who did the activity. Why the need to take it further.


Because that guy would not have been in the stands, armed with a projectile, had not season-ticket-holder given him the tickets.

=Z=

Zeus
11-02-2006, 12:20 PM
"Del" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


So the guy who threw the bottle came forward. I applaud him for doing that. Now the police knew who threw it. Fine the crap out of him. And the season ticket holder has learned a lesson to never give tickets to him or anyt let him keep the tickets.

I wonder what happens to people who are season ticket holders and can't make the game so they sell their tickets on some website where they have no control over who buys them?

I agree that there has to be some responsibility on the part of the ticket holder but surrending your season ticket because of some other jerk is a bit harsh unless you knew in advance he was a jerk to begin with.


That's what I am saying too Cojo!

In a way if you miss the game and someone slides into your seat it is still your seat. That is why I think it would just be better to fricking deal with the actual person who did the act. There is plenty of blame to go around if they want to play the blame game.


In that case, the responsibility is on whoever gave the guy who slid into your seat a ticket.
Or whoever sold it to him.
That he is in my seat (for example) does not make me liable for action, as that person is not in the seat he is supposed to be in.

=Z=

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 12:23 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"COJOMAY" wrote:


So the guy who threw the bottle came forward. I applaud him for doing that. Now the police knew who threw it. Fine the crap out of him. And the season ticket holder has learned a lesson to never give tickets to him or anyt let him keep the tickets.

I wonder what happens to people who are season ticket holders and can't make the game so they sell their tickets on some website where they have no control over who buys them?

I agree that there has to be some responsibility on the part of the ticket holder but surrending your season ticket because of some other jerk is a bit harsh unless you knew in advance he was a jerk to begin with.


That's what I am saying too Cojo!

In a way if you miss the game and someone slides into your seat it is still your seat. That is why I think it would just be better to fricking deal with the actual person who did the act. There is plenty of blame to go around if they want to play the blame game.


In that case, the responsibility is on whoever gave the guy who slid into your seat a ticket.
Or whoever sold it to him.
That he is in my seat (for example) does not make me liable for action, as that person is not in the seat he is supposed to be in.

=Z=


Sweet so a guy goes to the counter and buys a ticket from the Vikings. He slides into your seat. What are they going to do fire themselves?

Zeus
11-02-2006, 12:29 PM
"Del" wrote:


Sweet so a guy goes to the counter and buys a ticket from the Vikings. He slides into your seat. What are they going to do fire themselves?


Now you're just being silly.


When the guy in your example buys the ticket FROM the Vikings, he enters into the contract with the Vikings.
Part of that contract is a good conduct clause, as noted elsewhere.
If that guy then starts tossing bottles around, then he loses the right to purchase more tickets - or use other tickets he has already bought - because of the violation of the good conduct clause.

End.
Of.
Story.

=Z=

NodakPaul
11-02-2006, 12:33 PM
"Del" wrote:


Sweet so a guy goes to the counter and buys a ticket from the Vikings. He slides into your seat. What are they going to do fire themselves?


You are reading in to the whole "seat" think too far.
It doesn't matter where the asshat was when he threw the bottle.
What matters is how he got in.
When we are saying seat, we are really referring to the ticket to get into the game, regardless of what seat they are sitting in at the time.


If a guy goes to the ticket counter and buys a ticket, then there are no season ticket holders involved, so the policy doesn't apply.

Bottom line, if you give (or sell for that matter) one of your season tickets to someone else, then you are responsible for their actions while at the game.
That is what the contract explicitly says.
Now, I have had to sell my tickets on ebay on a couple of occasions.
Does that mean that I can shirk my responsibility as a ticket holder?
No.
That is one of the risks you take when selling your tickets.

If you, as a ticket holder, are worried about this policy coming back to bite you if you sell the tickets, you can always sell them through TicketMaster.
They will sell the tickets at face value, and it will absolve you of responsibilty for the buyer's actions (it is just like selling them back to the Vikings, and them selling them to someone else).

Prophet
11-02-2006, 12:36 PM
Man Law #486.5

If a friend causes you to lose your season tickets the penalty is castration and one conjugal visit to the local prison.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 12:37 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Sweet so a guy goes to the counter and buys a ticket from the Vikings. He slides into your seat. What are they going to do fire themselves?


