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jnhutchi
09-21-2006, 12:56 PM
Vikings Fans,

Below is an article that I wrote a little over a week ago for www.usavoice.org.
I thought you all might be interested in reading it.
I'm making the case that QB Brad Johnson deserves to be in the Hall of Fame once he retires.

Thanks,
James Hutchinson


After watching the Minnesota Vikings defeat the Washington Redskins 19 – 16 on Monday night, I have to ask the following question –


Is there a more under appreciated player in the NFL than Vikings quarterback Brad Johnson?



On Monday night in Washington, Johnson got his revenge on a Redskins team that unceremoniously cast him aside after the 2000 season.
Johnson completed 16 of 30 passes for 223 yards, 1 touchdown, and no interceptions against a Redskins defensive unit that was one of the best in the league last season.
Whenever Johnson faced a tough 3rd and long situation, he would come up with a beautiful pass for a 1st down, knocking the wind out of the Redskins’ sails and demoralizing the hostile Washington faithful.
In fact, Johnson was a remarkable 10 for 15 in 3rd down situations and would have had even more impressive stats if Vikings WR Troy Williamson hadn’t dropped 3 perfectly thrown passes.



It’s not like this performance was anything new for Johnson.
He has simply been the embodiment of cool, quiet efficiency throughout his career and Monday night was no exception.
Johnson’s impressive 66-43 career record as a starter is 3rd best among active quarterbacks with more than 50 starts.
Perhaps even more impressive, Johnson is the only QB in NFL history to complete over 60% of his passes for 10 straight seasons.
How can this guy be the 40th highest paid QB in the league?



Most people like me who follow the NFL were very surprised last season when the Vikings almost made the playoffs after a disastrous 1 – 5 start, especially after the love boat fiasco and the loss of star QB Dante Culpepper midway through the season to a severe knee injury.
If the Vikings could only win 1 or 2 games with an All-Pro like Culpepper at QB, how could they possibly do any better with backup QB Brad Johnson?
How foolish we all were.
Johnson led the Vikings to a 7 – 2 record during the rest of last season and they barely missed the playoffs.
You could make a strong case that Johnson should have been the 2005 NFL MVP.



The simple fact is that Johnson is a winner.
A humble, unflamboyant winner, but a winner nevertheless.
Johnson is an excellent game manager who takes calculated risks and makes very few mistakes.
A team with Johnson at QB is almost always in a position to win when the 4th quarter rolls around.
On the eve of his 38th birthday, Johnson is still one of the best QBs in the NFL.



The sportswriters who vote for Pro Football Hall of Fame induction should take a long, hard look at Johnson’s career.
He is definitely worthy of consideration, for some of the reasons already mentioned.
In addition, Johnson’s got the requisite Super Bowl ring, which he received after leading the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to a 48 – 21 dismantling of the Oakland Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII.
Johnson’s career stats compare very favorably to another future Hall of Famer, Green Bay QB Brett Favre.
No, Johnson isn’t a flashy gun-slinger like Favre and he doesn’t receive Favre’s adoration by the NFL Sunday morning talking heads.
Most sportswriters consider Favre a first ballot Hall of Famer and they can certainly make a very justifiable case.
Sportswriters love gaudy statistics, and Favre’s 53,785 career passing yards and 396 career touchdown passes certainly qualify, especially when compared to Johnson’s 26,021 career yards and 157 touchdown passes.



However, career passing yards and touchdown passes are probably two of the most misleading and overvalued statistics for a NFL quarterback.
Johnson only got to play in 9 games during the first 4 years of his career (during his first stint in Minnesota), which has definitely hurt his overall career production.
Favre only threw 4 passes his rookie season in Atlanta, but became a starter almost from the beginning when he got sent to Green Bay in his second season.
If Green Bay starting QB Don Majkowski hadn’t gotten hurt in the 3rd game of the 1992 season, who knows how many passing yards Favre would now have?
It certainly wouldn’t be as high as 53,785.
The fact is that there are often a lot of intangibles involved, like luck, when discussing a QB's career passing yards and touchdown passes.






