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Webby
10-16-2006, 11:48 AM
I am starting an open discussion here for those of us in the HOF ranks and above.

We in this group are considered amongst the site leaders.
We are the ones who welcome people to this place, slap around stupid posts, and generally shape the perception of this site.

There has been a big groundswell of differing opinions on how things go around this site.
I hear a tremendous amount each day from differing members.

What I want is some open and frank discussion on how we see things going and any suggestions for change, if any is needed.
Or do we need to harden the line?
Perhaps we just need to ignore the "movement", I don't know.
The SI coverage seems to have resulted in a influx of freaks who can't sustain an argument if it meant getting laid.

So, tell me a bit about any thoughts y'all may have.
I seem to do this once a year to get my bearings a bit as I try to make this site appealing as much as I can to the majority, because thats how we got all the great members like y'all.

I can say we are getting new forums to combat some of these issues...but will talk about that later.
Also, this is being debated in the mods area, but this also needs to be turned out to you guys for opinions.

Thanks!

Webby
10-16-2006, 12:02 PM
One of my proposed rules modifications is thus:

"unsubstantiated arguments are simply masturbation.
We don't need to see it."

;D ;D ;D ;D

Ltrey33
10-16-2006, 12:08 PM
"Webby" wrote:


One of my proposed rules modifications is thus:

"unsubstantiated arguments are simply masturbation.
We don't need to see it."

;D ;D ;D ;D




Ha! I like that....and in the end, you're only screwing yourself.
;)

One question that I have is whether or not the seasoned members should rag on the guys who start the same threads over and over again. I think Prophet's Groundhog Day post is hilarious, but I know he and Whack and Del got in a little tiff the other day over it. Should we give them a little whoopin for posting another Moss thread? Or should we politely PM them and let them know that it's been posted before? I think it's fun to post the "OMG not this thread again" pictures, but I don't want to alienate anyone.

What does everyone think?

triedandtruevikesfan
10-16-2006, 12:08 PM
I think your right... we need to crack down a little more.
When the idiots drive off one of our most respected members its time we do something.
I can't believe that prophet left!!

Ltrey33
10-16-2006, 12:14 PM
"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


I think your right... we need to crack down a little more.
When the idiots drive off one of our most respected members its time we do something.
I can't believe that prophet left!!



I agree, it's a shame. I say we let the HOF forum be our refuge!

Even though we've had an influx of members that, like Webby said, can't carry an argument in a bucket, I think some of the post-whoring has gone down. I don't see quite as many "wurd."-esque posts anymore.

I just don't want to see anyone else leave because they are fed up, because ther are still a lot of people on this site that want to read Prophet's posts, know what I mean?

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 12:17 PM
Half the time an argument breaks out it is because of the reaction to the initial response is personal.

You want a great example of how this gets blown out of proportion is a newer member last week made a thread about Brad Johnson and his struggles and how Tavaris may be an option. The thread was well thought out and it was presented well, damn near everyone politely disagreed, and a conversation happened.

I don't buy people get abused for having a different opinion and I don't buy people get abused for not being a part of the "in crowd" You know how many times Me and Caine have disagreed, me and colorado, Whackthepack......everyone. No one got hurt no one cried about it, we did fine. I do the exact same for new people.

You have a community here of people who have been here way longer then me and some not so much, but when you have someone kick in your door and say I'M HERE BITCHES! TRADE BRAD JOHNSON......it's not going to fly, and frankly to me it shouldn't have to.

mnjamie
10-16-2006, 12:17 PM
I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ

Webby
10-16-2006, 12:21 PM
The new board has a feature called "groans".
When you groan a thread because it is stupid and repetitive....lol...it gets them closer to the dreaded "buh bye".
there are thread ratings so you can avoid the stupid ones, and under EACH thread it is AWESOME:
similar threads.
If you are in a moss one, other moss ones show up.
They can go screw around in them and not start new ones!

Yeah that tiff wasn't good.
There have been a few lately even amongst elder members....meaning to me that we needed to open this up a bit and figure out how we want to go on things.
Or like family, it happens, and it comes and goes.

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 12:26 PM
Well hopefully we get some of those members in here to get some things going back and forth. If they can't handle the situation themselves with a PM to the person and want to PM Webby then that does no good. Lets clear it up.

Hopefully he doesn't get upset with me for saying this but Anglo is good for doing this. He has PM'd me a time or two and basically in the logical manner he always is stated what he observed going on. Sometimes that is all it takes. I piss alot of people off, and I can say right here that more often then not if I realize I went off the deep end I send a PM and 90% of the time the person is fine and we go off in the sunset holding hands and poking each others bums.

Webby
10-16-2006, 12:28 PM
Oh, and this, from a snipper of my conversation with Prophet:

"The new boards have exactly that thought:
infractions.
Leaders of the site can hit an infraction on newest members, and as it rises, we mods then warn, then temp ban, then perma ban.

I actually thought people were going to freak out when I introduced that feature; maybe I misread the situation."

Webby
10-16-2006, 12:31 PM
"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ


That pisses me off too.
I wanted to ban all self congratulatory threads and that BS....but felt it might be a part of the community people liked, warm fuzzies and all.

That is what the clubhouse is for though.
Different strokes.
But I get bored seeing it in the top ten, thats for sure.
Maybe I make that the football talk only?

gregair13
10-16-2006, 12:31 PM
i haven't really been posting a lot lately because i have been super busy with school so i don't know to the full extent of how bad these people are.

if anything, instead of ragging on them for posting useless crap, we need to encourage them to post more useful stuff. when most people move into a new community, they just want to fit in at whatever cost. same thing with a forum. it is really hard to get into the main circle of the group of regular posters.

so maybe instead of ripping them a new hole to shoot things out of, we can be more kind to them and suggest use of the search function instead of the create new topic function. you could do this by a PM to them, or just quote there message in the new topic they made and remind them to do it the right way. if they don't listen, ban/suspend them. thats pretty simple.

and remember: we want more people to post and share their opinions. as long as it is useful.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 12:33 PM
"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


I think your right... we need to crack down a little more.
When the idiots drive off one of our most respected members its time we do something.
I can't believe that prophet left!!



On the other hand, we don't want to become elitists either.

If we are allowed to rag on those (mostly newbies) who start Moss and Pep posts and the like, where will it end?
If we are allowed to smack them, then I want the power to smack those who misuse grammar and misspell words (practically EVERYONE).
I am not really serious about that last line...but you see where I am coming from.

I want to see this site be the biggest and best site around...and we can't become that if we scare away most of the newbies.
Otherwise, we risk having the same posters making the majority of the posts.
I say we either let the Moss threads get created and let the members either ignore the thread or show the thread creator where their logic is flawed.
Part of our job is to educate the uninitiated...we can do it gently and the message will be heard...or we can be mean and they will just tell everyone they know that PP.O is nothing but a bunch of self-righteous, pompous jerks.
Just my 2 DOLLARS worth.

Prophet is either making a point here...or he is being a big baby about it.
Either way, he needs to do what he thinks is best for himself.
I like having him on this site and I respect his posts and enjoy his humor...but he does have to cut some of these newbies some slack...that is part of the natural pattern of the growth of this site.
Trust me, college guy jeff was one of those ignorant people who started stupid threads...and it took awhile, but he finally got the message...and left of his own accord.
No one said that we can't ignore the posts and threads that we think are stupid...and once the "offender" realizes that no one is listening or that they are getting smacked on every post they make, they will either quit being stupid or just quit.
No need for a respected member to leave over that kind of crap though.
But to each his own.

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 12:34 PM
Is there a way to have it customizable? Like you can only have 1 latest talk but it can be EITHER.

A)All football
B)All Clubhouse type stuff
C)Mix


I think your going to get gratz threads and back patting no matter what.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 12:35 PM
"gregair13" wrote:


i haven't really been posting a lot lately because i have been super busy with school so i don't know to the full extent of how bad these people are.

if anything, instead of ragging on them for posting useless crap, we need to encourage them to post more useful stuff. when most people move into a new community, they just want to fit in at whatever cost. same thing with a forum. it is really hard to get into the main circle of the group of regular posters.

so maybe instead of ripping them a new hole to shoot things out of, we can be more kind to them and suggest use of the search function instead of the create new topic function. you could do this by a PM to them, or just quote there message in the new topic they made and remind them to do it the right way. if they don't listen, ban/suspend them. thats pretty simple.

and remember: we want more people to post and share their opinions. as long as it is useful.


I agree...but what is useful to some, may not be useful to others...we all need to understand that as long as it is not BLATENTLY offensive, we just need to let it roll off of our backs and move on to the next thread.

Webby
10-16-2006, 12:35 PM
Excellent points, all....please keep them coming....this is just what I had hoped for.

Webby
10-16-2006, 12:38 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"gregair13" wrote:


i haven't really been posting a lot lately because i have been super busy with school so i don't know to the full extent of how bad these people are.

if anything, instead of ragging on them for posting useless crap, we need to encourage them to post more useful stuff. when most people move into a new community, they just want to fit in at whatever cost. same thing with a forum. it is really hard to get into the main circle of the group of regular posters.

so maybe instead of ripping them a new hole to shoot things out of, we can be more kind to them and suggest use of the search function instead of the create new topic function. you could do this by a PM to them, or just quote there message in the new topic they made and remind them to do it the right way. if they don't listen, ban/suspend them. thats pretty simple.

and remember: we want more people to post and share their opinions. as long as it is useful.


I agree...but what is useful to some, may not be useful to others...we all need to understand that as long as it is not BLATENTLY offensive, we just need to let it roll off of our backs and move on to the next thread.


That's my question...will thread ratings help?
People can leave a rating on a thread....and will that be enough to have people not look at the the stupid ones....

Or will that also lead to gang mentality.
I like it myself, thread ratings.
I use them at other places all the time to decide where to invest my time.

I could do top ten vikings talk, top ten clubhouse too.

gregair, how would that fit your scenarion, thread rankings>

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 12:39 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"gregair13" wrote:


i haven't really been posting a lot lately because i have been super busy with school so i don't know to the full extent of how bad these people are.

if anything, instead of ragging on them for posting useless crap, we need to encourage them to post more useful stuff. when most people move into a new community, they just want to fit in at whatever cost. same thing with a forum. it is really hard to get into the main circle of the group of regular posters.

so maybe instead of ripping them a new hole to shoot things out of, we can be more kind to them and suggest use of the search function instead of the create new topic function. you could do this by a PM to them, or just quote there message in the new topic they made and remind them to do it the right way. if they don't listen, ban/suspend them. thats pretty simple.

and remember: we want more people to post and share their opinions. as long as it is useful.


I agree...but what is useful to some, may not be useful to others...we all need to understand that as long as it is not BLATENTLY offensive, we just need to let it roll off of our backs and move on to the next thread.


I think each situation is different and there is an awful lot of generalizing going on. If you have a guy make a thread he has 12 posts. You go back read them and they are all pertaining to the same thing and he keeps making new threads to try and hammer his horrible point across that is not BLATENTLY offensive, but it isn't very useful and can easily be considered trolling.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 12:41 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ


That pisses me off too.

I wanted to ban all self congratulatory threads and that BS....but felt it might be a part of the community people liked, warm fuzzies and all.

That is what the clubhouse is for though.
Different strokes.
But I get bored seeing it in the top ten, thats for sure.
Maybe I make that the football talk only?


That is EXACTLY what makes this community stick together.

And NO, if someone wants JUST football talk, they can always click Fan Forums on the Home Page and go straight to the Vikings Fan Forum.

OTHERWISE, I may just have to start nitpicking EVERY single post that I read.

BOTTOM LINE is THIS...each person here has to make this site what they want it to be to themselves...take the good with the bad...and just ignore the threads that you don't want to read.
Now, I will agree that thread hijacking is one of the things that is very hard to control (and I have been guilty of it from time to time), but the Moss and Pep thread titles have been OBVIOUS to spot and if NO ONE wants to read them, they will soon be relegated to the back pages of the relevant forum.

A compromise could MAYBE be a setting that makes YOUR latest talk filter out certain forums (the Clubhouse, for instance).
That way, we can control what we see on an individual basis.

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 12:42 PM
There is a news site I frequent that has a simple rating system. Where you can vote on each post. It goes like:

-1 Disagree
-1 Troll
-1 Offtopic
-1 Wrong Forum
0
split vote
+1 Agree
+1 Informative
+1 Persuasive

This even helps mods find posts and threads that need to be dealt with. It has potential for abuse. It also give a voice to the large# of people who may have an opinion but are too scared to voice it. Just vote and let it do the talking.

If you do that I would limit it to the Vikings Forum first maybe that would help with football talk.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 12:44 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"gregair13" wrote:


i haven't really been posting a lot lately because i have been super busy with school so i don't know to the full extent of how bad these people are.

if anything, instead of ragging on them for posting useless crap, we need to encourage them to post more useful stuff. when most people move into a new community, they just want to fit in at whatever cost. same thing with a forum. it is really hard to get into the main circle of the group of regular posters.

so maybe instead of ripping them a new hole to shoot things out of, we can be more kind to them and suggest use of the search function instead of the create new topic function. you could do this by a PM to them, or just quote there message in the new topic they made and remind them to do it the right way. if they don't listen, ban/suspend them. thats pretty simple.

and remember: we want more people to post and share their opinions. as long as it is useful.


I agree...but what is useful to some, may not be useful to others...we all need to understand that as long as it is not BLATENTLY offensive, we just need to let it roll off of our backs and move on to the next thread.


That's my question...will thread ratings help?

People can leave a rating on a thread....and will that be enough to have people not look at the the stupid ones....

Or will that also lead to gang mentality.

I like it myself, thread ratings.
I use them at other places all the time to decide where to invest my time.

I could do top ten vikings talk, top ten clubhouse too.

gregair, how would that fit your scenarion, thread rankings>


One click of the Fan Forums button and then another click of the Vikings Fan Forums button and you get the SAME thing!

An option would be to allow each of us to designate whether we want to filter out stuff or not...or to set our own personal Latest Talk to a particular forum or not.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 12:48 PM
"Del" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"gregair13" wrote:


i haven't really been posting a lot lately because i have been super busy with school so i don't know to the full extent of how bad these people are.

if anything, instead of ragging on them for posting useless crap, we need to encourage them to post more useful stuff. when most people move into a new community, they just want to fit in at whatever cost. same thing with a forum. it is really hard to get into the main circle of the group of regular posters.

so maybe instead of ripping them a new hole to shoot things out of, we can be more kind to them and suggest use of the search function instead of the create new topic function. you could do this by a PM to them, or just quote there message in the new topic they made and remind them to do it the right way. if they don't listen, ban/suspend them. thats pretty simple.

and remember: we want more people to post and share their opinions. as long as it is useful.


I agree...but what is useful to some, may not be useful to others...we all need to understand that as long as it is not BLATENTLY offensive, we just need to let it roll off of our backs and move on to the next thread.


I think each situation is different and there is an awful lot of generalizing going on. If you have a guy make a thread he has 12 posts. You go back read them and they are all pertaining to the same thing and he keeps making new threads to try and hammer his horrible point across that is not BLATENTLY offensive, but it isn't very useful and can easily be considered trolling.


BUT if no one is answering him, then he will get the message...or continue his conversation with himself.
Of course, the other option is that we can all gang up on his sorry butt and have fun pounding him into cyber-submission.
Takes the place of the lack of trolls that we have on which to pound!

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 12:53 PM
"Del" wrote:


Well hopefully we get some of those members in here to get some things going back and forth. If they can't handle the situation themselves with a PM to the person and want to PM Webby then that does no good. Lets clear it up.

Hopefully he doesn't get upset with me for saying this but Anglo is good for doing this. He has PM'd me a time or two and basically in the logical manner he always is stated what he observed going on. Sometimes that is all it takes. I piss alot of people off, and I can say right here that more often then not if I realize I went off the deep end I send a PM and 90% of the time the person is fine and we go off in the sunset holding hands and poking each others bums.



Shock has done the same thing to me when I have stepped over the line...and I have no problem with him doing it and have usually PMed the person that was offended and apologized for it.

Remember what happened when akvikesfan left...we didn't change for one member...nor should we!

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 12:58 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"gregair13" wrote:


i haven't really been posting a lot lately because i have been super busy with school so i don't know to the full extent of how bad these people are.

if anything, instead of ragging on them for posting useless crap, we need to encourage them to post more useful stuff. when most people move into a new community, they just want to fit in at whatever cost. same thing with a forum. it is really hard to get into the main circle of the group of regular posters.

so maybe instead of ripping them a new hole to shoot things out of, we can be more kind to them and suggest use of the search function instead of the create new topic function. you could do this by a PM to them, or just quote there message in the new topic they made and remind them to do it the right way. if they don't listen, ban/suspend them. thats pretty simple.

and remember: we want more people to post and share their opinions. as long as it is useful.


I agree...but what is useful to some, may not be useful to others...we all need to understand that as long as it is not BLATENTLY offensive, we just need to let it roll off of our backs and move on to the next thread.


I think each situation is different and there is an awful lot of generalizing going on. If you have a guy make a thread he has 12 posts. You go back read them and they are all pertaining to the same thing and he keeps making new threads to try and hammer his horrible point across that is not BLATENTLY offensive, but it isn't very useful and can easily be considered trolling.


BUT if no one is answering him, then he will get the message...or continue his conversation with himself.
Of course, the other option is that we can all gang up on his sorry butt and have fun pounding him into cyber-submission.
Takes the place of the lack of trolls that we have on which to pound!


Well like I have suggested many times over very rarely does someone come in and get pounded for nothing. Look at the welcome threads, look at the threads that go against the grain and are done in a reasonable manner.

Most often you attack the post and it hurts their feelings and they begin to attack the person who replied and then all hell breaks lose.

If I see someon say something I consider stupid I'm going to comment and usually I will give my reasons why. If they get offended then who knows where it can go. The thing is when I say stupid things I expect to get called on it and many people do call me on it, I have no problem with that.

Webby
10-16-2006, 01:04 PM
Noone is changing in relation to Prophet.

This has been an issue for me for some time.
And others.

The thread rating helps maybe in what Del Rio said.
Or the Leaders doing infractions.

However, the community aspects are important.
Some younger members may not have the football chops to spew statistics.
Maybe they simply believe what they want.
Nothing is wrong with that if they can back it up, right, with an opinion?

This is the strongest community I have been to in which we can also mention other things...people feel comfortable sharing with this group.

That is important.

Prophet always posting news to trick people...that got old.
The gathered some ill-will.
Many of his other posts are great.

So did I care?
Not really.
Let him be a member and enjoy himself.
This is not about micromanaging people.
This is about guiding a community via the leadership.

My biggest issues (in no order):
1.
Thread Hijacking
2.
Unwarranted newbie bashing; warranted certainly okay
3.
No gentle ways to control and train newbies
(community feedback for getting people in line)
4.
No 5 strikes and you're out policy (or whatever)
5.
Upturn in actual football analysis but the perception is less
6.
Community strength is potential weakness (bridge those gaps)
7.
Mod actions or lack of action

I feel like I have a handle on 3 and 4 in our transition.

triedandtruevikesfan
10-16-2006, 01:06 PM
I don't think this is all about Prophet leaving, it may have been what got us to really look at things, but there are some issues.
I think we just need to be careful about how we respond to some people.
Attacking them is not the way to do it.
When Singer or Prophet post the funny pictures about duplicate thread and this and that, we may think its humerous, but someone that just joined probably doesn't think so.
I can understand how some people may think that there is no way into the inner circle.
For females its easy... we tend to accept them all, but with males its a little bit different.
I think that they have to work really hard at being accepted by some of us and that shouldn't be the way it is.
Someone has one bad thread they start or an unpopular opinion and they are digging themselves out of that hole for a while.
Most people probably don't think its worth it and go find another site.


I think that we need to do a better job at making them feel welcome.
Not just the welcome thread, but maybe making a little more effort to include them in conversations.

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 01:15 PM
I think there is serious potential to diminish content if you powder everyones ass all day. I'm not saying anyone has suggested that, but regardless if you are new or old or medium rare if you post a thread that has been posted 700 times before you are taking away from the quality of the site in theory.

Maybe what should happen is make it clear as day that the Mods will take care of it and then begin make sure we do.

Some of those threads I believe deserve locking with an explanation of the rules or a friendly pointer, but to avoid being a thread nazi I just make a comment. If you set your foot down and address the issue both ways with Moderators then perhaps it would at least take away some of the potential for abuse, and some of the grey area.

COJOMAY
10-16-2006, 01:17 PM
OK, I'm just gonna throw in my 2c here and then let it drop.
For me, this site isn't "fun" any more. I almost afraid to post something in fear of getting called out.
Without mentioning any names, let me tell you of a personal experience.
Singer is the "newshound" of this site but I used to do my fair share. Sometimes I doubled up on this but always felt like a jerk when I did and apologized. In most cases it was my fault anyway.
But a couple of months ago Singer was on vacation. I started posting news articles in his absence. I got called out for it. Old rules were posted and new rules made up. (I won't go into a lot of detail here about that.) But what really peed me off was the person who posted the "rules" then went ahead and started doing exactly what I was doing and broke his rules himself.
For instance -- one of the rules was post the headline and then a couple of sentences and a link to the article. Well, this rule was broken time and time again by the person who told me what to do.
I understand rules but it seems like some people are above the rules and love to call people's attention to their little mistakes while making the same mistakes themselves.
That has caused me to pretty much stop posting althogh I still come in here two or three times a day and read stuff.
It's still the best Vikings Forum around and I've made some good friends here who I admire.
Anyway, just my two cents worth.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 01:32 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


OK, I'm just gonna throw in my 2c here and then let it drop.
For me, this site isn't "fun" any more. I almost afraid to post something in fear of getting called out.
Without mentioning any names, let me tell you of a personal experience.
Singer is the "newshound" of this site but I used to do my fair share. Sometimes I doubled up on this but always felt like a jerk when I did and apologized. In most cases it was my fault anyway.
But a couple of months ago Singer was on vacation. I started posting news articles in his absence. I got called out for it. Old rules were posted and new rules made up. (I won't go into a lot of detail here about that.) But what really peed me off was the person who posted the "rules" then went ahead and started doing exactly what I was doing and broke his rules himself.
For instance -- one of the rules was post the headline and then a couple of sentences and a link to the article. Well, this rule was broken time and time again by the person who told me what to do.
I understand rules but it seems like some people are above the rules and love to call people's attention to their little mistakes while making the same mistakes themselves.
That has caused me to pretty much stop posting althogh I still come in here two or three times a day and read stuff.
It's still the best Vikings Forum around and I've made some good friends here who I admire.
Anyway, just my two cents worth.


I will back COJO on this...especially the "rule" about news article posting.
The rule needs to be CONSISTENTLY followed or jettisoned altogether!

Let's not let this get out of hand though...COJO is right on about ONE thing...PP.O IS the BEST Vikings Forum around!!!

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 01:36 PM
"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


I don't think this is all about Prophet leaving, it may have been what got us to really look at things, but there are some issues.
I think we just need to be careful about how we respond to some people.
Attacking them is not the way to do it.
When Singer or Prophet post the funny pictures about duplicate thread and this and that, we may think its humerous, but someone that just joined probably doesn't think so.
I can understand how some people may think that there is no way into the inner circle.
For females its easy... we tend to accept them all, but with males its a little bit different.
I think that they have to work really hard at being accepted by some of us and that shouldn't be the way it is.
Someone has one bad thread they start or an unpopular opinion and they are digging themselves out of that hole for a while.
Most people probably don't think its worth it and go find another site.


I think that we need to do a better job at making them feel welcome.
Not just the welcome thread, but maybe making a little more effort to include them in conversations.


You hit the nail right on the head, TNT!!!!

We are ALL Vikings fans here...newbies as well as vets...and UNTIL someone shows that they are an asshole, they should be shown respect.
Now, ONCE they DO show that they are an asshole, it should be open season on them...and I'm NOT talking about little mistakes, but repeated infractions of the written (and unwritten) code of behavior here.

mnjamie
10-16-2006, 01:38 PM
"Webby" wrote:


Noone is changing in relation to Prophet.

This has been an issue for me for some time.
And others.

The thread rating helps maybe in what Del Rio said.
Or the Leaders doing infractions.

However, the community aspects are important.
Some younger members may not have the football chops to spew statistics.
Maybe they simply believe what they want.
Nothing is wrong with that if they can back it up, right, with an opinion?

This is the strongest community I have been to in which we can also mention other things...people feel comfortable sharing with this group.

That is important.

Prophet always posting news to trick people...that got old.
The gathered some ill-will.
Many of his other posts are great.

So did I care?
Not really.
Let him be a member and enjoy himself.
This is not about micromanaging people.
This is about guiding a community via the leadership.

My biggest issues (in no order):
1.
Thread Hijacking
2.
Unwarranted newbie bashing; warranted certainly okay
3.
No gentle ways to control and train newbies
(community feedback for getting people in line)
4.
No 5 strikes and you're out policy (or whatever)
5.
Upturn in actual football analysis but the perception is less
6.
Community strength is potential weakness (bridge those gaps)
7.
Mod actions or lack of action

I feel like I have a handle on 3 and 4 in our transition.




Just a thought:

I remember that it took me like 5 tries to finally get "Approved" to enter the site ... maybe automatically decline people like two times when they apply and allow them in the third time??

Then maybe we will get the "quality" of members we are looking for??
The people who really want to contribute and be part of the site.

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 01:39 PM
I know COJO and I have argued on stuff before, and I do not rember calling him out or anyone on articles so I hope that isn't me.

I will have to say this.

If one person can make it so you stop posting then that isn't right. You can't have 7000 people going around worrying about hurting someones feelings. This isn't Dr. Phil chatroom this is an NFL football site. Cojo I miss your articles you should have just told him to blow it out of his ass, and elevate it to Webby if you had to.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 01:41 PM
"Webby" wrote:


Noone is changing in relation to Prophet.

This has been an issue for me for some time.
And others.

The thread rating helps maybe in what Del Rio said.
Or the Leaders doing infractions.

However, the community aspects are important.
Some younger members may not have the football chops to spew statistics.
Maybe they simply believe what they want.
Nothing is wrong with that if they can back it up, right, with an opinion?

This is the strongest community I have been to in which we can also mention other things...people feel comfortable sharing with this group.

That is important.

Prophet always posting news to trick people...that got old.

The gathered some ill-will.

Many of his other posts are great.

So did I care?
Not really.

Let him be a member and enjoy himself.

This is not about micromanaging people.

This is about guiding a community via the leadership.

My biggest issues (in no order):
1.
Thread Hijacking
2.
Unwarranted newbie bashing; warranted certainly okay
3.
No gentle ways to control and train newbies
(community feedback for getting people in line)
4.
No 5 strikes and you're out policy (or whatever)
5.
Upturn in actual football analysis but the perception is less
6.
Community strength is potential weakness (bridge those gaps)
7.
Mod actions or lack of action

I feel like I have a handle on 3 and 4 in our transition.



On 3, I have long felt that there should be a way to get newbies to actually READ the rules before they can actually join...maybe a SHORT quiz that they have to answer before they join (only a question or two, where they can get the answers from the rules section).
It's tricky, because they might figure that it isn't worth the effort...but maybe to get FULL privileges during a probationary period, they might have to answer the short quiz.
I think that if they realize how important it is to follow a few simple rules in order to make this a more enjoyable board, then we might get better cooperation on this issue.

2beersTommy
10-16-2006, 01:44 PM
This is the BEST Vikings site..I wouldnt change a thing, but then again, Im not on here that much to begin with. Whatever changes are made are fine with me!

Slade
10-16-2006, 01:48 PM
Hmmm, yes something needs to be done. I like the ideas being tossed around & its good to brainstorm new things. That being said, when we have more and more people signing up here, you get a higher chance of things getting out of control. People come in with their own ideas & may come from another forum where flaming is acceptable. Then they come here & continue that trend. It'll be tough to filter out, but that's one of the things what we need to discuss.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 01:49 PM
"2beersTommy" wrote:


This is the BEST Vikings site..I wouldnt change a thing, but then again, Im not on here that much to begin with. Whatever changes are made are fine with me!


Says the man with nearly 1500 posts!!!
:D

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 01:53 PM
We need sponsors for new people. Every HOF gets 3 newbs to be responsible for. You show them the ropes they get introduced through a member that is established and the community grows. After so many days or posts whatever they are set free.

Slade
10-16-2006, 01:56 PM
"Del" wrote:


We need sponsors for new people. Every HOF gets 3 newbs to be responsible for. You show them the ropes they get introduced through a member that is established and the community grows. After so many days or posts whatever they are set free.


- yeah, like a big poster program!
;)

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 01:59 PM
"Del" wrote:


We need sponsors for new people. Every HOF gets 3 newbs to be responsible for. You show them the ropes they get introduced through a member that is established and the community grows. After so many days or posts whatever they are set free.


Hmmm...not a bad idea...kinda like the next level down from Moderator...SPONSOR!

So how do we match up newbies with sponsors...all the assholes go to Del, all the hot women go to Cajun, etc.???
:D

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 02:04 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


We need sponsors for new people. Every HOF gets 3 newbs to be responsible for. You show them the ropes they get introduced through a member that is established and the community grows. After so many days or posts whatever they are set free.


Hmmm...not a bad idea...kinda like the next level down from Moderator...SPONSOR!

So how do we match up newbies with sponsors...all the donkey butts go to Del, all the hot women go to Cajun, etc.???
:D


Totally random.

Seriously though it sounds funny but it could be implemented in some form. That way instead of them reading the rules a person could go over them. They would feel more welcomed.

Maybe have an option if you want to be able to post or not. If all you want to do if read then there is no point in sponsoring. There is a free beer forumn it is supposed to be that way sort of. Mostly people just say HI welcome aboard this way you take it a step further.

JDogg926
10-16-2006, 02:05 PM
First of all, I'm flattered to be considered a "leader" of purplepride.
Secondly, did anyone else get 4 copies of the same email about this.
Was this to prove the point of not wanting to read multiple copies of what are essentially the same thread???

As someone who really doesn't spend a lot of time on here, especially compared to the cajun's and del rio's of the world, I kind of would like to defend, in a way, some of the new members.
Granted we've had our fair share of idiots and people who are really easily offended when the world does not agree with them, but as far as some of the threads that get posted by new members without realizing that a month ago someone posted the exact same thing.
I personally, about 90% of the time only look at the Top 10 or the New Replies to my posts.
I know
I don't get excited about the prospect of thumbing through a 40 page thread, and although I don't create a lot of new threads, some of the new members may see these huge threads, and be intimidated or simply not have the time to read through everything before they actually share some of their thoughts and/or opinions.
Then, when a member with 15 posts starts a new thread, the first couple responses they get are from people that actually spend a few hours a day on this site, and usually telling them "Hey Buddy, thread exists already, why didn't you look it up."
That really doesn't make people feel that welcome.
What may make more sense than locking threads like this is actually have a "Newcomer's forum", where they can not only break themselves in, but if they happen to either touch on a topic that's already been discussed (which is sure to happen), or touch a nerve, it should be less of an issue.
Just a thought.

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 02:11 PM
I wish we had some real numbers here, because I am willing to bet that this is a massive generalization of our members reacting to duplicate posts.

There is a difference between a guy making a post that there are three of in the latest talk and a guy making a post that has been made 3 months ago.

You probably also have to account for the time of the post. A guy makes a post about benching Brad Johnson a day before a game is going to be treated differently from someone creating a new account and calling for his head the same day our team loses by 3.

FedjeViking
10-16-2006, 02:31 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


Noone is changing in relation to Prophet.

This has been an issue for me for some time.
And others.

The thread rating helps maybe in what Del Rio said.
Or the Leaders doing infractions.

However, the community aspects are important.
Some younger members may not have the football chops to spew statistics.
Maybe they simply believe what they want.
Nothing is wrong with that if they can back it up, right, with an opinion?

This is the strongest community I have been to in which we can also mention other things...people feel comfortable sharing with this group.

That is important.

Prophet always posting news to trick people...that got old.
The gathered some ill-will.
Many of his other posts are great.

So did I care?
Not really.
Let him be a member and enjoy himself.
This is not about micromanaging people.
This is about guiding a community via the leadership.

My biggest issues (in no order):
1.
Thread Hijacking
2.
Unwarranted newbie bashing; warranted certainly okay
3.
No gentle ways to control and train newbies
(community feedback for getting people in line)
4.
No 5 strikes and you're out policy (or whatever)
5.
Upturn in actual football analysis but the perception is less
6.
Community strength is potential weakness (bridge those gaps)
7.
Mod actions or lack of action

I feel like I have a handle on 3 and 4 in our transition.