You are reading in to the whole "seat" think too far.
It doesn't matter where the asshat was when he threw the bottle.
What matters is how he got in.
When we are saying seat, we are really referring to the ticket to get into the game, regardless of what seat they are sitting in at the time.


If a guy goes to the ticket counter and buys a ticket, then there are no season ticket holders involved, so the policy doesn't apply.

Bottom line, if you give (or sell for that matter) one of your season tickets to someone else, then you are responsible for their actions while at the game.
That is what the contract explicitly says.
Now, I have had to sell my tickets on ebay on a couple of occasions.
Does that mean that I can shirk my responsibility as a ticket holder?
No.
That is one of the risks you take when selling your tickets.

If you, as a ticket holder, are worried about this policy coming back to bite you if you sell the tickets, you can always sell them through TicketMaster.
They will sell the tickets at face value, and it will absolve you of responsibilty for the buyer's actions (it is just like selling them back to the Vikings, and them selling them to someone else).


That is extreemly understandable and has been acknowledged from the begining. Rules are rules and those are the rules. I think the rules are stupid. There is absolutely no good reason that the actual person who did the act should not be the sole party accountable. Like I said I would be surprised if he loses his season tickets someone keep it updated.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 12:39 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Sweet so a guy goes to the counter and buys a ticket from the Vikings. He slides into your seat. What are they going to do fire themselves?


Now you're just being silly.


When the guy in your example buys the ticket FROM the Vikings, he enters into the contract with the Vikings.
Part of that contract is a good conduct clause, as noted elsewhere.
If that guy then starts tossing bottles around, then he loses the right to purchase more tickets - or use other tickets he has already bought - because of the violation of the good conduct clause.

End.
Of.
Story.

=Z=


It's not being silly it is responding to your answer.

"In that case, the responsibility is on whoever gave the guy who slid into your seat a ticket.
Or whoever sold it to him."

NodakPaul
11-02-2006, 01:22 PM
"Del" wrote:


That is extreemly understandable and has been acknowledged from the begining. Rules are rules and those are the rules. I think the rules are stupid. There is absolutely no good reason that the actual person who did the act should not be the sole party accountable. Like I said I would be surprised if he loses his season tickets someone keep it updated.


I am not sure if he will lose his tickets or not.
In this situation I can conceed that the ticket holder gave his tickets away in good faith, and did not know that his friend would bring his idiot brother.
What would be your opinion had he gone to the game and it was one of his guests that threw the bottle?
Is he responsible then?
What if he gave his tickets to a couple of people that he knew did stupid pooh when they got drunk, and had a good chance of doing something like that at the game?
Now he isn't at the game, but is he still responsible?

Where do you draw the line?
Are you opening yourself up to civil action if you revoke one ticket holder's tickets, but not another’s because he claimed ignorance?
Putting it in black and white and stating that you are always responsible for the actions of the people who use your tickets regardless of the circumstances surrounding it makes it non-subjective.


If I am not mistaken, weren't the seats in the low row number, upper deck, corner end zone.
Probably a 5 year ticket holder or so (just a guess based on my own ticket locations and number of years).
I say revoke the guys tickets, but allow him to reapply next year.
Or revoke them for the rest of this year, but allow him to retain his seniority when renewals come up.
That way there is a demons ratable consequence, but doesn't screw the guy too much.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 01:36 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


That is extreemly understandable and has been acknowledged from the begining. Rules are rules and those are the rules. I think the rules are stupid. There is absolutely no good reason that the actual person who did the act should not be the sole party accountable. Like I said I would be surprised if he loses his season tickets someone keep it updated.


I am not sure if he will lose his tickets or not.
In this situation I can conceed that the ticket holder gave his tickets away in good faith, and did not know that his friend would bring his idiot brother.
What would be your opinion had he gone to the game and it was one of his guests that threw the bottle?
Is he responsible then?
What if he gave his tickets to a couple of people that he knew did stupid pooh when they got drunk, and had a good chance of doing something like that at the game?
Now he isn't at the game, but is he still responsible?