Johnson certainly deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Brett Favre.
Johnson’s 60.5% career winning percentage is almost as impressive as Favre’s 64.2% (138 wins, 75 losses).
Johnson's career QB rating of 84.4 is almost as high as Favre's 85.9.
In addition, Johnson’s touchdown-to-intercept ratio (157 touchdowns, 102 interceptions – 1.53) is actually slightly better than Favre’s (396 touchdowns, 260 interceptions – 1.52).
Finally, Johnson's career completion percentage (61.8%) is better than Favre's (61.4%).
These are probably the 4 most important categories for measuring a quarterback's performance over a career and Johnson more than holds his own when compared to Favre.



Will Brad Johnson ever get the recognition and respect that he deserves as a great QB?
Probably not, at least not until he’s been out of the game for a few years.
Around the year 2020, perhaps a few old sportswriters will finally gain an appreciation for that Brad Johnson guy who calmly and proficiently led his teams to victories more often than not.
Maybe then Johnson’s bust will be on display in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Del Rio
09-21-2006, 12:59 PM
Absolutely not.

You need to change the game, or you need astronimical numbers. Both get you in for sure, one or the other your rolling the dice.

The HOF isn't for very solid football players it is for HOF football players. No way Brad Johnson gets into the HOF, perhaps a SB with the Vikings would help. If it ended now.....no way.

Sorry him being hurt is part of the package. One of the reason Favre has the numbers he does is his streak of playing through injury or not being injured at all. You can't say well TD's and Yards are misleading and if he wasn't hurt.......... and percentages are even more misleading then actual TD's and Yards....You throw four passes and complete three your have a 75% completion percentage, does that get you into the HOF?

Well written and a good read, but never going to happen.

Wiggles67
09-21-2006, 01:05 PM
:)

very very nice read and you make some very vaild points.
It will be interesting to see how the rest of the league views Brad when it comes to his time.
Honestly, I dont believe you will see him in HOF, but I do think that he deserves to be.

I have never see those stats he has compared to those of Farve.
That is impressive!
The biggest thing I see holding Johnson back are his sheer numbers his percentages are very good but his numbers arent that large.
157 TD's versus 396.
at that pace brad would have to play 30 years in the NFL to even get close to the numbers that Farve has put up.

SKOL
09-21-2006, 01:09 PM
I agree with Del Rio.
Johnson's name won't even come up unless he gets a SB ring with the Vikes.

Prophet
09-21-2006, 01:10 PM
Enjoyed your spiel, but my first reaction is that there is no way he would be in the HOF if he were to retire today.
If he won a few more SBs he would have a chance in a decade.

Gift
09-21-2006, 01:24 PM
I think it would cheapen the HOF.
Del Rio said it best.

ultravikingfan
09-21-2006, 03:36 PM
Wow, for such a long post I got a short answer:

No

PurplePeopleEaters
09-21-2006, 03:39 PM
"Del" wrote:


Absolutely not.

You need to change the game, or you need astronimical numbers. Both get you in for sure, one or the other your rolling the dice.

The HOF isn't for very solid football players it is for HOF football players. No way Brad Johnson gets into the HOF, perhaps a SB with the Vikings would help. If it ended now.....no way.

Sorry him being hurt is part of the package. One of the reason Favre has the numbers he does is his streak of playing through injury or not being injured at all. You can't say well TD's and Yards are misleading and if he wasn't hurt.......... and percentages are even more misleading then actual TD's and Yards....You throw four passes and complete three your have a 75% completion percentage, does that get you into the HOF?

Well written and a good read, but never going to happen.


I agree completely that as of now, he isn't in the hall of fame. If he wins another super bowl, more than likely he will be in the hall of fame. 2 super bowl wins with seperate teams makes a huge difference on a ballot.

As of now, no.

ejmat
09-21-2006, 04:02 PM
I think we all think the same way here.
I have always liked and always will like Brad.
It was very disturbing for me when we traded him to Wash.
As far as the way the HOF ballots are concerned at this time I would have to say no.
Not that he doesn't deserve it becasue I think stats are given heavy consideration.
I think BJ has the stats that matter.
But when it comes down to it that's not what everyone looks at.
Like you say, they look at TDs, yardage and how many games played.
We all know there are intangeables to the game but it's not how it is voted.
I don't think there are any questions whether or not Favre deserves to get in.
He's had a great career.

I do think if by some chance BJ can lead this team to the SB this outlook can all change.
1 SB is no reason to give someone the HOF status.
That would mean Trent Dilfer would get in.
But if he can lead a no name or superstar team to the promise land I would think people would have to give him careful consideration.

PurplePride80
09-21-2006, 04:11 PM
There's no doubt that Brad Johnson is under appreciated, but he's definatley not a hall of famer.