On 3, I have long felt that there should be a way to get newbies to actually READ the rules before they can actually join...maybe a SHORT quiz that they have to answer before they join (only a question or two, where they can get the answers from the rules section).
It's tricky, because they might figure that it isn't worth the effort...but maybe to get FULL privileges during a probationary period, they might have to answer the short quiz.
I think that if they realize how important it is to follow a few simple rules in order to make this a more enjoyable board, then we might get better cooperation on this issue.


This is on the right track Cajun. Maybe they can only answer posts during probation and not start new threads until they take a quiz on the rules of posting.

There are some really young kids on the site, and this would help them learn forum etiquette.

I've been really busy with classes, but try to read some in the evening. Why did Prophet leave? I thought I saw a post from him this morning but with no extra'a by his name (avatar etc.)

I know I had a hard time finding my little nitch here, and stay mostly to Clubhouse posts. I do read the Viking Forum, but singer does a great job at the news.
If I see something interesting I ask him first if it's been posted because I can't work the search thing here for some reason.
:)

I love the atmosphere here! We're all friends, and I like that. I recommend this site to everyone!

VikemanX84
10-16-2006, 02:43 PM
Well, I don't think I fall into the category of "site leader" anymore.
But since I'm spending some time on PP.O again, I thought I would give my opinion.
I like the idea of a new members forum and I don't know about all the technical stuff but maybe after a certain number of posts they gain access to the rest of the forums.
The only problem I see is that it might get boring for the less intellectually challenged people right off the bat and then they might not want to get to the 20 posts necessary and we end up weeding out the people we actually want to be posting the most...

Also, no one likes to be atacked for their opinion right off the bat and especially in really demeaning, insulting, and sarcastic ways. So, perhaps the leaders of site should try to make it a point to not set that precedent.
It just doesn't make it fun because then when you do have people with opinions that are worth hearing you alleinate them because you disagree with 1 or 2 points they made out of 10.
Now you've made nice guys who usually make good points and want to debate not want to come back and the only guys you have left are idiots who want to start and be in fights about a stupid opinion of theirs.

I don't really have a solution except to lead by example, point out good posts and ignore bad ones (as opposed to bashing whoever wrote them).
What I mean by this is don't mean ignore posts that you disagree with, because you should debate in those but ignore stupid comments, I think you all know what I mean.

Anyway, thats my two cents.

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 02:44 PM
Ok...whew...that took awhile to read.
I guess I saw this coming, but not the personal email from Prohpet.

Anywho, there was so much put out here; so I am sorry if I miss or do not touch on anything.
There are a lot of great ideas here by many.

As far as dealing with newbs:
I have feilded a lot of PM's and emails from members about how PP.O is becoming less fun and a little "teen".
I do not know if this is such a bad thing, or if it is a good thing.
I have noticed the % of content/quality posts decline in the past several months.
However, I attributed this to PP.O's popularity.
I mean we cannot have a site where every member is a class act, we are going to have some people get off the short school bus and sign up.
We get the people who come in a go on a post frenzy and post random stuff.
I always PM these people with a friendly welcome and PM.
90% are cool as hell and I have become great friends with these people.
Some are asshats and a more harsh attitude in needed.
They persist...members jump on them...they may learn their lesson that thier punk attitude is not flying around here.
But, I have never really agreed with people coming right out and telling a newer member it has been posted.
I will usually merge or lock and then give them a PM.
I have coached dozens and dozens through the process.
I know that there have been times where maybe I was a little too harsh, I have never claimed to be perfect.

I will try to look at some of the other opinions here.

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 02:56 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


OK, I'm just gonna throw in my 2c here and then let it drop.
For me, this site isn't "fun" any more. I almost afraid to post something in fear of getting called out.
Without mentioning any names, let me tell you of a personal experience.
Singer is the "newshound" of this site but I used to do my fair share. Sometimes I doubled up on this but always felt like a jerk when I did and apologized. In most cases it was my fault anyway.
But a couple of months ago Singer was on vacation. I started posting news articles in his absence. I got called out for it. Old rules were posted and new rules made up. (I won't go into a lot of detail here about that.) But what really peed me off was the person who posted the "rules" then went ahead and started doing exactly what I was doing and broke his rules himself.
For instance -- one of the rules was post the headline and then a couple of sentences and a link to the article. Well, this rule was broken time and time again by the person who told me what to do.
I understand rules but it seems like some people are above the rules and love to call people's attention to their little mistakes while making the same mistakes themselves.
That has caused me to pretty much stop posting althogh I still come in here two or three times a day and read stuff.
It's still the best Vikings Forum around and I've made some good friends here who I admire.
Anyway, just my two cents worth.


You can go ahead and just say "ultra" with this.
we are all adults and I can take any criticism that may be out there.

First of all, there was NOTHING wrong with you posting articles.
I had zero problems with that.
What I had a problem with was you would post an article about, lets say Brad.
Then 2 articles later there would be another Brad article pretty much about the same thing.
I PM'd you a lot and you would never reply.
You just kept on going and going.
I even sought out webby's advice on this.

I have no idea what you are referring to with "Old Rules" and "New Rules".
I never, ever told you to post the headline and then a link.
No way, now how.
That is just completely false!
You are really calling into question my character as a man here.
I do not tell somebody how to do something and then do the opposite.
I am sorry Cojo, you are a good guy and I have always enjoyed you, but you are wrong on that my friend.

Back in April and May the duplicate article and such were getting way out of hand.
So much that I made a Sticky on it in the Fan Forum called "Thinking of starting a new thread?"
I would lock and then link people to it, it was bad.
And being the total nutjob I am, I kept track of everybody's duplicates.
I have it on an Excel file.
I did it for less than 2 months.
Mainly because some members would just argue that they do check and do not post duplicate stuff.
And do you want to take a guess at which member is tied for the most?
I PM'd you over a dozen times hardly ever getting a response.

I am sorry for the rant.
Call me g-a-y, a closet Packer Fan, whatever.
But do not say I did something that I did not do!

Webby
10-16-2006, 03:05 PM
Remember folks, this is not a bitch at each other session.
This is all constructive criticism.
I am looking for constructive ways we can help lead the community.
I think there have been very good ideas and discussion.

Thanks for continuing to participate.

Crux issues:
the general mood of the site, treating newbies, treating differing opinions.

If someone truly believes that Tavaris will be good, is he wrong?
If he is posting like an asshat to get his point across, then he is wrong in my book.
If he states his reasons though, then okay.

RK.
10-16-2006, 03:14 PM
Prophet left?
???
I must have missed that thread.


I agree with Jdoggs comments.
As this site grows it is impossible to keep up with every single thread or read through pages of posts on a hot topic.
The problem with the search is the way in which people title their threads.
If you are looking for a thread about Moss and the thread is titled "My thoughts".
Well that doesn't work.
I don't read all the threads in here and its unrealistic to think that new members will look through all the postings for the last two months in order to catch up.

Also I hear people complaining about Moss and Pep threads as if all talk about them should be banned.
They are big name football players.
They are mentioned almost every day on some sports program or other.
What is the problem with talking about them..
Maybe for some of us the subject has been exhausted but remember we are getting about 6-10 new members a day that may not have discussed this before.
If you don't want to talk about it,
don't look at it.


The truth about posting forum rules is that you post them so that you can enforce them, not because you expect people to read them.
That's the truth of forums.
You can say RTFM all you want but you will be lucky if 10% do.
Its like "read the terms of service before you install this program", how many of us just click the "yes I accept box"?
I bet every single one of you reading this post.
Forums are only as good as their Mods and Admin.
You encourage people to be self policing and if that doesn't happen then you police them.
Forums are a dictatorship not a democracy.
Again they are only as good as the people that run them.
The real key is consistent enforcement by the Mods.
If one mod is hammering people and another is not that is confusing.
Or if the mods let a long time member get away with things but not a newbie that is not good either.


I think this board is really well run.
As it grows what used to be occasional problems will occur more often.
Its just sheer numbers.
As it grows we will get duplicate posts its just the nature of the beast.
That's what mods are for.
And long time members like those in this forum are basically their support group and help them out if they see problems.

In some of the really big tech forums that I belong to the mods often select some of the more active members to help them monitor the posts for content.
That may be something worth looking at if the mods are feeling overwelmed with the amount of things they have to read.
If a mod assistant finds a problem they inform the mod so they can take a look at it.

Webby
10-16-2006, 03:18 PM
"JDogg926" wrote:


First of all, I'm flattered to be considered a "leader" of purplepride.
Secondly, did anyone else get 4 copies of the same email about this.
Was this to prove the point of not wanting to read multiple copies of what are essentially the same thread???

As someone who really doesn't spend a lot of time on here, especially compared to the cajun's and del rio's of the world, I kind of would like to defend, in a way, some of the new members.
Granted we've had our fair share of idiots and people who are really easily offended when the world does not agree with them, but as far as some of the threads that get posted by new members without realizing that a month ago someone posted the exact same thing.
I personally, about 90% of the time only look at the Top 10 or the New Replies to my posts.
I know
I don't get excited about the prospect of thumbing through a 40 page thread, and although I don't create a lot of new threads, some of the new members may see these huge threads, and be intimidated or simply not have the time to read through everything before they actually share some of their thoughts and/or opinions.
Then, when a member with 15 posts starts a new thread, the first couple responses they get are from people that actually spend a few hours a day on this site, and usually telling them "Hey Buddy, thread exists already, why didn't you look it up."
That really doesn't make people feel that welcome.
What may make more sense than locking threads like this is actually have a "Newcomer's forum", where they can not only break themselves in, but if they happen to either touch on a topic that's already been discussed (which is sure to happen), or touch a nerve, it should be less of an issue.
Just a thought.


I goofed.
Sorry about that.
This forum = pain in my ass.
I will post a link to what the new one looks like for all you guys.

How about I come up with a short list of ideas for handling some of these things, and we can discuss specific points?
I will wait to make the lisst for a day or so to allow others to get their opinions in.

I think it should be noted that I value each of your inputs, and I think people know that.
I am always open to discussion about the site, and that should be clear especially to you folks that have made the investment of time and energy here.
Your opinions and needs far outweigh some flamer from another board.


I will agree, like you say, sometimes the little dupe threads pictures we find funny offend others.
Do we need to specifically worry about it in every instance?
Probably not.
I got unbelievably tired of seeing it happen though.
I am more than willing to "let it go" in general to allow each person to be their own person on here.

This, again, is being conducted because you all choose to stay here, read here, post here, signed up for one reason or another.
I always think, what attracted that person to sign up here, and are we still upholding that excellence?
I will always try to put out the best product possible for a one man developer operation.
It can't work without the support of all leaders here.....this is a wonderful place and introspection is never a bad thing.
If you don't feel comfortable saying it here, email me.
I am always open to feedback.
Its what built this site.
I haven't managed 7,000 free spirits before or a board like this....its all about making good decisions along the way and accepting criticism.
I spend all day wrangling political people and trying to get federal and state agencies to play along in the name of national security...this place is a relief to me; less BS, more fun.
I am sure others have the same feeling.

Thanks again.

triedandtruevikesfan
10-16-2006, 03:20 PM
Del... I like your idea of us taking newbies under our wings.
I think it would be nice when I new member joins, one of us claims them and sends them a nice personalized PM welcoming them to the site, giving them the guidelines and letting them know we're here for them with any questions.


It might be a little extra work on our part but maybe some of us mods can just take the time and PM the new members for that day.
Shouldn't take too long!

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 03:26 PM
"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


Del... I like your idea of us taking newbies under our wings.
I think it would be nice when I new member joins, one of us claims them and sends them a nice personalized PM welcoming them to the site, giving them the guidelines and letting them know we're here for them with any questions.


It might be a little extra work on our part but maybe some of us mods can just take the time and PM the new members for that day.
Shouldn't take too long!


Would you take ME under your wing, TNT?
;) :-* :P

triedandtruevikesfan
10-16-2006, 03:27 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


Del... I like your idea of us taking newbies under our wings.
I think it would be nice when I new member joins, one of us claims them and sends them a nice personalized PM welcoming them to the site, giving them the guidelines and letting them know we're here for them with any questions.


It might be a little extra work on our part but maybe some of us mods can just take the time and PM the new members for that day.
Shouldn't take too long!


Would you take ME under your wing, TNT?

;) :-* :P


I think this would fall under Webby's pet peeve of HIGHJACKING :P

Webby
10-16-2006, 03:30 PM
"JDogg926" wrote:


First of all, I'm flattered to be considered a "leader" of purplepride.


Hell, you have the sweetest avatar on the whole site.
That is leadership quality, my man!!

Caine
10-16-2006, 03:36 PM
I have now had to rewrite this 5 times...because these issues are big, and yet they're not.

We, as a site, are growing.
I don't personally keep track of how big or how fast, but I see a lot of new names.
As we grow, some people will not like the direction of that growth.
After all, the thing that originally brought them here may no longer be the focus, or it may have been lost altogether.
So, they leave.
Or, their interests may lie in other directions, or real life reared it's ugly head, or they finally figured out that they're stupid or whatever...

I'll give you an example.
When I first started here, there were a host of Packer Trolls who regularly visited and started fights with the Viking fan members here.
One of my first posts here was a long statistical analysis of the fact that the Packers did NOT dominate the Vikings...and my reputation began.


In short order, I hunted the site for Packer fan trolls, and beat them to a pulp whenever they reared their misinformed heads.
Heck, I even got an award for doing it (Which is hanging on my wall behind me).

One 4-12 season later, the Packer trolls are gone (Except Bono, who is more like a Packer rash).
My "Focus" for being here has changed.
That means I either adapt to the changing conditions here, or I leave.
It's really that simple.

Other members may have had a different focus.
As time goes by, they will either grow with the site, or grow apart.
We have to keep in mind that we can't please everyone all of the time.
So, for reasons unknown to me, Prophet left.
And in the last week, how many new members have signed up?
The thing to remember is that Prophet already has a history here.
It is likely that, in time, he will return.
If we alienate new members who lack that history, we will inhibit growth, and stagnation equals death.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't issues to be addressed, I'm simply trying to put this all into perspective.
We have changed, we will continue to change.
The trick is to direct that change in directions we want to grow in.

A few Highlights:

1:
Thread/Post rating system.
Nice idea, provided that abuse potential is minimized.
I don't see any reason to ever ban someone for having low ratings.
I'm of the opinion that the low ratings themselves will send a message, and people will either change or leave of their own accord.
But, post ratings CAN be used as a tool, in conjunction with other elements, to justify a ban.

2:
Thread Hijacking:
Inevitable.
As points and counter points are tossed about, it is rare that a thread stays exactly on topic after the 4th page.
The problem is more in the realm of #3 below.

3:
JACKASSING:
This is directed primarily at those posting the "Bring back" or "Bench" comments, and those who reply to them.
So you are sick of the "bring back Moss/Culpepper" threads or the "Bench Johnson" threads.
So what?
Does that mean you should shred the poster for expressing an unpopular opinion?
I express unpopular opinions from time to time, yet I don't see too many people (other than Del Rio) attempting to nail me to the wall (Although I'd welcome the attempt).
The point is, if you don't like a topic, don't post in it.
Let it die.
15 posts about why the poster is an idiot is still 15 posts in that thread.


And if the poster does it repeatedly, REPORT THEM TO A MOD.
Let the Mods do what they are here to do.

If you choose to reply - and I often do - shred the persons IDEA, not the person.
Point out WHY it's a bad idea, not how stupid they are and how their parents must be closely related.
And for pete's sake, STOP telling them to cheer for another team!!!
Nothing fans my fire faster than comments like that.
"Real Fan/True Fan" comments and the like.
The only thing that pushes my buttons faster is when some idiot starts claiming that they have "Rights".

4:
Be nice to newbies:
Remember, we were ALL newbies once.
We didn't all know the ropes.
So, a newbie shows up and posts something that's in another thread...a NICE reminder is fine, a condesending, smart alec reminder isn't.
It might be the 37th time today YOU'VE had to remind someone, but it might be HIS first.


Now, if a newbie posts a stupid idea, all bets are off.
Ideas are NOT protected in my book, and I reserve the right to destroy any idea I deem foolish, and accept the risk of having my ideas trashed in return.


As for the idea of "Controling and Training Newbies", sorry Webby, I don't think it's possible.
If this site were designed to cater to specific points of view, or specific ideologies, fine.
But it isn't.
With the wide variety of forums available, we are going to draw a wide variety of posters.
Some good and some bad.
It's part of the growth I talked about in the beginning.

5:
Mods being Mods:
If you're a Mod, you are under more pressure to "Walk the line" than a regular member.
Just a small tip, NEVER lock a thread you're involved in.
It looks too much like a "I get the last word, tough noogies" manuever than something done for the good of the community.
If you're in a dog fight, and the thread crosses the line, MAKE A PUBLIC WARNING.
State, "Hold on, we're getting close to the edge here.
Let's dial it back and continue this discussion in another fashion".


Or, if the thread needs to be locked, have ANOTHER Mod lock it and explain WHY.
Always site the specific reason a thread is being locked so people know what to avoid in the future.

Finally:
I may not have hit every problem, and some may not agree with me on every topic, but that's life.
I worked off of Webby's list, so I'm pretty sure that some people's concerns weren't addressed here.
That doesn't mean they aren't important, it just means that I ran out of time (I have to go to work in 30 minutes).


But, to recap, our "Problem" is we're growing.
Our "problem" is that it isn't the same group of posters it was a year ago.
Heck, I don't even recognize half the names anymore, and some I remember aren't here.
Oh well.


There are a couple of other issues I wanted to get to, but couldn't.
I'll look it over later and perhaps post more - and respond to any criticisms/comments I've garnered thus far.

Caine

PS:
Hey, Del, am I still alive to you now?

hawaiianvike21
10-16-2006, 03:36 PM
Surprised to see prohet leave because of some deuchbags and their opinions. If i were him, i would just ignore it and post in threads in which i think are intelligent and worthy of posting.

I just simply ignore the idiotic posts by the trolls and try not add fuel to their fire.

havent been around here since ive been busy with many things and now living on the mainland as well. will
post once in awhile.


on a side note, hope prophet comes back, reason was horrible to leave in the first place.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 03:52 PM
"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


Del... I like your idea of us taking newbies under our wings.
I think it would be nice when I new member joins, one of us claims them and sends them a nice personalized PM welcoming them to the site, giving them the guidelines and letting them know we're here for them with any questions.


It might be a little extra work on our part but maybe some of us mods can just take the time and PM the new members for that day.
Shouldn't take too long!


Would you take ME under your wing, TNT?

;) :-* :P


I think this would fall under Webby's pet peeve of HIGHJACKING :P


Not really!
I was proposing a Beta Testing between you and me of the pilot program!

It was to lighten the mood!
::)

triedandtruevikesfan
10-16-2006, 03:57 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


Del... I like your idea of us taking newbies under our wings.
I think it would be nice when I new member joins, one of us claims them and sends them a nice personalized PM welcoming them to the site, giving them the guidelines and letting them know we're here for them with any questions.


It might be a little extra work on our part but maybe some of us mods can just take the time and PM the new members for that day.
Shouldn't take too long!


Would you take ME under your wing, TNT?

;) :-* :P


I think this would fall under Webby's pet peeve of HIGHJACKING :P


Not really!
I was proposing a Beta Testing between you and me of the pilot program!

It was to lighten the mood!
::)


LOL... I know this Caj... no worries ;)

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 04:03 PM
"Caine" wrote:


I have now had to rewrite this 5 times...because these issues are big, and yet they're not.

We, as a site, are growing.
I don't personally keep track of how big or how fast, but I see a lot of new names.
As we grow, some people will not like the direction of that growth.
After all, the thing that originally brought them here may no longer be the focus, or it may have been lost altogether.
So, they leave.
Or, their interests may lie in other directions, or real life reared it's ugly head, or they finally figured out that they're stupid or whatever...

I'll give you an example.
When I first started here, there were a host of Packer Trolls who regularly visited and started fights with the Viking fan members here.
One of my first posts here was a long statistical analysis of the fact that the Packers did NOT dominate the Vikings...and my reputation began.


In short order, I hunted the site for Packer fan trolls, and beat them to a pulp whenever they reared their misinformed heads.
Heck, I even got an award for doing it (Which is hanging on my wall behind me).

One 4-12 season later, the Packer trolls are gone (Except Bono, who is more like a Packer rash).
My "Focus" for being here has changed.
That means I either adapt to the changing conditions here, or I leave.
It's really that simple.

Other members may have had a different focus.
As time goes by, they will either grow with the site, or grow apart.
We have to keep in mind that we can't please everyone all of the time.
So, for reasons unknown to me, Prophet left.
And in the last week, how many new members have signed up?
The thing to remember is that Prophet already has a history here.
It is likely that, in time, he will return.
If we alienate new members who lack that history, we will inhibit growth, and stagnation equals death.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't issues to be addressed, I'm simply trying to put this all into perspective.
We have changed, we will continue to change.
The trick is to direct that change in directions we want to grow in.

A few Highlights:

1:
Thread/Post rating system.
Nice idea, provided that abuse potential is minimized.
I don't see any reason to ever ban someone for having low ratings.
I'm of the opinion that the low ratings themselves will send a message, and people will either change or leave of their own accord.
But, post ratings CAN be used as a tool, in conjunction with other elements, to justify a ban.

2:
Thread Hijacking:
Inevitable.
As points and counter points are tossed about, it is rare that a thread stays exactly on topic after the 4th page.
The problem is more in the realm of #3 below.

3:
JACKASSING:
This is directed primarily at those posting the "Bring back" or "Bench" comments, and those who reply to them.
So you are sick of the "bring back Moss/Culpepper" threads or the "Bench Johnson" threads.
So what?
Does that mean you should shred the poster for expressing an unpopular opinion?
I express unpopular opinions from time to time, yet I don't see too many people (other than Del Rio) attempting to nail me to the wall (Although I'd welcome the attempt).
The point is, if you don't like a topic, don't post in it.
Let it die.
15 posts about why the poster is an idiot is still 15 posts in that thread.


And if the poster does it repeatedly, REPORT THEM TO A MOD.
Let the Mods do what they are here to do.

If you choose to reply - and I often do - shred the persons IDEA, not the person.
Point out WHY it's a bad idea, not how stupid they are and how their parents must be closely related.
And for pete's sake, STOP telling them to cheer for another team!!!
Nothing fans my fire faster than comments like that.
"Real Fan/True Fan" comments and the like.
The only thing that pushes my buttons faster is when some idiot starts claiming that they have "Rights".

4:
Be nice to newbies:
Remember, we were ALL newbies once.
We didn't all know the ropes.
So, a newbie shows up and posts something that's in another thread...a NICE reminder is fine, a condesending, smart alec reminder isn't.
It might be the 37th time today YOU'VE had to remind someone, but it might be HIS first.


Now, if a newbie posts a stupid idea, all bets are off.
Ideas are NOT protected in my book, and I reserve the right to destroy any idea I deem foolish, and accept the risk of having my ideas trashed in return.


As for the idea of "Controling and Training Newbies", sorry Webby, I don't think it's possible.
If this site were designed to cater to specific points of view, or specific ideologies, fine.
But it isn't.
With the wide variety of forums available, we are going to draw a wide variety of posters.
Some good and some bad.
It's part of the growth I talked about in the beginning.

5:
Mods being Mods:
If you're a Mod, you are under more pressure to "Walk the line" than a regular member.
Just a small tip, NEVER lock a thread you're involved in.
It looks too much like a "I get the last word, tough noogies" manuever than something done for the good of the community.
If you're in a dog fight, and the thread crosses the line, MAKE A PUBLIC WARNING.
State, "Hold on, we're getting close to the edge here.
Let's dial it back and continue this discussion in another fashion".


Or, if the thread needs to be locked, have ANOTHER Mod lock it and explain WHY.
Always site the specific reason a thread is being locked so people know what to avoid in the future.

Finally:
I may not have hit every problem, and some may not agree with me on every topic, but that's life.
I worked off of Webby's list, so I'm pretty sure that some people's concerns weren't addressed here.
That doesn't mean they aren't important, it just means that I ran out of time (I have to go to work in 30 minutes).


But, to recap, our "Problem" is we're growing.
Our "problem" is that it isn't the same group of posters it was a year ago.
Heck, I don't even recognize half the names anymore, and some I remember aren't here.
Oh well.


There are a couple of other issues I wanted to get to, but couldn't.
I'll look it over later and perhaps post more - and respond to any criticisms/comments I've garnered thus far.

Caine

PS:
Hey, Del, am I still alive to you now?


Barely.

I will say this I don't think I have ever seen a mod lock a thread that they were actively involved in.

Your not dead to me, but you almost were.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 04:17 PM
"Caine" wrote:


I have now had to rewrite this 5 times...because these issues are big, and yet they're not.

We, as a site, are growing.
I don't personally keep track of how big or how fast, but I see a lot of new names.
As we grow, some people will not like the direction of that growth.
After all, the thing that originally brought them here may no longer be the focus, or it may have been lost altogether.
So, they leave.
Or, their interests may lie in other directions, or real life reared it's ugly head, or they finally figured out that they're stupid or whatever...

I'll give you an example.
When I first started here, there were a host of Packer Trolls who regularly visited and started fights with the Viking fan members here.
One of my first posts here was a long statistical analysis of the fact that the Packers did NOT dominate the Vikings...and my reputation began.


In short order, I hunted the site for Packer fan trolls, and beat them to a pulp whenever they reared their misinformed heads.
Heck, I even got an award for doing it (Which is hanging on my wall behind me).

One 4-12 season later, the Packer trolls are gone (Except Bono, who is more like a Packer rash).
My "Focus" for being here has changed.
That means I either adapt to the changing conditions here, or I leave.
It's really that simple.

Other members may have had a different focus.
As time goes by, they will either grow with the site, or grow apart.
We have to keep in mind that we can't please everyone all of the time.
So, for reasons unknown to me, Prophet left.
And in the last week, how many new members have signed up?
The thing to remember is that Prophet already has a history here.
It is likely that, in time, he will return.
If we alienate new members who lack that history, we will inhibit growth, and stagnation equals death.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't issues to be addressed, I'm simply trying to put this all into perspective.
We have changed, we will continue to change.
The trick is to direct that change in directions we want to grow in.

A few Highlights:

1:
Thread/Post rating system.
Nice idea, provided that abuse potential is minimized.
I don't see any reason to ever ban someone for having low ratings.
I'm of the opinion that the low ratings themselves will send a message, and people will either change or leave of their own accord.
But, post ratings CAN be used as a tool, in conjunction with other elements, to justify a ban.

2:
Thread Hijacking:
Inevitable.
As points and counter points are tossed about, it is rare that a thread stays exactly on topic after the 4th page.
The problem is more in the realm of #3 below.

3:
JACKASSING:
This is directed primarily at those posting the "Bring back" or "Bench" comments, and those who reply to them.
So you are sick of the "bring back Moss/Culpepper" threads or the "Bench Johnson" threads.
So what?
Does that mean you should shred the poster for expressing an unpopular opinion?
I express unpopular opinions from time to time, yet I don't see too many people (other than Del Rio) attempting to nail me to the wall (Although I'd welcome the attempt).
The point is, if you don't like a topic, don't post in it.
Let it die.
15 posts about why the poster is an idiot is still 15 posts in that thread.


And if the poster does it repeatedly, REPORT THEM TO A MOD.
Let the Mods do what they are here to do.

If you choose to reply - and I often do - shred the persons IDEA, not the person.
Point out WHY it's a bad idea, not how stupid they are and how their parents must be closely related.
And for pete's sake, STOP telling them to cheer for another team!!!
Nothing fans my fire faster than comments like that.
"Real Fan/True Fan" comments and the like.
The only thing that pushes my buttons faster is when some idiot starts claiming that they have "Rights".

4:
Be nice to newbies:
Remember, we were ALL newbies once.
We didn't all know the ropes.
So, a newbie shows up and posts something that's in another thread...a NICE reminder is fine, a condesending, smart alec reminder isn't.
It might be the 37th time today YOU'VE had to remind someone, but it might be HIS first.


Now, if a newbie posts a stupid idea, all bets are off.
Ideas are NOT protected in my book, and I reserve the right to destroy any idea I deem foolish, and accept the risk of having my ideas trashed in return.


As for the idea of "Controling and Training Newbies", sorry Webby, I don't think it's possible.
If this site were designed to cater to specific points of view, or specific ideologies, fine.
But it isn't.
With the wide variety of forums available, we are going to draw a wide variety of posters.
Some good and some bad.
It's part of the growth I talked about in the beginning.

5:
Mods being Mods:
If you're a Mod, you are under more pressure to "Walk the line" than a regular member.
Just a small tip, NEVER lock a thread you're involved in.
It looks too much like a "I get the last word, tough noogies" manuever than something done for the good of the community.
If you're in a dog fight, and the thread crosses the line, MAKE A PUBLIC WARNING.
State, "Hold on, we're getting close to the edge here.
Let's dial it back and continue this discussion in another fashion".


Or, if the thread needs to be locked, have ANOTHER Mod lock it and explain WHY.
Always site the specific reason a thread is being locked so people know what to avoid in the future.

Finally:
I may not have hit every problem, and some may not agree with me on every topic, but that's life.
I worked off of Webby's list, so I'm pretty sure that some people's concerns weren't addressed here.
That doesn't mean they aren't important, it just means that I ran out of time (I have to go to work in 30 minutes).


But, to recap, our "Problem" is we're growing.
Our "problem" is that it isn't the same group of posters it was a year ago.
Heck, I don't even recognize half the names anymore, and some I remember aren't here.
Oh well.


There are a couple of other issues I wanted to get to, but couldn't.
I'll look it over later and perhaps post more - and respond to any criticisms/comments I've garnered thus far.

Caine

PS:
Hey, Del, am I still alive to you now?


"I express unpopular opinions from time to time, yet I don't see too many people (other than Del Rio) attempting to nail me to the wall (Although I'd welcome the attempt)."

BECAUSE it's too much like WORK to succeed at it!!!!!
:D

VikesfaninWis
10-16-2006, 04:22 PM
"Webby" wrote:


I am starting an open discussion here for those of us in the HOF ranks and above.

We in this group are considered amongst the site leaders.

We are the ones who welcome people to this place, slap around stupid posts, and generally shape the perception of this site.

There has been a big groundswell of differing opinions on how things go around this site.

I hear a tremendous amount each day from differing members.

What I want is some open and frank discussion on how we see things going and any suggestions for change, if any is needed.

Or do we need to harden the line?

Perhaps we just need to ignore the "movement", I don't know.

The SI coverage seems to have resulted in a influx of freaks who can't sustain an argument if it meant getting laid.

So, tell me a bit about any thoughts y'all may have.

I seem to do this once a year to get my bearings a bit as I try to make this site appealing as much as I can to the majority, because thats how we got all the great members like y'all.

I can say we are getting new forums to combat some of these issues...but will talk about that later.

Also, this is being debated in the mods area, but this also needs to be turned out to you guys for opinions.

Thanks!





Webby, I honestly don't have a clue what my status is here at PP.O.. On the old site, I was a bronze supporter or something like that, and here, I am back to being a Team Alumini member.. I also think in the past that my words were taken for things that they didn't mean.. I do realize that some members have been here longer then others, but I feel that their is a sense of favortism on this site..

Their are other Viking fan sites on the net, but I chose to come here, hang out with the great PP.O faithful, and offer my opinions when asked.. I really enjoy coming here, but I think my post count has gone down a bit since the end of last football season.. It just seems like every day that someone has to jump on another member for something that really isn't necessary.. I know their will never be another of the Del Rio's, Ultra's, Cajun's or Singer's of this site, but I think every member should be given that opportunity.. In past circumstances, I have been pm'd by other members saying that I had a legitimate claim on the subject that was being talked about, but on the actual board, I was being mistaken by other members..

This is just me voicing my opinions on this matter.. I honestly hope that nobody is offended by my post, and as you can see, I didn't mention any names.. I just think that until proven otherwise, whether a member has 5 posts, or 25,000 posts, they should be treated the same..

triedandtruevikesfan
10-16-2006, 04:27 PM
I think thats the point of this Vikesfan... I think we all need to do a better job at making everyone feel welcomed here and not discluded because they haven't been here for years like some of us.
We're a work in progress ;)

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 04:29 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


I am starting an open discussion here for those of us in the HOF ranks and above.

We in this group are considered amongst the site leaders.

We are the ones who welcome people to this place, slap around stupid posts, and generally shape the perception of this site.

There has been a big groundswell of differing opinions on how things go around this site.

I hear a tremendous amount each day from differing members.

What I want is some open and frank discussion on how we see things going and any suggestions for change, if any is needed.

Or do we need to harden the line?

Perhaps we just need to ignore the "movement", I don't know.