Where do you draw the line?
Are you opening yourself up to civil action if you revoke one ticket holder's tickets, but not another’s because he claimed ignorance?
Putting it in black and white and stating that you are always responsible for the actions of the people who use your tickets regardless of the circumstances surrounding it makes it non-subjective.


If I am not mistaken, weren't the seats in the low row number, upper deck, corner end zone.
Probably a 5 year ticket holder or so (just a guess based on my own ticket locations and number of years).
I say revoke the guys tickets, but allow him to reapply next year.
Or revoke them for the rest of this year, but allow him to retain his seniority when renewals come up.
That way there is a demons ratable consequence, but doesn't screw the guy too much.


You're proving my point. All the what ifs go away when you only punish the person who did the act. Where DO you draw the line now? It is much more blurry then If you say "Hey you threw a bottle YOU ARE going to be punished." Not your brothers friends friends uncles cousins chef.

NodakPaul
11-02-2006, 01:42 PM
I do understand you point Del, but season ticket holders have more at stake than people who are invited to the game.
If a season ticket holder loses his tickets it is a pretty big deal.
Good motivation to make sure your guests aren't asses.
But if Joe Blow from the street is at his first Vikings game, gets drunk, and starts throwing bottles and therefore is banned from Vikings games in the future, do you really think he will care as much?
He will probably just go back to watching them at the bar...

If you want people to be civil at the game, then you need to make the consequences for not doing so serious enough to make an impact.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 02:42 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


I do understand you point Del, but season ticket holders have more at stake than people who are invited to the game.
If a season ticket holder loses his tickets it is a pretty big deal.
Good motivation to make sure your guests aren't asses.
But if Joe Blow from the street is at his first Vikings game, gets drunk, and starts throwing bottles and therefore is banned from Vikings games in the future, do you really think he will care as much?
He will probably just go back to watching them at the bar...

If you want people to be civil at the game, then you need to make the consequences for not doing so serious enough to make an impact.



If he goes back to watching them at the bar then he isn't throwing anymore beer bottles at the game and justice has been served.

Lets say you take a guest and he throws a beer bottle, are you going to take him again? I doubt it. Are you throwing beer bottles? Nope. So he wont be at another game.

Your right though the rules say how it is so you people lucky enough to get the season tickets know what is right and what is not. I am a season ticket holder of the Jazz and there are way more home games in the NBA then football. So I give tickets away all the time. That rule doesn't exsist for me though and if it did I would probably not buy the tickets.

If I have spent thousands of dollars for year after year and you want to take my tickets away because someone else does something dumb then you can go sit on it and spin IMO. Because you (you being the team) are not doing background checks on patrons. So why should I? If those actions were done by someone you let in the building (again you being the team) then the punishment would stop at the person who did it. I expect the same.

In the end though the rules are plain as day and those who wish to not abide by them can choose to not buy tickets I suppose.

Just shooting some discussion here.

singersp
11-02-2006, 08:34 PM
"Del" wrote:


What do you do if you no show and someone slips into your seat and hits someone in the head with a plastic beer bottle? Are you responsible?

That's a no-brainer. that's why I could easily figure it out.

The tickets are scanned when you enter the stadium. If a season ticket holder doesn't show up for a game, then the records for his ticket will show that the seat was supposed to be empty in the first place. He should still even have the original unscanned ticket in his possession.

Let's say he did attend the game, but left early & vacated his seat. Then the person slid into his seat & commited the act. Hopefully the season ticket holder would have hung on to his ticket to show that he was at the game & the act happened after he left.

They would have to know the perps assigned seating location, either by looking at his ticket as proof or maybe by his admission of where he was supposed to be sitting, before taking any action against the season ticket holder

Another thing I want to make clear. Even though the season ticket holder can have his season tickets revoked, it doesn't mean that the Vikings will definitely revoke his ticket. It is not mandatory that they do so. They would weigh the circumstances & the severity of the act & rule whether or not revocation is appropriate.

What their criteria is for their judgements, I can not tell you.

JellyBean2144
11-02-2006, 10:12 PM
I saw that during the game. Holy cow!! I feel bad for the cat that gave his tickets to the bum in the first place. That reminds me. I hope to God!! my brother in law does not mess up the families season tickets! He would doing something like that, too.