If Jim Marshall isn't in the hall of fame, there's no way in hell Brad Johnson will make it.

(unless he somehow wins another Superbowl, then he might have a SLIM chance)

JellyBean2144
09-21-2006, 04:19 PM
I love Brad, like a brother but HOF!!? NO!! He has had a pretty good career but nothing that really stands out. Yeah he has a Super Bowl ring, which is good, but the rest of the career is pretty quiet. Maybe if he wins a few more Super Bowlsm that might help him.

Tarkenator
09-21-2006, 05:55 PM
Yeah, I agree with most in that he wont get in on merit as of now.


If he were to get the Vikes to the dance and win this year, he might get looked at.
It's hard not to acknowledge two SB wins with two different teams but even then he has had a very vanilla career.

VKG4LFE
09-21-2006, 07:02 PM
I'm sorry, I like Brad but he's not a HOFer in my mind.

VikesfaninWis
09-21-2006, 07:10 PM
I don't think that Brad Johnson is a shoe in for the HOF, but I think he deserves to be considered for it.. The guy has one of the best completion percentages in NFL history.. He has alot less INT's then he does TD's.. He has also already won a SB.. Like I said, he shouldn't be a shoe in, but he should be considered..

Vikes_King
09-21-2006, 07:14 PM
the only way he'll get look at if he plays not only this year but probably next year behind the helm of the vikings, doing well in the playoffs each time.

i dont see him getting mentioned however.. he's a phenomonal player and leader, but it ends there

marshallvike
09-21-2006, 07:14 PM
"Tarkenator" wrote:


Yeah, I agree with most in that he wont get in on merit as of now.


If he were to get the Vikes to the dance and win this year, he might get looked at.
It's hard not to acknowledge two SB wins with two different teams but even then he has had a very vanilla career.


very unlikely to happen, but if he won a second s.b. with a second team he would HAVE to go in.

marcosMN
09-21-2006, 07:17 PM
Yeah. He should be on a ballot, but not yet a HOFer IMHO.

mr.woo
09-21-2006, 07:28 PM
uhh no... hes good...dependable..and remeberable but not great and definitly not HOF

VKG4LFE
09-21-2006, 08:58 PM
"marshallvike" wrote:


"Tarkenator" wrote:


Yeah, I agree with most in that he wont get in on merit as of now.


If he were to get the Vikes to the dance and win this year, he might get looked at.
It's hard not to acknowledge two SB wins with two different teams but even then he has had a very vanilla career.


very unlikely to happen, but if he won a second s.b. with a second team he would HAVE to go in.


A second sb would help. But I really don't know. He hasn't put up the numbers and the HOF is about numbers most of the time, unfortunately for some people.

marantzo
09-22-2006, 03:29 PM
As of today I don't think he'd even get considered. But as has been mentioned, if he took the Purple to a Superbowl and won, he'd definitely get considered. Or if he even took the Vikings deep into the playoffs for at least the next two years itg could put him on a ballot. That's if he were instrumental in the wins. One of the biggest accomplishments of his, for me, is that he has been successful on every team he has gone to. And so far, twice with the Vikings.

Purple Kool Aid
09-22-2006, 05:38 PM
I agree with eveyone that as of today he isn't even considered.

BUT...

if he were to win a 2nd Super Bowl this year, with a different team and winning it at 38 years old.
I think he would get consideration, but ultimately it would be tough for him to get in.

Prophet
09-22-2006, 05:59 PM
I would go as far as saying that even if he would win the SB this year and then retire he would not get in.
In his case his quiet plodding along as a consistent wandering QB during his career it will take two more SB wins for him to be considered or else something uncharacteristic like really standing out in something other than percentage of completions.
He has a long way to go to get into the HOF or to even be considered.


I am really happy that at this point in time he is the Vikings QB and that we had him signed when Daunte pulled his magical fiasco.
HOF?
That is a whole different game.

arrested_developer
09-23-2006, 12:28 PM
When you have a player that has a tough time staying with a team for more than a few years, then you know he shouldn't be a hall of famer. if the vikings didn't sign him a few years back, who knows if anyone would have went after him. in order for me to give him serious consideration, he would have had to been the one to lead us in '98 and at least make it to sb xxxiii. but one super bowl doesn't get you in. if it went that way, trent dilfer would make the hof a joke.