The SI coverage seems to have resulted in a influx of freaks who can't sustain an argument if it meant getting laid.

So, tell me a bit about any thoughts y'all may have.

I seem to do this once a year to get my bearings a bit as I try to make this site appealing as much as I can to the majority, because thats how we got all the great members like y'all.

I can say we are getting new forums to combat some of these issues...but will talk about that later.

Also, this is being debated in the mods area, but this also needs to be turned out to you guys for opinions.

Thanks!





Webby, I honestly don't have a clue what my status is here at PP.O.. On the old site, I was a bronze supporter or something like that, and here, I am back to being a Team Alumini member.. I also think in the past that my words were taken for things that they didn't mean.. I do realize that some members have been here longer then others, but I feel that their is a sense of favortism on this site..

Their are other Viking fan sites on the net, but I chose to come here, hang out with the great PP.O faithful, and offer my opinions when asked.. I really enjoy coming here, but I think my post count has gone down a bit since the end of last football season.. It just seems like every day that someone has to jump on another member for something that really isn't necessary.. I know their will never be another of the Del Rio's, Ultra's, Cajun's or Singer's of this site, but I think every member should be given that opportunity.. In past circumstances, I have been pm'd by other members saying that I had a legitimate claim on the subject that was being talked about, but on the actual board, I was being mistaken by other members..

This is just me voicing my opinions on this matter.. I honestly hope that nobody is offended by my post, and as you can see, I didn't mention any names.. I just think that until proven otherwise, whether a member has 5 posts, or 25,000 posts, they should be treated the same..


Your supporter button is back.
When we switched to the new format all of that did not transfer.
So, I made a thread asking that if people had titles and buttons to let me know and I would fix them.

Zeus
10-16-2006, 04:37 PM
"Ltrey33" wrote:


"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


I think your right... we need to crack down a little more.
When the idiots drive off one of our most respected members its time we do something.
I can't believe that prophet left!!



I agree, it's a shame. I say we let the HOF forum be our refuge!


Moving the "serious" discussion to a HOF forum would be the first step in the downfall of PP.O, IMHO.

=Z=

triedandtruevikesfan
10-16-2006, 04:41 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Ltrey33" wrote:


"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


I think your right... we need to crack down a little more.
When the idiots drive off one of our most respected members its time we do something.
I can't believe that prophet left!!



I agree, it's a shame. I say we let the HOF forum be our refuge!


Moving the "serious" discussion to a HOF forum would be the first step in the downfall of PP.O, IMHO.

=Z=


Agreed, but this topic wouldn't have been as constructive if we let everyone and their mama post about this.
I think the HOF forum is more so for the stats that Webby gives to us as a priviledge for our status, as well as some other fun threads.
It is in no way meant to cut us off from the rest of the board though.

2beersTommy
10-16-2006, 04:45 PM
"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Ltrey33" wrote:


"triedandtruevikesfan" wrote:


I think your right... we need to crack down a little more.
When the idiots drive off one of our most respected members its time we do something.
I can't believe that prophet left!!



I agree, it's a shame. I say we let the HOF forum be our refuge!


Moving the "serious" discussion to a HOF forum would be the first step in the downfall of PP.O, IMHO.

=Z=


Agreed, but this topic wouldn't have been as constructive if we let everyone and their mama post about this.
I think the HOF forum is more so for the stats that Webby gives to us as a priviledge for our status, as well as some other fun threads.
It is in no way meant to cut us off from the rest of the board though.


but others would perceive it as that.

Zeus
10-16-2006, 04:46 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ


That pisses me off too.

I wanted to ban all self congratulatory threads and that BS....but felt it might be a part of the community people liked, warm fuzzies and all.

That is what the clubhouse is for though.
Different strokes.
But I get bored seeing it in the top ten, thats for sure.
Maybe I make that the football talk only?


Then the extraneous talk will end up in the football forum.

Honestly, this forum is doing just A-OK versus a lot of the other cesspools of the internet.
I've been a member of true unmoderated Usenet forums since the early 90s and this is a billion times better than what rec.autos.sport.nascar (for example) turned into about 1998.
Spam hell, "JEFF GORDON'S A FAG!" posts (and huge flame-war debates) about it and on and on and on.


I'm a member of one newsgroup (hosted on a private server) where we have people who've been members of the community for YEARS who up and leave in a huff after a time.
And then come back.
And leave.
And come back.

It sucks that Prophet couldn't deal with whatever any more, but that's how it goes sometimes. (sorry - true train of thought lost due to 2-year-old jumping in my lap - I'll be back to this thread later.)

=Z=

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 04:47 PM
Well how many HOFers do we have and how many have posted? Not very many, either they haven't seen it or they don't give a shit.

What is this talk about there will never be another Del Rio or Cajun or whatever, where do those people come from? We weren't born with the site. People come on here all the time and slide right into the mainstream.

2beersTommy
10-16-2006, 04:55 PM
"Del" wrote:


Well how many HOFers do we have and how many have posted? Not very many, either they haven't seen it or they don't give a pooh.
What is this talk about there will never be another Del Rio or Cajun or whatever, where do those people come from? We weren't born with the site. People come on here all the time and slide right into the mainstream.




I care..where else can I go for my daily dose of entertainment ?
;D

VikesfaninWis
10-16-2006, 05:00 PM
"Del" wrote:


Well how many HOFers do we have and how many have posted? Not very many, either they haven't seen it or they don't give a pooh.

What is this talk about there will never be another Del Rio or Cajun or whatever, where do those people come from? We weren't born with the site. People come on here all the time and slide right into the mainstream.





I said it Del.. I meant that you're status on this site will never be matched.. Sure, some may end up passing you guys in posts someday, but they will never take away from you're status here.. Members like Cajun, Singers, Ned, Ultra, and yourself have a piece on this site forever.. It wasn't meant as a slap in the face, it should have been taken as a compliment..

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 05:05 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Well how many HOFers do we have and how many have posted? Not very many, either they haven't seen it or they don't give a pooh.

What is this talk about there will never be another Del Rio or Cajun or whatever, where do those people come from? We weren't born with the site. People come on here all the time and slide right into the mainstream.





I said it Del.. I meant that you're status on this site will never be matched.. Sure, some may end up passing you guys in posts someday, but they will never take away from you're status here.. Members like Cajun, Singers, Ned, Ultra, and yourself have a piece on this site forever.. It wasn't meant as a slap in the face, it should have been taken as a compliment..






No I didnt take it like that. What I am saying is there will always be people making a name for themselves. I was here before singer and Ned, and others and people are making names for themselves all the time.

I need to step back and punch myself in the face for saying make a name for themselves on the INTERNET.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 05:07 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


I am starting an open discussion here for those of us in the HOF ranks and above.

We in this group are considered amongst the site leaders.

We are the ones who welcome people to this place, slap around stupid posts, and generally shape the perception of this site.

There has been a big groundswell of differing opinions on how things go around this site.

I hear a tremendous amount each day from differing members.

What I want is some open and frank discussion on how we see things going and any suggestions for change, if any is needed.

Or do we need to harden the line?

Perhaps we just need to ignore the "movement", I don't know.

The SI coverage seems to have resulted in a influx of freaks who can't sustain an argument if it meant getting laid.

So, tell me a bit about any thoughts y'all may have.

I seem to do this once a year to get my bearings a bit as I try to make this site appealing as much as I can to the majority, because thats how we got all the great members like y'all.

I can say we are getting new forums to combat some of these issues...but will talk about that later.

Also, this is being debated in the mods area, but this also needs to be turned out to you guys for opinions.

Thanks!





Webby, I honestly don't have a clue what my status is here at PP.O.. On the old site, I was a bronze supporter or something like that, and here, I am back to being a Team Alumini member.. I also think in the past that my words were taken for things that they didn't mean.. I do realize that some members have been here longer then others, but I feel that their is a sense of favortism on this site..

Their are other Viking fan sites on the net, but I chose to come here, hang out with the great PP.O faithful, and offer my opinions when asked.. I really enjoy coming here, but I think my post count has gone down a bit since the end of last football season.. It just seems like every day that someone has to jump on another member for something that really isn't necessary.. I know their will never be another of the Del Rio's, Ultra's, Cajun's or Singer's of this site, but I think every member should be given that opportunity.. In past circumstances, I have been pm'd by other members saying that I had a legitimate claim on the subject that was being talked about, but on the actual board, I was being mistaken by other members..

This is just me voicing my opinions on this matter.. I honestly hope that nobody is offended by my post, and as you can see, I didn't mention any names.. I just think that until proven otherwise, whether a member has 5 posts, or 25,000 posts, they should be treated the same..

AGREED!

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 05:08 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


I am starting an open discussion here for those of us in the HOF ranks and above.

We in this group are considered amongst the site leaders.
We are the ones who welcome people to this place, slap around stupid posts, and generally shape the perception of this site.

There has been a big groundswell of differing opinions on how things go around this site.
I hear a tremendous amount each day from differing members.

What I want is some open and frank discussion on how we see things going and any suggestions for change, if any is needed.
Or do we need to harden the line?
Perhaps we just need to ignore the "movement", I don't know.
The SI coverage seems to have resulted in a influx of freaks who can't sustain an argument if it meant getting laid.

So, tell me a bit about any thoughts y'all may have.
I seem to do this once a year to get my bearings a bit as I try to make this site appealing as much as I can to the majority, because thats how we got all the great members like y'all.

I can say we are getting new forums to combat some of these issues...but will talk about that later.
Also, this is being debated in the mods area, but this also needs to be turned out to you guys for opinions.

Thanks!





Webby, I honestly don't have a clue what my status is here at PP.O.. On the old site, I was a bronze supporter or something like that, and here, I am back to being a Team Alumini member.. I also think in the past that my words were taken for things that they didn't mean.. I do realize that some members have been here longer then others, but I feel that their is a sense of favortism on this site..

Their are other Viking fan sites on the net, but I chose to come here, hang out with the great PP.O faithful, and offer my opinions when asked.. I really enjoy coming here, but I think my post count has gone down a bit since the end of last football season.. It just seems like every day that someone has to jump on another member for something that really isn't necessary.. I know their will never be another of the Del Rio's, Ultra's, Cajun's or Singer's of this site, but I think every member should be given that opportunity.. In past circumstances, I have been pm'd by other members saying that I had a legitimate claim on the subject that was being talked about, but on the actual board, I was being mistaken by other members..

This is just me voicing my opinions on this matter.. I honestly hope that nobody is offended by my post, and as you can see, I didn't mention any names.. I just think that until proven otherwise, whether a member has 5 posts, or 25,000 posts, they should be treated the same..

AGREED!


Well I'm covered I treat everyone like shit. So next......

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 05:11 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ


That pisses me off too.

I wanted to ban all self congratulatory threads and that BS....but felt it might be a part of the community people liked, warm fuzzies and all.

That is what the clubhouse is for though.
Different strokes.
But I get bored seeing it in the top ten, thats for sure.
Maybe I make that the football talk only?


Then the extraneous talk will end up in the football forum.

Honestly, this forum is doing just A-OK versus a lot of the other cesspools of the internet.
I've been a member of true unmoderated Usenet forums since the early 90s and this is a billion times better than what rec.autos.sport.nascar (for example) turned into about 1998.
Spam hell, "JEFF GORDON'S A FAG!" posts (and huge flame-war debates) about it and on and on and on.


I'm a member of one newsgroup (hosted on a private server) where we have people who've been members of the community for YEARS who up and leave in a huff after a time.
And then come back.
And leave.
And come back.

It sucks that Prophet couldn't deal with whatever any more, but that's how it goes sometimes. (sorry - true train of thought lost due to 2-year-old jumping in my lap - I'll be back to this thread later.)

=Z=


I saw the same thing happen to Jim Rome's Message Board...I wasn't a member but I lurked on it due to the fact that a good friend was a big poster on the site.
I watched it turn into one of the aforementioned cesspools...and IT WAS UGLY!!!

THIS site is FAR from that point and its members are too classy to ever let it end up that way!

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 05:17 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Well how many HOFers do we have and how many have posted? Not very many, either they haven't seen it or they don't give a pooh.

What is this talk about there will never be another Del Rio or Cajun or whatever, where do those people come from? We weren't born with the site. People come on here all the time and slide right into the mainstream.







I said it Del.. I meant that you're status on this site will never be matched.. Sure, some may end up passing you guys in posts someday, but they will never take away from you're status here.. Members like Cajun, Singers, Ned, Ultra, and yourself have a piece on this site forever.. It wasn't meant as a slap in the face, it should have been taken as a compliment..






Compliment taken...but what I think that Del is saying is "Don't put us on too high of a pedestal...lest new posters come here and think that they will NEVER fit in here".

Trust me, dude...there are MANY fairly new posters that have inserted themselves into the mainstream...and several of those are posters that don't even post that much.
It is ALL ABOUT THE CONTENT...a new poster here can EASILY make his or her mark in 20 well-thought-out posts...and those are EXACTLY the ones that we want to attract.
The bar doesn't have to be set that high...and us vets would GLADLY relinquish some of the load of carrying the board on a daily basis to new blood with fresh but well-formed takes on all things Viking.
I, for one, want to see this board grow even more...until we are (without a doubt) the "Super Bowl champions" of the sports fan website universe!!!
And we need ALL of our diverse membership to attain that lofty goal...one post at a time!!!

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 05:19 PM
"Del" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


I am starting an open discussion here for those of us in the HOF ranks and above.

We in this group are considered amongst the site leaders.

We are the ones who welcome people to this place, slap around stupid posts, and generally shape the perception of this site.

There has been a big groundswell of differing opinions on how things go around this site.

I hear a tremendous amount each day from differing members.

What I want is some open and frank discussion on how we see things going and any suggestions for change, if any is needed.

Or do we need to harden the line?

Perhaps we just need to ignore the "movement", I don't know.

The SI coverage seems to have resulted in a influx of freaks who can't sustain an argument if it meant getting laid.

So, tell me a bit about any thoughts y'all may have.

I seem to do this once a year to get my bearings a bit as I try to make this site appealing as much as I can to the majority, because thats how we got all the great members like y'all.

I can say we are getting new forums to combat some of these issues...but will talk about that later.

Also, this is being debated in the mods area, but this also needs to be turned out to you guys for opinions.

Thanks!





Webby, I honestly don't have a clue what my status is here at PP.O.. On the old site, I was a bronze supporter or something like that, and here, I am back to being a Team Alumini member.. I also think in the past that my words were taken for things that they didn't mean.. I do realize that some members have been here longer then others, but I feel that their is a sense of favortism on this site..

Their are other Viking fan sites on the net, but I chose to come here, hang out with the great PP.O faithful, and offer my opinions when asked.. I really enjoy coming here, but I think my post count has gone down a bit since the end of last football season.. It just seems like every day that someone has to jump on another member for something that really isn't necessary.. I know their will never be another of the Del Rio's, Ultra's, Cajun's or Singer's of this site, but I think every member should be given that opportunity.. In past circumstances, I have been pm'd by other members saying that I had a legitimate claim on the subject that was being talked about, but on the actual board, I was being mistaken by other members..

This is just me voicing my opinions on this matter.. I honestly hope that nobody is offended by my post, and as you can see, I didn't mention any names.. I just think that until proven otherwise, whether a member has 5 posts, or 25,000 posts, they should be treated the same..

AGREED!


Well I'm covered I treat everyone like pooh. So next......


Yeah...I agree...you're covered in pooh all right!
:D

Signed,
The Shy Guy
;D

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 05:20 PM
Your so lucky you bastard. I was about to quote your inability to use the quote function on the board and blast you like you were a new person.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 05:22 PM
"Del" wrote:


Your so lucky you bastard. I was about to quote your inability to use the quote function on the board and blast you like you were a new person.


Hee hee hee!

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 05:23 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ


That pisses me off too.

I wanted to ban all self congratulatory threads and that BS....but felt it might be a part of the community people liked, warm fuzzies and all.

That is what the clubhouse is for though.
Different strokes.
But I get bored seeing it in the top ten, thats for sure.
Maybe I make that the football talk only?


Then the extraneous talk will end up in the football forum.

Honestly, this forum is doing just A-OK versus a lot of the other cesspools of the internet.
I've been a member of true unmoderated Usenet forums since the early 90s and this is a billion times better than what rec.autos.sport.nascar (for example) turned into about 1998.
Spam hell, "JEFF GORDON'S A FAG!" posts (and huge flame-war debates) about it and on and on and on.


I'm a member of one newsgroup (hosted on a private server) where we have people who've been members of the community for YEARS who up and leave in a huff after a time.
And then come back.
And leave.
And come back.

It sucks that Prophet couldn't deal with whatever any more, but that's how it goes sometimes. (sorry - true train of thought lost due to 2-year-old jumping in my lap - I'll be back to this thread later.)

=Z=


I saw the same thing happen to Jim Rome's Message Board...I wasn't a member but I lurked on it due to the fact that a good friend was a big poster on the site.
I watched it turn into one of the aforementioned cesspools...and IT WAS UGLY!!!

THIS site is FAR from that point and its members are too classy to ever let it end up that way!


I agree.

I belong to other forums for photography, digital editing and such.
Hell, one site has 100 members.
I searched all over for the answer to a question...all over.
Som I started a thread to ask for help.
Hell, 90% of the threads were members asking for advice and help.
Man, I was jumped all over about "how many times do we have to answer this".
It was not fun at all.

I have lurked other Viking sites and let me tell you, this site is very tame compared to others.
They pound the hell out of new members...big time!
I mean flat out call people "dumb fukkers" and worse (sorry for the censor evading).

I have always been so proud to be a member and more proud to be trusted with the operation of this site.

NodakPaul
10-16-2006, 05:33 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:

I belong to other forums for photography, digital editing and such.
Hell, one site has 100 members.
I searched all over for the answer to a question...all over.
Som I started a thread to ask for help.
Hell, 90% of the threads were members asking for advice and help.
Man, I was jumped all over about "how many times do we have to answer this".
It was not fun at all.

I hate when I see that on any forum.
Sometimes people forget that not everyone has been involved in the forumor thread as long as they have...

There was a point a whlie ago that some members of PP.O were pretty vicious about newbies starting new threads when the topic was already being discussed, but I think we have tamed down a LOT.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 05:43 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:

I belong to other forums for photography, digital editing and such.
Hell, one site has 100 members.
I searched all over for the answer to a question...all over.
Som I started a thread to ask for help.
Hell, 90% of the threads were members asking for advice and help.
Man, I was jumped all over about "how many times do we have to answer this".
It was not fun at all.

I hate when I see that on any forum.
Sometimes people forget that not everyone has been involved in the forumor thread as long as they have...

There was a point a whlie ago that some members of PP.O were pretty vicious about newbies starting new threads when the topic was already being discussed, but I think we have tamed down a LOT.


The ONLY time that a member should be slammed for a duplicate thread is if the same exact article is posted on the same day...it is WAY TOO EASY to search the day's posts to see if a new article has already been posted...and that happens alot sometimes!
It just shows that someone is being extremely lazy about looking.

Posting new threads on recurring topics is understandable IMHO...sometimes you have a new take on an old topic...and it can be justifiable to start a new thread to discuss it.
Nor do I have a problem with NEWBIES asking about Moss or Pep...it gives us vets a chance to educate them as to how the board operates...as long as it is done gently of course!

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 05:46 PM
We need a good political thread to get the forums settled down.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 06:01 PM
"Del" wrote:


We need a good political thread to get the forums settled down.



YEAH!!!!!

mnjamie
10-16-2006, 06:02 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


We need a good political thread to get the forums settled down.



YEAH!!!!!


I just voted on my absentee ballot yesterday ... Republicans are now officially over here in FL !!!!!


;D
(i kid, i kid ... but seriously, they are DONE !!!)


We should be allowed Political threads in the HOF area .... Any thoughts??

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 06:07 PM
"mnjamie" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


We need a good political thread to get the forums settled down.



YEAH!!!!!


I just voted on my absentee ballot yesterday ... Republicans are now officially over here in FL !!!!!



;D

(i kid, i kid ... but seriously, they are DONE !!!)


We should be allowed Political threads in the HOF area .... Any thoughts??


YEAH!!!!

Webby
10-16-2006, 06:08 PM
On the new forums, see today's posts and searches are way more intuitive too, i think, plus in any thread you can hyper jump to the newest post, etc....
you can filter a thread...tools.

that could be a help too??


only if they care to use it too I guess.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 06:09 PM
"Webby" wrote:


On the new forums, see today's posts and searches are way more intuitive too, i think, plus in any thread you can hyper jump to the newest post, etc....
you can filter a thread...tools.

that could be a help too??


only if they care to use it too I guess.


I still can't see the new forum stuff, Webby.

VikesfaninWis
10-16-2006, 06:43 PM
"Del" wrote:


"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Well how many HOFers do we have and how many have posted? Not very many, either they haven't seen it or they don't give a pooh.

What is this talk about there will never be another Del Rio or Cajun or whatever, where do those people come from? We weren't born with the site. People come on here all the time and slide right into the mainstream.





I said it Del.. I meant that you're status on this site will never be matched.. Sure, some may end up passing you guys in posts someday, but they will never take away from you're status here.. Members like Cajun, Singers, Ned, Ultra, and yourself have a piece on this site forever.. It wasn't meant as a slap in the face, it should have been taken as a compliment..






No I didnt take it like that. What I am saying is there will always be people making a name for themselves. I was here before singer and Ned, and others and people are making names for themselves all the time.

I need to step back and punch myself in the face for saying make a name for themselves on the INTERNET.




Cool... The last thing I would want is to step on the toes of the members that make this site what it is.. I see alot of members making a name for themselves everyday, but I believe that it goes unseen more times then not.. I respect all of you guys and girls that make this a great site, I just think that there is alot of favortism here, and that is not right.. Webby has the right to do whatever he wants with this site, afterall, he is the one that started it, and keeps it going..

I don't want to call anyone out on this, but here is an example.. A while ago, there was a discussion on titles under your screen name.. When I was asking about them, it was mistaken that I was asking for one.. Then I was told that the only way you get one is if you stand out, but if you ask for one, it will take you forever to get one.. I have seen members on here that have been a member forever, however have very little post counts but have a special title.. Now my question is, how do they stand out? If they are never posting, how do they make a name for themselves? They don't, that is where I believe favortism plays a role.. Please don't think I am the only one that thinks this, because I have had several discussions with other members on this subject that think the same thing as I do..

All I am saying is that it would be nice for everyone to be treated the same regardless of how many posts you have.. If a newbie comes on here and acts like a dipshit, then I don't want to hear from them again, but if a newbie comes here and has good input and presents himself good, then I will treat him or her like I would say a Cajun, or Webby.. I realize that I will probably get scolded for this post, but I am just laying my thought out there.. Again, sorry if I offended anyone..

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 06:44 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


The ONLY time that a member should be slammed for a duplicate thread is if the same exact article is posted on the same day...it is WAY TOO EASY to search the day's posts to see if a new article has already been posted...and that happens alot sometimes!
It just shows that someone is being extremely lazy about looking.

Posting new threads on recurring topics is understandable IMHO...sometimes you have a new take on an old topic...and it can be justifiable to start a new thread to discuss it.
Nor do I have a problem with NEWBIES asking about Moss or Pep...it gives us vets a chance to educate them as to how the board operates...as long as it is done gently of course!


You bring up an interesting observation my weathered friend.

Yes, posting on recurring topics is understandable and most of the time left alone.

Here is what I have seen, not a lot, but have seen and 99% of the time it is from a member that rarely comes to the site.
They rush in and post an article like, "Brads wants more money" and then they leave.
Now, about 3 threads below theirs is a thread titled "Brad not happy about pay".
Is it too much to ask for someone to look?
I see this so much!
Ask webby, I have told him that bugs the piss out of me.
I can it and "post and run."
Its lazy and disresprectful.

Another thing that I have made a huge push for is that the title of the thread reflects what the thread is about.
Because it is not fair for someone to come in with an article called "Brad not happy with line" and look around and see nothing.
They post it and get Bill Murray'd right off the bat.
What they did not know is that this article was in a thread titled "Here we go again".
Thats just not fair and I know many of you have seen me lay reminders out there most of the members change the title.

A lot of the time it is not newbs making the Moss threads but people who have been around for a few months.
People think that what they have to say is 10x more important and need their own thread for the same ideas thats already out there.
They are essentially saying "Look at me, I am smarter and better than you posers".

I have made stickys to help people and give them tips on how to search out an article.
The asshat that was finally banned last week posted the article about Moss admitting to pot from a year ago and claimed it was breaking news.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 06:56 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Well how many HOFers do we have and how many have posted? Not very many, either they haven't seen it or they don't give a pooh.

What is this talk about there will never be another Del Rio or Cajun or whatever, where do those people come from? We weren't born with the site. People come on here all the time and slide right into the mainstream.





I said it Del.. I meant that you're status on this site will never be matched.. Sure, some may end up passing you guys in posts someday, but they will never take away from you're status here.. Members like Cajun, Singers, Ned, Ultra, and yourself have a piece on this site forever.. It wasn't meant as a slap in the face, it should have been taken as a compliment..






No I didnt take it like that. What I am saying is there will always be people making a name for themselves. I was here before singer and Ned, and others and people are making names for themselves all the time.

I need to step back and punch myself in the face for saying make a name for themselves on the INTERNET.




Cool... The last thing I would want is to step on the toes of the members that make this site what it is.. I see alot of members making a name for themselves everyday, but I believe that it goes unseen more times then not.. I respect all of you guys and girls that make this a great site, I just think that there is alot of favortism here, and that is not right.. Webby has the right to do whatever he wants with this site, afterall, he is the one that started it, and keeps it going..

I don't want to call anyone out on this, but here is an example.. A while ago, there was a discussion on titles under your screen name.. When I was asking about them, it was mistaken that I was asking for one.. Then I was told that the only way you get one is if you stand out, but if you ask for one, it will take you forever to get one.. I have seen members on here that have been a member forever, however have very little post counts but have a special title.. Now my question is, how do they stand out? If they are never posting, how do they make a name for themselves? They don't, that is where I believe favortism plays a role.. Please don't think I am the only one that thinks this, because I have had several discussions with other members on this subject that think the same thing as I do..

All I am saying is that it would be nice for everyone to be treated the same regardless of how many posts you have.. If a newbie comes on here and acts like a dipshit, then I don't want to hear from them again, but if a newbie comes here and has good input and presents himself good, then I will treat him or her like I would say a Cajun, or Webby.. I realize that I will probably get scolded for this post, but I am just laying my thought out there.. Again, sorry if I offended anyone..



You are correct about the titles...but those titles are not a God-given right...they are a Webby-given right.
It is the ONE thing that he exercises control over here...and there is no doubt that he indulges in them on a whimsical basis...and he doles them out as the mood strikes him.
BUT SO WHAT?
It is his right as the owner of the site...and this isn't meant to be a knock on you, man, or anyone else...it is just the way it is.
Not having a title doesn't make you any less in anyone's eyes here...it is just something that Webby has fun with.
It's not favoritism...it is just how things evolve sometimes.
Some of my favorite people here don't have unique titles...or took forever to get them.
Does it matter to me?
Heck no...it is just the way it is.
Is there a clique or cliques here?
Maybe so...but they have evolved over a long period of time due to the familiarity that each member has with each other.
Are those cliques exclusive?
Heck no...new people gain access to certain groups of friends all the time.
How do they do it?
By POSTING...and then POSTING SOME MORE!!!
Not so much quantity as quality.
Like all things, if you want to belong, you gotta make yourself endearing to those who are the most popular.
The GOOD thing about here is that popularity is NOT based on LOOKS (well, maybe the women a little bit), but it is based on WIT and KNOWLEDGE and all those things that make up our distinct personalities.
At least that is how I see it...

The problem with the unique titles is that they are hard to give unless the poster opens up his personality (no mean feat) to us all and bares a part of his or her soul so that we can see something unique about that person.
When a poster does that, he or she leaves themself open to criticisms or ridicule...but it also lets Webby see a unique characteristic of that person...which then spurs him to dub them by a unique title...see where this is going.

The bottom line is this...keep on posting...and all good things will come!

vikes09
10-16-2006, 07:00 PM
sorry to post a little late, but here is my 2 cents.

im pretty sure i read this earlier, but i'll restate it. one thing that gets on my nerves is the lack of vikings (or at least quality) news, not only in the latest talk, but the vikes fan forum as well. for example singer or whoever posts a few good articles, and every now and then a decent thread or thought comes up. then you have....(actually putting articles from the latest talk)

2.A's manager fired
3. VOTE x9
4.prophet quit
5.men
6. new guy
8. women
9. pick up nate clements (bills), dump Smoot!!!

the clubhouse seems to dominate the main bulk of posts it seems lately. again it has a sense of community though, but IMO it's gotten out of hand lately.

about the articles and COJOs predicament, i personally like all the articles that are circulated, i would miss most if they were elsewhere. its hard when everyone rushes to post an article and then theres 4 diffrent threads on the same topic w/in 4 seconds of each other. frustrating to those who are slammed for posting an article twice. just a polite DELETE from a mod would be nice. itd probably be best to not even present a chance to create tension or hard feelings toward another member.

and having cajun there to not be AS sloppy when spelling is a nice reminder to use proper grammer and TRY to spell without a lot of errors. (im sure there are a few in that sentence alone!)

my 2 cents...

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 07:01 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


The ONLY time that a member should be slammed for a duplicate thread is if the same exact article is posted on the same day...it is WAY TOO EASY to search the day's posts to see if a new article has already been posted...and that happens alot sometimes!
It just shows that someone is being extremely lazy about looking.

Posting new threads on recurring topics is understandable IMHO...sometimes you have a new take on an old topic...and it can be justifiable to start a new thread to discuss it.
Nor do I have a problem with NEWBIES asking about Moss or Pep...it gives us vets a chance to educate them as to how the board operates...as long as it is done gently of course!


You bring up an interesting observation my weathered friend.

Yes, posting on recurring topics is understandable and most of the time left alone.

Here is what I have seen, not a lot, but have seen and 99% of the time it is from a member that rarely comes to the site.
They rush in and post an article like, "Brads wants more money" and then they leave.
Now, about 3 threads below theirs is a thread titled "Brad not happy about pay".
Is it too much to ask for someone to look?
I see this so much!
Ask webby, I have told him that bugs the piss out of me.
I can it and "post and run."
Its lazy and disresprectful.

Another thing that I have made a huge push for is that the title of the thread reflects what the thread is about.
Because it is not fair for someone to come in with an article called "Brad not happy with line" and look around and see nothing.
They post it and get Bill Murray'd right off the bat.
What they did not know is that this article was in a thread titled "Here we go again".
Thats just not fair and I know many of you have seen me lay reminders out there most of the members change the title.

A lot of the time it is not newbs making the Moss threads but people who have been around for a few months.
People think that what they have to say is 10x more important and need their own thread for the same ideas thats already out there.
They are essentially saying "Look at me, I am smarter and better than you posers".

I have made stickys to help people and give them tips on how to search out an article.
The asshat that was finally banned last week posted the article about Moss admitting to pot from a year ago and claimed it was breaking news.


It sounds like we are pretty much on the same page here...I am also troubled by the "hit and run" thing...and although I used to be a huge culprit of "smartbutt" titles, I have toned that down to conform to what you are talking about because I can see how this confuses many members.

I do continue to be more tolerant of the Moss and Pep threads because I just "change the channel" if I see them.

Keep up the excellent work, Ultra...now you KNOW why I never volunteered to be a MOD...it is a thankless job for the most part...but one that I respect immensely!

mnjamie
10-16-2006, 07:06 PM
"vikes09" wrote:


sorry to post a little late, but here is my 2 cents.

im pretty sure i read this earlier, but i'll restate it. one thing that gets on my nerves is the lack of vikings (or at least quality) news, not only in the latest talk, but the vikes fan forum as well. for example singer or whoever posts a few good articles, and every now and then a decent thread or thought comes up. then you have....(actually putting articles from the latest talk)

2.A's manager fired
3. VOTE x9
4.prophet quit
5.men
6. new guy
8. women
9. pick up nate clements (bills), dump Smoot!!!

the clubhouse seems to dominate the main bulk of posts it seems lately. again it has a sense of community though, but IMO it's gotten out of hand lately.

about the articles and COJOs predicament, i personally like all the articles that are circulated, i would miss most if they were elsewhere. its hard when everyone rushes to post an article and then theres 4 diffrent threads on the same topic w/in 4 seconds of each other. frustrating to those who are slammed for posting an article twice. just a polite DELETE from a mod would be nice. itd probably be best to not even present a chance to create tension or hard feelings toward another member.

and having cajun there to not be AS sloppy when spelling is a nice reminder to use proper grammer and TRY to spell without a lot of errors. (im sure there are a few in that sentence alone!)

my 2 cents...



Great post and I agree with almost all of it.

Don't encourage Caj to be anymore of a Spelling NAZI than he already is !!!
Spelling Nazi's should be BANNED to the arm pit of this country ... D.C. !!!


;D

6-KINGS
10-16-2006, 07:29 PM
First of all, wow........
Reading this thread of ideas I have a few thoughts.
PPO has been around for more than just a "fade" experience.
It has grown and changed and in my opinion has never taken a step back.
Caine's post is very insightful as are the vast majority of his thoughts.
Cajun's point of not becoming elitists is VERY valid.
This new wave of members is what we have always wanted and we should meet it head on and construct the future in the way the current PPO is reflected.
FLUID.
Let the board have a life of it's own that is goverened under the established rules.
Right now PPO to some extent is a fade to many new members. Properly so.
To the newbies it is a new part of their Viking life.
Let us encourage them ,yet not change their diapers.
Let them find their way just as we did. Because that is where the reward is at PPO.
No matter what happens in our lives we have PPO and a place to connect with people who share our fanatic love of the Vikes and beyond to just about any topic.

You know there was mention of Politics as a subject matter. We do talk and trash each other over it. But we HOF'rs know where the board stands. Divided for sure.
But we let it go after we bandage the carnage we cause. We then move on.
This is a good example to set for the new blood.

So as Webby suggested, let it stand for now. Let this new membership stay or go as they wish. Because no matter how the board flows for a few weeks or few months the PPO ship still sails ahead. Growing everyday, not just with members but with new options and things to do.
The newbies will come here and may follow the example of a HOF'r, but more than likely they will slug it out, in their quest to define themselves just as we did and do everyday.

Sermons over, pass the plate and go Vikes!

6-KINGS

RK.
10-16-2006, 07:34 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:



I don't want to call anyone out on this, but here is an example.. A while ago, there was a discussion on titles under your screen name.. When I was asking about them, it was mistaken that I was asking for one.. Then I was told that the only way you get one is if you stand out, but if you ask for one, it will take you forever to get one.. I have seen members on here that have been a member forever, however have very little post counts but have a special title.. Now my question is, how do they stand out? If they are never posting, how do they make a name for themselves? They don't, that is where I believe favortism plays a role.. Please don't think I am the only one that thinks this, because I have had several discussions with other members on this subject that think the same thing as I do..


Its all about the quality of pics you post in the Cheer Up Vikings thread.
;D

BTW note the way I have edited the quote box to the essential statement I am addressing instead of just hitting the quote button and re-posting the last three pages of comments in the thread just so I can say.
"Me Too"
Its just one of my pet forum peeves.
As long as we are whining I just thought I would throw that out.
:)

V-Unit
10-16-2006, 07:43 PM
My two cents.

I've been on this board for about 17 months and think that is a long enough time to enter this conversation. I hope my complaints are helpful.

1. TNT said it best, old posters need to be nicer in how they treat newcomers. I think that can be done in several ways including how people are treated when they create a duplicate thread and the stance you take when reading their posts in general.

I hate that Bill Murray thing. For new posters it makes a very bad impression and is a very elitist thing. Some duplicate posters are flamers, but others simply don't know the rules yet. IMO its very offensive to open up your first new thread on this board, expecting a solid discussion on your topic, and instead get some dumb clock with people laughing at you.


2. Even though I have HOF status, I have no idea what people on this board think of me. That is why I strongly reccomend a rating system that is frequently used by anybody who cares about the well being of this site IN A FAIR WAY. Good newcomers will feel much more welcome when they have high approval rating or they will respond to a bad rating by trying to create a more intelligent post. Those who whine about their bad rating are the ones we don't want on this board.

3. I remember when I first opened the HOF Forums. I thought "Cool! A place when we can have intelligent conversation." Then I opened up the welcome thread, and didn't feel welcome at all because half of the people here were basically saying I didn't belong. That again reflects a poor attitude on what older posters care about. Many have been here for much longer than I, and I have been here for more than a year because I care about football and love to talk/argue about it. We shouldn't be focusing on being elitist and caring about # of posts.

Then I started a strategy thread here, thinking it was going to be a hit, but in the end no one really wanted to talk about the subject. I was a bit miffed by that, because it scares me to think a HOFer would rather chase newbies away than have a good conversation here. I think the older posters are being bogged down by the task of making aggresive posters unwelcome and it is distracting us from the real purpose of this site. I take a passive attitude versus almost all trolls, yet I still realize that the site is less fun.

To sum it up, good conversation will breed more good conversation. If mods are active enough trolls can be ignored by others and disposed of by mods, which IMO is the best way to handle it. Also, a rating system cannot hurt. If wew don't choose to go that path however we can still be nice and include newer posters in popular threads.

BadlandsVikings
10-16-2006, 07:43 PM
I don't try to be, but most of the time I have been a "Me Too" person.
The majority of us are here for reason.
We have found the perfect site for the team that we love and is run by a great group of people.
Especially Webby.
Think there is a reason why PPO has almost 7,000 members,
It's run correctly and it needs to stay the way it is.
It can only get better.

2beersTommy
10-16-2006, 07:44 PM
I just wanted to give props to the Mods..theres no frggen way I could do that kinda work here on this site..Its bad enough having children at home to watch, and then to come here and watch them.
:P

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 07:51 PM
"vikes09" wrote:


about the articles and COJOs predicament, i personally like all the articles that are circulated, i would miss most if they were elsewhere. its hard when everyone rushes to post an article and then theres 4 diffrent threads on the same topic w/in 4 seconds of each other. frustrating to those who are slammed for posting an article twice. just a polite DELETE from a mod would be nice. itd probably be best to not even present a chance to create tension or hard feelings toward another member.

and having cajun there to not be AS sloppy when spelling is a nice reminder to use proper grammer and TRY to spell without a lot of errors. (im sure there are a few in that sentence alone!)

my 2 cents...


Bro, I 100%
agree.

However...all hell breaks loose when we do this.
Oh man!
A member posts an obvious duplicate and they come back and cannot find it.
Then they start a new thread about the mods being nazi's.
It used to happen once in awhile and its not pretty.

Besides, the "Lock" is a good tool.
A member should look at this and say "Oops, I should do a better job checking"

Del Rio
10-16-2006, 07:54 PM
"Then I opened up the welcome thread, and didn't feel welcome at all because half of the people here were basically saying I didn't belong. That again reflects a poor attitude on what older posters care about"

I dont get it at all.



I would also say to those who say there is not enough football content, you need to bump the threads so they stay in view.
You can start a good thread and have it vanish on page 5 the next day.

COJOMAY
10-16-2006, 07:57 PM
I wrote this to Ultra and I think it is very important to mention it again to all PPO'ers.
We find duplicate articles and I have been as guilty of this as anyone but we'd have far fewer duplicates if the person making the PPO post would use the same headline as in the original article you are posting.
I know Singer always does this but many don't.
If I find an article that I think is interesting, I do a search by the headline and if it doesn't match, I assume it's not posted and post it only to find out someone else posted it under their own made-up headline.
So let's try to do this right and we'll have far less duplicate articles.

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 08:00 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:


I wrote this to Ultra and I think it is very important to mention it again to all PPO'ers.
We find duplicate articles and I have been as guilty of this as anyone but we'd have far fewer duplicates if the person making the PPO post would use the same headline as in the original article you are posting.
I know Singer always does this but many don't.
If I find an article that I think is interesting, I do a search by the headline and if it doesn't match, I assume it's not posted and post it only to find out someone else posted it under their own made-up headline.
So let's try to do this right and we'll have far less duplicate articles.


Exactly Cojo.
Its all in the title.
I have left reminders in threads about it.

VikesfaninWis
10-16-2006, 08:01 PM
"RK." wrote:


"VikesfaninWis" wrote:



I don't want to call anyone out on this, but here is an example.. A while ago, there was a discussion on titles under your screen name.. When I was asking about them, it was mistaken that I was asking for one.. Then I was told that the only way you get one is if you stand out, but if you ask for one, it will take you forever to get one.. I have seen members on here that have been a member forever, however have very little post counts but have a special title.. Now my question is, how do they stand out? If they are never posting, how do they make a name for themselves? They don't, that is where I believe favortism plays a role.. Please don't think I am the only one that thinks this, because I have had several discussions with other members on this subject that think the same thing as I do..


Its all about the quality of pics you post in the Cheer Up Vikings thread.
;D

BTW note the way I have edited the quote box to the essential statement I am addressing instead of just hitting the quote button and re-posting the last three pages of comments in the thread just so I can say.
"Me Too"
Its just one of my pet forum peeves.
As long as we are whining I just thought I would throw that out.

:)






RK, how do you quote only part of the post? I would be happy to accomodate you as soon as I find out.. Thanks..

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 08:05 PM
"Del" wrote:


"Then I opened up the welcome thread, and didn't feel welcome at all because half of the people here were basically saying I didn't belong. That again reflects a poor attitude on what older posters care about"

I dont get it at all.



I would also say to those who say there is not enough football content, you need to bump the threads so they stay in view.
You can start a good thread and have it vanish on page 5 the next day.


Why is there a problem with the Latest Talk in the first place?
You come to the site you should know what you want to read, right?
If you want to latest on the Vikes...Fan Forum.
If you want some smut...Two Beers.
Hell, I look through every thread.
I never even look at the Top Ten.

So using that as an excuse is kinda weak.
Not everybody here is all about the Vikes; they go to the Clubhouse and chill.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
Just do not blame things on the Top Ten....especially duplicate threads.

RK.
10-16-2006, 08:19 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


"VikesfaninWis" wrote:



I don't want to call anyone out on this, but here is an example.. A while ago, there was a discussion on titles under your screen name.. When I was asking about them, it was mistaken that I was asking for one.. Then I was told that the only way you get one is if you stand out, but if you ask for one, it will take you forever to get one.. I have seen members on here that have been a member forever, however have very little post counts but have a special title.. Now my question is, how do they stand out? If they are never posting, how do they make a name for themselves? They don't, that is where I believe favortism plays a role.. Please don't think I am the only one that thinks this, because I have had several discussions with other members on this subject that think the same thing as I do..


Its all about the quality of pics you post in the Cheer Up Vikings thread.
;D

BTW note the way I have edited the quote box to the essential statement I am addressing instead of just hitting the quote button and re-posting the last three pages of comments in the thread just so I can say.
"Me Too"
Its just one of my pet forum peeves.
As long as we are whining I just thought I would throw that out.

:)






RK, how do you quote only part of the post? I would be happy to accomodate you as soon as I find out.. Thanks..



When you hit the quote box the script will put everything from the post you are quoting from in the reply box.
At the top you will see something like this
"quote author=VikesfaninWis link=topic=28280.msg485083#msg485083 date=1161046893" enclosed in brackets and the name being from the post you are quoting.
If there are multiple quote tags, leave only the top one in place.
Just highlight all the text in post that you don't want and hit the back arrow on your key board.
That will erase everything you don 't want.
Be sure to leave the [/quote] at the bottom because that closes the tag and puts the quote in a box.
;)

Webby
10-16-2006, 08:56 PM
Again folks, this isn't meant to cause a huge debate making people mad.

I am looking for ideas, criticisms, etc and I think we are doing great.
Just want to keep reiterating that.
We are safe in here to make comments.

In terms of titles, titles are what hits my whim that moment.
Always has been, always will.
Not based on post count, not even based on post quality per se.
Always has to do with overall personality or memorable quote that triggers something for me.
It is a random fun thing to keep things mixed up.

We will explain so in the rules.

I like the feedback and ideas for shaping the rules re-work and the general understanding of the leadership going forward.
Without us, the site is awash trying to find a voice.
You provide it.

Thanks again.

singersp
10-16-2006, 09:06 PM
I kind of feel after 10 pages of posts I have to come in here and defend myself.

First off, about the “This article or this topic has already been posted”. Prophet & I chatted several times yesterday as well. It by no means, either by myself or by Prophet is intended to bash or bitchslap any newbie or any other member because it was duplicated. It’s merely a reminder to say “Hey, please look for existing articles/topics before you start a new thread”. It also always then has a link to the original thread, where I hope they or anyone reading it, posts further comments to that topic before a mod either locks or merges it.

For newbs I fully understand they haven’t found their way around the site yet & I have restricted myself to using it only when I know that member has been around long enough. But many of us don’t know how to use the tools to the best advantage either. Look at how hard of a time some of us old timers had finding our way around the new site.

Perhaps there is a more tactful way of doing it or of pointing them in the right direction. I know when the pooh hit the fan the other day, I felt like hitting the “delete account” myself.

We also don’t know if anyone is PMing the newbs or showing them how to do it correctly especially when you see them repeating the same mistakes. Letting them know something has already been posted is just that. Hopefully, they start looking around after that. I know when I started and I was the recipient of a few Bill Murray’s or a nasty gram (LOL) from Ultra or Del, I started looking.

The mods do a great job of catching most of them, but I’ve seen them slip thru the cracks or not be caught until after several pages have been posted. Is this also the best use of the mods time?

There are also members who look at the top 10 & only the top 10 & if they don’t see it they start a new thread. Since the inception of the new site, many threads that you had to search for are among the top 10.

A few months ago, & I saw it mentioned on an earlier page, I suggested two top 10 lists. One for football & Vikings related topics & one for everything else. It will keep the Vikings/football topics up in the top 10 & cut down on duplicate threads. I have read mention of members being able to customize a single top 10 it, but I don’t know if that’s the answer.

At any given time there are usually, if not more, lurkers on line looking at the top 10 who aren’t looking at a top 10 list & others who won’t ever change theirs & those who post mostly in the clubhouse anyways.

I would never get rid of the clubhouse or two beers forums as I feel those are necessary & helps make this a better place to be. We all need a little humor in our lives & just how much can we rehash the game & team from Sunday to Sunday.

Another reason for two top 10’s is that the football related articles/topics get buried to quickly. I am on here at 5:00 AM most mornings & posting the latest that hasn’t been posted yet. Del is usually on here then always replying to them along with some other usual. But by the time some of the younger members get on, the non-football topics rise quickly to the top. On weekends, you can gol 'darnit near set your watch to it, come 11:00AM CST. By no means am I insinuating we don’t have great young posters out there, because we do. I’m just voicing my observations. Many of them know a hell of a lot more of the intracies of football than I do. But that doesn’t mean their opinion or mine is any less valuable to this site.

2ndly, Cojo mentioned articles. Whole story or not? I’ve do it both ways. I have a pretty good feel, at least I think I do, so correct me if I’m wrong, for what can & what shouldn’t be posted in full. The major reason I post full articles is that there are some that require you to register & log in to read them & some people don’t want to go thru that trouble or give out their e-mail address. I have been asked on several occasions to post the entire article so they wouldn’t have to register. If I can, I oblige, if I can’t, I’ll let them know that also.

3rdly, IMO the search & advanced search features should be more visible on the forum page. Perhaps separated out & in the upper left or right corner like a majority of websites have. You shouldn’t have to use 3 clicks to get to the Advanced Search feature. Without looking, how many of you HOF’s know an advanced search feature is there, where it is & how to use it?

I believe Cajun has mentioned the “it only takes two clicks to get to the Viking forum” (or any other forum) to look for new topics. But then you have to search those pages for the new topics. They are listed in order by “the most recently posted in” & not “the most recent”, so a new thread to them may be found on page 3. Again, a lot of people don’t go thru that effort & look at the top 10.

You don’t have to go thru any of that to find the new topics, they are just one click away. I showed the powerful feature last week to MNJamie, I believe & I rely on it more than the top 10 or any other of the search features or forums. It has to be set up in “Your Account”, but I feel it is so beneficial, it should be turned on by default.

Below is a picture of what I’m talking about & I’m sure many people haven’t discovered it yet, but I have found it to be the most useful tool on here & I’m on here a hell of a lot.

The top line to click, “Show unread posts since last visit” gives you a list of every new thread started that either you haven’t seen yet or haven’t posted in yet. Once you click on one of the threads there & read it & then click on “Show unread posts since last visit” again, it will no longer be there, until someone else posts a reply. Once I get down to the topics I’m not interested in I simply select “Mark all topics as read” & the remainder will be purged from the list.

The 2nd line to click “Show new replies to your posts” works the same way as the first one, except the only threads listed there are threads you’ve posted in that have received a new reply.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/timeloggedin.jpg

Some instructions or tutorials to these tools & how to use them would be beneficial to members new & old if they take the time to learn them instead of stumbling onto them like I have.

That’s my dollar-two cents worth & I hope I haven't offended anyone for voicing my opinion or by giving them a notice to anyone about any duplicate threads. If I have, I apologize.

WBLVikeBabe
10-16-2006, 09:18 PM
"singersp" wrote:


I kind of feel after 10 pages of posts I have to come in here and defend myself.

First off, about the “This article or this topic has already been posted”. Prophet & I chatted several times yesterday as well. It by no means, either by myself or by Prophet is intended to bash or bitchslap any newbie or any other member because it was duplicated. It’s merely a reminder to say “Hey, please look for existing articles/topics before you start a new thread”. It also always then has a link to the original thread, where I hope they or anyone reading it, posts further comments to that topic before a mod either locks or merges it.

For newbs I fully understand they haven’t found their way around the site yet & I have restricted myself to using it only when I know that member has been around long enough. But many of us don’t know how to use the tools to the best advantage either. Look at how hard of a time some of us old timers had finding our way around the new site.

Perhaps there is a more tactful way of doing it or of pointing them in the right direction. I know when the pooh hit the fan the other day, I felt like hitting the “delete account” myself.

We also don’t know if anyone is PMing the newbs or showing them how to do it correctly especially when you see them repeating the same mistakes. Letting them know something has already been posted is just that. Hopefully, they start looking around after that. I know when I started and I was the recipient of a few Bill Murray’s or a nasty gram (LOL) from Ultra or Del, I started looking.

The mods do a great job of catching most of them, but I’ve seen them slip thru the cracks or not be caught until after several pages have been posted. Is this also the best use of the mods time?

There are also members who look at the top 10 & only the top 10 & if they don’t see it they start a new thread. Since the inception of the new site, many threads that you had to search for are among the top 10.

A few months ago, & I saw it mentioned on an earlier page, I suggested two top 10 lists. One for football & Vikings related topics & one for everything else. It will keep the Vikings/football topics up in the top 10 & cut down on duplicate threads. I have read mention of members being able to customize a single top 10 it, but I don’t know if that’s the answer.

At any given time there are usually, if not more, lurkers on line looking at the top 10 who aren’t looking at a top 10 list & others who won’t ever change theirs & those who post mostly in the clubhouse anyways.

I would never get rid of the clubhouse or two beers forums as I feel those are necessary & helps make this a better place to be. We all need a little humor in our lives & just how much can we rehash the game & team from Sunday to Sunday.

Another reason for two top 10’s is that the football related articles/topics get buried to quickly. I am on here at 5:00 AM most mornings & posting the latest that hasn’t been posted yet. Del is usually on here then always replying to them along with some other usual. But by the time some of the younger members get on, the non-football topics rise quickly to the top. On weekends, you can gol 'darnit near set your watch to it, come 11:00AM CST. By no means am I insinuating we don’t have great young posters out there, because we do. I’m just voicing my observations. Many of them know a hell of a lot more of the intracies of football than I do. But that doesn’t mean their opinion or mine is any less valuable to this site.

2ndly, Cojo mentioned articles. Whole story or not? I’ve do it both ways. I have a pretty good feel, at least I think I do, so correct me if I’m wrong, for what can & what shouldn’t be posted in full. The major reason I post full articles is that there are some that require you to register & log in to read them & some people don’t want to go thru that trouble or give out their e-mail address. I have been asked on several occasions to post the entire article so they wouldn’t have to register. If I can, I oblige, if I can’t, I’ll let them know that also.

3rdly, IMO the search & advanced search features should be more visible on the forum page. Perhaps separated out & in the upper left or right corner like a majority of websites have. You shouldn’t have to use 3 clicks to get to the Advanced Search feature. Without looking, how many of you HOF’s know an advanced search feature is there, where it is & how to use it?

I believe Cajun has mentioned the “it only takes two clicks to get to the Viking forum” (or any other forum) to look for new topics. But then you have to search those pages for the new topics. They are listed in order by “the most recently posted in” & not “the most recent”, so a new thread to them may be found on page 3. Again, a lot of people don’t go thru that effort & look at the top 10.

You don’t have to go thru any of that to find the new topics, they are just one click away. I showed the powerful feature last week to MNJamie, I believe & I rely on it more than the top 10 or any other of the search features or forums. It has to be set up in “Your Account”, but I feel it is so beneficial, it should be turned on by default.

Below is a picture of what I’m talking about & I’m sure many people haven’t discovered it yet, but I have found it to be the most useful tool on here & I’m on here a hell of a lot.

The top line to click, “Show unread posts since last visit” gives you a list of every new thread started that either you haven’t seen yet or haven’t posted in yet. Once you click on one of the threads there & read it & then click on “Show unread posts since last visit” again, it will no longer be there, until someone else posts a reply. Once I get down to the topics I’m not interested in I simply select “Mark all topics as read” & the remainder will be purged from the list.

The 2nd line to click “Show new replies to your posts” works the same way as the first one, except the only threads listed there are threads you’ve posted in that have received a new reply.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/timeloggedin.jpg

Some instructions or tutorials to these tools & how to use them would be beneficial to members new & old if they take the time to learn them instead of stumbling onto them like I have.

That’s my dollar-two cents worth & I hope I have offended anyone for voicing my opinion or by giving them a notice to anyone about any duplicate threads. If I have, I apologize.



Oh but you have offended me Singer.
Thanks a lot I think i'm going to leave the site now.
;)

singersp
10-16-2006, 09:19 PM
"RK." wrote:


"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


"RK." wrote:


"VikesfaninWis" wrote:



I don't want to call anyone out on this, but here is an example.. A while ago, there was a discussion on titles under your screen name.. When I was asking about them, it was mistaken that I was asking for one.. Then I was told that the only way you get one is if you stand out, but if you ask for one, it will take you forever to get one.. I have seen members on here that have been a member forever, however have very little post counts but have a special title.. Now my question is, how do they stand out? If they are never posting, how do they make a name for themselves? They don't, that is where I believe favortism plays a role.. Please don't think I am the only one that thinks this, because I have had several discussions with other members on this subject that think the same thing as I do..


Its all about the quality of pics you post in the Cheer Up Vikings thread.
;D

BTW note the way I have edited the quote box to the essential statement I am addressing instead of just hitting the quote button and re-posting the last three pages of comments in the thread just so I can say.
"Me Too"
Its just one of my pet forum peeves.
As long as we are whining I just thought I would throw that out.

:)






RK, how do you quote only part of the post? I would be happy to accomodate you as soon as I find out.. Thanks..



When you hit the quote box the script will put everything from the post you are quoting from in the reply box.

At the top you will see something like this
"quote author=VikesfaninWis link=topic=28280.msg485083#msg485083 date=1161046893" enclosed in brackets and the name being from the post you are quoting.
If there are multiple quote tags, leave only the top one in place.
Just highlight all the text in post that you don't want and hit the back arrow on your key board.
That will erase everything you don 't want.
Be sure to leave the at the bottom because that closes the tag and puts the quote in a box.

;)
[/quote]

You can also just copy & paste the part of the post you want in your post. Then highlight it and click the "quote" button. (2nd from right on the bottom row of icons) You won't get the author in there, but you will get it enclosed in quotes.

For example;


You won't get the author in there, but you will get it enclosed in quotes.

I prefer the later method when taking quotes out of an article I posted. Too many times people quote the entire article I posted & strip out the stuff they don't want, leaving an asshat type comment the article author wrote, with my name attached to it. It then looks like I made the comment & have found myself having to post to defend myself & pointing out the comment wasn't mine. LOL

singersp
10-16-2006, 09:25 PM
"WBLVikeBabe" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:

.......That’s my dollar-two cents worth & I hope I have offended anyone for voicing my opinion or by giving them a notice to anyone about any duplicate threads. If I have, I apologize.



Oh but you have offended me Singer.
Thanks a lot I think i'm going to leave the site now.

;)


LOL, I corrected it. I type with one finger & I was typing for well over an hour. My finger was tired.

PurplePeopleEaters
10-16-2006, 09:30 PM
The most annoying thing for me with the influx of new members is their overall quality of posts. I feel like the new, normally younger members post senseless things like "bench brad" "start Tarvaris" etc. I think the minimum word count helps with this but overall these people just need to post more knowledgebly.

When I first came here I was one of the youngest members on the board. To me this meant that I needed to prove to everyone on here that I was intellectually competent enough to hang with the big dogs. 5000 or so posts later here I am. I don't know how you fix this but its just one of my observations.

I mean, I love this site as much as everyone posting in this forum but sometimes it's just too much to take. I think we need to make it clear that discussing issues on a forum is not like chatting on AIM. It also hurts to have people generalize all of the younger posters as unintelligent because certain members treat this forum like a high school chat room as others have said.

As far as the mods go, I think they're doing a fine job. I don't know how you can get pissed off posting on a forum personally but either way I can understand if my threads get shut down.


I think making a "top 10 Vikings topics" and "top 10 random topics" would be nice. It would make it so that the clubhouse forums wouldn't junk up the top 10. I find myself clicking ONLY on the vikings fan forum more and more nowadays.

Anyways.. just my two cents. SKOL

shockzilla
10-16-2006, 09:32 PM
Wow. I guess I really didn't see this coming, but I haven't been on the site as much lately as I'd like.

OK, here's my two cents worth.

As far as new members go, I have been guilty of treating some poorly, but I feel that those have been few and far between. I have tried to welcome new members and treat them as I was treated when I was new - with respect and patience. This site has been growing by leaps and bounds, and there are no signs of it slowing down. I think a lot of what we have been experiencing have been growing pains, Things are bound to change as time marches on. We have been blessed with membership that, for the most part, treats everyone as well as can be expected. Like any site, we have some people that join that just don't get it - they'll post anything they want no matter how stupid or inane it might be.

And again that's where the mods come in, myself included. I think we have been fair, and have for 98% of the time treated people well, and have flamed people when they deserve it. A lot of you have said the same things - with our growth we're bound to get duplicate threads more and more often - it's natural, I think. And as far as the lack or perceived lack of Vikings and football-related threads, I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to that - I think a good 85% of my posts fall into the Clubhouse forum.

Anyway, I think this is a COMMUNITY, and people in the real world talk about every day life and other things that happen - not just Vikings football. But the GREAT thing about this place is, Vikings Football is the ONE thing that EVERYONE here has in common - no matter what race, no matter what religion, no matter what occupation, no matter what age. We are here for ONE thing: our love of the Vikings. Everything else we talk about falls into place around that. And I LOVE this place because of it. It allows me to talk about things OTHER than the Vikings if I want, no questions asked.

I think it's good that these issues and questions have been raised - intelligent discussion has always been a hallmark of this place. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and the great this is we can agree to disagree. Just let's not let things get out of hand and let's treat people, new AND old, with respect and dignity.

That's all I got.

Webby
10-16-2006, 09:35 PM
"singersp" wrote:


I kind of feel after 10 pages of posts I have to come in here and defend myself.

First off, about the “This article or this topic has already been posted”. Prophet & I chatted several times yesterday as well. It by no means, either by myself or by Prophet is intended to bash or bitchslap any newbie or any other member because it was duplicated. It’s merely a reminder to say “Hey, please look for existing articles/topics before you start a new thread”. It also always then has a link to the original thread, where I hope they or anyone reading it, posts further comments to that topic before a mod either locks or merges it.

For newbs I fully understand they haven’t found their way around the site yet & I have restricted myself to using it only when I know that member has been around long enough. But many of us don’t know how to use the tools to the best advantage either. Look at how hard of a time some of us old timers had finding our way around the new site.

Perhaps there is a more tactful way of doing it or of pointing them in the right direction. I know when the pooh hit the fan the other day, I felt like hitting the “delete account” myself.

We also don’t know if anyone is PMing the newbs or showing them how to do it correctly especially when you see them repeating the same mistakes. Letting them know something has already been posted is just that. Hopefully, they start looking around after that. I know when I started and I was the recipient of a few Bill Murray’s or a nasty gram (LOL) from Ultra or Del, I started looking.

The mods do a great job of catching most of them, but I’ve seen them slip thru the cracks or not be caught until after several pages have been posted. Is this also the best use of the mods time?

There are also members who look at the top 10 & only the top 10 & if they don’t see it they start a new thread. Since the inception of the new site, many threads that you had to search for are among the top 10.

A few months ago, & I saw it mentioned on an earlier page, I suggested two top 10 lists. One for football & Vikings related topics & one for everything else. It will keep the Vikings/football topics up in the top 10 & cut down on duplicate threads. I have read mention of members being able to customize a single top 10 it, but I don’t know if that’s the answer.

At any given time there are usually, if not more, lurkers on line looking at the top 10 who aren’t looking at a top 10 list & others who won’t ever change theirs & those who post mostly in the clubhouse anyways.

I would never get rid of the clubhouse or two beers forums as I feel those are necessary & helps make this a better place to be. We all need a little humor in our lives & just how much can we rehash the game & team from Sunday to Sunday.

Another reason for two top 10’s is that the football related articles/topics get buried to quickly. I am on here at 5:00 AM most mornings & posting the latest that hasn’t been posted yet. Del is usually on here then always replying to them along with some other usual. But by the time some of the younger members get on, the non-football topics rise quickly to the top. On weekends, you can gol 'darnit near set your watch to it, come 11:00AM CST. By no means am I insinuating we don’t have great young posters out there, because we do. I’m just voicing my observations. Many of them know a hell of a lot more of the intracies of football than I do. But that doesn’t mean their opinion or mine is any less valuable to this site.

2ndly, Cojo mentioned articles. Whole story or not? I’ve do it both ways. I have a pretty good feel, at least I think I do, so correct me if I’m wrong, for what can & what shouldn’t be posted in full. The major reason I post full articles is that there are some that require you to register & log in to read them & some people don’t want to go thru that trouble or give out their e-mail address. I have been asked on several occasions to post the entire article so they wouldn’t have to register. If I can, I oblige, if I can’t, I’ll let them know that also.

3rdly, IMO the search & advanced search features should be more visible on the forum page. Perhaps separated out & in the upper left or right corner like a majority of websites have. You shouldn’t have to use 3 clicks to get to the Advanced Search feature. Without looking, how many of you HOF’s know an advanced search feature is there, where it is & how to use it?

I believe Cajun has mentioned the “it only takes two clicks to get to the Viking forum” (or any other forum) to look for new topics. But then you have to search those pages for the new topics. They are listed in order by “the most recently posted in” & not “the most recent”, so a new thread to them may be found on page 3. Again, a lot of people don’t go thru that effort & look at the top 10.

You don’t have to go thru any of that to find the new topics, they are just one click away. I showed the powerful feature last week to MNJamie, I believe & I rely on it more than the top 10 or any other of the search features or forums. It has to be set up in “Your Account”, but I feel it is so beneficial, it should be turned on by default.

Below is a picture of what I’m talking about & I’m sure many people haven’t discovered it yet, but I have found it to be the most useful tool on here & I’m on here a hell of a lot.

The top line to click, “Show unread posts since last visit” gives you a list of every new thread started that either you haven’t seen yet or haven’t posted in yet. Once you click on one of the threads there & read it & then click on “Show unread posts since last visit” again, it will no longer be there, until someone else posts a reply. Once I get down to the topics I’m not interested in I simply select “Mark all topics as read” & the remainder will be purged from the list.

The 2nd line to click “Show new replies to your posts” works the same way as the first one, except the only threads listed there are threads you’ve posted in that have received a new reply.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/timeloggedin.jpg

Some instructions or tutorials to these tools & how to use them would be beneficial to members new & old if they take the time to learn them instead of stumbling onto them like I have.

That’s my dollar-two cents worth & I hope I haven't offended anyone for voicing my opinion or by giving them a notice to anyone about any duplicate threads. If I have, I apologize.



Maybe thats part of the education, too Singer, how to use the boards.
If I had my druthers, I would have you as a mod and some others here to help out.
I simply haven't had time to dwell on it.
But noone is tackling you at all.
everyone I know thinks the world of you.

This is NOT ABOUT any individual, it is about perceptions at large and getting ideas on how to help solve some issues that become big but could have probably been avoided in the first place if I was smart enough to make this work right.

No worries, my friend.
By the way, we have Ethan's coming home outfit, and its one of yours!!
THANK YOU!

ultravikingfan
10-16-2006, 09:42 PM
"Webby" wrote:


No worries, my friend.

By the way, we have Ethan's coming home outfit, and its one of yours!!
THANK YOU!


Did he include a club too?

JK!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/ultravikingfan/DSC00036.jpg

MensaTice
10-16-2006, 09:49 PM
"shockzilla" wrote:


Wow. I guess I really didn't see this coming, but I haven't been on the site as much lately as I'd like.

OK, here's my two cents worth.

As far as new members go, I have been guilty of treating some poorly, but I feel that those have been few and far between. I have tried to welcome new members and treat them as I was treated when I was new - with respect and patience. This site has been growing by leaps and bounds, and there are no signs of it slowing down. I think a lot of what we have been experiencing have been growing pains, Things are bound to change as time marches on. We have been blessed with membership that, for the most part, treats everyone as well as can be expected. Like any site, we have some people that join that just don't get it - they'll post anything they want no matter how stupid or inane it might be.

And again that's where the mods come in, myself included. I think we have been fair, and have for 98% of the time treated people well, and have flamed people when they deserve it. A lot of you have said the same things - with our growth we're bound to get duplicate threads more and more often - it's natural, I think. And as far as the lack or perceived lack of Vikings and football-related threads, I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to that - I think a good 85% of my posts fall into the Clubhouse forum.

Anyway, I think this is a COMMUNITY, and people in the real world talk about every day life and other things that happen - not just Vikings football. But the GREAT thing about this place is, Vikings Football is the ONE thing that EVERYONE here has in common - no matter what race, no matter what religion, no matter what occupation, no matter what age. We are here for ONE thing: our love of the Vikings. Everything else we talk about falls into place around that. And I LOVE this place because of it. It allows me to talk about things OTHER than the Vikings if I want, no questions asked.

I think it's good that these issues and questions have been raised - intelligent discussion has always been a hallmark of this place. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and the great this is we can agree to disagree. Just let's not let things get out of hand and let's treat people, new AND old, with respect and dignity.

That's all I got.


This is a good post.
I find myself posting almost exclusively in the Clubhouse or HOF speak because any football talk turns worthless after about three posts into a thread.
I basically come here to read up on any Vikings news and hearing people's thoughts about games, players, strageties, ect...
As far as posting goes, I'd love to talk football, but it just seems like threads blow up so fast its not worth the time sharing an opinion or idea about the Vikes.
I have no problem posting about things other than the Vikes.
I love the non-Viking related subjects because thats usually where I find the members of this board who I like the most.
Ironically, the people who post in off-topic threads know more about football than the people ranting about the Vikes.
I agree completely about this being a community.

singersp
10-16-2006, 09:51 PM
"Webby" wrote:

No worries, my friend.

By the way, we have Ethan's coming home outfit, and its one of yours!!
THANK YOU!


Thanks Webby, Knowing now that it's Ethan that's coming home, I'm glad I didn't buy that adorable newborn cheerleader outft that I found.

But there's always the next baby.

shockzilla
10-16-2006, 10:10 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:

No worries, my friend.
By the way, we have Ethan's coming home outfit, and its one of yours!!
THANK YOU!


Thanks Webby, Knowing now that it's Ethan that's coming home, I'm glad I didn't buy that adorable newborn cheerleader outft that I found.

But there's always the next baby.


HAHAHAHA!!!! Getting ahead of ourselves, Singer? The first one isn't here yet!
;D

MensaTice
10-16-2006, 10:42 PM
I just reread my post and I'm not quite sure if it made sense to anyone else.
As far as the fluff that goes on in the Clubhouse, I'm more for that than actual Vikings talk on this site.
A year ago, it was the exact opposite.
Having a ton of new members means more opinions and sadly, more stupid people.
Its just the nature of the beast.
There is nothing wrong with not posting so much in the football forums.
It's a lot better than getting in pissing matches.
I know a lot of people aren't fans of the nonsense threads, but really, those are the only one's I can tolerate these days.
If it means my internet reputation as a football fans takes a hit, so be it.
I love the Vikes and I love PPO.
The people are what make it great.
If more people want to come here and prove how stupid they are, we (or the mods) basically have to let them.
Not stupid as in being flamers... but you all know what I mean.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 10:52 PM
"vikes09" wrote:


sorry to post a little late, but here is my 2 cents.

im pretty sure i read this earlier, but i'll restate it. one thing that gets on my nerves is the lack of vikings (or at least quality) news, not only in the latest talk, but the vikes fan forum as well. for example singer or whoever posts a few good articles, and every now and then a decent thread or thought comes up. then you have....(actually putting articles from the latest talk)

2.A's manager fired
3. VOTE x9
4.prophet quit
5.men
6. new guy
8. women9. pick up nate clements (bills), dump Smoot!!!

the clubhouse seems to dominate the main bulk of posts it seems lately. again it has a sense of community though, but IMO it's gotten out of hand lately.

about the articles and COJOs predicament, i personally like all the articles that are circulated, i would miss most if they were elsewhere. its hard when everyone rushes to post an article and then theres 4 diffrent threads on the same topic w/in 4 seconds of each other. frustrating to those who are slammed for posting an article twice. just a polite DELETE from a mod would be nice. itd probably be best to not even present a chance to create tension or hard feelings toward another member.

and having cajun there to not be AS sloppy when spelling is a nice reminder to use proper grammer and TRY to spell without a lot of errors. (im sure there are a few in that sentence alone!)

my 2 cents...


Whaddya want...it's a BYE WEEK!!!!
:D

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 10:53 PM
"mnjamie" wrote:


"vikes09" wrote:


sorry to post a little late, but here is my 2 cents.

im pretty sure i read this earlier, but i'll restate it. one thing that gets on my nerves is the lack of vikings (or at least quality) news, not only in the latest talk, but the vikes fan forum as well. for example singer or whoever posts a few good articles, and every now and then a decent thread or thought comes up. then you have....(actually putting articles from the latest talk)

2.A's manager fired
3. VOTE x9
4.prophet quit
5.men
6. new guy
8. women
9. pick up nate clements (bills), dump Smoot!!!

the clubhouse seems to dominate the main bulk of posts it seems lately. again it has a sense of community though, but IMO it's gotten out of hand lately.

about the articles and COJOs predicament, i personally like all the articles that are circulated, i would miss most if they were elsewhere. its hard when everyone rushes to post an article and then theres 4 diffrent threads on the same topic w/in 4 seconds of each other. frustrating to those who are slammed for posting an article twice. just a polite DELETE from a mod would be nice. itd probably be best to not even present a chance to create tension or hard feelings toward another member.

and having cajun there to not be AS sloppy when spelling is a nice reminder to use proper grammer and TRY to spell without a lot of errors. (im sure there are a few in that sentence alone!)

my 2 cents...



Great post and I agree with almost all of it.

Don't encourage Caj to be anymore of a Spelling NAZI than he already is !!!
Spelling Nazi's should be BANNED to the arm pit of this country ... D.C. !!!



;D


HEY NOW!!!!
>:( :D

V-Unit
10-16-2006, 10:54 PM
IMO duplicates and hijacked threads are the same argument.

Having a large number of posters on any board leads to threads that stay on topic for a shorter period of time. I'll use the classic Brad Johnson thread as an example.

Even if we assume the first post is solid, the topic will be swayed (probably within the first 3 pages) by a good post (ex. the receivers need to run deeper routes) or a bad post (ex. people who like BJ are idiots) Either way members who have something to say about BJ no longer want to post in this thread, because it really isn't about BJ anymore. It is now about receivers in the former case or a personal argument is the latter.

Yes the right thing to do may be to try to steer the thread back on topic, but that rarely works. Most logical people would think the right thing to do would be to start a new topic on BJ, since this one is dead.

So a duplicate is created, and that one is usually dead in 3 or 4 posts because an old timer has shown the link to the old thread and a mod has locked it within the first two pages (I am not trying to criticize, simply making an observation).

So now we have one thread that really isn't about the QB anymore (dead) and one thread that is locked (dead). The person wanting to talk about BJ feels he has nowhere to post his opinions, and yet another duplicate is made.

This happens all the time on all message boards. The solutions I can think of are:
1.? Have dedicated members who post based on subject and not the last post. Personally I don't like this one, it breaks the convention of a normal discussion and is too rigid. All good discussions flow.
2.? Actually lock the old thread when the second has started? I don't like this one either. Don't really think it would work and it would cause for fragmented conversations.
3. Merging threads - Obviously the best solution, but sometimes a merge still creates a break in the flow of discussion.

I'd like to reiterate that this happens on all message boards. I love the fact that we are actively seeking solutions.

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 11:12 PM
"V-Unit" wrote:


My two cents.

I've been on this board for about 17 months and think that is a long enough time to enter this conversation. I hope my complaints are helpful.

1. TNT said it best, old posters need to be nicer in how they treat newcomers. I think that can be done in several ways including how people are treated when they create a duplicate thread and the stance you take when reading their posts in general.

I hate that Bill Murray thing. For new posters it makes a very bad impression and is a very elitist thing. Some duplicate posters are flamers, but others simply don't know the rules yet. IMO its very offensive to open up your first new thread on this board, expecting a solid discussion on your topic, and instead get some dumb clock with people laughing at you.


2. Even though I have HOF status, I have no idea what people on this board think of me. That is why I strongly reccomend a rating system that is frequently used by anybody who cares about the well being of this site IN A FAIR WAY. Good newcomers will feel much more welcome when they have high approval rating or they will respond to a bad rating by trying to create a more intelligent post. Those who whine about their bad rating are the ones we don't want on this board.

3. I remember when I first opened the HOF Forums. I thought "Cool! A place when we can have intelligent conversation." Then I opened up the welcome thread, and didn't feel welcome at all because half of the people here were basically saying I didn't belong. That again reflects a poor attitude on what older posters care about. Many have been here for much longer than I, and I have been here for more than a year because I care about football and love to talk/argue about it. We shouldn't be focusing on being elitist and caring about # of posts.

Then I started a strategy thread here, thinking it was going to be a hit, but in the end no one really wanted to talk about the subject. I was a bit miffed by that, because it scares me to think a HOFer would rather chase newbies away than have a good conversation here. I think the older posters are being bogged down by the task of making aggresive posters unwelcome and it is distracting us from the real purpose of this site. I take a passive attitude versus almost all trolls, yet I still realize that the site is less fun.

To sum it up, good conversation will breed more good conversation. If mods are active enough trolls can be ignored by others and disposed of by mods, which IMO is the best way to handle it. Also, a rating system cannot hurt. If wew don't choose to go that path however we can still be nice and include newer posters in popular threads.



WOW!
That was more like TWO DOLLARS worth...BUT it was a GREAT POST!

I apologize that you haven't been made to feel welcome by some of the "older" posters...I hope that I don't fall into that catagory but if I do, then accept my personal apology as well.
I have personally tried in the time that I have been here (a little over two years) to welcome EVERY new poster that has posted an introductory thread, as well as others that I see post in ongoing threads.
I am pretty easygoing when it comes to whomever joins...where they are from, what they do for a living, who they are...these things are all secondary to the fact that they are a VIKINGS fan, first and foremost.
Now I am guilty of clowning around and not always being serious...and if that is perceived as not being the optimal fan then that is something that is just gonna have to be accepted.
Make no mistake, I have and will always be a VIKINGS fan...and I know enough about my team and about football in general to hold my own in most every conversation on this board.
Just remember, not everyone that comes here every day will ALWAYS want to talk about FOOTBALL...even though it is the reason that we are here.
That is why we have different forums...and they serve their purpose.
I am sorry to hear that your strategy thread didn't take off...sometimes things like that get posted at the wrong time to be optimally utilized.
BUT the solution to that is to find a group within the group that is like-minded...and make sure that they know that you have posted something that is more serious and football-related in nature.
PMs, IMs, and email are good ways to connect with those like-minded posters.

I like what I have seen from you, V-Unit...and I look forward to more from you in the future.
It is posters like you that are the future of PP.O...regardless of the initial reception that you experienced.
Stick with it and you will see results!!

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 11:21 PM
"singersp" wrote:


I kind of feel after 10 pages of posts I have to come in here and defend myself.

First off, about the “This article or this topic has already been posted”. Prophet & I chatted several times yesterday as well. It by no means, either by myself or by Prophet is intended to bash or bitchslap any newbie or any other member because it was duplicated. It’s merely a reminder to say “Hey, please look for existing articles/topics before you start a new thread”. It also always then has a link to the original thread, where I hope they or anyone reading it, posts further comments to that topic before a mod either locks or merges it.

For newbs I fully understand they haven’t found their way around the site yet & I have restricted myself to using it only when I know that member has been around long enough. But many of us don’t know how to use the tools to the best advantage either. Look at how hard of a time some of us old timers had finding our way around the new site.

Perhaps there is a more tactful way of doing it or of pointing them in the right direction. I know when the pooh hit the fan the other day, I felt like hitting the “delete account” myself.

We also don’t know if anyone is PMing the newbs or showing them how to do it correctly especially when you see them repeating the same mistakes. Letting them know something has already been posted is just that. Hopefully, they start looking around after that. I know when I started and I was the recipient of a few Bill Murray’s or a nasty gram (LOL) from Ultra or Del, I started looking.

The mods do a great job of catching most of them, but I’ve seen them slip thru the cracks or not be caught until after several pages have been posted. Is this also the best use of the mods time?

There are also members who look at the top 10 & only the top 10 & if they don’t see it they start a new thread. Since the inception of the new site, many threads that you had to search for are among the top 10.

A few months ago, & I saw it mentioned on an earlier page, I suggested two top 10 lists. One for football & Vikings related topics & one for everything else. It will keep the Vikings/football topics up in the top 10 & cut down on duplicate threads. I have read mention of members being able to customize a single top 10 it, but I don’t know if that’s the answer.

At any given time there are usually, if not more, lurkers on line looking at the top 10 who aren’t looking at a top 10 list & others who won’t ever change theirs & those who post mostly in the clubhouse anyways.

I would never get rid of the clubhouse or two beers forums as I feel those are necessary & helps make this a better place to be. We all need a little humor in our lives & just how much can we rehash the game & team from Sunday to Sunday.

Another reason for two top 10’s is that the football related articles/topics get buried to quickly. I am on here at 5:00 AM most mornings & posting the latest that hasn’t been posted yet. Del is usually on here then always replying to them along with some other usual. But by the time some of the younger members get on, the non-football topics rise quickly to the top. On weekends, you can gol 'darnit near set your watch to it, come 11:00AM CST. By no means am I insinuating we don’t have great young posters out there, because we do. I’m just voicing my observations. Many of them know a hell of a lot more of the intracies of football than I do. But that doesn’t mean their opinion or mine is any less valuable to this site.

2ndly, Cojo mentioned articles. Whole story or not? I’ve do it both ways. I have a pretty good feel, at least I think I do, so correct me if I’m wrong, for what can & what shouldn’t be posted in full. The major reason I post full articles is that there are some that require you to register & log in to read them & some people don’t want to go thru that trouble or give out their e-mail address. I have been asked on several occasions to post the entire article so they wouldn’t have to register. If I can, I oblige, if I can’t, I’ll let them know that also.

3rdly, IMO the search & advanced search features should be more visible on the forum page. Perhaps separated out & in the upper left or right corner like a majority of websites have. You shouldn’t have to use 3 clicks to get to the Advanced Search feature. Without looking, how many of you HOF’s know an advanced search feature is there, where it is & how to use it?

I believe Cajun has mentioned the “it only takes two clicks to get to the Viking forum” (or any other forum) to look for new topics. But then you have to search those pages for the new topics. They are listed in order by “the most recently posted in” & not “the most recent”, so a new thread to them may be found on page 3. Again, a lot of people don’t go thru that effort & look at the top 10.
You don’t have to go thru any of that to find the new topics, they are just one click away. I showed the powerful feature last week to MNJamie, I believe & I rely on it more than the top 10 or any other of the search features or forums. It has to be set up in “Your Account”, but I feel it is so beneficial, it should be turned on by default.

Below is a picture of what I’m talking about & I’m sure many people haven’t discovered it yet, but I have found it to be the most useful tool on here & I’m on here a hell of a lot.

The top line to click, “Show unread posts since last visit” gives you a list of every new thread started that either you haven’t seen yet or haven’t posted in yet. Once you click on one of the threads there & read it & then click on “Show unread posts since last visit” again, it will no longer be there, until someone else posts a reply. Once I get down to the topics I’m not interested in I simply select “Mark all topics as read” & the remainder will be purged from the list.

The 2nd line to click “Show new replies to your posts” works the same way as the first one, except the only threads listed there are threads you’ve posted in that have received a new reply.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/timeloggedin.jpg

Some instructions or tutorials to these tools & how to use them would be beneficial to members new & old if they take the time to learn them instead of stumbling onto them like I have.

That’s my dollar-two cents worth & I hope I haven't offended anyone for voicing my opinion or by giving them a notice to anyone about any duplicate threads. If I have, I apologize.



Latest Talk is STILL the most recently posted in topics, not the newest.
Maybe turning that list INTO the NEWEST TOPICS list might be a better option!

Great analysis, BTW Singer!

cajunvike
10-16-2006, 11:23 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"WBLVikeBabe" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:

.......That’s my dollar-two cents worth & I hope I have offended anyone for voicing my opinion or by giving them a notice to anyone about any duplicate threads. If I have, I apologize.



Oh but you have offended me Singer.
Thanks a lot I think i'm going to leave the site now.

;)


LOL, I corrected it. I type with one finger & I was typing for well over an hour. My finger was tired.





Jing-Jing won't accept THAT excuse!
:D

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 12:22 AM
"shockzilla" wrote:


Wow. I guess I really didn't see this coming, but I haven't been on the site as much lately as I'd like.

OK, here's my two cents worth.

As far as new members go, I have been guilty of treating some poorly, but I feel that those have been few and far between. I have tried to welcome new members and treat them as I was treated when I was new - with respect and patience. This site has been growing by leaps and bounds, and there are no signs of it slowing down. I think a lot of what we have been experiencing have been growing pains, Things are bound to change as time marches on. We have been blessed with membership that, for the most part, treats everyone as well as can be expected. Like any site, we have some people that join that just don't get it - they'll post anything they want no matter how stupid or inane it might be.

And again that's where the mods come in, myself included. I think we have been fair, and have for 98% of the time treated people well, and have flamed people when they deserve it. A lot of you have said the same things - with our growth we're bound to get duplicate threads more and more often - it's natural, I think. And as far as the lack or perceived lack of Vikings and football-related threads, I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to that - I think a good 85% of my posts fall into the Clubhouse forum.

Anyway, I think this is a COMMUNITY, and people in the real world talk about every day life and other things that happen - not just Vikings football. But the GREAT thing about this place is, Vikings Football is the ONE thing that EVERYONE here has in common - no matter what race, no matter what religion, no matter what occupation, no matter what age. We are here for ONE thing: our love of the Vikings. Everything else we talk about falls into place around that. And I LOVE this place because of it. It allows me to talk about things OTHER than the Vikings if I want, no questions asked.

I think it's good that these issues and questions have been raised - intelligent discussion has always been a hallmark of this place. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and the great this is we can agree to disagree. Just let's not let things get out of hand and let's treat people, new AND old, with respect and dignity.

That's all I got.


DEAD ON, SHOCK!!!!
YOU DA MAN!!! (and not a bad karaoke singer either!)
;)

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 12:29 AM
"V-Unit" wrote:


IMO duplicates and hijacked threads are the same argument.

Having a large number of posters on any board leads to threads that stay on topic for a shorter period of time. I'll use the classic Brad Johnson thread as an example.

Even if we assume the first post is solid, the topic will be swayed (probably within the first 3 pages) by a good post (ex. the receivers need to run deeper routes) or a bad post (ex. people who like BJ are idiots) Either way members who have something to say about BJ no longer want to post in this thread, because it really isn't about BJ anymore. It is now about receivers in the former case or a personal argument is the latter.

Yes the right thing to do may be to try to steer the thread back on topic, but that rarely works. Most logical people would think the right thing to do would be to start a new topic on BJ, since this one is dead.

So a duplicate is created, and that one is usually dead in 3 or 4 posts because an old timer has shown the link to the old thread and a mod has locked it within the first two pages (I am not trying to criticize, simply making an observation).

So now we have one thread that really isn't about the QB anymore (dead) and one thread that is locked (dead). The person wanting to talk about BJ feels he has nowhere to post his opinions, and yet another duplicate is made.

This happens all the time on all message boards. The solutions I can think of are:
1.? Have dedicated members who post based on subject and not the last post. Personally I don't like this one, it breaks the convention of a normal discussion and is too rigid. All good discussions flow.
2.? Actually lock the old thread when the second has started? I don't like this one either. Don't really think it would work and it would cause for fragmented conversations.
3. Merging threads - Obviously the best solution, but sometimes a merge still creates a break in the flow of discussion.

I'd like to reiterate that this happens on all message boards. I love the fact that we are actively seeking solutions.


Not YOU again!!!!
:D

Just kidding...this is ANOTHER great analysis.
I agree...the merge is the best route...ALTHOUGH we should be careful...sometimes the NEW thread is coming from a different angle.
I had one the other day that Ultra called me on...but I stuck by my guns and defended the fact that I had started it because I was coming from a different perspective.
I allowed that it could be merged if Ultra felt that he should...but he let it stand alone...which I felt was FAIR on his part...that he did look at it from my point of view and determine that my solution had as much merit as merging the two. The point being that the mods ARE fair in their assessments and don't just randomly merge threads and make unilateral decisions on a whim.
Regarding the "hijacking" of threads, I have found that you can steer the conversation back if you make a post that goes a little more in depth about the original topic and gives the next posters something to hang their hats on and furthers the debate.

PacNWVike
10-17-2006, 03:04 AM
A very interesting debate, and thanks for soliciting our opinions Webby.
I've read many, many valid points and must admit some of the sore spots (dup posts/hijackings) don't really bother me.
What I tend to do is check the "Show new replies to your posts" and then scan each forum for interesting topics.
Over time I've found topics started by (IMHO) knowledgable members catch my eye more than others.
Del, Caine, Cajun, Webby, Shock, and some others always have well though out posts...
some even a bit witty! (Except Benz cruising Barristers...
:P)

I guess what I see as a root cause to most of the complaints is the age, maturity, computer savy and civility of the posting member.
And you all see how these points can be interrelated.
Some "kids" (or adults) will never figure out the rules.
But some will with gentle PMs from the Mods.

Some kids (and old guys like me) can be influenced by one of you veterans when you don't flame him for an obviously innane statement, but gently point out why his logic doesn't make sense and explain your point of view.
Sometimes what is obvious to some of us is over the head of the 14 year old who is tickled purple he is on a Viking board.
Impart some wisdom on them.
Some will benefit by the advice provided by the oldtimers and some won't.
There is an "ignore" button option.
Use it.

If a person is posting personal attacks, the Mods should address the issue via PM.
We all can lob barbs at each other in good taste and humor, but you also see some nasty comments.
Again, perhaps some of our younger members don't understand some of the subtlties I see posted and respond inappropriately.
They can be warned by the Mods, and perhaps Cajun's practice of smoothing feathers via PMs should be used by others.
That too could be an education process for the youngsters. Of course, I do enjoy baiting and flaming chessediks, but I also acknowledge their few and far between good points.
Civility.
BTW, what ever happened to Inferior00BarFly?

Webby's idea of the rating system is interesting, and I also like the warning system.
I believe if there is a problem, report it to the Mod and let them do their job.

The culture of the board will always change a bit due to the high volume of visits and new members.
But it's Webby, the Mods and the veterans who post here that make this board what it is: The best Viking board on the net. This is quite a compliment to PPO.


Well, it's O:Dark Thirty out here on the Left Coast so my ramblings probably don't make sense.
At any rate, I'm glad to me a HOF member and appreciate all of your posts.
SKOL!

AngloVike
10-17-2006, 04:02 AM
Ok time for me to put my two pennyworth in on this, though reading through a lot of what I would say has already been said.

Given that the site is growing then the proportion of posters that want to come in and stir things up will also increase - that unfortunately will never change and so it is down to the Mods and regular members to identify and encourage them to modify their ways. If they don't or won't then they should get bounced but only after being given the opportunity to amend their ways. Going down that line means that all newbies should be given the benefit of the doubt and treated with respect until they show otherwise. That means that they should be posting more than one inflammatory or derogatory post before people start jumping on them

I know that certain other sites try to say that PP.O is more of a teen site where members spend their time chatting about anything else apart from football. Of course we know different but maybe that aspect isn't coming through enough to weed out the posters that are more geared to non-football discussion. So I'd maybe say that the 'Latest Talk' only shows the last 10 topics in the 'Vikings and football talk' boards, the 'Free Beer' and also the 'Help' boards. That would cover the boards that people would expect for a site like this, from there posters could then look around the site to see what else there is. So it means that there is some emphasis on them to look around and see what the site has to offer.

The boards are what the members that come here have made them but that does not mean that they should never change. As more people come in then they will bring subtle changes with them. When you look at boards from when they first started to the present then they are unrecognisable. So we need to allow the newbies time to develop and see what they can bring to the site as undoubtably some can offer things.

The idea of thread rating is something I haven't come across before but I'm open to see if it could work here and maybe it would help knock off any threads that clearly are not what we'd expect for here. That way the person starting or trying to prolong it could see that they're not getting anyway with the membership and then either change the way they are posting or just ship out altogether.

One other problem that we'll always come across on the board is that we have a group of members that are more 'senior' in terms of time on the board and obviously know each other well. With comes lots on in-jokes, banter etc between people but can lead to newer members getting confused, as they sometimes misinterpret what is meant with some posts. For example Cajun and myself will rag on each other regarding spelling - or his lack of :-) - but newer members might take offence at what is written and jump in. See what I'm getting at?
so basically us more senior members have to be a little more careful as to what we post and allow for the fact that the others may not be used to our style or sense of humour

In all though we have a great board and community here and I'm sure that it will continue that way, just allow for the odd hiccup along the way.

singersp
10-17-2006, 06:15 AM
"V-Unit" wrote:


My two cents.

I hate that Bill Murray thing. For new posters it makes a very bad impression and is a very elitist thing. Some duplicate posters are flamers, but others simply don't know the rules yet. IMO its very offensive to open up your first new thread on this board, expecting a solid discussion on your topic, and instead get some dumb clock with people laughing at you.


2. Even though I have HOF status, I have no idea what people on this board think of me. That is why I strongly reccomend a rating system that is frequently used by anybody who cares about the well being of this site IN A FAIR WAY. Good newcomers will feel much more welcome when they have high approval rating or they will respond to a bad rating by trying to create a more intelligent post. Those who whine about their bad rating are the ones we don't want on this board.

I don't think the Bill Murray clock or the mention of a duplicate thread is offensive. It's just a message letting them know it is all ready being discussed. Perhaps Prophets clock should have pointed them to the thread that already is being discussed like mine do, instead of the "Posting 101 film" & in many cases I believe he did add the link, but they also need to be educated on forum etique which the video shows..

Are peoples egos that fragile?

IMO, It's the follow up comments after that, that may make them feel a little insecure about posting.

After reading your first paragraph, I'm surprised you agree with the rating system though.

IMO, a person can probably feel more unwanted easier by receiving a ton of negative ratings if he does the same thing. Especially when he doesn't know who they are coming from or who to "Ignore".

The rating system won't give a reason behind why the negative rating was given so the author is left wondering why he received it & it might deter him from posting again.

The duplicate thread reminder, may deter them from starting a new thread or at least to start looking before they do so, but I don't think it will deter them from posting other comments.

I feel a rating system will.

mr.woo
10-17-2006, 08:41 AM
i think we should make a high counvil of pp.p.o 'ers that vote on all the happenings going on. i know it will never happen but i think it would be cool to be call High Councilmen Woo

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 08:58 AM
"AngloVike" wrote:


Ok time for me to put my two pennyworth in on this, though reading through a lot of what I would say has already been said.

Given that the site is growing then the proportion of posters that want to come in and stir things up will also increase - that unfortunately will never change and so it is down to the Mods and regular members to identify and encourage them to modify their ways. If they don't or won't then they should get bounced but only after being given the opportunity to amend their ways. Going down that line means that all newbies should be given the benefit of the doubt and treated with respect until they show otherwise. That means that they should be posting more than one inflammatory or derogatory post before people start jumping on them

I know that certain other sites try to say that PP.O is more of a teen site where members spend their time chatting about anything else apart from football. Of course we know different but maybe that aspect isn't coming through enough to weed out the posters that are more geared to non-football discussion. So I'd maybe say that the 'Latest Talk' only shows the last 10 topics in the 'Vikings and football talk' boards, the 'Free Beer' and also the 'Help' boards. That would cover the boards that people would expect for a site like this, from there posters could then look around the site to see what else there is. So it means that there is some emphasis on them to look around and see what the site has to offer.

The boards are what the members that come here have made them but that does not mean that they should never change. As more people come in then they will bring subtle changes with them. When you look at boards from when they first started to the present then they are unrecognisable. So we need to allow the newbies time to develop and see what they can bring to the site as undoubtably some can offer things.

The idea of thread rating is something I haven't come across before but I'm open to see if it could work here and maybe it would help knock off any threads that clearly are not what we'd expect for here. That way the person starting or trying to prolong it could see that they're not getting anyway with the membership and then either change the way they are posting or just ship out altogether.

One other problem that we'll always come across on the board is that we have a group of members that are more 'senior' in terms of time on the board and obviously know each other well. With comes lots on in-jokes, banter etc between people but can lead to newer members getting confused, as they sometimes misinterpret what is meant with some posts. For example Cajun and myself will rag on each other regarding spelling - or his lack of :-) - but newer members might take offence at what is written and jump in. See what I'm getting at?
so basically us more senior members have to be a little more careful as to what we post and allow for the fact that the others may not be used to our style or sense of humour

In all though we have a great board and community here and I'm sure that it will continue that way, just allow for the odd hiccup along the way.


I take offense at your lack of understanding of how offense is spelled HERE!!!
:D

You could at least humor us when you are HERE by spelling the words "USA correct"!!!
:D

Zeus
10-17-2006, 09:05 AM
Okay - no 2-year-old now, just a bunch of infantile 42-year-olds.
None of them are on my lap, so I can toss together a couple more thoughts.

As I noted - this forum currently has more civility in it than any other forum, web-based or NNTP-based, than any other I have been a part of since the early days of usenet.
I have been a part of large communities where you learned to care about the people, meet them at events, become friends, exchange Christmas cards - even a wedding or two (including a couple who met on rec.autos.sport.nascar (RASN!) who got married the start/finish line of Charlotte Motor Speedway).

And I saw the downfall of several of those, with my eventual quiet departure (I don't do the "Goodbye, Cruel World!" posts) when civil discourse (and light flaming, when necessary) gave way to outright anarchy and the types of flame wars that saw the law get involved in the real world.


PP.O. is already very strong as a community because of several things:
* A good, strong leader who has a consistent vision and who is actively involved without being a Commandant
* "Personalities" who post everywhere and believe in what the leader is doing
* Mods who also buy the vision and do their job (although I do think we could use some more) without being nasty about it
* A common shared love of the Vikings

And now comes the next stage.
The step was taken to nationalize the brand by getting PP.O listed on the SI site.
Now we're going to get more newbies, trolls from other teams and such.
Inevitably, with this influx of new folks, there will be hiccups.
There will be venom and there will be hurt feelings.
As this happens, it is important for Webby to remain Webby, Personalities like Caj, Shock, Del, TNT, WBL, etc. to be themselves, the mods to show the steady and consistent hand and for ALL of us to remember that, even when dealing with non-Vikings fans, we all love football.


A wise man once many years ago posted that a newsgroup (or web-forum) is like a cocktail party.
There will be conversations to drift into and out of, depending on whether or not you think what is being said is interesting and worthy of your time.
Treat it as such and remember that you're dealing with real people.

I like to type responses, stop and re-read them to make sure that what I have written is exactly what I want to say.
Even with smilies, there isn't any tone in the letters on the screen.
Things can easily be mis-interpreted.

As to solutions to the problems, well, I don't like anything which moves the discussion from the open forums to an "exclusive" place.
That breads jealousy and contempt and nothing but bad feelings.

I like the idea of signing up and then having a one or two-week period when either all posts which are made are reviewed before it is posted (to check the style and coach) or the newbie cannot post.

I like the idea of ONLY being able to see certain "Welcome to the Site" and "Here are our Rules" posts when you first sign on.
If there was a way to make that so that the regular forums aren't shown until those posts are read, that would be ideal.

Finally - do not underestimate the posting sk33lz of the 14 and 15-year-old who may join the site.
Most likely, they could all teach the most veteran posters here a thing or two about how to use the interface.
They are used to posting on forums with other like-aged people where the expectations for conduct and grammar (and spelling) are very different.


I think that's about all I have to say about that.

Glad to be here,
=Z=

Zeus
10-17-2006, 09:08 AM
"singersp" wrote:


I don't think the Bill Murray clock or the mention of a duplicate thread is offensive. It's just a message letting them know it is all ready being discussed. Perhaps Prophets clock should have pointed them to the thread that already is being discussed like mine do, instead of the "Posting 101 film" & in many cases I believe he did add the link, but they also need to be educated on forum etique which the video shows..

Are peoples egos that fragile?


Yes they are.
The internet is, by nature, a singular pursuit, so you're dealing with people on the other end who are, likely, sitting alone in a room with a TV on, perhaps, waiting to see a response to something important or meaningful which they have taken the time to share with others.


=Z=

Del Rio
10-17-2006, 09:27 AM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


I don't think the Bill Murray clock or the mention of a duplicate thread is offensive. It's just a message letting them know it is all ready being discussed. Perhaps Prophets clock should have pointed them to the thread that already is being discussed like mine do, instead of the "Posting 101 film" & in many cases I believe he did add the link, but they also need to be educated on forum etique which the video shows..

Are peoples egos that fragile?


Yes they are.
The internet is, by nature, a singular pursuit, so you're dealing with people on the other end who are, likely, sitting alone in a room with a TV on, perhaps, waiting to see a response to something important or meaningful which they have taken the time to share with others.


=Z=


LMAO, sitting alone in a room with the TV on. I bet the sun cooks their pasty asses too.

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 09:54 AM
"AWZeus" wrote:


Okay - no 2-year-old now, just a bunch of infantile 42-year-olds.
None of them are on my lap, so I can toss together a couple more thoughts.

As I noted - this forum currently has more civility in it than any other forum, web-based or NNTP-based, than any other I have been a part of since the early days of usenet.
I have been a part of large communities where you learned to care about the people, meet them at events, become friends, exchange Christmas cards - even a wedding or two (including a couple who met on rec.autos.sport.nascar (RASN!) who got married the start/finish line of Charlotte Motor Speedway).

And I saw the downfall of several of those, with my eventual quiet departure (I don't do the "Goodbye, Cruel World!" posts) when civil discourse (and light flaming, when necessary) gave way to outright anarchy and the types of flame wars that saw the law get involved in the real world.


PP.O. is already very strong as a community because of several things:
* A good, strong leader who has a consistent vision and who is actively involved without being a Commandant
* "Personalities" who post everywhere and believe in what the leader is doing
* Mods who also buy the vision and do their job (although I do think we could use some more) without being nasty about it
* A common shared love of the Vikings

And now comes the next stage.
The step was taken to nationalize the brand by getting PP.O listed on the SI site.
Now we're going to get more newbies, trolls from other teams and such.
Inevitably, with this influx of new folks, there will be hiccups.
There will be venom and there will be hurt feelings.
As this happens, it is important for Webby to remain Webby, Personalities like Caj, Shock, Del, TNT, WBL, etc. to be themselves, the mods to show the steady and consistent hand and for ALL of us to remember that, even when dealing with non-Vikings fans, we all love football.


A wise man once many years ago posted that a newsgroup (or web-forum) is like a cocktail party.
There will be conversations to drift into and out of, depending on whether or not you think what is being said is interesting and worthy of your time.
Treat it as such and remember that you're dealing with real people.

I like to type responses, stop and re-read them to make sure that what I have written is exactly what I want to say.
Even with smilies, there isn't any tone in the letters on the screen.
Things can easily be mis-interpreted.

As to solutions to the problems, well, I don't like anything which moves the discussion from the open forums to an "exclusive" place.
That breads jealousy and contempt and nothing but bad feelings.

I like the idea of signing up and then having a one or two-week period when either all posts which are made are reviewed before it is posted (to check the style and coach) or the newbie cannot post.

I like the idea of ONLY being able to see certain "Welcome to the Site" and "Here are our Rules" posts when you first sign on.
If there was a way to make that so that the regular forums aren't shown until those posts are read, that would be ideal.

Finally - do not underestimate the posting sk33lz of the 14 and 15-year-old who may join the site.
Most likely, they could all teach the most veteran posters here a thing or two about how to use the interface.
They are used to posting on forums with other like-aged people where the expectations for conduct and grammar (and spelling) are very different.


I think that's about all I have to say about that.

Glad to be here,
=Z=


Good take...although I think that this thread IS better off in the HOF forum...INITIALLY...so that we can hash through the issues without TOO MUCH diverse input.
Eventually, once we have whittled down the ideas presented here to a MANAGEABLE amount, Webby should start a NEW thread presenting these ideas (as HIS suggestions, not the pronouncements of the ELITE HOFers) to the rest of the board.
We should join in on this thread and give our input accordingly (NOT referring to what was discussed here...this thread need not be common knowledge to the board at large).

MOST IMPORTANTLY, what Zeus said about reading your post before you actually POST it is crucial...think about the reactions that you may get before you post it.
Sometimes, it is better to delete it and start all over than to put it out there.
I am slowly learning that this is the case sometimes.

RK.
10-17-2006, 12:14 PM
Just a 1 cent post.

I have been on boards which use a rating system and I have to tell you that it was almost immediately abused.
I don't think they are all that valuable for deciding whether a thread has merit or not.
Case in point how would you rate the "Thread about nothing" post in here.
Pages about nothing.
Still it had a value during the off season though its merit may not be immediately discernible to the new member.
On the other hand a literacy rating might be of value for grading spelling and grammar.
;D

Del Rio
10-17-2006, 12:19 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


Okay - no 2-year-old now, just a bunch of infantile 42-year-olds.
None of them are on my lap, so I can toss together a couple more thoughts.

As I noted - this forum currently has more civility in it than any other forum, web-based or NNTP-based, than any other I have been a part of since the early days of usenet.
I have been a part of large communities where you learned to care about the people, meet them at events, become friends, exchange Christmas cards - even a wedding or two (including a couple who met on rec.autos.sport.nascar (RASN!) who got married the start/finish line of Charlotte Motor Speedway).

And I saw the downfall of several of those, with my eventual quiet departure (I don't do the "Goodbye, Cruel World!" posts) when civil discourse (and light flaming, when necessary) gave way to outright anarchy and the types of flame wars that saw the law get involved in the real world.


PP.O. is already very strong as a community because of several things:
* A good, strong leader who has a consistent vision and who is actively involved without being a Commandant
* "Personalities" who post everywhere and believe in what the leader is doing
* Mods who also buy the vision and do their job (although I do think we could use some more) without being nasty about it
* A common shared love of the Vikings

And now comes the next stage.
The step was taken to nationalize the brand by getting PP.O listed on the SI site.
Now we're going to get more newbies, trolls from other teams and such.
Inevitably, with this influx of new folks, there will be hiccups.
There will be venom and there will be hurt feelings.
As this happens, it is important for Webby to remain Webby, Personalities like Caj, Shock, Del, TNT, WBL, etc. to be themselves, the mods to show the steady and consistent hand and for ALL of us to remember that, even when dealing with non-Vikings fans, we all love football.


A wise man once many years ago posted that a newsgroup (or web-forum) is like a cocktail party.
There will be conversations to drift into and out of, depending on whether or not you think what is being said is interesting and worthy of your time.
Treat it as such and remember that you're dealing with real people.

I like to type responses, stop and re-read them to make sure that what I have written is exactly what I want to say.
Even with smilies, there isn't any tone in the letters on the screen.
Things can easily be mis-interpreted.

As to solutions to the problems, well, I don't like anything which moves the discussion from the open forums to an "exclusive" place.
That breads jealousy and contempt and nothing but bad feelings.

I like the idea of signing up and then having a one or two-week period when either all posts which are made are reviewed before it is posted (to check the style and coach) or the newbie cannot post.

I like the idea of ONLY being able to see certain "Welcome to the Site" and "Here are our Rules" posts when you first sign on.
If there was a way to make that so that the regular forums aren't shown until those posts are read, that would be ideal.

Finally - do not underestimate the posting sk33lz of the 14 and 15-year-old who may join the site.
Most likely, they could all teach the most veteran posters here a thing or two about how to use the interface.
They are used to posting on forums with other like-aged people where the expectations for conduct and grammar (and spelling) are very different.


I think that's about all I have to say about that.

Glad to be here,
=Z=


Good take...although I think that this thread IS better off in the HOF forum...INITIALLY...so that we can hash through the issues without TOO MUCH diverse input.
Eventually, once we have whittled down the ideas presented here to a MANAGEABLE amount, Webby should start a NEW thread presenting these ideas (as HIS suggestions, not the pronouncements of the ELITE HOFers) to the rest of the board.
We should join in on this thread and give our input accordingly (NOT referring to what was discussed here...this thread need not be common knowledge to the board at large).

MOST IMPORTANTLY, what Zeus said about reading your post before you actually POST it is crucial...think about the reactions that you may get before you post it.
Sometimes, it is better to delete it and start all over than to put it out there.
I am slowly learning that this is the case sometimes.


We are always going to be limited to words. I subscribe to posting what you think and leaving it at that.

I can't sit and re-read my post 7000 times trying to figure out how each member will react to it.

Del Rio
10-17-2006, 12:22 PM
I have to agree with RK on this one. Look how many people have hurt e-feelings over there being cliques and members who get more attention. You add the abilty for the boys club to pat each other on the back even more it may just give people one more thing to feel left out of and hurt.

Should we be getting paid by Dr. Phil for this?

Webby
10-17-2006, 12:38 PM
"Del" wrote:


I have to agree with RK on this one. Look how many people have hurt e-feelings over there being cliques and members who get more attention. You add the abilty for the boys club to pat each other on the back even more it may just give people one more thing to feel left out of and hurt.

Should we be getting paid by Dr. Phil for this?


We know, you don't like people and think anyone who spends a moment of introspection to be suspect.
LOL

But the rest of us who try to get along in a society of our peers find merit in the discussion about keeping the community healthy.
Who
would you smack down if there was noone left?


;D
Just fucking with ya.

Yeah, we can leave off the thread rating idea, or just try it in one spot maybe.
Great commentary here, all great points....lots of constructive things I see I can do and also ask for help on....

Del Rio
10-17-2006, 12:53 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I have to agree with RK on this one. Look how many people have hurt e-feelings over there being cliques and members who get more attention. You add the abilty for the boys club to pat each other on the back even more it may just give people one more thing to feel left out of and hurt.

Should we be getting paid by Dr. Phil for this?


We know, you don't like people and think anyone who spends a moment of introspection to be suspect.
LOL


But the rest of us who try to get along in a society of our peers find merit in the discussion about keeping the community healthy.

Who
would you smack down if there was noone left?


;D

Just fricken with ya.

Yeah, we can leave off the thread rating idea, or just try it in one spot maybe.

Great commentary here, all great points....lots of constructive things I see I can do and also ask for help on....


I get along fine with most people. I just don't see a reason to sugar coat anything, and if I start now then when does it stop? There is only one person in this world that is worth kissing jiggly butt to and that is my wife.

I don't think it is a bad idea to discuss community. I mean it's the bye week, might as well do some therapy sessions on a football site.
;D

Introspection alone is valid, introspection + Sweatervest is suspect.

RK.
10-17-2006, 01:00 PM
"Del" wrote:



I get along fine with most people. I just don't see a reason to sugar coat anything, and if I start now then when does it stop? There is only one person in this world that is worth kissing jiggly butt to and that is my wife.

I don't think it is a bad idea to discuss community. I mean it's the bye week, might as well do some therapy sessions on a football site.
;D

Boy, you give him a microphone and suddenly he is Mr Hardass.
You just need to get back in touch with your inner child Del.
Remember you have a feminine side too.
At least that is what I have heard if the camping stories are true.
:P
;D

Del Rio
10-17-2006, 01:06 PM
"RK." wrote:


"Del" wrote:



I get along fine with most people. I just don't see a reason to sugar coat anything, and if I start now then when does it stop? There is only one person in this world that is worth kissing jiggly butt to and that is my wife.

I don't think it is a bad idea to discuss community. I mean it's the bye week, might as well do some therapy sessions on a football site.
;D

Boy, you give him a microphone and suddenly he is Mr Hardass.
You just need to get back in touch with your inner child Del.
Remember you have a feminine side too.

At least that is what I have heard if the camping stories are true.
:P

;D


Them stories are private RK, you said you could keep a secret. Besides your only feminine if your not the one giving.

RK.
10-17-2006, 01:54 PM
"Del" wrote:



Them stories are private RK, you said you could keep a secret. Besides your only feminine if your not the one giving.

Sorry Del.
Cajun told me he was the giving one.
I should have known that he always exaggerates the size of his roll in these things.
My bad.
;D

Del Rio
10-17-2006, 01:56 PM
"RK." wrote:


"Del" wrote:



Them stories are private RK, you said you could keep a secret. Besides your only feminine if your not the one giving.

Sorry Del.
Cajun told me he was the giving one.
I should have known that he always exaggerates the size of his roll in these things.
My bad.

;D


Cajun is like 5'2 he couldn't reach with a step latter, you know better then to believe him.

Del Rio
10-17-2006, 02:18 PM
This is an example of thread hijacking and I only did it to make a point LMAO! ;D

NONE OF THAT, now proceed with improving community my apologies.

RK.
10-17-2006, 02:25 PM
"Del" wrote:


This is an example of thread hijacking and I only did it to make a point LMAO! ;D

NONE OF THAT, now proceed with improving community my apologies.

Me Too!!
Me Too.
;D

You are right we don't want the size of Cajuns roll hijacking yet another thread.
;D

On to more serious things that can have a measurable impact.

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 02:40 PM
"RK." wrote:


"Del" wrote:


This is an example of thread hijacking and I only did it to make a point LMAO! ;D

NONE OF THAT, now proceed with improving community my apologies.

Me Too!!
Me Too.
;D

You are right we don't want the size of Cajuns roll hijacking yet another thread.
;D

On to more serious things that can have a measurable impact.


Alright, you couple of "jackers"...or do you prefer the term "whackers"?
:D

ultravikingfan
10-17-2006, 02:42 PM
"Del" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I have to agree with RK on this one. Look how many people have hurt e-feelings over there being cliques and members who get more attention. You add the abilty for the boys club to pat each other on the back even more it may just give people one more thing to feel left out of and hurt.

Should we be getting paid by Dr. Phil for this?


We know, you don't like people and think anyone who spends a moment of introspection to be suspect.
LOL


But the rest of us who try to get along in a society of our peers find merit in the discussion about keeping the community healthy.

Who
would you smack down if there was noone left?


;D

Just fricken with ya.

Yeah, we can leave off the thread rating idea, or just try it in one spot maybe.

Great commentary here, all great points....lots of constructive things I see I can do and also ask for help on....


I get along fine with most people. I just don't see a reason to sugar coat anything, and if I start now then when does it stop? There is only one person in this world that is worth kissing jiggly butt to and that is my wife.

I don't think it is a bad idea to discuss community. I mean it's the bye week, might as well do some therapy sessions on a football site.
;D

Introspection alone is valid, introspection + Sweatervest is suspect.


Sweatervest...LMAO!
Its a hiking vest!!!!

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 02:47 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I have to agree with RK on this one. Look how many people have hurt e-feelings over there being cliques and members who get more attention. You add the abilty for the boys club to pat each other on the back even more it may just give people one more thing to feel left out of and hurt.

Should we be getting paid by Dr. Phil for this?


We know, you don't like people and think anyone who spends a moment of introspection to be suspect.
LOL


But the rest of us who try to get along in a society of our peers find merit in the discussion about keeping the community healthy.

Who
would you smack down if there was noone left?


;D

Just fricken with ya.

Yeah, we can leave off the thread rating idea, or just try it in one spot maybe.

Great commentary here, all great points....lots of constructive things I see I can do and also ask for help on....


I get along fine with most people. I just don't see a reason to sugar coat anything, and if I start now then when does it stop? There is only one person in this world that is worth kissing jiggly butt to and that is my wife.

I don't think it is a bad idea to discuss community. I mean it's the bye week, might as well do some therapy sessions on a football site.
;D

Introspection alone is valid, introspection + Sweatervest is suspect.


Sweatervest...LMAO!
Its a hiking vest!!!!


Who cares WHAT KIND of vest?
Unless it's a HUNTING vest, you might as well trade in your pecker for a mangina!
:D

whackthepack
10-17-2006, 02:55 PM
Wow that was a long thread to read!

Just a few things to add and hope I don't offend anybody!

V-Unit the thread you are referring to was not lets not let V unit in the Hall of fame it was let's raise the level of hall of Famer to 2,000 posts instead of 1,200.
It was not intended to hurt you and in the discussion it was said that anybody that had already reached the hall would be left so nobody said kick out V-Unit out of the Hall of Famer forum!




I like to argue about football and it is the reason I come here and I do check out the other threads but mostly like this site for the football talk and discussion!
But I am like Del I don't sugarcoat my posts and probably should try more to be less argumentative and try explaining than bashing!

Which that brings me to the reason for my post in the 1st place, maybe the old timers and me being one of them have to learn to be more tolerant to new posters and the new posters that are not football wonks (for kfan listeners) and maybe we need to educate them (new posters) more than bash them with statistics (which I have a tendency to do) maybe we should tell them about sites that have stats for them to check their theories out or sites that have basic football knowledge for them to learn more about football and give them better material for their discussions.

I am not blaming anyone and I am one of the worst at it and I sometimes take posting to seriously and other times I post things to be a devils advocate and get responses from certain posters, but i will try and change and if we get more conversation going and maybe we find more Prophet's, Singer's, Del's, cajun's, TNT's, V-Unit's and the whole lot of you.
When I joined I could hold my own because I was a little more thick skinned and I let it roll off my back but our job as old timers should be to make the new posters at home and to make their posting here more enjoyable!

So I will try (except troll packer and bear fans) and make them more welcome and to help them around the site if I can.



One other thing on the Vikings forum their are 6 pinned posts that take up the top half of the 1st page and 3 are for new posters about starting thread and rules and so forth, can we make that into one thread or have a separate forum like Pillage and Plunder or like weekly Opponent Talk so that it lists more threads on the 1st page.
Maybe we could have a newbie / Site news forum and have the site maintenance and updates in their instead of at the top of the Vikings forum

Caine
10-17-2006, 03:38 PM
Wow, I feel like the old grumpy guy in the DirecTV commercials now.
"In my day, we were verbally abused until we fit in...and we liked it, Nancy Boy!!"

I stated previously that I was leery of rating systems..and I still am.
Primarily because we cannot control the level of maturity of those rating the posts.
Sure, some of us while give honest opinions on a posts merit, but others will simply rate in the extreme (Either positive or negative), and may do so based upon who posted it (i.e. I'm mad at Del Rio so I slam all of his posts).

I'm also leery of anytime anyone starts pushing the "We all have to be kinder and gentler" line.
Why?
As I said before, I seldom attack people (Except Bono), but I always attack stupidity.
If you don't want your feelings hurt, don't post stupid things.
Now, I try very hard to limit my assaults to the topic itself, but there is a limit to what can be conveyed in print.

See, what I DON'T want to see is a kumbya singing, tree-hugging, hand holding, Stewart Smalley attitude to pervade this website.
That's not who we are, that's not who we've ever been.
I especially get queesy when people start using the terms "respect and dignity" together.

To me, respect must be EARNED.
There is no short cut, and it should never be automatically granted just because you're a new poster.
Dignity...well...that's something you either have or you don't.
I try not to gutter dive in my posts
- and sometimes it's quite a struggle not to - but that's not because I give a rat's behind about the targets feelings, it's because of how I choose to portray myself here.

Internet annonimity is a beautiful thing.
Very few people know what I look like here, so to the masses, I could either be a physical terror, just waiting to rip off their heads and defecate in their chest cavity, or a pencil necked geek, hiding in my Mom's basement and talking tough because I finished Doom 3 without saving.
And, of course no one in their right mind EVER portrays themselves as a loser nerd who has never had intimate knowledge of a non-related member of the opposite sex without having to give a credit card number, so we have a swarm of internet tough guys to contend with.

Sorry, I have no respect for that.


I also have no respect for anyone who can't support their opinions with some form of verifiable fact.
To post something like, "Johnson sucks and he's always sucked...he should be benched" is just inviting me - and others - to tear you a new one...and often results in exactly that.
And it SHOULD!!
That's not to say taht opinions aren't ever allowed, simply taht unsupported opinions will be challanged, and often by people who are diametrically opposed to that opinion.
If you can't handle that concept, then you shouldn't be posting anywhere, ever, for any reason.

Singer asked a few pages back, if peoples egos were that fragile...yes they are.
And it's unfortunate.
But it is not our responsibility to safeguard those egos.
That's an unrealistic expectation.
Unless, of course, you want a website filed with nothing but marshmellow fluff and sugar canes.
I don't.

I came here because I followed a "Packers suck" link.
I stayed because this crowd had an edge and a passion for the Vikings.
Don't change that.

Sure, some will find this place too abrasive for their tastes and go elsewhere.
Fine.
But by keeping that edge and that passion, we attract the kind of people we would want to have a beer with.
Through this site, I have already met a handful of great people personally - Shockzilla, AngloVike and his wife, Singer, and Ned
- as well as a couple whom I met in passing.
I love the interaction of many of the personalities here...and if newbies are jealous of that, then they need to stick around long enough for people to get to know them.


This isn't about being elitist, this is about taking the time to develop connections and relationships.

So, while I'm all for gutter slamers being spanked - regardless of who they are - there is no way I'm ever going to coddle an idiot just because he's new.


Caine

Webby
10-17-2006, 03:43 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I have to agree with RK on this one. Look how many people have hurt e-feelings over there being cliques and members who get more attention. You add the abilty for the boys club to pat each other on the back even more it may just give people one more thing to feel left out of and hurt.

Should we be getting paid by Dr. Phil for this?


We know, you don't like people and think anyone who spends a moment of introspection to be suspect.
LOL


But the rest of us who try to get along in a society of our peers find merit in the discussion about keeping the community healthy.

Who
would you smack down if there was noone left?


;D

Just fricken with ya.

Yeah, we can leave off the thread rating idea, or just try it in one spot maybe.

Great commentary here, all great points....lots of constructive things I see I can do and also ask for help on....


I get along fine with most people. I just don't see a reason to sugar coat anything, and if I start now then when does it stop? There is only one person in this world that is worth kissing jiggly butt to and that is my wife.

I don't think it is a bad idea to discuss community. I mean it's the bye week, might as well do some therapy sessions on a football site.
;D

Introspection alone is valid, introspection + Sweatervest is suspect.


Sweatervest...LMAO!
Its a hiking vest!!!!


It's actually a jacket with removable sleeves, but anything more than flannel and camoflage is lost on these chuckleheads.

Some of us are talented enough to work zippers.

I think that's how Webby Jr got here.
LOL

ultravikingfan
10-17-2006, 03:56 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I have to agree with RK on this one. Look how many people have hurt e-feelings over there being cliques and members who get more attention. You add the abilty for the boys club to pat each other on the back even more it may just give people one more thing to feel left out of and hurt.

Should we be getting paid by Dr. Phil for this?


We know, you don't like people and think anyone who spends a moment of introspection to be suspect.
LOL


But the rest of us who try to get along in a society of our peers find merit in the discussion about keeping the community healthy.

Who
would you smack down if there was noone left?


;D

Just fricken with ya.

Yeah, we can leave off the thread rating idea, or just try it in one spot maybe.

Great commentary here, all great points....lots of constructive things I see I can do and also ask for help on....


I get along fine with most people. I just don't see a reason to sugar coat anything, and if I start now then when does it stop? There is only one person in this world that is worth kissing jiggly butt to and that is my wife.

I don't think it is a bad idea to discuss community. I mean it's the bye week, might as well do some therapy sessions on a football site.
;D

Introspection alone is valid, introspection + Sweatervest is suspect.


Sweatervest...LMAO!
Its a hiking vest!!!!


It's actually a jacket with removable sleeves, but anything more than flannel and camoflage is lost on these chuckleheads.

Some of us are talented enough to work zippers.

I think that's how Webby Jr got here.

LOL


Dude, the only thing mechanically you can work is a keyboard!

Leave the sweaty balls
manly stuff to us!

:-*

Webby
10-17-2006, 04:10 PM
(begin rambling thoughts)

All good comments.
However, I don't know that its intellectually honest to say because we want to talk about ways to improve the community at large is akin to being some tree hugger I would like to stick a cleaver in.

Some of you apparently equate pro-active community health discussion with some desire to fill the place with bunny rabbits and easter eggs.

Remember, this place started as a Packers Suck home.
Nothing PC about it.

But helping to keep the community a good place to be is smarter than saying screw it, deal with it chumps.

If that was the case, I would have shut down the site years ago when I got pissed at stuff or every other day when I am tired of dealing with people's shit and insecurities and general whininess.

Self discipline is not thrown out the window just because its virtual here.
I exercise it daily here.
Again, this is about ideas, thoughts, and thank you for posting them.
I just want to make sure we keep this on track, and I think its doing very nicely.

I also think that these folks that say it would behoove us to be cognizant of how we treat newcomers and early stage PPO lifers deserve not to be tossed in the hippie crowd.
There is no good argument to say that if you shat on every newcomer all the time that they would roll with it and its okay.
(not saying that happens either, just rambling)

Ripping people that have it coming, that is always fun in my book.
Being rude to someone who made a mistake in good faith is not okay in my book.

As mods we see the same infraction over and over.
This is kinda why this discussion exists, how to better what we do, how to ask the leaders, eg you, to take on that role of leaders.
I could get pissed and toss shit at every person that did "x" infraction, but isn't it smarter to deal with it case by case?
As in, well this guy is always an idiot, so slap him stupid.
This guy here, though, fair mistake.
Gentle note, and all is better.

One example:
Thats where the league of complaints I get about the stupid Bill Murray or Prophets bikini chick thing comes in...
1) I think its funny, 2) I think idiot guy deserves it, 3) but I don't think fair mistake guy needs to be bludgeoned and ridiculed, which usually follows those types of posts.

All these are ideas being discussed, all with merit.
There will be no panacea obviously, or perfect solution.
I don't want one.
This is a community of individuals, each with a personality that we do not want to stifle.
I don't want Whack to be unable to lose his gourd and level someone as he is known to do; at the same time people look to us in leadership how to conduct themselves.

We do and will tee off on folks that need it.
We will gently correct others.
Some I will
just shake my head at and "ignore".

But having some discretion has a very large snowball effect when people see the uppers handling things well.

Which in general I think we do.
Most of you echo the same sentiment, things in general are pretty good here, but room for improvement if one wants to put in the effort.
I do as always.

So where o where is the bum-dusting, lovey holding hands in all this?
Nowhere that I can see.

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 04:24 PM
So...where do we go from here....now that all of the children are growing up...AND how do we spend our lives...if there's no one to lend us a hand (or is it...knowin' nobody gives us a damn)?

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 04:25 PM
"Webby" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"Webby" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I have to agree with RK on this one. Look how many people have hurt e-feelings over there being cliques and members who get more attention. You add the abilty for the boys club to pat each other on the back even more it may just give people one more thing to feel left out of and hurt.

Should we be getting paid by Dr. Phil for this?


We know, you don't like people and think anyone who spends a moment of introspection to be suspect.
LOL


But the rest of us who try to get along in a society of our peers find merit in the discussion about keeping the community healthy.

Who
would you smack down if there was noone left?


;D

Just fricken with ya.

Yeah, we can leave off the thread rating idea, or just try it in one spot maybe.

Great commentary here, all great points....lots of constructive things I see I can do and also ask for help on....


I get along fine with most people. I just don't see a reason to sugar coat anything, and if I start now then when does it stop? There is only one person in this world that is worth kissing jiggly butt to and that is my wife.

I don't think it is a bad idea to discuss community. I mean it's the bye week, might as well do some therapy sessions on a football site.
;D

Introspection alone is valid, introspection + Sweatervest is suspect.


Sweatervest...LMAO!
Its a hiking vest!!!!


It's actually a jacket with removable sleeves, but anything more than flannel and camoflage is lost on these chuckleheads.

Some of us are talented enough to work zippers.

I think that's how Webby Jr got here.

LOL


I assumed that Mrs. Webby helped you with the zippers!
:D

V-Unit
10-17-2006, 04:56 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:


V-Unit the thread you are referring to was not lets not let V unit in the Hall of fame it was let's raise the level of hall of Famer to 2,000 posts instead of 1,200.
It was not intended to hurt you and in the discussion it was said that anybody that had already reached the hall would be left so nobody said kick out V-Unit out of the Hall of Famer forum!


I in no way believed that that thread was a personal attack on me, but I still think the fact that such a conversation was going on was disappointing. It's very elitist to say, "I only had to post 1250 to get HOF status, but since you are new you have to post 2000."
It reminds me of Colonel Cathcart from Catch 22. Anyways that is a completely different subject, just know that I did not feel personally attacked whatsoever.

On Singer's points about the ratings, well he brings up some very good points. In end the I think the actual discussion in a thread is horribly ruined by comments like, "CCthebest, are you just a Moss fan? You seem to hate all other Vikings." Even though the question is a very good one, the thread is horribly ruined by it. IMO it would be much better to just give him a low rating rather than a discussion swaying response.

My perspective is different from many others here because I went through newbie phase while you were already HOFers but before the SI popularity. I got blasted for bad posts and even felt that some of my good posts were completely ignored, yet I stuck through it because I love the Vikings and love the discussions on this board. That being said, there are some HOFers who have been around for less time than I have. Personally I would love to here ejmat's or Lotzapurple's thoughts. People like them can give us the best idea of how a newbie views PPO.

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 05:28 PM
"V-Unit" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


V-Unit the thread you are referring to was not lets not let V unit in the Hall of fame it was let's raise the level of hall of Famer to 2,000 posts instead of 1,200.
It was not intended to hurt you and in the discussion it was said that anybody that had already reached the hall would be left so nobody said kick out V-Unit out of the Hall of Famer forum!


I in no way believed that that thread was a personal attack on me, but I still think the fact that such a conversation was going on was disappointing. It's very elitist to say, "I only had to post 1250 to get HOF status, but since you are new you have to post 2000."
It reminds me of Colonel Cathcart from Catch 22. Anyways that is a completely different subject, just know that I did not feel personally attacked whatsoever.

On Singer's points about the ratings, well he brings up some very good points. In end the I think the actual discussion in a thread is horribly ruined by comments like, "CCthebest, are you just a Moss fan? You seem to hate all other Vikings." Even though the question is a very good one, the thread is horribly ruined by it. IMO it would be much better to just give him a low rating rather than a discussion swaying response.

My perspective is different from many others here because I went through newbie phase while you were already HOFers but before the SI popularity. I got blasted for bad posts and even felt that some of my good posts were completely ignored, yet I stuck through it because I love the Vikings and love the discussions on this board. That being said, there are some HOFers who have been around for less time than I have. Personally I would love to here ejmat's or Lotzapurple's thoughts. People like them can give us the best idea of how a newbie views PPO.


Lotza has been around WAY LONGER than you have...LOL

Quick comment on the HOF level...the ONLY reason that we were even suggesting that it be changed is that WHEN Webby first set the levels, I don't think that he envisioned the level of posting that would be produced by posters here.
Heck, when I started two years ago the top poster was Hawaiianvike...and he had 2300 posts.
I now have 10 TIMES that and we went from just a few HOFers to a ton of them.
The thought (at least MY thought) was that the levels should be adjusted to reflect the unexpected proliferation of posts so that HOF meant a little more to ALL people here (without "cheating" those who had already gotten there)...trust me, those HOFers who would have been below the "new" HOF level would have probably busted their butts to get to the new level so that they wouldn't be criticized as having gotten grandfathered in...at least most of the ones that I know well would have.

Change is inevitable...and no one likes change when it affects them personally on a negative level.
BUT, we have to look at the longer-term picture here...so that this site will not be antiquated a year, five years, even ten years from now.
I think that Webby has done a magnificent job in this regard...for instance, even though many of us "old-timers" grumbled about the new format, we have all adjusted and have eventually gotten up to speed.
Let's all keep on pushing to make this site the ONE that all others are measured by...to do this, we will all need to rein in our idiosyncracies just a little bit...so that the end result is one that we can ALL be proud of!

Rock on, V-Unit!!!

P.S.
You get a taste of Texas 'tang yet?
;)

RK.
10-17-2006, 05:39 PM
"Caine" wrote:


Wow, I feel like the old grumpy guy in the DirecTV commercials now.
"In my day, we were verbally abused until we fit in...and we liked it, Nancy Boy!!"

I stated previously that I was leery of rating systems..and I still am.
Primarily because we cannot control the level of maturity of those rating the posts.
Sure, some of us while give honest opinions on a posts merit, but others will simply rate in the extreme (Either positive or negative), and may do so based upon who posted it (i.e. I'm mad at Del Rio so I slam all of his posts).

I'm also leery of anytime anyone starts pushing the "We all have to be kinder and gentler" line.
Why?
As I said before, I seldom attack people (Except Bono), but I always attack stupidity.
If you don't want your feelings hurt, don't post stupid things.
Now, I try very hard to limit my assaults to the topic itself, but there is a limit to what can be conveyed in print.

See, what I DON'T want to see is a kumbya singing, tree-hugging, hand holding, Stewart Smalley attitude to pervade this website.
That's not who we are, that's not who we've ever been.
I especially get queesy when people start using the terms "respect and dignity" together.

To me, respect must be EARNED.
There is no short cut, and it should never be automatically granted just because you're a new poster.
Dignity...well...that's something you either have or you don't.
I try not to gutter dive in my posts
- and sometimes it's quite a struggle not to - but that's not because I give a rat's behind about the targets feelings, it's because of how I choose to portray myself here.

Internet annonimity is a beautiful thing.
Very few people know what I look like here, so to the masses, I could either be a physical terror, just waiting to rip off their heads and defecate in their chest cavity, or a pencil necked geek, hiding in my Mom's basement and talking tough because I finished Doom 3 without saving.
And, of course no one in their right mind EVER portrays themselves as a loser nerd who has never had intimate knowledge of a non-related member of the opposite sex without having to give a credit card number, so we have a swarm of internet tough guys to contend with.

Sorry, I have no respect for that.


I also have no respect for anyone who can't support their opinions with some form of verifiable fact.
To post something like, "Johnson sucks and he's always sucked...he should be benched" is just inviting me - and others - to tear you a new one...and often results in exactly that.
And it SHOULD!!
That's not to say taht opinions aren't ever allowed, simply taht unsupported opinions will be challanged, and often by people who are diametrically opposed to that opinion.
If you can't handle that concept, then you shouldn't be posting anywhere, ever, for any reason.

Singer asked a few pages back, if peoples egos were that fragile...yes they are.
And it's unfortunate.
But it is not our responsibility to safeguard those egos.
That's an unrealistic expectation.
Unless, of course, you want a website filed with nothing but marshmellow fluff and sugar canes.
I don't.

I came here because I followed a "Packers suck" link.
I stayed because this crowd had an edge and a passion for the Vikings.
Don't change that.

Sure, some will find this place too abrasive for their tastes and go elsewhere.
Fine.
But by keeping that edge and that passion, we attract the kind of people we would want to have a beer with.
Through this site, I have already met a handful of great people personally - Shockzilla, AngloVike and his wife, Singer, and Ned
- as well as a couple whom I met in passing.
I love the interaction of many of the personalities here...and if newbies are jealous of that, then they need to stick around long enough for people to get to know them.


This isn't about being elitist, this is about taking the time to develop connections and relationships.

So, while I'm all for gutter slamers being spanked - regardless of who they are - there is no way I'm ever going to coddle an idiot just because he's new.


Caine

Nice post grumpy.
:)
There have been some suggestions of ways to slowly integrate newbies into the site with special forums and all.
I don't think that is a good idea.
Some of the new people here are old hands at forums.
If that had happened to me I think I would have not come back.
Its sort of condescending.
Its better to just throw them into the water and hope they can swim.
There are enough old timers to give them a hand if they need it.
And there are enough old timers here to smack another old timer around if he or she needs it. ;)
Usually what keeps a forum from self destructing is the core people (HOF'ers) maintaining the quality of posts and setting the example.
We don't want to become just troll hunters.
A comment I see often by new members is "wow this site has so much good info on it".
Keeping that is the important thing.
A certain level of civility is important but I agree with caine, if you are looking for a lot of hand holding this is probably not the site for you.

A quick review of these might be helpful for things to avoid.
;)
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/fanboy.htm
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/swarm.htm

We should all strive to be more like this I think
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/kungfumaster.htm
or
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/bigcat.htm

cajunvike
10-17-2006, 06:18 PM
Check out ACUMEN thread...LOL


Pile up on the rabbit!!!!

Mr Anderson
10-17-2006, 06:47 PM
Del is a Kung fu master, for sure.

RK.
10-17-2006, 07:34 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


Check out ACUMEN thread...LOL


Pile up on the rabbit!!!!

May want to check out the ip# he registered with just to make sure.
;)

PacNWVike
10-17-2006, 08:17 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"AngloVike" wrote:


For example Cajun and myself will rag on each other regarding spelling - or his lack of :-) - but newer members might take offence at what is written and jump in. See what I'm getting at?
so basically us more senior members have to be a little more careful as to what we post and allow for the fact that the others may not be used to our style or sense of humour

I take offense at your lack of understanding of how offense is spelled HERE!!!
:D

You could at least humor us when you are HERE by spelling the words "USA correct"!!!
:D


Hmmm...
Ya know Cajun, he [i]could've[i] referred to us as "The Colonies...
;D

Caine
10-18-2006, 03:23 AM
"Webby" wrote:


(begin rambling thoughts)

All good comments.

However, I don't know that its intellectually honest to say because we want to talk about ways to improve the community at large is akin to being some tree hugger I would like to stick a cleaver in.

Some of you apparently equate pro-active community health discussion with some desire to fill the place with bunny rabbits and easter eggs.

Remember, this place started as a Packers Suck home.
Nothing PC about it.

But helping to keep the community a good place to be is smarter than saying screw it, deal with it chumps.

If that was the case, I would have shut down the site years ago when I got pissed at stuff or every other day when I am tired of dealing with people's pooh and insecurities and general whininess.

Self discipline is not thrown out the window just because its virtual here.

I exercise it daily here.
Again, this is about ideas, thoughts, and thank you for posting them.

I just want to make sure we keep this on track, and I think its doing very nicely.

I also think that these folks that say it would behoove us to be cognizant of how we treat newcomers and early stage PPO lifers deserve not to be tossed in the hippie crowd.
There is no good argument to say that if you shat on every newcomer all the time that they would roll with it and its okay.

(not saying that happens either, just rambling)

Ripping people that have it coming, that is always fun in my book.

Being rude to someone who made a mistake in good faith is not okay in my book.

As mods we see the same infraction over and over.

This is kinda why this discussion exists, how to better what we do, how to ask the leaders, eg you, to take on that role of leaders.

I could get pissed and toss pooh at every person that did "x" infraction, but isn't it smarter to deal with it case by case?
As in, well this guy is always an idiot, so slap him stupid.
This guy here, though, fair mistake.
Gentle note, and all is better.

One example:
Thats where the league of complaints I get about the stupid Bill Murray or Prophets bikini chick thing comes in...
1) I think its funny, 2) I think idiot guy deserves it, 3) but I don't think fair mistake guy needs to be bludgeoned and ridiculed, which usually follows those types of posts.

All these are ideas being discussed, all with merit.

There will be no panacea obviously, or perfect solution.
I don't want one.
This is a community of individuals, each with a personality that we do not want to stifle.
I don't want Whack to be unable to lose his gourd and level someone as he is known to do; at the same time people look to us in leadership how to conduct themselves.

We do and will tee off on folks that need it.

We will gently correct others.

Some I will
just shake my head at and "ignore".

But having some discretion has a very large snowball effect when people see the uppers handling things well.

Which in general I think we do.

Most of you echo the same sentiment, things in general are pretty good here, but room for improvement if one wants to put in the effort.
I do as always.

So where o where is the bum-dusting, lovey holding hands in all this?
Nowhere that I can see.





This is what I figured, Webby.
I've seen you throw down on too many Trolls to figure you were going soft (Although, now that you're a Daddy....).
What I was targetting was the alarming number of posters I saw advocating being "nicer".


While that is fine, in and of itself, I had a sudden fear of a rampant "Be Nice To Newbs" movement...which I equate with a bowel movement.

I agree 100% with the comments about self-discipline and taking it easy on good faith errors.
And that's part of what I fear with the post rating idea.

Anyway, I said it before, I don't really see a "problem" per se.
Some individuals may need to tone it down a bit from time to time...and, in the spirit of Christmas, I'll go easy on Bono...a little...for awhile....maybe.


But then, I don't receive the plethora of complaints that us "Big Meanies" must generate for you either.
;D

Caine

singersp
10-18-2006, 05:49 AM
"Caine" wrote:

I agree 100% with the comments about self-discipline and taking it easy on good faith errors.
And that's part of what I fear with the post rating idea.

Caine


We had a rating system when we first moved to the new site (+ and -) & I it failed then. It appeared to me that it was being abused.

I also recall receiving some (-) myself. Not for my post, but because the article I had posted was written by some asshat
that had writen negative press about the Vikings.

Prophet
10-18-2006, 06:24 AM
Good to see this discussion is taking place.

A few comments (most have already been said):

1.
This is an NFL site and a community.
There are no shortcuts for developing friends/enemies.
People earn their status by content, not by post count.


2.
There may be some complaints about getting the 'Bill Murray' thread.
Fine.
I can stop doing that.
Personally, I think the duplicate thread problem should be stopped immediately when it starts.
The 'report to mod' feature may work fine.


Why?
If someone posts a new topic that has been discussed a dozen times in the last week, regardless of how long they have been here, they should be called out.
It takes away from the quality of the board.
People make valid points on a topic and then some silly guy starts a new thread on the topic and the people that had content don't feel like re-hashing the same kaka del toro again.
What happens?
Some 'new' person stops by, reads the thread, and it's full of BS and they assume everyone on the site is Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd.
If the Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd people's posts are at least intermingled with the people that have content then the site is redeemed.

4. Content

Yes, I have started many offbeat posts, but I try to get some content posts too.
I've only been a member for 3.5 yrs, but have noticed a decline in the number of solid football talk.
I agree with MensaTice that I sometimes hang out in the 'other' forums because the nonsensical talk in the football forums gets old.


The reason I joined this site in the beginning was because of the internal peer-review system.
That is, if someone posts something like, 'BJ sucks jiggly butt' followed by 'I hate BJ' with their justification they were nailed to the wall.
Conversely, if someone started a thread saying something like, "BJ needs to step up" followed by a reasonable post stating why, the thread was fine.
It's not about agreeing with the poster, it's about having a discussion.
I know there are veterans to this site that have the same opinion.
The lack of content has to do with people letting BS posts slide.

Does that mean you have to be an asshat?
No.
At least make people justify their opinions by calling them out if they don't.
That sets a precedence for excellence.

If you want to go the 'let's hold hands with every noob' route the board is destined to turn south and become an NFL message board that sucks like most of them floating around on the Net.
For every spineless idiot that decides to leave another content poster will decide to stay.
It is possible to grow the site membership and not let the quality decline.

Obviously, this will always be a pendulum.
Noobs sign up, some stay, some don't.
At least they know that it is expected that they try to justify their opinions rather than just post a 'so-and-so sucks' post.

5. Rating system.

Potential solution.


I've seen it not work becaue it's abused and work.
The not working was when people would start threads with the sole intention of jacking up each others reputation points (can give out + and - reputations).
Sometimes this can divide the site more based on 'cliques' or popularity that doesn't correlate to the post content.

I've seen it work.
A rating system where there are warnings leading up to a 30 day ban and then to a permanent ban.
I think that is already in place on this site.

My sentiment is to screw the ratings, there are no shortcuts.
If someone wants a positive or negative reputation they earn it through their posts.
A negative reputation could mean they have unpopular opinions (fine if they are justified) or they are an asshat that offers nothing (ban).
The ratings sytem does not make anything easier.
If there is a poster that is consistently being an asshat and their threads are being reported to the mods by many people then they are on the radar.


I was an admin. at a site similar to this and when we had someone that was repeatedly getting their threads reported we started a voting thread in the mods forum and decided whether or not to ban them.
It started with a three day period with mods giving their input on the situation, then the vote.

Simple, if the majority of mods voted them off, they're off.
No questions asked.
This was explicitly stated in the rules.
No individual received the blame for a ban.
The exception was trolls from other teams that offered nothing, banned.

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 06:36 AM
I am 7'0 tall 310 pounds of muscle. I do know kung-fu and I use it daily. Sometimes I will just do a monkey paw to some passer by just to watch them squirm in agony. I have a harem of beautiful women. I moved out of my parents house at age 8 and I started drinking at age 9 and I had a full beard in the 6th grade as well as dropped balls.

I am Del Rio and I have never played a game of Doom 3 in my life.

Prophet
10-18-2006, 06:40 AM
"Del" wrote:


I am 7'0 tall 310 pounds of muscle. I do know kung-fu and I use it daily. Sometimes I will just do a monkey paw to some passer by just to watch them squirm in agony. I have a harem of beautiful women. I moved out of my parents house at age 8 and I started drinking at age 9 and I had a full beard in the 6th grade as well as dropped balls.

I am Del Rio and I have never played a game of Doom 3 in my life.


Yes.
A reality slap to the face.
Just what the doctor ordered (no, I'm not talking about Dr. Phil).

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 07:06 AM
People must be super senstive if a picture of Bill Murray with a link to a funny video pisses them off enough to go crying to the webmaster. I'm sorry that's just bad. When I started posting I googled Favre sucks, and up came PP.O I read for a while then started posting. I got my ass handed to me on several occassions and still do to this day.

Look I'm not trying to say this is a hippie conversation or anything like that and no I am not trying to be an internet bully or hardass. I think the situation is being extreemly exagerated. My fat ass is on this site all the time, I read damn near every post and very seldom do new people get abused. Like I said it is the guy who has 11 posts that all say the same god damn thing that wakes up Monday morning after a Vikings loss and thinks it's ok to post ANOTHER thread about Brad Johnson, Randy Moss, Brad Childress.......

We have many members and everyone is different. Some people DON'T want to post because they don't give a shit. They come to read pass some time and move along. You have people who have formed friendships who even talk outside of the site I have a few myself. You have people who have met, who have introduced each other to future brides. All walks of life.

You make 7 posts and your upset that your not in the "clique"?

Look this website has:
Welcome threads where people are welcomed by exsisting members.
Perfectly defined forum headings.
A large weathered community of posters.
An ignore feature.
A friends list.

When I say I can't worry about every member on here and how they will react I'm not being a dick I am being serious. You don't like the clock ignore Prophet. The feature is in place. This site has everything you will ever need to take care of yourself without having someone wipe your ass. You make it what you want it to be.

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 07:34 AM
Well now that I spilled that few hundred words of rant out here are some more ideas I have seen in my nerdy internet travels.


Some forums will do a spotlight on a member every week. Just pick one member who has over 100 posts and basically interview them. I have even seen one where Two days before the spotlight a thread is created where members can throw questions that they want answered. Some people ask funny questions some serious. It gives the member a chance to get more recognized and is fairly entertaining.

AngloVike
10-18-2006, 07:54 AM
"Del" wrote:


Well now that I spilled that few hundred words of rant out here are some more ideas I have seen in my nerdy internet travels.


Some forums will do a spotlight on a member every week. Just pick one member who has over 100 posts and basically interview them. I have even seen one where Two days before the spotlight a thread is created where members can throw questions that they want answered. Some people ask funny questions some serious. It gives the member a chance to get more recognized and is fairly entertaining.


Interesting idea, as well as the interview being on the board it could be included in the Pillage and Plunder show - or parts of it anyway ?

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 08:03 AM
"AngloVike" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Well now that I spilled that few hundred words of rant out here are some more ideas I have seen in my nerdy internet travels.


Some forums will do a spotlight on a member every week. Just pick one member who has over 100 posts and basically interview them. I have even seen one where Two days before the spotlight a thread is created where members can throw questions that they want answered. Some people ask funny questions some serious. It gives the member a chance to get more recognized and is fairly entertaining.


Interesting idea, as well as the interview being on the board it could be included in the Pillage and Plunder show - or parts of it anyway ?


Not a bad idea. It gets people involved in the boards and the show. The only hard part would be getting a list of the ACTIVE members. The person doing the interview would have to touch base with that member ahead of time to make sure it is ok and they would want to.

On the other boards I use to frequest it was not uncommon to pass someone by because they didnt want the attention. No big deal just move down the list. They will have the spotlight for the week and probably make a few new friends. Shouldn't be a problem throwing a shout out on the radio or going over some things about the weekly spotlight.

mr.woo
10-18-2006, 08:31 AM
that would be pretty sweet and definitly make people both feel mor welcome and othere people more welcoming. dont judge a person before you know them.

cajunvike
10-18-2006, 10:05 AM
"Del" wrote:


I am 7'0 tall 310 pounds of muscle. I do know kung-fu and I use it daily. Sometimes I will just do a monkey paw to some passer by just to watch them squirm in agony. I have a harem of beautiful women. I moved out of my parents house at age 8 and I started drinking at age 9 and I had a full beard in the 6th grade as well as dropped balls.

I am Del Rio and I have never played a game of Doom 3 in my life.


Are you TEXPACK?
:D

cajunvike
10-18-2006, 10:09 AM
"Del" wrote:


Well now that I spilled that few hundred words of rant out here are some more ideas I have seen in my nerdy internet travels.


Some forums will do a spotlight on a member every week. Just pick one member who has over 100 posts and basically interview them. I have even seen one where Two days before the spotlight a thread is created where members can throw questions that they want answered. Some people ask funny questions some serious. It gives the member a chance to get more recognized and is fairly entertaining.




I might even volunteer to be the first victim...errrr, I mean guest.

whackthepack
10-18-2006, 11:17 AM
There is a fairly new poster by the name of Ballhog27 he has posted about 30 times.
He posted a new thread about Shaun Rogers being suspended in the Viking forum.

I sent him an PM and told him it was no big deal but it should have been in the General NFL forum.

He sent me an email back thanking me and that he has kinda been around for awhile lurking but the posting is new to him and thanks for the help.

So I sent him and email and told him that I would help him out if he has any problems or questions.

He seemed sincere about the thanks and I hope he sticks around awhile.

Prophet
10-18-2006, 11:21 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


There is a fairly new poster by the name of Ballhog27 he has posted about 30 times.
He posted a new thread about Shaun Rogers being suspended in the Viking forum.

I sent him an PM and told him it was no big deal but it should have been in the General NFL forum.

He sent me an email back thanking me and that he has kinda been around for awhile lurking but the posting is new to him and thanks for the help.

So I sent him and email and told him that I would help him out if he has any problems or questions.

He seemed sincere about the thanks and I hope he sticks around awhile.


Just offer to wipe his ass and the welcoming will be complete.
;D

whackthepack
10-18-2006, 11:25 AM
"Acumen" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


There is a fairly new poster by the name of Ballhog27 he has posted about 30 times.
He posted a new thread about Shaun Rogers being suspended in the Viking forum.

I sent him an PM and told him it was no big deal but it should have been in the General NFL forum.

He sent me an email back thanking me and that he has kinda been around for awhile lurking but the posting is new to him and thanks for the help.

So I sent him and email and told him that I would help him out if he has any problems or questions.

He seemed sincere about the thanks and I hope he sticks around awhile.


Just offer to wipe his jiggly butt and the welcoming will be complete.
;D


I figured you could help him with oral sexual satisfaction part, I am just helping with the posting!
If you want to wipe his buttt at the same time you are down there feel free! :o

Prophet
10-18-2006, 11:26 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


"Acumen" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


There is a fairly new poster by the name of Ballhog27 he has posted about 30 times.
He posted a new thread about Shaun Rogers being suspended in the Viking forum.

I sent him an PM and told him it was no big deal but it should have been in the General NFL forum.

He sent me an email back thanking me and that he has kinda been around for awhile lurking but the posting is new to him and thanks for the help.

So I sent him and email and told him that I would help him out if he has any problems or questions.

He seemed sincere about the thanks and I hope he sticks around awhile.


Just offer to wipe his jiggly butt and the welcoming will be complete.
;D


I figured you could help him with oral sexual satisfaction part, I am just helping with the posting!
If you want to wipe his buttt at the same time you are down there feel free! :o


I heard Del Rio has experience with the taint.
I'll let him handle that part.

RK.
10-18-2006, 11:51 AM
"Del" wrote:


I am 7'0 tall 310 pounds of muscle. I do know kung-fu and I use it daily. Sometimes I will just do a monkey paw to some passer by just to watch them squirm in agony. I have a harem of beautiful women. I moved out of my parents house at age 8 and I started drinking at age 9 and I had a full beard in the 6th grade as well as dropped balls.

I am Del Rio and I have never played a game of Doom 3 in my life.

I think Del may actually be Chuck Norris.
;)

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 11:53 AM
Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being assholes towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an asshole towards me but you get the point.

Zeus
10-18-2006, 11:55 AM
"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.


"an donkey butt"?


Is that one of those English exceptions like "I before E except after C" and "An Harmonica"?

=Z=

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 11:57 AM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.


"an donkey butt"?


Is that one of those English exceptions like "I before E except after C" and "An Harmonica"?

=Z=


No absolutely not, but it is however one of the few times the word censor improved my post. An ass-hole

Zeus
10-18-2006, 12:00 PM
"Del" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.


"an donkey butt"?


Is that one of those English exceptions like "I before E except after C" and "An Harmonica"?

=Z=


No absolutely not, but it is however one of the few times the word censor improved my post. An jiggly butt-hole


Yer funny.
Ever do stand-up?
Sometimes it fees like you're channeling Sam Kinison.

=Z=

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 12:08 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.


"an donkey butt"?


Is that one of those English exceptions like "I before E except after C" and "An Harmonica"?

=Z=


No absolutely not, but it is however one of the few times the word censor improved my post. An jiggly butt-hole


Yer funny.
Ever do stand-up?
Sometimes it fees like you're channeling Sam Kinison.

=Z=


MOVE WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! WOAH WOAH WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH!!

My favorite Sam skit.

whackthepack
10-18-2006, 01:49 PM
You live in a f*cking desert!

cajunvike
10-18-2006, 01:59 PM
"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.




Just wait until you get 20,000 posts...you think that you have it bad NOW...WELCOME TO MY WORLD!!!
:(

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 02:02 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:


You live in a f*cking desert!


Whack you are the man. That is for sure one of the funniest skits of all time IMO.

ultravikingfan
10-18-2006, 03:20 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:


There is a fairly new poster by the name of Ballhog27 he has posted about 30 times.
He posted a new thread about Shaun Rogers being suspended in the Viking forum.

I sent him an PM and told him it was no big deal but it should have been in the General NFL forum.

He sent me an email back thanking me and that he has kinda been around for awhile lurking but the posting is new to him and thanks for the help.

So I sent him and email and told him that I would help him out if he has any problems or questions.

He seemed sincere about the thanks and I hope he sticks around awhile.


That's why I swooped in and gave it a "Move" without any fanfair.
Personally, I do not think members should be PM'ing others on netiquette.
I never miss out-of-place threads and I hope that when they see it is "Moved" they know why.
If it happens repeatedly, then a PM is forthcoming.

ultravikingfan
10-18-2006, 03:22 PM
"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.




When I am bored I look for words to add to the censor.
Then what do ya know...I read one of Del's posts!
;D

V-Unit
10-18-2006, 05:17 PM
"Del" wrote:


People must be super senstive if a picture of Bill Murray with a link to a funny video pisses them off enough to go crying to the webmaster. I'm sorry that's just bad. When I started posting I googled Favre sucks, and up came PP.O I read for a while then started posting. I got my jiggly butt handed to me on several occassions and still do to this day.

As far as I know nobody went crying to the webmaster. It was one poster, me, sharing his opinion in a thread made to hear different opinions. The fact is that the Bill Murray thing is nothing more than a flippant piece of destructive criticism. Although intended to persuade people to stop making duplicate threads, it comes no where close to achieving that.



You make 7 posts and your upset that your not in the "clique"?

Where are you getting this from?




When I say I can't worry about every member on here and how they will react I'm not being a slick willy I am being serious. You don't like the clock ignore Prophet. The feature is in place. This site has everything you will ever need to take care of yourself without having someone wipe your jiggly butt. You make it what you want it to be.



While I understand your perspective, you are ignoring the whole community side of a message board. Your stance is the same as all the trolls who infest this site thinking, "I don't care if this site had intelligent conversation in the past. I'm going to trash talk pointlessly because it makes me feel good." This thread was made because some people see a growing problem; doing nothing with the site does not solve that problem. Something needs to change if you want to see a rise in good, intelligent football discussion. It may be features, it may be attitudes, maybe its both.

singersp
10-18-2006, 06:28 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:

That's why I swooped in and gave it a "Move" without any fanfair.
Personally, I do not think members should be PM'ing others on netiquette.
I never miss out-of-place threads and I hope that when they see it is "Moved" they know why.
If it happens repeatedly, then a PM is forthcoming.


Are you sure about that? LOL!
;D

I see 4, possibly 5 in the Vikings Forum alone that are out of place.
;)

singersp
10-18-2006, 06:34 PM
"Del" wrote:


Some forums will do a spotlight on a member every week. Just pick one member who has over 100 posts and basically interview them. I have even seen one where Two days before the spotlight a thread is created where members can throw questions that they want answered. Some people ask funny questions some serious. It gives the member a chance to get more recognized and is fairly entertaining.




That's not a bad idea you have there Del. Perhaps we could try it out & see how it goes. Follow it up with a poll of the general masses & you can easily find out how well it was received.

Zeus
10-18-2006, 09:40 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.




Just wait until you get 20,000 posts...you think that you have it bad NOW...WELCOME TO MY WORLD!!!
:(


Post whores like you know that the more people talk about you, the more you have to respond to.

It's a solid strategy.

=Z=

cajunvike
10-18-2006, 10:09 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.




Just wait until you get 20,000 posts...you think that you have it bad NOW...WELCOME TO MY WORLD!!!
:(


Post whores like you know that the more people talk about you, the more you have to respond to.

It's a solid strategy.

=Z=


I see that you have also applied that foolproof strategy in your journey towards 3000 posts and beyond...you have learned well, grasshopper!
:D

Zeus
10-18-2006, 10:24 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.




Just wait until you get 20,000 posts...you think that you have it bad NOW...WELCOME TO MY WORLD!!!
:(


Post whores like you know that the more people talk about you, the more you have to respond to.

It's a solid strategy.

=Z=


I see that you have also applied that foolproof strategy in your journey towards 3000 posts and beyond...you have learned well, grasshopper!
:D


Nah - I'm just a stream-of-conscious kinda guy.


Now - ladies and gentlemen, if you'll all calm down, this hi-jacking will be over before you know it.
Please, stewardess, serve them some peanuts.

=Z=

Del Rio
10-18-2006, 10:55 PM
"V-Unit" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


People must be super senstive if a picture of Bill Murray with a link to a funny video pisses them off enough to go crying to the webmaster. I'm sorry that's just bad. When I started posting I googled Favre sucks, and up came PP.O I read for a while then started posting. I got my jiggly butt handed to me on several occassions and still do to this day.

As far as I know nobody went crying to the webmaster. It was one poster, me, sharing his opinion in a thread made to hear different opinions. The fact is that the Bill Murray thing is nothing more than a flippant piece of destructive criticism. Although intended to persuade people to stop making duplicate threads, it comes no where close to achieving that.



You make 7 posts and your upset that your not in the "clique"?

Where are you getting this from?




When I say I can't worry about every member on here and how they will react I'm not being a slick willy I am being serious. You don't like the clock ignore Prophet. The feature is in place. This site has everything you will ever need to take care of yourself without having someone wipe your jiggly butt. You make it what you want it to be.



While I understand your perspective, you are ignoring the whole community side of a message board. Your stance is the same as all the trolls who infest this site thinking, "I don't care if this site had intelligent conversation in the past. I'm going to trash talk pointlessly because it makes me feel good." This thread was made because some people see a growing problem; doing nothing with the site does not solve that problem. Something needs to change if you want to see a rise in good, intelligent football discussion. It may be features, it may be attitudes, maybe its both.


Obviously someone did go to webby, many people that is why this was brought up. In fact webby said so himself that he has had many people coming to him, many becuase of the Bill Murray image. So yeah some one did.

This site contains intelligent football discussion. I promote intelligent conversation all the time, and I have fun, because that is why I am here. I do plenty with the site and in fact instead of crying about my hurt feelings (I am not saying you are) I have actually given 3 or so ideas to improve the site for the people who feel they are getting teabagged.

What did I mean by saying you have 7 posts and feel bad that you aren't in the clique? I mean exactly what it sounds like. You have 7 posts I'm not going to relate to you the same way as a guy I have been chatting with for 2 years over thousands of posts its reality live with it. (You is being used generally and not specifically directed to YOU)

Again the Bill Murray thing as an example. Some people love it some people hate it. There are plenty of ways for people who hate it to not have to see it, one feature is ignore prophet. If you take it away there is no way for people who like it to enjoy it. You have options. You find it offensive I do not. Many people who have had it done to them do not.

PacNWVike
10-19-2006, 12:24 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


Look at this horseshit.

I have 9000+ posts and people are making fun of me, harrassing me, and being donkey butts towards me. Well I don't think anyone is going to turn an donkey butt towards me but you get the point.




When I am bored I look for words to add to the censor.
Then what do ya know...I read one of Del's posts!

;D


The censor program is a kick!
Do we have access to the master list to see what some of these imaginative terms truly mean?
;D

Prophet
10-19-2006, 05:56 AM
Yeah, I can see how someone's feelings would be hurt by posting a picture about a funny movie or a beautiful woman that links to a hilarious video about how to post.
That is really offensive, very obvious.


Click on Bill’s face
http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/callingtheshots/images/groundhog_day.jpg (http://www.linuxbench.org/Posting.html)

Please click anywhere on me that you so desire…
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/RPM40/Ali_Landry_wallpaper_madnessmed.jpg (http://www.linuxbench.org/Posting.html)

beautiful ice woman
Please click anywhere on me that you so desire…
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/RPM40/091445098093c63b9.jpg (http://www.linuxbench.org/Posting.html)

The majority of NFL sites I have been to rip you a new jiggly butthole if you don't follow the rules.

If people are locking up the phone lines into their counselor because of these types of posts what do they do in real life when they do something wrong and someone mentions it?
Is it the generation that is use to receiving 'participation trophies' their whole life that is most offended?

I discontinued using the controversial post for now, even though I still think that following the rules is not that tough.
We all slip up sometimes, but some choose to ignore them and that puts more heat and effort onto the shoulders of the few mods on the site.
A gentle reminder to someone, in most cases, will solve the problem before it becomes serious.

singersp
10-19-2006, 06:42 AM
"Acumen" wrote:


Yeah, I can see how someone's feelings would be hurt by posting a picture about a funny movie or a beautiful woman that links to a hilarious video about how to post.
That is really offensive, very obvious.


Click on Bill’s face
http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/callingtheshots/images/groundhog_day.jpg (http://www.linuxbench.org/Posting.html)

Please click anywhere on me that you so desire…
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/RPM40/Ali_Landry_wallpaper_madnessmed.jpg (http://www.linuxbench.org/Posting.html)

beautiful ice woman
Please click anywhere on me that you so desire…
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/RPM40/091445098093c63b9.jpg (http://www.linuxbench.org/Posting.html)

The majority of NFL sites I have been to rip you a new jiggly butthole if you don't follow the rules.

If people are locking up the phone lines into their counselor because of these types of posts what do they do in real life when they do something wrong and someone mentions it?
Is it the generation that is use to receiving 'participation trophies' their whole life that is most offended?

I discontinued using the controversial post for now, even though I still think that following the rules is not that tough.
We all slip up sometimes, but some choose to ignore them and that puts more heat and effort onto the shoulders of the few mods on the site.
A gentle reminder to someone, in most cases, will solve the problem before it becomes serious.


The one question I wonder about is do we know for fact that a majority of members are even upset about getting "clocked"? Or is it just a few here & there?

It seems many people are just speculating & assuming that they are. I'm sure Webby or the mods have had people comlaining that they have had their feelings hurt, but of all the posts that have been made to inform them of a duplicate thread or the flaming that results, how many actually complain?

Again, I can see where it shouldn't happen to some of the newbies, but how many of the newbies we have here, have belonged to other forums where they know what to expect.

Just because they are new here, doesn't necessarily mean it's there very first time on a forum.

Also if it were checked, I think you'll find the majority of members who have been "clocked", have already been here for sometime.

I remember a thread about this subject awhile back, where one of the posters claimed he didn't care if it was a duplicated thread or in the wrong forum. The mods would take care of it if it was a problem.

To me that's just plain lazy.

Prophet
10-19-2006, 06:57 AM
I'm not a mod, but I can tell you that I have received at least 15 PMs from different people, including noobs, thanking me for posting the reminders and they gave a bunch of these:
;D ;D ;D ;D with their message.
I have only heard of two people whining about it to me personally and neither of them held a grudge when I responded to them in a PM saying it's a joke and a friendly reminder to pay attention followed by, yeah, we all do it sometimes. I have no idea what the true statistics are.


Don't give me the crap about not understanding the 'community' either.
The community is dynamic and there are no shortcuts to making friends or enemies.
Some think I'm an asshat, others don't.
We all like/dislike certain people, big surprise, there are thousands of people on the board.
Like someone mentioned earlier, all the features are in place to ignore people if you wish or add them to your buddy list.

I could care less either way, but I think it is being blown way out of proportion.
I've posted on sites where at least 10 people have flamed me and cussed me out over a repeat thread and it didn't scare me off, it just gave me a stiff reminder.
I, by no means am saying that we should flame someone for doing something wrong, but, on the same token, this method is FAR from flaming someone.

Like I said earlier, this board has risen from the ashes because of quality posts and insightful posts that are peer-reviewed by its members.
The mods can only do so much when thousands of people are posting on a topic.
It is our duty to help drive threads in the right direction if they start out idiotic without justification....no matter if it's someone with 1 post or 9,700.

singersp
10-19-2006, 07:07 AM
I have received very few myself with only one being negative. All the others were apologetic.

I would PM them back telling them all is OK & give them some tips on how to use the "SEARCH" feature.

ultravikingfan
10-19-2006, 03:18 PM
"Acumen" wrote:


I'm not a mod, but I can tell you that I have received at least 15 PMs from different people, including noobs, thanking me for posting the reminders and they gave a bunch of these:
;D ;D ;D ;D with their message.
I have only heard of two people whining about it to me personally and neither of them held a grudge when I responded to them in a PM saying it's a joke and a friendly reminder to pay attention followed by, yeah, we all do it sometimes. I have no idea what the true statistics are.


Don't give me the crap about not understanding the 'community' either.
The community is dynamic and there are no shortcuts to making friends or enemies.
Some think I'm an asshat, others don't.
We all like/dislike certain people, big surprise, there are thousands of people on the board.
Like someone mentioned earlier, all the features are in place to ignore people if you wish or add them to your buddy list.

I could care less either way, but I think it is being blown way out of proportion.
I've posted on sites where at least 10 people have flamed me and cussed me out over a repeat thread and it didn't scare me off, it just gave me a stiff reminder.
I, by no means am saying that we should flame someone for doing something wrong, but, on the same token, this method is FAR from flaming someone.

Like I said earlier, this board has risen from the ashes because of quality posts and insightful posts that are peer-reviewed by its members.
The mods can only do so much when thousands of people are posting on a topic.
It is our duty to help drive threads in the right direction if they start out idiotic without justification....no matter if it's someone with 1 post or 9,700.


Some people have actually "Reported" posts in which the scantly clad gal was posted.

cajunvike
10-19-2006, 03:28 PM
"Acumen" wrote:


I'm not a mod, but I can tell you that I have received at least 15 PMs from different people, including noobs, thanking me for posting the reminders and they gave a bunch of these:
;D ;D ;D ;D with their message.
I have only heard of two people whining about it to me personally and neither of them held a grudge when I responded to them in a PM saying it's a joke and a friendly reminder to pay attention followed by, yeah, we all do it sometimes. I have no idea what the true statistics are.


Don't give me the crap about not understanding the 'community' either.
The community is dynamic and there are no shortcuts to making friends or enemies.
Some think I'm an asshat, others don't.
We all like/dislike certain people, big surprise, there are thousands of people on the board.
Like someone mentioned earlier, all the features are in place to ignore people if you wish or add them to your buddy list.

I could care less either way, but I think it is being blown way out of proportion.
I've posted on sites where at least 10 people have flamed me and cussed me out over a repeat thread and it didn't scare me off, it just gave me a stiff reminder.
I, by no means am saying that we should flame someone for doing something wrong, but, on the same token, this method is FAR from flaming someone.

Like I said earlier, this board has risen from the ashes because of quality posts and insightful posts that are peer-reviewed by its members.
The mods can only do so much when thousands of people are posting on a topic.
It is our duty to help drive threads in the right direction if they start out idiotic without justification....no matter if it's someone with 1 post or 9,700.

I have never taken issue with the Bill Murray...those who post NEW articles 20 minutes after the SAME article has been posted CANNOT complain...since a SIMPLE search of the forum that they are SUPPOSED to post their chosen article in will usually show whether the article has already been posted (exception for vague titles...in which case, the vague thread should be merged with the new one that has the clearer title...with the clearer title affixed to the newly merged thread).

As for Bill Murraying the repeat Moss and Pep threads by newbies...there is where I part ways.
If you don't want to participate in yet another Moss thread, then just let it die...or let the MODS handle it.

So, in conclusion...while I have no problem with seeing Bill's face on a thread...saving it for the lazy or obnoxious instead of the uninitiated seems to me a fair compromise.
If not, then carry on...no skin off my nose!
;D

Prophet
10-19-2006, 03:43 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Acumen" wrote:


I'm not a mod, but I can tell you that I have received at least 15 PMs from different people, including noobs, thanking me for posting the reminders and they gave a bunch of these:
;D ;D ;D ;D with their message.
I have only heard of two people whining about it to me personally and neither of them held a grudge when I responded to them in a PM saying it's a joke and a friendly reminder to pay attention followed by, yeah, we all do it sometimes. I have no idea what the true statistics are.


Don't give me the crap about not understanding the 'community' either.
The community is dynamic and there are no shortcuts to making friends or enemies.
Some think I'm an asshat, others don't.
We all like/dislike certain people, big surprise, there are thousands of people on the board.
Like someone mentioned earlier, all the features are in place to ignore people if you wish or add them to your buddy list.

I could care less either way, but I think it is being blown way out of proportion.
I've posted on sites where at least 10 people have flamed me and cussed me out over a repeat thread and it didn't scare me off, it just gave me a stiff reminder.
I, by no means am saying that we should flame someone for doing something wrong, but, on the same token, this method is FAR from flaming someone.

Like I said earlier, this board has risen from the ashes because of quality posts and insightful posts that are peer-reviewed by its members.
The mods can only do so much when thousands of people are posting on a topic.
It is our duty to help drive threads in the right direction if they start out idiotic without justification....no matter if it's someone with 1 post or 9,700.


Some people have actually "Reported" posts in which the scantly clad gal was posted.


I know, it must have been Cajun.
I'll have to put one together of a guy in a thong so he doesn't get upset.

ultravikingfan
10-19-2006, 03:47 PM
"Acumen" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Acumen" wrote:


I'm not a mod, but I can tell you that I have received at least 15 PMs from different people, including noobs, thanking me for posting the reminders and they gave a bunch of these:
;D ;D ;D ;D with their message.
I have only heard of two people whining about it to me personally and neither of them held a grudge when I responded to them in a PM saying it's a joke and a friendly reminder to pay attention followed by, yeah, we all do it sometimes. I have no idea what the true statistics are.


Don't give me the crap about not understanding the 'community' either.
The community is dynamic and there are no shortcuts to making friends or enemies.
Some think I'm an asshat, others don't.
We all like/dislike certain people, big surprise, there are thousands of people on the board.
Like someone mentioned earlier, all the features are in place to ignore people if you wish or add them to your buddy list.

I could care less either way, but I think it is being blown way out of proportion.
I've posted on sites where at least 10 people have flamed me and cussed me out over a repeat thread and it didn't scare me off, it just gave me a stiff reminder.
I, by no means am saying that we should flame someone for doing something wrong, but, on the same token, this method is FAR from flaming someone.

Like I said earlier, this board has risen from the ashes because of quality posts and insightful posts that are peer-reviewed by its members.
The mods can only do so much when thousands of people are posting on a topic.
It is our duty to help drive threads in the right direction if they start out idiotic without justification....no matter if it's someone with 1 post or 9,700.


Some people have actually "Reported" posts in which the scantly clad gal was posted.


I know, it must have been Cajun.
I'll have to put one together of a guy in a thong so he doesn't get upset.


No, a noob.

RK.
10-19-2006, 04:41 PM
If I should ever make a post that requires that I be clocked I would like to be on record that I would like this one.
Thanks
;D
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/RPM40/Ali_Landry_wallpaper_madnessmed.jpg

Vikes_King
10-19-2006, 04:49 PM
21 pages huh, the shit u miss when you get busy for a few days (no i didnt die =], keep wishing)

i barely even know who acumen is =]

VKG4LFE
10-25-2006, 07:21 PM
"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ



I agree! I see no point in getting pissed off while on my favorite team's website. More often than not when people are being dinks I laugh at them. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on here as it is an open forum. We will have idiots, trolls, pot stirrers, etc, we need to just deal with them as they ciome and go. This is the greatest site on the web and it will stay that way even with some of the trash that comes on here!

ultravikingfan
10-25-2006, 07:47 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:


"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ



I agree! I see no point in getting pissed off while on my favorite team's website. More often than not when people are being dinks I laugh at them. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on here as it is an open forum. We will have idiots, trolls, pot stirrers, etc, we need to just deal with them as they ciome and go. This is the greatest site on the web and it will stay that way even with some of the trash that comes on here!


STFU!












































:D

VKG4LFE
10-25-2006, 07:49 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"VKG4LFE" wrote:


"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ



I agree! I see no point in getting pissed off while on my favorite team's website. More often than not when people are being dinks I laugh at them. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on here as it is an open forum. We will have idiots, trolls, pot stirrers, etc, we need to just deal with them as they ciome and go. This is the greatest site on the web and it will stay that way even with some of the trash that comes on here!


STFU!












































:D



:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(






















:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D




















:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

RK.
10-25-2006, 08:41 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"VKG4LFE" wrote:


"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ



I agree! I see no point in getting pissed off while on my favorite team's website. More often than not when people are being dinks I laugh at them. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on here as it is an open forum. We will have idiots, trolls, pot stirrers, etc, we need to just deal with them as they ciome and go. This is the greatest site on the web and it will stay that way even with some of the trash that comes on here!


STFU!












































:D



:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(



Ultra has a tiny one



















:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D



A teeny weeny little one















:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

;D

snowinapril
10-26-2006, 11:14 AM
Can I post in this thread?

I just typed a post and it is not here. User Error I guess.
I hope it isn't in another thread somewhere?
Looked at my recent posts, don't see it. not to worry I guess.

snowinapril
10-26-2006, 11:20 AM
My post will be short and to the point.
I haven't read this thread yet, just want to post some initial thoughts before doing so.

Webby does a awesome job in making this site great.
Some change good, lot of change may be bad? ? ?


I don't know it it is a personal thing, or a being out of rhythm with the site, or if it is all the Crazies posting, but I have found it more difficult to jump in to the threads being posted.

The more recognition this site gets, the more Crazies we will have.
Good or Bad.
Crazies will come and go, it is just putting up with them until they leave.

Let the site-hazing begin I guess!

I am going to go back and read now and see if my opinions will change or get modified from other comments made.

snowinapril
10-26-2006, 11:41 AM
About standing members getting driven off..

If one of us leave, that is a personal choice.
It is our own action.
If you don't like what the crazies are doing, then don't read their crap.

"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ


I agree MNJ.
I am the same way with the posting, it has been less.
I also try to ignore the crazies.

"Webby" wrote:


The new board has a feature called "groans".
When you groan a thread because it is stupid and repetitive....lol...it gets them closer to the dreaded "buh bye".
there are thread ratings so you can avoid the stupid ones, and under EACH thread it is AWESOME:
similar threads.
If you are in a moss one, other moss ones show up.
They can go screw around in them and not start new ones!

Yeah that tiff wasn't good.
There have been a few lately even amongst elder members....meaning to me that we needed to open this up a bit and figure out how we want to go on things.
Or like family, it happens, and it comes and goes.



I think that the similars info is great, but with the complexity of the site, the small details are becoming more difficult to see.
Maybe I am an old dog and not looking for the new stuff??? Not complaining, just trying to give constructive input.

snowinapril
10-26-2006, 11:44 AM
"Webby" wrote:


"mnjamie" wrote:


I can honestly say that I havn't been posting as much as I used to.
I try to come in with an open mind, but someone new always "ticks" me off.
Instead of calling them out, etc. ... I just leave and cool off.

This is the only site I have EVER joined and the reason I did, was because there was logical talk about football.
NOW, there just seems to be nothing but "LOOK AT ME" threads ... Fun threads are one thing, just for me IMHO, it's gotten to be too much.

PP.O advertises itself as a football site first and foremost, then the general community aspect comes in second (I hope that came out right).

I just feel that it's become more of a teenage, high school chat room sometimes and it does get to be too much for me personally.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.



MNJ


That pisses me off too.
I wanted to ban all self congratulatory threads and that BS....but felt it might be a part of the community people liked, warm fuzzies and all.

That is what the clubhouse is for though.
Different strokes.
But I get bored seeing it in the top ten, thats for sure.
Maybe I make that the football talk only?


Great Idea!

snowinapril
10-26-2006, 12:09 PM
I think that this site is not only for us that post.
There are tons of members that come here for info and for them to have to sift through Useless-CRAP is a waste of there time.
Just a thought!

It is mostly for the people that post. but the unspoken need to be spoken for since they won't speak for themselves.

"JDogg926" wrote:


First of all, I'm flattered to be considered a "leader" of purplepride.
Secondly, did anyone else get 4 copies of the same email about this.
Was this to prove the point of not wanting to read multiple copies of what are essentially the same thread???

As someone who really doesn't spend a lot of time on here, especially compared to the cajun's and del rio's of the world, I kind of would like to defend, in a way, some of the new members.
Granted we've had our fair share of idiots and people who are really easily offended when the world does not agree with them, but as far as some of the threads that get posted by new members without realizing that a month ago someone posted the exact same thing.
I personally, about 90% of the time only look at the Top 10 or the New Replies to my posts.
I know
I don't get excited about the prospect of thumbing through a 40 page thread, and although I don't create a lot of new threads, some of the new members may see these huge threads, and be intimidated or simply not have the time to read through everything before they actually share some of their thoughts and/or opinions.
Then, when a member with 15 posts starts a new thread, the first couple responses they get are from people that actually spend a few hours a day on this site, and usually telling them "Hey Buddy, thread exists already, why didn't you look it up."
That really doesn't make people feel that welcome.
What may make more sense than locking threads like this is actually have a "Newcomer's forum", where they can not only break themselves in, but if they happen to either touch on a topic that's already been discussed (which is sure to happen), or touch a nerve, it should be less of an issue. Just a thought.


This is a good place to start.
I like the idea of locking thread and posting a link to let's say MOSS threads.
Could ad this to the locking of the thread, "Please feel free to read and post in these already existing threads."
Without saying this to the new member, "what you have said is insignificant because it is already been said."
If they are forced to go back and read some of those threads, they will realize their posts are nothing new, without being told they are insignificant to the sight.

snowinapril
10-26-2006, 12:11 PM
For locking Moss and Culpepper threads, the mods should have a cut and paste option which is standard and not pointed directly at the new member.
It happens so much, you need to have a button to push to take care of it, like a action button in photoshop.

I am done for now!

Del Rio
10-26-2006, 12:51 PM
I will say this about moving and locking threads. Some people get even more pissed off when you move the thread then when a member tells them it has been posted.

What happens 90% of the time anyway?

Newbie posts something........

First response "This is being discussed here ...."LINK"

Then the next twenty responses answer the post.

Then a mod notices and merges it.

mnjamie
10-26-2006, 01:26 PM
Is that not what the "Report to Moderator" button sitting right there in the post is for ... I mean really, do we need to flame the newbie???

~ If you can read this, you are a GOLDEN GOD LIKE ME !!!! ~

Also, on a side note ... Del needs to stop stumping for Smoooot to be the #1 man-ho in his stable !!

Just report it to the Mod. and let them handle it.

Del Rio
10-26-2006, 01:31 PM
I guess you have to ask yourself is: "This is being discussed here "LINK"
A flame?


I am a golden god like you! And I am correct, resistence is futile!

I say no. Some say yes.
How many Mods are on during the day? Not many, some stop by every once and while I am on during the week. I'm too busy looking at all the boobies you bastards post to do anything.

snowinapril
10-26-2006, 01:42 PM
About Moss and redundant threads:

I know, don't move it, don't flame it, let the newbies knock themself out.
Put it in the dog pooh thread forum.
Anyone that has 1000 posts or more has a can of Pooh be gone and is automatically blocked from seeing the dog pooh forum. LOL!


Forget I even suggested it other than for humor.

Or seriously, move it to the dog shit forum and give us the option of wanting to see post from the dog pooh forum.
Then the Curious George types of the HOFers can partake if they want.
But...... the mods would have to probably do more work because HOFers wouldn't be posting there.

Seriously, would it be a big deal if we (HOFs) weren't so opposed or upset by it.

Del Rio
10-26-2006, 02:11 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


About Moss and redundant threads:

I know, don't move it, don't flame it, let the newbies knock themself out.
Put it in the dog pooh thread forum.
Anyone that has 1000 posts or more has a can of Pooh be gone and is automatically blocked from seeing the dog pooh forum. LOL!


Forget I even suggested it other than for humor.

Or seriously, move it to the dog pooh forum and give us the option of wanting to see post from the dog pooh forum.
Then the Curious George types of the HOFers can partake if they want.
But...... the mods would have to probably do more work because HOFers wouldn't be posting there.

Seriously, would it be a big deal if we (HOFs) weren't so opposed or upset by it.




I like the dog shit forum idea lol. I can see it now.....why did you move my post!? It was posted in the wrong forum. Where should I have posted it? In the dog shit forum

ROTFLMAO!

Prophet
10-26-2006, 04:17 PM
"Del" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


About Moss and redundant threads:

I know, don't move it, don't flame it, let the newbies knock themself out.
Put it in the dog pooh thread forum.
Anyone that has 1000 posts or more has a can of Pooh be gone and is automatically blocked from seeing the dog pooh forum. LOL!


Forget I even suggested it other than for humor.

Or seriously, move it to the dog pooh forum and give us the option of wanting to see post from the dog pooh forum.
Then the Curious George types of the HOFers can partake if they want.
But...... the mods would have to probably do more work because HOFers wouldn't be posting there.

Seriously, would it be a big deal if we (HOFs) weren't so opposed or upset by it.




I like the dog pooh forum idea lol. I can see it now.....why did you move my post!? It was posted in the wrong forum. Where should I have posted it? In the dog pooh forum

ROTFLMAO!

If the pansies cry, let them leave and join the Oprah Winfrey forum

I like the idea of this forum, lmao, that wouldn't be offending anyone.

V-Unit
10-26-2006, 04:28 PM
"Acumen" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


"snowinapril" wrote:


About Moss and redundant threads:

I know, don't move it, don't flame it, let the newbies knock themself out.
Put it in the dog pooh thread forum.
Anyone that has 1000 posts or more has a can of Pooh be gone and is automatically blocked from seeing the dog pooh forum. LOL!


Forget I even suggested it other than for humor.

Or seriously, move it to the dog pooh forum and give us the option of wanting to see post from the dog pooh forum.
Then the Curious George types of the HOFers can partake if they want.
But...... the mods would have to probably do more work because HOFers wouldn't be posting there.

Seriously, would it be a big deal if we (HOFs) weren't so opposed or upset by it.




I like the dog pooh forum idea lol. I can see it now.....why did you move my post!? It was posted in the wrong forum. Where should I have posted it? In the dog pooh forum

ROTFLMAO!

If the pansies cry, let them leave and join the Oprah Winfrey forum

I like the idea of this forum, lmao, that wouldn't be offending anyone.


That is a pretty good idea!

Vikes_King
10-30-2006, 04:32 PM
hahaha, i can see some people complaining about it for sure though =]

VKG4LFE
11-01-2006, 06:26 PM
All I know is that it must be hard to be a mod!! Good work to all of you hard workers out there!

singersp
11-01-2006, 06:55 PM
I was doing some more thinking about the latest talk column. For people coming to this site for the first time & first impressions, they see a lot of non-football related topics being discussed. They may just pass this site on by & go looking elsewhere for a site that is talking more football. These are probably the kinds of members we want to have here.

In the same way, people coming into this site for the first time may see a lot of chat room type topics & decide to join based on those topics thereby "breeding" that type of behavior.

With 6,000+ members I see the need for both types of threads, but do we need the non-football stuff in the latest talk?

Is it possible to list the top 10 latest football threads & in addition & below the latest footbal talk threads, add "pull down" buttons like those on the right side column under "Explore PurplePride"?

When those buttons are activated, they could then reveal the top 5 to 10 threads in that category. You could have a button with the pull down menu for the latest threads in;

Fantasy Football - Latest Talk
College football - Latest Talk
Tix & Such - Latest Talk
Clubhouse - Latest Talk
Free Beer - Latest Talk

In that way, anyone coming here would see only football related threads in the latest talk column & get the impression this is a more football oriented site. Thru the easy pulldown buttons they could also then see & have access to the latest talk in the other 5 main forums.

Also using that method, you'd have easy access to not 10, but up to 60 of the latest threads being discussed.

VKG4LFE
11-01-2006, 07:08 PM
"singersp" wrote:


I was doing some more thinking about the latest talk column. For people coming to this site for the first time & first impressions, they see a lot of non-football related topics being discussed. They may just pass this site on by & go looking elsewhere for a site that is talking more football. These are probably the kinds of members we want to have here.

In the same way, people coming into this site for the first time may see a lot of chat room type topics & decide to join based on those topics thereby "breeding" that type of behavior.

With 6,000+ members I see the need for both types of threads, but do we need the non-football stuff in the latest talk?

Is it possible to list the top 10 latest football threads & in addition, add "pull down" buttons like those on the right side column under "Explore PurplePride"?

When those buttons are activated, they could then reveal the top 5 to 10 threads in that category. You could have a button with the pull down menu for the latest threads in;

Fantasy Football
College football
Tix & Such
Clubhouse
Free Beer

In that way, anyone coming here would see only football related threads in the latest talk column & get the impression this is a more football oriented site. Thru the easy pulldown buttons they could also then see & have access to the latest talk in the other 5 main forums.

Also using that method, you'd have easy access to not 10, but up to 60 of the latest threads being discussed.



Those are really good ideas there singer! We could've really used things like that when cajun was looking for a place to hang out, he may he gone to a different site!!! lol cajun!! ;)

cajunvike
11-01-2006, 07:14 PM
"singersp" wrote:


I was doing some more thinking about the latest talk column. For people coming to this site for the first time & first impressions, they see a lot of non-football related topics being discussed. They may just pass this site on by & go looking elsewhere for a site that is talking more football. These are probably the kinds of members we want to have here.

In the same way, people coming into this site for the first time may see a lot of chat room type topics & decide to join based on those topics thereby "breeding" that type of behavior.

With 6,000+ members I see the need for both types of threads, but do we need the non-football stuff in the latest talk?

Is it possible to list the top 10 latest football threads & in addition, add "pull down" buttons like those on the right side column under "Explore PurplePride"?

When those buttons are activated, they could then reveal the top 5 to 10 threads in that category. You could have a button with the pull down menu for the latest threads in;

Fantasy Football
College football
Tix & Such
Clubhouse
Free Beer

In that way, anyone coming here would see only football related threads in the latest talk column & get the impression this is a more football oriented site. Thru the easy pulldown buttons they could also then see & have access to the latest talk in the other 5 main forums.

Also using that method, you'd have easy access to not 10, but up to 60 of the latest threads being discussed.


GREAT IDEA, singer!!!

I knew that you had to be doing something productive with your free time instead of just surfing the net for pics of hot women!
:D

And as for you, VKG...at least I'm not with a Packer fan!!!
:D

VKG4LFE
11-01-2006, 07:37 PM
Yeah well......I really have no comeback........:(

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 06:31 AM
I will say that with the ammount of e-mails I get telling me a new member had joined the site is not hurting on attracting new people imo

singersp
11-02-2006, 07:40 AM
"Del" wrote:


I will say that with the ammount of e-mails I get telling me a new member had joined the site is not hurting on attracting new people imo


True, but you can't be sure of the number of people that see our latest talk list & pass on by either. You need to look at what kind of recent members is this site attracting. It's a tough thing to do unless a change is made & you have something to compare it to.

The topics in the top 10, except for the morning, tend to be made up of a majority of non-football related threads. Especially in the evening. Isn't that when we get the most "visitors"?

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 07:46 AM
I don't know I guess I look at the growing numbers, the large number of posters we have here anyway and say to myself something must be working.

I like to think the majority of people around here can navigate the site to find football information.

singersp
11-02-2006, 08:36 AM
"Del" wrote:


I don't know I guess I look at the growing numbers, the large number of posters we have here anyway and say to myself something must be working.

I like to think the majority of people around here can navigate the site to find football information.



I'd like to think that as well. Even amongst our current membership there will be many who will tell you they don't though. Many rely solely on the top 10 & that's to bad because they miss a lot. A simple poll will tell you the answers though.

I'm just going by my observations & posting my thoughts & ideas outloud as food for thought.

I'll just keep doing what I've always been doing.

Del Rio
11-02-2006, 08:43 AM
"singersp" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I don't know I guess I look at the growing numbers, the large number of posters we have here anyway and say to myself something must be working.

I like to think the majority of people around here can navigate the site to find football information.



I'd like to think that as well. Even amongst our current membership there will be many who will tell you they don't though. Many rely solely on the top 10 & that's to bad because they miss a lot. A simple poll will tell you the answers though.

I'm just going by my observations & posting my thoughts & ideas outloud as food for thought.

I'll just keep doing what I've always been doing.


I think your ideas are great, I was thinking outloud.....on the internet.....so...not outloud....but in text.

ultravikingfan
11-02-2006, 02:41 PM
"singersp" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I don't know I guess I look at the growing numbers, the large number of posters we have here anyway and say to myself something must be working.

I like to think the majority of people around here can navigate the site to find football information.



I'd like to think that as well. Even amongst our current membership there will be many who will tell you they don't though. Many rely solely on the top 10 & that's to bad because they miss a lot. A simple poll will tell you the answers though.

I'm just going by my observations & posting my thoughts & ideas outloud as food for thought.

I'll just keep doing what I've always been doing.


I never look at the top ten.
I comb every forum each time I get on.

Prophet
11-02-2006, 02:50 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I don't know I guess I look at the growing numbers, the large number of posters we have here anyway and say to myself something must be working.

I like to think the majority of people around here can navigate the site to find football information.



I'd like to think that as well. Even amongst our current membership there will be many who will tell you they don't though. Many rely solely on the top 10 & that's to bad because they miss a lot. A simple poll will tell you the answers though.

I'm just going by my observations & posting my thoughts & ideas outloud as food for thought.

I'll just keep doing what I've always been doing.


I never look at the top ten.
I comb every forum each time I get on.


I sign in and start at the bottom and work my way up to the Vikings forum.

Ltrey33
11-02-2006, 07:09 PM
"Acumen" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I don't know I guess I look at the growing numbers, the large number of posters we have here anyway and say to myself something must be working.

I like to think the majority of people around here can navigate the site to find football information.



I'd like to think that as well. Even amongst our current membership there will be many who will tell you they don't though. Many rely solely on the top 10 & that's to bad because they miss a lot. A simple poll will tell you the answers though.

I'm just going by my observations & posting my thoughts & ideas outloud as food for thought.

I'll just keep doing what I've always been doing.


I never look at the top ten.
I comb every forum each time I get on.


I sign in and start at the bottom and work my way up to the Vikings forum.



I'm more of a "latest talk" guy personally. I usuallly look at that and Show New Replies To Your Last Post.

cajunvike
11-02-2006, 07:37 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:


Yeah well......I really have no comeback........:(


Yeah...that's why your girl wins all of the Packers-Vikings debates in your house!
:D

singersp
11-02-2006, 07:59 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"singersp" wrote:


"Del" wrote:


I don't know I guess I look at the growing numbers, the large number of posters we have here anyway and say to myself something must be working.

I like to think the majority of people around here can navigate the site to find football information.




I'd like to think that as well. Even amongst our current membership there will be many who will tell you they don't though. Many rely solely on the top 10 & that's to bad because they miss a lot. A simple poll will tell you the answers though.

I'm just going by my observations & posting my thoughts & ideas outloud as food for thought.

I'll just keep doing what I've always been doing.


I never look at the top ten.
I comb every forum each time I get on.


Why???? If you set up your account to have the "Show unread posts since last visit" &
"Show new replies to your posts" option available to you, it will give you all the new threads, regardless of forum & all the threads that have had new replies since your last visit all in one list. Then you just look for the items on that list you want to check out. Once you look at a thread from that list, it disappears from the list until a new reply is added.

Using those, you don't have to look at the top 10 or search the forums. Everything is right there in that one managable list.

AngloVike
11-03-2006, 02:34 AM
"cajunvike" wrote:



And as for you, VKG...at least I'm not with a Packer fan!!!
:D

says the wannabe frog !


;D


but back on the serious stuff thats some good ideas there Singer. I agree that the latest talk should be kept to footbal related topics in order to attract the football minded visistors to want to stay. Once they get used to the site then they can start making better use of the "Show unread posts since last visit" &
"Show new replies to your posts" options.

midgensa
11-03-2006, 02:44 AM
You know I have not commented here, but have kept up and generally think the large group of us "bored with way too much time on our hands" folks have hit most of the things on the head. I think that I have drifted away a little more lately due to some of the youngins flooding the site, but as a whole I think everything is pretty swell.
I personally really like the idea of a dog pooh forum by the way ...
Start it with this post.

gregair13
11-03-2006, 12:41 PM
so what has been happening for the last bit. havent been posting as much. anything important/

VKG4LFE
11-09-2006, 07:53 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"VKG4LFE" wrote:


Yeah well......I really have no comeback........:(


Yeah...that's why your girl wins all of the Packers-Vikings debates in your house!
:D


On the contraty my friend. When it comes to sports she knows better (along with her dad and brother) that I know my sh!t and I am not to be argued against because 99% of the time I am right. Now, when it comes to other non-important things, she definitely wins those arguments!! lol

whackthepack
11-17-2006, 11:00 AM
This is off the topic of this thread but i didn't want to start a new thread just for this.


There is a poster that is going by the name of VikingsTw that has 3,600 posts, and I don't recognize the name at all.
Is it somebody that posted under a different name and has changed to this moniker?
Or am I getting Alzheimer's?

Take all the cheap shots you want!

cajunvike
11-17-2006, 11:08 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


This is off the topic of this thread but i didn't want to start a new thread just for this.


There is a poster that is going by the name of VikingsTw that has 3,600 posts, and I don't recognize the name at all.
Is it somebody that posted under a different name and has changed to this moniker?
Or am I getting Alzheimer's?

Take all the cheap shots you want!


Dr. Cajun's diagonis:
You have advanced Alzheimer's...Vikingstw just capitalized the T in his name...he has been here for quite awhile...although he took a little break from posting for awhile there.
:D

whackthepack
11-17-2006, 11:43 AM
"cajunvike" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


This is off the topic of this thread but i didn't want to start a new thread just for this.


There is a poster that is going by the name of VikingsTw that has 3,600 posts, and I don't recognize the name at all.
Is it somebody that posted under a different name and has changed to this moniker?
Or am I getting Alzheimer's?

Take all the cheap shots you want!


Dr. Cajun's diagonis:
You have advanced Alzheimer's...Vikingstw just capitalized the T in his name...he has been here for quite awhile...although he took a little break from posting for awhile there.
:D


Thanks Cajun

as soon as you mentioned that he capitalized the T everything feel into place.

cajunvike
11-17-2006, 12:16 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:


"cajunvike" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


This is off the topic of this thread but i didn't want to start a new thread just for this.


There is a poster that is going by the name of VikingsTw that has 3,600 posts, and I don't recognize the name at all.
Is it somebody that posted under a different name and has changed to this moniker?
Or am I getting Alzheimer's?

Take all the cheap shots you want!


Dr. Cajun's diagonis:
You have advanced Alzheimer's...Vikingstw just capitalized the T in his name...he has been here for quite awhile...although he took a little break from posting for awhile there.
:D


Thanks Cajun

as soon as you mentioned that he capitalized the T everything feel into place.


Too late...we are committing you to the Old Folks Home!!!
:D

Ltrey33
11-17-2006, 12:48 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:


This is off the topic of this thread but i didn't want to start a new thread just for this.


There is a poster that is going by the name of VikingsTw that has 3,600 posts, and I don't recognize the name at all.
Is it somebody that posted under a different name and has changed to this moniker?
Or am I getting Alzheimer's?

Take all the cheap shots you want!


Wow...I didn't know he had that many posts!

ultravikingfan
11-17-2006, 01:03 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:


This is off the topic of this thread but i didn't want to start a new thread just for this.


There is a poster that is going by the name of VikingsTw that has 3,600 posts, and I don't recognize the name at all.
Is it somebody that posted under a different name and has changed to this moniker?
Or am I getting Alzheimer's?

Take all the cheap shots you want!



He was here before me, just does not coming around a lot anymore.

He hammered me once as a newb.
;D